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as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal. Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made. King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!” Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
“no matter what, some adult is dating some child in lady and the tramp 2: scamps adventure” is a hell of a sentence to wake up to after passing out to a chunk of this
@@TemmiePlays if we were talking about real life dogs, I would agree with you, but these are fictional, sapient dogs created by a team of human writers who made the specific choice to include an adult/child relationship
Seems like some misogyny to me: the love interest is both young enough to get along with the the puppy and "mature enough" to date the adult dog. The writers didn't bother to consider if she was an adult or a puppy, only that she was "female"
@@WickedKatze I haven't seen the movie, but based on the clips Scamp seems "coming of age" age, which is like 14-15, so as long as the girl is like 17 and the doberman is no older than 21, its really not that bad.
Trust me, it only gets funnier when you've seen Tim Curry simultaneously voice his OWN Beast on Stories from My Childhood, a limited series of English-dubbed Russian cartoons that ran in 1998 (called Beauty & the Beast: The Tale of the Crimson Flower). Not only is it a testament to his immense talent, that he can play LITERAL polar opposite characters back-to-back and excel at both (his version of the Beast is one of my favorite depictions thus far), but it makes his anti-love campaign as Forte all the more hilariously (and unintentionally) ironic. 😆😉🌹 Example: Tim Curry as Forte during his villain song: 🎵"It's BLISS, to be alone!" 🎵 Tim Curry as the Beast to Stephen, the father of Anastasia (the Beauty): "I can live in loneliness no longer." (Followed up by seven other varied utterances of his crippling loneliness throughout the story. No joke, I counted).
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose I know you wrote this forever ago but I searched for it and someone uploaded it on RUclips! Thank you for this experience. Haha
What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
The most hilarious thing to me about The Little Mermaid sequel is that Sebastian says 'Ursula's crazy sister! ', which seems to me that he's implying that he didn't think Ursula was crazy.
is ursala really that crazy? she was cast out by triton just for practicing withcraft, if that happened to me id try and overthrow the throne too Edit: nvm I was high
@@420Kleiner I was reading your comment and thinking, “Mmm. Well, I kinda get what you’re saying.” Then I got to your edit and started dying laughing. I am _not_ high, so idk what to make of that.
@@chasescorner2902 Shockingly, I tried watching this movie recently and I can still recite nearly every word for word lol Little mermaid 2 was one of my absolute favorite disney movies when I was younger, but as a teen then adult, I was infactuated with horror movies.
I can't stop thinking about the "crazy" part. What does it mean? Are they implying that Ursula was the "sane" one in the family? Or do they have another sane sister, so this one is "the crazy one"? I have to know Disney!! Give me Ursula's family tree!
Tbf the love interest in the Notre Dame sequel is one of the very few people that isn't immediately repulsed by the hunchback. If I spent my life being verbally abused and someone came up to me making dad jokes I'd probably breakdown crying.
The first movie had a major tone problem that marred the moments where it totally nailed its heavy plot points. The sequel knows *exactly* what it’s about.
Honestly, I think someone who actually went through that would be shocked or confused by kindness towards them. They'd probably be distrusting and think it's some ploy to get something out of them. It's possible that kindness would be perceived as an attack and the recipient would reject them
"Can you just talk to the bear please? Can you just communicate with the bear for 5 seconds? You can talk to bears in this movie." is a fantastic line, and I think it should be mandatory in any movie in which you can, in fact, talk to bears.
The biggest issue I have with Ralph Breaks the Internet is that it completely disregards the premise of "going Turbo" and the dangers associated with any game that has that happen. It was treated as terrifying to the NPCs of Fix It Felix Jr. when it was assumed that Ralph was abandoning his game, but Vanellopes' decision is applauded and everybody is just happy for her. WTF?!
I will give the writers this- Ralph's game absolutely cannot work without him, but Sugar Rush still has like twelve other racers. People would notice her missing but they can just use someone else like they did before Ralph helped her defeat King Candy. But without Ralph, nothing gets wrecked. This IS explained in the sequel and makes sense, although I think the premise is bad from the ground up partly because it feels like an emotional retcon even if it technically makes sense so I will not defend it beyond that
The game surviving without her isn't the point. The point is, they're all completely indifferent to her dying. It says several times, "if you die outside your own game, you don't revive." So one death in her new game, and she's permanently dead. This was the entire emotional climax of the original movie, as Ralph was willing to face permanent death outside his game to get Vanellope to safety. Now we're supposed to forget about all that? The rules for the universe and thus the attitudes of the characters have instantly completely changed with no explanation. If Vanellope dies permanently, who cares, apparently.
@@bluedistortionsGoddammit that could've been used to actually validate Ralph's anxieties. Imagine finding out that your little sister or niece or whatever was considering running away to an extremely violent area where she could be permanently wiped from existence as opposed to staying in a perfectly safe sugar heaven that she's become bored of. It's not groundbreaking... but it's better than "This little girl belongs to me so I will break this game."
Ralph’s life in Wreck-it Ralph 1 was fucking miserable and when people invoked Turbo, they were essentially saying it was selfish to want a better life because this one guy did a bad thing years ago At the end, everyone understands why he left, they let all the neglected homeless guys into Ralph’s game and the real Turbo dies. So I guess ppl are slightly more lax about people following their dreams Don’t get me wrong though this movie fuckin blows
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
Ok, for Brother Bear 2, I feel like it’s important to be familiar with Native American/First Nations/Alaska Native stories to understand the marrying a bear thing. In the Long Ago time, animals were people and had interactions with humans as any human to another human would have. Animals had their own clans and villages, but with different powers specific to their species. So a human lady marrying a bear and then becoming one is not that weird in that context, as there are a lot of stories of similar stuff happening. It’s less about finding bears attractive as it is more loving each other and the bear thing is a non-issue.
I mean, the bear clan aspect is pretty specific, but isn’t Inter species relationships (often in a highly metaphorical sense) pretty universal in folklore? Animal wife is my favorite trope of all time (specifically, your wife has been a walrus this whole time aaaaand it’s time for her to go home)
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
I’m sorry, but Aladin doesn’t even come close to Babe the pig. Babe realizes how fucked up the farm is from the perspective of the animals and carves himself a single, individual niche to ensure his survival. He will watch every other animal, including future pigs, march to their death and do nothing for them. To make it worse, he’s basically the equivalent of a cop. His job is to enforce the farmers’ (the state) will over the animals (the working class). Fly and Rex (I think that’s what the dogs are called) at least have the excuse of being born into that role. Babe was once in the exact situation as the other animals and still joined the oppressors. Babe is the ultimate sellout.
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has" truer words have never been spoken I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
To this day I have no idea if when little joel says he "loves" something he actually means it or if he believes it is the worst thing he's ever seen cuz he seems to use it in both ways at any given time
I'm genuinely glad other people have this issue too. I often have trouble understanding sarcasm and irony, and although I love Joel's videos, I still occasionally have trouble parsing his intentions. Still top-tier content though
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
In these dark times Medium Joel is the only one brave enough to stand up and racpill the world on the FACTS the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear.
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.). Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now. But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect. The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility. I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible. It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful. Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great. But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
Honestly, one of my dreams is to find out which person in the Aladdin 2 writer's room said, "Iago needs TWO musical numbers." Unironically one of my heroes.
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing. Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
It’s pretty hilarious now that I realize brother bear 2 just wanted to do a shrek but didn’t realize the fact that “fairytale ogre” and “literal bear” are not interchangeable
I interpret the Wendi “I haven’t really changed” line completely differently. I think it just means that she hasn’t lost a childhood sense of wonder or kindness just because she’s also matured and grown up. It’s not that she hasn’t literally changed in meaningful and important ways but that the important things about her that their friendship were built upon aren’t gone and she’s still the same person Peter Pan became friends with.
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife. That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before. And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged. Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
About Aladdin King of Thieves, I actually believe Aladdin’s dad. The original Aladdin movie clearly showed a unfair distribution of wealth and power and he literally raided the royal family’s wedding. The people there were NOT innocent. They were the people responsible for upholding the social/economic hierarchy. I believe that Cassim is overall a good guy who is charge of a bunch of morally corrupt guys like Sa’luk.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised Joel so uncritically criticized Aladdin's dad for that. I mean, some innocent people probably did get hurt, but it's difficult not to.
At the same time, I thought that was the point of the character. He wasn't a good guy. Then through the film he learned that a life of stealing gold was empty, what mattered was his family, and he'd made a HUGE mistake abandoning them. Aladdin is the hero saving him, in that sense.
Omg right? I was only listening to the audio of this at work and I had to keep doing a doubletake. And every movie "review" was totally different in length so I could never tell when one was even close to being over lololol
Fake Big Joelcels seething. A true Big Joel stan like me picked up on the subtle nuances of his commentary and inflections so I could usually tell when he transitioned from one topic to another.
For stories like Beauty and the Beast one of the fundamental elements that people get wrong is that the Beast, aka the gruff jaded mean one, is the first person in the relationship to try and do better. He sees this girl just trying to be nice to him, not coming on romantically, but just showing him kindness and is able to recognize that his harshness is unwarranted. Then he decides to do better for her of his own volition (even if prompted by other characters), and when she sees his actual effort then she starts encouraging it and warming up to him. Sure they can have bumps along the way and old habits die hard, maybe he snaps at her or hurts her at some point, but the result should always be him being shocked and horrified at the result and needing to apologize and do better after. This is how a redemption story works, the character is jaded and mean but the kindness of someone else gets them to change themselves and be better. People see stories like that and then make the jaded mean one an actual asshole with no empathy. Then they make the romantic partner be the one to initiate romantic feelings for no reason other than “I think I can fix them” and endure endless mean actions from the asshole (often times framing the nice one as stupid or belittling them) until at some point the asshole decides they like them back, despite how annoying they find them. There’s no redemption or examination of the asshole’s behavior, and ultimately the message is “endure abuse and eventually they will love you back” which sucks and is actually toxic. Belle doesn’t have to love the Beast. When he shows he’s capable of being a good guy, when she actually sees him trying to do better, then she decides to reciprocate. She doesn’t even know about the curse or feel obligated to love him to save his life until he’s already sacrificed that for her. It’s a really wonderful enemies to lovers story and I hate how people twist it
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
The abrupt transitions make me feel like I'm seeing many Little Joels standing on each other's shoulders within a trenchcoat to pretend to be a Big Joel (who is also Mrs. Kronk).
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for. The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
The one big thing that could've made Cinderella III even better would be if the baker had more of a presence in the story besides just the end credits. The baker is adorable.
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories. However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
I hadn’t really seen the phrase “Ok wokelet” anywhere before but it lives in my mind rent free now just the PowerPoint spin into frame makes me laugh so hard
14:57 mushu’s change also devalues his whole arc in the first movie. he grows to care more about Mulan and her wellbeing then his position, becoming a true guardian and friend to her
I always thought Mowgli could talk to animals because he was raised by animals and learned they're language. And them speaking English is just to convey that Mowgli understands them in a way that we can also understand them.
56:10 fun fact, Pomp and Circumstance was used at the specific request of Michael Eisner, because he cried at his son's graduation. He originally wanted to make the short about all of the Disney princes and princesses walking down the line and showing off their kids. really. Animators all hated Pomp and Circumstance, and so when Eisner said "well it has to go somewhere!", they decided to pair it with their least favorite short idea.
I love how you had something nice to say about nearly each of the sequels and you had little things to appreciate about them (like little animation moments and cringey but cute dialogue). I feel like these days all movie reviews are snarky, sarcastic, and mean, shitting on every little nitpick.
Mulan in Mulan II: "But in my time, arranged marriage is illegal and looked down upon." Emperor: "Is that so? Magnifico! That's wonderful! I'm glad humanity has reached such a state. But you said you're from 1000 years in the future? Before you judge, consider the circumstances."
With just a small change they could have totally salvaged the idea! Just make Mulan's opposition to the practice something she recognizes is out of step with society - a personal conviction based on her own bad experience with matchmaking. Show her trying to be ok with it, trying to "do the right thing" by facilitating it, while watching the princesses and her soldier friends fall in love. Push on that conflict between duty/what society says is right and what your own morals say are right until it cracks, and Mulan "suddenly" turns outlaw, shepherding the three new couples to the only place they might be able to escape the Emperor's grasp: Mongolia.
The bell is cool in Hunchback. Not just aesthetically, but thematically. Just literally beauty on the inside. Doesn't have to be deep for a kids flick.
I loved An Extremely Goofy Movie because I saw it more as Goofy not being able to let go of Max or accepting that Max has his own life and independence now. It's what happens when you have a parent who has made their kid their entire personality, to the point where they have no life outside of taking care of them- so that theme might've subconsciously connected with me on a personal level. And there doesn't have to be something 'wrong' with Max for the story to work, bc it's about Goofy's character development and attachment issues this time. Why would the sequel repeat the character development they already tackled and resolved in the previous movie? It seems like a natural progression in Max and Goofy's more mature relationship, and while it may not be as beloved, this movie definitely has a special place in my heart.
This video is insane it's so surreal and incomprehensible. What is happening. it's perfect. no sequel review sounds like any other it feels like every one gives the exact feeling of watching the movie in distilled form. It really does feel like you have watched all of these disney sequels and you've become one with them. are you okay. thank you.
The "Tarzan and Jane" transition makes me laugh; his only comment about it was a ridiculously funny scene of Tarzan collecting diamonds for greedy miners, and then saying a blank black screen was his favorite scene from the movie.
You can never convince me that 31:51 was in the script from the beginning. They definitely told him to make a sheep noise and he went “le behhhh” and they said “yeah that’s good keep that”
I've been scrolling down reading the comments and it bothers me that no one has said anything of Joel's singing of Phil Collins and subsequent " *He fucking gets it, man. He-he's living it* " at 01:09:55 It killed me, man. He truly is living it.
Another odd thing about Cinderella 2 is that in every version of the story as far as I recall, her father is either a nobleman or a wealthy merchant. She spends several years forced to live as a servant by her evil stepmother, but she was born into wealth. She wouldn't be totally alienated by the behavior of the nobility even if she happened to disagree with it, but in this movie she's acting like a peasant who married into royalty.
Generally, if a movie is just a bunch of unconnected stories, it’s because they already tried to make a tv show but execs decided to not green light it. They’re not trying to segue into a show, they’re throwing together the studio’s garbage to try to recoup the money they already spent on it.
I feel like Mulan being against arranged marriages is pretty in character, considering the stress she went through in the first movie not fitting into expectations and the match-maker actively hating her, contrasted with the happiness she felt finding someone who loved her for who she is, without fitting into her traditional role
Sure but I’ve known people in analogous situations w similar reactions and she doesn’t act like them, she acts exactly like every white woman who finds out her foreign neighbor and her husband were set up by their parents and starts trying to emancipate her w Codmo magazines or some shit
I feel like it's also about how she can't accept that arranged marriages can work sometimes. That she doesn't believe that the girls can be happy when they're being married off
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
Joel, are you okay after this experience? You look like you've lived your whole life in a cave and have only known the world through shadows on the wall.
i HAVE actually seen all of the Tangled TV show and so i am obligated to report that it is one of the most insane freak viewing experiences ive ever had, Tangled the series is mostly a sea of the most baby of baby episode premises (there are multiple "animal mascots team up to save the day" episodes because they keep adding so many animal mascots) intermingled with an overarching narrative that is insane and thematically anti monarchy positioning the power imbalance of the role of princess as inherently harmful to any relationships an individual of that station might hold, and thats all well and good but what makes it truly freak fiction is that the higher ups are clearly breathing down the necks of the people making those parts because the show can never go all in on acknowledging what the show is about, so a villain will walk on screen, explain to Rapunzel that she is a horrible unempathetic freak who is blind to the wants and needs of the people she calls her friends and incapable of acknowledging the risk to their safety the social power she wielding over them is to their wellbeing, and with no rebuttal to the completely reasonable reading of the character based on the events of the show the villain will go "actually you dont need to listen to my scathing critique of you Rapunzel im actually just evil" and the show can never develop rapunzel further because shes a weird mascot character. on top of all of this the creator of the show seems almost unanimously hated by the staff from what ive seen and after making tangled the series he went to work at the daily wire to go make right wing propaganda. after completing the show for the first time i created 2 filler lists that cut out half of the episodes of the show so i could actually show it to people so theyd believe me when i talk about how weird it is and no one has noticed the missing episodes really because there is some TRUE filler in this thing, like one episode ends with them going down a dirt road, the next episode opens with them on a 4 episode arc where they are on a raft and crash land on an island and have an island adventure and then they show up in a port city after escaping the island AND THEN after that episode ends the next episode opens with them on the dirt road from 5 episodes prior everyone ive managed to get to watch up to episode 16 of season 1 however has been locked in for the full ride because that episode is completely unhinged and brings to the forefront a lot of the anti monarchy themes the show toys with across its run. i dont know if ive got a wider point that i can compact down into a single comment but i need anyone reading this to know of my burden as the tangled the series understander
my favorite part about tangled the series is that they gave rapunzel a hot and tortured retainer with whom she has a complicated and fraught relationship (romance novel) AND they gave eugene a trashy bestest childhood friend and gave them that big goofy musical number about how they're the bestest of friends and can never be separated in the episode with the evil plant (they have fucked like at least twice) and they still expect you to believe that this is a show that naturally leads to rapunzel and eugene getting married
I know I'm late but if you have the non-filler list still, PLEASE let me know what it is. my friend, quite a while ago, made me watch the entire series with her, and by the time we'd waded through all the boring filler, my mind was so numb that I didn't really absorb the batshit moments as much as I WANTED to. I've been mildly curious to rewatch but I do not want to get through the filler again lol
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah? in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back. she just effin dies, turns into seafoam. unda da sea indeed. ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
1:04:32 Lumiere was always meant to be a bit of a playboy, no? in Human Again he sings "I'll be cooking again, be good-looking again, with a mademoiselle on each arm, when I'm human again, only human again, poised and polished and gleaming with charm, I'll be courting again, chic and sporting again" & Mrs Potts responds "which should cause several husbands alarm"
@@Carlos-Mora It's a running gag in this movie that's meant to be a reference to the first movie's "Who's on First?" gag between Milo and Kida. {Kida: Tell me more about your companions. Your physician, he is called Cookie? Milo: No, that’s Sweet. Kida: What is? Milo: The doctor. He’s Sweet. Kida: Oh, he is kindly. Milo: No, no, no, that… that’s his name. Kida: His name is Kindly? Milo: No, Sweet. Well, I mean, he’s kindly, too. Kida: So all of your doctors are sweet and kindly? Milo: No. Well, l-I’m sure some are. Ours is, but that’s not a requirement. You’re missing the point. Kida: You are confusing me.} Man, this movie was so good...
I always felt like the short is fine, and pomp and circunstance is great, but together they just kind of become something highly dissonant, and they definetively needed some work around.
I've seen so many people mention how much they liked the romance between Anastasia and the baker, and in a vacuum I get it. But I could never, NEVER, get past that line Anastasia just casually lobs at Cinderella in that same episode. It's lived rent-free in my head for almost twenty years. It's such a punch to the face and the episode doesn't even notice.
Fun Fact, Djali the goat is actually a male, so depending on how you look at it the gargoyle in love with him is one of the first ever explicitly gay Disney characters!
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
I loved the Hercules series as a kid. My sister still sings Aphrodite's theme song whenever she makes a grand entrance into the living room or something.
My asexual romantic heart was so jazzed for a romance based solely on a persons’ being that I forgot the concept of attraction to bears existed and I am not happy Joel reminded me
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs. 10 / 10 great material.
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff. Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
Okay Bambi 2 is real good and I'm willing to fight about it. It's about mourning and life after loss, and about the great prince learning to be a deer/kid again. Also it actually looks like it had a budget and not like a great value version of the original
Give this man some credit for being one of the most people in the modern generation to not talking about The prince jumps out of the window scene during the Cinderella III part.
29:30 I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film. That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him! Spoiler warning: The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.
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as a hunchback of notre dame 2 stan/scholar i can't believe you left out how the giant bell is beautiful on the INSIDE as one of the great hunchback of notre dame 2 moments
La fidèle... 🔔
LINDSAYYYYYY
So deep…. Says a lot about society
Never saw the movie, did see the design in this video. Jewels inside a bell, bell would destroy the hell out of those and would sound like shit. 10/10 perfect metaphor
@@CHUCKLZLORD it’s the normal expectations and requirements of everyday life that will ultimately destroy the beauty within us all. And we all sound like shit. 😌
Quasimodo not getting the girl is well-considered in the og film. The first positive relationship he ever has is with Esmeralda - that’s not a healthy place to begin a relationship of equals. The films deliberately contrasts how he and Frollo vies Esmeralda - one sees her as a temptress devil, the other as a heavenly angel. Neither is her. Only Phoebus operates on her level and can ‘spar’ with her, literally. At a key moment, Frollo tells Esmeralda to love him or burn. Quasi, on the other hand, relinquishes his jealousy of Phoebus and saves Esmeralda with no expectation of romance. The end of the film focuses on him joining hr people of Paris as one of them, accepted as an equal.
Too many films offer women up as a means to ‘save’ men through romantic relationships. Or to give value to men who are otherwise ‘not valuable’. Getting the girl would’ve just reinforced that for Quasi. Instead, his growing maturity and compassion earned him acceptance and a rebirth of his very own. That’s so much better than a romance.
And also Madeline and him just mesh better personality wise, their senses of humor are remarkably similar for example
Yeah, totally agree. Esmerelda wasn't looking for a guy, she just wanted to be free. Letting her go was good writing. The girl from the sequel on the other had was very much shopping for a boyfriend.
I agree that it was the right way to go, but I also agree with Big Joel, if Quasimodo was an outcast for soley being a gypsy or something instead I don't imagine Disney would have went that route.
I absolutely 100% agree with this take, but I also understand, and hell, even agree with the disappointment of the ugly, disabled character not finding love. It isn't really something that happens particularly often in fiction so to see it not happen from the *one* company that really loves pairing up their protagonists ...? yeah, it does sting a wee bit. ultimately a good decision they didn't pair up quasi with esme, but still one that makes me go "huh, yeah, so when *will* they just let the ugly dude get the girl?" (or ugly girl get the guy, etc. etc.)
@@princeapoopoo5787 in media, but especially animation it seems we're lucky if they even depict an ugly (main) character
Ariel's mom having enough time to gasp in disbelief *twice* before her imminent and very contrived death is the funniest thing in the world
That’s my biggest gripe with death scenes like that. Either make their death totally unavoidable, or tragically accidental, don’t draw it out.
She was self-aware and knew she was in a prequel
Couldn't move. She knew she was in a canon moment.
@@megib901. Lol, she gets locked in place by the animators while thinking “shit, shit, shit why can’t I move?!”
Dude. Tens of merqueens die every year to slow boat crashes.
Cinderella 3 has the single best Disney clip ever made.
King: “I forbid you to take ONE MORE STEP down these stairs!”
Charming: “… Okay” _Jumps out the window next to him_
Cinderella 3 in general is a masterpiece
“Let’s beat her with it”
LEGEND
*”BUT THE TALKING MICE SAY SHES THE WRONG GIRL”*
too many iconic quotes:
"hold the trumpet!"
"LETS BEAT HER WITH IT"
"Go get em twinkle toes!"
"But the talking mice say shes the wrong girl!"
Joel looks like he watched the 34 sequels in a row and didn't take a nap before recording this video. Legend.
This is how almost all white dudes, age 27-28, look.
EDIT: I say this as a disheveled albeit ""charming"" white dude in his late 20s--so I am told.
Thats a very specific way of describing what Joel looks like most of the time. Very much on point though.
I literally don't know how he gets his hair like that.
Joel always looks like that, remember him thriving at the opera?
@@Gamerkat10 electric sockets.
“no matter what, some adult is dating some child in lady and the tramp 2: scamps adventure” is a hell of a sentence to wake up to after passing out to a chunk of this
considering dogs age 6 times faster than humans, idk . maybe we can't hold another species to our standards
@@TemmiePlays if we were talking about real life dogs, I would agree with you, but these are fictional, sapient dogs created by a team of human writers who made the specific choice to include an adult/child relationship
@@WickedKatze then it makes even less sense to lobby over a fictional, imaginary abomination
Seems like some misogyny to me: the love interest is both young enough to get along with the the puppy and "mature enough" to date the adult dog. The writers didn't bother to consider if she was an adult or a puppy, only that she was "female"
@@WickedKatze I haven't seen the movie, but based on the clips Scamp seems "coming of age" age, which is like 14-15, so as long as the girl is like 17 and the doberman is no older than 21, its really not that bad.
Hearing goth Tim Curry CGI piano saying "They can't fall in love if they're DEAD" absolutely sent me. Amazing line, 10/10.
Trust me, it only gets funnier when you've seen Tim Curry simultaneously voice his OWN Beast on Stories from My Childhood, a limited series of English-dubbed Russian cartoons that ran in 1998 (called Beauty & the Beast: The Tale of the Crimson Flower). Not only is it a testament to his immense talent, that he can play LITERAL polar opposite characters back-to-back and excel at both (his version of the Beast is one of my favorite depictions thus far), but it makes his anti-love campaign as Forte all the more hilariously (and unintentionally) ironic. 😆😉🌹
Example:
Tim Curry as Forte during his villain song: 🎵"It's BLISS, to be alone!" 🎵
Tim Curry as the Beast to Stephen, the father of Anastasia (the Beauty): "I can live in loneliness no longer." (Followed up by seven other varied utterances of his crippling loneliness throughout the story. No joke, I counted).
A true hero to the aro community
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose I know you wrote this forever ago but I searched for it and someone uploaded it on RUclips! Thank you for this experience. Haha
I also love Goth CGI Tim Curry piano, but can we also acknowledge that it's very clearly a pipe organ and not a piano?
SPACE!!!!!
Hearing the voice of Marge Simpson come out of anything other than Marge Simpson has shaken me to my very core.
time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo2:43
dude and then the character with patrick’s voice caught me so off guard
@@omnimonium time stamp?
@@Naka-wc3yo Just watch the bit on Lion King 1 & 1/2. It's marked on the video's timeline. That or just scan through it. It doesn't take THAT long.
We as a society need to hold Mushu accountable for his crimes
Time to make some mushu "pork"
I agree that he needs to be held accountable, but he is a freaky demon by circumstance and we should take that into consideration during sentencing.
I don't know who that was, but that was NOT Mushu!
Wasn't he only in this situation at all bc he was being punished? how tf do you punish a guy for his punishment
@@sigh824 death
Big Joel: Hates comic relief bird characters
Also Big Joel: Likes that there’s a whole movie about Iago
Because Iago is blessed. Gilbert Godfried’s touch puts him on a level that no other comic relief bird can reach
it's in his name. he's large. he contains multitudes.
Gilbert Gottfried was just that charismatic
What they said. Also Gilbert went on to be one of my favorite TV characters of all time, Digit from Cyberchase, also known as comic relief bird character 😂
Iago is the only one who was tolerable to be fair
Joel casually but confidently saying that Timon and Pumbaa "make love" really makes me laugh
The most hilarious thing to me about The Little Mermaid sequel is that Sebastian says 'Ursula's crazy sister! ', which seems to me that he's implying that he didn't think Ursula was crazy.
Yes I believe that is the intended joke they were going for.
That’s literally one of the only things people remember about that film
is ursala really that crazy? she was cast out by triton just for practicing withcraft, if that happened to me id try and overthrow the throne too
Edit: nvm I was high
@@420Kleiner I was reading your comment and thinking, “Mmm. Well, I kinda get what you’re saying.” Then I got to your edit and started dying laughing. I am _not_ high, so idk what to make of that.
@@chasescorner2902 Shockingly, I tried watching this movie recently and I can still recite nearly every word for word lol Little mermaid 2 was one of my absolute favorite disney movies when I was younger, but as a teen then adult, I was infactuated with horror movies.
I lost it when Sebastian yelled, “Ursula’s Crazy Sister!!” 😭😭😭😭 trying to just casually slip in the fact that she’s had a sister this whole time
I can't stop thinking about the "crazy" part. What does it mean? Are they implying that Ursula was the "sane" one in the family? Or do they have another sane sister, so this one is "the crazy one"? I have to know Disney!! Give me Ursula's family tree!
Little mermaid 2 is a bad fanfiction. Dialogue is so forced and cheesy.
should have gone with "Oh no! It's Ursula's crazy sister who definitely existed the whole time and we all knew about it!"
"somehow, Ursula's crazy sister returned"
i busted out laughing 😭
Tbf the love interest in the Notre Dame sequel is one of the very few people that isn't immediately repulsed by the hunchback. If I spent my life being verbally abused and someone came up to me making dad jokes I'd probably breakdown crying.
Ding!
The first movie had a major tone problem that marred the moments where it totally nailed its heavy plot points. The sequel knows *exactly* what it’s about.
@@panpolypuff I'm losing to a bird!
Honestly, I think someone who actually went through that would be shocked or confused by kindness towards them. They'd probably be distrusting and think it's some ploy to get something out of them. It's possible that kindness would be perceived as an attack and the recipient would reject them
@Watching EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH DUCKTALES!
"Can you just talk to the bear please? Can you just communicate with the bear for 5 seconds? You can talk to bears in this movie."
is a fantastic line, and I think it should be mandatory in any movie in which you can, in fact, talk to bears.
Cocaine bear would’ve been so interesting under this new law
The biggest issue I have with Ralph Breaks the Internet is that it completely disregards the premise of "going Turbo" and the dangers associated with any game that has that happen. It was treated as terrifying to the NPCs of Fix It Felix Jr. when it was assumed that Ralph was abandoning his game, but Vanellopes' decision is applauded and everybody is just happy for her. WTF?!
I will give the writers this- Ralph's game absolutely cannot work without him, but Sugar Rush still has like twelve other racers. People would notice her missing but they can just use someone else like they did before Ralph helped her defeat King Candy. But without Ralph, nothing gets wrecked. This IS explained in the sequel and makes sense, although I think the premise is bad from the ground up partly because it feels like an emotional retcon even if it technically makes sense so I will not defend it beyond that
Her game worked without her since the first one, remember that she wanted a car for even be able to compete.
The game surviving without her isn't the point. The point is, they're all completely indifferent to her dying. It says several times, "if you die outside your own game, you don't revive." So one death in her new game, and she's permanently dead.
This was the entire emotional climax of the original movie, as Ralph was willing to face permanent death outside his game to get Vanellope to safety.
Now we're supposed to forget about all that? The rules for the universe and thus the attitudes of the characters have instantly completely changed with no explanation. If Vanellope dies permanently, who cares, apparently.
@@bluedistortionsGoddammit that could've been used to actually validate Ralph's anxieties. Imagine finding out that your little sister or niece or whatever was considering running away to an extremely violent area where she could be permanently wiped from existence as opposed to staying in a perfectly safe sugar heaven that she's become bored of. It's not groundbreaking... but it's better than "This little girl belongs to me so I will break this game."
Ralph’s life in Wreck-it Ralph 1 was fucking miserable and when people invoked Turbo, they were essentially saying it was selfish to want a better life because this one guy did a bad thing years ago
At the end, everyone understands why he left, they let all the neglected homeless guys into Ralph’s game and the real Turbo dies. So I guess ppl are slightly more lax about people following their dreams
Don’t get me wrong though this movie fuckin blows
try as you might, old man, but you’ll never surpass little joel
little joel is the people's tiny hero!
"the future is now old man" - Little Joel to Big Joel
If you look behind the curtain i am sure little Joel and big Joel are friends. In fact I would love to see a Collab between the two of them.
@@titania396 their collab channel absolutely needs to be named "Average Joel"
this joel is simply too large to ever be considered legitimate
My favourite thing about the Hunchback sequel is that it actually makes a lot of sense that Quasimodo, after the drama of saving a girl from being burned at the stake by a horny old man who also killed his mother, really just wants an average girl to vibe with.
One of the most natural, down to earth romances Disney has ever made. Too bad the movie it was attached to is so sub par.
Ok, for Brother Bear 2, I feel like it’s important to be familiar with Native American/First Nations/Alaska Native stories to understand the marrying a bear thing.
In the Long Ago time, animals were people and had interactions with humans as any human to another human would have. Animals had their own clans and villages, but with different powers specific to their species.
So a human lady marrying a bear and then becoming one is not that weird in that context, as there are a lot of stories of similar stuff happening. It’s less about finding bears attractive as it is more loving each other and the bear thing is a non-issue.
I mean, the bear clan aspect is pretty specific, but isn’t Inter species relationships (often in a highly metaphorical sense) pretty universal in folklore? Animal wife is my favorite trope of all time (specifically, your wife has been a walrus this whole time aaaaand it’s time for her to go home)
I can only speak from my knowledge of Native stories and those traditions.
@@kinodzeedzayou could have a sense of humor about it though lol
Hey, well said, amazing context, thank you.
Appreciate your additional info - thanks!
Disney is a bunch of cowards for not doing the actual 101 Dalmatians sequel, which is about dogs becoming sentient after humanity wipes itself out, and then they fight aliens in another dimension... or something. I don't remember the particulars, but it's absolutely insane what that author thought a sequel to a book about two dogs and a bunch of puppies should be about.
Well, to their credit, they did adapt the batshit sequel to _The Brave Little Toaster._
Oh wow, I just read the summary on Wikipedia. I had no idea.
That’s batshit! From a wholesome story to…the sequel, wtf was the writer on?
dogs are sentient. I think you mean as intelligent as humans
You call ;l them coward when you hide your face and write behind your keyboard
What do you mean "Aladdin is innocent"? He's married to the Sultan's daughter and he does nothing to help the poor! He's like the epitome of a class traitor.
Oh, come on. We don't have to turn everything into Discourse.
@@LimeyLassen We don't have to take every comment seriously either.
I’m sorry, but Aladin doesn’t even come close to Babe the pig. Babe realizes how fucked up the farm is from the perspective of the animals and carves himself a single, individual niche to ensure his survival. He will watch every other animal, including future pigs, march to their death and do nothing for them.
To make it worse, he’s basically the equivalent of a cop. His job is to enforce the farmers’ (the state) will over the animals (the working class). Fly and Rex (I think that’s what the dogs are called) at least have the excuse of being born into that role. Babe was once in the exact situation as the other animals and still joined the oppressors.
Babe is the ultimate sellout.
@@washada but actual cops also enforce important and good laws too, like the ones forbidding people from literally murdering each other?
So Babe is worse than actual cops. His job is basically to manage the animals/keep them alive long enough for them to be profitable to kill.
Did you know, Walt Disney had a rule that he'd only ever want 34 sequels to be made for his moves, look up Walt Disney rule 34 for more information
Hahaha good one
Nice try buddy but everyone knows what happens when you put "rule" and "34" together
I was searching for it but I can’t find it. Also I ran out of tissues for some reason.
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Do you know why Irish bean soup has exactly 239 beans in it? [In extremely Irish voice] _Because one more would be too farty!_
The phrase "Flounder is an otaku now" is going to haunt me for the rest of my life, I can feel it.
It was a nightmare of a line for sure
"a lilo and stitch movie is good, proportionnal to how much lilo it has"
truer words have never been spoken
I love lilo and stitch, myself, but I have to agree that lilo is the reason you care about stitch
Without Lilo, Stitch is just a feral quasi-sentient monstrosity hellbent on destruction after all.
@@Schemilixno that's just a cat and the Internet loves cats.
@@fkrkf True, though cats don't tend to car jack. Yet.
@@Schemilix you hadn't met my childhood cat Mimi before her murder, clearly. She loved hiding in the car and taking over the dashboard at the least convenient times.
@@IanDresarie I'm sorry Mimi died, though I have to say with the context, i briefly thought she commited a murder of a human and did time for it so you haven't seen her since...
To this day I have no idea if when little joel says he "loves" something he actually means it or if he believes it is the worst thing he's ever seen cuz he seems to use it in both ways at any given time
An explorer in the further realms of experience, haha; to be moved to great feeling is, itself, fun
actually this is Big Joel
@@harrisonbrand8985big joel is just his RUclipsr name, little joel is his real name
I'm genuinely glad other people have this issue too. I often have trouble understanding sarcasm and irony, and although I love Joel's videos, I still occasionally have trouble parsing his intentions. Still top-tier content though
love isn't rational.
"would you still love me if I turned into a bear?" is a question no one asked but Brother Bear 2 sought to answer
Brave
@@PodreyJenkin138 different type of love.
@@PodreyJenkin138 Merobiba
Baldur’s Gate 3
Joel looks like he finally regained consciousness from a 3 day acid trip and this video is the recording of him recounting his visions like a ancient prophet
Lion King 2: Simbas Pride includes arguably the best song in a Disney sequel: "Not One of Us". If you ever felt like an outcast yourself, that one hits differently.
Oh yeah, that song slaps. Lullaby is also a dark banger, and Zira has always terrified me more than Scar. The power of hate hits harder than the power of envy.
not one of us has been stuck in my head since i was eleven years old
Boo hoo another loner on RUclips who thinks he’s special because he’s a loner
I love how Joel says random crap like how fighting raccoons is bad because they’re good guys and we’re just supposed to accept that
That’s not random crap at all that’s raccoon facts.
Don't slander raccoons.
Then you watch guardians 3
is he wrong tho?
In these dark times Medium Joel is the only one brave enough to stand up and racpill the world on the FACTS the mainstream media doesn't want you to hear.
Mulan would understand the nuances of a political marriage. She was vying for an arrangement in the beginning to honor her family. I think it'd be a better movie if SHANG was the one that was uneasy with the concept. Shang did think less of Mulan as a misogynist, so did the other guys it'd be more meaningful if he was the one who now, even presented by dainty and obedient princesses, is concerned for their autonomy. It would both show us his growth, and give us an interesting arc. I'm not sure how you'd fully justify either of them thinking that Defecting on a mission that would avoid a war though. The ending is goofy, though that bit about Mulan taking the place of the princesses was good.
o.o
Right? Hell, imagine Mulan actually being the voice in favor of the arranged marriage, not because she thinks it's some inherently good thing, but because it's *practical*. They've both been to war, like hell Mulan's going to let anyone else go through what she and Shang both did, or let any other villages get burned down like that one she and her comrades saw.
This is a great idea, but it's also a very 2010's 2020's idea. 2004 wasn't ready for a Disney film with even that level of nuance about feminism (women enforcing it, men also being trapped into marriages they aren't happy with ect.).
Hell, I don't think Disney is even ready for that now.
But damn if this comment doesn't make me want a feminist historical fiction inspired by Mulan (all versions) and Mulan 2 (Disney's) but aimed at adults. Complete with foot binding and all the other horrors of being a woman in that culture and time included. Preferably aimed at a Chinese audience but including a cultural explanation voice over so I (an ethically and culturally british gal) don't miss the all nuance. They could even include a subplot about Mulan being used as a propaganda tool to get men to enlist to reference the original stories purpose.
@Albinojackrussel Idk, the original Mulan was already ahead on this aspect.
The idea that they sing a song about a "girl worth fighting for" thinking of wives who will serve them, then the song stops to reveal a destroyed village, where Mulan picks up a doll reminding us of the little girl in the beginning. That shit was WILD for a movie in its time, acknowledging not only the aggressive sexism of a man like the Emperor's advisor or whatever that dude is, but also the passive misogyny of protecting a woman for what she provides, ignoring the inherent value of her as a person even when she isn't a romantic possibility.
I think someone who truly loved Mulan, and understood it, could have arrived at this theme even in the early 2000s when this sequel was made given the leap of progressiveness they were capable of when writing the original. It's plausible.
It's also plausible I read into it too much and it was incidental that sequence went as it did 😂😂😂
maybe if they'd actually shown the men they were supposed to be marrying and depcited them as kinda scummy? that'd be a decent reason to be like "okay, this shouldn't go ahead"
Okay. "A prince does not 'woo hoo'." may be one of my favorite things I've ever heard Sir Patrick Stewart say.
I’m not sure the scene with Wendy and Peter was supposed to be her “placating” him. I think she meant that at her core, she was still fundamentally the same, even if she’s grown up. A caring, kind, responsible, and hopeful woman, just as she was in her youth, even if she has a different outlook and responsibilities in life.
Glad to see at least 43 other people with basic media literacy...
I feel like it clashes directly with the concept of the first film
Doesn’t he literally say he’s not sure if the movie notices that
"They CAN'T fall in love if they're D E A D " genuinely made me laugh for a full minute
as a diehard Beauty and the Beast fan, Belle's Enchanted Christmas is the BEST fanon and easily the best way to get me to laugh. ESPECIALLY this line.
Goth cgi Tim curry piano is my favorite character description
I too cracked tf up at that. Amazing delivery as always.
Tim Curry is a national treasure.
Goth CGI Tim Curry Piano is the 8th wonder of the world.
I used to watch the hell out of this movie, love it
I love how joel looks increasingly unhinged, and this is gonna go on for an hour!? I'm ready
But… but… he already started quite unhinged D:
He looks out of control
He looks like a tumbleweed
It's great, because he looks how I feel.
looks like he is one 'letter from the wife bearing bad news' away from digging up the crate of whisky he buried on the island.... somewhere... if he can just remember where...
I think it's fine that Quasimodo didn't end up with Esmeralda at the end of the first Notre Dame film. His conflict was never "I want to be loved by a woman", it was "I want to be accepted by other people, at least for a day." And in pursuing that goal, he not only gets accepted by the public but learns to love himself by the end of the film. And now that he loves himself, he's ready to be in a romantic relationship in the sequel. I find that beautiful.
Also, I love the dialogue between Quasi and Madellaine. It reminds me of the silly things me and my girlfriend say to each other to makes each other laugh.
I agree that it's fine in the context of the movie, in fact from that perspectice it's good even. Quasimodo directly contrasts with Frollo, who feels entitled to Esmeralda's love. It's great.
But looking at the whole Disney catalogue it is suspicious that for their one disabled character they had to write it in a way where he doesn't get a romantic partner at the end.
@@petermazug7704in the original story Esmeralda is in love with Cpt. Phoebus, that's probably why, although I can't REALLY speak as to why THoND doesn't follow the traditional Disney method
Honestly, one of my dreams is to find out which person in the Aladdin 2 writer's room said, "Iago needs TWO musical numbers." Unironically one of my heroes.
I've never seen this creator before. All I see is that he watched all 34 Disney sequels and that his hair is wild. I'm watching this.
Welcome to the Joel club
Same- and it didn't disappoint!
He’s Like That
I reccomend you watch some of his other stuff, including the second channel
welcome to big joel
I 100%, no joke, owe my current career to Lion King 1 1/2. The special features on the DVD featured a “virtual safari” where you got in a little wildebeest ride vehicle and went through the story of the lion king as a theme park ride, except things went wrong. I vividly remember a scene where you enter a dark room and hear the hyenas laughing and see their eyes in the dark, then the work lights blink on and you see the eyes are just lights on sticks. I thought that was the coolest thing.
Anyways, I work in lighting in themed entertainment now.
that sounds like the exact opposite of one of my favorite scary-movie tropes, which is when you get just a split-second glance of the monster or scary thing before being left in the dark with that knowledge
I thought this was a false memory I'm glad it's real
holy shit! nice
I love seeing comments like these, what a great formative memory. Thank you for sharing!
thank you for unlocking that childhood trauma in me
The Disney sequels transformed him into a Shel Silverstein drawing
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I'm sorry Joel but the pause followed by "why would someone steal a glass case" was hilarious
I like how Joel just decided to talk about these movies in a completely random order with no segways between them
I love every time he does really in depth about a particular movie he likes and then in the next sentence is talking about some other random garbage movie.
More creators should feel no obligation to give creative diarrhea the time for exposition. This is the kind of analysis served sloppy-style that is deserved
I also like how many times he says self contradicting statements about how this movie is the worst, this is the best, this is the only S tier, this is the only Disney sequel that justifies its existence, etc etc when I'm pretty sure he's said that before, possibly multiple times
It honestly feels like he started ranting at one of his friends about this, stopped midsentence and said 'Wait,.should I be filming this? I should film this.' and just left his friend standing there without another word, for them to resume their life.
For a bit I thought it was alphabetical, since he started with Atlantis...but it was not.
It’s pretty hilarious now that I realize brother bear 2 just wanted to do a shrek but didn’t realize the fact that “fairytale ogre” and “literal bear” are not interchangeable
The girl is just a furry.
@@thesquaremonger You missed an "r" there and it makes it even more hilarious.
NO but "Boys boys you're both pretty. WE'LL ALL GO" is a BOSS move
Athena's death was quite literally the most avoidable death in all of cinema
I interpret the Wendi “I haven’t really changed” line completely differently. I think it just means that she hasn’t lost a childhood sense of wonder or kindness just because she’s also matured and grown up. It’s not that she hasn’t literally changed in meaningful and important ways but that the important things about her that their friendship were built upon aren’t gone and she’s still the same person Peter Pan became friends with.
oh but like sorry I really love your interpretation too I don't think I got that across
I think your interpretation is the clear intent of the scene 😂 You're literally correct.
@Fried Rice Okay, deleted my annoyed replies, but that's obviously not what I meant, come on.
@@xanderguyer7512 no, I interpret your comment to say you don't like movies very much and that's literally correct
100% agree with this interpretation I really think big Joel goofed it this time. That's why little Joel is much better and smarter.
Cinderella 3 is unironically my favorite Disney sequel because of the scene where the prince jumps out the window. I can't believe you didn't show it.
It would just be redundant since the internet has already memed the hell out of it
@@morbidsearch I’ve never seen it
Thanks, I just looked it up
For me it's also the best Cinderella
@@morbidsearch it’s not near as big a meme as it should be.
genuinely surprised to learn that folks saw Ralph as Vanellope's father figure, Ralph reads way more as a brother or even an older cousin character imo
Until the end where he's making slow motion goo goo eyes at her, and then they're going on double dates with Fix it and his wife.
That aspect of the second movie seems realistic, that she would get annoyed at how he keeps trying to create an emotional closeness she's not interested in, so she wants to get away, although not permanently, as he was a good friend before.
And... he's 30, she's 6. It's pretty weird to want to hang out and confide in a kid when you're almost middle aged.
Btw I didn't catch any of this when I saw the movie when it came out. It wasn't until I watched it 10+ years later with my kids that I realized Ralph, despite meaning well, is pretty effed up and needs therapy.
@@bluedistortions...sorry what? I had to rewatch the ending to double check this, but there's no double dates or goo-goo eyes.
About Aladdin King of Thieves, I actually believe Aladdin’s dad. The original Aladdin movie clearly showed a unfair distribution of wealth and power and he literally raided the royal family’s wedding. The people there were NOT innocent. They were the people responsible for upholding the social/economic hierarchy. I believe that Cassim is overall a good guy who is charge of a bunch of morally corrupt guys like Sa’luk.
Aladdin’s dad is basically Arab Robin Hood.
Yeah, I am a bit surprised Joel so uncritically criticized Aladdin's dad for that. I mean, some innocent people probably did get hurt, but it's difficult not to.
At the same time, I thought that was the point of the character. He wasn't a good guy. Then through the film he learned that a life of stealing gold was empty, what mattered was his family, and he'd made a HUGE mistake abandoning them. Aladdin is the hero saving him, in that sense.
@@MrGksarathy99% sure it was a vibe based joke
Whenever I say Aladdin's dad was hot as hell no one ever knows what I'm talking about. Thank you for this.
I was going to post the same thing, lol! I felt so seen when he said that.
Aladdin's dad is fine af
@@prophetofbara1214 finally found my people 🤣
fr he's exactly what I need in a man
obsessed with the way you transition from movie to movie without so much as a pause between sentences
Yeah I wasn’t paying attention and was taken aback by some of the transactions like, “wait, when did he start talking about this?”
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Omg right? I was only listening to the audio of this at work and I had to keep doing a doubletake. And every movie "review" was totally different in length so I could never tell when one was even close to being over lololol
Fake Big Joelcels seething. A true Big Joel stan like me picked up on the subtle nuances of his commentary and inflections so I could usually tell when he transitioned from one topic to another.
Wait you don’t consider Iago a goofy comic relief character?
For stories like Beauty and the Beast one of the fundamental elements that people get wrong is that the Beast, aka the gruff jaded mean one, is the first person in the relationship to try and do better. He sees this girl just trying to be nice to him, not coming on romantically, but just showing him kindness and is able to recognize that his harshness is unwarranted. Then he decides to do better for her of his own volition (even if prompted by other characters), and when she sees his actual effort then she starts encouraging it and warming up to him. Sure they can have bumps along the way and old habits die hard, maybe he snaps at her or hurts her at some point, but the result should always be him being shocked and horrified at the result and needing to apologize and do better after. This is how a redemption story works, the character is jaded and mean but the kindness of someone else gets them to change themselves and be better.
People see stories like that and then make the jaded mean one an actual asshole with no empathy. Then they make the romantic partner be the one to initiate romantic feelings for no reason other than “I think I can fix them” and endure endless mean actions from the asshole (often times framing the nice one as stupid or belittling them) until at some point the asshole decides they like them back, despite how annoying they find them. There’s no redemption or examination of the asshole’s behavior, and ultimately the message is “endure abuse and eventually they will love you back” which sucks and is actually toxic.
Belle doesn’t have to love the Beast. When he shows he’s capable of being a good guy, when she actually sees him trying to do better, then she decides to reciprocate. She doesn’t even know about the curse or feel obligated to love him to save his life until he’s already sacrificed that for her. It’s a really wonderful enemies to lovers story and I hate how people twist it
the amount of adrenaline that courses through my veins every time someone talks about the Peter Pan sequel is enough to kill a horse
it's my favorite Disney movie
I gotta mentally prepare myself every time a Return to Neverland review pops up because they either just don't get it or they just disrespect it because it's a Disney sequel 😭 I'm a Return to Neverland defender.
i was crying while he was talking about it and he didnt even like it aksjfls
2:48 Watching Pumbaa repeatedly encircle his bed was one of the most powerful psychological experiences I've ever been through
The abrupt transitions make me feel like I'm seeing many Little Joels standing on each other's shoulders within a trenchcoat to pretend to be a Big Joel (who is also Mrs. Kronk).
Underrated comment fr
I think you may be overlooking stuff with the goofy movie sequel. The original was about Max and his dad fixing and reestablishing their relationship after what's heavily implied to be the death of Goofy's wife/Max's mother. It's never said out loud or directly addressed, but that is what the movie is going for.
The sequel is about Goofy needing now to not only allow Max to grow up, but also for himself to finally move on. It is why he has a love interest in the film. It's more than Goofy getting past empty nest syndrome but to get to a point where he can rediscover what it means to be himself, and not just Max's dad.
The real question is: was Goofy's wife Clarabelle the cow?
@@fkrkf I hope so.
The one big thing that could've made Cinderella III even better would be if the baker had more of a presence in the story besides just the end credits. The baker is adorable.
Agree!😊
The fearless vision of this man to forego timestamps. We are supposed to watch this chronologically in one sitting as he intended
This is a director’s cut
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
It is a test of endurance. Not for the faint of heart.
As Scorsese would have wanted
Who is craving like the review of JUST the Cinderella sequels and is sitting here like "Goddammit Joel, you seriously not gonna give me the timestamps so I don't have to sit through all this BS?!"
Bambi II's redeeming quality is that they paid Sir Patrick Stewart to say "A prince does not woo. Hoo."
"A prince does not woo hoo."
--Gurney Halleck
And they made him super hot, which helps a lot
I was about to get all up in arms about how he calls the tuba at 1:04:42 a French horn but, like, a tuba is a horn. And they are in France.
The "Kronk's eggs property of Kronk do not touch except for Kronk" bit is one of my favorite jokes from a Disney movie
I'm so glad Joel latched on to the "Ursula's Crazy Sister" line because its been seared in my brain for over a decade. I laughed so hard during the hunchback 2 portion of the video
Real ones remember lindsay Ellis’s Disney sequels video from ten years ago.
It's stuck in my head too but I can't figure out why. Is it because it's exposition basically saying: "Sudden 2nd ursula! She's like ursula but crazy and we only remembered her just now! That's what we're doing this movie!"
@@codyxvasco592 that's exactly it! It's somehow both the laziest and most efficient explanation of a character ever. Also, I have to wonder, if she's Ursula's crazy sister, then do they consider Ursula to be....sane? Sea witch Ursula? Whole garden of condemned souls Ursula? She was the normal one in the family?
Its a minor trend in sequel media for Disney and once you notice its kind of funny. Because you also have Kovu, Scar's Heir, and Mozenwrath, Jafar Jr.
@Will N Its really sad that Mozenwrath's voice actor unalived himself. I always enjoyed the character when I watched the old Aladdin TV series as a child, and made an effort to watch the ones that he was in.
You're right about the unmistakable vibe of Atlantis 2. It's not actually a promo for a TV show - it's the scrapped carcass of one! They started making the show, the original movie never quite performed, and they decided they'd slightly restructure and finish up the first three episodes and call it a sequel, so they could get at least SOME money out of their investment in the show. The rough edges are obvious and messy and exactly the kind of disaster you'd expect from its production story.
The scrapped TV show was to be titled _Team Atlantis._ Among the episodes scripted and voiced (but not animated) is a _Gargoyles_ crossover, with Marina Sirtis reprising her role as Demona.
@@davidlevy706 I hadn't heard about that! That's hilarious, and as a fan of both franchises, I'm sad we all missed out on something that would have been equal parts glorious and freaking goofy.
In a more perfect world, an Atlantis TV series would be a great opportunity to tell stories from different mythologies and expose kids to different cultures and their histories.
However, I think that if the series happend in reality, the actual Disney would not have delt with the premise with the care and tact it would need to not turn into a cringefest though.
this hjappened to star wars too, didn't it
I hadn’t really seen the phrase “Ok wokelet” anywhere before but it lives in my mind rent free now just the PowerPoint spin into frame makes me laugh so hard
14:57 mushu’s change also devalues his whole arc in the first movie. he grows to care more about Mulan and her wellbeing then his position, becoming a true guardian and friend to her
I always thought Mowgli could talk to animals because he was raised by animals and learned they're language. And them speaking English is just to convey that Mowgli understands them in a way that we can also understand them.
Nope. Bears are just little guys we can talk to
@@Paratet jellybean is right bc the humans don't understand Mowgli in the original he's just a savage or something
That was your mistake, applying consistent logic across two movies in the same setting. Shame!
you put lightyears more thought into this than the writers did
@@Paratet just little big guys
56:10 fun fact, Pomp and Circumstance was used at the specific request of Michael Eisner, because he cried at his son's graduation. He originally wanted to make the short about all of the Disney princes and princesses walking down the line and showing off their kids. really.
Animators all hated Pomp and Circumstance, and so when Eisner said "well it has to go somewhere!", they decided to pair it with their least favorite short idea.
God, there are so many stories of studio exec who think they're artists because they own an art company. The ego tripping, it's painful to watch.
last i remember, i thought the sequence depicted the princesses as pregnant wives
Least bizarre Michael Eisner idea
Well, thank you for sharing the story anyway. I am glad people have a chance to know what the animators were forced to do.
I love how you had something nice to say about nearly each of the sequels and you had little things to appreciate about them (like little animation moments and cringey but cute dialogue). I feel like these days all movie reviews are snarky, sarcastic, and mean, shitting on every little nitpick.
Mulan in Mulan II: "But in my time, arranged marriage is illegal and looked down upon."
Emperor: "Is that so? Magnifico! That's wonderful! I'm glad humanity has reached such a state. But you said you're from 1000 years in the future? Before you judge, consider the circumstances."
"being arranged married is better than being dead, no?"- Emperor of China
With just a small change they could have totally salvaged the idea! Just make Mulan's opposition to the practice something she recognizes is out of step with society - a personal conviction based on her own bad experience with matchmaking. Show her trying to be ok with it, trying to "do the right thing" by facilitating it, while watching the princesses and her soldier friends fall in love. Push on that conflict between duty/what society says is right and what your own morals say are right until it cracks, and Mulan "suddenly" turns outlaw, shepherding the three new couples to the only place they might be able to escape the Emperor's grasp: Mongolia.
Don't you understand, Mulan? They CANT fall in love, if they're DEAD!!!
The emperor did not INVENT arranged marriages
Thank you for reminding me of that banger of a quote.
Joel's tone of voice makes everything he says impossible for me to tell if its genuine or not, and I like it that way
This comment is also improved by reading it in Joel's voice!
Yes
The bell is cool in Hunchback. Not just aesthetically, but thematically. Just literally beauty on the inside. Doesn't have to be deep for a kids flick.
I loved An Extremely Goofy Movie because I saw it more as Goofy not being able to let go of Max or accepting that Max has his own life and independence now. It's what happens when you have a parent who has made their kid their entire personality, to the point where they have no life outside of taking care of them- so that theme might've subconsciously connected with me on a personal level. And there doesn't have to be something 'wrong' with Max for the story to work, bc it's about Goofy's character development and attachment issues this time. Why would the sequel repeat the character development they already tackled and resolved in the previous movie? It seems like a natural progression in Max and Goofy's more mature relationship, and while it may not be as beloved, this movie definitely has a special place in my heart.
This video is insane it's so surreal and incomprehensible. What is happening. it's perfect. no sequel review sounds like any other it feels like every one gives the exact feeling of watching the movie in distilled form. It really does feel like you have watched all of these disney sequels and you've become one with them. are you okay. thank you.
I love how there are no transitions from one movie two the other two lol its just so disjointed
It's a perfect successor to Big Joel's old disney reviews from a few years ago, spiritually and literally.
The "Tarzan and Jane" transition makes me laugh; his only comment about it was a ridiculously funny scene of Tarzan collecting diamonds for greedy miners, and then saying a blank black screen was his favorite scene from the movie.
Joel looks like what I imagine some unhinged Greek philosopher like Diogenes would look like in this
in this... universe? century?
both work idk
You can never convince me that 31:51 was in the script from the beginning. They definitely told him to make a sheep noise and he went “le behhhh” and they said “yeah that’s good keep that”
I've been scrolling down reading the comments and it bothers me that no one has said anything of Joel's singing of Phil Collins and subsequent " *He fucking gets it, man. He-he's living it* " at 01:09:55
It killed me, man. He truly is living it.
Another odd thing about Cinderella 2 is that in every version of the story as far as I recall, her father is either a nobleman or a wealthy merchant. She spends several years forced to live as a servant by her evil stepmother, but she was born into wealth. She wouldn't be totally alienated by the behavior of the nobility even if she happened to disagree with it, but in this movie she's acting like a peasant who married into royalty.
It's even right in the opening of the original Disney movie. That huge house used to be hers.
Isn't it said that her father died as a child and that she's been a servant ever since? She probably forgot her upbringing
Yeah that was the whole reason her stepmother married her dad, for his wealth
Because.......she's being ABUSED
Generally, if a movie is just a bunch of unconnected stories, it’s because they already tried to make a tv show but execs decided to not green light it. They’re not trying to segue into a show, they’re throwing together the studio’s garbage to try to recoup the money they already spent on it.
enter the Aladdin tv series ಠᴥಠ
I feel like Mulan being against arranged marriages is pretty in character, considering the stress she went through in the first movie not fitting into expectations and the match-maker actively hating her, contrasted with the happiness she felt finding someone who loved her for who she is, without fitting into her traditional role
Yeah, I agree, but in the context of the movie, she still comes off as shockingly naive.
Sure but I’ve known people in analogous situations w similar reactions and she doesn’t act like them, she acts exactly like every white woman who finds out her foreign neighbor and her husband were set up by their parents and starts trying to emancipate her w Codmo magazines or some shit
I feel like it's also about how she can't accept that arranged marriages can work sometimes. That she doesn't believe that the girls can be happy when they're being married off
Yeah, that's what I've always said.
@@matthewv9169 But the king's son was only a kid and clearly not ready to marry anybody.
You know as an asexual I admit I've never thought about these attraction questions, but boy are they good ones
How sad and tragic that Rapunzel escaped an abusive parent-figure who confined her only for her own family to do exactly the same.
The show gets better, I promise
I pretend the show isn’t canon. It goes against so many things the first movie left. Including the wedding they already have in the movie smh
@@lunarialoonatic It literally doesn't go against the wedding. It comes between the movie and the wedding short film, so it's more about the adventures that happen after the film ends but before they fully get hitched.
@@neonjaysI personally just don’t appreciate the extra additions like some secret kid??? So cliche, or changing Flynn’s rugged nature
As someone who's seen (admittedly only the first season of) the cartoon it's not really like that, I think. Her dad bans her from leaving the kingdom out of fear for her safety- he's ultimately portrayed as misguided, but understandable. He's already lost her once and basically just got her back. He's not evil, he's scared. Also, the kingdom is pretty small, but "don't leave the country without my knowledge and permission" isn't that unreasonable of a request? Like, she's only 18. She travels within the kingdom on her own all the time in season one, too.
Starting off with Atlantis 2? Not even going to ease us into the trauma, are you?
At first I thought we were going alphabetically but yikes, it really is one of the worst.
Yeah I know. No lube or anything.
Joel, are you okay after this experience? You look like you've lived your whole life in a cave and have only known the world through shadows on the wall.
Holy shit you fucking killed him dude
i HAVE actually seen all of the Tangled TV show and so i am obligated to report that it is one of the most insane freak viewing experiences ive ever had,
Tangled the series is mostly a sea of the most baby of baby episode premises (there are multiple "animal mascots team up to save the day" episodes because they keep adding so many animal mascots) intermingled with an overarching narrative that is insane and thematically anti monarchy positioning the power imbalance of the role of princess as inherently harmful to any relationships an individual of that station might hold,
and thats all well and good but what makes it truly freak fiction is that the higher ups are clearly breathing down the necks of the people making those parts because the show can never go all in on acknowledging what the show is about, so a villain will walk on screen, explain to Rapunzel that she is a horrible unempathetic freak who is blind to the wants and needs of the people she calls her friends and incapable of acknowledging the risk to their safety the social power she wielding over them is to their wellbeing, and with no rebuttal to the completely reasonable reading of the character based on the events of the show the villain will go "actually you dont need to listen to my scathing critique of you Rapunzel im actually just evil" and the show can never develop rapunzel further because shes a weird mascot character.
on top of all of this the creator of the show seems almost unanimously hated by the staff from what ive seen and after making tangled the series he went to work at the daily wire to go make right wing propaganda.
after completing the show for the first time i created 2 filler lists that cut out half of the episodes of the show so i could actually show it to people so theyd believe me when i talk about how weird it is and no one has noticed the missing episodes really because there is some TRUE filler in this thing, like one episode ends with them going down a dirt road, the next episode opens with them on a 4 episode arc where they are on a raft and crash land on an island and have an island adventure and then they show up in a port city after escaping the island AND THEN after that episode ends the next episode opens with them on the dirt road from 5 episodes prior
everyone ive managed to get to watch up to episode 16 of season 1 however has been locked in for the full ride because that episode is completely unhinged and brings to the forefront a lot of the anti monarchy themes the show toys with across its run.
i dont know if ive got a wider point that i can compact down into a single comment but i need anyone reading this to know of my burden as the tangled the series understander
my favorite part about tangled the series is that they gave rapunzel a hot and tortured retainer with whom she has a complicated and fraught relationship (romance novel) AND they gave eugene a trashy bestest childhood friend and gave them that big goofy musical number about how they're the bestest of friends and can never be separated in the episode with the evil plant (they have fucked like at least twice) and they still expect you to believe that this is a show that naturally leads to rapunzel and eugene getting married
Do you still have the non-filler list? This sounds absolutely wild
I know I'm late but if you have the non-filler list still, PLEASE let me know what it is. my friend, quite a while ago, made me watch the entire series with her, and by the time we'd waded through all the boring filler, my mind was so numb that I didn't really absorb the batshit moments as much as I WANTED to. I've been mildly curious to rewatch but I do not want to get through the filler again lol
waiting for the filler list
We need that non-filler list
The original Pocahontas was frustrating enough with how much it erased from Matoaka’s actual life story, but for the second one to romanticize her “marriage” to John Rolfe was honestly awful, especially when you find out that before her kidnapping, she already had a husband and a child among her people. She became so depressed after being held captive by the English for about a month that they finally allowed her sisters to visit for the express purpose of stopping her from offing herself. Her father was desperate to see her before she was shipped away but was never allowed to, so instead (following tradition) he gave a pearl necklace to her captors to then be given to her as a gift for her upcoming “marriage” to Rolfe. I’m assuming this necklace was the inspiration for the one in the movie which just adds to the tone-deafness of it all. Her story after she got to England was just a horrific tragedy.
honestly this, the Pocahontas original movie, and the sequel, some pretty blatant historical revisionism
The original was just as historically offensive tbh
disney should donate all the profits from those movies to the powhatan people or, idk, at least fund some native-DRIVEN storytelling for a change. i know it's only a matter of time before they come for everyone's culture (including my own) and i'm really just hoping they at least find it's more profitable to not be... THIS bad about it? but it's a corporation, they tried to copyright dia de los muertos, etc etc
@@CaramelsDen you might be shocked to find out every story Disney stole had darker tones and themes yeah?
in the little mermaid, she doesn't get her voice back.
she just effin dies, turns into seafoam.
unda da sea indeed.
ik Pocahontas existed, but ffs lol - kid's movies? yeah let's add slavery, Stockholm syndrome and depression mmm mm mm 👌 like a chef's kiss
@@TemmiePlays maybe they simply shouldn't've tried to romanticize a real life kidnapping of an indigenous woman. maybe you should get it through your head that adapting history isn't the same as adapting fairy tales. idk.
I think the Peter Pan 2 line about how Wendy hasn't really changed after growing up is meant to reassure Peter that he doesn't have to be afraid of aging, that he can hold onto the most important/meaningful parts of youth without maintaining youth as your physical state, and I dig it.
Yeah, I've never seen the film but in the book when he sees the adult Wendy it is kind of melancholy and he's a bit of a dick TBH, it's cool they included that
to me the Ralph/Penelope situation feels like siblings who sorta raised each other and they struggle to separate as they grow into their own selves
1:04:32 Lumiere was always meant to be a bit of a playboy, no? in Human Again he sings "I'll be cooking again, be good-looking again, with a mademoiselle on each arm, when I'm human again, only human again, poised and polished and gleaming with charm, I'll be courting again, chic and sporting again" & Mrs Potts responds "which should cause several husbands alarm"
I have to admit, "Why would someone want to steal a glass case?" Got a genuine laugh out of me.
Big fan of a "Who's on First?" gag in any movie
@@Carlos-Mora It's a running gag in this movie that's meant to be a reference to the first movie's "Who's on First?" gag between Milo and Kida.
{Kida: Tell me more about your companions. Your physician, he is called Cookie?
Milo: No, that’s Sweet.
Kida: What is?
Milo: The doctor. He’s Sweet.
Kida: Oh, he is kindly.
Milo: No, no, no, that… that’s his name.
Kida: His name is Kindly?
Milo: No, Sweet. Well, I mean, he’s kindly, too.
Kida: So all of your doctors are sweet and kindly?
Milo: No. Well, l-I’m sure some are. Ours is, but that’s not a requirement. You’re missing the point.
Kida: You are confusing me.}
Man, this movie was so good...
@@whichcache2517 no, it is you who are sweet and kindly and good
@@felicityc Yup, that's my name.
Sweet Enkindlian Goode
@@whichcache2517 true story: my old neighbors named their first child Milo bc they both loved this movie. I always thought that was really cute.
Okay, the dragon, griffon, and unicorn all laughing while the other animals file onto the ark is pretty darn funny.
I always felt like the short is fine, and pomp and circunstance is great, but together they just kind of become something highly dissonant, and they definetively needed some work around.
I used to believe that's what really happened when I was a kid. Not from this movie, but the exact same thing.
Tbh I had to watch that part multiple times to tell whether they were laughing or crying. 😳
I've seen so many people mention how much they liked the romance between Anastasia and the baker, and in a vacuum I get it. But I could never, NEVER, get past that line Anastasia just casually lobs at Cinderella in that same episode. It's lived rent-free in my head for almost twenty years. It's such a punch to the face and the episode doesn't even notice.
Fun Fact, Djali the goat is actually a male, so depending on how you look at it the gargoyle in love with him is one of the first ever explicitly gay Disney characters!
This opening has truly inverse-Jenny Nicholson energy, like a demon sought to create her polar opposite
Damn, that got me unreasonably excited 😂
he really said fuck the numbered list 😂
I was gonna say that Large Joe is stepping on Jenny’s toes with this video.
i love their friendship lol
but can Matter & Anti-Matter ever meet?
Just from the clips shown here, i think the reason the banter between quasimodo and his gf works is because the voice actor for the gf is absolutely nailing it. Just hearing her laugh makes me smile.
That’s Jennifer love Hewitt! She was my first crush as a kid lol and the only reason why little me watched it. She also did voice work in Tom Thumb and adult me still finds her fine af
The banter between her and Quasimodo also works I think because you don't expect Quasi to have a traditional romance or get all poetic or anything. He's having a crush, and she is too because she's been sheltered, and awkward conversation with giggles feels plausible for the two of them. Its pure puppy love. It's one of the few things I think that movie got right.
I loved the Hercules series as a kid. My sister still sings Aphrodite's theme song whenever she makes a grand entrance into the living room or something.
My asexual romantic heart was so jazzed for a romance based solely on a persons’ being that I forgot the concept of attraction to bears existed and I am not happy Joel reminded me
I'm just going to assume evil enchanted Tim Curry voiced pipe organs keeping people miserable is how all Goth music is made now.
As someone who watched basically all of "Lilo and Stitch" the series, I know a lot about the different experiments that are in that battle scene… "crab stitch" as you call him is straight-up a theme park ride that I guess travels around the islands and spins people around all day. You know like those twister rides you see at every cheap carnival? Yeah that's the one place where he belongs.
10 / 10 great material.
im only at wreck it ralph, but thank you for reassuring me that leroy is coming
Also the only reason Crab Stitch is that big is he got hit by a growth ray on accident. He is actually the size of a bug because he was created to crawl inside machinery and destroy it from the inside-out by snipping wires and stuff.
Lilo just decided to leave him that big and serve as a replacement for one of the carnival rides he destroyed. So yeah, theres a lot going on with him.
Okay Bambi 2 is real good and I'm willing to fight about it. It's about mourning and life after loss, and about the great prince learning to be a deer/kid again. Also it actually looks like it had a budget and not like a great value version of the original
Give this man some credit for being one of the most people in the modern generation to not talking about The prince jumps out of the window scene during the Cinderella III part.
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I actually liked that Quasi doesn't end up with anyone at the end of the first. The entire arc of the first was about him moving past his dependencies on Frollo and on Esmerelda, his physical dependence on Frollo and emotional on Esmerelda.
Same, actually. They were EXCELLENT as best friends, such a great chemistry together and I'm glad her, Quasi, and Phoebus stayed just that - best friends.
@@Crasher1982Phoebus and Esmerelda were very much a romantic item by the end of the film.
That was the only real issue I had with how they ended up. I think quasi not ending up with Esmerelda makes sense and is probably the healthiest decision for them. But her and Phoebus getting together felt really weird and unnecessary to me.
@@bishielurfer Sure. I mean her and he stayed best friends with Quasi. I'm happy about that, they had great chemistry as BFF.
Doesn't Quasimodo kill Esmeralda in the original book?
@@michaelslowmin No, quite the opposite in fact. Though Quasi isn't necessarily a major character for much of the book; no, the book itself is entirely about architecture and the cathedral itself. Victor Hugo wrote it specifically because Notre Dame was crumbling, and he succeeded- our modern conception of historical preservation can be traced back to him!
Spoiler warning:
The book is a tragedy, Phoebus is evil and while Frollo is also bad, he's a complicated character who's trying to save his brother from a life of crime. Quasi has very few words spoken through the entire book, but my favorite character is the Hugo self-insert guy who loves architecture. There's also some incredible lines (as is typical of Victor Hugo), like "This will kill that, the book will kill the cathedral", in reference to how literature and public education removed the necessity for massive public works (architecture) for the illiterate masses.