Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty/2.0: Bad PC performance? It might not be your GPU
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The Cyberpunk 2077 2.0 update as well as the Phantom Liberty expansion pack have significantly changed CPU performance in the game. There is also now an AMD Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) setting available under the gameplay options which can affect CPU performance. Ray tracing also puts an additional burden on the CPU. In this video we look at CPU limited performance on a variety of CPUs and also explore how the AMD SMT button affects performance as well as other game settings like crowd density and Ray Tracing, including RT Overdrive.
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Thanks again for another great vid!
No worries, your channel is great.
Work, work, work,,,, 😂
Hey Daniel, it's quite jarring when you're moving your camera frame to align your pointing finger. It's a cool idea, but it makes it harder for me to focus since so much more than your finger starts moving around. I think it wouldn't be an issue if your hand was filling up the whole camera shot or you used pointing hand cutouts to pin on the image, or even good old green marker highlights/circles. Just a few ideas to keep the criticism healthy. Thanks for your work making another solid video, they are always on point and I wish more tech media was paying attention to the increasingly cognizant topic of CPU binds and utilization.
My brother has a i7 8700k and he just got the game with everything absolutely maxed out and path tracing on max with rtx set to psycho it is not the bottleneck the rtx 3090 is at 1440p
It's crazy how CPU-intensive games are becoming nowadays.
It's nice to see somebody actually use it for a real reason this time.. or at least a plausible one anyways..
Honestly with how gpu-intensive most games are, being cpu-intensive is a good thing sometimes
People have be complaining for years that games only used a few cores. Well they fixed that, now they use all the cores (well 16T anyways) at 100%.
because we believed to the lie that 8 cores were enough
Battle Royals have always been crazy CPU intensive, especially Fortnite. Bad CPU performance is something I'm familiar with and it's so much more frustrating than a GPU bottleneck.
@18:30 I am a game developer, and you're kinda most of the way there. Games and programs in general are sequential, we can only do things in the correct order.
So even though we split up a task into other threads, it's not necessarily one task being split up and is instead a set of tasks being split up.
30 people walking around can be split into 30 threads, but each thread would only be one person walking.
You can't make 1 person walking be split up into 30 threads.
The way we often say it is "having 30 chefs doesn't mean the cake bakes in the oven faster".
There's also the fact that if a thread is using data, it's not like anything else can use that data.
In order to use that data there has to be a lock put onto it to stop another thread changing it mid process etc.
This can cause all kinds of headaches.
the "putting it back together again" at the end is indeed an issue though.
Especially when other code is waiting for ALL of the threads to finish before it can actually do its task.
So it's still going to have to wait for the slowest member of the group to finish before it can proceed.
This is a whole lot easier when each frame doesn't have to be done within 16ms.
In direct response to the topic of the game not using more than 16 threads, you're pretty much right.
It's just diminishing returns really.
It will be interesting to see how Intel cpus with the big/little architecture handles this
"I prob just blinded you with the white background, deal with it, anyway.." LMAO
0:00 Intro
1:02 Ryzen 5 5600 Performance Patch 1.6 vs 2.0
2:18 GPU Busy showing CPU Limited Performance
3:11 New AMD SMT Setting On/Off
5:26 CPU Bottleneck Pt.2 (1080p Ultra vs Low)
7:04 Crowd Density FPS Performance
8:30 Ray Tracing FPS Performance
11:20 System Requirements
12:48 5950X Comparative Testing Disclaimers
14:59 5950X SMT On/Off
17:14 Theorizing on SMT On/Off performance for 5950X
18:52 7800X3D Comparative Testing Disclaimers
19:12 7800X3D SMT On/Off
21:00 Conclusion
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U da 🐐
Thanks. Skipped to conclusion, no help at all. Saved me 25 Mins.
@@sidvanhoundif you struggle cpu just disable RT, or reduce it, low crowd density and auto cpu performance stp
I have started to watch you for some time and I have to praise your "style" of moving yourself around, it's helps a lot to follow you and your way of talking about it is great too, thank you and good job!
Glad I’m not the only one. Thought I was going crazy. Game still runs fine at high with quality FSR 2.1 on my system but I have noticed that I’m cpu limited much more than I was before and do occasionally dip below 60 though it’s rare
I was consistently getting 30 with everything on Ultra including RT, and quality DLSS. But in the new area, I'm seeing constant dips into the low 20s and stuttering.
Im definitely not buying this i played on series x I was happy
going below 55 fps from 100 fps is making me go crazy with this monitor it feels like the game running at 20fps , i had to buy rthe game on the ps5 because it seems that stays at 60 fps stable even in dogtown and i cant afford to buy ryzen 7 series yet
@@Jason_Bover9000 def playing in the ps5 this game is not running well on my ryzen 3600
@@nicholasdavidson1191ya, RT has to go for this dlc
Once again you prove yourself Daniel. Really good material, answers a lot of questions. You need to take this to Intel, they should be honored to sponsor you with a combo.
What a piece of garbage their engine is. I'm so glad they realized that and switched to Unreal Engine.
after all this, frame generation did make a difference on my experience with a 5600x, 32ram, b350 (am still on first gen ryzen mobo lol) and 4070 a 1080p, always above 80fps, you can still feel those 40 ish frames but not as much, was thinking of upgrading the whole platform to a 7700x for starfield an this but... honestly i play just fine with what i have now and am enjoying like a child
can you post all your graphics settings? planning on playing 1080p with a 4070 with similar specs
@@pyxNewWorld everything on high, dlss quality, fg on, no dynamic resolution, raytracing all on and lighting ultra, no path tracing, i play the whole game 100+ fps, closed areas 150+, except for the big open areas of the dlc (there the framerate drops to 80-ish) everything else runs as i said, everything feels smooth and looks great. I feel that if you have a b550 you can probably turn on path tracing, my b350 was never the best and the pcie 3.0 is starting to cause trouble here, excuse my english, not my first language
@@miguelzl5228 looks great, thank you.
7700x would be a silly upgrade. Go a 5800x3d or 7800x3d
@@IceBreakBottle the 7700x is better for my tipe of work tho, i might just wait for the next gen of cpus maybe even 2 gens if a find a good deal on a good b550 or x570
I love how when I first bought this game I had a ryzen 3 3100 and now 3 years later I have a 5600x and get the same performance as the ryzen 3 3100 before the 2.0 update. And I just bought the 5600x, now between starfield and cyberpunk I feel like it was a horrible purchase. 😭
I was using a 2600x until this juneish, and its definitely better, problem is im still using a 1070 but a new card worthwhile upgrade is like 200-250 for something like a 3060 and I dont game enough to justify it, but starfield is basically unplayable at 1080p with a 1070
Did the same but i dont feel bad because i know is an optimization thing, the rest of releases this years runs fine
The medium setting is good enough for Starfield and Cyperpunk. I play Starfield on HDR Oled at medium settings, and it looks surprisingly beautiful. A good monitor is better than investing in high-end PC specs in the long run.
buy ryzen 7 5800x3d and sell the 5600x
@@johnyaruki734 Yeah man I cant just afford to do that. And frankly I dont care enough, I need a better gpu before cpu.
the game is very CPU intensive now. it used only 15-25% CPU usage on update 1.61. then i stopped playing waiting for phantom liberty. now i got cpu bottleneck, hovering around 60-95% CPU usage. and my GPU usage rarely goes over 95% now. sometimes goes as low as 50%.
also another thing that i experience is even though the fps on afterburner says 60-ish fps. sometimes it felt kinda choppy like 40 fps. and that happens when CPU usage was around 80-95%.
This is exactly what I am experiencing. They even flexed that they are 'going to use' all of your cpu now. That's true and made dogtown to dogshit.
my fps suck after a few day when 2.0 come out
Same here, with 7900XTX i bought week ago, with 5900X and 32gigs of 3200 ram, cpu utilized about 40-60%, being cpu limited, GPU goes from 60-80%, with crowd on low, it goes up to 70-90% in heavy areas
Edit: Crowd density from low to high, 99 avg fps to 71, turning SMT ON/OFF/Auto 95/99/100 fps, weird
0:21 There is no way a 3080 is comparable to a 7900XTX for normal raster..
That's because Cyberpunk is not a properly made game but an nVidia techdemo used to make their gimmicky features look good and a must have
@@IlMufficidalol as far as I know gta5 still has better AI a 10 year old game
@@IlMufficida bruh you really believe this ?? '-'
brain ain't braining there lil bro
I was replaying 2077 waiting for the DLC and yeah, I noticed a pretty big performance drop. I was 95% of the time rocksolid 60 fps at 2k using ultra and RT Ultra pre 2.0. Now I dip to 50's often even with DLSS running and I was using native before. I thought the new update would only bring improvements to fps but now I feel like my rig can't handle it when it did. I have to start dropping my graphic settings and it doesn't feel great. My CPU is on the weaker side but it just sucks that the update before worked much better for me.
Agreed. It seems so out of place because from release, most patches had the intention to fix performance. Then this one comes out and hurts it.
I'm torn because I'm legitimately having tons of fun with the new systems but incredibly irritated at how many times my Ryzen 7 3700x dips to the 40's-50's.
@@JGupton93 maybe they will (i hope at least) release some patch's in the near future to help with performance, i was also really surprised by the FPS Drops i was getting when i never really had such issue before, i did not run extensive test with msi afterburner on to see exactly what causes this but overall even with "optimized" settings it still hurting my fps quite badly ...
the one setting that feel like it has the highest impact as of now is really the crowd, from high to medium i've seen an improvement but not that big therefore i'd rather stay with the occasional drop but better crowd than medium which sometime feel kinda empty ...
my i3 10th gen processor really can't handle this game on dogtown at the Black Sapphire area where there is more crowds. Shooting them makes it worse
Bad Devs blame everything other that it's game being broken
Great analysis as usual.
Good thing cpus are inexpensive. Definitely sucks if you have a pc that's hard to rebuild tho. Path tracing and ray reconstruction look incredible. Probably the best looking game I've played period especially in dark scenes.
Dark rooms look so realistic it's insane. A lot of ppl who are viewing livestreams of this game are complaining that it's so dark, but they don't understand how good it looks in person. Some areas of this game, especially areas you visit during the main story look 100% real.
At the very least if you are stuck at am4 a 5800x3d atleast on my rig is good enough to not bottleneck a 4090 on rt overdrive mode at a 4k output. In fact I have yet to find a point where I am cpu limited where as even pre-patch I was often cpu limited on my older 5600x.
@@11cat123 exact same setup. Cyberpunk runs great
@@11cat123 5800x3D+RTX3080TI main system here, gonna run HUB's optimized guide and will maybe touch the RT reflections, but want to try and keep my FPS above 90 while allowing for some eye candy, glad to see my CPU is still performing well, probably won't be able to hit 90's in CPU heavy areas, but can't wait to test it out.
I won't be able to touch 4K though, probably 1440p with DLSS quality for me. 😞
Still one of the best looking games out there even at 1440p so can't complain too much. 🙂
My CPU is undervolted with the PBO2 app and locks to 4450MHz in all my games and even runs 4420MHz in 100% all core workloads with 32GB 3600MHz CL16 tuned RAM so can't wait to see how well it runs here, my 3080TI is also OC'd with a healthy undervolt, but I'm not expecting much from it in this game, still probably under a stock 3090.
@@11cat123 4k shouldn't really bottleneck any CPU from the last 5 years.
Edit: I think GPUs are at the point of being CPU bottlenecked at 1440p though.
weirdly enough my rig is gpu limited with 11700f and 4070ti, my FPS went from 100+ to 80+ after 2.0 update with GPU usage 95%-99%, and playing with the graphic settings brought it back up to 100+, even though I was so sure my rig was gonna be cpu limited
It heavily depends which area you are in of course.
Try a marketplace, you most certainly are CPU limited there.
11th gen has AVX-512 instruction set right? I've seen people who haven't had much performance impact move from 1.6 to 2.0.
On a 5700x3D Dogtown is unplayable with RT On, I don't mind if FPS are lower but the area stutters and freezes like crazy, disabling RT and everything is a lot stable. Outside of Dogtown it's a flawless experience even with maxed RT.
I would think the best comparison would have been to see the performance of that 5600x and it's dependancy on AM4 versus a 7600x on AM5. Considering that both cpus are 6 cores but the generational uplift being very significant with the added bonus of faster DDR5 RAM and better performing AM5 motherboards. Also possibly faster M.2 drives.
In 1.6 driving around the 5600x got around 80fps average while the 7600x got 111 fps avg. ( Ultra RT settings 1080p )
In Cyberpunk the 7600x outperforms even the 5800x3D.
I was not getting the performance i hoped for with my 3090 on this game...this explains a lot, thanks
Well this sucks. Currently playing my Cyberpunk restart and I haven't yet gotten to any of the Phantom Liberty content. I'm using a 9600K and a 3080, playing at 1440p. Even with the base game I noticed some odd CPU utilization that wasn't present prior to 2.0 which was bottlenecking performance (dipping to the mid 50s) in some areas, and it looks like even G-Sync won't save it with the Phantom Liberty stuff.
It's good that this was brought to my attention though, because I recently looked at some benchmarks of the 9600K vs the 13600K and it really wasn't worth upgrading for a 22% increase in performance. But it was with games that were not using eight plus cores. Was going to do a full system build next fall, and then decided not to due to Nvidia stalling their next gen of GPUs, but I might reconsider it if enough CPU intensive games (that I actually want to play) release between now and then.
Perfect!!!! Exactly the content I was looking for regarding the SMT option. Can trust Daniel to deliver!
We finally got a multi-threaded engine and they say they're not going to use it anymore... I really hope that's not the case.
Yeah the game is now unplayable on an i5 9th gen. How are they not getting sued for changing the system requirements of a game.
i meet between high and ultra recommendations but why are the pop ups so bad and the crowd density nonexistent after the 2.0 update... its kinda upsetting. it makes driving boring. im just driving on an empty road and thats even if the road loads ahead of me... ive fallen off the map going to fast.
The game is just downloading but I can already hear my 10500 crying.
Before I could at least get 60fps worst case scenario running the game at 3440x1440 but we'll see about that now xD
I highly doubt a 7900X would beat a 7800X3D even in this game, I don't think CDPR has tested those two CPUs. The 7900X just matches a 7700X in gaming so I don't think it can even touch the 7800X3D. Adding more threads beyond 16 shouldn't do anything as you showed in the video.
even a 7700x is a lot for this game compared to release
Red Dead Redemption 2 is a perfect example how to optimize an open world game. CDPR should go back to their roots and only making Witcher-Like games.
Just don't give money to developers too lazy to optimize for modern systems.
this tech guy's that popup in my feed, so incompetent. im literally playin in 110-120 fps on 1440p medium settings.
well that dev straight up lied, I get 60% CPU util with a 5800x
Thanks for the context when talking about each testing setup, helps know much better where the numbers come from. Your attention to detail is greatly appreciated, keep it up! 👍
CyberPunk 2077 2.0 runs great on my Ryzen 1700X and RX 6800 combo high with RT minimum and ultra no RT 1440P. Haven't tried it on the 5800X yet but clearly do not need to. Probably won't buy Phantom Liberty.
I can't even run Cyberpunk without crashing every 5 minutes on my 3060 . I disabled all Raytracing, clean install 3 times and deleted all mod files. Updated graphic Drivers, downgraded graphic drivers. Downgraded the graphics more and more and still getting GPU failed for Unkown reason crashes.
did u ever find out what was wrong with ur gpu? or it just didn't like that one game?
the nonchalant "i probably blinded you with a white background, deal with it" has me cheering for the Daniel Owen villian era
It also looks like the setting - slow hard drive mode improves CPU performance.
5800x & 6950 XT here and i have massive Performance Issues with the Cyberpunk DLC.
40-45 Fps...in 1440p...
No matter what settings.
Low, High or Ultra is Always the same Performance.
It need atleast ryzen 7 7700 and above which is fucked up, what even more fucked up, to play 1080p high setting zero ray tracing, you need ryzen 7 7800x3d to get stable 60fps which is INSANE !!!!!!!!
RAM timings matter, I had 3200mhz cl 16 and with 5600x in SOTTR I averaged 193fps in the benchmark, while being cpu bound. Now I have another kit 3600cl16 which i have overclocked to 3733cl16 and tightened the timings as much as possible, now I average 223fps. The difference is massive. I saw you test in starfield and you 5600x was dropping below 60fps in new atlantis, I tested in on my pc, same settings, same location and I constantly had 10-15fps more, when cpu bound. BTW I have a better cooler, PBO is enabled -30 CO and +200mhz.
yeah memory oc is still important in 2023
never listen to mainstrain techtubers said overclock is dead
@polly_2526 it does matter. Maybe it is just in my head, but I can tell you tweaked hynix cjr feels a lot snappier than samsung c-die. Windows just feels more responsive when going from 72ns to 58 in aida benchmark.
It matters I got an 8700K and rtx 2080 setup that is getting higher number than the 5600x + 4070ti setup shown here lol
Faster RAM matters and its not in your head. Anyone who says otherwise really hasn't done their own testing.
I would also agree with this. I replaced my 3200 cl16 ram with 3600 cl14 and it has improved average fps in most games. In games where it hasnt, it has increased minimums still. Thats with a 5800x3d and a 7900 xtx
Path Tracing reduced my CPU usage by 30%. 5800x and 4080. My 5800x is being brutalized by this game and Starfield. Well, VR and Sim racing too.
and thats some bullshit. 5700x and 5800x should run this game (any game) easily on FHD. and they are asking for R7 7th gen paired with 2060 super... i mean what stupid logic is that!? Ridiculous.
Programmers will tell you "context switching is a bitch" more threads has dismissing returns and at a point is a net loss
I have a Ryzen 7 3700X and CP77 with frame generation is not even remotely as taxing as BG3 xD barely scratch 60°C on the CPU.
Game dev here. It's not harder to split things off to more cores or not. The amount of work and the splits are likely not changing at all, meaning the syncing does not change, and if a thread is waiting on a sync, it will not stay in a spin lock/active waiting, so it's utilization numbers will go down. The reason you probably can se a bit of slowdown when you split things up on more cores are much more likely to do with cache and kernel level interrupts, making one thread stall others. It is likely happening no matter what, but it is happening at more points during one "job" if more threads run at the same time.
As for cache, on AMD, different cores share the cache in different ways, depending on their physical layout. Performance can change from managing that. If two core that share cache access the same atomic variable, it will have less of an impact compared to if they didn't share cache. So it can be good to share cache at times. But, it can be bad in other. If more cores use the same cache for jobs that don't share memory, it means the cache will fill up and have more misses faster, making them run slower.
So, in short. It's very complicated to do absolutely optimal threading, and these things are likely why you might see bad scaling even when the CPU gets work.
(also, there are more factors, like virtual threads on the same physical core actually share busses, so if just one of them completely saturate for example the available SIMD instructions, it can turn in to stalls and waiting, and actually minimal parallel work... But that is a complicated thing to evaluate and explain)
"It's not harder to split things off to more cores"
disagree
@@itsTyrion please read that as "not harder to split tasks that are already able to run in parallel off to more cores when it is available" . I am sure this game has more tasks than cores, and if it is anything like the projects I've worked on, it is very easy to get more worker threads to match more cores. So this is referring to that, and the rest of the comment is about why it might not run better even if you can decide it on more cores. If the cores didn't actually receive work, and the spitting was hard. We would see their utilization being low as well.
Anyway, everything written here needs to be simplified. It's only a comment section on a video after all. Not a full-fledged programming discussion hub.
So reason I getting my GPU at 60% is because this is still a shitty game after 3 years
with the 5950X the SMT hurls performance because of the latency between CCDs. The setting distributes the CPU load over all the cores and this requires fast communication among them, but when a core in CCD 1 has to talk to a core at CCD 2, there is an extra delay caused by the infinity fabric's speed limitation. In 8-core CPUs such as the 5800X or 7800X, there is only 1 CCD and a unified cache, so the core-core communication is as fast as possible. This is why the 7950X3D has extra cache on 1 CCD only and AMD also uses the Xbox game software on windows to redirect the game's CPU load to this one, to maximize performance and minimize latency penalties.
"with the 5950X the SMT hurts performance because of the latency between CCDs"
You mixed up few things and also CCD latency most of the time does not effect gaming perf in negative way.
First of all, SMT ON hurts 5950x in this game because of "context-switching", essentially what it means is that windows scheduler takes more time assigning jobs for each cpu thread longer than actually executing them, thus creating extra overhead and worse performance.
If game could utilize more cpu threads than 16, it will most likely improve performance with SMT ON, because now there are more "workers" than available cpu cores, so with SMT ON feature, additional cpu threads will most likely help.
Now the dual CCD latency does not effect cpus most of the time as windows schedules vast majority of games on its first CCD anyway, and in other cases when both ccd's are utilized it actually increases performance, due to additional cores and cache on secondary CCD. It is quite rare when 5950x performs slower than 5800x, in most cases its either the same or 5950x has like 10-20% better perf. in 1% lows and 0.1% lows, maybe a bit higher AVG on top.
The theory that unified cache of 3800x/5800x/7700x being objectively superior performer in games than its dual CCD counterpart (3950x/5950x/7950x) is mostly a myth, because it's mostly supported by outliers rather than overwhelming majority of cases.
7900x3d/7950x3d is different case since they are hybrid and asymmetrical cpus unlike 3950x/5950x/7950x, so assigning same game on both CCD's becomes quite troublesome and may lead to stuttering and other perf issues.
No it doesn't, it runs fine.
@@h1tzzYTThese guys talk after watching a video or reading a crap post and not understanding it. Most of them probably built 1 or 2 computers and have little technical experience other than remote observation and theory so please forgive all the village idiots.
Yes, although the Core-to-Core latency between two CCDs is not that high (normally something around 79ns), there's an additional problem, for example, let's say the Game Thread 1 is scheduled on CCD1 and then moved to CCD2, CCD2 now needs to go through Infinity Fabric to fetch data from the CCD1 and copy to the CCD2 L3 cache. Now this Game Thread 1 is scheduled again on the on CCD1. As long as the data is not modified, this is fine, but games do a lot of write operations to memory, and this means that CCD1 and CCD2 has to keep this data consistent across both caches using the MOESI protocol, and this incurs in a performance penalty, although small, it does affect frame rate.
As for the L3 cache, it's not only to minimize latency, it's way more to avoid cache misses. If a thread that was previously on a CCD1 + 3D V-Cache, and goes to another CCD2 which also has a 3D V-cache (AMD has prototypes with 3D V-Cache on both CCDs), it will surely hit a lot of cache misses and have to fetch everything through Infinity Fabric, and even worse, deal with data coherency penalties across both L3 caches. You generally want the application to be Cache Resident. They stick to a single CCD and use this same cache for its entire lifetime.
My pc with rtx 4070 and i510400f, on ultra settings with rt overdrive plus FG, DLSS quality, I get 65-90 fps.
Bottleneck with that cpu
I rarely watch RUclips but I quite like the raw nature of your videos Dan. Off the cuff, with knowledge...
I have had great results with an 11th gen I7. 4080, 32gb of DDR4 RAM. With path tracing , maxed out visual options and game capped at 90fps,Quality DLSS and with Frame Gen. I can push over 100 if I uncap. If I go native 4K I average 75-80fps with the same as above but DLSS performance. Zero streaming issues either. Very consistent for me.
I have a i7 9770k and am using the path tracing mode with active frame generation while fps capped to 57 (to reduce input lag), and still running into the CPU limit quite often. Not most of the time, but often enough for it to be annoying. My internal frame rate being so low means that the game immediately becomes almost unplayable when I'm hitting the CPU limit. Apparently my CPU is already old.😅
I don't have Cyberpunk 2077 and wouldn't buy it because of the ray tracing and the excessive reflections and even if I did have it, I wouldn't care about the resolution at a maximum of 1080P and a maximum of 60 FPS ray tracing, DLSS, FSR, FG Which version is always off for me?
If you're going to do it on 1080p your GPU is gonna be sitting around doing nothing if its powerful enough. Which is most of the 3080/4070 + series cards.
I expected to see 2k and 4k results as well just to demonstrate how much load that takes off the CPU. Too bad.
Ryzen 7 7700x cpu
B650e-f motherboard
32gb DDR5 RAM
RX 6700XT
Samsung 980 pro 2TB Nvme
I run at 1440p with FSR 2.1 set to performance, all settings at high or ultra, ray tracing set to medium.
According to my radeon software I'm averaging 70 fps across 40h of play... outside of dog town.
Just got to dog town and it seems like Ray tracing off might be the play.. the environmental detail in the new area is noticeably higher.
Dude it is called AMD dip, switch to Intel and all the dips would be gone. Building computers for over thirty years.
money please
tbh with a gtx 1650 and a ryzen 5 3500 and 40 gbs of ram i get 50-60 fps with fsr and the game looks and runs great both 2.0 and PL completed PL
Now i know why my cyberpunk getting a lil stuttering when moving around. Thanks Daniel for this amazing video u made ! keep doing what u love !
CDPR did a great job making the game look stunning and very playable on a medium spec PC yet still offering lots of eye candy for those with more powerful computers
I think I read in different publications that the SMT fix should be as per core count. 6 cores set to auto, 8-12 cores set to on, above 12 set to off. Strangely, there does seem to be a slight but still real difference between setting auto or on.
So Auto is perhaps switching on the fly?, depending on the situation. I was also curious if Auto would switch to Off the majority of the time on a 12+ core CPU, but maybe does occasionally go On when a certain load is met. This would mean Auto could be the best setting for all scenarios ? Just curious
For me the game runs bad since 2.0, I used to have an average of 70 and now goes less than 50,i got 42 in the most demanding area.
Have only seen a few drops below 60 in Dogtown with my Ryzen 5600 / RX 6600 on 1080 High no FSR. Can run Ultra with FSR 2.0 Quality but I hate how the game looks.
CPU usage spike is insane, I had 100+ fps before Phantom Liberty update on my i5-12400 and now it's barely holding up 60 with constant drops to 40-50 while CPU isn't hitting even 80-85% usage. Had to lower crowd density to low and it's still drops sometimes... WTF CDPR?
Edit: Yeah, I was just about to joke "now it's 12700 and 7800X in recommended?" and I saw official system reqs list at the end of video. What a joke...
you'd think after 3 years they optimized this game already, instead of making it far more demanding to run...
Hello Daniel can you please try out the 5800x3d a little more considering it's popularity?
We are now at the age of pc gaming wherein 6 cores is the minimum. 2022-2023 has revolutionized luxury gaming 😂.
just dont max out ssr and crowd density.....if u have a 6 core cpu dont run them above high and you should be fine and shouldn't dip below 60
Hey, apparently there is a method to use Ray Reconstruction with lower tiers of RT instead of Path Tracing, would appreciate it if you took a look at how the various tiers of RT look with Ray Reconstruction enabled.
second this
So I heard it's not recommended since it's straight up Bork at the time some tried it the other day.
For the official Path Tracing one, yes. But the modded Ray Tracing one does have more issues last time I heard.@m0rianne
Dogtown regularly drops into the low 50's in performance mode on all three modern consoles, so it's clearly a CPU issue there too. I hope we get a patch or (on PC) at least eventually FSR 3 to smooth things out.
Recommended CPU: 7800x3d
But the Recommended GPU is a 5700xt lol ...wtf?
Because that chart clearly states 1080p Ultra without RT. That setting is mostly taxing the CPU. RT is where your GPU matters.
for me it was neither cpu nor gpu that was ever above 70%. still in dogtown my fps tanked at times in the area in front of the stadium and inside the stadium specifically.
My cpu temps won’t go above 70 on my 5800x3d, also can’t get my gpu hot spot above ~60 in game. Moved my rig into a thermal take ceres 500 recently and it’s slapping!
In other words you can't get away with an ok CPU and high end GPU. Now you need to invest in CPU as well. Possibly you need to go above your current GPU bottleneck for futureproofing.
I have a 3070 and a 5600x and im always cpu bound in this game, this is just the video ive been looking for, any advice?
I have a 2080ti (basically same performance as a 3070) with a much weaker CPU and the high preset runs 60+ for the most part. I guess the Phantom Liberty area is just that much more demanding than the rest of the game even after the 2.0 update? I’m GPU bound at 4K balanced, so 1080 internal.
@trailduster6bt Yeah I havent actually been to any phantom liberty area yet but as I play on a 240hz monitor it would be nice if I could get more frames. I usually get around 60-100 in the city and 115+ anywhere else with cpu always at 100% and gpu anywhere between 60-85%.
buy a ryzen 7 5800x3d
@@xDvoa wow, what settings? 60% seems absurdly low. I’m always over 90% on the gpu and like I said, my xeon cpu is weaker than a 5600. And I’m not hitting 100% on the cpu, usually in the 70s
Dogtown area tow nearly maximum amount of CPU usage for my laptop 13700HX + 4070 making DLSS+RT+RR mode so unstable for me with lots of hiccup because of bottleneck. The only way I play the game smoothly in Dogtown is at least DLAA with some optimized settings tweak 70-100 FPS, and yet there's still major stutter every few minutes driving around Dogtown.
Is it possible that Faster SSD, memory might give you more fps, 'cause it seems like there is a ton of asset streaming going on if you look around
Faster Ram does help the CPU limited performance, but my tests are on fast gen4 SSDs so I don't think that's the issue.
Faster SSD will only get you better loading times, unless you're currently running a HDD, then yes, it gets you better performance, especially in crowded areas.
I do also recommend turning HDD mode on anyway, even with an SSD if you're running a mid-grade setup (e.g. 10th Gen Intel + 3070ti or lower). Helps by putting more into cache rather than per-instance loading. You'll get more copy-paste NPCs and Cars, but also more stable FPS.
Anyone here expereiencing low gpu usage? I am with a 3080 and use rt reflections and most of the time I have a gpu usage of 70-50% and reaching only 60-39 fps while in some instances the gpu goes up to 99-95% and the fps goes up to 90-75 fps. Meaning the 3080 can run the game with rt reflections and high-ultra settings at 80 fps easily. I hope it’s a problem from their side and can be fixed. Gpu rtx 3080 cpu 5900x. Resolution setting - 1440p
I just upgrade my CPU to i7 14700k and found that CP2077 still use all the 20 cores up to 100% 😅😅
Was playing this last night (NVME, 3070, 5800 x3d, 32 Gb RAM system) playing at 1440p DLSS performance mode, ray reconstruction on (through.ini tweak) ray reflections on only, frame rates just absolutely tanked at the bit you meet Solomon in the dive bar and Daphne/Alex(?) gets upset with him.
I use in i-7 12700f processor, playing cyberpunk and other taxing games. I have not seen my CPU go over 30% usage
*Daniel casually running over NPC's*
"Sorry guys, it's for RUclips"
Glad you brought this up. I noticed straight away with the 2.0 update. Thought maybe it was my system at first
Look, this is just plain misbehavior. We've seen games run with a lot of systems implemented (transit systems, a fleshed out cop system, additional quality of life systems) for example GTA 5, Watchdogs etc and they NEVER demand such high cpu usage and would run on older hardware. Who are these coders who can't even make a properly optimized system that works in the game and then their solution is to throw more cores at it and flex? This is bullsh*t on another level. What are you using my CPU for? Billboards? Because there isn't even a proper driving ai that functions in the game.
Goddamn modern games are absolutely nuking CPU's - I'm on a 3700x & 3070 and I'm almost always CPU bound. Cyber 2.0 & Starfield have bullied me into buying a new CPU - I was thinking of going to a 5900x, but i'm worried thats not even enough. is it necessary to go up to a 7700x or better to play these games properly? would love some opinions
Well I went ahead and spent the money on a 5900x which should be a significant upgrade, but I can tell you all definitively that it's still not enough for decently smooth performance in Cyberpunk 2.0. Very disappointed that a recent, powerful 12 core 24 thread CPU is still dipping me into the mid 40's and 50's in the new dogtown area at certain high traffic moments, even on low crowd density. My CPU now is almost the same price as my GPU (RTX 3070) and is still constantly the bottleneck. Games need to fuck off with these absurd CPU demands
I would not have thought to look in "Gameplay" for any kind of performance setting. Thank you for this!
Damn here I am trying to play cyberpunk again after like a year got phantom liberty and everything and my R9 3900x + 6800xt , 2x16gb ram config. is screamin... it does run smooth here and there in like the 120-140fps? but brother im running it on 1080p ultra (ofc no RT) and when im around the apartments area i dip down into the 50s... what happened to this game
u in fact did blind me, also yes i noticed prior the 13900k gets more fps than the 7800x3d on max settings
updated my 5600x to a 5800x3d a couple of days ago, just before this game came out, definitely improved performance a lot in cyberpunk, the one area that would really choke the cpu and stutter badly is now perfectly smooth. Only played the beginning of phantom liberty , haven't got to drive yet but performance seems decent so far, getting 60 plus at 1440p with ray traced reflections on a 6900xt, it briefly dropped to high 50's in the first built up section but was smooth so was the gpu rather than the cpu struggling
50 fps is not smooth
My 1050 ti 4gb is still kicking ass in medium settings with performance fsr, gives 50-60 most of the time and doesn't drop below 30 in the most intense places
Hoping someone here can help me. Running afterburner shows that one like 4 of my cores are being used. Out of those, only one is consistently above 30-50% and the other three barely touch 5%. Is it something on my end? Bad install or something, perhaps?
I have a 2070 I should be fine but it freezes whenever I try to get to dogtown.
Man I'm tired of my brand new cpu already being outdated for gaming on average settings...
since i buyed phantom yesterday i got textures loading very slow some npc need like 20-30 sec to load
Now they are just using this game to sell CPUs, because even 7800X3D appears to close to being a bottleneck, CPU usage is 75% of the total CPU and it is one of the fastest CPUs out there.
Iam getting 40fps average on mid on my ryzen 3500 and rx570 4gb so they optimise it pretty well as well they can so no complain for performance
Why are they equating a 7800x3d to a 12700k? The difference is SOOO huge. The 7800x3d is gonna run it better than a 7900x but put below it on rec requirements? Do they know what these components are?
lol, I play on ultra no RT at 1440p dlss quality on a 2080 super EVAG KO and a 3700x CPU clocked at 4.2 Ghz on each coreDriving
At ultra no RT.
So guys.... It's not that heavy.
Now.... When you do ray tracing..... Oh shit. If you put ray raced lighting on..... It will destroy you frame rate and even just having ray tracing checked with reflections and shadows it will hit your frame rate big time. I can' get more than 45 fps inside and can't get more than 25ish when driving with rt on ultra. Even medium it's taxing. I have to go to 1080p and quality and even medium to achieve 60 fps inside and then stilll it's only around 45ish fps when driving and 1080p quality DLSS doesn't look to sharp on a big screen. So..... Yeah.
It's just heavy with ray tracing
All that CPU % is BS untill those clocks are locked and they don't throttle or boost. CPU can switch clocks in ns's and those % I'm prettty sure they are not linked with CPU clocks. As example, my Windows CPU task manager show my clock 3,3-3,5 GHz at idle but it's taking this calculations out of his ass, averaging it very badly. When I use better software it shows that 99,9% time when idle my CPU is like 400-600 MHz. Conclusioin. Telling CPU workload right know is very hard ;)
So basically you're telling me that my brand new 7600X can't max out an a-ok 3 year old game? I guess now I have to buy PCs from NASA for 1B$ to play latest games on low settings, apart from the fact that this 1B$ PC will become garbage-tier in a matter of 1 year. What a times to live in, ffs...
Depends on what you mean by maxed out. The 7600x has roughly the same performance of a 5800x3D. It will get stable and fluid 60+ fps at 1080p ultra and 1440p. At 4 k it might see dips below 60, especially with the different RT presets. But that is to be expected. Even the biggest cpus get sweaty with maxed RT/PT.
I dont get over 20% CPU usage on 12600k/rtx4080 1440p on overdrive and locked 60fps 3120p and only 7-12% CPU no issues with tearing or things. Should I be getting better frames if have 50% more cpu utilization??? Resize bar off
Glad to still have a 9900k. I just upgraded from rtx 2070 to rtx 4070 ti super and get 80 fps with 1440p RT overdrive.
Would you do a video for Cities: Skylines 2? The spec are pretty high, especially for the recommended settings... thanks!