Lunchbox Amps Shootout: Orange JRT | Engl Ironball | Victory V30 | Peavey 6505 MH, High Gain Metal
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- Опубликовано: 21 дек 2019
- Lunchbox amps comparison. Orange Jim Root Terror vs. Engl Ironball vs. Victory V30 "The Countess" vs. Peavey 6505 MH. High Gain Metal riffs, no shredding this time. Tracks with drums and bass, and also without drums and bass... turning knobs.
Sivcak BW7GS guitar plugged straight into the amp, cab used is Engl XXL with V30 speakers, one Audix i5 microphone going to Golden Age Premier Pre 73, that going to interface Zen Studio + (Antelope Audio), recorded in Cubase Pro.
Demo song written by/all music recorded/mixed & mastered by Brian Bajak.
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This has to be one of the best sound comparison videos I've ever watched, not a single second wasted talking or anything else.
The Peavey has the most diverse metal tones w crunch and lead channels w resonance presence and active eq. Price is nice too.
I think the Engl's high gain design has got that perfect mix of Fender-like clarity and Marshall-like roughness.
1. Peavey 6505 MH
2. Engl
3. Orange
4: Victory
this is the best demo i have seen with the Orange JRT for metal tones. I get mine tomorrow and I feel reassured
I gotta say I love ENGL but that Orange sounded better with certain riffs.. wow it sounds so fuckin good
1. Peavey 6505 MH
2. Engl
3. Victory
4. Orange
Great review!
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
WOW MAN! Amazing job!!! thanks! you won a new suscriber.
Great video. You've got a new subscriber. I thought going into this I was going to prefer the Engl, but in your setup I think the Jim Root sounded great.
Very nice demo! Thanks!
Thank you for watching! ;)
Jim Root, 6505 MH , sounded best to my ears. Nice demo!
Very very helpful. That peavey sounded fukn fantastic.
Glad I have a 6505MH on order, it sounds great here!
The new ones are crap, something changed with them because they were pushing out the the Misha mansor mh, I had one from 2015 and it crapped out in 2018 and they sent me a replacement one and it didn't sound the same, same thing happened to philip McKnight
@@TheK20sedan so you wouldn't recommend it?
For me ENGL wins for sound but for the price? Peavy is just too close in sound to justify double the cost.
1. Engl
2. Peavey
3. Orange
4. Victory
Yes I would agree
I like the iron ball but lacking a but of gain. 6505 mh sounds saturated and it's a good one. Jim root sounds nice too.victory sounds boxy.
@@makinuthead try to put an overdrive pedal with the engl
@@marceausimon4478 Spot on! My exact order of preference. It is 40 years now and I still battle to find a 6L6 I like above EL's or KTs. You can clearly hear that bottled up also-can-do sound of the 6L6's in the Victory I so dislike.
Kamarides fajn video a celkove prevedenie 🙂 jen tak dál
Good job mate, luv it!
Man these comments are proof that guitar tone is so subjective. They all something to them and it really depends on what YOU are looking for and what you like about metal tones. Everyone placing the victory last has me realizing where metal tones are currently at. Everyone likes that tight, tone when I think the victory would be very versatile. Nothing an eq, overdrive or presence pedal wouldn’t drastically change or fix.
Thanks for your video! Super helpful.
They’re all amazing, just a matter of preference really - there’s just something about that 5150 growl that makes me a 6505 fanboy, but that’s just a matter of personal preference - fantastic demo my man
Great demo man
Engl just has the sound of Melodic Metal Gods
Great demo. The victory was bottom of the pile. I really liked the sound of the orange, but then when it changed, the engl sounded even better. Between engl and peavy was barely any difference so I would basically be happy with any of these outside of the victory.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
Overall my picks are:
1. Orange
2. Peavey
3. Engl
4. Victory
But for the second riff the Orange and Engl switched places.
In England we'd say "you've really gone to town on this" - meaning seriously good effort and good job!
No we don't say that.
Damn, if anything, this is making my decision harder! Fantastic comparison video. I've got the 6505 and for my next purchase, ENGL is high in the running but damn does that Orange sound good.
Those riffs are badass
Nice job bro, gave you a sub!
I have ENGL ,Orange, and Peavey amps and I guess I am in the minority here but really like the way that the Orange cut through. Even I am surprised.Thanks for sharing man. I dug the demo and whole set up. Keep 'em coming !
Thank you! I am sure, I could live with any of these amps without problems. Unfortunately I don't plan making new tests soon, but if you have time, check some of my older videos. As for the amp tests, all are done on the same cab and the same mic.
I agree, the Orange sounds the fullest and just overall best in this video. Really thought I was going to prefer the Engl, but the Orange sounds great here.
@@krogwaugh Thank You Josh. I believe that I have remedied the situation with a solution. I picked up a new Orange Bax Bangeetar pre-amp that i can use in the Effects Loop and have a fire breathing monster while retaining if not enhancing harmonics and tone. I have the Orange OR15, a Dark Terror, and that Orange SS head. The Bax can be used in conjunction with any set up even one of my modelers so I think this is the ticket. Wish I had some video gear to post up demos on RUclips. I have enough high end high wattage heads and couldn't justify spending 2,500.00 on a Thunderverb nor could I afford it right now. I'm good. Now I can focus on getting another vintage Les Paul Standard or a Mayones. It never ends. I do love the ENGL Savage I must say. Incredible harmonics and gain. I'll have to settle on a patch on that. Peace-
@@krogwaugh I subscribed to your page. What part of the world are you in ? Are you in a band ? send me a fb request if you want.Jimmy Mclarnin Newport Beach.
I typically prefer the sound of orange amps but for me it was like this.
1. Peavey/Engl tied
3. Orange
4. Victory
Bro this video is so sick!!! this helped me too choose between orange and peavey somuch!!!
More than happy to hear this!
Which one did u pick?
I've got myself the Peavy, I hope it's arriving soon xD all ready 2 weeks ago, corona virus fukks it all :( I want my peavy
@@kevinsutter5805 having a similar situation here... new studio monitors delivery delayed due to corona... stay positive, crossing fingers for you ;-)
@@BrianBajak thanks, crossed for you, too :D hoping for the best
From what I hear the 6505MH and the Victory sound the best. The Victory has a pretty unique sound that kinda feels like it's coming from a cave. While the 6505MH feels solid as heck. Like it's emitted from a heavy cube that noone can move and will emit the sound no matter what.
Actually, I plan on getting a 6505MH as an upgrade to my first VOX Pathfinder 10. Feels like it's time..
Like sound of Orange and ENGL
in the mix I like the Engl, then Orange and Peavey. On their own I like the Orange, Peavey, Engl.
They all sound great but the Peavey sounds tightest
Can't make up my mind, guess I will have to buy them all
1. ENGL.
2. Orange.
3. Peavey.
4. Victory
when dat peavey 6505mh kicks in , god says to the doomslayer (Doomguy)
"Rip and tear until it is done!"
I liked the Peavey and the ENGL equally. They sounded very similar. The Orange sounded great as well. I don't know if it was the eq or what, but I thought the Victory sounded like ass compared to the other three. Would be interested to see how the Kraken would fare in this group.
Yeah that victory sounded like steamy shit stuck in an ass
The Victory sounded "hollow". The 6505 sounded like it had a nice harmonizing effect.
Wow, liked the 6505MH best
I still cant decide what to buy.
They all sound great from speakers in front of computer. but what they feel like under the fingers is another thing. The lowend is what make most different for these small boxes.
Great video! ENGL or 6505, not sure, maybe 6505
Finally someone made a vid using the green channel of the MH😀 did u run boost? How would u compare this to the green channel of 6505+?
Btw i love your vids showing the differences between the red and green channel with those kill switch. Engage riffs😈
@@barrygomez5968 Hey man! Thank you! 😎 The Red channel was too much, but I still use it for some djent riffs, low volume practice or so... I didn't have a chance to compare the MH with its big brother side by side, but played both, sometimes in one day, and they sound very close to me. Of course, the feel from 6L6 tubes is always different from those el34s. If I can, I prefer 6L6s, but as the goal is making a music, one can create even with a cheap amp... :-)
Can't decide between Peavey and ENGL.
The orange surprisingly killed it in comparison. The engl sounded great but has that small tube odd low mid resonance. The countess sounds good in its own way. Funky midrange. And the 6505 was a boat anchor. Great video!
nice video tho you deserve way more views
I own the Engl ironball. It is a good amp. I would say that for the money though there are a lot more options out there that would destroy it in real application. You can pick up a Mesa dual rectifier used for the same price and would get a lot more flexibility.
The ironball as 100w head variable wattage would be an awesome move by Engl.
It already exists... the Fireball!
@@fredericpetitpas cheers but the 100watt is not variable wattage...or do you mean the 50watt new version?
@@mazklassa9338 Oh no I was just saying the Fireball as it sounds exactly like the Ironball hahah
@@fredericpetitpas so why did they make Fireball 25?
I like the iron ball but lacking a but of gain. 6505 mh sounds saturated and it's a good one. Jim root sounds nice too.victory sounds boxy.
The engl sounds great but there is somethimg about the v30 I really love
The Countess sounded good. good job on your video
I have a 6505MH that I'm running (with a Boss EQ-200 10-band EQ thru the effects loop...) now, and I was really happy with the tone of it until last night... a friend has the Engl Ironball E606 and it has a waaaaaay better tone without the Graphic EQ going thru it than the 6505MH WITH the EQ thru it...
From my experiences, the pros & cons of each amp are as follows:
*Peavey 6505MH, Pros:
-has plenty of gain on tap for a wide variety of rock and metal genre tones
-controls have a nice wide audible range to them, for a wide variety of tonal shaping
*Peavey 6505MH, cons:
-needs a good 10-band Graphic EQ to really help shape the tones a lot more and better...
-cleans are not good on these amps at all. Even with the gain set relatively low, your tone is still dirty...
-not having a master volume for the whole amp is kind of a downfall. you have to play with the channel pre and/or post gain controls to match the rhythm and lead channels so one is not overbearing when switching...
*Engl Ironball E606, Pros:
-has a much thicker, tighter gain than the 6505MH - even with the gain boost off. But with the gain boost on, it fills in the gain and tone so much more and better...
-the tones available right from this amp are much tighter and better also, WITHOUT having to need & use a 10-band Graphic EQ to help shape it better... Im sure you can re-tweak the EQ to dial it in a tiny bit more and better. but on its own, it's shocking hiw good this amp sounds without it!
-Clean tones are actually that, CLEAN!!! And really good sounding cleans too, not dirty even on the slightest bit unless you dial the gain up or use the gain boost on the amp...
-the master volume control is great to be able to keep your channel volumes more equal easier, while being able to turn the whole amp up or down as needed...an ideal function for either playing out, recording, or playing in your house/bedroom at all hours of the night...
*Engl Ironball E606, cons:
-Not having a resonance control to go with the presence control kinda bites... its nice being able to dial in a little more low end in the power amp section like on the 6505MH or any of the OG 5150/6505 amps... absolutely NOT a deal breaker though... there's enough low that can be dialed in on the bass control and adjusting the high frequencies is easy between the high and presence controls to get this amp sounding fierce...
-the power soak (switchable power level function) works on the 8 ohm output ONLY!!! I guess this is something else that's not necessarily a deal breaker either, since this amp has a master volume control for the whole amp... But would still be nice to be able to run 2x 8 ohm cabs or a single 16 ohm cab with the ability to select the 5W or 1W mode...
-the amps reverb seems to be not at all audible... I've tried playing g with the control on the back multiple times and it seems to have very little or no effect whatsoever... so of your looking for some kind of functiong reverb for this amp, you'll need a good reverb pedal to get it...
So for me, the Engl Ironball is the clear winner between it and the 6505MH... so much so, that I'm considering letting go of my 6505MH (as well as my Classic 20MH, Mesa Head Track, Boss EQ-200 10-band Graphic EQ, and an EVH 5150 III 2x12 cab with a pair of Celestion G12-T75's in it...) go for an Ironball E606... Im that hooked on how good it sounds!!!
1. ENGL - 2. Peavey - ENGL has more definition on the hidden second riff notes specially @ 2:37. Peavey is close but not there. Orange and the V just sucks, some background notes on that riff are just gone!
I think the Engl sounded the best followed by the Peavey.
And that was only the 6505's crunch channel lol ..value for money the Peavey is the clear winner here
All these amps sounded great. I just feel like the V30 speaker's mid range were holding these amps back. ;)
1. Peavey
2. Engl
3~4. O~V
Engl, Victory, Root...in that order
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Ironball all the way for me, just love the voicing and the fact that it doesn’t have that fizz in the distortion 🤘🏻
Lead channel on Peavey has more gain.
Personally, the sound of engl is good. Which amp do you recommend?
I don't dare to recommend one as everyone likes something else, but I liked the engl most in the mix, orange and victory in the rehearsal room, and I found peavey the most versatile.
Here I like ORANGE but hate the crappy symbols. I own the ENGL but changed V1 (Winged C) & V2 (75% GT) and run it mainly on CLEAN set to GAIN = 8 to 10 (using guitar volume to get a clean tone). It improved dramatically for BLUES/ROCK with +10% headroom on the MASTER VOLUME BOOST SWITCH. The Lead is there if I like a much more self-indulgent Solo but I leave that mainly to those that can not play a Solo with good note choice!!! I use an EP BOOST PEDAL to provide a thicker tone with slightly more sustain. Again I can switch that OFF to get to a CLEAN tone when needed thus retain overall tone.
I just could not buy the ORANGE for lettering and limited features unlike that IRONBALL with it all! PLUS the NEW IRONBALL has even more!!!! However, I am eager to test the new FIREBALL 25 😀
funny for me i love the symbols. I also have no problems with a bass and a treble clef as I know what they mean. its like 5 knobs man its not that hard to figure out LOL
Is the Engl the only one not made in Asia?
Yea bro, thanks for the video... I was wanting to compare the ironball to the 6505. The Vic sounds like shit. I wouldn't have thought that. My favorite in the ironball.
Sranda :) najviac sa mi páči Jim Root
Aj mne.😉 Preto som si ho pred pár dňami zakúpil spolu s PPC 112 boxom. Masaker sound 😉👍
Orange and 6505 most furious.
1. Orange 2. Peavey.
Honestly didn’t care for the rest. Thanks! Cool vid!
Peavey or Orange
The Monster from The Black Forest-ENGL IRON BALL is a fuckin Beast...
Engl Ironball #1, Peavey 6505 MH #2, Orange JRT #3, Victory V30 dead last. the Peavey has the best price point.
i hate the comp sound of any el 84 amp.i own evh lbx and dusting at the corner.still playing with my old ironheart.i thing the new fb 25 loaded with 6l6 will take my money
Engl and Peavey. Orange best gain range adjustment, sounds also good but not that punchy as Engl and Peavey. Victory didnt sound well even during EQ adjustment. So now which of thouse 3 at top has better clean, other options, controlable loudness etc...Even Engl for my ears has a bit much modern smell I would gues that clean will be quit usable + watt power reduction etc...Hm...?
Try the Engl on clean channel , you''ll be surprised (it's great)
All I have to say is ENGL!!!
Orange is most organic imo
Engle all in
39,000 views on this vid alone and only 925 subs - people suck. As if it’s hurt you to sub!?!? But would it help this dude??? F Ya!! This took a long time to put together.... I appreciate it.
Many thanks, bro, I feel you! Also, I didn't make a new video for a long time, but there will be something new soon.
You convinced me!!!
I came here by accident, looking for confirmation whether I did the right thing by buying the Peavey 6505 MH (it has not reached me yet). I know how much work and time it takes to make a video like this. Appreciate and give me my subs right away. I hope that someday I will record how my Peavey works - especially since I built a 2x12 cab for him, made of 18mm birch plywood.
1 orange--2 engl--3 peavey
Lead channel on the 6505mh sounds so much better lol
ENGL 🤟🏻
Za mna:
1.Engl
2.Victory
3. + 4. Boat anchors
These ara great sound everyone but one thing is missing, it jumps in the air and kicks like hell when you put overdrive, there isn't any blues or rock sound harmonic overdrive but all the way to death metal
1. Engl Ironball
2.Peavey 6505 MH
3. Orange
4: Victory
Za mna:
1. Peavey
2. Engl
3. Orange
4: Victory
ENGL and 6506 are great IMO. The Orange was a close second. The Victory sounded terrible.
Wow, the Victory and the Orange sounded absolutely awful. The Engl and the Peavey however sounded great!
Compared to the Ironball they all sound like they got a blanket over them Ironball all the way
Engl - peavey -orange - victory (last)
0:12
0:36
1-engl
peavey
orange
v30
Engl wins ! Orange was nice. Didn't care for the Victory but the Peavey sounds like a cheap solid state compared to the others.
Orange...so easy.
Orange is more open.
This is a terrible nitpick... but anyone else annoyed by the fonts on the Engl knobs?
ENGL
1 engl 1.3 orange 1.5 peavey .......8 victory
Engl
6505 win
For the price point the dark terror is perfect
If you got the budget get the engl
My choice
1.engl
2.jim root
3.victory
4.5150