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2023 KTM 300 XC Review and why I'm not 100% sold
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Here is my brutally honest opinions and my first impressions regarding the brand new 2023 KTM 300 XC. I'm really excited about this brand new bike..but I also have my reservations!
Few questions answered include; How Reliable is KTM's TBI Engine? What issues did I have with my 2023 KTM 300 XC and many more!
Contents of this Video
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - What is the difference between TBI and TPI
2:14 - TBI Review
3:43 - New KTM TBI Reliability Thoughts
9:00 - Owners Manual Frustration
12:00 - I can't believe I had this issue
13:00 - What I've added to my 300 XC
I’ve definitely experienced a pretty amazing low-end grunt on my TBI. The white map definitely helps it stay in the lower revs on the tight, nasty stuff. Best bike I’ve ridden! 🤘
KTM just does an amazing job putting tons and tons of power into these bikes.
Rich is referring to fuel
50:1 will not cause issues
40:1 will not cause issues
30:1 will not cause issues
20:1 will not cause issues
My brother runs 15:1 in his yz250 mx
For putting around - go up a heat range B7ES or equivalent. The TBI was really the iphone of dirt bikes and now KTM has taken a step back with pre-mix on the XC's because they got so much bad press when competition bikes seized from marginal oiling (70 to 90:1) done for emissions reasons. I personally think its great but I'm a carb kind of 2 stroke rider so I want jets and oil ratios I can tweak depending on the conditions and altitude. I hate the way my 2023 Beta 390 adjusts the idle as an example. I'm thinking may be you should have bought the EXC - it is still TBI and has oil injection and is a great bike for entry level guys and gals, that want zero maintenance riding
Definitely have a point. I’m kind of missing the TPI. I could put around with my kids and had zero issues. I get it’s a competition bike….need to up the rpms.
Regarding fouled plugs - Not sure if this is relevant, but my 2021 TPI bike used an excessive amount of fuel for the first 5 hours or so - like literally after 50km I would be on reserve and nursing it back home. But after 5 hours it suddenly, miraculously doubled it's range. My theory is that it is set to run very rich from the factory during the initial run-in period and after a certain time it switches to the regular map. I have no evidence to support this, but the exact same thing happened on a friend of mine's bike - also 2021 TPI.
Mine has definitely gotten better. I was fouling the most in the cooler months. I’ve replaced one out of maintenance the last few months.
Ok first, "set to run rich" is referring to a fuel/air mixture, not your oil/gas mix ratio.
Adding more oil to your fuel mixture actually leans the air/fuel mixture out. Many people think it's the opposite. More oil equals less gas molecules. 32:1 is a leaner air/fuel mixture than 60:1. So if you go from 60:1 to 32:1 you may have to richen, jet up, larger jets.
Fouling plugs is a to rich fuel/air mixture problem, not to much oil in your gas mixture. Fouling is caused by excessive fuel not being burned.
Spooge and excessive smoke is a rich air/fuel problem also, not to much oil. This is fixed by proper jetting (jetting down, leaner) or ECU mapping on a TPI or TBI bike.
The 2023 300 comes with a 8 heat range plug, in years past they came with a hotter 7 heat range plug. Many people are now switching to a 7 plug The NGK BR7EIX Iridium is a much better choose than the cheaper BR7ES or 8 plugs. Much higher quality plug that has a much stronger and more consistent spark, which the plug can still produce while getting lower voltage from the motor. This is very important when you're going slow in tight terrain and the stator is putting out less juice.
Letting these new bikes warm up and idle for a long time will cause plug fouling issues. They do have a richer fuel/air mixture, especially at startup.
Use the proper oil and mix it at the ratio which the oil manufacture recommends. Don't mix yamalube at 60:1 instead of 32:1, and don't mix motul 710 or 800 at 32:1.
Here's a very informative video on the right plugs to use in these bikes posted by Jeff Slavens last week. - ruclips.net/video/qRRdagFnXTw/видео.html
Thanks man, that makes a ton of sense. I've heard of the folks switching to the BR7 Plug and I'm trying to understand the pluses to irdium. My biggest concern is blowing this thing up...I ride a lot with my kids and I'm not looking to go full send 24/7 (but absolutely love the KTM power). Won't the BR7 make the bike run a bit hotter?
@@TheDirtMotoRider No, not at all in this case. It's the combustion temperature that heats the plug... not the other way around A plug's heat range only dictates how quickly a plug allows the transfer of heat to the cylinder head or water jacket. A higher heat range means the plug will cool more slowly, causing it to stay hotter during operation, while a cooler plug dissipates heat more quickly and runs at a colder temperature. Hot spark plugs have more insulation to transfer the heat slowly, which keeps the temperature high enough to burn off carbon deposits and avoid premature fouling. Which is why with the richer fuel/air mixture of the 23 TBI bikes, especially during startup, that hotter plug is the right choice. Now as Jeff mentioned in the video I included above, if you were riding at high speed for a prolong period of time, such as a long distance desert race. In this situation your combustion chamber and cylinder head temperatura is going to be much higher. The cooler plug could be the right choice to help prevent preignition or detonation. If you pull a plug and it has blisters on the insulator tip, melted electrodes, or white deposits, these are signs the plug is running to hot. Cold spark plugs are good for high RPM engines and other situations where the engine operates at a high temperature. Because they transfer heat faster, cold spark plugs can get dirty and become fouled sooner because they don’t get hot enough to burn off carbon deposits. A lean air/fuel mixture would require a colder plug also. It's a little head spinning at times lol.
@@racesla Thank you! I rode yesetrday with a buddy, our trails are pretty muddy at the moment, but I was definetely up in the RPMs. I pulled the plug last night and it was just completely black and covered in oil. I picked up a BR7EIX this morning and just installed it. I'm looking forward to trying it out. Thanks for all the information, greatly appreciated!!
For enduro/ harder trails I prefer TPI. For motocross TBI is much better.
I’m right with you. I’m kinda looking for a used TPI bike…Husky 300 TI or something in that range. Good stuff either way and you can never have enough bikes!!!
And for now is the best moto I have ride, amizing the tx300 , the suspension is just WOW
You can change the spark plug without removing the tank you have to remover the seat and lift the tank a little bit but you don’t need to pull tank can leave the bolts in the radiator shroud too
Great point...haha wish I tried that!
My buddy actually showed me when I went to do it there’s just barely enough room to get a wrench and swap it. The boot is still tight and hard to work in there though
If you are fouling plugs you are on the wrong bike go faster mine has 67 hours and no fouled plug yet. You should also set up your sag and air forks before you ride. I use a RAVEN Closed Cartridge Fork conversion and it made this bike incredible. I would recommend going spring conversion if you are serious about riding at all.
Agree to disagree. My TPI didn't have this issue at all and sometimes you have to go a little slower through technical trails. I'm in the northeast and riding with studs currently, you just can't always go all out. Sag is set, new spring is on the bike, and air released from fork before and after each ride.
That's just silly. And it is poor advice.
I agree.... screw air forks
Been watching dirt bike reviews and RUclips recommended this video. I have a Beta Xtrainer and all I do is putput around in the woods. Same plug after 90 hours, but I can change it without removing any screws if needed. It has oil injection so I don't have to mix gas and oil. It doesn't have air forks. My biggest complaint is that the speedometer doesn't work sometimes, but that's it. Maybe look at a different bike?
After about 7 hours or so the bike has been AWESOME. I’m going on 25 and I’m very happy and have only changed a plug since due to maintenance. The update made a good difference. The bike is killer!
With larger bore bikes you need a special 2 stroke oil that actually burns otherwise you’ll foul plugs non stop. I was using H1R on my 250 and after fouling so many plugs I was told to try motorex. Never fouled a plug after the switch. It apparently has a lower burning temp so you don’t get the buildup.
Yea, I think you're right. I flushed out the gas that was in my KTM and noticed they wern't using Motorex! I just swapped it out and we will see. Thanks!
Let the oil wars begin..
I've seen the same issue with the fork sag during transport to the point it sits an inch or two lower than it should. Usually when transporting in the cold. After that I've confirmed pressure, thrown them on a stand and they're good to go. Definitely a unique "issue" to the 23 XC/SX forks. Seem to perform well still though.
A little bit grunty?…compared to my TPI the TBI is a top fueler…..
50:1 or 60:1 - that is not was caused the plug to foul. Probably just not staying on the pipe all the time. It's not really an issue unless you can't carry and extra plug with you. Back in the day, we ALWAYS carried extra plugs - and we expected to foul it.
Yea I’m definitely not revving the bike much at all. There’s nothing but snow and ice around and I’m definitely taking it easy. Just picked up some studded tires, so I’ll get on it a little more pretty soon.
Try a br7es plug and you will be happy . In slow technical riding it’s much better.
That’s a great idea. I might do this after I get a few more hours on the bike.
The fuel pump needs to be installed at the bottom of the tank not where they have it positioned.
The stator should have enough power to run lights and radiator fan without running the battery down over time and it does.
KTM needs to install a better piston. Some owners are having big problems with piston blowing up in pieces
The dealer have way over priced these bike because they are greedy.
He said 10,000 bike , what ! try 12,700 from some dealers.
I lucked out on the price I paid, but my dealer was awful and would have gladly paid $1K more to get a little assurance. I bought my son a ATV and they took $2K off the price of the KTM (and a little amount off his ATV) and I bought out of state, so no tax. I’m really concerned about the piston issues I’ve heard, fingers crossed man.
The piston issue it's exclusively the tpi models. Not the tbi.
@@Dat_Sun ...Wrong , there are people having problems with the 2023 TBI models also.
@@goodboyringo9716 Not the piston problems. The only issues with the TBI bikes have been powervalve code related (i am one of them). Can you provide a link to a tbi bike with a piston problem? Another thing, There is about 30 extra watts available from the stator. This is enough to run a headlight and the Rocky Mountain fan without problems. Look at Highland cycles for reference.
@@Dat_Sun .... RUclips has videos of guys having problems
Love the new bikes. New subscriber! -Ohio
I am about ready to pull the trigger and get this bike. Im still debating between this bike and the 300 XC-W. There are definitely a few things that I like about the XC but like you, the riding around here is more rocky and lots of roots. Im hoping that the dealership I buy this bike from does a better job prepping it than yours did. I would have been pissed if that happened to me.
XC-Ws are pretty much unchanged for 2023, but will be different in 2024. A lot of guys who I ride with have the XC-Ws and love them. Little different suspension and transmission separate these two (and a light). You’ll be happy either way, good luck with your dealer! Most KTM dealers are great. Go to one that sponsors locally, they are usually the best. I just went for the lowest price unfortunately.
XC-W
KTM just announced switching the XC suspension to spring vs. air on the 2023 XC.
Use a hotter plug by 1 heat range.. such as BR7EIX
Curious now that you've had a chance to ride it - how do you like the tbi engine vs the tpi? How is the new XC for a casual rider? I'm on the fence about buying a 23 on sale or going with a GG tpi.
I REALLY love the TBI engine, as far as raw power goes, the TBI is insane and is the clear winner. However the TPI is excellent all around in my opinion and something I’d rather be on while I’m riding with my kids (going slower). Im actually looking for a 2021 low hour TPI bike.
With that said, you can’t go wrong either way. If you’re riding with kids or a beginner, you might have some issues with fouling plugs on the tbi. You really need to clear it out or it will foul up on you. I never had that issue with my TPI, the plugs lasted over 20 hours, but the power difference is telling.
If you’re looking for just an insanely powerful bike, the TBI is the way to go, but I’m a casual rider who still is in the white (slower map) and I’m completely content. Green map is pretty intense for trail riding.
Good luck either way!!!
The new TBI XC doesn't have the grunt the TPI has with a good TPI tune from TSP. The TBI XC is more of a fast paced runner, where the TPI tuned bike is more of a tractor that can certainly run out extremely good. Most guys that buy TBI XC's can't ride them like they are meant to be ridden and they are not good enough riders for the bike. That's when you see lots of these same guys getting hurt.
The foul plug issue has been solved with a dealer update.
I’ve received every update available, my plugs are still fouling. I get what you’re saying about riding style, but most of us are riding northeast single track - lookup black fly hare scramble. As far as skill goes, most of us are riding beyond our ability….it’s the incremental improvements that at least gets me back on the trail.
Buyin plugs w/ 2-strokes is par for the course. Unfortunately.
I just bought my tx300 2023, and 0 problems, no lights, and the thing with the plug u are going to slow, remember this motos are 2t, and I do 1:50 no problem I got 4 hrs
do u get a bit of oil residue out of the exhaust at the end of your ride? Im using 60:1 which is slightly richer than 50 and i get it after every ride so maybe i should drop it back to 50... but im definitely not on the pin the whole ride so maybe thats the cause. Havent fouled the plug yet but it does miss sometimes off idle
So if you were doing a lot of slower technical riding with just the occasional rip would you choose a TPI? That's mostly my riding so I am thinking a TPI might be more suited to me. The TBI's look like fun when you're ripping along, but I also don't have any desire to hurt myself from crashing at speed. Ha!
So back in January I would have said yes, TPI! But with the recent dealer updates and knowledge on these bikes, I’d say go with the TBI. You can’t go wrong either way, but I’m really loving my TBI now and mostly ride technical. I upgraded to a Recluse Clutch and GPR5 stabilizer and it’s a beast in the woods!
So you're not fouling plugs anymore? I'm considering a leftover '23 Gasgas Ex 300 TPI (basically an XC) or a '23 KTM 250XC TBI.
Have you had any software updates besides the one for hitting the starter button while running? @@TheDirtMotoRider
@@GNR325 Not anymore!
Good to know. Consensus seems to be to go TBI. If I go 250XC I'll make sure it has the latest update. @@TheDirtMotoRider
I add oil to my gas on oil injection bikes
Beta and husky and tm racing
No issues
Euro 5 emissions requires less oil , more oil is better
My 2022 is trail ridden and seized at 7.2 & 7.4 hours. The second time KTM put a new crate motor into it with a new oil pump and it ran better than it ever had.
After putting 4 hours on the new motor I converted 2022 XC TPI to TBI, premix, Coober ECU, S3 head, BR7EIX sparkplug & adjusted the air bypass screw inward (which improved throttle response & richened it also).
It then ran like a 100% better bike. Power at all rpms. Can putt along at idle speed for minutes then open the throttle and it responds.
KTM owners (free) & shop manuals are available on line at KTM.
I did the conversion to TBI,....before KTM came out with the 2023.
Forks are never called shocks
Yea I work in automotive and I catch myself saying shocks / absorbers all the time.
I got the 5 blink FI light too, but I watched enough videos to know what it was. It rode like crap with that light on. Super rich to the point it wouldn’t rev out.
I’d like to hear your thoughts after 10ish hours on the firmware update
Yea man, my oil was literely leaking out of the exhaust and onto the ground after a ride. Much better after the update. Are you running 60:1? My dealer put 50:1 in my first tank...thinking of going to 60:1 as the manual recommends.
My 23 250xc won't rev out. 0 hours, tried it once, total 20 minutes, It runs like it's cold all of the time. Would not rev out, dealer wants money to look at it because I waited over a month due to deep snowfall here in the rockies. This is my 2nd new KTM bike in less than a year both have major issues.
@@TheDirtMotoRider tbh I’m not really sure. I measured out for 50:1 to be safe but spilled some due to wind when pouring it in. Then added what I thought spilled back to the gas can. Then got paranoid and added some directly to the bike tank. I might be as low as 35:1 with a FI light on.
Mine is definitely user error. But I’m also thinking these bikes run a little rich from the factory. They recommend 60:1, and have been getting not the best fuel mileage. Those 2 things seem to point in the same direction
@@TheDirtMotoRider update:
It was definitely the FI light. Got it cleared, cleaned the silencer, went for a ride, no more drip
One of the most expensive companies besides beta and theres always problems with these . Go team blue
Beta is much more affordable than KTM/CFmoto. Better quality parts and better warranty.
Do you know what the difference is in maintenance between 300 XC and 350 XCF? Thanks
I'm pretty sure the chassis is the same,but the xc is a 2 stroke engine vs the xcf, which is a 4 stroke engine. You can checkout the KTM site and find the manual to see all the detail.
@@TheDirtMotoRider
OK, thanks, yes, that much I know. But since I do not have a preference between a 2t or 4t with these two bikes, need to look at other factors to aid in a decision. Trying to figure out maintenance between the two, engine, reliability, and what kind of upkeep do you need between the two
Post the EBay info please
I think it’s changed. The guy was very religious. Hope that helps.
Wtf, take the tank off to change a spark plug? I have a 2017 300 xc and its not necessary to remove the tank to get to the spark plug. Sure you are doing it right?
Yea there is just no way to even see the plug on the new 300XC without taking the tank off. It literally forms around the frame not allowing you to get in there.
@@TheDirtMotoRider was going to mention that it might be worth taking to another dealer to have them set it up again. Sounds like your dealer has some real POS putting bikes together. I haven’t had any mechanical issues with mine except for the stupid FI glitch that they fixed/updated. And in the Huskies the fuckers baited and switched and put Braktec brakes after guaranteeing Brembo (still working on that) and put MX chains when they were spec’d with X-ring, which they did remedy after complaining to customer service a couple times. Other than that the bike has been flawless so far. 10.7 hours and counting.
Hey man, yes! I just got back a little while ago from another dealer that was awesome! Installed the Map Update and also took a look at my suspension. Feeling much better now! Glad your enjoying the bike, I've only put on 1 hour, I'm very jealous of the 10+ hours you've got on yours!!!!
@Dirt Moto Rider you only need to pull 5 screws and lift the tank 2 or 3 inches to access the plug. Fyi
If you had an EXC you would have to. Don't know what's the problem with that, already have to do it on mine. Plus it doesn't need to get all the way out. Anyway, only once or twice in about 5 years did the plug foul. (250 Six Days Spain by the way).
I don’t think any manufacturer supplies an actual manual these days, Beta and Sherco certainly don’t 🤷🏼♂️. It’s pretty shit, but par for the course unfortunately.
Yea, it definetely stinks not having a paper copy. Oh well.
Sherco does I have a 23 with manual, Beta and Ktm when with pdf
@@rafy600 Yeah I have a 22 Beta so I know you get a PDF manual, we’re talking about a proper paper manual.
My 2018 KTM came with a proper manual but shortly after they stopped.
@Michael Hodge yes I know. That's what I'm saying that Sherco gives a paper manual. Beta and ktm stop doing paper and when with pdf
@@rafy600 Not sure how but I managed to delete/overwrite the original bit of my comment which read something like: “oh really? I didn’t think Shercos did. My friend recently bought a ‘22 SE250 here in the UK and I thought he said didn’t get one… turns out he did! 😂”
wrong oil and way too rich of a mixture is usually the problems most people are causing with these bikes
Yea dealer wasn’t using motorex and I think it was actually richer then 50:1. I swapped out the fuel and noticed a big difference.
Its much cheaper to build a tbi vs tpi , so more profit for the manufacturer
Definitely fewer moving parts for sure. Also sounds like the transmissions will all be the same eventually when the XCW moves to TBI next year.
I love mine, but man does it eats spark plugs!
Yes they do haha
I've never taken a brand new bike apart. Just ride it. Maintain as needed.
Not sure what you’re riding, but there is a very minimal amount of grease applied in the steering head / Stem bearings, axels, swing arms, and etc in mostly every KTM I’ve ever owned. I should have done a before and after picture cause it’s pretty staggering.
Every ktm I have owned has came to me from the factory bone dry. I grease the steering head, linkage, swingarm before I ever rode them. They’re very stingy with grease from the factory. Along with the axles, wheel bearings etc. Everything that needed to be greased I’ve had to grease before I ever rode it. Taking it apart and making sure a brand new 10k + bike is greased properly is good maintenance if you asked me.
@@Drewski423 Definetely!
@@TheDirtMotoRider he’s probably the guy that shows up to each ride with the previous rides mud still on his bike. And the one that cuts the ride short because something on his bike tore up.
I've never bought a bike that I didn't tear down completely BEFORE ever riding or racing it for the first time. Anyone who doesn't do that, is a clown and/or a noob waiting to crash.
That bike is 12400 at the dealer now if you got it for 10 you stole it
Yea I got a good deal, but the dealer was AWFUL. I also picked up a ATV for my youngest son so we saved a bit there and there wasn’t any tax or registration fees.
Around my area they are currently selling for 9k OTD price
@@oregonskate where at?
@@jromem7313 Power motorsports
@@oregonskate I hear that, we have some good sales going around here right now. I am not a KTM/Husky/Gasgas guy but the prices are getting hard to resist. Still....want....a....Beta....but $$$$$ difference is tempting.
Not sold… you bought the f-ng bike
15 hours in now…..absolutely loving it! But at first, too many issues and dealers who didn’t know how to setup the bike out of the crate.
Best dam bike I ever owned period