Hidden Surprise in DNA Uncovers a Rich Family History
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- On this episode of RUclipsr Family Trees, I dive into the family tree of Steve Heimler from @heimlershistory. A surprise DNA percentage from Ancestry DNA redirected my research focus and led me to an extremely interesting family history.
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hey, I'm from Poland and I'd like to give you a hint about one thing. if the surname ends in "ski", the female form of the surname will be "ska", for example Helena Cegielska and Leon Cegielski not Leon Cegielska.
Thank you for saying this. I actually didn't know this, and I have been confuses by my great-grandmother's maiden name of Sniegowska, and why it had so many different spellings. It has even been changed to Snow and Snoe. I see these on my many DNA cousins. I still haven't been able to trace back from her. I don't have any birth records for my grandfather in Bremond Texas. So, I can't get anywhere in my maiden name of Walker. Many mysteries...very few DNA matches to the name Walker.
Balkan thing. Bulgaria has the same Arabic too. Female is with A
When I immigrated, my last name (ending became ski) my female child and mine is being changed legally to end in (a). Hoping to go back home soon.
Also polish female names use to end also in (a). Noticing that names were shifted in the endings.
Some Polish, German etc are very long last names. Folks started to shorten them. I still have a family member with a last name of Flackenstein.
I have a very similar experience. I learned through my AncestryDNA test that I am part Lebanese. That was a real mystery. I researched this extensively and uncovered a real family secret. I don’t think my grandfather ever knew.
What was the family secret?
A subscriber to my channel (finding my hidden heritage) recommended your channel and WOW. I am in love with this channel! Im no genealogist BUT I do think uncovering family stories can change the world for the better.
I’m a genealogist (in the South Bend area, as it happens), & i just love finding these rich backgrounds that have been lost in people's family history. It's crazy that so few people keep historical records of their own lives, especially the immigrants.
@Tysto I agree. I do my own genealogy ( in Indiana too). I was told by my older relatives some of the family history but I have found out so much more doing research myself. My father's side is Amish and my mother's is English, Irish, Scottish, and Welsh.
Without public records, especially church records, I wouldn't know much about my ancestry.
Would you help me locate some of mine I'm having trouble with?
@@irish4329how do you do research by your own? I’ve absolutely no idea where to start
I’m also in South Bend! I learned that I actually have French ancestors who came here by way of Quebec, and they are buried in the first row on notre dame avenue. I always thought they were Dutch because the surname is DeGraff, but it actually comes from the French “DeCaraffe.”
This was incredible and so well done. The history of what happened towards the end, in that town, has no words.
I can't say enough good things about this. The story itself, they way you researchedand told it. I am in awe thanksfor putting out great work like this and inspiring me.
Loved this tree search. Frank is a common name and often a shorten Jewish name. I have Frankensteins from the village of Frankenstein in old Silesia. Also, a ton of Franks that settled in Chicago.
yeah
makes me think of Anne Frank who was a Jewish girl that was killed by the Nazis
I am honestly astonished and moved by the intensity and depth of the family history you found, even back to 6th greatgrandparents (and a bit envious, too because of all the brick walls in my tree.)
The amount of research you did, and information you were able to find, is amazing. Well done.
I recommend Family search. Ancestry is really good too, but will require a subscription for $39.99 /month. Family search is free. They both are awesome especially if combined (used together).
Dear GeneaVlogger, I wonder how long it takes you to make a tree like this and find the stories behind it as far as you can. It must take you ages!
When I first saw the name Frank/Franks on the tree I knew that would be the Jewish ancestor. I've met dozens of people with the last name "Frank" and at least 90% of them have of Jewish ancestry. The rest have been American Indian ancestry.
Yes! Certainly! The most famous "Frank" in my memory was Anne Frank whose Father survived to tell their story. Anne's diary still speaks after her voice was silenced.
Did you ignore or miss 'Yiddish as the language on the census records ?
My wife family is also from South Bend, Indiana they immigrated from Hungary, family names Klein and Feuerstein. She did 23andme dna test.
Hi I am Peruvian mestizo, US-born, who has been trying to do some genealogy on my own and finding some interesting names down the line. My maternal grandfather has a French last name that I was able to trace to Bordeaux. However, AncestryDNA and MyFamilyTreeDNA do not show “France”, though Basque comes up. On my paternal lineage, I was able to trace back a few generations and started to find a name Jose, that was also Josef, and Yosef, then Yusef. I know many conversos (converted Muslims) and crypto-Jewish Iberians were migrating from Catholic Spain. I was also able to make some links to a potential ancestry that matches with this migration pattern through Spanish Inquisition in the American Viceroyalty of Peru. Besides all that, I’m just curious what role religion played in my ancestry and confirmation of the Alhambra Decree (Expulsion) descendants (not just for Portuguese citizenship, though why not?)
One last name also of interest is my maternal great-grandmother with the last name “Portugal”. It suggests a lot but also difficult to trace bc of maternal names not being recorded consistently.
Of course I would also love to identify my Andean ancestors if even possible.
I’ve ordered a Nebula test and studying some genetics at a university so hoping that will be helpful down the line also.
French DNA does not show up in any tests because DNA kits are illegal in France. So there’s no samples in the database. The best they can give you is a little English, Irish and Scandinavian. Google this.
@@AmyMichelleMosier Really???? are they illegal???
@@lollolowski8956 commercial DNA testing is illegal, ofc they have DNA testing for paternity test and police work. But yeah only sporadic databases exist, mostly from French customers buying tests abroad (which is legally speaking in a grey area but somewhat tolerated)
The french thing is interesting to me as my maiden name is french. We have trased back to about 1500 to the Nord area. The family eventually had to flee to Canterbury due to religious persecution. But would have loved to get DNA matches for any relative that stayed in France. Our other problem is that our name means "of Spain. But we find no connection to Spain. In England, these immigrants formed their own church and married within that church. So all the mothers were French too but we cant tie them back to France so tons of dead ends.
@@janetcarlson4923 I’ve seen the last name d’espaigne in Cuba too (not Cuban) so weird.
Hi jarret. If i remember correctly, someone from the most recent british who do you think you are series also has jewish ancestry from mariempole(?sp) in Lithuania. It could be sue perkins.
I appreciate many of the different series you've created on your channel. I would love to have a short clip at the end of these videos showing the RUclipsrs reactions to what you found (particularly since Mr. Heimler is likely well-versed in history). Thanks for all you do!
Let me know if you want a real challenge finding a RUclipsr's family tree. 😄
Challenge accepted.
this collab is giving me LIFE
Looking forward to the vid 😁
This is so cool! I am of Lithuanian ancestry, and struggle to find much if anything about my ancestry because my great great grandfather refused to tell anybody anything about his origin or family. I think he had a falling out with his family that resulted in him bailing for America in 1900.
Have you considered DNA testing? 🤔
Yep I tried asking my grandma moms and she yelled at me. I won't bother asking my grandma.
During WWII, lots of things were left hidden, important documents lost, fir Jewish women who were married to Germans, paperwork had to be altered, otherwise Hitler would have them dragged off. Kaszubs did what they could to survive the hideous war.
I doubt the name Frank comes from a French Jewish Napoleonic soldier, but maybe Prussian, Polish, or German. Nachman Frank that was hung probably by Russians who were forcibly banning the culture of the local people, was born in Marijampole, so the surname Frank was in town prior to Napoleonic army. I doubt Heywusz was a soldier that "left" the army in the middle of the war, married, had kids, and settled along with his brother Abram. It is more likely Heywusz was a local born in Marijampole son of Chaim, enabling him to run a business handing it down to his son while the town was being attacked, invaded and changed to a Russian town along with surviving the Napoleonic war being part of Prussia.
Well done! What a job sleuthing that out!
Wow, amazingly meticulous research. I love the connections you make with concurrent events.
This is a great video! I am in Michigan and my maternal line goes back in Michigan to the 1840s.
The symbol for Naftali is also a deer which goes with Zvi and Hersh
very interesting
So, I was trying to think of ways that the story about Havish Franks being from France could be true since him being a Napoleonic soldier doesn't quite line up with him having Jewish children... but I do know, at least within the religious communities I grew up in, the belief that "mother determines religion, father determines politics" held quite true. So, is it possible that Havish was indeed perhaps a French Catholic? A catholic church and monastery was built in the area in 1758. In my very quick and cursory google search, I can't seem to find where the monks came from but quite possibly they were Franco or Prussian... It would make sense geographically. And I don't know about then, but I do know when religious orders have relocated here in the US, it hasn't been uncommon for them to be followed by parishioners. (There's a cloister of nuns that's a closed order in upstate NY that relocated sometime in the 1900s from Quebec (for a more peaceful, rural existence) and there arrival also brought in a small enclave of French-Canadians to the area, most of whom who'd grown up going to mass at that chapel. So, is it possible that when the monks arrived... or when they opened a school in the early 1780s... parishioners followed?... either for a new start in life in general or with a zeal to help spread their religion?
I do know Frank/Franks can be a shortened form of Frankenstein as someone else pointed out... but aren't the -stein surnames far more heavily associated with German ancestry vs Russian/Lithuanian/Polish ancestry?
My family also had a Napoleonic character, involved with a particular bank. The bank acknowledges the story but says they have no corroborating evidence to prove or disprove. Fascinating history!
Awesome, AWESOME information!
How INTERESTING!
Thanks GeneaVlogger.
I like these videos the best, I think, of all you do. It's real genealogy.
You're awesome GeneaVlogger! I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for what you do & please keep them coming!
My best wishes to you & to all.
Well done. I have ancestors through DNA from Germany. After fleeing to different parts of the world, and some to the US, they changed the last name due to religious persecution …
You would be a great Search Angel, who help people find their biological parents. This was really interesting and impressive.
Thank you! I actually am a Search Angel (www.searchangels.org/volunteers) and also work as an Investigative Genetic Genealogist.
Excellent work! Both the research and the presentation are top notch. It’s strange to hear Steve mention my hometown.
Super fascinating. How amazing for him to go from almost no information to such a rich story!
So helpful.. I am searching for my mother’s paternal grandparents.. my grandfather was in an orphanage.. thank you
Very interesting. I'd live to see your guest's response to all this . Also, I will be checking out his sites.
The Dutch line came from Zundert the birthplace of van Gogh 👍
Fascinating!
Are you gonna plan to y-dna test the Franks, to help confirm if they are closely related or not.
Also great video
I had considered and have suggested it to a few of Steve's Frank relatives to try out.
Fascinating.
That was such a fascinating video!
That's an interesting family story.
You did a great job!
I knew as soon as you said the last name BROWN, there would be more Scotland than Ireland. My mom was a Brown who thought she traced to Northern Ireland too....nope in comes ULSTER SCOTS.....went back another generation and YUP Scotland. Brown is the second most common surname in Scotland. Many became Ulster Scots for the free land in Northern Ireland when the King wanted to oust the Catholics.
Yes, that's what I wanted to say, Bokori is Hungarian, and Woznyak is polish. I m hungarian.
Excellent work, wow.
The new parent distribution is nice added detail and hopefully more names associated ( either that have or not tested)
can be added.
So intersting! Its incredible how much info you can get from records!
I’m watching your video now. You just stated you couldn’t get a death certificate from a certain state for another 5 years. My question is, can’t a family member get it? Just curious.
Wow. Your knowledge is extensive.
Can you do a video on how to fix inconveniences, unless I haven't found it yet. In that case, thanks, I'll find it.
Fascinating. I have a gt gt grandfather who was born in Lithuania, except it wasn't Lithuania back then. It's not been a line I have researched as yet.
Wow Great history!
Such an interesting video wow I wonder how many jews were in the Napoleonic army that tried to invade Russia?
A historical note about 4204 Clements St. and 3490 Outer Drive. That is the westside of Detroit. The majority of Jews during that time lived on the westside of Detroit and eventually moved North into the suburbs from that area. There are old synagogues still in the neighborhoods which are now Baptist Churches. West of Woodward Avenue has been typically known as the Westside.
What an interesting story! Great video!
Can you do this with Hispanic ancestry? Specifically northern Mexico / South Texas.
I am currently working on research the family tree of Cinthia Reyes who will be an upcoming guest on the series - www.youtube.com/@CinthiaReyes
Truly amazing
What do you charge to help with family trees? I hit a dead end with one ancestor (a GG Grandfather). A article in the L.A. Times tells about where he was born but there are no names of his parents or siblings. His death certificate was signed by a couple with a different last name. I haven’t been able to find a birth record either. There’s a good possibility that he changed his name when he moved to CA as it wasn’t difficult to do so at the time. I’m stumped!
Where do we sign up for you to analyze our family history? I would LOVE your help with my grandmother's tree. She inherited 30% Danish/Swedish from her father and we have NO idea where this is coming from. Could also use help on my paternal Finnish lines.
I honestly wish you could do this to me there's lot my dna I'd like figure out through family tree there's lot qustions I have that the tree we do have doesn't explain 😕
Excellent series!
I wish someone like you can help me with my family journey. Let of road blocks for me. Smh
Oh shit, Mr. Beat? You mean he's also related to Matt Baker of Useful Charts as well??
We're all related! But yes, I know the exact connection between them all as well as a few other youtubers who will be coming up in the series, like Drew Durnil and Tasting History with Max Miller. 😀
Hey, where can we send questions about our DNA results? I sent an email a while back, but got no answer yet.
Post questions to my subreddit r/GeneaVlogger. Due to time constraints and non-stop flow of questions sent to me, I only answer questions from my subreddit. You can also check out the GeneaVlogger discord where sometimes I pipe in to help but I also have an amazing community of people who love to help others.
i found this interesting as steve has a mccomb in his tree.the reason i found this interesting was because my grandmother was born in the 1890s out of wedlock. she was murdered in the 1930s and her husband died before her.family knew who my grandmothers mother was but not her father.i had an aunt who spent her whole life tring to figure out who her grandfather was.i told her right before her death at 93 that dna was probably the only way we were going to solve this mystery.after her death i figured it out with dna and he was a mccomb! i have now met local mccombs who we are closely related to and even grew up in the same neighborhood as us.looks like steves mccombs came to the us from scotland. mine left scotland and went to ireland. then some came to the us and others to australia. a member of the australian branch gave me a big clue and helped me solve this mystery.
Just saw a good video which enhances the understanding of your videos, for viewers. Secrets in our DNA NOVA Pbs. It's 2 years old, is entertaining and you probably know about advances not mentioned there. The Geni info /terminology gets hammered into the mind a bit, while watching it. Just a tip.
I was wondering. Did you consider to link the Frank family to Anne Frank. World famous. Would there be a link. I am from the Netherlands and have 16% Jewish Ancestry. That is my lineage going back to East Prussia. The Mögelin (sometimes spelled as Moegelin or Mogelin) surname not placename exactly same spelled as first mentioned.
It is very doubtful because many families adopted the surname Frank but I did look into it. Anne Frank's family came from Germany and their Frank line traces to 18th century Koblenz.
Can DNA be identified from books that a person handled in the 1890's?
I like the way you did this video tracing the Jewish DNA was really cool.
Could he be part of the Anne Frank family line? Have you found any information that leads to that?
It is very doubtful because many families adopted the surname Frank but I did look into it. Anne Frank's family came from Germany and their Frank line traces to 18th century Koblenz.
Just an FYI the past tense of hang (execution) is hanged not hung. If you say a person was hung it means something very different lol
My Heim ancestors are from Ireland!
Just remember, just because someone has genetic Jewish history doesn't mean they were Jewish by faith. There are lots of cross conversions between Catholic and Jewish.
Is there a way to do this kind of research without paying for any memberships? That is always what seems to stop me in my research. If not, what would you consider the best basic membership to start with?
Koch is pronounced Cook! It is the German name for Cook! I had A friend with the last name of Koch! Franks is likely Jewish , think of Ann Frank!
A lot of people do not know that there were actually Irish Jews since it was one of the places where Jews went when expelled from Spain since if they stayed they would have to convert and become strictly Catholic or be killed since the Inquisition targeted conversos who still practiced Judaism secretly
There were also Jews that fled to Ireland from England once they suffered persecution there. The English Jews had provided finance to the English kings who then turned against them.
I had an opposite surprise by not having any Jewish DNA. Nearly all of my DNA is Eastern European/Slavic and I know that all of my great grandparents were immigrants around the turn of the 20th Century from the Austro-Hungarian Empire with 6 of my great grandparents coming from Galicia. My father's paternal side even came from the same village as Bernie Sanders father. The other 2 great grandparents came from the Balkans/Croatia. I was expecting to see some Ashkenazi Jewish in their somewhere but none has appeared over several years of DNA updates.
Thank you for referring to the deaths of the Frank family as murder.
pretty sure you couldn't find many germans who wouldn't call this murder.
Myheritage is what we used but it was basic… can you help us out further or in depth
My mother and I did DNA test. I am 7% Jewish and my mother is 10% Jewish. A great-great-grandfather of mine on my mother's side was in the civil war twice. First time, he was George F. Bartlett, second time what's another name of Robert Smith which he continued to use until his death. I believe this is my Jewish ancestor. I need help on this.
That was very interesting.
Good geanology research.
How can I message you. I been stuck in a spot on my family tree for awhile. Would love to see if you can find a missing link.
I don't take clients anymore due to an overwhelming schedule but I do answer questions from my subreddit at www.reddit.com/r/GeneaVlogger/
@@GeneaVlogger ok I will message you, the last name is Crips. But with my research the last name went from Crips - Cripps - Kripps - Krepps. Been told both Jewish or German. They started a city in Canada with the Hess family. But can't track any info to Europe.
Just to clarify, due to time restraints I don't respond to direct messages requesting help or do in-depth research for people outside of my Investigative cold case work and youtube videos. For my subreddit, just post a question there and I will eventually get to it in one of my review videos located on my Professional Genealogists Reacts channel.
@@GeneaVlogger no worries I appreciate it.
Hi can you help on how to find German records that can be translated in struggling to find my great grandfathers family who were from Germany can only find him and his dad and nothing else e and have no DNA connection to help there is more to the story but to much to write down lol
You don't know what a rabbit-hole you sent me down with that ‘Hewicz’... it's not often I meet an Ashkenazi Jewish name I've never seen before. (Take a *wild* guess what Hebrew name it's supposed to be paired with.)
Whatever you do, don't post the answer here! Make the people work for it and find your twitter thread with the answer 😉😀
have I got a challenge for you, then. both sets of grandparents are widowed then remarried, with my mother being an unknown as to wether the first husband or the second is the father. there are also mutual claims of Native ancestry from both sides at the Great level, but from opposite ends of the continent. Native physionomy was comfirmed by a full blooded native. there's also now a question of African heratige somewhere as well. as for my father's side, the only info on his mother is "dutch" ancestry, which could mean anything from the actual Netherlands, to germanic speakers, or to Amish.
questions have been raised as to wether or not DNA tests are even reliable due to different proceedures, and I have been reluctant to take the tests.
I got a queston, my mothers side third great grandfather is unknow, how mutch DNA i would share one of hes living relative? Or is it too mixed up genes allready
I just recently found out my father was not my father..my whole life I thought I was Sicilian. Imagine my shock when I learned I have 0… Now I’m trying to go down this rabbit hole of British and Irish ancestry with tears of unimaginable loss.
My 4th great grandfather on records is shown as Mordecai Miles, but should I be looking for his ancestors with a name like Milos?
Search for all sorts of variations, even ones that might not make exact sense. Sometime's records are transcribed badly and especially when OCR is used to read the writing. Even better is to use search wild cards if the database you are searching allows it. A search wild card is using * or ? in place of a letter to search for multiple spellings, so mil?s will search for milos, milas, milus, milis, milys, miles, milns, mills, etc.
excellent
Very interesting.
Everytime i see Jewish family trees im always saddened by the sudden lack of children... Obviously stemming from the Holocaust. (This is the case for my family to.) I'm lucky my 2x great grandparents immigrated to the US otherwise I'm 100% sure I wouldn't be here today.
I knew it was gonna be the Franks…I have a number of friends with the surname Frank and they are all Jewish!
How can I sign up???
Sometimes the family would change the name because they did not want anyone to know they were Jewish
True, good point! That was the case in post-war Poland.
My DNA shows 27% Irish, most from my fathers side and a small amount from my mother’s side. I can’t figure out where the Irish is coming from. No one for many generations were born in Ireland.
The country you are expecting to find in your results could contain an Irish neighborhood or town where your ancestors lived. What's that old saying? "Birds of a feather flock together." I have a couple of Irish ancestors like that who came to the US from England. In the US, wherever you find a Catholic church, you're going to find Irish, Polish, and/or Italian neighborhoods. I'm sure it was the same in the "old country."
@@jjbud3124 thank you, my DNA and family info is 50 % English, 27 % Irish, 21% Scottish and a smidge of Nordic. They say we are English Highlanders? Not sure what that means exactly. Still looking at the birds of a feather idea, unfortunately they spread out so much it’s hard to track. Many ended up in the South.
Idk but our origin is still unknown cuz we frm cashmer😅😅😅
I chose Mr. Frank right off the bat.
I love genealogy I’ve done mine x
Heimler, Heimerl, Heimer, and Heymer....all the same origin?
Is that the sense of tragic events, some caused by humans and others by Mother Nature, or a combination of these? Some of Nature's reactions are also, in response to our mistakes.
Is this pre-programmed to get DNA on the road again, to go great distances, in order that mankind stays genetically varied? It's a bit primitive and gruesome. Mariupol is having an awful time again. Syrians and Turkish people are fleeing, due to a very strong earthquake again. We have to sometimes hide, due to the weather again and again. Are we, as well, restless by nature, seeking fortune and new frontiers? Now we have Outerspace junk. It seems to be a wound up, mechanised clock, a system, which keeps moving and moving us. Can't we see what causes all of that behavior, in our DNA? We are just observing it all, happening again, in our own neighborhood and on the news. Such commotion. That video was fascinating GV. All that happens and people don't, or can't pass it on, to the next generations. Is it a communication problem, is nobody listening to parents and Grandparents or is that hush, hush, also genetic? It's good for genealogists, but isn't it all a huge strange phenomenon? Not all cultures are this way, but many. It is still important to stick together and help others in need. In the face of so many natural disasters, I'd say that it is time to limit tragedy, to these events only. Apparently, the many current 'Napoleons' of the World would not go for this idea, although some people still exist, without much food, clean water or proper shelter. P. S. What does it look like, from your specialized perspective?
That Jewish blood showed up here too... Ukraine, German & Aleppo Syria is where my Jewish families came from...