Entourage, listen to this history with your mind not emotions, at least, some of us do not hear only these things but have seen them unfolding, the youth that listens to PROPAGANDA started abusing liquor and drugs and never taken up the baton to advance the STRUGGLE for LIBERATION. Their role is to lament doing nothing to participate,,,, at the other hand the white COMMUNITY is at work,,, CAPE TOWN alone is a White People Country within a COUNTRY, who is voting DA, black elites, and young people after they have done that they come back and tell us that they hate MANDELA. Until you understand what kind of WAR we are engaging, where are battlefield, and who are buffalo soldiers in these wars,,,what ate strategies employed,,,,,I wish you can wake up from deep sleep,since you fell asleep in 1994 to date. Our age group dismantled apartheid your role was to disrupt the program of IMPERIALISTS by overthrowing CAPITALISM and all its pillars instead you went around burning UNIVERSITIES rape girls ,raping and killing children,looting calling thay revolution,,,,,I so wish we all can identify our new battles within the broader war. .
Will ANYONE from ANC be bold enough to enough and publicly dispute all negative comments about how transition from Apartheid to Democracy was staged/ manipulated?
It's a pity that people only know and see ANC for what it is only now. Some of is topped voting on their 1st vote in1994 because we saw early in the so called democrasy that is it's not really democrasy but glorified slavery. Then what are doing about what we now know?
I was never there, there are stories from people who were in exile. We are good at telling stories about the dark side of our liberation fighters. The TRC was the worst thing I watched and listened to. Headed by the esteemed Bishop Desmond Tutu, murderers were given "Blanket Amnesty", only those who stayed behind in South Africa can tell what life was like in the Apartheid South Africa. Let's have prosecutions for Vlakplas murderers and move on to the ANC. And stop blaming everything on Jacob Zuma!!! It only takes the likes of Moeletsi Mbeki to call a spade a spade. I have unlimited respect for him.
Who else from AMC leaders was part of secret meeting between Neson Mandela and Minister Kobie Coetzee while the ANC leadership was not aware of Vichy regular meetings.
There wasn’t anything as Apartheid! The name was and is ‘Aparte Ontwikkeling’, translated to the colonial British empire English it is ‘Separate Development’. The British empire just crossed out the ‘development’ part to retain their cheap labour, cheap metals and big business! The ANC, led by their noses, by the British and Russian empires, wouldn’t talk and negotiate in Good Faith but in GREEDYNESS and that is why SA is where IT IS AT TODAY! In South Africa Now we all can be murdered (75 to 85 Per day) for an old, used bus ticket, 135 to 150 rapes, 400 to 450 serious violent crime per day and misgoverned into a Bankrupt Satanic mess-and then there are still people who was and is trying to figure out why the pre-1994 government governed as they did! The pre-1994 National government NEVER MURDERED and Massacred its Indigenous Peoples as the Americans, Canadians, British, Australians, New Zealanders Etc. DID, SO go AWAY, you Backstabbing Idiots!!! By the way what happened to all the 'So called White Liberals' and 'Afrikaner Verligtes' over the last thirty (30) YEARS?????!
NP was not a defeated entity hence the ANC entered into the negotiations with them, I think that the ANC has achieved so much knowing South Africa during the early 80s, Cold War was in favor of the Western world to be real , the Berlin wall demolition, the unbanning of the ANC and other parties and the release of Mandela and other political prisoners which was central to the European and American population( community), so we can't condemn the codesa negotiations as if the ANC was totally victorious
I agree with you I saw wish many can understand the STRATEGIES that ANC has employed and challenges that ANC faced Internal and external which are the basis of the 40% it acquired this year ,and that is an outcome that many of us expected when the former informants,askaris swell the ranks of ANC and fought to lead ANC using their ZOMBIES who would be bussed to go and vote to put their WARLORDS in power who never failed their task of putting ANC down, I applaud them and all of them having achieved their main task left ANC to business,to forming new parties. to leaving the COUNTRY some to Dubai, some to England and so forth,,I left ANC , ,, as the program of killing activists who were vocal was implemented and ANC leaders not condemning that,, I wish we can put political lenses all of us and stop to be nihive.
A lot of black people don’t know that the ANC wasn’t negotiating from a position of strength, the release of Mandela and the unbanning of the ANC was a result of the Geopolitical outcome of the Cold War, the West was victorious in this ideological war and Capitalism was going to continue in SA.
@@ThandiweGulwa the good thing is that the ANC decided not to dispute the election results njengokuba sibona or sibonile in some African states, it showed political maturity, even if there were people within the ANC and the older order to propel violence, chaos and disorder, South Africans black and white resisted such unnecessary demonic agenda of fighting among themselves, as you have already said that the ANC received 40% it accepted the results, it's a lesson to be learnt that all population groups should be seen as part of the society ( coloureds,whites and Indians) and should not be attracted by some few racial or ethnic incidents and hate each other, non racialism unity reconciliation and rebuilding of the nation is a long term vision, the process can be painful just like the transformation of the society, it's not a one day event
Negotiations was another terrain of struggle to achieve national democracy, umnta ka Mapaila akayiqondi into yokuba uqala ukhululeke njengesizwe as langalibalele, Seme mabhida jele, Gumede babefuna njalo ungatsibeli class ideology, mabhida Joe slovo and Hani knew into yokuba azi ngombutho ANC before SACP, sebegxeka neo liberal policies njani kaloku ingu NDS nje, sathi u NDS uncokola naye wonke umntu, workers want to see their salaries and conditions of employment improved but what about the business people because the ANC government or GNU is confronted with many other related matters, society, business people and international community and their governments, kuthi our demands of wages and conditions of employment is our alpha and Omega unlike the government onoxanduva oluninzi
Im glad anc wil never get my votes i only voted once 4 them during thabo mbeki presidency was the 1st time i voted was the last time i voted for them.i wish my people knows about this so that they loose more votes.
No matter how noble-sounding the name, slogan or manifesto of a ‘revolutionary/liberation’ party or movement sounds…., it is only beneficial if you are the leader or in the upper echelons. If you are a small person, you are bound to be slighted, ignore or even molested. In short, there will be nothing for you. In light of this…, it seems prudent that you as a small man should not give or risk more than what you expect to benefit. Let the future beneficiaries of the promised paradise pay the biggest price
It's possible. They killed people black people in Marikana, killed black people during the 2020 hard lockdown and allowed indians to kill black people in 2021. The ANC was warned many about indian racism but denied it
Malema was one of them, he had a fallout with them because while he was only being paid millions , they were being paid hundred of millions to billions.
Idiotic Zuma wouldn't stand a chance and by the way these WMC were sponsoring Zuma 2005-2009. Then 2010 Zuma turned against them. They were sponsoring Zuma so that he appoint Gill Marcus and distribute arv.
Don't whisper in the deep, come out in the open with facts not just some selective subjective illusion, that is if you have any courage in you, or shut up if you're going to thumb suck,, this is not a game of marbles but peoples lives, families' sufferings and traumatic experiences!!!
Look at the lady , very unprofessional, with her legs bent on the sofa, just laughing loudly as if it is a comedy. When you interview politicians please be formal and ask relevant questions..
It's funny how you expose such info about our Former Presidents T. Mbeki, C Ramaphosa, N. R. Mandela and the ANC. Yet you reveal almost nothing about Former President J. G. Zuma criminal cases which his was too weak/sick to attend but strong enough to dance while campaigning. Nothing about MK court battles. For peace sake can you cover those?
@@bongani_menzeDr Ike Khumalo once said it 10yrs ago about ANC hating black people. And that ANC was established by black elites for their own interests but you know whites did budge. The elites bargain with the struggle of black people in general. The late PAC stalwart (Sam Ditshegoe) enlightened us with this issue.
The ANC is our liberation Movement. The oldest on the African Continent. Yes the movement is not perfect and yes there is reason to believe it's failing to fully liberate the previously disadvantaged (mostly black people). But we will never forget the contributions of the comrades of the ANC to free us. No matter how much Aparthied style propaganda you peddle.
Who are you ? , you sound European . How do you know African people's Organisations . African people don't talk about European affairs . ANC is African National Congress , for Africans . We don't want to hear all this nonsense . It happened . The only important thing is that ANC dismantled Apartheid .
ANC has been captured long ago
CODÈSA WHERE THE TRAITORS BRUTALIZED OUR BEING ,I HATE MANDELA WITH A PASSION AND THE ANC
Entourage, listen to this history with your mind not emotions, at least, some of us do not hear only these things but have seen them unfolding, the youth that listens to PROPAGANDA started abusing liquor and drugs and never taken up the baton to advance the STRUGGLE for LIBERATION. Their role is to lament doing nothing to participate,,,, at the other hand the white COMMUNITY is at work,,, CAPE TOWN alone is a White People Country within a COUNTRY, who is voting DA, black elites, and young people after they have done that they come back and tell us that they hate MANDELA.
Until you understand what kind of WAR we are engaging, where are battlefield, and who are buffalo soldiers in these wars,,,what ate strategies employed,,,,,I wish you can wake up from deep sleep,since you fell asleep in 1994 to date.
Our age group dismantled apartheid your role was to disrupt the program of IMPERIALISTS by overthrowing CAPITALISM and all its pillars instead you went around burning UNIVERSITIES rape girls ,raping and killing children,looting calling thay revolution,,,,,I so wish we all can identify our new battles within the broader war.
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They sold out on the negotiations that's why our economy is still owned by apartheid capitalist.
Will ANYONE from ANC be bold enough to enough and publicly dispute all negative comments about how transition from Apartheid to Democracy was staged/ manipulated?
It's a pity that people only know and see ANC for what it is only now. Some of is topped voting on their 1st vote in1994 because we saw early in the so called democrasy that is it's not really democrasy but glorified slavery. Then what are doing about what we now know?
This is very juicy information. Thanks
Also very disturbing
SCHOCKING THAT YOU CAN DO THIS TOO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!? POWER and MONEY DRUNK!? THEY CANNOT CHANGE!😢😢
I was never there, there are stories from people who were in exile. We are good at telling stories about the dark side of our liberation fighters. The TRC was the worst thing I watched and listened to. Headed by the esteemed Bishop Desmond Tutu, murderers were given "Blanket Amnesty", only those who stayed behind in South Africa can tell what life was like in the Apartheid South Africa. Let's have prosecutions for Vlakplas murderers and move on to the ANC. And stop blaming everything on Jacob Zuma!!! It only takes the likes of Moeletsi Mbeki to call a spade a spade. I have unlimited respect for him.
Who else from AMC leaders was part of secret meeting between Neson Mandela and Minister Kobie Coetzee while the ANC leadership was not aware of Vichy regular meetings.
When?
Will ANC tell the world what and Joe Modise hated Chris Hani during the MK operations during their exile period?
becouse they where doing wrong things that is why
@@TimothythaboTsotetsi-wv4bx
What did Hani do?
I need to watch this twice
Mbeki is playing dumb yet he knows everything about this corruption, Thabo Mbeki is a criminal of note no respect for him, Sis sellout
Anc has been sellouts long time thank you my brother for your channels.
There wasn’t anything as Apartheid! The name was and is ‘Aparte Ontwikkeling’, translated to the colonial British empire English it is ‘Separate Development’. The British empire just crossed out the ‘development’ part to retain their cheap labour, cheap metals and big business! The ANC, led by their noses, by the British and Russian empires, wouldn’t talk and negotiate in Good Faith but in GREEDYNESS and that is why SA is where IT IS AT TODAY! In South Africa Now we all can be murdered (75 to 85 Per day) for an old, used bus ticket, 135 to 150 rapes, 400 to 450 serious violent crime per day and misgoverned into a Bankrupt Satanic mess-and then there are still people who was and is trying to figure out why the pre-1994 government governed as they did! The pre-1994 National government NEVER MURDERED and Massacred its Indigenous Peoples as the Americans, Canadians, British, Australians, New Zealanders Etc. DID, SO go AWAY, you Backstabbing Idiots!!! By the way what happened to all the 'So called White Liberals' and 'Afrikaner Verligtes' over the last thirty (30) YEARS?????!
NP was not a defeated entity hence the ANC entered into the negotiations with them, I think that the ANC has achieved so much knowing South Africa during the early 80s, Cold War was in favor of the Western world to be real , the Berlin wall demolition, the unbanning of the ANC and other parties and the release of Mandela and other political prisoners which was central to the European and American population( community), so we can't condemn the codesa negotiations as if the ANC was totally victorious
I agree with you I saw wish many can understand the STRATEGIES that ANC has employed and challenges that ANC faced Internal and external which are the basis of the 40% it acquired this year ,and that is an outcome that many of us expected when the former informants,askaris swell the ranks of ANC and fought to lead ANC using their ZOMBIES who would be bussed to go and vote to put their WARLORDS in power who never failed their task of putting ANC down, I applaud them and all of them having achieved their main task left ANC to business,to forming new parties. to leaving the COUNTRY some to Dubai, some to England and so forth,,I left ANC , ,, as the program of killing activists who were vocal was implemented and ANC leaders not condemning that,, I wish we can put political lenses all of us and stop to be nihive.
A lot of black people don’t know that the ANC wasn’t negotiating from a position of strength, the release of Mandela and the unbanning of the ANC was a result of the Geopolitical outcome of the Cold War, the West was victorious in this ideological war and Capitalism was going to continue in SA.
@@ThandiweGulwa the good thing is that the ANC decided not to dispute the election results njengokuba sibona or sibonile in some African states, it showed political maturity, even if there were people within the ANC and the older order to propel violence, chaos and disorder, South Africans black and white resisted such unnecessary demonic agenda of fighting among themselves, as you have already said that the ANC received 40% it accepted the results, it's a lesson to be learnt that all population groups should be seen as part of the society ( coloureds,whites and Indians) and should not be attracted by some few racial or ethnic incidents and hate each other, non racialism unity reconciliation and rebuilding of the nation is a long term vision, the process can be painful just like the transformation of the society, it's not a one day event
Negotiations was another terrain of struggle to achieve national democracy, umnta ka Mapaila akayiqondi into yokuba uqala ukhululeke njengesizwe as langalibalele, Seme mabhida jele, Gumede babefuna njalo ungatsibeli class ideology, mabhida Joe slovo and Hani knew into yokuba azi ngombutho ANC before SACP, sebegxeka neo liberal policies njani kaloku ingu NDS nje, sathi u NDS uncokola naye wonke umntu, workers want to see their salaries and conditions of employment improved but what about the business people because the ANC government or GNU is confronted with many other related matters, society, business people and international community and their governments, kuthi our demands of wages and conditions of employment is our alpha and Omega unlike the government onoxanduva oluninzi
Ndiyi vurgoose nje, ungacingi ndingumntu nanko ehlala ezilalini now hahaha 😂😂😂😂😂
Every country has its own oligarchy just like in South Africa, Russia, USA Britain Germany and France
We know that ANC was worse than amabhunu
Voted,
ANC TWICE
GOD BLESS
THANK YOU 💕...
Kudala yaba corrupt ANC
All of these bloody sellouts were involved especially Nelson and Ramaphosa and mbeki all of them
Im glad anc wil never get my votes i only voted once 4 them during thabo mbeki presidency was the 1st time i voted was the last time i voted for them.i wish my people knows about this so that they loose more votes.
Anc just loves politics
Anc iyamzonda umuntu onyama dala sayibona
I've known that early in the years while in the former SAP, but after the new dispensation I thought it was not true.
True more than boers
No matter how noble-sounding the name, slogan or manifesto of a ‘revolutionary/liberation’ party or movement sounds…., it is only beneficial if you are the leader or in the upper echelons. If you are a small person, you are bound to be slighted, ignore or even molested. In short, there will be nothing for you. In light of this…, it seems prudent that you as a small man should not give or risk more than what you expect to benefit. Let the future beneficiaries of the promised paradise pay the biggest price
Great documentary my brother, may you share your sources.
What are you saying that ANC killed 30 000 MK soldiers
I think the figures are wrong Mk abroad was never near 30 000
It's possible. They killed people black people in Marikana, killed black people during the 2020 hard lockdown and allowed indians to kill black people in 2021. The ANC was warned many about indian racism but denied it
Everybody does ---- not only the ANC
Let people know this African
Watching the ad expecting a really spicy serving. 😅
So Malema right all along 😮😮
Malema was one of them, he had a fallout with them because while he was only being paid millions , they were being paid hundred of millions to billions.
Since 1912 dont forget that it was formed by clever blacks.Those who never go to school were called barbarians.
Idiotic Zuma wouldn't stand a chance and by the way these WMC were sponsoring Zuma 2005-2009. Then 2010 Zuma turned against them. They were sponsoring Zuma so that he appoint Gill Marcus and distribute arv.
Your hate for Zuma is misplaced...
Don't whisper in the deep, come out in the open with facts not just some selective subjective illusion, that is if you have any courage in you, or shut up if you're going to thumb suck,, this is not a game of marbles but peoples lives, families' sufferings and traumatic experiences!!!
Bi thought it was the otherway arround
Of which batho ntsi ba victimaziwa ko excel awoa banna no they must Answer serious
Look at the lady , very unprofessional, with her legs bent on the sofa, just laughing loudly as if it is a comedy. When you interview politicians please be formal and ask relevant questions..
Madiba
Mk party s^e gaat ..... 😅😂
It's funny how you expose such info about our Former Presidents T. Mbeki, C Ramaphosa, N. R. Mandela and the ANC. Yet you reveal almost nothing about Former President J. G. Zuma criminal cases which his was too weak/sick to attend but strong enough to dance while campaigning. Nothing about MK court battles.
For peace sake can you cover those?
What did they do?
Was not right what is the difference between you and your neighbors house
Bullshit, how much did they pay you
Do your research, everything it's 💯% true
@@bongani_menzeDr Ike Khumalo once said it 10yrs ago about ANC hating black people. And that ANC was established by black elites for their own interests but you know whites did budge. The elites bargain with the struggle of black people in general. The late PAC stalwart (Sam Ditshegoe) enlightened us with this issue.
@@bongani_menzeBayeke abantu who have no critical thinking skills.
Yes it is true
Here is no money this is the truth anc kept quiet all this years Wake up
Pronounications are poor
1 December 1993
What crap
X
The ANC is our liberation Movement. The oldest on the African Continent. Yes the movement is not perfect and yes there is reason to believe it's failing to fully liberate the previously disadvantaged (mostly black people).
But we will never forget the contributions of the comrades of the ANC to free us. No matter how much Aparthied style propaganda you peddle.
they have done nothing to liberate us pac and azapo done that not those crooks sellout they have en rich themself.
Its not a liberation movment the ANC is garbage but you can tell yourself what ever u want but tell it to yourself
they have free us from where course things still the same
We black 🇿🇦we liberated ourselves not the ANC.Get your facts right.🇿🇦who did not go to exile suffered most.
Who are you ? , you sound European . How do you know African people's Organisations . African people don't talk about European affairs . ANC is African National Congress , for Africans . We don't want to hear all this nonsense . It happened . The only important thing is that ANC dismantled Apartheid .
He is using an AI voice over tool.
How are you so stupid?
his not using his real voice its an AI program for his voice
🙈 🤣🤣🤣
Sorry you don't want to no the truth WELL it's time This is the truth
Nonsense from your mouth
How many times we tell this to black people
Ask Frantz Fanon