I worked as a Merchant Marine for a number of years on ocean going tugs in the pacific, and a lot those tugs had a working life of 40+ years as they were sturdily built and constantly maintained being smaller vessels. A lot of more modern cargo, bulk carriers, and ro-ro ships have a working life of about 25-35 years before being scrapped due to the inevitable rise in maintenance costs as the vessel ages.
Wow! I was hoping that someone would have an answer to this. So Knock Nevis isn’t that special as long as lifespan? I’ll have to look into what ro-ro ships are
@@NoProtocol US Navy here. Most of the ships of the Navy are designed with an initial parameters being a 50 year life, that can be extended if the need arises. USS Blue Ridge 1970, USS Arleigh Burke 1991, USS Enterprise 1961-2017, and my ship, USS Fairfax County 1970-1994, sold to Australia and they used it another 20 years before they scrapped it
@@greggwilliamson ... I'm a squid too. USS John Rodgers DD-574, launched on 7 May 1942, also served in the Mexican Navy as ARM Cuitláhuac (E 01). She was retired by the Mexican Navy 16 July 2001(59 years 2 months and 9 days), bringing to an end the 60-year service history of the Fletcher class ships.
...I honestly can't get enough of you and your channel. You are one of the true gems on youtube. I could listen to you speak on any topic. Your intelligence and eloquent speech hooks me in every time. Much love to you and yours. P.S. - nice shout out to Mr strange dark and mysterious himself
@@toshtao1 ..well.. ..it is a reaction video, so... I'm not sure if you are aware, ..but pausing and giving feedback is pretty much the point. ..maybe you should just watch the originals. ..plus copyrights and whatnot factor in as well.
Does she watch the videos off-camera beforehand, and research the topic to later pretend to watch it for the first time with scripted, but appearing as impromptu, accurate information to raise at the moment it is relevant?
I like something that was said in the movie "The Core", where a "scientist" said it was easier to travel in space than to bore deep into the earth. This is because the heat and pressure increase so much the deeper you go. It made me think how the ocean is like that, space has a constant vacuum but the oceans have an ever increasing pressure. So maybe they were right that it is easier to travel in space than deep into the ocean. Your thoughts on intelligent life reminded me of the movie "The Abyss" where intelligent life was in the deepest part of the ocean. Another cool video young lady, you always inspire thinking.
@@NoProtocol In the movie they were translucent but with some light emitting areas and wings like sting rays to get around. Not a great movie but fun. They had an entire city on the bottom which was pretty. Plus, they had a way to manipulate the water, like they had a long arm probing the vessel the people were in. If you watch the long version, it is better explained about the beings and how they felt about us. Great video, young lady.
in the space is the opposite, there's No pressure there. very deep under water, you'd die crushed. and in the space you'd die by exploding ur self!!! no pressure there.. (without protection in both cases)
I was in the Navy, and the destroyer I was on was Commissioned in 1960. It was Decommissioned in 1990 (to make way for Nuclear Powered Ships). It was sold to the Greek Navy that Year, Renamed and served them until they Retired it in 1996. Upon Retirement, they Sank it and is now an Artificial Reef for Scuba Divers.
Your idea at 9:30, where you mention that there might be intelligent life in the deepest parts of the ocean sound interesting. My counter argument would be that there is less energy available (food and thermal) the deeper you go. Both of which are important to intelligent life. Or, at least, as we know them to be.
Awesome to hear someone recognising mrballen music. It would be totaly awesome to binge watch mrballen with you for an afternoon. Tried watching it with people who who weren't into it and it was awkward as hell.
Live a little. I read a lot of Hemingway as a teenager. Didn't get to old man and the sea, until I was in my mid 30s. And I loved it. Also understood that I would not have gotten it as a kid.
I just stumbled upon your channel very recently and subscribed shortly after. I love your channel! Your insights on every topic, the quick go-to-intros and your commentary style lets me finish every video of yours, because i really enjoy the discussion afterwards instead of before the videos as a long intro. I also enjoy learning with you along the way and see you react to stuff that i've also seen a long time ago like this one. Revisiting them with you is fun! Keep up the good work and greetings over from Germany!
this video made me think of an old movie I saw once called "The Big Blue", or "Le Grand Bleu" (I had to go dig around to find the title). it's about competitive free diving... how deep can these two guys go? how long can they hold their breath down that far? and, of course, it's about their relationship and rivalry between them. I remember the film, especially, because of the GORGEOUS scenes!! both above and below water.
Just as there is little intelligent life on the top of Mount Everest - sometimes I include the people waiting in line to go to the top with their 18 sherpa's carrying oxygen and supplies, using the dead bodies as anker points - I doubt there is much intelligent & complex organisms in the deepest & unknown parts of the ocean. The conditions are just way too hard. The enormous pressure, lack of food, etc... But you never know for sure of course. But what is known, is that a lot of things that go down so deep, are extremely well preserved because of the low level of oxygen and less wild life. So that could be interesting.
There isn't much room on the top of mount Everest though. 95% of the ocean floor being unexplored means there's still more area down there we know nothing about than there is land that we do know about. As for lack of food, again there may be entire ecosystems down there that we don't know about purely because none of them can travel to the surface the same as we can't travel to the bottom. The colossal squid could be an apex predator on the ocean floor at the top of an immense food chain. I'd never actually given this any thought until it was raised in this video. Truly fascinating.
@@0saintclark0 We're talking about intelligent life, don't forget that tiny detail. 95% of the ocean floor is not as deep as the Mariana trench though, and the colossal squid lives at around 1,600-6,600 ft... and the very life-unfriendly conditions don't become less hard because there is a lot of room for it: see the emptiness of space. Lots of it, we can agree. Zero life except on some rocks, probably sitting millions of lightyears apart. You could of course argue that there is LOTS of life in space, purely in numbers, because just how huge space is and how many spots there are with potential life, but that's besides the point. I also believe if there was a large ecosystem with intelligent life in the deepest parts of the ocean, there would have been signs of it, because it would have evolved there for millions of years. There should be fossils or unexpected finds. So far, the deepest parts are kinda.... basic. Tiny shrimps and the occasional lone fish. What's more depressing is the findings telling that in the Mariana Trench, "100% of amphipods had at least one piece of synthetic material in their stomachs" .
Consider, though, that humans (and other land animals) live in the atmosphere, and we are almost always found at the bottom of it. Even when we temporarily aren't at the bottom, we're usually still near the bottom (by comparison to the total depth of the atmosphere). Perhaps there are also creatures who've evolved to live at or near the bottom of the hydrosphere...
I agree with this, not least because most deep sea creatures (excluding microorganisms) are heavily dependent on marine snow (dead animals, plants from land etc) for survival. I'm not convinced that there is enough of an ecosystem for sapient life. (Although molluscs such as Squid, Octopuses etc can be incredibly intelligent, so who knows)
At the age of 18 I shipped out of Duluth, Minnesota on the ore carrier Eugene Pargny. It was 1976. The ship was built in 1917. Got laid up in 1980 and scrapped in 1984.
I feel like i couldnt recommend better videos than you choose or already get recommended by other subs! I really enjoy your content. You seem so likeable! Love from Denmark.
I like your statement at the end. I think there might be life down there so intelligent, that it's basically equivalent to us looking into the galaxy, wondering if there is life out there. They are looking up, wondering if there is life beyond the surface of the water. Creatures so far down there, that no human on earth has ever seen it. Frightening. That's why I hate to think about swimming in the ocean so far out, that I'm not able to see what's beneath me. Probably my only fear.
I love your reaction here. I don't quite agree with the intelligent live supposition (not that it is impossible, but it is not very likely) for two primary reasons. 1. Intelegance is an evolutionary trait born out of intense resource competition, which is far less likely to occur at those great unknown depths. 2. Intelegance (and the brains to support it) are VERY resource intensive; they require a huge amount of resting calories to support without the plentiful resources born out of plants driven by photosynthesis, its highly unlikely at that depth they have the spare energy to support intelligent life. Either way love the content!
When it comes to knowledge I love a quote attributed to Mr.Spock in a novel ( I forget which) that he knows he will never in his lifetime know all there is to know and finds satisfaction in that. He will never run out of things to learn about. Contrast to the story of Alexander the Great who died after conquering the known world. Or at least most of it. There was nothing left to conquer. His life was now without purpose. That is a tragedy. Not so the mind seeking to know everything.
This is why I dont think we should be bothering with Mars or space in general. Aside for monitoring and watching. We havent looked at Earth enough, imo. Good stuff.
A great literary recommendation is The Unnatural History of the Sea by Callum Roberts. It's not necessarily about the deep ocean, but it's about the history of the oceans as far as humans are concerned. It talks with reference to primary sources about the different animals that have been impacted by human life, such as Steller's Sea Cow of Bering Sea locale - a creature related to the manatee that was so docile it just let humans approach and kill them, which led to their extinction.
KING OF THE OCEAN HE WAS MADE TO RULE THE WAVES ACROSS THE SEVEN SEAS If you like history you should check Sabaton's song "Bismark", about the german battleship mentioned in the video.
Mr. Ballen is the man I love his stories and once I watch one I have to watch several. Also, loving your videos and your points of view and I agree with them
If sunlight can't reach bellow 1000 meters (3280 ft) then that should mean Lidar will be less efficient but sonar should still carry sound waves but as sound travels faster as the pressure rises the true distance will be distorted if the pressure can't be determined. Sound travels faster as the material or substrat gets more dense. For example the speed of sound through diamond is 12 thousand meters per second, whilst in air it is around 343m/s and 1500 m/s in water but as pressure rises the speed increase even more. Light actually travels slower as a transparent material gets denser, as a higher mass will dialate time so the information of that light will go through time slower through the heavy mass, but becasue we can't see the speed of light change because of relativity we only see a redshift of the lightspeed information until the redshift is so big the information is null. Meaning the mass of the material can gain the energy of the light into its own structure, but only until its melting point and it starts releasing all of the energy outwards as heat entropy. This means we can map the ocean floor but not the actual distance as accurate as we would like. This means we only know that there is a bottom to the ocean but not how far down or what creatures swim deep down in the deepest depths.
The free diving guy wasn't actually in any danger of decompression sickness. The reason is that free divers only have the uncompressed air they start with, and while that may get compressed, it decompresses to the same volume it started at on the surface, so there's no problem. Also, the 95% is _accurately_ mapped. They have a fairly good idea what a lot of the sea floor looks like on a general level, but there could be seamounts we don't know about. But there probably aren't any extreme trenches we're unaware of, because those are the results of tectonic plate subduction, and we have the plates fairly well mapped out.
I recently watched a short media clip of a manned submarine searching the bottom of the 'Mariannas Trench' and one the things discovered was human plastic.
I'm an ex-(UK) Merchant Navy Chief Engineer and served on larged tankers. The working life of a merchant ship depends on maintenance, market conditions and the type of ship. Bulk carriers, carrying iron ore for example, get bashed about a lot and are subject to heavy stresses. In general though, the average ship has a working life of about 25 years.
Fun ocean facts: Deep ocean animals use light as a weapon. They light up light fireflies and explode with light, like a flashbang, and often have see-through skin, some are literally invisible to the human eye, but can be detected with infrared. There's also an entire secret ocean, underneath the other oceans, that has more water than the other oceans. Tinfoil hat time: The Loch Ness monster (Really long serpent like animal with a horse-ish head) prolly is real and lives really deep, however not in Loch Ness. It was, believe it or not, once sighted off the coast of Vancouver by about a thousand people at the same time. There was even video, if anyone can find it. Was on the news. apparently 900m long, with the head of a horse, or dragon. So apparently it sometimes surfaces =)
I have hopes for finding more and more intelligent beings the more we explore the depths of the oceans. Obviously, I'm not talking about underwater civilizations or anything silly like that, but knowing how incredibly intelligent cephalopods are, it would be very exciting to find more intelligent beings in terms of visual perception, spatial reasoning, etc...
The average civilian ship is designed for approximately a 30 year lifespan. US Navy vessels are also designed for a 30 year lifespan but at 20 to 25 years they go into a 2 to 4 year inport availability for a total upgrade called SLEP, Service Life Extension Program, whereby the ship is literally torn apart and upgraded with the newest tech, the structural stuff is reinforced and they come out with another 30 years of lifespan. Think about this: the B-52 bomber first flew in 1955 (i think) and it is now being flown by the grandkids of the original pilots, also these aircraft have been so upgraded they're expected to be flying for another 30 to 40 years after the current upgrades (mainly the re-egining) are finished. That means the B-52 will have had over 100 years of lifespan. Amazing considering that aircraft was designed in the 40's and early 50's with slide rules and it'll still be flying combat missions 100 years later.
There's a fun Futurama episode where they crash their space ship into the ocean. The captain asks the professor who owned the ship how much pressure it can withstand. The professor replies: "oh, anywhere between one and zero atmospheres".😁
I wanted to become a Geo-scientist or at least tried my hand at it mainly because of the deep ocean. It is amazing what people make political, doing classes I was saddened by just how little people knew about the deep and how uninterested they appeared to be about it until you hit them with something they didn't know. It was inspiring when I'd see a professor's eyes light up when noted the Abyss as a biome, she was confused but I could see the interest she took in it. It made me very happy. With that said nope, nothing too clever down there, humans have a few unique things that demanded we developed the kind of brains we have now and are continuing to develop. Things like the need to use tools and get better at using those tools, things like abandoning fur and developing sweat glands which developed along with tool usage. Most interestingly is our ability to harness outside energy for work. Unless whatever is down there skipped a few early steps and is now using geothermal or hydroelectric power nope. But if they did we'd be able to pick up on something like that fairly easily when we check the surface for heat to predict things like the weather.
For deep sea intelligence, I will go with ‘I wish, but I doubt it.’ It would be fascinating to find out some actual sea monsters or something crazy existed. But I don’t want to get my hopes up! 😅
Ro-Ro ships are Roll On, Roll Off. Mainly vehicle carriers. They pull up to a pier extend their ramps from the vehicle holds and the vehicles just drive off and drive on, hence roll on roll off or Ro Ro.
I like the way you just start your videos. Wish more reactors would do it that way. Also the average lifespan for a large ship like a container ship or tanker is about 50 years.
I read that great white sharks swim at significant depths whilst migrating and perhaps when trying to avoid being ganked by pods of orcas. They registered one shark at about 1,200m.
The main problem with intelligences that far down is a lack of energy. Intelligence requires a lot of it and most energy comes from light. I suppose something smart could exist around the hydrothermal vents, but honestly it would be a waste of time. The vents don't change much. What is there to learn in a tiny island of heat on a desolate pitch-black plain?
TO debate just slightly, and to possibly provide context for why the numbers don't all agree on the mapping percentage, he said "accurately" mapped. That means there's likely a lot that is "sorta mapped". Other than that I totally agree with most of what you said, even the tinfoil bits. Honestly, if WE are the only intelligent life anywhere, you can pretty much guarantee that we're in a simulation. That, or the circumstances to create life in such a way that it can evolve into sentience are RIDICULOUSLY infinitesimal.
I'm of the opinion intelligence is based on difficulty of survival and efficiency of energy absorption. The easier it is to survive and the higher the quality of food, the more likely it is for a species to develop intelligence based tactics/traits. Having to deal with super high pressures seems infeasible unless there's some clear advantage to being at that depth.
Perspective. From the deepest known point in the ocean to the highest known point on land, Mt Everest, is about the length of Manhattan Island. The idea of intelligent life in the ocean bottom is intriguing. In some ways exploring ocean depths is as difficult as going to the Moon or to another planet. There is still much to learn about the ocean and other parts of our planet.
*i edited this because i type faster than i think... so... i love Love love this channel because I Trust it. ... I don't want compliance. I want challenge when challenge is warranted. That isn't noise because one can scream. I want noise because it matters. I feel blessed when I come here.... i hope that I give more than i take. Who knew about penguins and the scary zone? as for darkness... there is something otherworldly standing in a "wild" cave w all lights off... the most Jet Black you can experience.
What's your biggest death scare? Walsh & Piccard:- just the sound of window crack 10916 meters deep in the ocean in 1960. You? Me:- almost fell in a bathtub once.
I always reckoned intelligent existence is in the deepest part of the oceans. There has to be creatures that live and never want to be known. For their own good.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that I can break an emperor penguins bones with my bare hands, but it's evolved to need air and operate at 1psi but also can sustain the pressures that insanely deep that would kill most mammals.
Water pressure... For the most part regardless of what depth you go to water pressure doesn't affect your body in the crushing manner you would believe. The reason why objects such as submarines crush or crack under pressure is because of the fact that they are a container with an air pocket. For example there is no reason such pressures will prevent a scuba diver from going deeper, rather it is the gas mixture that allows your body to function at lower depths. The lower you go the less oxygen you need. Dropping at times as low as 4 to 6% depending on what you're doing. As well deep sea creatures bodies aren't made of steel preventing them from being crushed. Though this is not to negate the fact that even with the proper gases the human body under such depths will actually suffer from medical issues. For the life of me I can't remember what they are called now but it comes with tremors which can then turn into full-blown seizures, losing feeling in the body, and cardiac arrest... Don't quote me on that last part...
The insane part about those men that were in that submarine Trieste is that the window cracked on the way down. They stopped and noticed it was just the outer pane of glass that cracked and continued the dive with the cracked window.... The reason they didn't stay long was because when the sub reached the bottom it kicked up a large amount of dirt blocking their view of anything but the kicked up dirt.
There is an international bestseller by the German author Frank Schatzing called "The Swarm". It's a good read and if you're interested in marine biology and the deep sea you might find it interesting and compelling. It engages with the idea of an intelligent species in the depths of the ocean, made of single-cell organisms which can congregate to form a single group-mind (hive-mind), in line with the complex swarm behaviors of many underwater species. Their single-cell nature allows them to withstand water pressure at even the greatest depths while remaining undiscovered and depending on only very limited nutrition and low energy consumption. Aware of the destructive nature of the human race, they had long preferred to remain in hiding, but due to the increasing destruction of their marine home they finally feel forced to engage in counterattacks to preserve their habitat. The book has some "The Core / Dan Brown" popcorn moments but is much more based on scientific research about swarm intelligence, the yet unknown vastness of the deep sea and the interconnected nature of our global ecosystem.
Saw your reaction the other day and was impressed, so I Subbed. I have a question about this video: At around :10 when he starts hammering off the tops of mountains he's saying if you were to "shave off all the land from the tops of every continent and island in the world..." and fill in the ocean's deepest points the Earth would be covered in water two miles deep (deeper?). Is this the same as leveling every continent and spit of land above the waterline to sea level? Isn't this the same as filling in the low spots on the ocean floor so it's level? And does the rise in seawater take into account the massive amount of ice we have on land and frozen in the ground that will become liquid, further raising water levels as it melts? Also volcanic eruptions will rebuild islands and possibly more given time. Or the heat will boil off the seawater contributing to a lot more atmospheric water vapor and much deadlier hurricanes and thunderstorms in a runaway cataclysm.
I remember watching the Abyss before it went crazy but imagine the lifeforms still to be discovered, in my opinion these lifeforms will continue the evolution way after humans are gone and the cycle starts again
I aint a ship enthusiast but im a welder and a mechanic and car/motor enthusiast but if you keep it clean of rust and dust and keep the engine and gearbox/electrical systems nice, runnin and pure, then you got a machine that can last a lifetime
@@NoProtocol no probaly like 100/120 bc i have a friend that has a car from the 60s ik 70/80ish year old but if the regular maintenance is in order then no problemo
Could you imagine listening with a special decive at that depth and hear very subtle " flap flap flap flap" slowly going deeper than you in a submarine 😂😂😂
The Deep Ocean and the Universe to me are most fascinating things to learn about. And can you Imagine Planets out there that have Ocean Hundreds of km deep? Ours is a mere 10-12,000 meters.
9:10 intelligent life in darkness would probably require similar directional sensitivity and resolution of wavelengths of sound as land animals have of light, don't know how else could they communicate and collaborate effectively. interesting sci-fi concept
Mount Everest is 8.85km high. The Challenger Deep us 11km deep, that is less than 20kn from top to bottom. For context, a Marathon is 42km and the equator is 40,000km
What the video doesn't tell you is that the Challenger Deep is within the Marianas Trench... which is a fissure between two tectonic plates. It is technically a valley that has the potential to run nearly to the earth's mantle. Much deeper than the bottom of the trench and you get into the hot gooey part of the planet and end up with a major volcano. Ouch. 😱
The slightly annoying thing about like baiting the question of "who knows what untold horrors we'll discover at the bottom of the deepest parts of our ocean....?" is the fact that we already know essentially. Some people will even be like "ooooh Megalodon is hiding down there!", but like.... No. There is so little food down there and the pressure is so high that no animal bigger than a person could possibly live down there and at the bottom of the Challenger Deep, you could fit most of them in the palm of your hand. It's infinitely more interesting asking how these things can even survive down there at all...
@@NoProtocol I never knew the background audio track sounded much like a remix I made (Lush - "Last Night") a bit repetitive but is from the movie "City Of Industry" would love your honest opinion if you obtain the time.
I think he may have been stretching himself too thin in regards to content. I used to watch his video's constantly, but I have noticed the stories aren't as interesting.
Looking at the Blobfish lends credence to your deep-sea intelligent life hypothesis and i find myself in a position where i have to agree. Just thinking, life as we know it started in the ocean meaning it's had much longer to reach true intelligence than we have so odds are there more than likely is, this also makes the Little Mermaid a much more terrifying tale.
[9:09] You could look at the Psychrolutes marcidus(the blobfish). They don't look like the way we usually see them. It's just because they're not used to the pressure on the surface that they become disfigured. Casual Geographic has covered the Pm on his channel.
It's kind of funny how they say that only 5% of the ocean floor is accurately mapped, but yet if you switch to "terrain" view on Google Maps it shows ocean floors all around the world. I guess it's mostly approximations using sonar or something like that? Or maybe there is even less basis than that for what Google shows. After all, it seems like quite a task for ships to travel to every square mile of Earth's oceans in order to get a sonar reading of the bottom everywhere.
It's upto 23.4%, and they are looking at mapping it to a high resolution. Most of the data they have collected is already out there from governments and private companies that have released their data. Also, much of the mapping is now done by unmanned vessels which makes it a lot easier. They aim to get to 100% by the end of the decade, although I think they might struggle if they have to physically map the remaining 76.6%.
Yo that mental math tho. Subtle flex 💪🏾
Lol I think I was only close because it’s multiplying by 2.2. Anything else & I wouldn’t have tried
@@NoProtocol I'd say part of being smart is being so within your known limits in public 😂
@@NoProtocol still solid though :) Many people have trouble mentally multiplying with a decimal or multiple digits quickly.
Converting kg to lbs is simple when you know to multiply by 2 then add 10 percent.
Yeah 2.2 lbs is 1 kilo. You called the 11 000 meters early on. I would love to see you react to a video about the Amazon and the wildlife there.
I worked as a Merchant Marine for a number of years on ocean going tugs in the pacific, and a lot those tugs had a working life of 40+ years as they were sturdily built and constantly maintained being smaller vessels.
A lot of more modern cargo, bulk carriers, and ro-ro ships have a working life of about 25-35 years before being scrapped due to the inevitable rise in maintenance costs as the vessel ages.
Wow! I was hoping that someone would have an answer to this. So Knock Nevis isn’t that special as long as lifespan? I’ll have to look into what ro-ro ships are
That’s my understanding, they go longer but the ma cost get very high.
@@NoProtocol US Navy here. Most of the ships of the Navy are designed with an initial parameters being a 50 year life, that can be extended if the need arises. USS Blue Ridge 1970, USS Arleigh Burke 1991, USS Enterprise 1961-2017, and my ship, USS Fairfax County 1970-1994, sold to Australia and they used it another 20 years before they scrapped it
@@greggwilliamson ... I'm a squid too. USS John Rodgers DD-574, launched on 7 May 1942, also served in the Mexican Navy as ARM Cuitláhuac (E 01). She was retired by the Mexican Navy 16 July 2001(59 years 2 months and 9 days), bringing to an end the 60-year service history of the Fletcher class ships.
@@NoProtocol Roll-on/roll-off (RORO or ro-ro) ships are cargo ships designed to carry wheeled cargo, such as cars
...I honestly can't get enough of you and your channel. You are one of the true gems on youtube. I could listen to you speak on any topic. Your intelligence and eloquent speech hooks me in every time. Much love to you and yours. P.S. - nice shout out to Mr strange dark and mysterious himself
I HATE how she pauses the video.
@@toshtao1 ..well.. ..it is a reaction video, so... I'm not sure if you are aware, ..but pausing and giving feedback is pretty much the point. ..maybe you should just watch the originals. ..plus copyrights and whatnot factor in as well.
@@toshtao1 then go watch the original video
Does she watch the videos off-camera beforehand, and research the topic to later pretend to watch it for the first time with scripted, but appearing as impromptu, accurate information to raise at the moment it is relevant?
I love that when you say you're keeping an intro brief.... YOU'RE KEEPING AN INTRO BRIEF. This is how it's done.
I like something that was said in the movie "The Core", where a "scientist" said it was easier to travel in space than to bore deep into the earth. This is because the heat and pressure increase so much the deeper you go. It made me think how the ocean is like that, space has a constant vacuum but the oceans have an ever increasing pressure. So maybe they were right that it is easier to travel in space than deep into the ocean. Your thoughts on intelligent life reminded me of the movie "The Abyss" where intelligent life was in the deepest part of the ocean. Another cool video young lady, you always inspire thinking.
What kind of life was down there?
You mean the Abysmal. 😅
@@NoProtocol In the movie they were translucent but with some light emitting areas and wings like sting rays to get around. Not a great movie but fun. They had an entire city on the bottom which was pretty. Plus, they had a way to manipulate the water, like they had a long arm probing the vessel the people were in. If you watch the long version, it is better explained about the beings and how they felt about us. Great video, young lady.
@@Ozzy_2014 Very cool, I like that.
in the space is the opposite, there's No pressure there.
very deep under water, you'd die crushed.
and in the space you'd die by exploding ur self!!! no pressure there..
(without protection in both cases)
I was in the Navy, and the destroyer I was on was Commissioned in 1960. It was Decommissioned in 1990 (to make way for Nuclear Powered Ships). It was sold to the Greek Navy that Year, Renamed and served them until they Retired it in 1996. Upon Retirement, they Sank it and is now an Artificial Reef for Scuba Divers.
thats a nice second life for a destroyer
Sincere thanks for your service. I am blessed with men and women who chose a diff path...again. Danke.
I love how no protocol has quick non 5 minute intros thats awesome
Your idea at 9:30, where you mention that there might be intelligent life in the deepest parts of the ocean sound interesting. My counter argument would be that there is less energy available (food and thermal) the deeper you go. Both of which are important to intelligent life. Or, at least, as we know them to be.
Awesome to hear someone recognising mrballen music. It would be totaly awesome to binge watch mrballen with you for an afternoon. Tried watching it with people who who weren't into it and it was awkward as hell.
Have you found That Chapter yet? Feel like those that like Ballen like it
Live a little. I read a lot of Hemingway as a teenager. Didn't get to old man and the sea, until I was in my mid 30s. And I loved it. Also understood that I would not have gotten it as a kid.
The penguin dive depth blew my mind more than the rest lol.
Glad I found your channel , your input is both interesting and charming .
Your very bright , good luck with whatever you choose to do in life ✌️
I just stumbled upon your channel very recently and subscribed shortly after. I love your channel! Your insights on every topic, the quick go-to-intros and your commentary style lets me finish every video of yours, because i really enjoy the discussion afterwards instead of before the videos as a long intro. I also enjoy learning with you along the way and see you react to stuff that i've also seen a long time ago like this one. Revisiting them with you is fun! Keep up the good work and greetings over from Germany!
this video made me think of an old movie I saw once called "The Big Blue", or "Le Grand Bleu" (I had to go dig around to find the title). it's about competitive free diving... how deep can these two guys go? how long can they hold their breath down that far? and, of course, it's about their relationship and rivalry between them. I remember the film, especially, because of the GORGEOUS scenes!! both above and below water.
Just as there is little intelligent life on the top of Mount Everest - sometimes I include the people waiting in line to go to the top with their 18 sherpa's carrying oxygen and supplies, using the dead bodies as anker points - I doubt there is much intelligent & complex organisms in the deepest & unknown parts of the ocean. The conditions are just way too hard. The enormous pressure, lack of food, etc... But you never know for sure of course. But what is known, is that a lot of things that go down so deep, are extremely well preserved because of the low level of oxygen and less wild life. So that could be interesting.
There isn't much room on the top of mount Everest though. 95% of the ocean floor being unexplored means there's still more area down there we know nothing about than there is land that we do know about. As for lack of food, again there may be entire ecosystems down there that we don't know about purely because none of them can travel to the surface the same as we can't travel to the bottom. The colossal squid could be an apex predator on the ocean floor at the top of an immense food chain.
I'd never actually given this any thought until it was raised in this video. Truly fascinating.
@@0saintclark0 We're talking about intelligent life, don't forget that tiny detail. 95% of the ocean floor is not as deep as the Mariana trench though, and the colossal squid lives at around 1,600-6,600 ft... and the very life-unfriendly conditions don't become less hard because there is a lot of room for it: see the emptiness of space. Lots of it, we can agree. Zero life except on some rocks, probably sitting millions of lightyears apart. You could of course argue that there is LOTS of life in space, purely in numbers, because just how huge space is and how many spots there are with potential life, but that's besides the point.
I also believe if there was a large ecosystem with intelligent life in the deepest parts of the ocean, there would have been signs of it, because it would have evolved there for millions of years. There should be fossils or unexpected finds. So far, the deepest parts are kinda.... basic. Tiny shrimps and the occasional lone fish.
What's more depressing is the findings telling that in the Mariana Trench, "100% of amphipods had at least one piece of synthetic material in their stomachs" .
Consider, though, that humans (and other land animals) live in the atmosphere, and we are almost always found at the bottom of it. Even when we temporarily aren't at the bottom, we're usually still near the bottom (by comparison to the total depth of the atmosphere). Perhaps there are also creatures who've evolved to live at or near the bottom of the hydrosphere...
I agree with this, not least because most deep sea creatures (excluding microorganisms) are heavily dependent on marine snow (dead animals, plants from land etc) for survival. I'm not convinced that there is enough of an ecosystem for sapient life. (Although molluscs such as Squid, Octopuses etc can be incredibly intelligent, so who knows)
I'm terrified of the ocean 🥺🥺 but so intriguing thanks
Don't worry, giant squids can't go to the surface of the ocean, they will die.
At the age of 18 I shipped out of Duluth, Minnesota on the ore carrier Eugene Pargny. It was 1976. The ship was built in 1917. Got laid up in 1980 and scrapped in 1984.
That working hypothesis was on point!!! I love this channel.
I feel like i couldnt recommend better videos than you choose or already get recommended by other subs! I really enjoy your content. You seem so likeable! Love from Denmark.
I read "War Of The Worlds" in 7th grade, it and "The Time Machine" also by Wells were life changers for me. Kicked off a lifetime of sci-fi interest.
I like your statement at the end. I think there might be life down there so intelligent, that it's basically equivalent to us looking into the galaxy, wondering if there is life out there. They are looking up, wondering if there is life beyond the surface of the water. Creatures so far down there, that no human on earth has ever seen it. Frightening. That's why I hate to think about swimming in the ocean so far out, that I'm not able to see what's beneath me. Probably my only fear.
I noticed the MrBallin theme right away, and was very pleasantly surprised when you mentioned it 😄
Gheez. A fan of the look you have when you are thinking. Keep up the channel, the world needs more people like you.
I love your reaction here.
I don't quite agree with the intelligent live supposition (not that it is impossible, but it is not very likely) for two primary reasons.
1. Intelegance is an evolutionary trait born out of intense resource competition, which is far less likely to occur at those great unknown depths.
2. Intelegance (and the brains to support it) are VERY resource intensive; they require a huge amount of resting calories to support without the plentiful resources born out of plants driven by photosynthesis, its highly unlikely at that depth they have the spare energy to support intelligent life.
Either way love the content!
Love the Mr.Ballen nod, and now i can't unhear the music
I think "My octopus teacher" is a documentary you'd like. Not to do a reaction video (too long) but just for personal enjoyment.
Alright Johan, I’ll look for it. Thank you!
When it comes to knowledge I love a quote attributed to Mr.Spock in a novel ( I forget which) that he knows he will never in his lifetime know all there is to know and finds satisfaction in that. He will never run out of things to learn about. Contrast to the story of Alexander the Great who died after conquering the known world. Or at least most of it. There was nothing left to conquer. His life was now without purpose. That is a tragedy. Not so the mind seeking to know everything.
This is why I dont think we should be bothering with Mars or space in general. Aside for monitoring and watching.
We havent looked at Earth enough, imo.
Good stuff.
Intelligent deep sea lifeforms seems like a cool and logic idea as it is the ground that initially made life
Just discovering your channel. Terrific topics and commentary :) Will look through some of your other vids, to listen to while I work.
RUclips gods. The colab vid between No Protocol and Maye Muses needs to happen.
I love these programs. Very interesting topics.👍👍 thanks for sharing.
A great literary recommendation is The Unnatural History of the Sea by Callum Roberts. It's not necessarily about the deep ocean, but it's about the history of the oceans as far as humans are concerned. It talks with reference to primary sources about the different animals that have been impacted by human life, such as Steller's Sea Cow of Bering Sea locale - a creature related to the manatee that was so docile it just let humans approach and kill them, which led to their extinction.
KING OF THE OCEAN
HE WAS MADE TO RULE THE WAVES ACROSS THE SEVEN SEAS
If you like history you should check Sabaton's song "Bismark", about the german battleship mentioned in the video.
Mr. Ballen is the man I love his stories and once I watch one I have to watch several. Also, loving your videos and your points of view and I agree with them
I’ve grown to enjoy your content. Your beauty is only rivaled by your intelligence
If sunlight can't reach bellow 1000 meters (3280 ft) then that should mean Lidar will be less efficient but sonar should still carry sound waves but as sound travels faster as the pressure rises the true distance will be distorted if the pressure can't be determined. Sound travels faster as the material or substrat gets more dense. For example the speed of sound through diamond is 12 thousand meters per second, whilst in air it is around 343m/s and 1500 m/s in water but as pressure rises the speed increase even more.
Light actually travels slower as a transparent material gets denser, as a higher mass will dialate time so the information of that light will go through time slower through the heavy mass, but becasue we can't see the speed of light change because of relativity we only see a redshift of the lightspeed information until the redshift is so big the information is null. Meaning the mass of the material can gain the energy of the light into its own structure, but only until its melting point and it starts releasing all of the energy outwards as heat entropy.
This means we can map the ocean floor but not the actual distance as accurate as we would like.
This means we only know that there is a bottom to the ocean but not how far down or what creatures swim deep down in the deepest depths.
The free diving guy wasn't actually in any danger of decompression sickness. The reason is that free divers only have the uncompressed air they start with, and while that may get compressed, it decompresses to the same volume it started at on the surface, so there's no problem.
Also, the 95% is _accurately_ mapped. They have a fairly good idea what a lot of the sea floor looks like on a general level, but there could be seamounts we don't know about. But there probably aren't any extreme trenches we're unaware of, because those are the results of tectonic plate subduction, and we have the plates fairly well mapped out.
A penguin can dive deeper than the "published" depth a Seawolf Class Submarine can achieve.
Shows the insanity of nature sometimes how we use technology to mimic mere things animals can do naturally
This girl is very intelligent. Loved the content and conversation.
I recently watched a short media clip of a manned submarine searching the bottom of the 'Mariannas Trench' and one the things discovered was human plastic.
I love this no intro approach. Thank you!
I'm an ex-(UK) Merchant Navy Chief Engineer and served on larged tankers. The working life of a merchant ship depends on maintenance, market conditions and the type of ship. Bulk carriers, carrying iron ore for example, get bashed about a lot and are subject to heavy stresses. In general though, the average ship has a working life of about 25 years.
Fun ocean facts: Deep ocean animals use light as a weapon. They light up light fireflies and explode with light, like a flashbang, and often have see-through skin, some are literally invisible to the human eye, but can be detected with infrared. There's also an entire secret ocean, underneath the other oceans, that has more water than the other oceans. Tinfoil hat time: The Loch Ness monster (Really long serpent like animal with a horse-ish head) prolly is real and lives really deep, however not in Loch Ness. It was, believe it or not, once sighted off the coast of Vancouver by about a thousand people at the same time. There was even video, if anyone can find it. Was on the news. apparently 900m long, with the head of a horse, or dragon. So apparently it sometimes surfaces =)
I have hopes for finding more and more intelligent beings the more we explore the depths of the oceans. Obviously, I'm not talking about underwater civilizations or anything silly like that, but knowing how incredibly intelligent cephalopods are, it would be very exciting to find more intelligent beings in terms of visual perception, spatial reasoning, etc...
Yo! Was not expecting the shout out to the strange, dark and mysterious master MrBallen!! A fellow fan I see
The average civilian ship is designed for approximately a 30 year lifespan. US Navy vessels are also designed for a 30 year lifespan but at 20 to 25 years they go into a 2 to 4 year inport availability for a total upgrade called SLEP, Service Life Extension Program, whereby the ship is literally torn apart and upgraded with the newest tech, the structural stuff is reinforced and they come out with another 30 years of lifespan. Think about this: the B-52 bomber first flew in 1955 (i think) and it is now being flown by the grandkids of the original pilots, also these aircraft have been so upgraded they're expected to be flying for another 30 to 40 years after the current upgrades (mainly the re-egining) are finished. That means the B-52 will have had over 100 years of lifespan. Amazing considering that aircraft was designed in the 40's and early 50's with slide rules and it'll still be flying combat missions 100 years later.
"Sounds Hellish" - very good (and quick!)
You should definitely go SCUBA diving. I really enjoy your videos; great topics, really well done.
There's a fun Futurama episode where they crash their space ship into the ocean. The captain asks the professor who owned the ship how much pressure it can withstand. The professor replies: "oh, anywhere between one and zero atmospheres".😁
_"O God, thy sea is so great and my boat is so small"_
- An old Breton fisherman’s prayer.
I wanted to become a Geo-scientist or at least tried my hand at it mainly because of the deep ocean. It is amazing what people make political, doing classes I was saddened by just how little people knew about the deep and how uninterested they appeared to be about it until you hit them with something they didn't know.
It was inspiring when I'd see a professor's eyes light up when noted the Abyss as a biome, she was confused but I could see the interest she took in it. It made me very happy.
With that said nope, nothing too clever down there, humans have a few unique things that demanded we developed the kind of brains we have now and are continuing to develop. Things like the need to use tools and get better at using those tools, things like abandoning fur and developing sweat glands which developed along with tool usage. Most interestingly is our ability to harness outside energy for work. Unless whatever is down there skipped a few early steps and is now using geothermal or hydroelectric power nope. But if they did we'd be able to pick up on something like that fairly easily when we check the surface for heat to predict things like the weather.
For deep sea intelligence, I will go with ‘I wish, but I doubt it.’ It would be fascinating to find out some actual sea monsters or something crazy existed. But I don’t want to get my hopes up! 😅
Considering it’s Mr Ballen himself narrating, it makes sense his music is playing behind him ;)
I luv that hypothesis.
I have theories about cave drawings.
Creative theories for conversations with friends
Ro-Ro ships are Roll On, Roll Off. Mainly vehicle carriers. They pull up to a pier extend their ramps from the vehicle holds and the vehicles just drive off and drive on, hence roll on roll off or Ro Ro.
I like the way you just start your videos. Wish more reactors would do it that way. Also the average lifespan for a large ship like a container ship or tanker is about 50 years.
I read that great white sharks swim at significant depths whilst migrating and perhaps when trying to avoid being ganked by pods of orcas. They registered one shark at about 1,200m.
The main problem with intelligences that far down is a lack of energy. Intelligence requires a lot of it and most energy comes from light. I suppose something smart could exist around the hydrothermal vents, but honestly it would be a waste of time. The vents don't change much. What is there to learn in a tiny island of heat on a desolate pitch-black plain?
Add scuba to your bucket list, amazing!
TO debate just slightly, and to possibly provide context for why the numbers don't all agree on the mapping percentage, he said "accurately" mapped. That means there's likely a lot that is "sorta mapped". Other than that I totally agree with most of what you said, even the tinfoil bits. Honestly, if WE are the only intelligent life anywhere, you can pretty much guarantee that we're in a simulation. That, or the circumstances to create life in such a way that it can evolve into sentience are RIDICULOUSLY infinitesimal.
Yeah, but that pressure and ubsance of light is precisely what would prevent intelligent life from existing down there.
I'm of the opinion intelligence is based on difficulty of survival and efficiency of energy absorption. The easier it is to survive and the higher the quality of food, the more likely it is for a species to develop intelligence based tactics/traits. Having to deal with super high pressures seems infeasible unless there's some clear advantage to being at that depth.
Perspective. From the deepest known point in the ocean to the highest known point on land, Mt Everest, is about the length of Manhattan Island. The idea of intelligent life in the ocean bottom is intriguing. In some ways exploring ocean depths is as difficult as going to the Moon or to another planet. There is still much to learn about the ocean and other parts of our planet.
I completely agree with your hypothesis!
*i edited this because i type faster than i think...
so... i love Love love this channel because I Trust it. ... I don't want compliance. I want challenge when challenge is warranted. That isn't noise because one can scream. I want noise because it matters. I feel blessed when I come here.... i hope that I give more than i take. Who knew about penguins and the scary zone? as for darkness... there is something otherworldly standing in a "wild" cave w all lights off... the most Jet Black you can experience.
What's your biggest death scare?
Walsh & Piccard:- just the sound of window crack 10916 meters deep in the ocean in 1960. You?
Me:- almost fell in a bathtub once.
I always reckoned intelligent existence is in the deepest part of the oceans. There has to be creatures that live and never want to be known. For their own good.
I'm with you on intelligent life in the ocean. aquatic life has had millions more years to evolve.
You are amazing to watch. Glad I found your channel! Keep the content coming
I really appreciate your (lack of) intro!
I can't wrap my head around the fact that I can break an emperor penguins bones with my bare hands, but it's evolved to need air and operate at 1psi but also can sustain the pressures that insanely deep that would kill most mammals.
Water pressure...
For the most part regardless of what depth you go to water pressure doesn't affect your body in the crushing manner you would believe.
The reason why objects such as submarines crush or crack under pressure is because of the fact that they are a container with an air pocket.
For example there is no reason such pressures will prevent a scuba diver from going deeper, rather it is the gas mixture that allows your body to function at lower depths. The lower you go the less oxygen you need. Dropping at times as low as 4 to 6% depending on what you're doing. As well deep sea creatures bodies aren't made of steel preventing them from being crushed.
Though this is not to negate the fact that even with the proper gases the human body under such depths will actually suffer from medical issues. For the life of me I can't remember what they are called now but it comes with tremors which can then turn into full-blown seizures, losing feeling in the body, and cardiac arrest... Don't quote me on that last part...
The insane part about those men that were in that submarine Trieste is that the window cracked on the way down. They stopped and noticed it was just the outer pane of glass that cracked and continued the dive with the cracked window....
The reason they didn't stay long was because when the sub reached the bottom it kicked up a large amount of dirt blocking their view of anything but the kicked up dirt.
I’m calling this, you’re channel will be around 200k subs by next year
I can listen to you talk all day.
I remember having a conversation with the president of the Oxymoron Society and ending it with the statement, "Deep down you're really shallow".
colossal squid is probably the closest thing to a modern day tusoteuthis. that being said, f**k the ocean.
There is an international bestseller by the German author Frank Schatzing called "The Swarm". It's a good read and if you're interested in marine biology and the deep sea you might find it interesting and compelling. It engages with the idea of an intelligent species in the depths of the ocean, made of single-cell organisms which can congregate to form a single group-mind (hive-mind), in line with the complex swarm behaviors of many underwater species. Their single-cell nature allows them to withstand water pressure at even the greatest depths while remaining undiscovered and depending on only very limited nutrition and low energy consumption. Aware of the destructive nature of the human race, they had long preferred to remain in hiding, but due to the increasing destruction of their marine home they finally feel forced to engage in counterattacks to preserve their habitat. The book has some "The Core / Dan Brown" popcorn moments but is much more based on scientific research about swarm intelligence, the yet unknown vastness of the deep sea and the interconnected nature of our global ecosystem.
Saw your reaction the other day and was impressed, so I Subbed. I have a question about this video: At around :10 when he starts hammering off the tops of mountains he's saying if you were to "shave off all the land from the tops of every continent and island in the world..." and fill in the ocean's deepest points the Earth would be covered in water two miles deep (deeper?). Is this the same as leveling every continent and spit of land above the waterline to sea level? Isn't this the same as filling in the low spots on the ocean floor so it's level? And does the rise in seawater take into account the massive amount of ice we have on land and frozen in the ground that will become liquid, further raising water levels as it melts? Also volcanic eruptions will rebuild islands and possibly more given time. Or the heat will boil off the seawater contributing to a lot more atmospheric water vapor and much deadlier hurricanes and thunderstorms in a runaway cataclysm.
I remember watching the Abyss before it went crazy but imagine the lifeforms still to be discovered, in my opinion these lifeforms will continue the evolution way after humans are gone and the cycle starts again
my intuition is telling me that the conditions are way too extreme for the life we are imagining to thrive at these depths
I aint a ship enthusiast but im a welder and a mechanic and car/motor enthusiast but if you keep it clean of rust and dust and keep the engine and gearbox/electrical systems nice, runnin and pure, then you got a machine that can last a lifetime
This may sound daft but what’s a “lifetime” in this case? 80 years? Lol
@@NoProtocol no probaly like 100/120 bc i have a friend that has a car from the 60s ik 70/80ish year old but if the regular maintenance is in order then no problemo
I've seen these videos so many times, but this chick has gotta be my favorite to watch react
I agree there is a possibility of intelligent life at the bottom of the sea that we do not know about
Could you imagine listening with a special decive at that depth and hear very subtle " flap flap flap flap" slowly going deeper than you in a submarine 😂😂😂
No idea how I got recommended this but after watching some of your videos I've decided that you should be the next US president.
The Deep Ocean and the Universe to me are most fascinating things to learn about. And can you Imagine Planets out there that have Ocean Hundreds of km deep? Ours is a mere 10-12,000 meters.
9:10 intelligent life in darkness would probably require similar directional sensitivity and resolution of wavelengths of sound as land animals have of light, don't know how else could they communicate and collaborate effectively. interesting sci-fi concept
Mount Everest is 8.85km high. The Challenger Deep us 11km deep, that is less than 20kn from top to bottom. For context, a Marathon is 42km and the equator is 40,000km
What the video doesn't tell you is that the Challenger Deep is within the Marianas Trench... which is a fissure between two tectonic plates. It is technically a valley that has the potential to run nearly to the earth's mantle.
Much deeper than the bottom of the trench and you get into the hot gooey part of the planet and end up with a major volcano. Ouch. 😱
I think CGP Grey's "the rules for rulers" is something for you
It's kinda like space, I don't think we will ever fully see what's down there.
Nature basically telling us we'll never find it's origins
The slightly annoying thing about like baiting the question of "who knows what untold horrors we'll discover at the bottom of the deepest parts of our ocean....?" is the fact that we already know essentially. Some people will even be like "ooooh Megalodon is hiding down there!", but like.... No. There is so little food down there and the pressure is so high that no animal bigger than a person could possibly live down there and at the bottom of the Challenger Deep, you could fit most of them in the palm of your hand. It's infinitely more interesting asking how these things can even survive down there at all...
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Mr. Ballen is antagonistic toward the like button lol
yes, im subbed to him, long enough to remember when he would post 3 or 4 times a week lol.
He is such a good storyteller. The way he covered missing 411 cases really got me interested
@@NoProtocol I never knew the background audio track sounded much like a remix I made (Lush - "Last Night")
a bit repetitive but is from the movie "City Of Industry"
would love your honest opinion if you obtain
the time.
I think he may have been stretching himself too thin in regards to content. I used to watch his video's constantly, but I have noticed the stories aren't as interesting.
@@rafterman5072 Imo, i believe they are just as interest, but his upload frequency intention was not sustainable.
For sure I have the time! Where can I find it?
Looking at the Blobfish lends credence to your deep-sea intelligent life hypothesis and i find myself in a position where i have to agree.
Just thinking, life as we know it started in the ocean meaning it's had much longer to reach true intelligence than we have so odds are there more than likely is, this also makes the Little Mermaid a much more terrifying tale.
Love the sweater. Goodness gracious.
[9:09] You could look at the Psychrolutes marcidus(the blobfish). They don't look like the way we usually see them. It's just because they're not used to the pressure on the surface that they become disfigured. Casual Geographic has covered the Pm on his channel.
It's kind of funny how they say that only 5% of the ocean floor is accurately mapped, but yet if you switch to "terrain" view on Google Maps it shows ocean floors all around the world. I guess it's mostly approximations using sonar or something like that? Or maybe there is even less basis than that for what Google shows. After all, it seems like quite a task for ships to travel to every square mile of Earth's oceans in order to get a sonar reading of the bottom everywhere.
It's upto 23.4%, and they are looking at mapping it to a high resolution. Most of the data they have collected is already out there from governments and private companies that have released their data. Also, much of the mapping is now done by unmanned vessels which makes it a lot easier. They aim to get to 100% by the end of the decade, although I think they might struggle if they have to physically map the remaining 76.6%.