@@waynehentley4332 i have no criticize to receive about figure skating knowledge. even if the quality of skating of surya was not still good enough it was just scandalous to give 5.7 and 5.8 for technic to oksana who had a poor technical programm without any combo. oksana baiul should have not finished higher than 3rd in the free. as at the olympics. lu chen and surya bonnaly should have been placed higher here. with the short programm where i would have put oksana 1st in front of kerrigan and bonaly my final result would have been 1st bonaly 2nd baiul 3rd chen. and i m bored by person who speak of charm and charisma. some jumps of oksana were weak. her spins were not difficult and always the same. her steps were not difficult. her choreography was.not very mature. she did not deserve to be world champion in 1993 and to be olympics champion in 1994. that s my opinion and i don t care if the big professr you pretend to be disagree
@@waynehentley4332 I understand skating very well and this is far beyond jumping. This is clear bias against a skater who’s performance outshined the competition on this given night.
Had Surya been a senior a few years back, say '87 and '88, she might have won a few years in a row since judges were judging athleticism back then. I doubt she would have beaten Midori Ito in '89 but she could have given her a run for her money! Also, I feel like I should want to like Nancy but I just don't. She comes off as whiny. I know she doesn't like being in front of the camera, and I understand she was upset about her performance, but something just puts me off. I don't know what it is.
@@rolandgreen7484 They did away with figures in 1991, so that would not have been relevant in these Worlds. It would have been exciting to watch Ito and Bonaly and see how the scoring differed with their high technical prowess.
This was Surya’s moment and she was robbed. Baiul as artistic as she was could not match up anywhere close technically to Chen or Bonaly I would have had Oksanna third. I remember watching this live and being shocked that no one else saw this as a suspect outcome. 😊
Either Surya or Lu Chen would have been more deserving of the gold than Oksana. Both of them were so much higher than Oksana technically, and Lu's artistry was much more authentic and profound than Oksana's cheesy Broadway program.
I agree. I think Lu should have won but she wasn't in the top 3 after the short so it should have gone to Surya. Oksana was great but only had 5 triples/2 double axels with no combinations and 3 shaky landings.
My ranking is: 1. Baiul 5.8/5.8 (Oksana had presence and artistry well beyond her years and she skated with a lot of speed); 2. Chen 5.8/5.7 (Oksana skates with more speed and presence than Lu; many of Lu’s jumps were landed at a standstill); 3. Bonaly 5.8/5.5 (Surya had little speed going into and coming out of her jumps and the skating skills and musicality just isn’t there).
I'm very confused by your marks. I kinda wanna challenge you on some of them. Could explain how Oksana and Surya would both have 5.8 where Oksana didn't have a clean Double Axel, a triple triple combination, a repeat triple or any combination in her program vs Surya who had all those components, 7 triples and a variety of spins? Whilst I agree Oksana had greater presentation, I can't possibly mark her technical the same as 5.8 unless I would put Surya as 6.0. As far as artistic impression for Surya, if I look at every World performance Surya had from 89, 90, 91 & 92, I can understand 5.5 since her focus was solely on jumps and she still was maturing. This 1993 Worlds shouldn't warrant her marks less than 5.7 in my opinion especially when you compare other programs like Tanja, Lenka, Josee, Nancy etc who either were young and inexperienced or had mistakes in their programs. She may not have had greatest artistry but in no way it should be that low for 1993. She was clean and fantastic. I would have the marks as followed: Surya 1st 5.9 5.8 Chen 2nd 5.7 5.9 Oksana 3rd 5.4 5.9 Would be great to hear your points
@@Salmiyaguy1 I appreciate it and thank you, I definitely like some people are watering down her artistic impression in these worlds either because of their love for Oksana or other skaters, their bias in general against Surya, her previous performances or her background prior to skating. She did a lot better than she ever did before 1993 and I feel this performance along with so many got undervalued or underappreciated in some aspects.
Kerrigan bombed badly though, so there is no case of her winning any medal here, regardless if her skating has more power and glide than some. She always bombs the long program too. At the 91 worlds she was an unknown and beat out Midori Ito and the highly hyped new European Champion Bonaly for the bronze, but that was due to Ito injuring herself in the short and missing a whole bunch of jumps in the long as a result, and Bonaly falling twice and having novice level skating skills at that point. Nancy herself fell, made several mistakes, didn't even try a triple loop, and only had 4 triples, some with shaky landings. In Albertville she had an excellent short that was a close 2nd to Yamaguchi, and arguably should have been 1st over Kristi, but had a bad long program and dropped to 3rd behind Ito, and should have probably dropped right off the podium, but got held up by the judges. At worlds in 92 she moved up to 2nd after being only 3rd in the short, but that was only how horrible everyone else skated, her own skate was bad, and worse than the Olympics. Here she bombed like she did at those events, but unlike those events there were more than 1 or 2 people skating well and she dropped to only 9th in the long. Her coaches put her on a new training regime since 93 worlds showed she would no longer get away with half assed long programs full of mistakes like she had gotten away with consistently the past 2 years.
@@grantgoffin4774 It was just a general observation that her general skating skills were not quite up to snuff relative to the likes of Sato and Kerrigan. I still had her ahead of both ladies at these Worlds.
@@gk891 I had Sato ahead of Chen in the long program, but I don't know about overall. I had Baiul 4th in the long program behind Chen, Bonaly, and Sato all in some order. I had Kerrigan 1st in the short but 11th in the long instead of the 9th she got. I agree Chen is not lacking skating skills but does not have the glide, speed, power of Kerrigan, Sato, or even Baiul.
@@gk891 I am wondering how you would have had the results at all 3 of the 91, 92, and 93 worlds for ladies. 91 worlds some say Ito should have beaten Kerrigan for the bronze. Both landed 4 triples, but Kerrigan had a lutz, flip, and both had a triple toe-triple toe, and one of Ito's had a three turn out. While I think Nancy's so called artistry is overrated, her performance did have more punch and style that day than Ito's who was skating badly injured.. So I have to agree with that result. Some say Tonya should have beaten Kristi for the gold. I am not sure about that either. Tonya had the triple axel but only 4 triples to 6 for Kristi, and inferior choreography. I am not even a Kristi fan but I think that was probably the right result. The 92 worlds were such a mess I change my mind about 5 times there, outside of Kristi winning. I think Chouinard and Preston both should have finished higher though. And 93 worlds I thought Chen or Sato deserved the gold, Bonaly the bronze, and Baiul 4th.
@@grantgoffin4774 Oh, for sure! I agree with Yamaguchi winning the 1991 and 1992 Worlds. And I agree with Harding winning silver at the 1991 Worlds. But with 2nd and 3rd in 1992 and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in 1993 I would need to watch the performances again as it's been a while. TBH, I'm not a fan of watching Baiul or Bonaly so I can barely get through one of their performances! I also have not watched Ito or Kerrigan's LPs at the 1991 Worlds in ages.
Chen was in an impossible place to get marks that high. She skated after Bonaly and Baiul had already skated well and before both Kerrigan and Chouinard who were expected to do well and Nancy leading after the short. She was in an unlucky spot and pretty much had to get mediocre scores.
@Wayne Hentley 5.8 is correct considering she performed a clean program and the construction of this program was the best she ever produced. Anything lower than a 5.7 is unjustifiable in my opinion.
surya bonaly should have wun by far. even if she should have been better artisticly she was so superior technicly... i had in the free programm 1st bonaly 5.9 5.7 2nd chen 5.7 5.8 3rd baiul 5.5 5.8
@@Salmiyaguy1 Lol.. Dumb as rocks. Chunky is the synonym of muscular. Look it up, brains. In case you know what synonyms are they are a word or phrase that means exactly the same or nearly the same as another word. Therefore, she is CHUNKY. And not very graceful at all. It wasn’t until later in her career that she decided to try to emulate Oksana ,but it didn’t work. Oksana won and there’s nothing you can do about it.
@@waynehentley4332 even if this is true, so what? Surya was artistic on the ice as well, just in a different way than the ice princess artistry that Baiul and Kerrigan had that closed minded people in the skating community act like is the only type that matters. Pointing towards Bonaly having a different artistic style doesn't prove she shouldn't have won this title. It simply proves you have small mind when it comes to what the image of what a female skater should look like.
@@waynehentley4332 so like, do you have any actual substantive response to what I said about Surya or are you just going to keep repeating unfunny jokes about people who disagree with you being mentally ill?
I love Oksana but the Gold for this World’s should have gone to Bonaly. I’m sorry, but she outskated all their asses … she nailed everything, did better triples and triple combos, and she looked great artistically. She was always robbed.
@@AFMKI_Not this performance, she excelled in both departments of technicality and artistry. Skating is more than just posing & dance steps, it's about spins, difficult transitions, jumps, footwork, spirals, emotion etc. Surya demonstrated a fantastic performance here and at other events from late 1992 and onwards when she was at her best. In my opinion, she more than deserve the 1993 World title.
As everyone has said Surya was a tumbling gymnast on ice and looking back Ur pretty much the only one that thinks Oksana deserves the gold over a ballerina on ice no combination with awful spinning Surya clearly won
@@hothairunisex4726 get over it! Oskana was the winner and deservedly so. Surtax should’ve stayed in gymnastics. She was so rigid. I think the judges know better than you. Oskana was wonderful!
@@alexsdb9712 This man abandoned them when Oksana was only 4 years old, and appeared again a few years ago when his daughter was already an adult woman. That is also a form of orphanhood.
Surya absolutely got screwed here!
She should have been world champion here!
Lack of skating skills. No grace or elegance. There's more to skating than jumps.
@@waynehentley4332 girl do u have eyes she was graceful
@@joccskates4497 A good one!😅😅😅
@@joccskates4497 Clunky graceful?🤔🤔 At 2.50, were those arm and foot movements choreography?🤔🤔
100%
Nancy skated like her grandmother 😔
only 3 judges put bonaly 1st?! it s beyond me
Watching this makes me realise just how unfair and biased the old judging system was.
You don't really understand skating?🤔🤔 Jumping isn't everything.
@@waynehentley4332 i have no criticize to receive about figure skating knowledge. even if the quality of skating of surya was not still good enough it was just scandalous to give 5.7 and 5.8 for technic to oksana who had a poor technical programm without any combo. oksana baiul should have not finished higher than 3rd in the free. as at the olympics. lu chen and surya bonnaly should have been placed higher here. with the short programm where i would have put oksana 1st in front of kerrigan and bonaly my final result would have been 1st bonaly 2nd baiul 3rd chen. and i m bored by person who speak of charm and charisma. some jumps of oksana were weak. her spins were not difficult and always the same. her steps were not difficult. her choreography was.not very mature. she did not deserve to be world champion in 1993 and to be olympics champion in 1994. that s my opinion and i don t care if the big professr you pretend to be disagree
@@rolandgreen7484 You're joking, aren't you? She did only two triples!😅😅
@@waynehentley4332 I understand skating very well and this is far beyond jumping. This is clear bias against a skater who’s performance outshined the competition on this given night.
Had Surya been a senior a few years back, say '87 and '88, she might have won a few years in a row since judges were judging athleticism back then. I doubt she would have beaten Midori Ito in '89 but she could have given her a run for her money! Also, I feel like I should want to like Nancy but I just don't. She comes off as whiny. I know she doesn't like being in front of the camera, and I understand she was upset about her performance, but something just puts me off. I don't know what it is.
@@rolandgreen7484 They did away with figures in 1991, so that would not have been relevant in these Worlds. It would have been exciting to watch Ito and Bonaly and see how the scoring differed with their high technical prowess.
2:50 Zombie dance in air raid sirens lol
😅😅😅
Kerrigan's music choice and costuming was great. It's a shame her nerves got in the way.
The dress is old lady-ish, and the music is more suitable for a novice or junior skater.
Surya got screwed here - she should have easily won. I would have thrown that silver in Baiul's bag...
This was Surya’s moment and she was robbed. Baiul as artistic as she was could not match up anywhere close technically to Chen or Bonaly I would have had Oksanna third. I remember watching this live and being shocked that no one else saw this as a suspect outcome. 😊
It was all about politics back then.
She had no grace at all! Oksana won and no one can take that away.
i really can t understand baiul wun there!
Superior artistry and skating skills.
@@tumicduguar2583 Hardly
@@tumicduguar2583 ok but so weak technicly! 5.7 and 5.8 for such a poor programm without any combo was a shame
Oksana was wonderful and the Best! Get over it.
Well, she did.
I keep watching this and Oksanas performance. Surya won by a lot even her artistry was not worthy of a 5.5. It was more than enough to win here. Shame
Either Surya or Lu Chen would have been more deserving of the gold than Oksana. Both of them were so much higher than Oksana technically, and Lu's artistry was much more authentic and profound than Oksana's cheesy Broadway program.
I agree. I think Lu should have won but she wasn't in the top 3 after the short so it should have gone to Surya. Oksana was great but only had 5 triples/2 double axels with no combinations and 3 shaky landings.
My ranking is: 1. Baiul 5.8/5.8 (Oksana had presence and artistry well beyond her years and she skated with a lot of speed); 2. Chen 5.8/5.7 (Oksana skates with more speed and presence than Lu; many of Lu’s jumps were landed at a standstill); 3. Bonaly 5.8/5.5 (Surya had little speed going into and coming out of her jumps and the skating skills and musicality just isn’t there).
You are entitled to your thoughts. Although you exude small **** energy. So many sassy limp wrist finger snapping hot takes.
I'm very confused by your marks. I kinda wanna challenge you on some of them.
Could explain how Oksana and Surya would both have 5.8 where Oksana didn't have a clean Double Axel, a triple triple combination, a repeat triple or any combination in her program vs Surya who had all those components, 7 triples and a variety of spins?
Whilst I agree Oksana had greater presentation, I can't possibly mark her technical the same as 5.8 unless I would put Surya as 6.0.
As far as artistic impression for Surya, if I look at every World performance Surya had from 89, 90, 91 & 92, I can understand 5.5 since her focus was solely on jumps and she still was maturing.
This 1993 Worlds shouldn't warrant her marks less than 5.7 in my opinion especially when you compare other programs like Tanja, Lenka, Josee, Nancy etc who either were young and inexperienced or had mistakes in their programs.
She may not have had greatest artistry but in no way it should be that low for 1993. She was clean and fantastic.
I would have the marks as followed:
Surya 1st 5.9 5.8
Chen 2nd 5.7 5.9
Oksana 3rd 5.4 5.9
Would be great to hear your points
@@TheWayWithKhuwayne Yes, very fair marks. that should have been the ranking.
@@Salmiyaguy1 I appreciate it and thank you, I definitely like some people are watering down her artistic impression in these worlds either because of their love for Oksana or other skaters, their bias in general against Surya, her previous performances or her background prior to skating. She did a lot better than she ever did before 1993 and I feel this performance along with so many got undervalued or underappreciated in some aspects.
I love Lu Chen's program but what's noticeable for me about her is that she lacks the power and glide that Sato and Kerrigan had.
Kerrigan bombed badly though, so there is no case of her winning any medal here, regardless if her skating has more power and glide than some. She always bombs the long program too. At the 91 worlds she was an unknown and beat out Midori Ito and the highly hyped new European Champion Bonaly for the bronze, but that was due to Ito injuring herself in the short and missing a whole bunch of jumps in the long as a result, and Bonaly falling twice and having novice level skating skills at that point. Nancy herself fell, made several mistakes, didn't even try a triple loop, and only had 4 triples, some with shaky landings. In Albertville she had an excellent short that was a close 2nd to Yamaguchi, and arguably should have been 1st over Kristi, but had a bad long program and dropped to 3rd behind Ito, and should have probably dropped right off the podium, but got held up by the judges. At worlds in 92 she moved up to 2nd after being only 3rd in the short, but that was only how horrible everyone else skated, her own skate was bad, and worse than the Olympics. Here she bombed like she did at those events, but unlike those events there were more than 1 or 2 people skating well and she dropped to only 9th in the long. Her coaches put her on a new training regime since 93 worlds showed she would no longer get away with half assed long programs full of mistakes like she had gotten away with consistently the past 2 years.
@@grantgoffin4774 It was just a general observation that her general skating skills were not quite up to snuff relative to the likes of Sato and Kerrigan. I still had her ahead of both ladies at these Worlds.
@@gk891 I had Sato ahead of Chen in the long program, but I don't know about overall. I had Baiul 4th in the long program behind Chen, Bonaly, and Sato all in some order. I had Kerrigan 1st in the short but 11th in the long instead of the 9th she got. I agree Chen is not lacking skating skills but does not have the glide, speed, power of Kerrigan, Sato, or even Baiul.
@@gk891 I am wondering how you would have had the results at all 3 of the 91, 92, and 93 worlds for ladies. 91 worlds some say Ito should have beaten Kerrigan for the bronze. Both landed 4 triples, but Kerrigan had a lutz, flip, and both had a triple toe-triple toe, and one of Ito's had a three turn out. While I think Nancy's so called artistry is overrated, her performance did have more punch and style that day than Ito's who was skating badly injured.. So I have to agree with that result. Some say Tonya should have beaten Kristi for the gold. I am not sure about that either. Tonya had the triple axel but only 4 triples to 6 for Kristi, and inferior choreography. I am not even a Kristi fan but I think that was probably the right result. The 92 worlds were such a mess I change my mind about 5 times there, outside of Kristi winning. I think Chouinard and Preston both should have finished higher though. And 93 worlds I thought Chen or Sato deserved the gold, Bonaly the bronze, and Baiul 4th.
@@grantgoffin4774 Oh, for sure! I agree with Yamaguchi winning the 1991 and 1992 Worlds. And I agree with Harding winning silver at the 1991 Worlds. But with 2nd and 3rd in 1992 and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in 1993 I would need to watch the performances again as it's been a while. TBH, I'm not a fan of watching Baiul or Bonaly so I can barely get through one of their performances! I also have not watched Ito or Kerrigan's LPs at the 1991 Worlds in ages.
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Each skater has their own strength and style. We all know "who the best skater was" in this competition. 👏 SURYA BONALY 👏
No
No Tonya? 😮
Tonya Harding came in 4th at nationals in 1993 and did not make the world team.
my ranking there was 1st bonaly 5.9 5.8 2nd chen 5.8 5.8 3rd. baiul 5.5 5.7
Chen was in an impossible place to get marks that high. She skated after Bonaly and Baiul had already skated well and before both Kerrigan and Chouinard who were expected to do well and Nancy leading after the short. She was in an unlucky spot and pretty much had to get mediocre scores.
5.8 for Bonaly for presentation? Nonsense!!!
@@waynehentley4332 and I have to ask you what you think her marks on presentation were truly justifiable? No it all
@Wayne Hentley 5.8 is correct considering she performed a clean program and the construction of this program was the best she ever produced. Anything lower than a 5.7 is unjustifiable in my opinion.
mine too
surya bonaly should have wun by far. even if she should have been better artisticly she was so superior technicly... i had in the free programm 1st bonaly 5.9 5.7 2nd chen 5.7 5.8 3rd baiul 5.5 5.8
She should’ve stayed her chunky self in gymnastics. She was good and I think her crazy mother pushed her into figure skating. Her mother is cray cray.
@@User14816 when since does muscle count as chunky?
@@Salmiyaguy1 Since as far as figure skating existed. She had no grace whatsoever.
@@User14816 chunky means fat. Get a grip. You can redefine the word
@@Salmiyaguy1 Lol.. Dumb as rocks. Chunky is the synonym of muscular. Look it up, brains. In case you know what synonyms are they are a word or phrase that means exactly the same or nearly the same as another word. Therefore, she is CHUNKY. And not very graceful at all. It wasn’t until later in her career that she decided to try to emulate Oksana ,but it didn’t work. Oksana won and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Surya was robbed. Oksana's program was insipid and childish
Surya lacked grace and elegance!
@@waynehentley4332 even if this is true, so what? Surya was artistic on the ice as well, just in a different way than the ice princess artistry that Baiul and Kerrigan had that closed minded people in the skating community act like is the only type that matters. Pointing towards Bonaly having a different artistic style doesn't prove she shouldn't have won this title. It simply proves you have small mind when it comes to what the image of what a female skater should look like.
@@waynehentley4332 The worst part is I guarantee you're like probably 45 and still can't come up with funnier comebacks than this.
@@waynehentley4332 so like, do you have any actual substantive response to what I said about Surya or are you just going to keep repeating unfunny jokes about people who disagree with you being mentally ill?
@@dybbuk222 Please go away! You're tiring!🧐🧐🧐
Josee, per usual, choked.
I love Oksana but the Gold for this World’s should have gone to Bonaly. I’m sorry, but she outskated all their asses … she nailed everything, did better triples and triple combos, and she looked great artistically. She was always robbed.
She was always just a jumper nothing more
@@AFMKI_Not this performance, she excelled in both departments of technicality and artistry.
Skating is more than just posing & dance steps, it's about spins, difficult transitions, jumps, footwork, spirals, emotion etc.
Surya demonstrated a fantastic performance here and at other events from late 1992 and onwards when she was at her best. In my opinion, she more than deserve the 1993 World title.
Jesus Lu Chen was sort of robbed.
The only one robbed was Surya! They're crooks & worse in judging! ;-(
If you think ki chen was robbed,, watch again..
Chen only medaled at all since Kerrigan and Josee bombed. Had either of them skated well, she doesn't medal at all.
Oksana was the best very well deserved win 🥇
As everyone has said Surya was a tumbling gymnast on ice and looking back Ur pretty much the only one that thinks Oksana deserves the gold over a ballerina on ice no combination with awful spinning Surya clearly won
@@hothairunisex4726 get over it! Oskana was the winner and deservedly so. Surtax should’ve stayed in gymnastics. She was so rigid. I think the judges know better than you. Oskana was wonderful!
Lu Chen was robbed !!! Sorry but Oksana became famous only for her orphanhood.
Haha orphanhood. I remember that promoted story back then. But her father was alive and well, living in another part of Ukraine.
@@alexsdb9712 This man abandoned them when Oksana was only 4 years old, and appeared again a few years ago when his daughter was already an adult woman. That is also a form of orphanhood.
@angiecastro2457 If it makes you happy, then keep at it. All the best!
@@alexsdb9712 Orphanhood doesn't make me happy, I don't think it's a source of happiness for anyone. Also the best!:)
@angiecastro2457 You didn't read properly, at what was being referred to sorry. Best of luck.
i enjoyed Nancy melt down here i found her to be arrogant
What a hater! How can you enjoy seeing someone fall apart?