Why so much HATE?: History of graffiti & moral decay
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Why does graffiti get so much hate? and love... its complicated.
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my favorite thing about graffiti is how it pisses off authorities. my second favorite thing is that it's fun to look at
Perfect ^^
Then again, plenty of authorities are just as willing to pay for graffiti, at least here in the Netherlands
Then again, plenty of authorities are just as willing to pay for graffiti, at least here in the Netherlands
Can I tag the the inside of your room?
@@whoknowswhocares885learn the difference between public, private, and personal property. real graffiti artists dont tag on personal property
Big nah yah from me. There was a program I worked with that taught graffiti as part of arts history. Part of the lesson included helping kids develop their own tag and letting them spray paint it on big pieces of cardboard. Super fun for everyone, loved your research on chosen topic!
I love this. Programs like this are invaluable imo. Glad you enjoyed the video. :)
i'll take graffiti over ads any day.
ditto
yup. id even rather see really bad toy graffiti from a 13 year old over a coke ad
It always hurts whenever I think about how far we've strayed as a species from our natural way of living. The modern world holds many opportunities, but nothing like what we'd lost as populations grew and "control" took over everything in our lives.
Mm every other day I get the desire to run to the woods and live off grid. But it’s a hard lifestyle too, people died from paper cuts. We can’t romanticise it too much. As far as modern day living goes, I think we have to remember how the homo species has lived for majority of it’s existence. The way we live now is just a fraction of our history. And our brains don’t evolve that quickly!
As you mentioned, history has shown that graffiti is a human tendency. And as a mainly positive activity with a few specific issues, i believe the best policy regarding it is a permissible one, with hardline restrictions on useful signage, destructive damage, and religious sites.
This would reduce the amount of cases to something realistic to prosecute, allowing policemen to focus on more harmful crimes that more people agree are an issue.
A very balanced and practical perspective, I like it.
As a thought experiment, what do you think would happen if graffiti was completely legal?
@@dailymindtrap My hope (probably incorrectly, but we ball) is that the streets in general would become like the backstreets around Shoreditch and around East London (Look up Shoreditch or Hackney Wick graffiti to see what I mean), growing into a cultural activity and pastime shared by the residents.
It would give the people around a shared identity and ownership of where they live, and quell the complaints of cities being 'grey and homogeneous' without paying people hundreds to paint and maintain stuff themselves. maybe different areas would develop different styles, or you could gauge movements supported by the locals by looking at the iconography/slogans plastered over the walls.
More people accessing the medium would mean that things people disapproved of (such as hateful messaging or just aesthetic differences) could quickly be painted over by anyone who disagreed, leading to a sort of democracy. I also think it could get people to physically exist more in the real world with their real neighbours, limited by physical geography and the places you commonly walk through. This is as opposed to posting on social media where everyone can see what you have to say but no one's ever met you. You'd constantly be reminded that this is a place other people live, too, and it might encourage people to act more considerate and to feel like part of a community.
I also suspect, though tagging/name graffiti would continue to exist, people would lean more into artistic/expressive pieces once the layperson gets their hands on the can. Most people who wouldn't do it when it's illegal don't care so much about their reputation, only because when you see things in public toilets, a lot of the time it's just funny little statements, drawings and conversations.
Idk, can you see it working? I'm sure there's something I missed. But that's the ideal situation in my head, I know it's a radical idea, so there's probably a lot I overlooked.
So sick to see brissy Graff in this. I used to take the trains a lot going into Brisbane and would love seeing the graffiti and became obsessed with it myself. I will never understand why people want to see white walls surrounding them. We already live such boring strict lives, graffiti brings flavour and character to something that was otherwise boring and without purpose. People have begun to look with their ears and not their eyes when it comes to graffiti. They’re told to hate it so they do, love to see someone pointing out the nuance in the community. Most of us just want to see something we did make an impact. And all the pieces along the train line gave me and so many others something too see outside their phones. Graffiti is meaningful.
Hey thanks for your comment. I agree with a lot of your points. I think the subject is far more nuanced than most people consider, let alone give space to without judgement. It’s a controversial subject because of property rights but outside of that - graffiti and street is a kind of ‘special ingredient’ we should value in any city. For many non-creative/regular people, graffiti might be the only artwork that you see on a regular basis, out in the real world. Melbourne’s legal laneways get more tourists than some of the cities art galleries! Walking around a city full of creative energy and evidence that humans were here and did something grand, made their mark, that gives me energy. Makes me feel inspired. And the psychology of a graff artist -- well, in many ways it makes sense. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, there’s always more to the story.. You’re right, why have boring when you could have flavour and character?
I'm also from Brissie and I reckon the only graffiti I can't stand is when stuff is scratched into bus and train windows. By its nature it can't really be more artful than a tag. It also ruins the experience of using a window.
Yeah I get a bit too claustrophobic when I can’t see out the windows.
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it's so messed up to circumcise babies with no anesthesia or anything, idc. doesn't matter if "they don't remember", it's crazy to do surgery on a baby with no pain relief
Oh man I just started the vid!
Wtf?
I wonder what happened in the algorithm to not put this video out. Pretty solid video essay, with nice editing and an interesting topic. A video like this should have thousands of views
Hey, thanks… yeah I’m not sure what happened or what I could’ve done better. Bit disappointed tbh! Glad you enjoyed it. :)
@@dailymindtrapprobably being suppressed by Big Wall :(
deffo deserves more
Thank you ^^
Yeah it honestly makes no sense!
My thoughts exactly!
Ah yes, my favorite underated video essayist
You’re so nice!!! Hope you enjoyed the vid.
As someone who’s been writing since middle school this Really had me worried at the start but halfway thru till the end this video was real phenomenal lots of interesting perspectives that I haven’t heard before and exploration I as a writer have never considered v good video
That’s super nice to hear. Honestly, I struggled a lot making this video. Not just because I’m an outsider and felt a responsibility to get it right, but because I’m bringing in a lot information from other disciplines in a way that I haven’t seen anyone else do. I hope it worked out. Thank you for your comment. :)
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Ty :)
street art is usually not considered graffiti by graffiti writers and people in the scene. also graffiti crews are quite usual in the scene at least in my experience. either way a good video!
I trust your experience! Perhaps the research I was looking at reflects more of a “statistical” viewpoint, but it makes sense to me that you would have crews. Glad you enjoyed the vid. Thanks for your input - def appreciate it!
im studying sociology of law and this was incredibly insightful!
Ahh I would love to study that!!
I think graffiti is awesome. I've never seen that clip of Tony Hawk saying graffiti is bad, but it's so weird.. I skate, and I feel that graffiti is is pretty important to skate culture.
Yeah -- I can’t blame him much really. He was a kid, was probably pushed into do it by his PR/management for “image”. It’s a hilarious PSA though, worth watching the full “movie”.
@@dailymindtrap Just watched it and you're right. Graffitiing kool gang killed me 🤣
Hahahaha I know, amazing. :D
I used to do some tagging in high school, mainly restroom stuff and once defaced the back of a building. After high school and subsequently the military, I started doing more stencil like art work (nothing illegal though). Now in my mid-thirties, I'm doing game development; idk if there's any coloration just wanted to share.
Hey yeah I think any skills we develop as kids we carry for the rest of our lives. Especially when it comes to creativity I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you ended up with a creative job like game development. I’m glad you didn’t give up on making stuff, sometimes people do. But it seems to have taken you somewhere you (hopefully) enjoy. ^^ Thanks for commenting, I hope you liked the vid.
Picture a graffiti artist who only scribbles historical tags in perfect Latin, just to bamboozle people and see if anyone catches on.
I mean…….. I’m here for it.
Similar but not, there’s a street artist in Melbourne who makes “stone-like” slabs with ancient and indigenous looking paintings on them. Sort of mimicking ancient Egyptian artefacts. I love them.
@@dailymindtrapOh snap! I just learned somethin' new today.
I think graffiti is based and should be legal.
Yeah - I wonder what would happen if it was?
the illegal aspect is part of the allure.
Exactly!
Graffiti makes a boring city feel alive, every moral has a story, every piece has a vision. Art is Art
I want to see an exploration of graffiti and class under capitalism. There are critiques to be made that it's a form of advertising from the under class, and that it can be seen as claiming ownership for people that own nothing. That said, there's also the middle class values of street art, and privileged posers - just like there are white Australian rappers that act like they're from the Bronx but went to private schools.
Good point. It’s certainly worth another video essay but I don’t know if I’ll be the one to do it. I think artists and creatives, no matter the class they belong to, medium choose etc, all struggle with similar demons. I won’t be the one to say “you went to private school so you shouldn’t try to make art” - if anything the pressure to achieve success is probably higher for those folks. I’d rather focus on shifting narratives on taboo subjects and fostering empathy for groups that have misconceptions about them. Thanks for your comment, hope you liked the vid!
@@dailymindtrapabsolutely. I grew up fairly privileged, but thanks to adhd, being a immigrant, and other stuff, I never fit in. Adding to that was empathy for oppressed people, and just being smart enough to see how bullshit and unfair the capitalist system was.
So I started writing. I was 20 before I first picked up a spray can, but within two years I was one of the most "up" names in my city and my lawyer warned me that I would go to jail.
I haven't touched a fat cap or refilled a homemade marker in a decade now, but I still miss it. The adrenaline, and "sticking it to the man". I still feel like that- one cannot hate on graffiti artists (or even taggers) and not hold the same disgust and anger towards advertising.
Its fucked up we've convinced people that kids drawing is a heinous crime, but corporations showing fucking obnoxious videos by the traffic lights is fine because they have a product to sell. Its all visual pollution and invasion of space, why is one acceptable?
Yes, tagging is ugly and lame. If you're going to write something, at least make it worth it while I am breaking my neck trying to read it.
However, we all started somewhere - no matter the age. Being a bad artist in public should not be illegal. I fact, we should celebrate them getting better, every step of the way.
If we are going to talk about cleaning up the streets, number one on my list is indeed lame and ugly and, worst of all, misinforming advertisements. They ought to be illegal.
Instead of children, how about we punish stakeholders and CEOs as if they were adults?
Hahaha I will remember that forever: “lame, ugly… and misinforming advertisements.”
There’s definitely a power difference when it comes to how we police our public areas. If you can afford to put your billboard there, you own the eyeballs that see your ad.
Hope you enjoyed the vid. Thanks for commenting :)
@dailymindtrap absolutely, loved the analysis, commentary and editing. Looking forward to whatever is next!
I really appreciate that, thank you.
As a writer myself, this was a great thinking exercise. Writers usually don't stop to reflect so much about all this, they just go get up lol
Yeah of course - you’re busy doing your thing. Over-analysing subjects and making videos is my thing lol ^^
The algorithm is doing its damn thang cause this video is perfect for me. I was a writer for years but even though I don't write anymore I still enjoy documenting what I see on the streets. Oh yeah and its Graffiti > Street Art till the death of me!
I’m so glad you liked the video!
I think graffiti and street art are separate art forms with their own motivations and intentions and I can’t compare them but will happily see them sit side by side. :)
Train spots are referred to as “yards” and really high dangerous spots are referred to as “heaven spots”
excellent video! so well thought out and constructed. i really enjoyed:)
Thanks for the comment! I’m happy you liked it ^^
If you pay attn to graffiti it can be a game to find specific writers work.
I played jet set radio so obviously I love graffiti
Ahhh yessssss
🧱🖌 tagging the comment section on this great video for the algorithm
Thank you, she needs it! ^^
“Graffiti crews are pretty uncommon” uhh no, that’s how crews from different places represent if you look at a tag or mural it’s bound to have a crew tag next to it
Came for graffiti, got an amazing essay into the history of society and family ❤
It’s all connected ^^ Glad you enjoyed it. I like your videos btw.
that autism billboard was insane wtf 😭 was that a real thing?
Yep, I know! PETA.
Peta always pulling some crazy shi
Graffiti is great... if:
1) it looks good
2) follows the writers code
3) its on something blank or ugly
When there's a street sign that says "Welcome to our town!" and some idiot toy paints "SANO" across it, it's just cringe. Paint the back of the sign.
Cool video, I find graffiti so fascinating and the hatred for it completely irrational.
Yeah for sure. Why can’t we all just ask more questions about each other? Might help with the squabbling.
crafty with yarm!!! OMG instant classic!!!
🧶 ^^
Yeah Vandalism!
Wild style is just one style of graffiti that came frm New York I wouldn’t deem it to be at the top (also unreadable sometimes), it’s just whatever mural absolutely crushes the spot it can even be big ass 3d block letters 😂
such a great video!!!
Thanks, glad you liked it! ^^
To me, some graffiti feels like the margin notes made in a contentious book.
that’s because anyone can do it. not everybody who goes out with a marker or spray can is actually learning the fundamentals of graffiti and practicing before doing so. a lot are just kids trying to rebel against a world that tries to keep them down
It's called graffiti whether it's legal or not because that's the name of the art form not the act.
A video essay???? on graffiti??? Oml we eating gooooood tonight
Awesome!
Thanks!! :)
It may just be me, but the background music was too loud for me to focus on what you were saying. I'll have to watch later with subtitles and no sound when I'm not multitasking.
Good feedback thanks! I’ll work on it for next time. :)
One minute in, and you do have street art and graffiti mixed up/lumped in together. They are different~ and it is important. Also, would cave drawings be considered graffiti? I disagree. Tags on the pyramids from explorers, getting closer.
Hey, I hope you watched the rest of the video. My focus was definitely on graffiti, not street art - but of course they do share similar spaces and occasionally mediums. But unfortunately garner very different responses from “the public”. As far as ‘archaeological graffiti’ goes, I think it’s interesting how we define the action of humans drawing on walls - over time and in different places. I’m not sure what your argument against the terminology is but happy to hear it if you want to elaborate? Happy to see another Aussie RUclipsr btw! There’s not that many of us. ^^
@@dailymindtrapi think its generally agreed that street art is commissioned & legal while graffiti is vandalism & illegal. even if you look at ancient graffiti, you can see moments where the person writing either got caught or ran away before finishing their tag. so i’d say it not being socially accepted is the main distinguishing factor
I did not agree to my home being your canvas.
if you live in your home, that’s not public or private property, so anyone who wasnt a toy would avoid tagging on it
Its a very small portion of all the graffiti out there that actually looks good. 90% of "tags" are literal scribbles that take no effort and look ugly
no way AVOGADRO??
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writing this at the bigging but my thought clicking this is why is a photograph of Graphite art but the graphite is illegal
Not sure I get you. But the illegality is only to do with the surface its on - because of property laws. The medium used doesn’t necessarily matter.
@@dailymindtrap i Guse i was reflecting on that photos of graphite are considered art and are sold at galleries and parsed, thet most people see graphite as an eye sore and criminal problem instead of artistic expression
Yeah absolutely. It’s a bit of a double standard where street art or graffiti is only accepted into the elite art world when it meets certain criteria - and yet out on the streets it’s still illegal.
@@dailymindtrap yaah that's kind of what i was getting at but even deeper that because of the legalism, the experiences of the art become ugly to a lot of people as it is but when raped up in an "exemptible bow" it suddenly becomes art and the sadness of this is that we as a peoples ability to impact our world is limited, think of all the things that would need to be different in a world where graphite was not a crime and that open expression and alteration/improvement of the shared billet environment was up to individuals discretion
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pam the bird isn't a tag?! i clicked to see if u are aussie (✔️) coz graffiti been in the news then clicked to see if pam there (❌️)... is your timing just a coincidence? if not, why no bird? 🐦
Hahaha yeah I know. The clip of Pam must’ve gotten cut in the final edit and the day after I released the video the artists were taken in by police. Ah well 😂
banksy sucks and isn't a graffiti artist, good video tho
based as fuck
Hahaha - damn I shouldn’t have cut the diss on Banksy section. You would’ve liked it.
seeing the first 1 min of this vid i already know that u really dont know anything about it
Well I hope you kept watching anyway… it gets better, I think. lol
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