I’m not so sure that’s true. The majority of people will not do optional donations. Even less people will donate if they don’t perceive they get much value out it, and they will donate a smaller amount and will not likely do repeat donations. I don’t think many people think they are getting a lot of value out of wordle. Then you still have to worry about cease and desists for copycats, and whatever other tasks, however small, go with being the owner of it. Or you can just take the payout of more than a million dollars and walk away. I’d take the latter.
@@pieflies I would also take the latter, but donations would still make more than 36 dollars. Even if 2 million people are not that into donating, it would still be a nice sum to have earned
How exactly does what you mentioned at 4:13 work? The ISPs would not be able to read headers and make any informed decisions based on them if using HTTPS, what exactly is the caching solution you reference here?
OK, so the accurate response is "crap, I always forget that literally everything's on HTTPS now so anything based on caching headers is basically dead." My bad. There is a potentially interesting conversation about why Wordle would require HTTPS given there's no sensitive data being transferred, and another one about mobile telecom providers installing their own SSL certs on their devices so they can decrypt traffic in transit to do these kinds of optimisations... but, yeah. HTTP caching is one of those things I always forgot isn't anything like as widespread as it used to be. Sorry.
@@DylanBeattie Thanks for the clarification! I tried looking it up and what I got was that basically all such functionality was discontinued. While Wordle (old one, at least) didn't need HTTPS I'm sure all the browser warnings would've prevented, or at least hindered, it taking off.
@@DylanBeattie This just makes me wonder why HTTPS doesn't support AEAD, allowing the server to sign/MAC but not encrypt HTTP content as it wishes, such as providing a hash of request path along with a Cache-Control value.
@@DylanBeattie If the wordle server was behind something like Cloudflare, then there would be edge caching in the way you were thinking of. As to why HTTPS - you want to ensure that you're getting the original code, and not a version with ads and spyware injected. Perhaps in the future we'll have something (maybe Subresource Integrity attributes allowing HTTP reqs in HTTPS?) to allow secure caching of public resources.
great video Dylan! As an aussie , it kinda shocked me to hear your specific example referencing Telstra. Either you know your audience or are trying to tap into the market down under 😂 Either way you got yourself a new subscriber! P.S. i just noticed a Sydney ferry in your profile pic so thats where the Australian reference must have come from!
I bet many more would have reacted the same way. In general, the higher the price the smaller the number of people who buy the thing. I actually thought that would be the first punchline: that Wordle would've been a lot less popular.
I love how everyone role you mentioned youd have to hire other than accountant is a position solo devs typically end up filling for their hopeful side projects.
I've made a few games using just basic JS, HTML and CSS, but I usually really needed to keep the cache deactivated to quickly redeploy to fix bugs or improve UX. Then again, I 'released' my projects when they were half done
I've thought a lot about how to enhance talks and one obvious way was to prerecord it with better audio, editing and graphics (since you can make those on editing and you don't have to trigger them manually they can be better). It's great to watch how that could look.
It would be so cool if we could make it easy for someone to pay a tiny amount of money. The problem is if it was easy to pay someone a small amount of money, we'd soon get begging and worried it would end up like email (I'm thinking of you talk on why we're not allowed nice things). He should have popped to a Wetherspoons with a load of mates and said I'm in the Red Lion in Reading on table 10. Buy me a beer if you want to say thanks 😂
It's almost like if we lived in a society where we valued giving things away, and just helping people meet there needs, everything would be better. 🥺 (Bring on the revolution! Down with capitalism!)
Sure would be a lot more feasible to charge a small amount for it if it was just released under MIT License but downloadable via the official website with a one-off payment using cryptocurrency.
That was a lot more interesting than I expected from the video title.
I wonder how successful Wordle would have been if it hadn't arrived at a time when the whole world was stuck at home and bored.
Probably still viral - plenty of people have 5 minutes on a commute.
Wow, really nice thought experiment!
Fascinating as always!
Setting a donation service would have made him squillions and cost him nothing but tax.
I’m not so sure that’s true.
The majority of people will not do optional donations. Even less people will donate if they don’t perceive they get much value out it, and they will donate a smaller amount and will not likely do repeat donations.
I don’t think many people think they are getting a lot of value out of wordle.
Then you still have to worry about cease and desists for copycats, and whatever other tasks, however small, go with being the owner of it.
Or you can just take the payout of more than a million dollars and walk away.
I’d take the latter.
@@pieflies I would also take the latter, but donations would still make more than 36 dollars. Even if 2 million people are not that into donating, it would still be a nice sum to have earned
How exactly does what you mentioned at 4:13 work? The ISPs would not be able to read headers and make any informed decisions based on them if using HTTPS, what exactly is the caching solution you reference here?
OK, so the accurate response is "crap, I always forget that literally everything's on HTTPS now so anything based on caching headers is basically dead." My bad.
There is a potentially interesting conversation about why Wordle would require HTTPS given there's no sensitive data being transferred, and another one about mobile telecom providers installing their own SSL certs on their devices so they can decrypt traffic in transit to do these kinds of optimisations... but, yeah. HTTP caching is one of those things I always forgot isn't anything like as widespread as it used to be. Sorry.
@@DylanBeattie Thanks for the clarification! I tried looking it up and what I got was that basically all such functionality was discontinued.
While Wordle (old one, at least) didn't need HTTPS I'm sure all the browser warnings would've prevented, or at least hindered, it taking off.
@@DylanBeattie This just makes me wonder why HTTPS doesn't support AEAD, allowing the server to sign/MAC but not encrypt HTTP content as it wishes, such as providing a hash of request path along with a Cache-Control value.
@@DylanBeattie If the wordle server was behind something like Cloudflare, then there would be edge caching in the way you were thinking of.
As to why HTTPS - you want to ensure that you're getting the original code, and not a version with ads and spyware injected. Perhaps in the future we'll have something (maybe Subresource Integrity attributes allowing HTTP reqs in HTTPS?) to allow secure caching of public resources.
great video Dylan! As an aussie , it kinda shocked me to hear your specific example referencing Telstra. Either you know your audience or are trying to tap into the market down under 😂 Either way you got yourself a new subscriber!
P.S. i just noticed a Sydney ferry in your profile pic so thats where the Australian reference must have come from!
I wouldn't have played it.
@@AnnCatsanndra this is my favourite answer. 🤠
I bet many more would have reacted the same way. In general, the higher the price the smaller the number of people who buy the thing. I actually thought that would be the first punchline: that Wordle would've been a lot less popular.
Me neither. Not for the price, but because I don't give my personal data that lightly.
I love how everyone role you mentioned youd have to hire other than accountant is a position solo devs typically end up filling for their hopeful side projects.
Interesting video, thanks Dylan!
I've made a few games using just basic JS, HTML and CSS, but I usually really needed to keep the cache deactivated to quickly redeploy to fix bugs or improve UX. Then again, I 'released' my projects when they were half done
You need to use fingerprinting strategy for your assets
Interesting. It's a wonder to me that Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection has remained unsullied for so many years.
I've heard talk about this before, was it in one of your talks?
Ok, i've watched it now. It has to be from your talks.
I've thought a lot about how to enhance talks and one obvious way was to prerecord it with better audio, editing and graphics (since you can make those on editing and you don't have to trigger them manually they can be better). It's great to watch how that could look.
The dudes last name is Wardle?! 💀
there would have immediately been free clones of it
I play wordle without an account. It doesn't track my stats but I'm happy with that.
I would have never been so invested in knowing the spelling of 5 letter non-plural words.
It would be so cool if we could make it easy for someone to pay a tiny amount of money. The problem is if it was easy to pay someone a small amount of money, we'd soon get begging and worried it would end up like email (I'm thinking of you talk on why we're not allowed nice things).
He should have popped to a Wetherspoons with a load of mates and said I'm in the Red Lion in Reading on table 10. Buy me a beer if you want to say thanks 😂
Crypto works really well for small payments (i.e. dogecoin transactions are basically free) but yeah, is crypto
I’d still rather take the NY Times payout.
Disappointed you didn't use a Obsidian Kanban board :P
Put it on IPFS or comparable. Have players implicitly support their favourite game.
It's almost like if we lived in a society where we valued giving things away, and just helping people meet there needs, everything would be better. 🥺
(Bring on the revolution! Down with capitalism!)
ya, "almost" like that
I keep hearing "Josh Wordle" whenever someone mentions him, and think it's one of those memes like sans undertale.
gave up on wordle shortly after the NYT version, the xordle "variant" is way more fun anyway,
Squaredle kicks Worldle's @ss.
Money is killing every good thing in this world.
Capitalism :(
you can probably pay $0.00002 with a crypto coin such as brave rewards
whats a wordle
Sure would be a lot more feasible to charge a small amount for it if it was just released under MIT License but downloadable via the official website with a one-off payment using cryptocurrency.