I've scrapped one of these as well. I did a series of teardowns of some of the modules on my channel. The build quality of this equipment is phenominal
A mistake I made in my life was being distracted by sin. If only I spent Time actually learning these systems instead of scraping them I would have been playing with something like this Beauty. Great Content Chris. 👍
Looks like the HMC (hardware management console) is still in there; it's the small unit which sits between the power supplies and the processor books and has a CD-ROM drive on the front of it.
+douro20 Nope - the HMC is a separate machine outside the chassis. The thing you are describing is the media drawer. It contains the DVD drive used to install the LPARs and is connected to the I/O drawer through a SAS cable.
if I recount, these DO have PCIe, and IBM software could and continues to interface with professional (Quadro, Tesla, Firepro) graphics cards, so it's technically possible. Cost effective? LOL no
They probably use three temperature sensors to be able to get quorum. If one of the three values is different, it's likely the wrong one ;) About the huge modules in the back: IBM often uses modules containing their own lifting / insertion mechanisms so that's probably the case here, too. They even have custom tools (veeeery long hex drivers) because the screws operating the mechanism are often buried so deep inside the module that they have to use guiding tubes to ensure you can reach them reliably.
That's right.... I have some of these special tools like screwdrivers with a preset torque. The lifting mechanisms are marvels of mechanical enginnering and expensive of their own. And complicated to install. It is easier to call a colleague to help lifting the books in and out.
whats sad is anything computer wise becomes obsolete in 2.5 years [new moors law], so you spend 100M now and in 5 years there will be computers 4 times faster for the same cost
A 10 year old Q6600 CPU is still a fine machine and we use as a build server for continous integration compilation tests on a 14/6 basis (because of the floating work hours from Mo-Sa) in our company
+Christian Schneider Good question... EEPROMS is possible. It could also be some temperture sensors, voltage or current sensors... That machine was built in 2008.
+chrigel1234 Is it normal for mainframes to be used less than 10 years? I always thought they are being run forever and the big banks still have VAXes in the basement.
+Christian Schneider Well - once they are marked as End-of-Life, getting them serviced gets really expensive. Because of that, customers usually try to keep their inventory up to date and replace the older models with more recent ones on a regular basis. The really big customers have gotten used to new z Systems models coming out about every 2 years and already include that in their financial planning (they have multiple generations running and always replace the oldest ones). What is being run "forever" is the software - that's why z Systems are backward compatible straight through to System 360 from the 60s. The p Systems series is geared towards scientific computing and the folks there usually want to be at the bleeding edge. For those guys, 10 years is a very long time. PS: I think the proper plural there is VAXen ;)
+anton arnqvist We provide hardware service to many customers. Small servers to huge mainframes and we need spare machines to be able to react quickly. When customers change their hardware, we don't need some systems anymore...
...very carefully... :-) It's the thermal paste that acts like glue. Try twisting the chip on the heatsink. If that does not work, try to get some alcohol between chip and sink... that will dissolve the paste. Dump it into a container with alcohol and leave it there for a day. There are some heatsinks with a screw in the center. DO NOT USE that screw to press the chip away, it will break. I tried and it broke... But if you remove that screw, you can use the hole to fill some alcohol in.
Vi Wo Which one is the steam engine I'm a bit confused? Servers are normally very good at data processing and number crunching not so good for viewing Facebook pages.
Are machines like these still build? Like the one you once had on your channel with swapable RAM cages. Aren't mordern components at such a high clock, which makes it impossible to have the ram so far away?
I know a high end graphics artist who used Symbolics with HDTV output back in 1991. Seeing that while owning an Amiga was time travelling. He must have paid an insane amount of price for both hardware and software. Of course, with such a gift in animation&graphics he must have made the cost in 1 year. Things become really interesting when a Car corp uses this or a financial institution.
Can the hours you spend pulling all the part from it really make up for the money you can get selling the scrap parts from it? What do you make in an hour?
compared with casual work like engineering, scrapping things for gold or copper doesn't really pay you. It is something you do for fun, in your spare time. You spend hours and hours to generate 1g of gold worth 30 Euro, while you get like 70 to 120 Euro per hour for engineering.
oracle software too, maybe microsoft stuff aswell. ms got interesting license policy, u got server license, client license and CAL Client Access license that your client can connect to the server.
Largely used for Oracle, some DB2, and WebSphere, SAP, running on IBM AIX (UNIX). This machine also supported Red Hat 5, perhaps SUSE SLES 8 or 9. This machine is likely Power6, possibly Power5, and it is big endian only, while x86, where Linux grew up, is little endian. So there was very little Linux uptake on IBM Power, before Power8 which offered support of both big and little endian Linux distros.
Exotic if you look IBM design Apple Mac G5 with cooling,quantum not type processors,PowerPC series,which it is related by is neither,besides what is a 'book'?
@@stevebez2767 A "book" is that vertical component he slid out of the frame. Inside it were four, 2-core chips. 8 cores in a book, 8 books in a frame, for a 64 core machine. The current Power9 950 has 48 cores, in 5U of 19 inch rack space, or 192 cores in the p980.
No, not x86, but IBM's PowerISA v.2.05 (RISC) 64 bit architecture. Nothing too special, maybe for 08? Besides, IBM has been using PowerISA RISC architecture for decades. Hope that helps.
When you buy one of these, for the first 10 years you are actually leasing it from IBM. So IBM scales the cost based on your needs (how much memory you need, how much CPU cores, how much IO ports etc), and everything can get activated (enabled) as your needs grow. Then once you maxed out one CPU/Memory book, you add the next book and so you keep growing - and spending more money. :-)
'Book' refers too what though,it's completely unused not set up,those missing modules and serial setups oo hoo,hope you build restore an show us again,c.p.u memo for store bus or ???
Hello and sorry cause my english spoken is really a joke. Despite this is an "old" video, i'm pretty sure it still has a large success. Thank you soooo much having made this video. Very informative and interesting. This said, those computing devices are ton of time less glamour than a home computer lol. Kinda like a computer for truck mechanic guys? Just teasing hey ha ha ha h ah ha! I'm from Euro too, France and i'd like to count you as my friend so i could get some Xeon stuffs lol 😂 . TYVM once more, thumb up, subscribed, peace ☮ . Oh and btw, change your channel name and add some words related to computing and/or electronic into it because you really desserve more views. Don't stick with that "Play with Junk" so geeks people will never meet you on YTube and this is sad. I discovered your channel accidentally.
I've scrapped one of these as well. I did a series of teardowns of some of the modules on my channel.
The build quality of this equipment is phenominal
A mistake I made in my life was being distracted by sin. If only I spent Time actually learning these systems instead of scraping them I would have been playing with something like this Beauty.
Great Content Chris.
👍
A lot of great engineering goes into the overall packaging of these systems, its cool to see it in action, thanks
Looks like the HMC (hardware management console) is still in there; it's the small unit which sits between the power supplies and the processor books and has a CD-ROM drive on the front of it.
+douro20 Nope - the HMC is a separate machine outside the chassis. The thing you are describing is the media drawer. It contains the DVD drive used to install the LPARs and is connected to the I/O drawer through a SAS cable.
zSeries may have its HMC on the frame. pSeries like this, HMC is a separate 1U server with a 1U keyboard/display kit in a 19 inch rack.
wow again... you have the greatest job!
totally true
But can it run Crysi.......... Never mind.
lol probably 5 instances of it at once xD
I don't think it even has a graphics card.
if I recount, these DO have PCIe, and IBM software could and continues to interface with professional (Quadro, Tesla, Firepro) graphics cards, so it's technically possible. Cost effective? LOL no
Doubtful Crisis doesnt really thread well
Can it run Road rash😅
thank you for sharing your disassembly, are you intending to sell the CPUs?
hi,9119-FHA is a Power 595 system based on Power6 .
You should send a few chips to the Deus Ex Silicium guy, that'd make for cool microscopy :3
They probably use three temperature sensors to be able to get quorum. If one of the three values is different, it's likely the wrong one ;)
About the huge modules in the back:
IBM often uses modules containing their own lifting / insertion mechanisms so that's probably the case here, too. They even have custom tools (veeeery long hex drivers) because the screws operating the mechanism are often buried so deep inside the module that they have to use guiding tubes to ensure you can reach them reliably.
That's right.... I have some of these special tools like screwdrivers with a preset torque.
The lifting mechanisms are marvels of mechanical enginnering and expensive of their own. And complicated to install. It is easier to call a colleague to help lifting the books in and out.
Built 8 years ago and already obsolete.
yes it's sad. That's 1.25 Milliions write off per year!
whats sad is anything computer wise becomes obsolete in 2.5 years [new moors law], so you spend 100M now and in 5 years there will be computers 4 times faster for the same cost
i dont think so.... moore's law is already obsolete!
WeedGames no it was updated to 2.5 years
A 10 year old Q6600 CPU is still a fine machine and we use as a build server for continous integration compilation tests on a 14/6 basis (because of the floating work hours from Mo-Sa) in our company
Great insight. What are the little chips on the CPU modules? EEPROMs with the serial number? How old is this machine?
+Christian Schneider
Good question... EEPROMS is possible. It could also be some temperture sensors, voltage or current sensors...
That machine was built in 2008.
+chrigel1234 Is it normal for mainframes to be used less than 10 years? I always thought they are being run forever and the big banks still have VAXes in the basement.
+Christian Schneider Most probably EEPROMs
+Christian Schneider Well - once they are marked as End-of-Life, getting them serviced gets really expensive. Because of that, customers usually try to keep their inventory up to date and replace the older models with more recent ones on a regular basis. The really big customers have gotten used to new z Systems models coming out about every 2 years and already include that in their financial planning (they have multiple generations running and always replace the oldest ones).
What is being run "forever" is the software - that's why z Systems are backward compatible straight through to System 360 from the 60s.
The p Systems series is geared towards scientific computing and the folks there usually want to be at the bleeding edge. For those guys, 10 years is a very long time.
PS: I think the proper plural there is VAXen ;)
What do you do with the CPUs after you've removed them?
I really dig these videos ! Please don't stop uploading ! :D
Wonder how many cores and storage have now in 2017 in servers to monitor the entire population (fb and google)
Is the book core cpu compatible whit normal sockes, or can we make it work somehow?
Probably not, these things drain a lot of power. A lot of it
The cpu reminds me of the old AMD thunderbird sersies, whit the open core like that
@@VicGreenBitcoin en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER6
@@gabyalexe6638 I was shocked at the clock speeds of these CPUs. ~5 GHz in servers.. that's kind of insane to me, knowing very little about them.
Just imagine.. then you can install powervm and run a bunch of Linux and AIX VMs. this machine just rocks.
Where do you get this stuff?
+anton arnqvist We provide hardware service to many customers. Small servers to huge mainframes and we need spare machines to be able to react quickly. When customers change their hardware, we don't need some systems anymore...
Don't you sell them? D: Because I'm interested in 2xE5-2697 v2... just saying...
@@PlaywithJunk do u have something of DEC you dont need? I am collecting all dec equipment.
How did you managed to unglue the processor apart from the heatsink? it is stuck like hell...
...very carefully... :-)
It's the thermal paste that acts like glue. Try twisting the chip on the heatsink. If that does not work, try to get some alcohol between chip and sink... that will dissolve the paste. Dump it into a container with alcohol and leave it there for a day.
There are some heatsinks with a screw in the center. DO NOT USE that screw to press the chip away, it will break. I tried and it broke...
But if you remove that screw, you can use the hole to fill some alcohol in.
How fast is that system relative to a modern desktop pc or modern low end server?
+Coolkeys2009 Does not compare to a general purpose computer at all.
Simon Howes
Why not ? Apart from redundancy and reliability and hot swap features etc? What it's geek bench score :-)
+Coolkeys2009 they are entirely different from normal Desktops or servers
+Vi Wo think off a comparison between a steam train and a sportscar both Transport things but are completely different
Vi Wo Which one is the steam engine I'm a bit confused? Servers are normally very good at data processing and number crunching not so good for viewing Facebook pages.
What were these used for, and why was it so expensive (32GB RAM for $82500!)?
www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_sm/3/897/ENUS9119-_h03/index.html&lang=en&request_locale=en
Great video. We really need to get off the silicon and advance organic based computing.
Spectacular indeed,
Was it designed to survive a nuclear blast or something?
It was certainly designed to survive earthquakes.... there is an interesting video from IBM about the Z13.
@@PlaywithJunk okay cheers must look it up
Are machines like these still build? Like the one you once had on your channel with swapable RAM cages. Aren't mordern components at such a high clock, which makes it impossible to have the ram so far away?
Still actively building and running in data centres .... and extremely expensive
IBM still makes these servers for IT infrastructure. www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/?lnk=mpr_buit&lnk2=learn
@@且听风吟-v4w Scale out, 1U or 2U Power8 and Power9 servers are very aggressively priced.
Well, you noticed the DIMM slots in the "book," right next to the CPU sockets, right?
Those brackets are skookum as frig.
What was the useful life of this machine?
I've seen some running for over 10 years
$10 million to zero in less than 10 years. Incredible
Losing one million per year does normally mean bad business model... but not for IBM :-) They got the money.
I know a high end graphics artist who used Symbolics with HDTV output back in 1991. Seeing that while owning an Amiga was time travelling. He must have paid an insane amount of price for both hardware and software. Of course, with such a gift in animation&graphics he must have made the cost in 1 year. Things become really interesting when a Car corp uses this or a financial institution.
Versendest du kleinere Server nach Österreich?
Wie findet man dich auf Ricardo?
Can the hours you spend pulling all the part from it really make up for the money you can get selling the scrap parts from it? What do you make in an hour?
Recycling is not my job. I'm not doing this for money. I do the videos after work.
Ok, And i´m looking forward for more videos :) Are you planning to do gold extraction sometime in the future as a video idea?
compared with casual work like engineering, scrapping things for gold or copper doesn't really pay you. It is something you do for fun, in your spare time. You spend hours and hours to generate 1g of gold worth 30 Euro, while you get like 70 to 120 Euro per hour for engineering.
@@PlaywithJunk why not as lots of parts could probably be sold on ebay
activation is payed per gb
O_o
what a special world
oracle software too, maybe microsoft stuff aswell. ms got interesting license policy, u got server license, client license and CAL Client Access license that your client can connect to the server.
i wonder why did they use those spring contacts for the cpu, and not a intel- like lga socket
+costyytsoc This is simpler and simpler means more reliable.
The fragile pins end up on a relatively cheap part instead of the CPU or motherboard.
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...thanks.
We're do you scrap this stuff? Please tell me so I can grab one
ikr jsut give me one for free plz
Verkaufst du solches Zeugs auch auf Ricardo oder so? wäre Teilweise daran Interessiert, solche Sachen zu kaufen :D
Manchma ja... was suchst Du denn so?
what was a typical use for one of These an what was running on them ?
Database server. Something like this would have a huge disk array connected and serve millions of users, think something like Target or Wal-mart.
Largely used for Oracle, some DB2, and WebSphere, SAP, running on IBM AIX (UNIX). This machine also supported Red Hat 5, perhaps SUSE SLES 8 or 9. This machine is likely Power6, possibly Power5, and it is big endian only, while x86, where Linux grew up, is little endian. So there was very little Linux uptake on IBM Power, before Power8 which offered support of both big and little endian Linux distros.
You really throw all that into junk-yard ? Can't some parts like RAM still be sold as spares?
Hi
Do you know "You have my dream job!"?
Is there any way to join you?
I guess they used it for word processing.
What are the books he's talking about? Did i missed something?
book is how IBM calls those CPU module drawers
For $ 10.000.000 I could have bought 2.000 Pentium MMX with 200 Mhz.
Do IBM still make machines like this and if so what the list price.
+Dave Bassett
You may Google for "IBM Power 6 (or 7) price". I'm sure the $ numbers will be interestingly high.
Google for power 795, these go round the millions.
And the new 2017 IBM Mainframe Z13 cost around a billion
IBM started Power9 deliveries in Dec 2017. The current "enterprise" models are p950, p980. This server is Power5 or Power6, 2004-2010.
Do you ebay the cpu chips? Would live one for my collection..
He does, dont know his eBay account though, if you google the CPU you can usually get them for about $80.
how many FPS will the maincraft run
Honestly for today hardware make any sense that server? Just to know my be it is but I question myself based on hardware Power now days
The support for powerPc has started growing again, and you can run most lixux distros on it
Wow echt geiles Video. Der Prozessor ist echt genial. Der würde mir auch gefallen als Sammlerstück. 👍👍👍👍👍
Does Google chrome lagging?
OMG....where do you get this stuff from?? Great video.
yep, I saw your answer!
so are these x86_64 powerpc arm or something truely exotic?
This system has IBM Power5 processors. That's a chip spacially designed for this machine.
VERRY exotic Would be good for platform agnostic shit tho (like java) Would make a killer minecraft server
Exotic if you look IBM design Apple Mac G5 with cooling,quantum not type processors,PowerPC series,which it is related by is neither,besides what is a 'book'?
@@stevebez2767 A "book" is that vertical component he slid out of the frame. Inside it were four, 2-core chips. 8 cores in a book, 8 books in a frame, for a 64 core machine. The current Power9 950 has 48 cores, in 5U of 19 inch rack space, or 192 cores in the p980.
No, not x86, but IBM's PowerISA v.2.05 (RISC) 64 bit architecture. Nothing too special, maybe for 08? Besides, IBM has been using PowerISA RISC architecture for decades.
Hope that helps.
hi the link to part 1 would be nice ?
Come on....! Thats not so hard to find. Go to my channel, click "Videos" and you^ll find it next to the vid you just watched.
why it`s so expensive?
It says junk....
I'm crying....
Wow stacked ram
Wie schnell war so ram damals? Interessante Videos :)
Ich denke die entsprechen so in etwa PC3-10600.
danke
these cpus are so beautyful... i want one of these on my shelv
I can't find the part 1 and 3...
There is no part 3..... Just watch PWJ32, that's part 1.
Looks like the chip will make a good prop for Skynet evil super computer movie, or maybe a T-800 terminator CPU :)
Can you please tell us what CPU this is?
It's got IBM Power5 CPU's if the name's anything to say about it. I always thought these units had Power7's but I don't know much about IBM's systems.
Ah, thanks.
Yes. P595 is Power 5 CPU.. the current generation is almost Power 9
I thought the much. I've always been an SGI guy overall, lol, i've only worked on one IBM system ahhah
I really want an SGI
these are losted for 45,000 on ebay. no ones buying them tho... I wonder how it compares per watt to modern desktops...
+Jay Walt servers and desktops are two different beasts, especially with a server like this
This is were neither server nor desktop
Its completely different computer for different task
This thing is extremely over-engineered. I can't imagine how much just the chassis and materials cost.
Well.... -> 9119-FHA Base Frame (Rack) $91'000 I don't know what is included into this "Base Frame" but that will give you an idea :-)
Thank you for the interesting video!
I would had pulled out the book actuators and kept them...
....is that an fsp?
What is "activation" thing
When you buy one of these, for the first 10 years you are actually leasing it from IBM. So IBM scales the cost based on your needs (how much memory you need, how much CPU cores, how much IO ports etc), and everything can get activated (enabled) as your needs grow. Then once you maxed out one CPU/Memory book, you add the next book and so you keep growing - and spending more money. :-)
There are actually lots of those old high end Power systems still running in most of the data centres of big banks in China. xD
is there any vacancy ?????
Sorry you can't have my job :-)
These are so "over engineered" yet make totally absorbing films. Nice films.
Stuart Grant at ten mil it better be! I think the attention to detail is what makes it so fascinating, don't you?
I was just thinking the same the aluminium bracket was massive. I guess everything is like that for heat wicking?
videos like this, will be all that's left
that's why I'm doing these videos. So I can keep them without running out of storage space.
Sis wos a rilii guud video mei fräänd. Sänkiu a lot!
Sörtituu gigabeit 😂😂😂 that’s so funny!
Can it run PUBG in 60fps?
im a in the heavy steele industry! this is awesome too :D
Thats some expensive junk!
'Book' refers too what though,it's completely unused not set up,those missing modules and serial setups oo hoo,hope you build restore an show us again,c.p.u memo for store bus or ???
Watt Thought, think chapter verse ,parallels ,victuals, amdahls, palo altos?!Blue books so...
IBM promised to have a relative of THIS to become portable-friendly to Steve Jobs. (ex PPC970 user here)
Onde posso achar servidores desse só que em vez de processadores fracos colocar 120 processadores i7
Whts the opreting system the
Some Linux distro (64 bit). Probably RHEL.
the accent is strong in this one
may the accent be with you...
Hello and sorry cause my english spoken is really a joke. Despite this is an "old" video, i'm pretty sure it still has a large success. Thank you soooo much having made this video. Very informative and interesting. This said, those computing devices are ton of time less glamour than a home computer lol. Kinda like a computer for truck mechanic guys? Just teasing hey ha ha ha h ah ha! I'm from Euro too, France and i'd like to count you as my friend so i could get some Xeon stuffs lol 😂 . TYVM once more, thumb up, subscribed, peace ☮ . Oh and btw, change your channel name and add some words related to computing and/or electronic into it because you really desserve more views. Don't stick with that "Play with Junk" so geeks people will never meet you on YTube and this is sad. I discovered your channel accidentally.
will it run minesweeper?
nope. no gpu
damn... :( and i was going to buy something like this... dammit
i guess my custom water cooled computer build wrongly, because the most expensive one doesn't even use that kind of cooling.
An IBM Power5 Multi Chip Module.
what is his job?
Whose job?
@@PlaywithJunk your
How many Flops?
One
try on the most expensive system to play Tetris?!?
what a shame to scrap all these cool machines...
So many mechanical complications there, just to make it incompatible with cheaper alternative parts.
Like a Car people drive, or Apple and MS laptop/phone/case.
What alternative parts could you use, if not for mechanical incompatibility?
Warum muss das so unglaublich stabil gebaut sein, solche Material Verschwendung! Ist in paar Jahren sowieso schon wieder out.
The amount of copper from the heat sinks could probably build you a decent gaming rig. lol
按照垃圾分类，这属于什么垃圾呢？
mainframe system not need because very expensive , But ife you dont have BANK :)
Awesome insight!
How the feck is it worth $10 million?
Can it run Minecraft?
Yeah it was playing live on MercuryNet,but isn't its usual as v.busy,on the buses,with yer 'book' Reg 3 wheels?
Thanks for the interesting videos
256Gb!
u had a calculator didnt you
amazing. big thumbs up.
Can you play games on this server
SkyNET v0.8 !!!
Bro hook me up with some RAM....
3 years later mac pro 1.5TB Ram in only one machine :)
You should be wearing hearing protection.
Use it to watch RUclips