Citroen was far ahead of its time, but things went wrong because of differents reasons, the final blow was the fusion with Peugeot, where Citroen became slowly a secondary brand, dying slowly.
Citroen in his prime was the best car manufacturer in the world, there were plenty of good cars but DS, CX and XM was on another level of comfort and tech
Actually the Merc W124 was offered with rear hydropnuematic on estates as standard and saloons as an option, it had good suspension but not a patch on a Citroen. Shame Citroen engineering’s so basic in the suspension department these days, even VW realise to make a decent riding car you need independent rear suspension.
So true! And to realise that even small Citroëns like 2CV and all successors up to and including the likes of Visa and AX used to have fully independent front _and rear_ suspension makes it even more sad 😕 Those weren't exactly expensive cars, so costs alone clearly don't justify inferior rear suspension constructions! Really hate the wobbly rear-end behaviour on (asymmetrically) uneven roads of these 'semi-independent' torsion axis rear suspensions so many (not just small) cars have these days 😭
I had a BX, 1.4l; my 1st car, dad gave it to me. It was fantastic, best thing ever; Top #1 suspension super comfy and nothing up to today matched it. Fantastic stuff
@@FEGTTTSDH those mercedes cars can still be found today in great shape with 500k+ km in them and are able to do 500k more easy , also citroen makes ugly cars always has , not to mention they are fr*nch
@@_stoupa2_397 I have a C3 1.4HDI from 2004 with more than 300K Km and the engine still in good condition, so what is the problem with the Citroen engines?
Yeah but today it is like this. Mercedes is one of if not the safest and comfortable cars. Also good handling. But porsche got the best handling in the world for normal street cars
The new 508 is however an awesome car (very last model) and can compete with E class / 5 series anytime. But Mercedes and BMW have an edge in crazy high hp with the amg range and the bmw Motorsport vehicles.
@Paul van der Wende when I was young my father had a 90s Peugeot which is basically the same brand. Very good, not that reliable though. I had driven it quite a lot of times. It seems that you don't know well Citroen. Citroen DS was a luxurious innovative car. They don't have anything like that today. Actually to be clear, the last 2 years of PSA group were very good, they started becoming higher quality and innovative again.
Fully expected the Citroen do do well in these situations, but the surprise to ❤me was the Fiat Croma which showed more competence than the German executives.
One of the highlights of this video, the covered car seems to be Honda Accord (CA), but I'm not sure. Can you let me know if you have another idea, guys?
Belle le sospensioni Citroen ma se nel 2022 di W124 se ne vedono ancora tante in giro e le altre auto del video oggi sono una rarità ci sarà un motivo.
@@enriquemalparidabermejo8332 not when an audi R8 cannot beat a 90s french fwd hatchback in handling and stability, or when a 90s french hatchback is more comfortable than a newer or same era S class, and I heard that BMW and Audi are still at the bottom of reliability charts
@@enriquemalparidabermejo8332They're only better at making ads to reset the brains of people. That's all. Even Japanese understood it, and always went to the French, rather than the Germans.
The hydropneumatic suspension is the best there is. Nothing can rival it! And today Citroen has gone down the drain and stopped producing it! And no one else does, either!
German cars suck at stabilizing even though their tank is more stable than my relationship, in Germany drivers taught how to perform evasive maneuvers in the Autobahn. :)
how many of those Citroen still running and how many of those mercedes are running ? engeneering is not only suspension. citroen have the best confort, other than that ...
Mercedes Benz sells car in far greater volume than Citroen does. There are good reasons for this: build quality and reliability. I remember when Citroen launched the C6 back in 2005. I even said if I bought one I hand it to BMW or Benz and pay 'em to take it to bits and put it back together properly.
The title is CarShit. If this site is on top of car technology it would know that German car engineering has always been superior to anything else on this planet. Even with regards to car suspension. This however does not invalidate that the hydro-pneumatic suspension of Citroen was a marvel although too complex to economically maintain in mass production.
Merc w124 isn't much worse than citroen, and you can't call this video poor german engierring because there is fiat and mercedes in those tests was good
I see mercedes did better also if oversteer itv took a sharper path, the citroen got very near the cones. I wont say "poor german engineering" these were european cars and still today we havent roads this large except autobahn and high speed roads where 130kph is the speed limit... This vid just shows failures including the citroen
fuck right off is the german engineering poor. Helps on the counter steering test that the citroen is FWD and the Mercedes is RWD, still didn't spin out. The w124 is a phenomenal machine that will never be beaten. and as for someone saying that the Mercedes had hydropneumatics suspension, you're wrong, saloons very rarely got Mercedes' SLS system, however it was standard on estate models.
In reality the Merc 124 is an excellently engineered car except for rust, and for a steel sprung car it did well, but it has to bow down to the Citroen's far better suspension system and other French quirk. Lets not talk about the Audi embarrassment, they were badly made cars that only sold due to Made in Germany tag.
@@clemenszink3823 And in rallying they were decimated by the 205T16 within the same season that they landed in Group B. Did you see how clumsy the Audi handled compared to the finely tuned 205T16?
@@dumpit3583 they did the Same test with a Citroen CX wich weight about 1.4-1.5 tons, the Audi was between about 1.1 and 1.5 Tons, the Mercedes e124 between 1.3 and 1.6 Tons, and the CX still handled better.
@@saccoearth007 Example: Suspension was made, bcs french roads were very bad after WW2. Second example: Citroëns anti-roll system was made for best cornering, which was and is best.
@@markusdecimus4732 they dont exist on the street because lot of "clever" people/mechanic, if you know what are you doing you gonna have almost no problem with the suspension,but its easier to say they are shit.
Not necessarily, it depends what you are comparing. Also pretty much all new VW/Skoda cars are bang average and using cheap materials or crappy engines. Even their high-end models like the arteon lack comfort or style.
Combining many factors, French cars provide better materials but sell at a more affordable price, while German cars are sold to customers at a high price.
Citroen really used to make some good cars
Yes! The DS, SM, GS, CX and XM!
Citroen was far ahead of its time, but things went wrong because of differents reasons, the final blow was the fusion with Peugeot, where Citroen became slowly a secondary brand, dying slowly.
Yes, used to.
Citroen in his prime was the best car manufacturer in the world, there were plenty of good cars but DS, CX and XM was on another level of comfort and tech
Also SM
We talk about quality.
You forgot BX
Actually the Merc W124 was offered with rear hydropnuematic on estates as standard and saloons as an option, it had good suspension but not a patch on a Citroen. Shame Citroen engineering’s so basic in the suspension department these days, even VW realise to make a decent riding car you need independent rear suspension.
So true! And to realise that even small Citroëns like 2CV and all successors up to and including the likes of Visa and AX used to have fully independent front _and rear_ suspension makes it even more sad 😕 Those weren't exactly expensive cars, so costs alone clearly don't justify inferior rear suspension constructions!
Really hate the wobbly rear-end behaviour on (asymmetrically) uneven roads of these 'semi-independent' torsion axis rear suspensions so many (not just small) cars have these days 😭
Your mom has an independent rear end.
Latest Citroen's hidropneumatic suspension, was far better and called hidractiv, because it was an active suspension.
@@Jesuscger it was semi active suspension..not active suspension. the only one active suspension in prpdcution car was made by Bosse
@@zepter00 you mean bose
I had a BX, 1.4l; my 1st car, dad gave it to me. It was fantastic, best thing ever; Top #1 suspension super comfy and nothing up to today matched it.
Fantastic stuff
Only if Citroen made their cars as good as back then 😞
definitely
Yeah but people doesn't buy it... They want a fancy german car even if is expensive and lacks equipment...
@@FEGTTTSDH those mercedes cars can still be found today in great shape with 500k+ km in them and are able to do 500k more easy , also citroen makes ugly cars always has , not to mention they are fr*nch
@@taroken8846 French cars can do over 500k+ km too. Some french engines are indestructible.
@@_stoupa2_397 I have a C3 1.4HDI from 2004 with more than 300K Km and the engine still in good condition, so what is the problem with the Citroen engines?
Citroen was in one word, futuristic .
Audi: i'm the best
Mercedes : no i'm best
Citroen : but it's opposite day
Meanwhile today, Citroen left the chat
The proof that what is expensive is not necessary better...
And what is German is not nescessarily better.
The CX was never a cheap car though.
@@mattiasjohansson1727 but not more expensive than the Mercedes and the Audi shown here
Yeah but today it is like this. Mercedes is one of if not the safest and comfortable cars. Also good handling. But porsche got the best handling in the world for normal street cars
@@felix5888because Citroen stopped making good cars since they dropped the C6
Cheri Cheri lady, going through emotion, love is where you find it, listen to your heart
Playing from a cassette in the Citroen BX player
It's sad that Citroen and Peugeot went downhill and started producing the crap that produce nowadays.
The new 508 is however an awesome car (very last model) and can compete with E class / 5 series anytime. But Mercedes and BMW have an edge in crazy high hp with the amg range and the bmw Motorsport vehicles.
I can tell you from my own experience that new Citroëns are not crap.
@Paul van der Wende when I was young my father had a 90s Peugeot which is basically the same brand. Very good, not that reliable though. I had driven it quite a lot of times. It seems that you don't know well Citroen. Citroen DS was a luxurious innovative car. They don't have anything like that today. Actually to be clear, the last 2 years of PSA group were very good, they started becoming higher quality and innovative again.
Rcz has awesome rally pontinal...and gt3
@@cloverhal2284 but they weight a lot...
And activa system is one if thé best suspension system
Citroen made better cars those day than now.
Back then their cars were among the top of the best, if not the best. Citroen invented so many things, was so innovative,... They have lost it all.
Fully expected the Citroen do do well in these situations, but the surprise to ❤me was the Fiat Croma which showed more competence than the German executives.
Knew all of these before :)
Although I'd put links from source films, not only because ownerships, but because of films themselves, they are great :)
Ok i found original,i will add in description :) ruclips.net/video/zcUSMJ_bEjw/видео.html
I simply love this video! Watched it couple of times...
Thanks again!
i like this part 1:15 best :)
Understandable :)
Great car with great 80s music...
I really enjoyed beggining with old DS-19 ad
Glory to Arstotzka.
What's the car at 2:00 with grey "scotch" ?
Just got a xantia, 1.9 sd. Great suspension
A good study and technical assembly with good materials results in a good car, regardless of the manufacturer that makes it.it.Citroen cx is a ejemplo
One of the highlights of this video, the covered car seems to be Honda Accord (CA), but I'm not sure. Can you let me know if you have another idea, guys?
Belle le sospensioni Citroen ma se nel 2022 di W124 se ne vedono ancora tante in giro e le altre auto del video oggi sono una rarità ci sarà un motivo.
1:16 song? original video? :0
i like the song
Citroen Hydropneumatic Versus Poor Germany Engineering [ Citröne CX BX ]
The German engineering is way better than that crapy citroen
@@enriquemalparidabermejo8332 not when an audi R8 cannot beat a 90s french fwd hatchback in handling and stability, or when a 90s french hatchback is more comfortable than a newer or same era S class, and I heard that BMW and Audi are still at the bottom of reliability charts
@@onelyone6976 my 2004 C5 is more comfortable than an 2020 Audi A3 which costs like 60k Bucks.
Please, don't be ridiculous. See what a car Mercedes w123 is and confess your great sin
@@enriquemalparidabermejo8332They're only better at making ads to reset the brains of people. That's all. Even Japanese understood it, and always went to the French, rather than the Germans.
Citröen needs to put their badge on the Lucid Air for 2024.
That brown car looks like such fun lol
Lol that 190 will outlive all of us
A few of these chasse system's would be ideal for rally and drifting
2:36 coffe break test:fail
This is not the only reason why I love Citroën and hate German Cars. :)
These were days before ESC
If the drivers could drive than the test would have gone differently
The hydropneumatic suspension is the best there is. Nothing can rival it! And today Citroen has gone down the drain and stopped producing it! And no one else does, either!
What's the song that starts at 1:14?
Dreamwaves-Vogel
Citroen Ds vas the best car in world .
If you get a free Mercedes or Citroen, wich one would you choose?
Citroen :)
Mercedes, then sell it And buy 2 better Cars - Citroëns :)
I respect your taste. I think IF you choose Mercedes first you would not be able to sit in a Citroen after.
It depends on which model I think.
You didn't tell the age if it's a new merc and a new citroen I obviously chose the merc
What is "Germany Engineering"? You should rather learn proper english before you put descriptions like that in the title.
German cars suck at stabilizing even though their tank is more stable than my relationship, in Germany drivers taught how to perform evasive maneuvers in the Autobahn. :)
how many of those Citroen still running and how many of those mercedes are running ?
engeneering is not only suspension.
citroen have the best confort, other than that ...
Mercedes Benz sells car in far greater volume than Citroen does. There are good reasons for this: build quality and reliability. I remember when Citroen launched the C6 back in 2005. I even said if I bought one I hand it to BMW or Benz and pay 'em to take it to bits and put it back together properly.
@@paulanderson79 Back then Peugeot bought Citroen, so its irrelevant to compare... XM was the last real Citroen.
@@ViktoreHD I think PSA bought Citroën in 1976. PSA never stifled Citroën's innovation and individually otherwise we'd never even have seen the XM.
Citroens last FOREVER no rust at all but poor Merc is in rusty heaven
I see many Xantias on the road in mint condition.
Vous n'imaginez pas ce que Citroen peut faire pour vous !
The gold Audi would do better if the rear axle had a stiffer anti-sway bar.
The title is CarShit. If this site is on top of car technology it would know that German car engineering has always been superior to anything else on this planet. Even with regards to car suspension. This however does not invalidate that the hydro-pneumatic suspension of Citroen was a marvel although too complex to economically maintain in mass production.
Bruh rwd vs fwd and mercedes will outlive us all
Poor german engineering, is the funniest phrase I’ve heard😂
Really?
Why?
VW group are the most overrated cars in the world by far.
Not poor but so overrated cause being German.
Regards mate.
Merc w124 isn't much worse than citroen, and you can't call this video poor german engierring because there is fiat and mercedes in those tests was good
Hahahaa.... French and Italian cars for the road
Terribly bad picture quality, despite 720p!
1:58 Still dre starts to play
When Citroen was great.
5 Link mercedes is enough for me. Why i need to buy french car with rarely service avaliable.
W124 "poor germany engineering" :DDDdd
Video should have 560sel with full hydro system.
I see mercedes did better also if oversteer itv took a sharper path, the citroen got very near the cones. I wont say "poor german engineering" these were european cars and still today we havent roads this large except autobahn and high speed roads where 130kph is the speed limit... This vid just shows failures including the citroen
oh so yes to late counter steering on the german cars while the citroen was counter steered very early. Just watch the video slower and compare.
fuck right off is the german engineering poor. Helps on the counter steering test that the citroen is FWD and the Mercedes is RWD, still didn't spin out. The w124 is a phenomenal machine that will never be beaten. and as for someone saying that the Mercedes had hydropneumatics suspension, you're wrong, saloons very rarely got Mercedes' SLS system, however it was standard on estate models.
But can it rise or lower just by operating a lever?
In reality the Merc 124 is an excellently engineered car except for rust, and for a steel sprung car it did well, but it has to bow down to the Citroen's far better suspension system and other French quirk. Lets not talk about the Audi embarrassment, they were badly made cars that only sold due to Made in Germany tag.
SLS has 0 to do with the hydropneumatics suspension. The one that had it was the top Mercedes - The Grosser 600
@@vs6300 well they used the audis for rallying so its fine i guess
@@clemenszink3823 And in rallying they were decimated by the 205T16 within the same season that they landed in Group B. Did you see how clumsy the Audi handled compared to the finely tuned 205T16?
"Poor german engineering" what world do you live in?
It's just the truth!
@@dumpit3583 Back then Citroen was the best! maybe Mercedes was same level.
@@dumpit3583 bruh, citroen sm is heavy af.
@@dumpit3583 they did the Same test with a Citroen CX wich weight about 1.4-1.5 tons, the Audi was between about 1.1 and 1.5 Tons, the Mercedes e124 between 1.3 and 1.6 Tons, and the CX still handled better.
@@dumpit3583 no, it shows that the German engineering shown here is poor.
Citroen uber alles!
Lolll
The BX didn´t look nice......
Mercedes was also good
If only they werent so ugly. business in the front, party in the back 😂
ahhh yes, compare a 1100kg car to a 1700kg car, and then be surprised by the results...
emmm citroen cx weight is 1520 kg while audi 100 weight is 1342 kg merc 300E weight 1700 kg and the fiat croma weight is 1.605 kg
Peugeot 406 was the latest of the best French cars till the 407 come out it was crap!
I noticed no BMW,s That would have thrown the cat among the pigeons
French engineering
Dommage que les citröen étaient horriblement moches.
The suspension was the only good thing about Citroen😂
Its not only that.
@@_stoupa2_397 The problem with French cars and especially Citroen is that they have solutions to non-existent problems! 🤯😵
@@saccoearth007 Example: Suspension was made, bcs french roads were very bad after WW2. Second example: Citroëns anti-roll system was made for best cornering, which was and is best.
security, my friend, security!
Citröng 😂🙈
Only suspension is better. Rest is shit quality. And the suspension is working only short time.
yeah thats why my daily car is BX.
@@keyser414 how many km?
@@markusdecimus4732 250.000 on the clock(obviously it was rolled back, has more.)
@@keyser414 but repaired 20 times. That s why they don t exist on the street.
@@markusdecimus4732 they dont exist on the street because lot of "clever" people/mechanic, if you know what are you doing you gonna have almost no problem with the suspension,but its easier to say they are shit.
We all know that we can not compare french cars with german cars , german quality and design and power is umbattable
Not necessarily, it depends what you are comparing. Also pretty much all new VW/Skoda cars are bang average and using cheap materials or crappy engines. Even their high-end models like the arteon lack comfort or style.
@@ТониАндреев in last couple years we see that Ds , Citroen do a great jobs , i'm agree with this, Peugeot Also does a good work
Combining many factors, French cars provide better materials but sell at a more affordable price, while German cars are sold to customers at a high price.
🇫🇷 French cars are no good. Sorry.