If you like what you see, visit www.amazon.com/shop/ishwithfish for ALL the gear I use, review, and approve. These affiliate links directly support future content. Gratitude! 🙏 -------- stuff i may have missed since i film late in one take: VR150 line lay is good, slightly bottom heavy. the handle is NOT interchangeable; reel shown is left hand only. if your reel starts spinning smoother and smoother, could actually indicate seals are failing. service is great; rebuilt/repaired reel turnover from manu is about 2 weeks. Van Staal is owned by Zebco, and the VR line is made in China (another reason cost is lower compared to VS line), although i believe service centers are US-based.
I’m teacher /just a really cool guy, told me he was swimming out to to some rocks in Montauk Long Island and a seal slammed in to his side trying to go for the live eels he had on him . Crazy story
I just got one over a shimano twin power. It was tough because I spend half the year in FL boat fishing, and surf fishing there, but not as much as the boat and the other half in MA fishing cape cod where it’s traditional surf fishing. Boulders, waves, all the elements. I needed a reel that could do both and handle the beatings. I think this is the best for that. I’ll take the extra weight and lack of smoothness to gain the durability and reliability. When I only lived in FL I used Shimano Stradics and Quantum Cabo’s but these days I love the Tsunami Salt X and this VR. They can do it all. Your review helped make my decision, great stuff.
Love the review. I looked everywhere online for a VR150 Gen 2 in silver with no luck. I finally ended up with a choice between a VR175 and VR200. Anything else in stock was under the VR150 size. I just ordered a VR200 Gen 2. Since the VR175 and VR200 share the exact same body and rotor, I went with the larger spool. The VR200 only weighs 1/2 ounce more than the VR175. I decided it was worth it for 10% more line capacity. A VR150 would have met my needs if they were available. I do think I'll get some good use out of the bigger reel. They supposedly lengthened the stem on the newer Gen 2 models so no knuckle busting. I'm not a surf fisherman. I bought it to toss lures at tuna from a boat. When it comes to tuna over 100#, it's hard to think of any spinning reel as being "too large". I realize any good quality saltwater spinning reel could hold up to boat fishing, but I it's nice to have a sealed reel of a tried and trusted brand. I thought about trying the Tsunami SaltX 6000 but it's not been out in the wild long enough for me to totally trust it. Add to that I can't find an online source for parts, and it became a deal breaker. I know if I ever need a part for the Van Staal, I can find it easily. I'll start with an aluminum knob. I think the Derin knob is fine, but I like the aluminum knob. The Tsunami would have been over $200 cheaper, but I was looking for a proven quality reel instead of saving a few dollars. Perhaps I'll revisit the Tsunami SaltX in a few years if they prove to last and parts can be found. I'm not suggesting Tsunami wouldn't fix my reel if something got broken. I prefer to order parts if and when I need them and repair the reels myself. I wouldn't want to be forced to send it to a service center for something I could replace myself.
Very informative video. But, as someone who spent years surf fishing from Montauk to Cape Cod, I can tell you that your definition of skishing in the video is incorrect. No surf fisherman who perches themself on a rock at Montauk would say they went skishing. Skishing is actually putting on a bouyant wetsuit with flippers, live-lining eels, and letting the currents and stripers take you where they want. Two very different thinks.
I dunked my vr 175 for like 15 seconds. it had water intrusion stay away from these thing. I suggest the the vs it will not let you down I personally own one or the vsb version.
I own the vr50 and handles like a dream. After the holidays I'll scoop me up a bigger vr. Already been proven from the surf to the pier for me. I own the gen 2 which has a larger main shaft and longer handle from the knuckles
It looks tough enough , but the best thing about van staal reel their less parts vs shimano/daiwa ones, thus less troubles overall i guess . Thinking of vr150 one ! have stella 6000sw n this one would be the right one to do a complete self service with ease.
That reel is tight but here in fl I don't think we need reels like that my friend has one and he likes it probably good tarpon reel for all the line it can hold but heard there drags aren't that great
Hello, greetings from Peru...Good report to the VR150.... do you know if there’s the option for left Handed?... I already have VS150, and they are really the best reel option for the surfcasting fishing that I do. Thanks for your advice.
saw this vid and went to go see them, picked it up reeled it put it back down and left. How can anyone say these reels are smooth and feel great?? My slammer 3's feel 10x better. Am i missing something? I love the look but if they are going to feel like a 1960's mitchel then thats what ill get you know?
the difference is the VS internal sealing. can be spun underwater unlike a slammer iii. by smooth i mean there's no sig gear meshing, but i think i mentioned there's some resistance/tightness due to the sealing.
Ish With Fish yes you did mention skishing, I guess if you have to have one? you have to have one! I live in Florida we dont dunk stuff here for the most part part. I would dunkna 500 $ reel im any way, but thats just me. Ive already put my slammer 3500 up against big tarpon and noncomplaints what so ever. I use to be a shimano guy. Npt anymore!!
ya this real is highly specific, and i don't plan on skishing either lol. a couple BGs and i'm good. that slammer iii is awesome! i'm reviewing it next.
Ish With Fish i wasnt realy sold on the looks of it, but man, let me tell you! when i pulked about a 100 pound poon away from a bridge with my 3500 on a old 1996 that i rebuilt I became a believer, spooled up with 20 lb power pro. I also have a 4500 with 20 lb braid im going to be swaping the 20 from the 4500 to the 3500 and putting 30 braid on my 4500. Only thing that needs to be done is roller bearing on both since last years model came with bushings.
probably very well. for comparison sake, i have 2 buddies that have the same setup: VR150 paired to an 11' mh G-Rod International. each say it's the best striper combo they've ever had. if your TFO rod has similar specs then i'd say go for it.
neither haha, you don't need a submersible reel i think. a better fit would be a big hi-speed Saragosa or Twin Power. Saltiga or Stella if you got the dough.
@@ishwithfish I dont need a waterproof reel since I only do boat fishing but at $375 what else will do the job just the same ? (exclude Saragosa cuz hate the look)Thanks, Gerry from San Diego, CA
ah, if you're primarily fishing from a boat, imo any vr is not the right application. the vr50 is geared kinda fast for surf presentations and may be undersized if you hook some big pelagic. you could buy 2 saltists for 375 and have 2 better boat reels.
@@ishwithfish Appreiciate your response and Thanks but was looking at VR200 actually for tuna under 100lbs. Really can appreciate the lightweight of the entire VR line and strong internals. The Saltist look nice but they have very weak Main gear made of pot metal or something similar. Thanks a million Ish !!!
np man. yeah i'm pretty sure even though saltist and bg were initially advertised initially as main, they're actually zinc. if you're targeting tuna and don't like the gosa, and slammer iii is too heavy (smallish brass main too), you might want to consider a twin power? nice slot between the gosa and stella.
My mind when i bought my vr150 was i dont want to spend money on anymore new reels, i want a reel that works and keeps going with care, ive gone through lots of reels even a penn spinfisher ssv. I dont look for price or fasion i look for procticallity and honestly there are probally reels that are cheaper that might be as good but ive gone through all companys reels even shimano infor ive had 5 stradics go to crap on my with all the albys and big stripers i hook up on and use everyday out off shore and on the beaches of marthasvinyard, i will say i almost got a saragosa but i want something that will keep going like the old penns i have but with something more modern and had parts support.
yup, i think the avg serious salt angler starts by following trends and friends and extracting the most from mid-priced gear and eventually comes around to higher end, fully-sealed, and parts-supported reels. all my surfcasting friends have done that. not that there's no place for all the other reels in the market, it's that the surf is the great equalizer for fancy-looking gear vs gear that can actually last. from what I've heard the VR line can do both:) btw, if anyone reading this is on a budget, wants a bombproof reel, just find a used Daiwa Black Gold (original BG) with low hours on it; it'll last forever.
@@saltystripesfishing2980 same here. I have the vr 200 &, as my other Stradics go they will be replaced by these or shade reels. I had three lures lost in about $40-50.00 gone in about 2 hours if casting on my Stradics. That's what made up my mind to switch.
Send that reel to me please....ISH I WAS PROUD OF ALL MY FISHING GEAR ..after seeing this NOT SO PROUD AFTER ALL..id give all my penn reels for that VAN STAAL😑
The VR's are just watered down versions of the VS's these VR's are sealed but not enough to spin underwater for decent amount of hours , IMO the only one worth buying is the VR50
Ish With Fish Since I'm hoping it will be cheaper than 499. It's a process thou, you'd have to disassemble the reel completely first. then de anodize it, removing the previous anodizing, clean the parts throughly and lastly anodize the parts it to the desired color
Read all you can; for me, this seems way, way too much money for what it is--but who knows? I do understand? they don't offer a service kit, it that is true, not happy about that. How much drag is offered? Made in China, for sure a turn off...for me and based on my opinion of what they don't do over there. One thing is clear: for most of us, it is important that for THAT money, it be very good, and I see two big knocks, right off the top. Maybe anything and everything IS made in China, if that is true, then OK, so be it. But not having a service kit? Can you get is serviced, CAN you sort a way to service it yourself? Is it sealed where you CAN'T get at it. Just consider what you are getting, vs other reals. My new Cabo is far less money, but offers 40 pounds drag, and taken apart, it is one of the few found CORRECTLY lubed in all parts--and is easily serviced, just to give one example.
Jmichael Isbell im purchasing the surf version of this reel soon but so far from i heard, these reels are indestructible. lasts about all other modern reels. i believe that if you have the money, and fish heavy circumstances then yes, knock yourself out.
These reels are corny... this ain't blade runner. I've caught 30lb fish on a $20 reel. West Coast surf fishing isn't a walk in the park, but I haven't seen people with scuba gear out there either. Take care people and stop swimming to the fishing spots.
+Gentleman Scholar Signs sup man, these are definitely purpose-built reels. i'm sure vs sells a ton to guys who just want the bling, but they have their place. $20 and $1000 will prob catch a lot of shared fish, the end value of each is ultimately defined by the buyer. btw that 'scishing' pic is one of the mtf dudes at a local spot ... too hardcore for me!
Ish With Fish you mention northeast surf fishing use several times which there is nothing unique about it. Wether your reel is being dunked in Key West, Montauk, San Diego, Seattle or Honolulu there are surf fisherman putting their reels through the ringer everywhere. There are several reels under 300 that claim to be waterproof. VR doesn’t have an IP rating which means no verifiable test to its actual waterproofing. Just the word of the company. I would stick to the specifications of the reel and not compare it’s “intended” use to regions or other products. Maybe narrow minded wasn’t the best way of putting it, but more of not being completely intellectually honest. Air Jordan’s and ASIC’s probably have the same use and durability but you’re paying for something which should be apart of an honest overview.
If you like what you see, visit www.amazon.com/shop/ishwithfish for ALL the gear I use, review, and approve. These affiliate links directly support future content. Gratitude! 🙏
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stuff i may have missed since i film late in one take: VR150 line lay is good, slightly bottom heavy. the handle is NOT interchangeable; reel shown is left hand only. if your reel starts spinning smoother and smoother, could actually indicate seals are failing. service is great; rebuilt/repaired reel turnover from manu is about 2 weeks. Van Staal is owned by Zebco, and the VR line is made in China (another reason cost is lower compared to VS line), although i believe service centers are US-based.
VS are also made in China, and ZB also manufactured in China for a time, but ZB recently moved back to US build.
It's so weird that Zebco owns VanStaal.
I’m teacher /just a really cool guy, told me he was swimming out to to some rocks in Montauk Long Island and a seal slammed in to his side trying to go for the live eels he had on him . Crazy story
I just got one over a shimano twin power. It was tough because I spend half the year in FL boat fishing, and surf fishing there, but not as much as the boat and the other half in MA fishing cape cod where it’s traditional surf fishing. Boulders, waves, all the elements. I needed a reel that could do both and handle the beatings. I think this is the best for that. I’ll take the extra weight and lack of smoothness to gain the durability and reliability. When I only lived in FL I used Shimano Stradics and Quantum Cabo’s but these days I love the Tsunami Salt X and this VR. They can do it all. Your review helped make my decision, great stuff.
awesome feedback, thx!
Love the review. I looked everywhere online for a VR150 Gen 2 in silver with no luck. I finally ended up with a choice between a VR175 and VR200. Anything else in stock was under the VR150 size. I just ordered a VR200 Gen 2. Since the VR175 and VR200 share the exact same body and rotor, I went with the larger spool. The VR200 only weighs 1/2 ounce more than the VR175. I decided it was worth it for 10% more line capacity.
A VR150 would have met my needs if they were available. I do think I'll get some good use out of the bigger reel. They supposedly lengthened the stem on the newer Gen 2 models so no knuckle busting. I'm not a surf fisherman. I bought it to toss lures at tuna from a boat. When it comes to tuna over 100#, it's hard to think of any spinning reel as being "too large". I realize any good quality saltwater spinning reel could hold up to boat fishing, but I it's nice to have a sealed reel of a tried and trusted brand. I thought about trying the Tsunami SaltX 6000 but it's not been out in the wild long enough for me to totally trust it. Add to that I can't find an online source for parts, and it became a deal breaker. I know if I ever need a part for the Van Staal, I can find it easily. I'll start with an aluminum knob. I think the Derin knob is fine, but I like the aluminum knob. The Tsunami would have been over $200 cheaper, but I was looking for a proven quality reel instead of saving a few dollars. Perhaps I'll revisit the Tsunami SaltX in a few years if they prove to last and parts can be found. I'm not suggesting Tsunami wouldn't fix my reel if something got broken. I prefer to order parts if and when I need them and repair the reels myself. I wouldn't want to be forced to send it to a service center for something I could replace myself.
Very informative video. But, as someone who spent years surf fishing from Montauk to Cape Cod, I can tell you that your definition of skishing in the video is incorrect. No surf fisherman who perches themself on a rock at Montauk would say they went skishing. Skishing is actually putting on a bouyant wetsuit with flippers, live-lining eels, and letting the currents and stripers take you where they want. Two very different thinks.
thx for the info👍
Yea Skishing isnt for everyone nothing but respect to those guys but thats not for me ill stay on the beach or the boat
I dunked my vr 175 for like 15 seconds. it had water intrusion stay away from these thing.
I suggest the the vs it will not let you down I personally own one or the vsb version.
I own the vr50 and handles like a dream. After the holidays I'll scoop me up a bigger vr. Already been proven from the surf to the pier for me. I own the gen 2 which has a larger main shaft and longer handle from the knuckles
You can also use a bigger size rotor and spool on the same body so you don't have to buy another reel
It looks tough enough , but the best thing about van staal reel their less parts vs shimano/daiwa ones, thus less troubles overall i guess . Thinking of vr150 one ! have stella 6000sw n this one would be the right one to do a complete self service with ease.
Mana nak cari REEL VAN STAAL dan berapa harganya
That reel is tight but here in fl I don't think we need reels like that my friend has one and he likes it probably good tarpon reel for all the line it can hold but heard there drags aren't that great
Hello, greetings from Peru...Good report to the VR150.... do you know if there’s the option for left Handed?... I already have VS150, and they are really the best reel option for the surfcasting fishing that I do. Thanks for your advice.
Some guys like their Geo Metros, yes you still get to the same place........ some guys like arriving in half the time and looking good. ( me ).
+NFiltr8Red haha, that's me. if its not catching fish, at least my gear looks legit just sitting there.
I love my zeebaas and Stella 😝
I sold the vr series reel I had, on Craigslist
There is not service kit for the vr series reels
I have one as vr 150. I love everything about it.
+vsonic86 i was def impressed with it, sad to hand it back to the tournament lol.
Was gonna buy it till he said it was for Northeastern surf. Whew! glad he mentioned that, I live on the Gulf Coast.
just saved you $529! unless you're swimming from rock to rock chasing fish, this reel is probably overkill.
Daiwa BG is king
Dari mana Nak Saya dapatkan REEL VAN STAAL 150 berapa harganya dalam RM
I'm left handed and reel with my right hand - can the retrieve be changed?
iirc, i *think* the VR series is left hand retrieve only, might want to confirm with J&H website.
Vr150 or the twin power?
the vr is sooo niche, so imo, unless you're swimming from rock to rock to cast, or maybe offshore kayaking, the twin power is the better value.
Hello what rod length would you pair it with?
this would be perfect on a 10' 1-3oz surf rod
saw this vid and went to go see them, picked it up reeled it put it back down and left. How can anyone say these reels are smooth and feel great?? My slammer 3's feel 10x better. Am i missing something? I love the look but if they are going to feel like a 1960's mitchel then thats what ill get you know?
the difference is the VS internal sealing. can be spun underwater unlike a slammer iii. by smooth i mean there's no sig gear meshing, but i think i mentioned there's some resistance/tightness due to the sealing.
Ish With Fish yes you did mention skishing, I guess if you have to have one? you have to have one!
I live in Florida we dont dunk stuff here for the most part part. I would dunkna 500 $ reel im any way, but thats just me. Ive already put my slammer 3500 up against big tarpon and noncomplaints what so ever. I use to be a shimano guy. Npt anymore!!
ya this real is highly specific, and i don't plan on skishing either lol. a couple BGs and i'm good. that slammer iii is awesome! i'm reviewing it next.
Ish With Fish i wasnt realy sold on the looks of it, but man, let me tell you! when i pulked about a 100 pound poon away from a bridge with my 3500 on a old 1996 that i rebuilt I became a believer, spooled up with 20 lb power pro. I also have a 4500 with 20 lb braid im going to be swaping the 20 from the 4500 to the 3500 and putting 30 braid on my 4500. Only thing that needs to be done is roller bearing on both since last years model came with bushings.
How would the VR150 pair up with the TFOgis10.6?
probably very well. for comparison sake, i have 2 buddies that have the same setup: VR150 paired to an 11' mh G-Rod International. each say it's the best striper combo they've ever had. if your TFO rod has similar specs then i'd say go for it.
Between the Van Staal vm275 vs Van Staal vr200 would be better for casting poppers for gt?
neither haha, you don't need a submersible reel i think. a better fit would be a big hi-speed Saragosa or Twin Power. Saltiga or Stella if you got the dough.
If I can buy one of these for $375 would you recommend it ? Is it smooth and easy to turn ?
hmm i guess depends if you truly need a waterproof reel. if you're always underwater/splashed and burn through gear then yes its worth the investment.
@@ishwithfish I dont need a waterproof reel since I only do boat fishing but at $375 what else will do the job just the same ? (exclude Saragosa cuz hate the look)Thanks, Gerry from San Diego, CA
ah, if you're primarily fishing from a boat, imo any vr is not the right application. the vr50 is geared kinda fast for surf presentations and may be undersized if you hook some big pelagic. you could buy 2 saltists for 375 and have 2 better boat reels.
@@ishwithfish Appreiciate your response and Thanks but was looking at VR200 actually for tuna under 100lbs. Really can appreciate the lightweight of the entire VR line and strong internals. The Saltist look nice but they have very weak Main gear made of pot metal or something similar.
Thanks a million Ish !!!
np man. yeah i'm pretty sure even though saltist and bg were initially advertised initially as main, they're actually zinc. if you're targeting tuna and don't like the gosa, and slammer iii is too heavy (smallish brass main too), you might want to consider a twin power? nice slot between the gosa and stella.
Thanks ish. Now my gear looks like garbage. 😐
Pete L lol mine too
My mind when i bought my vr150 was i dont want to spend money on anymore new reels, i want a reel that works and keeps going with care, ive gone through lots of reels even a penn spinfisher ssv. I dont look for price or fasion i look for procticallity and honestly there are probally reels that are cheaper that might be as good but ive gone through all companys reels even shimano infor ive had 5 stradics go to crap on my with all the albys and big stripers i hook up on and use everyday out off shore and on the beaches of marthasvinyard, i will say i almost got a saragosa but i want something that will keep going like the old penns i have but with something more modern and had parts support.
yup, i think the avg serious salt angler starts by following trends and friends and extracting the most from mid-priced gear and eventually comes around to higher end, fully-sealed, and parts-supported reels. all my surfcasting friends have done that. not that there's no place for all the other reels in the market, it's that the surf is the great equalizer for fancy-looking gear vs gear that can actually last. from what I've heard the VR line can do both:) btw, if anyone reading this is on a budget, wants a bombproof reel, just find a used Daiwa Black Gold (original BG) with low hours on it; it'll last forever.
@@saltystripesfishing2980 same here. I have the vr 200 &, as my other Stradics go they will be replaced by these or shade reels. I had three lures lost in about $40-50.00 gone in about 2 hours if casting on my Stradics. That's what made up my mind to switch.
Send that reel to me please....ISH I WAS PROUD OF ALL MY FISHING GEAR ..after seeing this NOT SO PROUD AFTER ALL..id give all my penn reels for that VAN STAAL😑
The VR's are just watered down versions of the VS's these VR's are sealed but not enough to spin underwater for decent amount of hours , IMO the only one worth buying is the VR50
Is that the reel thats gonna be givin to the winner at the MTF TOURNAMENT?
Eric Villasenor yup, first place takes it home!
I'm thinking of getting the VR50 when it debuts so I can custom anodize it
Team EVO Surf Casters that'd be dope!
Ish With Fish
Since I'm hoping it will be cheaper than 499. It's a process thou, you'd have to disassemble the reel completely first. then de anodize it, removing the previous anodizing, clean the parts throughly and lastly anodize the parts it to the desired color
Or you could get 5 Shimano Baitrunner 6500's :)
+Sagan Worshipper haha true. for the price of the next reel i review, you can by 10😁 stay tuned.
I shouldn't talk, as I own a 10 foot Loomis with a 8000 Stella lol.
Sagan Worshipper lol knew it!
Have you checked out the new Shimano Socorro? Great reel for around $100.
So your more than a weekend warrior ISH?
+Eric Villasenor lmao i wish! just enough time to fish maybe once a week these days
i think i gotta have one lol, gotta start saving
I just picked one ☝️ up today at local Bait&Tackle shop. I’m in love 😍!!! Thanks for the video!
What's the best way to contact you? By email or instagram dm? I will not spam.
+Hunter Cheng sup, email or ig dm, either way is cool, info in the vid description.
It is a wet dream so beautiful looks so good.
😲 too expensive for me
+DeezRMyDays me too lol. although i have an upcoming review that features an $1100 spinner😁
Unless you are a TRUE surf fisherman getting slammed by sand and surf, this reel is a waste of money!!!
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Unless you are a TRUE Surf Fisherman getting slammed by surf and sand, this reel is a waste of money. This reel will not make you a better fisherman.
VS needs to pay your ass!
Handle makes it ackward.
kinda; it's a big handle/knob for bringing in big fish in surf. tough to do with a short handle and paddle knob.
Read all you can; for me, this seems way, way too much money for what it is--but who knows? I do understand? they don't offer a service kit, it that is true, not happy about that. How much drag is offered? Made in China, for sure a turn off...for me and based on my opinion of what they don't do over there. One thing is clear: for most of us, it is important that for THAT money, it be very good, and I see two big knocks, right off the top. Maybe anything and everything IS made in China, if that is true, then OK, so be it. But not having a service kit? Can you get is serviced, CAN you sort a way to service it yourself? Is it sealed where you CAN'T get at it. Just consider what you are getting, vs other reals. My new Cabo is far less money, but offers 40 pounds drag, and taken apart, it is one of the few found CORRECTLY lubed in all parts--and is easily serviced, just to give one example.
Jmichael Isbell im purchasing the surf version of this reel soon but so far from i heard, these reels are indestructible. lasts about all other modern reels. i believe that if you have the money, and fish heavy circumstances then yes, knock yourself out.
no such thing as a "last" reel
These reels are corny... this ain't blade runner. I've caught 30lb fish on a $20 reel. West Coast surf fishing isn't a walk in the park, but I haven't seen people with scuba gear out there either. Take care people and stop swimming to the fishing spots.
+Gentleman Scholar Signs sup man, these are definitely purpose-built reels. i'm sure vs sells a ton to guys who just want the bling, but they have their place. $20 and $1000 will prob catch a lot of shared fish, the end value of each is ultimately defined by the buyer. btw that 'scishing' pic is one of the mtf dudes at a local spot ... too hardcore for me!
Ish With Fish wicked haaaarrdcore! Van staal reels are the pollar opposite of the croc wearing, Hawaiian shirt, bait n wait fisherman of SoCal.
MADE IN CHINA............................................................................
Very narrow minded review
how so? title suggests it's an overview, aka show and tell, not a use-case review. please essplain yourself👍
Ish With Fish you mention northeast surf fishing use several times which there is nothing unique about it. Wether your reel is being dunked in Key West, Montauk, San Diego, Seattle or Honolulu there are surf fisherman putting their reels through the ringer everywhere. There are several reels under 300 that claim to be waterproof. VR doesn’t have an IP rating which means no verifiable test to its actual waterproofing. Just the word of the company. I would stick to the specifications of the reel and not compare it’s “intended” use to regions or other products. Maybe narrow minded wasn’t the best way of putting it, but more of not being completely intellectually honest. Air Jordan’s and ASIC’s probably have the same use and durability but you’re paying for something which should be apart of an honest overview.