The Falklands Conflict 1982 - was Britain really fighting all alone?
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The Falklands Conflict story is one of a brave nation fighting aggression all alone, but was Britain really totally alone?
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"The Falklands Conflict 1982 - was Britain really fighting all alone?" No I am pretty sure Argentina was involved too.
The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.
@@CommonSenserules1981 They did far too little considering it was their fault in the first place. "
Before the invasion, when Argentina’s leadership asked Reagan’s roving ambassador, Vernon Walters, what would happen if Argentina took the Falklands, he told them the British would “huff, puff and protest, and do nothing.”"
@@valleyshrew Really? Where you get that info
@@CommonSenserules1981 Why not google it if you want to know? I put it in quotes for a reason. www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/opinion/with-friends-like-these.html From before the NYT turned into Salon, it had some decent journalism.
@@valleyshrew I did believe you, seemed realistic but had to provoke you as its still very unknown.
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I mean, where's the lie?
I don't care that there are more tangents in his videos than there are in an advanced geometry class.
Meh, real life is tangential as hell.
Love him or hate him hes spitting straight facts
The irony of lindeybeige liking short stories
Very good
;)
51:22 where is this footage?
British nattering has been an offensive weapon for centuries.
He likes them because it gives him the opportunity to digress and make them longer.
Yo dawg, we heard you like short stories so we put a short story inside your short story so you can learn while you learn.
The fact that no one has ever hijacked a plane with a pair of nail scissors is a demonstration of the effectiveness of confiscating them at airport security.
Very good!
Yes, excellently reasoned.
Now if you will excuse me, I must go out to my yard, and crack open another bottle of Elephant Repellent.
[Great stuff! To date, 100% effective!]
@@donweatherwax9318 I was recently attacked by elephants bc I had no such repellent.....
Lesson learned I suppose
You mean nail clippers #alabama
TIL British people call nail clippers nail scissors
“What did the United Nations do about this? Nothing”
History of the UN summarized
Nations United in their decision to do nothing useful.......business as usual.
@@Full-stack33 What would you expect it to do? Especially as the members of the Security Council ensure it stays compliant?
BigHenFor you’re trying to tell me the security council maintained its compliance in acting against the interests of the security council, nice
South America didn't help Argentina either. only Peru provided some equipment to Argentina and they did it because they wanted a war against Chile next.
Why on earth should the UN defend the dying and discredited concept of colonialism?
Britain: "Hey Chile, we need your help to fight a war"
Chile: "I don't know, it doesn't sound like it's any of my business"
Britain: "It's against Argentina"
Chile: "Say no more, fam"
Yes it was, we were about to be invaded by them lol
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
That was the motto at the time
Still remember ..
Things had changed since and relationships improved enormously.
Greetings from 🇨🇱
"We also have jet planes"
"Ok you got me"
@@germansalamanca4579 The enemy of my enemy is my friend
That was the motto at the time
That is the motto today still my friend. Geopolitics is like a mexican standoff where everyone keeps switching who they're aiming at depending on the barrels pointed at them.
@@germansalamanca4579 good comment 👍🏼, greetings from England 🏴
Every time Lindy goes off on a tangent, I hear John Cleese:
"And now for something completely different."
Lmao,cheers mate!
It's about the same. I go from giggling to occasionally bursting into laughter, saying to myself "here we go" everytime!
Sometimes the tangents are the most fascinating thing
Stop that! It's silly!
Get on with it!!!
This Guy is a classic British eccentric but could Listen to him all day. A Great Story Teller
Definitely, I really enjoy his way of telling a story.
I am curious about his point on Brexit.
reminds me of john cleese.
I wouldnt call him eccentric compared to others i know who i would call that , but i still find it interesting you think that just by his way of description, we use humour on so many levels here and this is an example of one , kind of old school British stiff upper lip with a slight tongue in the cheek , or as we also say 'taking the piss' a little 🤣
@@begbeee he made a video about the EU before. Pretty sure his stance would be leave.
I can remember Radio Moscow announcing that Britain had launched a nuclear attack on Argentina when the shooting started. Radio Moscow was a constant source of entertainment.
Before they changed their name to CNN.
@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 LOL
Not as far fetched as it sounds I know a guy who was military intelligence in the airforce and he confirmed that Thatcher had gone to defcon 1 ready to nuke Paris if they didn't give us the codes to us to disarm the French exsorset missiles. She was a women and couldn't be argued with so they handed em over. That's why the argues fired them but didn't detonate, this all happened after the Sheffield was bombed n it was realised that we'd loose the conflict if this didn't happen.
@@kmotch 100% pure BS.
@@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 constructive... I did prefix the account with it does sound far fetched.
The UN didn't just finger wag Argentina, they used their most powerful ability and wrote a strongly worded letter.
Christopher Woodbury sent first or second class?
LOL yes. The UN-our tax money sent to an international debating team with no backbone and no purpose.
Sadly the Strongly worded letter was vetoed for being a bit too strongly worded. After much work and deliberating, it was finally completed, approved and delivered in may 1998.
@@Incarn Haha so humorous in a very sad, truthful way. It's really the world's largest organized crime syndicate. I do not like how it's 'representatives' aren't elected at all but appointed by their country's governments. The EU is the same way and people cannot be properly represented by appointed bureaucrats but that's the idea. It's paving the way for a one-world government to which Britain and the US are the last obstacles, but rapidly getting gutted from the inside by their own treacherous politicians.
As a Ukrainian, I can confirm that militaristic invaders with sick visions of grand conquests are positively terrified of UN's condemnation. We really grateful for every "deep concern" UN expressed si far and I am sure that any day now the security council will roll out its heavy artillery and express "VERY deep concern". Heh... UN would've been funny, if it wouldnt be so pathetically impotent in just about anything it supposed to do. What a farking joke......
Spot this guy down the pub it would be the best value pint you ever bought someone.
Yeah but you'd never be able to shut the dickhead up and you'd be bored to death within 2 nano seconds !!!!
I described him as the professor in the scotch parlor after dinner. You know the one, the guy, had 2 jiggers of brandy and the manic discussions begin. The guy who earns his free drinks lol.
@@robbiemify ok
You know the history of beer is quite interesting its starts with...and that's how blimps are made!
@@sumvs5992 aaaannnddd beer grains predates bread and vertical grains in written and archeology records by 2500 years easy lol, so basically stay drunk for 3k years and you make writing, law, governments, city planning and sliced bread lol. It helps the water in the city doesn't kill you when it's made into beer lol. Beer and its byproducts were so important to people that the shops captain logs on the Mayflower said they were short on all food stocks but especially beer so they have to stop at the large rock about 900mi not of where they wanted to be. Further, puritans, so tight nose they didn't have babies and died out, had a beer with a lighter alcahol content for their children explicitly. And bison was charged a fine because the city's main church was to far from the pub, by law, by a few feet which lead the city to pay and built a porch on the pub to avoid another fine. The pub and beer is incredibly important to America and humans as a species. It predated history and made it safe to drink water as well as alowing high levels of dietary access to molds like tetracycline, discovers as an antibiotic in 1946 but found in almost every mummy xrayed 3000yo or less due to bet consumption. Add well as many micro ams macro nutrients that wouldn't otherwise be available in their normal diet. Health, long life, medication, nutrition and major food stuff that predated missy of or civilizational milestones. Beer was a trade good and a payment method in many trades even into the early 20th century where your local black Smith would buy a drink after he got paid for his services. Ah beer, making babies, fat ladies, and saving marriages for over 5 thousand years.
as a new Zealander we are very proud of our military sheep.
I want to like your comment but I also want it to be stuck at 69
Anyway Argentina was right to invade as it was French territory given to the Spanish it was never British so Former Spanish colony Argentina was right to claim the island back
the best support you can get - green brown camouflaged sheeps
Youre talking about the top secret Black Sheep program? ie. the program documented in tjat Peter Jackson documentary (trailer here on RUclips)?
Sudden mental image of a new Zealander standing on a widows walk, weeping, looking at the horizon for their sheep to come home.
Dont ever apologize for your going on a tangent from a tangent, my mind feels right at home listening to these.
The UN DID take affirmative action against Argentina,they told them not to do it again,very sternly.
and then the entire UN (exepct G.B. and USA) rule that UK should have diplomatic talks about that subject...of course UK never did it.
@@nicolasgarcia8608 judging by your comments, you seen to be an Argentinian. In which case, either learn what actually happened or piss off.
@@an_f-14_tomcat judging by your comments, you seen NOT to be an Argentinian. In which case, either learn what actually happened or piss off
@@nicolasgarcia8608 heh. I've seen some of the stuff Argentina is saying happened in the Falklands (not islas malvinas), it's wrong. Seriously. I would direct you to a video with what actually happened but we're in the comment section of one so clearly you just won't believe anyone. In which case, piss off. There's no reason for you to be in this comment section if you're just gonna not listen to anyone.
They were known throughout the world as very naughty boys.
interogator, talk brit, tell us what you know
lindybeige - 872,644,302 tangents later
interogator, i regret everything
51:22 where is this footage?
British nattering has long been known as a highly offensive weapon; this shews its defensive capabilities, as well.
hehehe, the interogator should have subscribed to a different channel then ;)
@@Therworldtube not many had video recorders in those days so unlikely it was recorded and survived.
Interrogator: 'Ve Hav Vays uv Making you Tok!'
872,644,302 tangents later
Interrogator: 'Ve Hav Vays uv Making you Shtop Toking! I zink.'
As an Argentine, I really liked this video. I was born about 10 years after this happened but my mom and dad were both terrified of the junta and had friends 'disappeared' by the military on suspicions of communism. It's really nice to see a nuanced view from the other side.
One of my favorite Argentine documentaries is about the conscripted young boys who had to leave the high desert in the north west, were rained for weeks and then shipped to the Falklands. Horrifying stuff.
The saddest part is both nations have lost more soldiers of the conflict to suicide afterwards than to fighting the war.
Great to see your thoughts on this. Even now mny in Argentina still support the Junta and their actions, no matter what they did or how many suffered.
Shouldn't have been dirty commies...
si tus padres eran comunistas tan santitos no eran
An hour long lindybeige video, is it Christmas already?
Christmas in July. Finally.
Yes
It's around 45 minutes too long
@@richardduplessis1090 Lol. What are you talking about? His videos cant be to long!
Oh no! Socks again.
The biggest conundrum is why the Kiwis offered support in a South African accent?
I recently heard a Kiwi say 'bid', 'bed', and 'bead' indistinguishably.
Lindybeige wow 😮
South Africans don't use the "ee" sound in "ship"? The accents of Anglo South Africans and New Zealanders are similar, though :P
New Zealanders kinda sound like Joburg Jollers!. :p
Gloops01 nahh South African would be iccent, in kiwi its accint.
"he was only chosen because he was well connected" the *reason* he was well-connected is that on previous occasions he had been competent and trustworthy.
"a lot of argentinians have german surnames"
well well well
Argentina at one time had its own Nazi movement, and was second only to that of Germany.
You meant "vell vell vell"
He referred to Chileans with German and English names.
@William Dryden Windsor?
@@d.jparer5184 The royal family’s real surname is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. George V changed it during the First World War.
I would love to hear Lloyd to speak about the actual fighting on the Falklands, such as Goose Green and the Landings at San Carlos
Jag háller med dig!!
Be honest. You just want to hear the Lindybeige version of the Top Malo outhouse story.
@@harbl99 Yes I do! Dont tell anyone tho!
@Warbel jag skrev från ett Internet café i Sydamerika så att man måste improvisera lite
Unfortunately either he doesn’t know, or can’t speak to it
Moral of the story: Befriend a military dictatorship
Amen
@Josh Asia?
Never go to war against Israel
and support Apartheid. Worked ok for Thatcher.
UK already had a strong relationship with Chile though esp the south of Chile
Pope Paul VI: **Dies before being able to yell at Argentina**
Pope Jean Paul: **Dies immediately before being to yell at Argentina**
God: *_Fine, I'll do it myself_*
God starts the search for the infinity Stones
And the pope NOW. where is he from?
@@elloco121212 Pancho I papa, es argentino
Now the Pope can yell to himself. Convenient!
@@facundocadaa9020 I know, So to all of the ones that supported POPE Jhon Paul 2 when he said the Ilands were British, WOULD the BRITISH support The Present POPE if He says they are ARGENTINIAN? because he thinks they are...
I think it was pretty much an open secret in the early 80s that the Chileans were telling us every time the Argentine planes left, which is why a handful of Harriers with fancy American missiles were so effective. And of course that abandoned SAS raid had a plan to march out to Chile. So everyone knew.
actually thats right, from memory it took about three weeks for all of us to know
Anyway Argentina was right to invade as it was French territory given to the Spanish it was never British so Former Spanish colony Argentina was right to claim the island back
@@AixlaachenPax1801 Nonsense.
@@craigross341 Read Malouines/Malvinas history you'll learn it for yourself
@@AixlaachenPax1801 😂
Our greatest friends in Portugal gave us help as always... Invoking the Treaty of Windsor over 600 years old we were allowed use of the air base in the Azores.
Not just that but the Royal Navy doesn't use nuclear engines in many ships like the US does as it would prevent them porting at many Commonwealth ports (for example New Zealand bans any nuclear powered vessels from it's waters), so many ships would have been unable to even reach the Falkland Islands in the first place without refuelling capability in the Azores.
@@thomascrabtree: Nuclear powered ships need to be refueled much less often. They could have made the round trip without refueling at all.
@@thomascrabtree Nah i mean it would have been harder but Britain had a fleet of refueling ship which would have done just fine, also all destroyers and carriers of the time were fully capable of sailing to Falklands on one "tank" of fuel although they will need fuel for the trip back.
@@randomdude4136The thing that often gets forgotten is that the US had three of their biggest oilers and av-tur (jet fuel) transports down there topping up our tanks on the quiet. It was all extremely peculiar. The French "refused" to get involved and sold them more Exocet's and "forgot" to give them the arming codes and took their technicians elsewhere. The US supplied us tens of thousands of tons of fuel, and other things. It was all a bit peculiar.
@@gordonlawrence4749 France is like that
I am chilean, I was alive by that time also (11 years old). Chilean involvement was supposed to be secret but we knew and Argentinians knew, but to avoid a direct conflict nobody said anything. Much interesting video, finally we got the details! My best regards.
From what I've heard it simply made too much for the two nations to work together. It's not that the secret wasn't well guarded, but it was already bluntly stated that after the Falklands South Chile would be next. And it was obvious Britain could do with any support for it's airforce. Was that the general impression of the public?
se dice Argentinians? hm mira vos, uno aprende algo nuevo cada dia. Pero no sería sin la A mayúscula? porque digo, es un gentilicio.
@@maty3950 Lo siento, estoy viendo mucho star trek :D XD
@@Cocytus1302till1321 I remember that the crisis with Argentina was before the Falklands, but it was logical that they was going to try again based on the results against the british, and yes, it was not a well guarded secret indeed.
En inglés los gentilicios van con mayúscula
As a Kiwi, I was thoroughly amused by your attempted accent. Haha
I thought it was South African.
“I’m wurried about Brit. He may be did.”
- Murray Hewitt
Oh, those colonial accents all sound the same.
Whitepromethium
Lindybeige aims to please!
@@grizzlygrizzle Why you! We don't all sound the same, definately sound different from those aussies and south africans. /s
I’m sure our man Lindybeige writes scripts for all his episodes but the fact that he constantly has to look up and struggle to remember things demonstrates that he doesn’t actually have his scripts in front of him when he’s recording. He talks for so long and so passionately about his subjects. Great stuff.
Your telling me the UN did nothing? That doesn't sound like UN to me.
Lol
Sometimes doing nothing is good. Cease fire was passed, problem came down to Argentina wanting to stay on the Island well the negotiations drag on for 60 years.
The UN only does something when they country doing something 'wrong' is not white. Look at all the actions in Africa.
Oh and they also turn a blind eye when oil is involved, e.g. Saudi Arabia.
The UN is truly worthless.
Can confirm, I do nothing, always.
I believe Portugal assisted the UK under the terms of the oldest alliance treaty in effect.
Legends.
Drake Savory long live Portugal
Late but they did indeed
Ye glorious lads~
Technically, the NATO alliance obliges members to protect each other only for attacks in the Northern Hemisphere. The USA didn't want to be involved in the colonial empires of France and the UK, so the NATO charter explicitly excludes anything South of the tropics.
Casper Wienburger backed Britain 100 %. State Dept. tried to remain neutral. Regan was just disgusted.
It's even more restrictive -- only Europe, North America, and islands in the Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer. It wouldn't even apply to an attack on Hawaii.
Didn’t know that.
@@googel0909 Oh look you put parentheses around the Jewish person's name. Nazi asshat.
You got a point there Jean Baptiste.
Who would want to aid the UK or any Country into enforcing colonial Empires around the globe.
I like how LB makes it sound like NZ was offering "military sheep."
Never underestimate tactical sheep
@@danielclark-hughes692 Battle Sheeps. 🐏 🙄
You'd say 'shups' if you were trying to caricature an NZ accent. "Sheeps" sounds more Australian.
I’m pretty sure the Brits turned down the “tactical sheeps, after all no Welsh Regiments were involved.
They were used as bettering rams.
Correction: Pope John Paul was succeeded by Pope George Ringo.
He was the only Pope to meet Prime Minister Richard Starkey.
Not a lot of people know that.
That's very droll.
Not many know that Pope George Ringo was canonized as the patron saint of getting help from your friends.
@@hally13uk That could have been anybody.
When NATO was formed many counties didn't want to be dragged into potential colonial conflicts in far-flung corners of the world, so they limited the NATO area of interest to the North Atlantic region. The first time NATO acted outside this region is in Afghanistan.
great so nato is even MORE useless
@@tobediv NATO was an Anti-Soviet coalition. Thankfully never was used in conflict but used throughout the Cold War.
Yep, if the Brits want to beat up smaller nations to keep their ill-gotten gains then can do it them selves why should everyone else get dragged into it just so the Brits can be lazy.
And even then it was because of an attack within the North Atlantic area. If Argentina had tried to blow up British aircraft carriers in their home ports I think it would have been a different issue.
J B
What do MEANS by that statement, beat up smaller countries?
Did Argentina not invade a county of people's far smaller?
Did Britain give the argies plenty of time to fuck off or die?
What's your fuckin problem sunshine?
An hour of Lindybeige! This is the long form content i subscribed for
PS: New Zealand doesnt have ships, they have shups
I was once talking to a Kiwi who said 'bid linnin' several times before I realised she meant 'bed linen'.
They got loads of ships, shear 'em every spring.
@@lindybeige
Thats funny. I spoke to someone who was English and spoke English and he said " I don't know naffink innit, you know wo'i'mean"
Turns out he meant " I don't know anything (isn't it???), do you now what I mean?"
You guys invented the language , Its about time some of you learned how to speak it.
Yebbut thass just, like, an isolated example innit m8.In point of fact, I cannot agree with your sentiment since some of us can make a reasonable attempt at English. That's some, not all, sadly.Was his hat on the wrong way round and had he stolen the trousers of a differently sized man? I find these are bad indicators.
some parts of New Zealand say “ships bro”
“The underground fuel tanks were empty when the Task Force turned up in mid-April 1982,” recalls Major General Julian Thompson, then commanding the main Royal Marines assault force. The leading assault ship, HMS Fearless, did not have enough fuel to dock when it arrived off Ascension. The Americans diverted a supertanker to fill up the Navy’s tanks.
And more AVTUR than the US thought it was possible for us to burn, at the rate of a tankerful per week, each one standing off as a floating fuel station while the RAF worked on emptying them. And the British accented technicians who descended on Vulcans in US museums wearing civvies to strip them for spares could not possibly have been members of the RAF. And of course, we certainly could never have had real-time view of all their satellite imagery. At least, not in a way that was not plausibly deniable.
Even the Russians got in on the act - long before any of ours got there, the Argentine Navy was on high alert for subs, much to the surprise of the Royal Navy. Later a Russian attache in London said smilingly to one of our chaps at an embassy function "I do hope our submarines have been useful".
Thus violating the Interamerican Treaty of Mutual Assistance also known as Treaty of Rio as it was signed in Río de Janeiro in 1947.
Though the speaker said America did nothing, we didn't invoke Monroe doctrine
@@gerardosalazar527 well then the junta should have asked the us for help in… their invasion of someone’s foreign territory?
Where in the treaty does it say the us should help someone invade the falklands because of a defensive treaty?
You should try growling a brain
The US also supplied upgraded sidewinder missiles. On the other hand, the US tried hard to sabotage attempts by the UK to respond to the invasion and persuade parliament to ignore it and sacrifice the islanders, so a mixed bag really.
RIP to all the welsh guards that were killed on the Sir Galahad 🏴
WENT ABOARD THIS SIR BOAT FOR SUNDAY LUNCH 1980-STEP FATHER-1st ELEC RFA went to Falklands in 1982
his pay check from MOD NAVY FOR MAY/JUNE has him listed on compliment for Sir Galahad but was on RFA Regent during the conflict!!!Very lucky escape for him-god bless Welsh Guards TOMMY27
yes that was very sad.
tim oakes Happy to hear your step-father made it out alive he was lucky man
@Mayoforsam well the IRA were quite happy to take American money
@James Konzek Respect back to you, from a British Army Veteran,
Thank you for acknowledging our contribution and offer of help. It means a lot. Thank you. A kiwi.
In those days New Zealand had a decent navy, but its navy today is a joke. Singapore, which has about the same population, has a navy 12 times as strong as New Zealand's! So your country is not in any position to make a useful contribution to the South China Sea confrontation, while the Australian navy is almost as strong as ever and getting stronger. You should tell your government to pull its finger out and try to compete with Singapore.
@@bernardedwards8461 we had a better navy back in 1982... what planet are you from... We had four clapped out, under armed old leanders with old tech from the 1960's... and I do know this as I served on them.
The current ANZAC's are in Canada getting full upgrades
nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/251-what-upgrades-are-our-frigates-getting
HMNZS Te Kaha is due back this year and Te Mana next year.
Have new tanker with twice (if not 3 times) the capability of the old,
nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/2973-royal-new-zealand-navy-s-newest-vessel-hmnzs-aotearoa-arrives-in-auckland
And we now have the ability to transport troops and equipment, never had that before which in the next 10 years will be enhanced again with a second Enhanced Sealift Vessel with more than a 1 billion dollars being spent on the vessel.
nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defence/89-options-for-the-nzdf-and-rnzn-2nd-enhanced-sealift-vessel
HMNZS Manawanui III as way more capable than her predecessor and is Littoral operations vessel Hydrographic and diving supportThe OPV's do their job and a third one is coming dedicated to patrol the Southern Ocean. Which was what the frigates use to do and now just done by the OPV's. Allowing the frigates to do other tasking.
Singapore is in a totally different situation can't really compare.
@@NighthawkNZ I'm not talking about ANZACs, I'm talking about New Zealand. Australia has a decent navy which is being rapidly reinforced. The current NZ navy is pathetic, so pathetic that it could not possibly have been worse in 1982. There was a time when NZ had a good navy and more than pulled her weight on the international scene, but that time is long since past. Yes you're right, Singapore is in different circumstances, it is about 3,000 miles closer to China and surrounded by potentially hostile Muslim states, but that's no excuse for NZ not pulling its weight. Singapore has a closely similar population, but its navy is not twice as strong as NZs, nor ten times as strong, it's actually 12 times as strong!. I'm glad to hear that NZ will soon upgrade its navy, because the present situation is disgraceful. Before the advent of the new carriers, the Royal Navy was also in a sorry state, and even now is nothing like as good as it should be (UK population = 13 X NZ population). The new carriers are nothing like as good as they should be, but what can you expect? They were designed by a group of empty headed politicians who were quite happy to spoil the ships for a ha'porth of tar. We even have to borrow most of our aircraft from the Americans! Fortunately Australia can provide a few escort vessels.
@@bernardedwards8461 "Not talking about the ANZAC's" but they are part of the New Zealand Navy... so ... which is what you were talking about...???? You do know they are ANZAC class frigates right???
@@NighthawkNZ No. New Zealand forces are part of ANZAC, not the other way around. As always, the greater part of ANZAC forces are Australian, which is what might be expected seeing that Australia is a much larger country (Australia = 6 x population of NZ).
NATO had legal grounds to not get involved in the war. Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that a country must be attacked IN Europe or North America. Article 6 makes an explicit exception in European or North American islands north of the Tropic of Cancer. The Falklands were not encompassed by any requirements of the Treaty.
And tbf, i don't think the Bits would jump to help the French in defending Réunion or other god forgotten island in the Indian Ocean.
Well, not the French, obviously, but if the Spaniards had a dictator who decided to invade Svalbard, we'd be there (weather permitting)!
@Daniel Why should we? We helped the French during both world wars..
@@Richard-r7u6c i think the Bits were motivated more by hate towards the Germans than friendship with the French. And c'mon, who doesn't like to kick some German ass from time to time.
@@danielbat9887did you take an extra sip of ressentiments this morning?
@@danielbat9887 Family feud perchance, ref Royal houses of Europe (including Russia).
I was in the Australian Army during the Falklands War. I can assure you that the Australian Military were placed on much higher alert level with some units given notice to move orders.
Glad you didn’t go. Given the kit issued in 1982 you would have frozen to death.
wouldn't have been fair on the poor conscripts to deploy Australians
Would "some units" be the SASR
huh?@@ianhogben3472
If I remember correctly, The USA covered the UK's NATO obligations in Europe for missiles and ammunition freeing up UK equipment to be used in the Falklands not unlike what New Zealand did with ships. I remember that the US public generally favored the UK at the time. At least I remember seeing a lot of "Falk Argentina" bumper stickers.
Reagan actually offered the Brits a US Fleet carrier to borrow if one of their carriers were to be destroyed.
The US allowed British ships to use the naval base at Charleston, SC. Not sure about other US bases but there were a lot of British sailors on the base.
And released aim 9L’s to the harriers. That were more modern and didn’t actually fit. So British sailors had to take hacksaws to the missiles before mounting them.
Though it’s argued the CIA and backing of the military junta. Was to cause for the targeting of the Falklands. With reason to believe “Britain can’t defend the Falklands” or simply wouldn’t bother.
So yes.. a best friend when shit hits the fan. But... maybe also the reason?
@@jugganaut33 interesting... After all, the US knows how to cover shenanigans up.
So we lose 700 men helping the Americans in their two recent wars, and America held our coat in the Falklands war.
Cowards.
The one thing I'd add on to you talking about NATO's lack of help, aside from the US backing the junta, is because of NATO Article 6:
"Article 6 states that the treaty covers only member states' territories in Europe and North America, and islands in the North Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer, plus French Algeria."
IIRC it was written to prevent the US having to defend everyone's colonies after the 40s.
I didn’t know that, thank you.
Makes it even more ridiculous that NATO entered Afghanistan.
@@lostcause78 no, the argument was that the U.S.A was attacked in New York. Doesn' make any more semse, but no less either.
Indeed, it is 'NATO' not 'SATO'. The reason it went to Afghanistan was due to an attack in the NATO area, 9/11. Co-incidentally, 28 years before to the day, Pinochet overthrew Allende in Chile.
Thank you, I figured something like that was up. Considering how helpful Britain had been to us Americans i figured at least my country would have done something to help otherwise
I understood Portugal (our oldest alliance) offered help through use of bases in the Azores.
@Gar Yes that's true. They were the first to offer assistance.
All History Lessons should be this fun. Brilliant mate. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Well done
Lindybeige....what a great great video.... I talked to Hector Bonzo once, the Captain of the ARA Belgrano and he told me that they were at war, and he would´ve done the same if he was the Captain of the Conqueror. Great chap he was...
I read an article by him about the sinking - a very professional and honourable man from what I could see.
Santiago Arias of course, we were at war. Enemies don’t allow ships to threaten their own. Anyone thinking differently is a fool and knows nothing of conflict. Image we didn’t sink it then they sink several ships and the war is over. Then this is known, a shit storm would ensue.
I found some flaws in the video. If I may be so bold, I would like to ask you to read them.
@@Kriegerdammerung inlight me
@@SantiagoAriasEskapa While this video about Malvinas War was very informative and true, I would like to object to some of its points:
I - 0:25 Malvinas Islands has got its "sovereign" status simply because the Kelpers when asked by Parliament or the Prime Minister whether to adopt the culture of Argentina or not they declined. Should they be offered a job and a place to live in London, Malvinas Islands would be as populated as Mars. So in my opinion, the only argument of England's grip is "we have got first class citizens and rubbish citizens", which is a very poor one.
II - 13:27 the military junta invaded Malvinas Islands not for the reason Mr. Lindybeige stated - not entirely at least - the coup were becoming less popular (US President Jimmy Carter had even created an office to encourage Argentinians to report human rights violations) and feared to be overthrown by the people marching on the streets (Which we Argentinians did and are fond to do with rogue militaries) by pulling the string of nationalism, they gained a voluptuous approval overnight, before 2nd of April people would gather into meetings and demonstrations to denounce the dictatorship, after the invasion people did the same but to cheer the terrorist government.
III - 20:05 Not an objection to the topic: this tropes of bureaucracy are proof that "democracy" is flawed on purpose.
IV - 21:33 Not an objection to the topic: not clips, but magazines!
V - 24:34 This is a lie, Allende was elected precisely because Chilean citizens were upset by the level of corruption. Also, Allende appointed the would-be-dictator Pinochet as Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces.
VI - 36:47 the propaganda and faked news framed by the dictatorship were even more infuriating
VII - 1:00:54 This statement of Lloyd connects with point II
As an Argentinian watching a RUclips channel that often talks about 20th century military history, this is the video I've been waiting to see. As the other Argentinian said, I need my pop corn now
@Colin Cleveland I wish that could be a rematch, but the current manegerial stage of Argentinian football leaves much to be desired. No doubt that would be a hell of a match though
Que hacés boludo?
My uncle was there in the Fuerza Aérea Argentina. He made it on TV a few years ago talking about his experiences back in 1982.
The same thing here. As an Argentinian i saw this comming for years!! I tought that the video would be a little bit different but i do like this video so keep the good work running lindy!! PS see you britts at the world cup :p
Brazilian here. I have been to Argentina and Chile a few times. Great video, I had no idea so much was going on during this period.
After New Zealand offered some "sheeps," the Canadians offered their Air Force. 2,000 Canadian geese were assembled. The UK turned this down, for they did not wish to unleash a war crime.
If you have a problem with Canadian geese then you’ve got a problem with Wayne and I suggest you let that marinate.
Jesus fucking christ and the argentinians say we are criminals for sinking the belgrano. We didnt even set the geese on them
The geese are NOT Canadian. The proper name is Canada Goose. . .
Sadly it was hunting season in the US and none of the geese made it to the South Atlantic.
man, those canadian geese are vicious. They shit up a storm, roughly 2 kilos per day. Setting them on on the argies would have literally been a shitstorm. Would have given a new meaning to the term "full of shit" which the argies of course already were, notwithstanding the canuck birds...
Funny how the tables turn. Now the Chilean Military is one of the most advanced in the continent. And the Argentinian Military can barely function...
Really? Chilean army has one key advantage, publicity. This guy imported COVID to the White Continent, but they covered it rather fast...
argentina itself cant function at all
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chilie's always had a good military has it not? from the war in the pacific
😐Play nice down there, fellow westerners. I think this century is the one we'll all have to come together. There may not be a great deal of love for the US these days, but as the sun sets on this empire, we'll all have to manage to make it work.
We'll be playing a much smaller role on the global stage and Our interests are naturally going to turn towards our own geographical area, after all...We're going to start focusing on our good friends to the south. 😀
In a handful of generations, I could easily imagine massive infrastructure and trade network improvements, connecting North and South America in an expanded Commonwealth of Nations. Something MUCH more cohesive than what we have now. A vast trade network spanning both continents, with the EU as solid allies.
😀You'll get to work alongside the British again! I'm sure this is going to be a hassle for everyone involved, including us (considering the costs) but our great great grandchildren will all profit greatly from this.
Thank you Chile! Any Chilean reading this first of all Thank you from a grateful Brit, secondly I promise from now on I will support Chile in any football match as long as your not playing any of the British teams or Ireland.
to be honest, Chile did it for self-preservation, the argies chanted "first the English and then the Chileans". we would've been tremendously stupid by not being ready to thwart those plans.
@@chileanguyfleegman
It doesn't really matter why you did it, every country has to consider its own interests in these matters, we still appreciate the help anyway.
Oh, and your wine is good too!
The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.
@@CommonSenserules1981 Without of the help of Chile, England doesnt win the war
@@FutHDChannel Why what do you think Chile did that to gain the British victory? Even the US did not do anything that gave the British the victory. The only chance Argentina has was with the Air force to stop the ships but even with out-numbering the British small fleet of Harriers, they lost.
And on the ground, there is no solder better than the British soldier, its was a wipe out.
Once Margret Thatcher saw a homeless man on the street with a sign that said "Falklands War Vet" Feeling for one one her boys she gave the man some money. He looked up, smiled and said, "Gracias."
@@TonyBustaroni Obviously it is a joke, and it *IS* funny.
i found it hilarious. I'm writing this from Argentina :)
@@estebancastellino3284 In that case, Gracias
@@TonyBustaroni yes sadly funny, but YES a lie; thatcher help a homeless person likely as flying herd of her PIGS
@@TonyBustaroni Funny as fuck! Are you a septic?
Britain: So, we can count on your help right?
Everyone: _Nope._
Britain: *Ah shit, here we go again.*
Chile: _Allow us to introduce ourselves._
*Forgotten Kiwi noises*
Cries is Kiwi
@@jugganaut33 I know you're trying to be jokey, but South Africa was still under apartheid during the Falklands conflict and for several years to come. So I'm not sure bringing race into it is particularly helpful!
Too often forgotten: Portugal "Of course we have your back, as always."
Yep, as always, count ONLY on yourself and expect the worst. Standard routine.
My father was a logistic officer in the Swedish army and was delivering BV 202 to the Britisch in this war. My father love to tell the story that the britisch always bought him a beer when he told them that he was one of the officer who brought them the wagons.
Hey Marcus, I used the Hagland BV 206 while there in 1983,grat bit of kit!!!
Australia did help a bit.
We let Britain pull out of the sale of HMS Invincible. Britain had agreed to the sale shortly before the invasion. (it was to be renamed HMAS Australia).
Well Britain had the ship, so Australia didn't have much choice over the matter
Ironically enough Argentina saved the Royal Navy from death by politician.
@@Colonel_Overkill Temporarily maybe. Look at the Royal Navy now. :(
@@getlost6998 the proposed plan was to decommission all RN surface ships and rely on submarine assets only. Any surface assets were to be supplied by NATO. So yea, the RN is in poor shape but nowhere near as bad as it could have been.
@@Colonel_OverkillI think that they only delayed it's death. We have a paltry number of frigates at the moment (19) and only 6 cruisers. The policing we do needs double that easily.
"When a nation has to win a war on her own, she wants allies, but when she *has* won a war on her own, she prefers the solitude."
- Lloyd, 2019
nice quote
not a war
David Kueny: I really think you've missed the whole point of this film.
The US were very much an ally. They provided much needed weapons to win the air battles and gave intel. Even offered to borrow a carrier if needed.
@@chaipup7045 of course it was a war.
That helicopter was found near my city. It landed near a boarding school a few km away from here and it was burned by the crew. Then, they walked into the city.
[Edit - 31.07.2019] More on operation Mikado and the helicopter that landed in Chile can be seen on the new video "SAS Raid - Argentina 1982" on the "Mark Felton Productions" channel, posted today. My city (Punta Arenas) is shown in the maps there.
Regards from Chilean Patagonia.
That helicopter was prepped on HMS Hermes. Its role was a secret but we all knew what it was being prepped for!
Interesting. But thanks, I don't follow 'Mark Felton Productions' because he actually celebrates women being killed through fighting in war as if that's something a civilization should be proud of. Only Communists do that; trick women into dying rather than having children, and then lauding them.
It's a subversive and dysfunctional viewpoint, yet Felton loves it.
@@sunnyjim1355 lol what's wrong with women being killed in war??
Also, if the men are killed how can the women have children???
In fact, the Americans gave us every support they were asked for, most notably as many of the latest, greatly improved, Sidewinders as we wanted. They were critical to our success in the air fighting. Other countries, including France worked hard to prevent Argentina from getting any more Exocet sea-skimming missiles. They had five and took out three ships. Two were fired into the Atlantic Conveyor. We had no real defence from them as we had taken the Ark Royal out of service shortly before, with its Gannet Airborne Radar aircraft - and supersonic, long-range, well radar equipped, four Sidewinder-armed Phantoms.
The US did not 'give' Britain the latest Sidewinders. Britain had already purchased them, the delivery was simply expedited.
@@nzgunnie Not exactly so. The UK air forces knew of them but Casper Weinburger expressly said, "You can have what you want", and allowed the flow to be as free as possible. They were delivered to Ascension and many crates of them were loaded on to the Atlantic Conveyor. The 9Ls were a game changer.
@@nzgunnie The ‘problem’ that the Task Force had with the Sidewinder missiles was that the AIM-9L versions that were taken to the Falklands were from NATO ‘war stocks’ held by the United Kingdom. As I understand it these were not supposed to be used unless NATO officially sanctioned their issue. The United States ‘supplied’ AIM-9L missiles from their own stock to replace the missiles taken with the Task Force (possibly one-hundred missiles but I could be wrong there); I don’t think that this even required any US AIM-9L missiles to be moved, they were just ‘allocated’ to the NATO war stocks.
And also…did British REALLY need our help?!! (The US)….all we would do was aggravate the situation and raise its profile to the point where even more nations might be involved and our presence would have introduced the presence of other, unsavory characters who would use the unrest for their own gain such as China, Cuba and the USSR.
It was much better we kept the conflict as regional as possible and this is exactly what Reagan told thatcher.
Now, if Britain REALLY couldn’t even beat the likes of Argentina then yes, eventually we would’ve stepped in but we are a double edged sword due to our size and profile/
Why didn’t they get the Arc Royal out of the shed and send her down to mop up?
3:05: "The americans was backers of the argentinian junta...", proceeds to show a picture of Pinochet, who was leader of the Chilean Junta...
@Richard Griffiths Why would Chile's support for the UK have been clandestine..
Chile was never in good relations with Argentina leading up to the Falklands war.
There had been border disputes and plenty of unfriendly dealings between the two.
And it was clear to Chile that once the Falklands had been sorted, Argentina would go after the islands in the Beagle channel
@@stijnvandamme76 En primer lugar nunca en la historia hubo una guerra entre Chile y Argentina. las escaramuzas en la zona del canal solamente sirvieron para que ambas dictaduras tengan excusas para rearmarse y desviar la atención de las atrocidades que hacían con sus pueblos. La guerra era entre Argentina y los piratas, Chile no tenía nada que ver. Chile se declaró neutral y terminó haciendo todo lo contrario, se involucró de lleno en uno de los bandos. Como personas inteligentes no pueden pensar, o comprar propaganda que después de Malvinas Argentina iría por Chile. Imposible, como pueden pensar que una nación después de una guerra contra una alianza internacional (los ingleses nunca pelean solos, siempre piden ayuda), sea cual sea el resultado, y el mejor de los casos suponiendo que ganara la guerra, aún le queden fuerzas, hombres y material para embarcarse en otra guerra, esta ves contra un pais vecino, ni siquiera una potencia mundial lo podría hacer, por supuesto menos Argentina y hasta los propios servicios secretos chilenos lo sabían. Se inventó esa excusa para tratar de limpiar la imagen de tan cobarde ayuda y nada mejor que esta locura, que porque unos miles gritaban tero, tero, por los dichos de Galtieri, etc, nada real, nunca estuvo en los planes invadir o atacar Chile después de los piratas.Es cuestión de pensarlo un poco y no fanatizarse con lo que te taladran la cabeza para que lo repitan. Igual nada de rencor, pero basta de esa excusa, es muy débil y sin sustento, las verdaderas razones fueron otras y no te la van a contar a vos y menos a nosotros.,
Shut up with your facts!
@Richard Griffiths We liked both dictatorships of Argentina and Chile because they were anti communist during the cold war. Hence the U.S. telling Britain "you're own your own" in dealing with the Falklands.
We were scared to death of communism spreading in our backyard of South America. That's why we threw Africa, and the colonial empires there to the wolves. Take Soviet energy away from Latin America.
ARA General Belgrano formerly USS Phoenix. Survived Pearl Harbour but she had the dubious honour of being the first ship sunk by a nuclear submarine. HMS Conqueror was my last boat. Missed that trip though, left in '79.
Joe Turner. Phoenix was also the ship used in the British movie The Battle of the River Plate, about the sinking of the admiral Graf Spee. Where she played the part of the Graf Spee herself. Earning the honour to be 'sunk' twice in her career. Oddly enough, the Phoenix had a flaw that many U.S. cruisers had. The fault was in the construction of the ships bows and stern sections, with several ships through the classes losing bows in relatively calm seas. This was ultimately shown when the ARA Belgrano sank despite the damage to the bow section being caused by a MK8 torpedo. Much respect and thanks.
@@cgh1060 In the 1956 Film USS Salem (CA 138)played Graf Spee.
USS Phoenix had already been sold to Argentina in 1951.
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This I did not know🤔 that ship deserves a ‘This is Your Life Belgrano’ documentary🤭 how extraordinary. Stupid bloody waste of time money and young lives the whole bleeding lot: that old lie, dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori. Wonder what the Carbon footprint of the whole expedition was🤔 a new age now - where will we start - to stop global warming?
In fairness, I believe that Portugal gave us logistical support by using their atlantic islands.
@Amando Marques gotem
@Amando Marques As if anyone was in a position to retake or defend Goa
@@kappatalist1014 1.3 billion indians vs 80 million britts I think it is possible
The Prophet of the Cult of Manbar Portugal has technically been an ally for 7 centuries so not really surprised.
@Amando Marques You may not have noticed, but we didn't manage to hold onto the rest of India our selves. Britain has pretty consistently held by their agreements, we entered two world wars to keep by our word to defend our allies, wars which my family lost plenty in, you're welcome.
I have a lot of time for the Chilians and knew of their assistance during the conflict.
I always buy their wine and apples when I see them in the supermarket!
I want to visit Chile at some point. Such an interesting country!
We're "Chileans", though. But thank you.
What? The Chileans or the wine and apples?
Jolson
Ustedes son grandes guerreros y, tambien destaco sus hermosas mujeres. Gracias por comprar nuestros vinos y manzanas!!
the Royal Navy has always had close relations with the Armada de Chile, a force that was created based on Nelsons navy... and commanded by a former Royal Navy officer, the famous Lord Thomas Cochrane... besides this, until this very date Chile is a close military allied nation to both the US and the UK (besides a friend of AUS, NZ, CDN) it is a well known "secret" in Chile, that nobody was at that time thinking about helping Argentina, on the contrary: "my enemy`s enemy is my friend"... The situation today is quite different, because the context is quite another one. Even so there is no surprise that the chilean navy as well as its air force are perhaps the most powerful and modern in latinamerica, besides the brazilian armed forces...
Yes, but remember that those political decitions were framed by a rogue militar, a terrorist and a murderer of his own citizens (Augusto Pinochet), the democratically elected government of the Constitution would have never allied with the UK (I mean Allende).
@@Kriegerdammerung I said, they have had close ties since the time of Cochrane, the Pinochet era is here a mere detail, and just recently the Royal Navy and the Armada de Chile renewed their close ties as Princess Anne visited the country representing the Royal Navy, visit which later developed into a cooperation in radar alert systems for the southern Pacific-Atlantic, this is NOW, Pinochet was active 40 years ago! And of course nobody would have wanted any joint mission with the Allende regime (except communist countries)...
@@puma1304 Wow, wait, stop... a democratically elected government is overthrown by a Pentagon-backed group of terrorists, the legal figures all the way up to the President assassinated... and you telling me that's a "mere detail"? hold my Constitution.
This is NOW, I agree, Pinochet did reforms to make Chile a vassal State of the northern powers that STILL exist. When the Chilean people were on the streets for La Constituyente ( = political reforms) the heirs of Pinochet blinded citizens with gunfire in defence of the Pinochet Constitution. Pineda does not agree with you in the "mere detail" aspect :/
@@Kriegerdammerung we might keep discussing and arguing about this but this is not the thematic of the original note, which is the historical relationships between 2 Armadas, not Pinochet, an idiot which I do not support, and what the Thatcher government accorded with him for the prosecution of the Falkland war is not something that I will approve or not approve, it just happened and geopolitics in the region remain about the same as then, same issues, same actors, but new challenges that will affect the final result (like climate change, which will have lasing effects not only in the Subantartic region...) Kriegerdämmerung tönt schon nach einem wagnerianischen Drama, und wir alle wissen welche Vorstellungen gewisse berühmte Politiker davon hatten, so wenn Sie schon unter der Allende Regierung mal gelebt hätten wüssten Sie auch vielleicht wovon Sie sprechen! und mit diesem Kommentar betrachte ich diesen "Dialog" als erledigt!
@@puma1304 Mate, there is not much to actually discuss. I'm a pro-democracy man, if you are the same we must agree.
For example, now there is a new democratically elected President that is not a pro-Pinochet politician. In fact his, pro-independent measures made Pineda furious and he wants to pulverize economic assets at 400 thousand million dollars before ending his term.
What is your opinion of this man Boric that wants to make Chile great again?
There's a great bit in the book The secret diary of Adrian Mole where Adrian gets up early and sees the news about the Falklands being invaded and goes upstairs to tell his still sleeping dad. The dad jumps out of bed swearing loudly rushes through getting dressed so much that his jeans are back to front and shirt buttons don't line up he then runs down stairs cursing the whole time, he watches the news for like a minute turns to Adrian and says "Wait, are the Falkland Islands in South America"? He then goes crazy on Adrian as he heads back to bed saying for gods sake I thought they were in Scotland!
What's great is it is actually kind of accurate as before the invasion hardly anyone knew where the Falklands were.
I loved that bit. I still dig it out now and again, to cheer myself up. It's a brilliant book.
@@pwareham61 Sue Townshend was brilliant, I cannot remember the name but she did another one about the royal family moving into a council estate but nothing eclipses Adrian Mole
Haha! I remember that but i can't remember if it was in book 1 or book 2
Now THIS .... military , cloak and dagger , sneak and peek operations .
Our hero on the ground , first hand accounts ... adventure and danger ...
All narrated by Lloyd in his indomitable British manner ...
I can’t tell you how enjoyable I found it all .
Ah , the machinations of mice and men ...
The lengths men will go to in order to do their duty .
Especially the vagaries of clandestine operations in foreign lands ... a cracking good story , well told !
I worked with an ex NZDF soldier late last year and he told me that when the war started between UK and Argentina ,our entire DF was kitted up and ready to 2000 Soldiers out on the pad waiting to be transported to port via trucks, then they recieved some good news.
Everyone here was quite happy about that.
Fun fact. Even today the entire NZDF can fit on our navy. As our forces are designed to be a QRF anywhere in the South Pacific or for home D.
We're still one of the most readily deployable forces in the world from the moment we get a call to the moment ships start leaving port.
In fact most of our frigates have as more space for troops than armaments.
And watch out Lindy. Google maps has since deleted San Felix Island. a.k.a Not-a-super-secret-Chilean-airbase
Hahaha nice one mate
not war, conflict.
It was no secret that the Chileans did assist the task force with intelligence information.
Kiwis are awesome, nicest people I've ever met, also dope to know your DF is well oiled, much respect
The Ghurka:
He attac
He protec
But best of all
He choppy off your nek
I knew one of the guys who was one of the Gurkha officers during the Falklands. Two of them would sneak into the Argentina positions at night and tie the sleeping conscripts boot laces together or flat out steal them.
She Protec
She Attac
But most importantly
She get the Falklands bacc
he take Port Stanley back.
*adjusts monocle* Tennyson, isn't it?
Random fact: most who sign up to be a ghurka will get turned down for having tuberculosis. It's a big problem in Nepal.
Please don't apologize for your tangents!! They're a more than welcome important part of your videos.
"has anyone ever hijacked a plane with a pair of nail clippers?"
No, just goes to show that confiscating them works!
I.... Have no argument against that logic
You win
You could still attempted to hijack the plane using your overgrown talons as weapons... passengers wielding nail clippers would have promptly neutralized the threat...
Just with the bottles band.
Someone once made a bomb out of a bottle of contact solution. The bomb worked. But luckily that plane had its fuel tanks moved. Otherwise there probably wouldn't have been anything of the plane left
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot
@@SilverMe2004 Jesus Christ, if that plot would have been successful, it would have caused _much_ more damage than 9/11. Good thing that it didn't happen and that airplanes are a lot safer now.
Ha Ha
My Father was a Senior Officer in Her Majesty's Royal Marine Commandos from 1940 till 1981, before that in 1938 he had joined up and become an Anti Aircraft gun loader, he was lucky and escaped from Dunkirk. Before he knew it he was sent to Scotland and joined what was then just called Commandos. He retired in 1981 after Serving at NATO H.Q. in Brussels, Belgium.
Two weeks after he retired he co-signed my paperwork for me to follow in the family tradition by joining Her Majesty's Royal Marine Commandos on my 17th birthday. Making me the youngest of his son's to join the RMC, and my older sister who had joined Royal Military Medical Corp as a Trauma and General Surgeon who operated on me three times in my career.
After 32 weeks of basic training, 16 weeks of Arctic and Survival training I was sent with part of my Regiment 42 Commando, to the Falkland Islands in 1982, when Argentina invaded the Falklands and other British territories in the South Atlantic.
At about on the 21st of May at 1am we landed at Fanning Head, about 1 to 2 miles from San Carlos in company strength, we had rowed our rubber landing boats to keep the element surprise on our side. After organising in pitch black conditions, we quietly spread out to cover the main landing force from counter attack, and to take out any enemy lookouts. After the main landing force had achieved a successful base of Operations we were relieved. We kitted up at about 4pm, we were carrying about 100lbs per man plus our weapons and ammunition, about 30 more pounds, and we started the 'yomp' (march) to find the enemy.
The reason we had to move on foot was because the vast majority of our transport helicopters were lost when the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk, we only had 1 Chinook. After several small engagements, mainly hastily arranged enemy traps or Farm buildings, we joined up with the Gurkha's just south of Mt. Kent. There we had our first hot meal since our insertion at Goose Green. I never knew you could be that exhausted, all of our feet were rotting and split from the thick boggy terrain we had been through in freezing weather, but we had covered between 55 to 60 miles. After a 12 hour rest on freezing rocks, we attacked the south of Mt. Harriet while the Gurkha's launched a fierce attack howling at the Argentinian positions. Oh yeah, so they don't throw a hissy fit, 45 Commando attacked Two Sisters Ridge too apparently. After a few more hours we moved west with the Gurkha's and gave cover support to the Scots Guards attacked the enemy on Mt. Tumbledown, after a vicious gun and hand to hand battle the last of the Argentinian forces retreated to their last defensive positions. Along with the Scots, Gurkha's and some Paras, we then set ourselves ready just south of Sapper Hill and waited for the order to come to finish off the enemy outside Stanley. We could almost taste the relief when they surrendered on the 14th of June after 5 days of exchanges, some very intense.
I sat on a pavement in Stanley having my feet treated by a medic and a young girl (about 12) when 3 of my brothers came and sat beside me. One of my brothers jabbed me in the ribs as we smoked, I felt a sharp pain, the medic checked my ribs and discovered I had been lucky and only received a graze from an enemy bullet. My brother started laughing, and told me I'd finally lost my virginity. After returning back in the U.K. we stayed at our Parents and spent at least a week drinking before re-joining our Regiments. I served in the Royal Marine Commandos and other more specialised groups until 2015 before having my career ended in Afghanistan.
I now am nearly dependant on a wheelchair, but life is still good. I have PTSD and depression. But I have 3 children and 5 grand children. So life is better than I deserve.
As a fighting force and National Military, we had achieved something that no other Western Armed Forces could have under the same extreme operational conditions.
Thank you very much for telling your story and for your sacrifices. You’re a hero. For me, for the Falkland Islanders and for everyone who believes that the Falkland Islanders are the rightful and only owners of their islands. I wished we could show our eternal gratitude to you with something more than words.
We need to get the squad back together and take back Hong Kong.
Yes!
Yes Hong Kong is becoming a land of idiocracy and retardism of different factions of civilians thinking they'll conquer all of china so yes we should invade Hong Kong because we have superior navy
Opium war part 3...except this time the uk gets its ass kicked by china
@@RaidsEpicly Judging by our sad track record of our allies leaving us to fight alone, probably!
Capelett even allows the I’m would still get stomped
Lindybeige: "I do love a book that's short!" *Proceeds with really long video.*
Me: *Watched entire video, anyway.*
Only found this guy a few weeks ago- he’s bloody fantastic
Until you watch some of his older 'rants' that is...
This might be the best channel on RUclips. My first of his videos, and I’m deeply impressed by his knowledge. How have I missed this? Subscribed.
Buckle in. You’ll rewatch every video over and over again
I saw this one coming long ago. As an argie I’m fetching my popcorn
Wow, no offense, but i've never seen an argie take that attitude before. Normally I see you guys absolutely losing their minds over the issue. Am I being misled about what the average Argentine thinks by a vocal minority on the internet?
@@internetenjoyer1044 totally, thats what internet is for boludo
@@ThomasBreaker Thanks for that explanation. From the British perspective, our ownership of the Falklands is perhaps one of the least controversial in history. We came to it uninhabitted, settled on it, and have had the only longstanding population on it in known history. We don't quite get the Argentinian claim becuase it wasn ours before Argentina existed. But i understand why you guys feel strongly about it, since from what I see it's a bit of a founding national myth. We also don;t buy the proximity argument, becuase argentina is like 300 or so miles away from argentina. When your entire country is 600 miles long, 300 miles just doesn't register as "off the coast" of another country lol.
@@internetenjoyer1044 I understand your perspective, but we have a diferent story over here. The Malvinas (Falklands) were habitated by Argentinians before England came along. At this point I don't know which version is right really. Nonetheless, the war was stupid, created by a terrible dictatorship.
@@camelot2863 That's not true. What you're referring to was a penal colony set up by someone with permission of both British and Argentinian governments (the dude just wanted an easy time i guess) that was removed by an American sailor because they were interferring with whaling or something. I'm hazy on the details, but this happened a long time after the British had made their claim to the Islands. The war was stupid, but I think you guys did quite well out of it; it got rid of the dictatorship, which must be a plus
You can't blame Canada for not helping. It was playoff season in the NHL.
The Sea Harriers were Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, not RAF. The Australian's said they would also have provided a warship in the Indian Ocean to free up a Royal Navy ship, had they been asked.
RAF Harriers and pilots were used on the Royal navy carries. USA offered Britain an entire nuclear power carrier, fully loaded. Problem no crew.
That is not quite correct. President Reagan authorised a plan for the US to loan one of their large amphibious assault ships, USS Iwo Jima, to the UK if one of the UK carriers had been badly damaged or sunk.
news.usni.org/2012/06/27/reagan-readied-us-warship-82-falklands-war-0
This US media article mentions USS Guam, which is another ship of the same design as USS Iwo Jima.
www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/03/07/us-aid-to-britain-in-falklands-war-is-detailed/6e50e92e-3f4b-4768-97fb-57b5593994e6/?noredirect=on&.19eeadee28aa
USS Iwo Jima and USS Guam were two ships of the same design with a large flat main deck and could be confused for an "aircraft carrier" but they were designed to be a troop carriers with a large main deck that could handle multiple transport helicopters landing/taking off at the same time. They were not nuclear powered and did not have aircraft launching catapults or landing wires that all of the actual US aircraft carriers have. Harrier jets don't need catapults or landing wires so they could have worked on USS Iwo Jima or USS Guam.
The story of the US offering the UK one of their nuclear carriers for the Falklands conflict is a myth. The US did have a plan to loan a large amphibious ship capable of handling Harrier jets to the UK, but that ship was not one of the US aircraft carriers.
@@garethbull2226 Thanks, very interesting
Fact-The new carrier (can't remember which one)that was about 6 peacetime weeks away from completion was actually being built for the Australian Navy,but the Argentinians invaded and the Australians did a deal to sell that ship back to The UK.A fortuitous coincidence for the English otherwise they would have had had no logistical hope.
@@oscarsusan3834 Not exactly true. There were plans to sell HMS Invincible to Australia, that were immediately dropped on the Argentine invasion.
Just found your channel - epic! a one hour, single take, no edit lecture and as interesting as it gets... SUBSCRIBED!
"Shieps? Shieps? D'ya want some shieps?
Or maybe some sheeps?"
-Kiwi accent
Ships sounds like shups in NZ accent...Have several Kiwi neighbours and friends here in Australia.
Your statements about air kills are incorrect: not one Sea Harrier was shot down by the Argentine aircraft. The only ones lost were through accidents or anti-aircraft fire.
A total of six Sea Harriers were lost by accident (4) or ground fire (2): additionally 3 Harrier GR.3s were also shot down by ground fire (and another was lost due to engine failure / heavy landing)
not a single one was lost in air-to-air combat.
@@stormwolf3255I could be wrong but one of the FRS MK1 that was chalked up as an accident was potentially due to a tired pilot and a minor malfunction that increased workload to the point of making the accident happen. Don't quote me on it though.
@@gordonlawrence4749 Just FYI www.naval-history.net/F63-Falklands-British_aircraft_lost.htm
If I remember correctly the Argy planes had no AA capabilities, only to dog-fight with guns and rockets; also those Mirages weren't very maneuverable for those types of combat.
Sea Harriers were neither supersonic (= 343 m/s) nor particularly difficult to defeat, one was shot down by a .50 machine gun mounted on a rigid inflatable boat. The air kills were higher than the Ministry of Defence would admit
They didn't just invade because that is what military dictatorships do, give them a bit more credit. They had an economic crisis with civil unrest at hand at the time. The idea was to capture the Falklands and thereby instil patriotic feelings in the masses which still hold the idea that the Falklands belong to Argentina. This would distract the populous from the ongoing crisis and buy time to solve it.
Admiral Anaya who designed the campaign dismissed the idea the British would actually fight for the islands. The islands where to remote and unimportant he figured. He though Britain would just let it happen.
Well little did he know...
Argentina did nothing wrong.
51:22 where is this footage?
@@Therworldtube Why are you spamming that?
Argentina still hasn't solved it.
Yeah Cristina Kirchner used the Malvinas tactic as well to deflect criticism from her government. I hope Argies are not fooled by this.
This conflict happened in my childhood, too. I remember it quite well. I knew nothing of the involvement of Chile, though. This was quite an interesting and enlightening presentation.
At first I was reluctant to watch this video, but in the end, I really liked it. Very well presented and interesting. Greeting from Argentina.
Hello, at 03:12 you show a photo of General Pinochet (chilean) with Kissinger, while talking about the argentinian Junta Militar... (PS. the leader of the Argentinian Junta that invaded the islands was Grl. Leopoldo Galtieri)
I came to the comments section to mention exactly that. While the statement is true (Pinochet was a puppet to Kissinger after Chile's 9/11 attacks because "mUh CoMmUniSm", Pinochet was Chile's leader, not Argentina's.
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Oops posted in error
Yes, I also jumped up about that. The relevance of that becomes clearer a little later in the film.
I like how he decided to throw in a picture of Jeor Mormont on a wall that's otherwise filled entirely with pictures from nature.
There's a story about that picture, Lloyd talked about it some years back
@@bitterleafcastle1552 what is it
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There is a video about it somewhere on the channel. They met somewhere something something
Jeor Mormont? That's Angus McLeod of the clan McLeod, Connor McLeod of the clan Mcleod's cousin. Also, strangely, Mark "Choose Life" Renton's father and, weirdly, he's been seen riding a sleigh in a very jolly fashion.
Glad to hear ol' Maggie spoke out against what she perceived to be a political injustice. Too bad it was in favor of a mass-murdering dictator and not, you know, taking a strong stance against apartheid South Africa.
The Chilean military is heavily influenced by the Prussians. Latin American armies have a lot Prussian tradition. Additionally the Chilean Navy had relations with the Royal Navy
The Chilean Navy has close ties with the Royal Navy because of the man, the myth, the motherfucking legend, Admiral Cochrane, the Sea Wolf.
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire Yes! Another person who thinks he was fucking awesome, fuck, everyone normally looks at you and says huh, who?
@@CENTURION-xs6ky him and Sir Sidney Smith were equals to Nelson if you ask me
In the early to late 1800s a lot of the South American countries bought surplus French military uniforms, equipment, & weapons. Sometimes French officers were hired to train their armies. Wars between countries could be confusing with different units of the same army wearing different uniforms & weapons from different eras. Also 2 nations would likely be wearing the same surplus French uniforms. In the late 1800s the Chileans hired a Prussian/German officer to rework it's military academy. Since then they have been heavily influenced by German traditions.
In the War of the Pacific (late 1800s), the Chileans used the first purpose built landing craft to perform the first amphibious assault in modern warfare.
I always wanted to know where were those Native American wearing Prussian uniforms from. I thought it was a high school carnival in the US.
The Royal New Zealand Navy relieved a Royal Navy frigate from patrol in the Indian Ocean Task Group, not in the Pacific Ocean.
*Weird fact:* A while ago I went on a motorcycle trip through Argentina. To this day, there are still plaques all over the motorways with the saying _"las Malvinas son argentinas"_ : The Falklands are Argentine.
They really did not get over the conflict.
I live in Argentina. Every year we get a day off from work in solemn commemoration of the war. On this day they cart out a replica Exocet into the town square, along with other memorabilia. Hell, my street is parallel to a street called "Nuestras Malvinas." The conflict these days is remembered as an anti-imperialist struggle to retake sovereign territory and that the soldiers (mostly young conscripts) who died in the war are national martyrs. You call those islands the Falklands around here and you are likely to get a dirty look if not a beatdown. (N.b as a Yank, I have no dog in this fight)
@@mason103 see the Top Gear Patagonia Special to see how this topic is a *VERY* delicate one to the Argentinians.
Yep. I worked there for a while. Every village has a plaque of what at first glance had a picture of a squashed butterfly... Actually a map of the islands.
They also shouted about it a lot on the radio around the 30th anniversary. It got quite uncomfortable for some of our team at that time. I was ok; they all thought I was German.
@@simpleminded1uk precisely the plaque I was referring to.
@@LucaHMafra Well, to be honest, the guys from Top Gear went there to cause that reaction. It was incredibly distasteful, specially going to villages where a lot of families lost their kids due to conscription.
Unpopular opinion: Top Gear is for boomers.
Very respectfull report and with interesting facts . Greetings from an Argentine historian
PD : the military junta didnt fall because of the war . It actually stayed in power 1 year and a half more after the end of war . It went out of office because of inflation rates and econonic recession
If the Falklands had fallen, followed by a successful invasion of Chile, he'd probably still be in power today. And Argentina would have had a period of affluence and prosperity instead of that recession. Instead, that dreadful Harpy in Westminster secured a second term for herself, which she used to completely dismantle the British coal, shipbuilding, and manufacturing industries, and tossed a whole generation of British working class kids onto the economic scrapheap.
Thanks for giving little old New Zealand a mention Lindy. We try to help the “Empire” where we can. 😃
Far away, but never forgotten. Thanks to all for your service, your sacrifices and your continued friendship. xx
My son and his wife have emigrated to New Zealand now. If there could be just one country that helped us out, I would want it to be you!
Simon Jones I think Australia or Canada would be better.
Your Unions went on strike when they were needed to load ships for Guadalcanal. Stalin didn't want a quick victory in the Pacific.
@@khadrtrudeau1662 this isnt a "cite" reply but can you point me to some more info on this please? It does sound exactly like the unions though.
Great stuff, Colonel. As a brief aside, at the time I was a kid growing up on the continent. There was a thoroughly obnoxious kid in the neighbourhood, who happened to be Argentinian. One day it came to the big show down - at the ping pong table (one of those outdoor concrete numbers). I am happy to report that the obnoxious runt banging on at me about 'Las Malvinas' was comprehensively destroyed at whiff whaff. One of the minor confrontations of the conflict, I agree. And contested by two protagonists in their very early teens. But a decisive British morale boosting victory nonetheless!
This is just my opinion but if you ever find yourself in a situation desperate enough that you need a grenade it's probably safe to assume that you're in a situation desperate enough that you need three grenades.
Grenades can always come in handy - Jayne Cobb school of thought.
Indeed. A bomb is a bad choice for close range combat. Only junkies on Zyme think otherwise.
I was in an intelligence unit of the Air Force at that time... I’m glad you mentioned our sat photo help during this conflict
You should tell us how you helped win the war…..lol
@@corsai7506 🤔
Go on tell us?
@@corsai7506 😂😂
DO A VIDEO ABOUT THE RHODESIAN BUSH WAR!!!!
I think that might be a bit much for lindy, considering the kind of discussion youtube videos about rhodesia tend to attract
It's an interesting subject but too loaded these days.
ruclips.net/video/DwstB5lu4BA/видео.html
"Green Leader", just typical of Rhodesian humour.
Listen to Green Leader's message to the (ATC) Lusaka tower, Mumba, Zambia.
Barely fit his balls in the cockpit of the Canberra!
The exploits of The Parachute Regiment during The Falklands Conflict was what convinced a 7 year old me that all I wanted to be when I grew up was a Para... 14 years later, I did.
Nice
Which battalion did you join?
@@amorembalming 3 Para.
Paras are very cool
@George S Utrinque Paratus 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧
hms Coventry was the ship you were seeking for when the atlantic conveyor went down I know coz I was on it :)
ben wright God bless you son, thanks for your service. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I was on Coventry too. Weapons Engineering Mech. It was a strange old day. Getting winched up by the Helicopter spinning slowly round was to my mind very strange.
When we want something done and done well we have always depended on the Royal Navy.
Thanks Ben. You and all your pals are heroes.
Lindybeige is like that guy who corners you near the fridge at a party and tells you long stories. Except his stories are actually fascinating.
argentianian here: "abrazo" is literally a hug, we dont have another word for it
But the way a Chilean does it is not the same as the convention in England. Point taken, though.
@@lindybeige And the Chilean do not hug as much as Argentinians do.
@@auersperg and kiss...haha. We kiss a lot...is so funny to see gauchos kissing each other...
@@SantiagoAriasEskapa jajaja.. i have not seen that before, but I'm sure Argentinians are much more happy people!
@@auersperg yes we are... we are italians speaking spanish...even the accent is an italian speaking spanish
Can we all just acknowledge for a minute the fact that lindy just stands there for an hour or so at a time without drinking water or going to the toilet just to share stuff with us?
Did a school project on Falklands war for History got an A1 in the end. Learned a lot from this video.
I am glad I've joined this conversation.
Well, monologue. But an interesting one!
Saludos from Chile