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I’m interested in how you’ll feel about the Hongdui top tier miter gauge from Banggood. I think it may well be as good if not better than the American made ones you’ve seen. It’s a top tier piece of equipment.
as a retired furniture maker, i do like to look at all the fancy new tools on the market. to be honest i made a living as a one man shop doing commission pieces using the mitre gauge supplied by the saw manufacturer. was it perfect? by no means it was pretty rubbish. but that's what i had and i made it work for me. if you understand your tools and know how to compensate, you can make with anything. money i spent on tools i didn't really need, was money that didn't go on the table.
Exactly. However everyone now seem to be paid amateurs. No formal training and let's be honest, none of them on RUclips are actually doing WOODWORKING for a living they are doing filming and the tools are the product.
Great review, I’ve been in the market for a good miter gauge for a couple years now. I’ve watched your previous reviews and was hesitant to pull the trigger because of some of the concerns you expressed. I’m a sawstop owner and was really intrigued when they launched their miter gauges. The revolution miter gauge seemed to tick all the boxes. My philosophy when making the purchase was why spend $200 or $300 and question if I’d be happier with something else. Yeah I agree I may never need all the features this miter gauge has but they’re there waiting for me if I do need them one day. So I’m the guy that would rather spend $450 once than $200 three or four times to find the one I like. It’s a fantastic tool, I’m glad I bought it.
Marc, thanks. I must add something to the mix. A quality tool with fantastic features I may never use gives me a sense of security using the tool. That crazy .1 degree accuracy is beyond what I would use but that feature, in turn, makes me trust the angels I do use. For me the highest common denominator trickles down to trusting the tool at the lowest denominators. Maybe I am quirky but that is important to me and worth the dollars spent.
Valid point! In fact you put into words a reaction I often have with tools and the reason I found myself attracted to this gauge even though I have no use for those crazy detents.
In designing projection systems for my previous life, we started at 3 decimal places for all the parts and pieces of the final assembly. The goal was that in the end combined tolerances would result in the tenth of an inch precision we needed. Aim small miss small as they say.
That's exactly it. To me working with quality tools is a pleasure. I'm not a professional woodworker, I do this for fun. Using the best tools I can afford is a significant part of the experience. It's sad that so many people take offense at what other spend their money on. Pursue your own happiness y'all!
I bought this miter gauge with my sawstop. One thing that that really bugs me is they only include imperial measurements and no option for metric. I even called support to see if they have a metric option or tape measurement replacement, no luck. The tape measurement width is 15.75mm for anyone that can recommend a replacement.
This is my thought too! I don’t do a ton of segmented turning but it’s always a process to dial it in exactly for the segments. This would be a game changer
WoW! I was very hesitant to make the purchase, but the little dove tail set point is a game changer!!!!! Thank you for such a great review!!!!! It is definitely a gauge that is beyond my woodworking, but will be awesome to grow into!
Marc, you are pretty superior at this. Thank you for putting 100% into every video. I have never once gotten any hint that you were phoning it in. You rock - and you have helped me a great deal!
I got a demo of this at Rockler and the dude at Sawstop used the same system you used to get rid of deflection. Impressive Marc! I was awed by the accuracy of the angled cuts but it's not something I would ever need. Great review!
@@MrWookie1981That does seem like a problem. Maybe then use a small quick clamp over the whole thing? Not a pretty solution, but the ergonomics could use some work anyway on most of these. All the settings do seem quite slow to use too here.
Marc, great video and a fantastic review! I really do need to thank SawStop for coming out with this miter gauge. It is an engineering marvel in spectacular fashion. It makes me feel SO much better about my decision to go with my Jessem Mite-R-Excel II gauge. With this one out there, I no longer have to feel guilty about purchasing the most expensive miter gauge ever produced! Thanks for that, Sawstop! You're the best! Honestly, the stop is a total deal breaker for me along with the scale. There was a saying in sniper training that corresponds to accuracy which states "Aim small, miss Small." which applies to woodworking with tight tolerances as well. However, at some point, you are "chasing zeros" when your resolution of error gets smaller than the rigidity of the material. This becomes the tipping point of futility and will result in throwing away both time and money to achieve something that frankly won't even exist long enough to get the project out of the shop. I was questioning myself on that very point when I decided on the Jessem miter gauge, but have now confirmed my choice with the advent of this new product from Sawstop. Not only is this thing cool as all get-out, but it looks like an absolutely over engineered time and money killer. I'm all about precision and accuracy in woodworking, and tend to work to the 0.001" resolution, but truly expect to only hit a 0.01" final result. If I get that accuracy, I know I've done a good job. This gauge will not make it into my shop, but I thank Sawstop for building it.
I'm not following the description the track snugger mechanism. You can't force those steel guides out by tightening down an O-ring. I think what's happening is the O-ring is acting like a spring. The guide bushing location is machined so that the bushing is going to be proud of the track width by default. When the screw is loose, and you push the miter gauge into the slot, the rubber O-ring acts like a spring and compresses, and allows the guide bushing to move inward to accommodate the width of the slot. This lets it essentially auto-adjust to the width of any miter slot. When you tighten the screw, you are merely locking it into position. This is similar to the Woodpecker spring auto-adjust mechanism, but better because you can lock it in place. Regarding the thumb screw to lock in the flip stop, that will definitely keep it secure, but you lose convenience. It's no longer a quick flip stop, and it won't work with a sacrificial fence unless you build in a similar dovetail or locking mechanism. I think SawStop whiffed on that flip stop design. The rest looks excellent.
I love these tool reviews that you do and much respect to you for paying for them out of your own pocket. Be careful when you plug into the amplifier, there’s a slight chance of an overload.
the dovetail slots seems like by design so that you can continue to use those sliding dovetail nuts in a sacrificial fence (provided you route in a dovetail slot) in order to prevent deflection. Very well thought out.
I finally splurged on the Hongdui one a few months ago as a replacement for my old Incra 1000se because I really don't like the "toothed" not-a-slider on their fence, hate almost cutting my fingers on their strangely sharp plastic knobs, and never could trust the measurements because that little ruler insert slips around too much. It doesn't have a vernier scale, but I rarely cut strange angles and I like how easy it is to set the ruler marks and end stop to zero against the blade (in both imperial and metric). The extension is also really nice. And as a splurge, I think it's definitely the best-looking option on the market.
Here's a DIY stop tip courtesy of Nick Engler. If your screw thread is 10-32, then you can easily dial to a 128th of an inch or less. A 128th would be a 1/4 turn. 1/8th of a turn would be 1/256. If your threaded piece is a flat head screw with a slot for a flat screwdriver, you have a visual guide for how much you have turned the thing. Can't find a threaded insert that 10-32 size? Take a long enough 10-32 piece of all-thread, and cut a couple grooves in the side a couple of inches long at the end. I used my dremel type tool with a thin cutoff wheel. You now have a tap suitable for wood. Chuck it in your drill and run it in and out of the wood a few times. I notice the Sawstop stop has a rounded bottom. Pretty sweet IMO, no dust messing the cut up, and looks good too.
I strive for machine shop accuracy in my woodworking. Will not attain it, but this approach has increased quality. Agree 100% with your assessment. That stop is a non-starter. Maybe you could do a collab with Mathias. Send him all those miter gauges and have him build the Homer Simpson car of miter gauges. I have an Incra and bought the Jessem after your video came out. Didn't know about the Jessem previously and it is a stout unit. You feel the quality when you pick it up, and that giant knurled knob..... Need I say more?
I noticed that when you did the little addendum at the end about how to lock the miter stop down, you didn’t mention that it won’t work on the extended fence. So it’ll only work for shorter pieces…so, it’s only a half fix. Good review!
To be fair on that though, he's comparing it to something that doesn't have its real stop work on the extended fence either. So that seems like a wash.
Is that knob screw thing long enough to go through a sacrificial fence and tighten and remain in the stop block or does it only work with the metal fence? If it can’t work with a sacrificial fence that could be another set back.
You'd probably need to make a sacrificial fence with a slot to reveal the original sliding block or you could route your own dovetailed slot to slip in the blocks. Either way, a little more work than we'd wish but possible.
Thanks for spending the bucks to test this miter gauge. I have an INCRA gauge and feel that it's overkill in the available angle settings. I seldom change angles and the cool factor on this one doesn't justify the expense in my opinion.
Hey Mark thank you for your awesome and honest review , coming from Europe we used to be very conservative on prices of our tools and only spend the money on good tool that will serve you for many years is ok and coming from that point I think this is a investment in your business and will make you money down the road if you are in fine woodworking world , I think that's an awesome tool and will be used alot considering we spent alot on festools as dominoes that actually cover only maybe 10% of a woodworking project and most of it it's cutting and dising , and that's when you get your opportunity to shine with the precision , personality i don't think it's overpriced all tho we are on a budget, thank you again for taking the time and making these awesome videos
Im glad you mentioned the fix for deflection, I was thinking the exact same thing when you showed how much the stop had, I also thought of the JKM stop (which I currently use and love). I use my crosscut sled more than anything and don't really have a need for a miter guage, unless I'm doing woodworking all wrong...lol. but with that said, I think I'd invest in this sawstop if I was in the market, so thank you so much for spending your own money to review this stuff for all of us.
A couple of issues with this method for securing the stop - 1. you can't access the micro adjust easily 2. You need to cut a matching dovetail in any sacrificial fence. Other than that, it is an option still
This was very helpful. One thing I’d like manufacturers to consider is making alternative bars for their gauges designed to work in slots of larger, industrial saws. Small market, for sure! But potentially prestigious?
When I first saw the knob you use on the stop I just assumed that was what it was used for until you showed it adjusting the dovetail nuts. Looks like a nice gauge, especially since I am still using the one that came with my Sawstop saw.
Wow, nice to see some innovation in this space rather than just trying to outdo the shiny! The dial feedback and the indexing feature are super sweet as well.
Excellent and informative, as always. I don't think I would ever need that degree of accuracy, but there are features about this gauge that can cause one to salivate.
Great review Marc! My Incra Miter 1000 has become one of the loves of my life and I highly recommend it for accuracy (and price). I'll be honest with you.....I never gave it a thought to display my SawStop brake and blade on my wall for everyone to see. You got guts to go along with your Giddy! (I love it when you get "giddy"). Keep up the great work.
Displaying the blade and brake on the wall sort of fits into Mark's goofiness. FYI Mark's goofiness is one of the reasons I keep coming back for more. With regard to the micro adjust, Nick Engler for years has pointed out that a screw with a 10-32 thread can make an excellent micro adjust. Take a chunk of wood (or aluminum, etc), drill and tap a hole for a 10-32 thread screw and thread the screw in the hole. You want to advance or retract 1/32"? That is 1 full turn. 1/128"? One quarter turn. 1/256"? 1/8 turn. Less than that? Blow on it, I guess. Now all you have to come up with is a mechanism to hold the block of material. Jonathan Katz-Moses, are you listening?
This was very amazing Marc. I think I your solution loosening up the two set screws and utilizing just the center hole will make it more attractive to buyers, who’ve seen this that is. Like you I probably don’t need anything this accurate with what’s been covered here previously. Excellent video, perhaps SS will modify the stop so as to do away with the 1/64 adjustment.
You asked why anyone would need .1 degree accuracy. Segmented wood turners use angles that go down to .1 degrees to cut segments. If the angle isn't accurate the segments do not fit together to form a ring. For people that work with staves or tapered polygons to form multisided vessels or boxes, accuracy down to .01 degree or better is needed.
These videos are interesting, and I always learn something. Would love to see reviews of some less expensive miter gauges such as Incra V27, Powertec, Wnew, etc. Would also appreciate reviews of third party flip stops with micro adjustment, and the new Milescraft track for circular saws. Thanks for everything. Take care and stay safe!
I was about to say the deflection in the stop would be a dealbreaker, but tightening it down with the hand screw seems more than acceptable. So now, I'll just complain about the price. I already have the Incra 1000SE based on your review of it.
Given the amount of engineering that clearly went into this, I would assume that your fix for the stop slop was the intended design, and it just didn't get documented in the handbook.
Seems like a great miter gauge and while that stop seems fancy it also feels like a big miss. The deflection is bad, the joints probably aren't very stable and the micro adjustment seems horrible. That all being said I don't really use micro adjustments and the rest of the tool seems to make up for those parts not being great. Just feels bad to pay that much and get a stop I'd likely end up replacing
Your solution to lock down the stop only works if you don't use a sacrificial fence. I use my miter guage for my accurate cuts and without a sacrificial fence, you can have tear out. Cutting the last cut on a piece you have milled down and are almost ready to assemble and then blowing out the back side is no bueno. I think I will stick with my Jessum. It makes me smile.
Great mod for the Stop Slop. I currently use the gauge that came with my SawStop, using an attached oak wood fence that has T-Track along the top edge, and a sliding metal flip-stop which has no movement once locked down. It is only the vernier precision of your tested model that I am Lacking, but I don't need it.
I have the Incra 1000HD, and while I don't use tenths of degrees, I do use several odd integer degrees making wacky half-lap joints for "kumiko style" patterns. This is all the miter gauge I'll ever need. What I might spring for is a gauge where the ruler was as accurate as the table saw fence ruler, and didn't get trashed every time I move the miter bar.
So when Saw Stop makes a few changes as you pointed out you will then have the absolute perfect miter gauge. However it will probably end up costing way more. I AM surprised that they made so many great features yet so poor on a few others. All of this is great if you ever needed to cut some weird angles like 19 and a half degrees. When was the last time you needed to cut that weird of an angle or any other for that matter. This is starting to become the accuracy of metal cutting equipment. Like one of your viewers said. You make what you have work. I’m a retired toolmaker of over 50 years. I used to grind snap gauges for the government to a tolerance of +/- .0002 on a crappy surface grinder. However it sure would have been great having a top of the line machine I’ll admit. All boils down to just what do you really need. Nice video though young man 🤙🏻
This may be a dumb idea, but can you put the Jessum or Harvey fence on the SawStop miter bar? That way you get the fence you are used to and the new dial.
Since you asked, Mark... I use a tablesaw and miter gauge to cut the heels of guitar necks so that the neck join the body at the correct angle to keep the guitar's geometry spot on. This needs to be done with a resolution of .1 degree (or better). Would that post-space age miter gauge make my life easier? Probably yes. However since its an operation that I do maybe a dozen or so time a year a little time fussing with my cheap miter gauge is worth the cost savings.
Marc, thank you. I can see an application for that kind of crazy accuracy on the angles. I do quite a bit of turning, and if i was really into segmented turning, this would be the next greatest thing since sliced bread.
your solution for the slop in the flip stop is pretty good, obviously..but for me, I cut both ends of my pieces at the table saw.. I would essentially have to flip the stop up, cut one end, flip the stop down, install the face bolt and repeat each time.. the angle adjustment is crazy though. But I'll stick with my incra 1000hd and incra crosscut sled!
I have a Robert Lang Billiard Chair in which the front legs are 25 inches apart and the back legs are 24 inches apart. He indicated there was a 91.6° on the tenons on the rails front to back. This is common for legs to be offset on chairs. I doing it by making a full scale drawing of the foot print and using that as a guide. Still haven't purchased.
Great video! I’ve been looking at this miter gauge for a while and tried it at Woodcraft. I’ve been watching your videos for years and immensely enjoy them. I’m am mostly a wood turner and believe I may purchase this miter gauge for my segmented turning. I have the PCS saw stop and the stock miter gauge which I’ve been wanting to change out. Thanks again for the review and your informational videos. Cheers! -Speros
Exactly my thoughts. I am a nerd who likes the idea of the precision on its own but am thinking this gauge is ideal for segmented turning. I purchased the MiterSet setup blocks to accomplish this, but I love that you can get everything with one device that has a lot of other uses as well. It would have been something to think about instead of the double purchases of upgraded miter gauge and MiterSet blocks combined. Also, I've watched a number of your videos over the years Speros. Well done!
@@tonyblanco305 Thanks Tony, appreciate it. I believe this Saw Stop miter gauge would be perfect for segmented turning, it’s all you would need another than the needed angles. lol I believe I am going to go for it and use the link to give him a little cash as well. Help out the follow woodworkers that I enjoy watching.
Mark there is no way I would spend that kind of money for something that is light years ahead of my needs. But! The technology and super accuracy of the Saw Stop Miter Gauge is beyond anything I've ever seen. Thanks for the review, even if I can't use the product. I can only hope that some of the technology in its accuracy trickles down to less expensive miter gauges. This was an informative and useful review. Keep up the good work.
Just last week I pulled the trigger on the JessEm Mite-R-Excel II with Micro Adjuster miter gauge. Then I saw this video and though that I just might have buyer's remorse. It wasn't until you demonstrated the micro adjustment feature that convinced me I made the right choice! I feel that this feature on the SawStop is poorly designed IMO. Sure, you solved the deflection issue, but it looks like no matter how you slice it, that adjust will be somewhat of an inconvenience ( especially if you need to jump back and forth between micro adjusting and securing the stop with the knob.. no thanks... though I really do like the angle adjuster - but given my hobby, I don't think I would need that fine tuned control to be honest. In either case, thanks for this video! Very informative! But as for me, I'll just wait for my JessEm to arrive. I know I will be happy with it!
Thanks for the review Marc. I have a Jessem miter gauge already but as I use three table saws I’m always looking for new and improved tools. I’ll give it some thought but I sure like my Jessem. Have a great day.
Great review Marc! Like so many others I could never justify spending this kind of money for a miter gauge, even though it has so many great features. However I can see how it would be well worth the expense for someone who does production work where precise, repeatable, angles are needed (a custom cabinet shop comes to mind). I can also see advantages for home builders and remodelers who need to make trim to fit some funky inside or outside corner angles. As for me, I will never need this kind of accuracy.
RE: the obvious alternative you spoke about - Incra... I have the Incra HD and I love it. However, the pivot bolt and bushing DO wear, and I've replaced them a couple of times. Always fixes the slop, but they don't last as long as I'd like.
As some have noted, you can’t lock down the stop when you use the extension for longer cuts. I was thinking one could make a sacrificial fence that I long enough and route a dovetail at the same location/height off of the table as the dovetail groove in the fence itself and just put the little dovetail locky thingies in the dovetail groove in the sacrificial fence. Maybe content for a follow-up video?
I was watching your review on the Harvey gauge 30 minutes ago! I have been shopping around for my first real miter gauge. This one is overkill for me but if you’re doing a give away, I’ll throw my hat in the ring! Always great reviews!
I ended up getting the Hongdui HD-MG21 based on the review of Dennis at Hooked on Wood. I have to say it is a very quality gauge with accuracy equal to that of the JessEm 1000HD and I am very happy with my purchase.
I designed a segmented arching truss for my green house build. Because there are 10 segments to the design and zero internal structure, each gusset needed to be accurate to, ideally, less than a 1/10 of a degree, otherwise the truss span could be off by more than a foot. I ended up creating a a jig that took hours to get correct. Had to use Trig and accurately calibrate the lengths of the sides of the triangles instead of directly cutting the angle like you could with a very accurate miter gage.
If I owned a top SawStop cab saw I’d probably be in a financial position to acquire this new and fairly improved gauge and I kinda like having matching factory components. Whether the accuracy would be beneficial I’m not sure. So a purchase of this magnitude would probably be somewhat subjective. Typically I don’t buy expensive accessories until they have been out in the community for some time, undergoing any revisions. I know guys who got burnt on the earlier Harvey gauges or even JessUm’s first generation all inclusive speed controlled router (for example). Their new one is revolutionary - point being, don’t rush in. My woodworking buddies all seem happy with the various models of the Incra gauge. Personally I prefer sleds and my own jigs specifically designed for tasks I do commonly. That being said, I love these reviews for the forthrightness afforded to fellow woodworking enthusiasts whose dollars value certainly needs careful consideration as the hobby and prosumers folks are more challenged every day with costs.
Mark thank you for your review on Saw Stop miter gage. Have you ever considered testing out Woodpeckers auto scale miter sled. If you look back a few years this is a much better improvement of Jentech's miter sled. Thank you, Bob
To clarify, 1/10th of a degree is actually the resolution of the angle adjuster, not its accuracy. Accuracy would be how much deviation (error) the miter gauge has from a given setting. Based on your measurements with the Klein angle finder, it is difficult to say what the accuracy of the Saw Stop miter gauge is. Klien specifies the accuracy of their angle finder as ±0.2 degrees, so I would bet the Saw Stop miter gauge is more accurate than the Klien angle finder... You might want to upgrade to a Mitutoyo 187-552 (±0.03 degrees max error) to verify accuracies this tight.
Send it to me and I'll let you know. I don't own a sawstop so they will never make a dime off me. lol I have an Incra 1000SE and am very happy with that. I don't see myself every spending that much for a miter saw when I only have a Dewalt 10 inch contractor saw. And this miter gauge costs almost as much as the saw. I only have a one care garage for a shop so a giant cabinet saw just won't fit. As you said it's over kill...
Very Impressive! While this level of accuracy is not needed in my shop. It does become a want instead of a need. I do believe the simplicity of use, could speed up production in my shop. Which could help justify the cost. However, the cost is the real problem for me compared to other ones on the market. This would probably be CryOnce Buy Once purchase for me. Thanks for giving me something to think about Marc! 😃👊
Before I got my Incra Miter 1000, I used strips of blue tape to make minor adjustments to the cut's angle (and I NAILED it). After I got my Incra Miter 1000, I've been gobsmacked by how accurate it is: I want 30°? I've got it. 45°? Done. It's just wonderful. My one observation from your review is that your solution to the stop problem prevents you from using a sacrificial back, right? Or have you developed a workaround?
on future models, if they added a second lane just for the knob to twist and hold then it would still allow you to have those other stops bolted in when you want them for repeat cuts
I recently built an octagon poker table. An error in the length of each side or angles is obviously multiplied when joing 8 pieces in a “circle”. This definitely would have made that process easier. It might be a little expensive relative to the competition. However, I see value here than in a $500 RO sander, and I own several of those.
Rewatching these miter reviews; just got a pair of Laguna F3 saws and the miters that come with them are... fine... but looking for better. I think at this point, it's coming down to the Jessem, or more likely - just expanding my stock of Incra stuff, and going with the 1000 SE again, OR... the V27(?) and making my own fence. I don't love Incra's fences.
I walked into Rockler and bought the Incra 1000SE after watching the big miter gauge shootout a few weeks ago. The Rockler employee then showed me this miter gauge and I was like, I would never need that much detail or precision at my level, since my table saw IS the dewalt feature in this video. Also, I've yet to step out of the pine/poplar world of wood :/
Nice miter fence, and great review, Marc. Question for you, or anyone who's played with this in real life: at the ~ 15:00 point, we can see the interface mechanism for the angle adjustment. I'm assuming none of that is plastic... right? If it happens to be, just how long will that .1 degree stuff last? And, if it's aluminum, kind of same question. This question gets after the whole "bulletproof vs. cost" issue Marc hit on very well.
I could see someone needing that accuracy if they needed to cut mitre’s into existing corners often. Chopsaws generally aren’t that great at that. I’m definitely interested in this one whenever I might could afford it, but it is definitely overkill for my needs.
I’ve been using the Osbourn EB 3 for over 20 years. It cracks me up that now all these “wannabes” are coming out with these “new” designs for miter gauges. Good video, thanks for sharing.
More competition….more options….more innovation. I’m just glad that woodworking is alive and well, so much so that companies find it profitable to make new things. The Osbourn was great for its time but there are way better options now.
Hi Marc, loving the mitre gauge shoot out, definitely have learned a lot from all this. Any chance you will review the Hongdui HD-MG21? I know Hooked on Wood really liked that one.
Up to this point, I've never needed the .1 degree feature, but I have the miter 5000 sled, and I have learned to live with the things I don't like about it. Doubtful I'd pay ~$450 for this, even with the "future mark" solution. The dial gauge is way cool, though. Dunno...maybe I'd buy this if I didn't have the Incra...but hard to say. It's a lot of money. Looks awesome though. Thanks for the review.
Just a though. Put some different colored paint on the face of the index wedges if you're going to have multiple in play at the same time to make it easier to know which is which!
I could see segmented woodturners loving the accuracy of the angle setting, but Sawstop should be embarrassed by the stop situation. The work-around will work, but it's still a work-around.
Hi Marc, excellent review, Followed your lead for the Incra 1000 & 5000 and have been very happy. Beat you to the SawStop PCS but only because you were held back. If I was making segmented blanks for the wife's lathe work that gauge would come in very handy. One question though, how would the "STOP" bolt work with a sacrificial fence, is it long enough for a 3/4" SF?
thank you for your reviews! you're right, what the internet needs from you is to be nitpicky. if we get bored we can skip the video.... if we just want to see the features while the presenter is creaming their pants over a (potentially mediocre) product, we can go to the typical manufacturer's 2 minute blurb
I’m a sucker for a well made tool. I have the JessEm so I think I’m good, but this looks awesome. I think they should tweak the stop a little bit IMHO.
19:05 ye, but what about using the micro adjuster then? Great review Marc, an awesome tool, but not for me. I have the incra 1000HD. Gathering dust somewhere in thte shop, because it doesn't fit my current table saw's mitre slots.... dangit...
I do not need that degree of angle accuracy. If I have to measure to a tenth of a degree then I either overthought my plans or something is wrong someplace else - and we all know 2 wrongs don't make a right. I agree with the comment by @TaylerMade. I once saw a Norm video where he made a beautiful trestle table.using a Craftsman radial arm saw with a wobble dado. It's not the tool, it's the skill of the user.
The increment dial and repeatable fence stop is the coolest thing I've seen in the last 31.35 hours. Only way it could be better is to replace TNG and Swiffer on the TV with maybe an ad from Wham-O, then my day would be whole.
I think having the degrees adjustable to the10ths is definitely nice for anyone doing segmented boxes or bowls. I don't do that personally, so I would just prefer very accurate detents at 45, 22.5, and 11.25 degrees for various miters that I do. That coupled with a vernier scale would be great. That being said, if someone was giving one away, I wouldn't say no... 😂
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They don’t ship to Australia which sucks
Found the most interesting tool from this video .. Klein Tools 935DAF Digital Angle Finder.
I’m interested in how you’ll feel about the Hongdui top tier miter gauge from Banggood. I think it may well be as good if not better than the American made ones you’ve seen. It’s a top tier piece of equipment.
as a retired furniture maker, i do like to look at all the fancy new tools on the market. to be honest i made a living as a one man shop doing commission pieces using the mitre gauge supplied by the saw manufacturer. was it perfect? by no means it was pretty rubbish. but that's what i had and i made it work for me. if you understand your tools and know how to compensate, you can make with anything. money i spent on tools i didn't really need, was money that didn't go on the table.
Exactly. However everyone now seem to be paid amateurs. No formal training and let's be honest, none of them on RUclips are actually doing WOODWORKING for a living they are doing filming and the tools are the product.
Great review, I’ve been in the market for a good miter gauge for a couple years now. I’ve watched your previous reviews and was hesitant to pull the trigger because of some of the concerns you expressed. I’m a sawstop owner and was really intrigued when they launched their miter gauges. The revolution miter gauge seemed to tick all the boxes. My philosophy when making the purchase was why spend $200 or $300 and question if I’d be happier with something else. Yeah I agree I may never need all the features this miter gauge has but they’re there waiting for me if I do need them one day. So I’m the guy that would rather spend $450 once than $200 three or four times to find the one I like. It’s a fantastic tool, I’m glad I bought it.
Marc, thanks. I must add something to the mix. A quality tool with fantastic features I may never use gives me a sense of security using the tool. That crazy .1 degree accuracy is beyond what I would use but that feature, in turn, makes me trust the angels I do use. For me the highest common denominator trickles down to trusting the tool at the lowest denominators. Maybe I am quirky but that is important to me and worth the dollars spent.
Valid point! In fact you put into words a reaction I often have with tools and the reason I found myself attracted to this gauge even though I have no use for those crazy detents.
In designing projection systems for my previous life, we started at 3 decimal places for all the parts and pieces of the final assembly. The goal was that in the end combined tolerances would result in the tenth of an inch precision we needed. Aim small miss small as they say.
That's exactly it. To me working with quality tools is a pleasure. I'm not a professional woodworker, I do this for fun. Using the best tools I can afford is a significant part of the experience. It's sad that so many people take offense at what other spend their money on. Pursue your own happiness y'all!
pshhhh 10ths of a degree, not nearly accurate enough for the bullshit Im building in the shop.
I bought this miter gauge with my sawstop. One thing that that really bugs me is they only include imperial measurements and no option for metric. I even called support to see if they have a metric option or tape measurement replacement, no luck. The tape measurement width is 15.75mm for anyone that can recommend a replacement.
As a turner, I could use the micro adjustability when cutting segments for multi segment ring construction. Pretty sweet!
I was going to say the same, glad i checked the comments!
This is my thought too! I don’t do a ton of segmented turning but it’s always a process to dial it in exactly for the segments. This would be a game changer
WoW! I was very hesitant to make the purchase, but the little dove tail set point is a game changer!!!!! Thank you for such a great review!!!!! It is definitely a gauge that is beyond my woodworking, but will be awesome to grow into!
Marc, you are pretty superior at this. Thank you for putting 100% into every video. I have never once gotten any hint that you were phoning it in. You rock - and you have helped me a great deal!
I got a demo of this at Rockler and the dude at Sawstop used the same system you used to get rid of deflection. Impressive Marc! I was awed by the accuracy of the angled cuts but it's not something I would ever need. Great review!
Thanks!
Except then you cannot use a sacrificial fence. I guess everything has trade offs.
@@MrWookie1981That does seem like a problem. Maybe then use a small quick clamp over the whole thing? Not a pretty solution, but the ergonomics could use some work anyway on most of these. All the settings do seem quite slow to use too here.
@@MrWookie1981seems like you can if you route a dovetail into the face of the sacrificial piece?
@@3weightAnd that would take some experimenting as it's not as simple as using matchfit's stuff...
Marc, great video and a fantastic review! I really do need to thank SawStop for coming out with this miter gauge. It is an engineering marvel in spectacular fashion.
It makes me feel SO much better about my decision to go with my Jessem Mite-R-Excel II gauge. With this one out there, I no longer have to feel guilty about purchasing the most expensive miter gauge ever produced! Thanks for that, Sawstop! You're the best!
Honestly, the stop is a total deal breaker for me along with the scale.
There was a saying in sniper training that corresponds to accuracy which states "Aim small, miss Small." which applies to woodworking with tight tolerances as well.
However, at some point, you are "chasing zeros" when your resolution of error gets smaller than the rigidity of the material. This becomes the tipping point of futility and will result in throwing away both time and money to achieve something that frankly won't even exist long enough to get the project out of the shop.
I was questioning myself on that very point when I decided on the Jessem miter gauge, but have now confirmed my choice with the advent of this new product from Sawstop.
Not only is this thing cool as all get-out, but it looks like an absolutely over engineered time and money killer.
I'm all about precision and accuracy in woodworking, and tend to work to the 0.001" resolution, but truly expect to only hit a 0.01" final result. If I get that accuracy, I know I've done a good job.
This gauge will not make it into my shop, but I thank Sawstop for building it.
Marc...excellent review and I always value your transparency and honest.....and humor too.
Remember...Crazy Eddie...His prices are Insane...
I'm not following the description the track snugger mechanism. You can't force those steel guides out by tightening down an O-ring. I think what's happening is the O-ring is acting like a spring. The guide bushing location is machined so that the bushing is going to be proud of the track width by default. When the screw is loose, and you push the miter gauge into the slot, the rubber O-ring acts like a spring and compresses, and allows the guide bushing to move inward to accommodate the width of the slot. This lets it essentially auto-adjust to the width of any miter slot. When you tighten the screw, you are merely locking it into position. This is similar to the Woodpecker spring auto-adjust mechanism, but better because you can lock it in place.
Regarding the thumb screw to lock in the flip stop, that will definitely keep it secure, but you lose convenience. It's no longer a quick flip stop, and it won't work with a sacrificial fence unless you build in a similar dovetail or locking mechanism.
I think SawStop whiffed on that flip stop design. The rest looks excellent.
I love these tool reviews that you do and much respect to you for paying for them out of your own pocket. Be careful when you plug into the amplifier, there’s a slight chance of an overload.
the dovetail slots seems like by design so that you can continue to use those sliding dovetail nuts in a sacrificial fence (provided you route in a dovetail slot) in order to prevent deflection. Very well thought out.
I finally splurged on the Hongdui one a few months ago as a replacement for my old Incra 1000se because I really don't like the "toothed" not-a-slider on their fence, hate almost cutting my fingers on their strangely sharp plastic knobs, and never could trust the measurements because that little ruler insert slips around too much. It doesn't have a vernier scale, but I rarely cut strange angles and I like how easy it is to set the ruler marks and end stop to zero against the blade (in both imperial and metric). The extension is also really nice. And as a splurge, I think it's definitely the best-looking option on the market.
The articulated arm is genius.
Here's a DIY stop tip courtesy of Nick Engler. If your screw thread is 10-32, then you can easily dial to a 128th of an inch or less. A 128th would be a 1/4 turn. 1/8th of a turn would be 1/256. If your threaded piece is a flat head screw with a slot for a flat screwdriver, you have a visual guide for how much you have turned the thing.
Can't find a threaded insert that 10-32 size? Take a long enough 10-32 piece of all-thread, and cut a couple grooves in the side a couple of inches long at the end. I used my dremel type tool with a thin cutoff wheel.
You now have a tap suitable for wood.
Chuck it in your drill and run it in and out of the wood a few times.
I notice the Sawstop stop has a rounded bottom. Pretty sweet IMO, no dust messing the cut up, and looks good too.
I strive for machine shop accuracy in my woodworking. Will not attain it, but this approach has increased quality. Agree 100% with your assessment. That stop is a non-starter. Maybe you could do a collab with Mathias. Send him all those miter gauges and have him build the Homer Simpson car of miter gauges. I have an Incra and bought the Jessem after your video came out. Didn't know about the Jessem previously and it is a stout unit. You feel the quality when you pick it up, and that giant knurled knob..... Need I say more?
I noticed that when you did the little addendum at the end about how to lock the miter stop down, you didn’t mention that it won’t work on the extended fence. So it’ll only work for shorter pieces…so, it’s only a half fix.
Good review!
To be fair on that though, he's comparing it to something that doesn't have its real stop work on the extended fence either. So that seems like a wash.
Is that knob screw thing long enough to go through a sacrificial fence and tighten and remain in the stop block or does it only work with the metal fence? If it can’t work with a sacrificial fence that could be another set back.
You'd probably need to make a sacrificial fence with a slot to reveal the original sliding block or you could route your own dovetailed slot to slip in the blocks. Either way, a little more work than we'd wish but possible.
Thanks for spending the bucks to test this miter gauge. I have an INCRA gauge and feel that it's overkill in the available angle settings. I seldom change angles and the cool factor on this one doesn't justify the expense in my opinion.
Hey Mark thank you for your awesome and honest review , coming from Europe we used to be very conservative on prices of our tools and only spend the money on good tool that will serve you for many years is ok and coming from that point I think this is a investment in your business and will make you money down the road if you are in fine woodworking world , I think that's an awesome tool and will be used alot considering we spent alot on festools as dominoes that actually cover only maybe 10% of a woodworking project and most of it it's cutting and dising , and that's when you get your opportunity to shine with the precision , personality i don't think it's overpriced all tho we are on a budget, thank you again for taking the time and making these awesome videos
Great video! Thanks for the review. I'm so glad I watched the whole thing. Your solution at the 18 minute mark read my mind.
Nice to see you aligning the miter gauge's fence directly to its bar with a square at 2:00 in. That's the easiest and most accurate way.
Im glad you mentioned the fix for deflection, I was thinking the exact same thing when you showed how much the stop had, I also thought of the JKM stop (which I currently use and love). I use my crosscut sled more than anything and don't really have a need for a miter guage, unless I'm doing woodworking all wrong...lol. but with that said, I think I'd invest in this sawstop if I was in the market, so thank you so much for spending your own money to review this stuff for all of us.
A couple of issues with this method for securing the stop - 1. you can't access the micro adjust easily 2. You need to cut a matching dovetail in any sacrificial fence. Other than that, it is an option still
This was very helpful. One thing I’d like manufacturers to consider is making alternative bars for their gauges designed to work in slots of larger, industrial saws. Small market, for sure! But potentially prestigious?
When I first saw the knob you use on the stop I just assumed that was what it was used for until you showed it adjusting the dovetail nuts. Looks like a nice gauge, especially since I am still using the one that came with my Sawstop saw.
Wow, nice to see some innovation in this space rather than just trying to outdo the shiny! The dial feedback and the indexing feature are super sweet as well.
Excellent and informative, as always. I don't think I would ever need that degree of accuracy, but there are features about this gauge that can cause one to salivate.
Great review Marc! My Incra Miter 1000 has become one of the loves of my life and I highly recommend it for accuracy (and price).
I'll be honest with you.....I never gave it a thought to display my SawStop brake and blade on my wall for everyone to see. You got guts to go along with your Giddy! (I love it when you get "giddy"). Keep up the great work.
Displaying the blade and brake on the wall sort of fits into Mark's goofiness. FYI Mark's goofiness is one of the reasons I keep coming back for more.
With regard to the micro adjust, Nick Engler for years has pointed out that a screw with a 10-32 thread can make an excellent micro adjust. Take a chunk of wood (or aluminum, etc), drill and tap a hole for a 10-32 thread screw and thread the screw in the hole. You want to advance or retract 1/32"? That is 1 full turn. 1/128"? One quarter turn. 1/256"? 1/8 turn. Less than that? Blow on it, I guess.
Now all you have to come up with is a mechanism to hold the block of material.
Jonathan Katz-Moses, are you listening?
@@jimweisgram9185 You gotta love Nick's "keep it simple, stupid" approach. No one can spin a hammer in the air like Nick. 🔨
This was very amazing Marc. I think I your solution loosening up the two set screws and utilizing just the center hole will make it more attractive to buyers, who’ve seen this that is. Like you I probably don’t need anything this accurate with what’s been covered here previously. Excellent video, perhaps SS will modify the stop so as to do away with the 1/64 adjustment.
You asked why anyone would need .1 degree accuracy. Segmented wood turners use angles that go down to .1 degrees to cut segments. If the angle isn't accurate the segments do not fit together to form a ring. For people that work with staves or tapered polygons to form multisided vessels or boxes, accuracy down to .01 degree or better is needed.
These videos are interesting, and I always learn something. Would love to see reviews of some less expensive miter gauges such as Incra V27, Powertec, Wnew, etc. Would also appreciate reviews of third party flip stops with micro adjustment, and the new Milescraft track for circular saws.
Thanks for everything. Take care and stay safe!
I was about to say the deflection in the stop would be a dealbreaker, but tightening it down with the hand screw seems more than acceptable. So now, I'll just complain about the price. I already have the Incra 1000SE based on your review of it.
I thought so too, until I wondered how it would work on the supplemental fence that it would hang over( the whole purpose of the hinge mechanism. )
Given the amount of engineering that clearly went into this, I would assume that your fix for the stop slop was the intended design, and it just didn't get documented in the handbook.
LOL The woodworking side of me enjoyed the video, but the day job accountant in me loved the Crazy Eddie shirt!
Seems like a great miter gauge and while that stop seems fancy it also feels like a big miss. The deflection is bad, the joints probably aren't very stable and the micro adjustment seems horrible. That all being said I don't really use micro adjustments and the rest of the tool seems to make up for those parts not being great.
Just feels bad to pay that much and get a stop I'd likely end up replacing
18:12 that's exactly what I was thinking when you first take out the knob tool and sliders.
Your solution to lock down the stop only works if you don't use a sacrificial fence. I use my miter guage for my accurate cuts and without a sacrificial fence, you can have tear out. Cutting the last cut on a piece you have milled down and are almost ready to assemble and then blowing out the back side is no bueno. I think I will stick with my Jessum. It makes me smile.
Great mod for the Stop Slop. I currently use the gauge that came with my SawStop, using an attached oak wood fence that has T-Track along the top edge, and a sliding metal flip-stop which has no movement once locked down. It is only the vernier precision of your tested model that I am Lacking, but I don't need it.
I have the Incra 1000HD, and while I don't use tenths of degrees, I do use several odd integer degrees making wacky half-lap joints for "kumiko style" patterns. This is all the miter gauge I'll ever need. What I might spring for is a gauge where the ruler was as accurate as the table saw fence ruler, and didn't get trashed every time I move the miter bar.
Looks good. Your quick fix of the stop slop was great!
So when Saw Stop makes a few changes as you pointed out you will then have the absolute perfect miter gauge. However it will probably end up costing way more. I AM surprised that they made so many great features yet so poor on a few others. All of this is great if you ever needed to cut some weird angles like 19 and a half degrees. When was the last time you needed to cut that weird of an angle or any other for that matter. This is starting to become the accuracy of metal cutting equipment. Like one of your viewers said. You make what you have work. I’m a retired toolmaker of over 50 years. I used to grind snap gauges for the government to a tolerance of +/- .0002 on a crappy surface grinder. However it sure would have been great having a top of the line machine I’ll admit. All boils down to just what do you really need. Nice video though young man 🤙🏻
This may be a dumb idea, but can you put the Jessum or Harvey fence on the SawStop miter bar? That way you get the fence you are used to and the new dial.
Since you asked, Mark... I use a tablesaw and miter gauge to cut the heels of guitar necks so that the neck join the body at the correct angle to keep the guitar's geometry spot on. This needs to be done with a resolution of .1 degree (or better). Would that post-space age miter gauge make my life easier? Probably yes. However since its an operation that I do maybe a dozen or so time a year a little time fussing with my cheap miter gauge is worth the cost savings.
Marc, thank you. I can see an application for that kind of crazy accuracy on the angles. I do quite a bit of turning, and if i was really into segmented turning, this would be the next greatest thing since sliced bread.
your solution for the slop in the flip stop is pretty good, obviously..but for me, I cut both ends of my pieces at the table saw.. I would essentially have to flip the stop up, cut one end, flip the stop down, install the face bolt and repeat each time.. the angle adjustment is crazy though. But I'll stick with my incra 1000hd and incra crosscut sled!
I have a Robert Lang Billiard Chair in which the front legs are 25 inches apart and the back legs are 24 inches apart. He indicated there was a 91.6° on the tenons on the rails front to back. This is common for legs to be offset on chairs. I doing it by making a full scale drawing of the foot print and using that as a guide. Still haven't purchased.
Great video! I’ve been looking at this miter gauge for a while and tried it at Woodcraft. I’ve been watching your videos for years and immensely enjoy them. I’m am mostly a wood turner and believe I may purchase this miter gauge for my segmented turning. I have the PCS saw stop and the stock miter gauge which I’ve been wanting to change out. Thanks again for the review and your informational videos. Cheers! -Speros
Exactly my thoughts. I am a nerd who likes the idea of the precision on its own but am thinking this gauge is ideal for segmented turning. I purchased the MiterSet setup blocks to accomplish this, but I love that you can get everything with one device that has a lot of other uses as well. It would have been something to think about instead of the double purchases of upgraded miter gauge and MiterSet blocks combined. Also, I've watched a number of your videos over the years Speros. Well done!
@@tonyblanco305 Thanks Tony, appreciate it. I believe this Saw Stop miter gauge would be perfect for segmented turning, it’s all you would need another than the needed angles. lol I believe I am going to go for it and use the link to give him a little cash as well. Help out the follow woodworkers that I enjoy watching.
Mark there is no way I would spend that kind of money for something that is light years ahead of my needs. But! The technology and super accuracy of the Saw Stop Miter Gauge is beyond anything I've ever seen. Thanks for the review, even if I can't use the product. I can only hope that some of the technology in its accuracy trickles down to less expensive miter gauges. This was an informative and useful review. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! Another great review! I love playing with the one at our Woodcraft store, but it won’t make me replace my INCRA 5000.
The fact that it's actually MORE expensive than the 5000 is kinda insane.
Just last week I pulled the trigger on the JessEm Mite-R-Excel II with Micro Adjuster miter gauge. Then I saw this video and though that I just might have buyer's remorse. It wasn't until you demonstrated the micro adjustment feature that convinced me I made the right choice! I feel that this feature on the SawStop is poorly designed IMO. Sure, you solved the deflection issue, but it looks like no matter how you slice it, that adjust will be somewhat of an inconvenience ( especially if you need to jump back and forth between micro adjusting and securing the stop with the knob.. no thanks... though I really do like the angle adjuster - but given my hobby, I don't think I would need that fine tuned control to be honest. In either case, thanks for this video! Very informative! But as for me, I'll just wait for my JessEm to arrive. I know I will be happy with it!
Thanks for the review Marc. I have a Jessem miter gauge already but as I use three table saws I’m always looking for new and improved tools. I’ll give it some thought but I sure like my Jessem. Have a great day.
Putting the screw into the stop block may eliminate the deflection, but it also would make it very difficult to use the microadjustment mechanism..
In addition, you wouldn't be able to use the screw in the stop block if you need to have a sacrificial fence.
Informative and humorous as always. Thank you for the great review.
If they could incorporate the angle adjustment mechanism in the sliding crosscut table...that would be amazing!
Great review Marc! Like so many others I could never justify spending this kind of money for a miter gauge, even though it has so many great features. However I can see how it would be well worth the expense for someone who does production work where precise, repeatable, angles are needed (a custom cabinet shop comes to mind). I can also see advantages for home builders and remodelers who need to make trim to fit some funky inside or outside corner angles. As for me, I will never need this kind of accuracy.
RE: the obvious alternative you spoke about - Incra... I have the Incra HD and I love it. However, the pivot bolt and bushing DO wear, and I've replaced them a couple of times. Always fixes the slop, but they don't last as long as I'd like.
As some have noted, you can’t lock down the stop when you use the extension for longer cuts. I was thinking one could make a sacrificial fence that I long enough and route a dovetail at the same location/height off of the table as the dovetail groove in the fence itself and just put the little dovetail locky thingies in the dovetail groove in the sacrificial fence. Maybe content for a follow-up video?
I was watching your review on the Harvey gauge 30 minutes ago! I have been shopping around for my first real miter gauge. This one is overkill for me but if you’re doing a give away, I’ll throw my hat in the ring! Always great reviews!
I ended up getting the Hongdui HD-MG21 based on the review of Dennis at Hooked on Wood. I have to say it is a very quality gauge with accuracy equal to that of the JessEm 1000HD and I am very happy with my purchase.
I designed a segmented arching truss for my green house build. Because there are 10 segments to the design and zero internal structure, each gusset needed to be accurate to, ideally, less than a 1/10 of a degree, otherwise the truss span could be off by more than a foot.
I ended up creating a a jig that took hours to get correct. Had to use Trig and accurately calibrate the lengths of the sides of the triangles instead of directly cutting the angle like you could with a very accurate miter gage.
If I owned a top SawStop cab saw I’d probably be in a financial position to acquire this new and fairly improved gauge and I kinda like having matching factory components. Whether the accuracy would be beneficial I’m not sure. So a purchase of this magnitude would probably be somewhat subjective. Typically I don’t buy expensive accessories until they have been out in the community for some time, undergoing any revisions. I know guys who got burnt on the earlier Harvey gauges or even JessUm’s first generation all inclusive speed controlled router (for example). Their new one is revolutionary - point being, don’t rush in. My woodworking buddies all seem happy with the various models of the Incra gauge. Personally I prefer sleds and my own jigs specifically designed for tasks I do commonly. That being said, I love these reviews for the forthrightness afforded to fellow woodworking enthusiasts whose dollars value certainly needs careful consideration as the hobby and prosumers folks are more challenged every day with costs.
Mark thank you for your review on Saw Stop miter gage. Have you ever considered testing out Woodpeckers auto scale miter sled. If you look back a few years this is a much better improvement of Jentech's miter sled. Thank you, Bob
Don't know if you guys can get hold of the Hongdui mitre saw and fence from Banggood over there but i think that should be on your list
To clarify, 1/10th of a degree is actually the resolution of the angle adjuster, not its accuracy. Accuracy would be how much deviation (error) the miter gauge has from a given setting. Based on your measurements with the Klein angle finder, it is difficult to say what the accuracy of the Saw Stop miter gauge is. Klien specifies the accuracy of their angle finder as ±0.2 degrees, so I would bet the Saw Stop miter gauge is more accurate than the Klien angle finder... You might want to upgrade to a Mitutoyo 187-552 (±0.03 degrees max error) to verify accuracies this tight.
Send it to me and I'll let you know. I don't own a sawstop so they will never make a dime off me. lol I have an Incra 1000SE and am very happy with that. I don't see myself every spending that much for a miter saw when I only have a Dewalt 10 inch contractor saw. And this miter gauge costs almost as much as the saw. I only have a one care garage for a shop so a giant cabinet saw just won't fit. As you said it's over kill...
Great review. Love the shirt. Brings back memories.
Very Impressive! While this level of accuracy is not needed in my shop. It does become a want instead of a need. I do believe the simplicity of use, could speed up production in my shop. Which could help justify the cost. However, the cost is the real problem for me compared to other ones on the market. This would probably be CryOnce Buy Once purchase for me. Thanks for giving me something to think about Marc! 😃👊
Before I got my Incra Miter 1000, I used strips of blue tape to make minor adjustments to the cut's angle (and I NAILED it). After I got my Incra Miter 1000, I've been gobsmacked by how accurate it is: I want 30°? I've got it. 45°? Done. It's just wonderful. My one observation from your review is that your solution to the stop problem prevents you from using a sacrificial back, right? Or have you developed a workaround?
on future models, if they added a second lane just for the knob to twist and hold then it would still allow you to have those other stops bolted in when you want them for repeat cuts
I’d love to see you do the two woodpecker ones. Stealth stop and the auto scale sled. I love your honest reviews 👍🙌🤘
Excellent review, Marc! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Well lets hope there will be a sale someday. It looks nice and would match the table saw. We all know how important that is.
I recently built an octagon poker table. An error in the length of each side or angles is obviously multiplied when joing 8 pieces in a “circle”. This definitely would have made that process easier.
It might be a little expensive relative to the competition. However, I see value here than in a $500 RO sander, and I own several of those.
im glad your finally getting some Sawstop swag
Rewatching these miter reviews; just got a pair of Laguna F3 saws and the miters that come with them are... fine... but looking for better. I think at this point, it's coming down to the Jessem, or more likely - just expanding my stock of Incra stuff, and going with the 1000 SE again, OR... the V27(?) and making my own fence. I don't love Incra's fences.
I own at least 3 of the top 6 miter gauges and you had me at the part about setting multiple repeatable cuts! I’d buy it just for that…
Nice tool but seems like only a Saw Stop owner would buy it at that price point. Great review, dood.
That oval segmented ring on the guitar amp I made would have been a perfect application for 10th degree adjustability
Hi Brian!
@@gregmize01 hi Greg!
Best part was the riff on fart in the elevator. Seriously though, great review thank you
I walked into Rockler and bought the Incra 1000SE after watching the big miter gauge shootout a few weeks ago. The Rockler employee then showed me this miter gauge and I was like, I would never need that much detail or precision at my level, since my table saw IS the dewalt feature in this video. Also, I've yet to step out of the pine/poplar world of wood :/
Nice miter fence, and great review, Marc. Question for you, or anyone who's played with this in real life: at the ~ 15:00 point, we can see the interface mechanism for the angle adjustment. I'm assuming none of that is plastic... right? If it happens to be, just how long will that .1 degree stuff last? And, if it's aluminum, kind of same question. This question gets after the whole "bulletproof vs. cost" issue Marc hit on very well.
I could see someone needing that accuracy if they needed to cut mitre’s into existing corners often. Chopsaws generally aren’t that great at that. I’m definitely interested in this one whenever I might could afford it, but it is definitely overkill for my needs.
What that dial wood do is make it easier for woodturners to do crazy accurate angles on glue ups for turning blanks
I’ve been using the Osbourn EB 3 for over 20 years. It cracks me up that now all these “wannabes” are coming out with these “new” designs for miter gauges. Good video, thanks for sharing.
More competition….more options….more innovation. I’m just glad that woodworking is alive and well, so much so that companies find it profitable to make new things. The Osbourn was great for its time but there are way better options now.
I would like to see you make some angle cuts and check to angles to see how accurate the micro detent dial is.
Hi Marc, loving the mitre gauge shoot out, definitely have learned a lot from all this. Any chance you will review the Hongdui HD-MG21? I know Hooked on Wood really liked that one.
Up to this point, I've never needed the .1 degree feature, but I have the miter 5000 sled, and I have learned to live with the things I don't like about it. Doubtful I'd pay ~$450 for this, even with the "future mark" solution. The dial gauge is way cool, though. Dunno...maybe I'd buy this if I didn't have the Incra...but hard to say. It's a lot of money. Looks awesome though. Thanks for the review.
Just got a Jess em not worked it much but so far love it , makes me happy to be Canadian 😎😎
Great review Marc, the stop turned out to be better than ok nice! Thanks for the laughs too!
You bet
Just a though. Put some different colored paint on the face of the index wedges if you're going to have multiple in play at the same time to make it easier to know which is which!
I could see segmented woodturners loving the accuracy of the angle setting, but Sawstop should be embarrassed by the stop situation. The work-around will work, but it's still a work-around.
Hi Marc, excellent review, Followed your lead for the Incra 1000 & 5000 and have been very happy. Beat you to the SawStop PCS but only because you were held back. If I was making segmented blanks for the wife's lathe work that gauge would come in very handy. One question though, how would the "STOP" bolt work with a sacrificial fence, is it long enough for a 3/4" SF?
Don’t think it’s long enough. But I would just route a dovetail slot into the sacrificial fence.
thank you for your reviews! you're right, what the internet needs from you is to be nitpicky. if we get bored we can skip the video.... if we just want to see the features while the presenter is creaming their pants over a (potentially mediocre) product, we can go to the typical manufacturer's 2 minute blurb
I’m a sucker for a well made tool. I have the JessEm so I think I’m good, but this looks awesome. I think they should tweak the stop a little bit IMHO.
19:05 ye, but what about using the micro adjuster then?
Great review Marc, an awesome tool, but not for me. I have the incra 1000HD. Gathering dust somewhere in thte shop, because it doesn't fit my current table saw's mitre slots.... dangit...
Great review as usual, nice that you found a solution to the stop, sawstop needs to think about adding that in their instructions
Definitely not a perfect solution and it essentially highlights a flaw. So I’m guessing that’s why they don’t reference it. 🤷🏻♂️
@@woodwhisperer And takes away the ability to use a sacrificial fence.
@@MrWookie1981not if you route a dovetail in it.
@@woodwhisperer So now I need to buy a router and dovetail bit to use my miter gauge? I know I am being ridiculous but so is the price of this.
@@MrWookie1981😏 not hurting my feelings. I present info and you make the decisions.
I do not need that degree of angle accuracy. If I have to measure to a tenth of a degree then I either overthought my plans or something is wrong someplace else - and we all know 2 wrongs don't make a right. I agree with the comment by @TaylerMade. I once saw a Norm video where he made a beautiful trestle table.using a Craftsman radial arm saw with a wobble dado. It's not the tool, it's the skill of the user.
The increment dial and repeatable fence stop is the coolest thing I've seen in the last 31.35 hours. Only way it could be better is to replace TNG and Swiffer on the TV with maybe an ad from Wham-O, then my day would be whole.
the unintentional ads were.....unfortunate lol
@@woodwhisperer Such is the world we live in, but I still want some Wham-O.
I think having the degrees adjustable to the10ths is definitely nice for anyone doing segmented boxes or bowls. I don't do that personally, so I would just prefer very accurate detents at 45, 22.5, and 11.25 degrees for various miters that I do. That coupled with a vernier scale would be great.
That being said, if someone was giving one away, I wouldn't say no... 😂