Aztec invasion?... What's the timeline ....my first thought was drought...then I thought of the Aztecs....but hunger will drive you to do that...The Donner Party!!! Just thinking
Eric Underwood, there are carvings of feet with six toes in Chaco canyon. Canaanite descendants were worshipped as gods, good chance this was all in ceremony.
Eric Underwood Exactly. That’s just the way history works. Pretty much all cultures have done awful things to each other at some point throughout their history.
Too right really, pretty much [near literally] every culture and race has cannibalism documented at some point of their history. What they are 'protecting' is cowardice on their behalf and those who think they are responsible for their ancestors actions.
If you're a Scientist - *"Scientists who research or report on it, seek the answers - facts - wherever they fall - wherever they lead - One does not research merely to prove their opinion"* Mass misinformation can mislead the masses.
*Servals I concur with you 100%. Facts don't care about our feelings. I suspect that gentleman @ 21 min. 26 sec. is a typical American Career Democrat.*
As part Native, please don't let the truth die. It is the past regardless of how vile we see it today. The actions of the past should not be judged by today's standards.
People will resort to cannibalism, regardless if it's in their culture or not, when in a dire starvation situation. This has been seen in all eras of mankind. Who are we to judge?
No one is saying that, many Americans have some type of Native American ancestry, that was the past ,we can't judge people today for their ancestors actions!
I agree completely with Louis L'Amour "A mistake constantly made by those who should know better is to judge people of the past by our standards rather than their own. The only way men or women can be judged is against the canvas of their own time". Louis L'Amour
That is the heart of the truth , this current “woke “ ideology is very destructive because without history being portrayed as it was , the same events will repeat themself . Humans who think they are righting wrongs by tearing statues down, rewriting books to a history of their ideals is not looking good for the future generations . Every culture , ethnicity, every group of human beings have bad and good in their history ….. you can’t change the past to make it right , learning the history and the where and why and changing the here & now. We don’t understand or face , what past generations faced.
Met Louie in a outdoor store in Durango many year ago. Didn't know who he was until the clerk told me. He picked out a backpacking fishing pole for me, which I still have. Many fish caught with that pole and eaten. Thanked him and told him I enjoyed his books.
@@stevenrubisch629yes! One of the Navajo teachers (? Sorry for my naivety) that I’ve seen on RUclips mentions this. They were destroyed completely because the Holy People ensured it was so. Really intriguing stuff!!
Cannibalism was common for many different cultures. My people (Polynesians) were Cannibals until only about 170 years ago. Specifically in Tonga where my parents are from. Love and respect to my native brothers and sisters. 💯✊🏾 Your Tongan friend from Provo Utah
@Unga, When I was at BYU, I and a Hawaiian friend put on a ward dinner by cooking a pig polynesian style in the ground using hot rocks. He said that when Polynesians cooked humans they called them 'long pig'.
I’m Aztec and in the end this documentary completely blamed all the horrors and cannibalism on my people. I’m also not at all offended. If there is clear proof that Aztec peoples moved to the area and did this, then it is what it is. This was 800 years ago! Political correctness has no place in history!
Shadow Broker.. Cannibalism existed all over the world. It was the practice then. Perhaps the brain was not yet fully developed. Even in relatively recent times, cannibalism was still being practiced by tribes in the Far East rainforests. They knew no better. When we think of Ancient Rome, look at the heinous atrocities that were being committed even then. Throwing human beings to the lions was just as cannibalistic, or burning people at stake, etc. .. in a different way. The Anasazi existed way earlier. No one is condoning it; but, to reiterate, their brains were probably not as highly developed. Let's say the Anasazis knew no better.
So as an Aztec, have u not heard any of the stories told like these about ur people? Bc at least in the West are the Aztecs infamous for human and baby sacrifice and cannibalism, be it true or not. What are the stories ur told about ur people’s history?
You are wrong our history is a lie and much is lying in the basement of the Vatican..papal inquisition destroyed millions to bring in Christianity and included natives of other countries..they wiped out or tried to eliminate the history of the Tartarian Empire.
I Am Native American and extreme environments and extreme weather and extreme conditions and circumstances come together it is not at all impossible to see what happened! Just think of the plane crash in the mountains and what those people did with the dead to stay alive!
Im not entirely convinced that it was the Anazasi that were doing the cannibalising. It doesnt make sense for them to go along for generations peacefully and then suddenly start consuming each other. Either they were victims of interlopers, maybe illness of some kind. Other tribes have the windego folklore, which revolves around cannibalism. Obviously, this isnt isolated solely to this tribe. My point is: there was a catalyat event that caused this event to happen.
Wally Brown, Navajo historian, has a lot to say about this topic. According to Dineh (Navajo) oral history, the Anasazi left no descendants. Instead, they were eradicated by the ancestors of the cliff dwelling tribes and the puebloan tribes, whom they had enslaved and victimized (cannabalized?) for three centuries. Brown says the puebloans and cliff dwellers were present when the Dineh migrated into the Southwest. The Anasazi came later from the south. They were violent and oppressive, practiced human sacrifice and possibly cannibalism. These practices horrified the original inhabitants. Eventually, the victimized tribes turned on the Anasazi and wiped them out. Brown’s oral history is fascinating and presents a completely new way of viewing the history of the region. According to the Dineh, modern puebloan tribes are not descended from the cannibal Anasazi, but from the heroic survivors of their victims. Worth a listen: ruclips.net/video/JIKLnZoOtR4/видео.html
This is why it is critically important to listen carefully to the oral histories of people whose ancestors were present during these times. Instead, too many archeologists poo-poo these stories as idle myths and tall tales told around a campfire.
As a Navajo myself who grew up on the reservation I remember stories of the Anasazi, I was told that they were part of a certain people who came up from south america who set up these places as mass trading sites. There are stories of them taking our navajo people as slaves and it was a drought that caused their trade network to fail causing their ultimate downfall...perhaps thats what drove them to cannibalism toward their end...
There’s proof that the stories you heard are true. I believe it’s actually this particular Anasazi ruins that this man is at where they found colorful feathers from birds only found in Central/South America as well as a blue paint made from an algae found only in Mexico (somewhere in the Yucatán if I remember correctly). Scientists/archeologists seem to agree and believe it likely was used, at least in part, as a trading post between people from the south (Mexico as well as central and south America) and the Anasazi people… and probably other native Americans as well. Although other people came through it doesn’t seem like there was a mixture of peoples actually living there though, the domiciles seem to only (or at least primarily) have been used by the Anasazi.
did you mis’ coral&agate(fossil wood) . polynesia was want of Sacrificial lives also... these as mixtec olmec etc are southern tribes tho’ their influence was surely felt here in the N. American lands..
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
Can't help but admire the courage of the scientists and the filmmakers. This is what true science and objective media should be about - the fact finding. Bravo!
They did not eat people. Some of us know our history. My great great grandmother was Indigenous black creek Indian and the slave master daughter. They were already writing "white man lies" before she died over 60 years ago.
Sorry but facts don’t care about feelings, science is the truth and always will be. If they get offended oh well, we must understand our history, be acceptable every truth. Not pick and choose if it’s real or not.
This confirms the stories of the Diné (Navaho) historian Wally Brown about the Anasazi. The Diné name for the Chaco Canyon ruins is "Place of Weeping and Wailing".
Anazasi were not peaceful, they were the ones who ate other Relatives. Please never lie about Grandfather. And never learn from Caucasians, there is no truth in his theories.
I wasted 23 minutes on this and saw no evidence of who or what was eating who. Also the dating is complete speculation. Americans have no problem with torturing and murdering men woman and children. What do catholics do to the body of christ every Sunday.
I watch him also. He telling of his people eradicating them for their evil still makes me think how bad they must have been. Maybe the makers of these shows should talk to the native elders.
Exactly, sciencific topics shouldn't be explored just because it may hurt some people feeling. Facts doesn't care about feeling, if there enough evidence to prove this then it's true even though it doesn't agree with your feeling.
My grandmother was a native woman. She died at over 105 years of age and she told my siblings and I about old rituals that our ancestors committed.....and yes cannibalism was a part of that. Why that one guy is so sensative about that subject.....riddles me. Maybe he has never spoken honestly to one of his elders, or asked the proper questions to his elders. Maybe he didn't pay attention to his elders teachings.
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
It wasn't just natives who practiced these rituals, but also certain African tribes and even certain tribes in Britain or other parts of Europe. It's not a racial subject, but a human subject.
When I first arrived at archaeology camp a few years ago they were boiling a bunny that had drowned in one of the units to use its bones for science. I learned a lot there.
I am navajo, and I was told old stories that Anasazis were cannibals, and that I am surprised that a scientist found out by looking at the bones, crazy!
Yeah I have heard those stories and I am not even native. The brutality, the slaves both for labor and for trade, the cannibalism, human sacrifice while the victims were still alive. These are meso-American practices, and I suspect the Anasazis, who reportedly came from the south, were a wave of renegade Aztec.
It amazes me that people think what their ancestor did 800 years ago has any moral meaning to who they are today. Almost everywhere in the world at some point in the past cannibalism occurred.
But people will find what they want to find. I think it's like Neanderthal man which to me never existed as it is a fraud. Yet the 23andMe actual believe in this myth.
Well, it does say something about what people will do when hungry, or when a culture's food supply proves inadequate to the nutritional needs of its people. I don't know how much precipitation the region had centuries ago, but it doesn't appear to be a landscape infertile for farming or fishing or even largescale hunting. The plains Indians had buffalo. ... But as I continue to watch, I learn of other factors, other influences, for the hunger hypothesis doesn't hold much broth, so to speak.
I'll just add to your comment since you've basically said what I thought. Proof of cannibalism in the past isn't dehumanizing. It's humanizing. It's something that has happened in the past countless times. For today's native Americans to say it's impossible because their stories don't mention it is to claim they are above all other humans. They aren't. They're just like all the other humans in history. And news flash... it doesn't have to be due to starvation. Many human cultures in history didn't see other human tribes as human beings. It can in fact be a hint of a horrible human society... of which history is littered.
Yes most of modern human, of all race, have genetic adaptation to cannibalism. Most of human are immune or resistant to prion disease thank to our ancestor who eat the brain of our enemy or grandparent
Why is human sacrifice (on a grand scale) accepted as part of ancient Aztec culture (including drinking human blood), but the very real possibility of something similar happening in the Anasazi culture is completely unthinkable. Its probably because the Aztecs had a form of written language that physically showed them carrying out such acts. Kinda hard to deny. The fact is that many human cultures engaged in acts that we today find horrid, but they considered normal. You can't (and shouldn't) judge an ancient culture by our modern standards.
I agree J smith and how does saying the ancient Anasazi were cannibals demean and dehumanize modern Hopi Native Americans? its like saying that modern Scandinavians are sub human BC of what the vikings did, or that the modern Polynesians are demeaned and dehumanized BC of their ancestors or Modern Caucasians are characterized for what all our different and diverse ancestors did! There are horrible things that every ethnicity has done in their racial past... can't we recognize what happened in the past without people feeling offended by it
If by "horrid" you mean cannibalism, then it happens not exclusively in ancient times. In times of hardship almost all races are known to resort to cannibalism. It is documented to have happened during European dark ages. And it happened as recently as the 1970's during the communist era in Asia. It's really not as horrid as some people think.
because it's cannabalism, it's sort of another level of immorality but beyond that it's because this is new information which is shocking not the saying that it's worse then other groups. But yeah cannabalism tends to be much darker to most people.... and eating flesh vs drinking blood is different as well to many people. There's rituals worldwide of drinking some blood easpecially in folk medicines.
Isn't there a difference between between attaining sustenance from the consumption of human flesh and ceremonial ritual human sacrifice as performed by the Aztecs, among whom only the priests covered their bodies in sacrificial blood?
Yeah, as if you should believe someone who heard from someone who then heard it from someone else who also heard it from someone, instead of listening to a scientist who actually looks at the evidence and only then makes up their mind
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
When I was young, back in the early 70's I got a chance to go to Mesa Verde...and I was astounded at the cliff dwellings and became entranced with the beauty of the place and the mystery of the Anasazi. As I got older though, I felt something was off with the history and the narrative of what happened in the southwest...so, I started travelling and going to many Southwestern sites and reading everything I could about the ancestral Puebloans...When I was young, the story was that these were egalitarian, peaceful simple farmers....but when you walk through the ruins of Chaco, Aztec Ruins, Salmon Ruins and many others...you get a very, very different feeling...This was a complex, thriving Mesoamerican society with what I believe were "Kings" and they had wars, Religion, Culture, basically all the things a thriving, sophisticated, culture would have. Finally over the last 2 decades the narrative is starting to change and putting the Anasazi, Hohokam and Fremont peoples into their proper perspective. I recommend anyone who is even slightly interested in Southwestern ancient history to read Stephen Lekson's Book "A History of the Ancient Southwest" an amazing and eye opening book that tries to put the pieces of the puzzle together and show what was really going on around a thousand years ago in the Southwest.
@@artreyes9032 Certainly. They were either part of the Anasazi, or they were heavily influenced by them. Chaco was the center of what I believe was an Empire...you won't here that from modern Archaeologists, but being as they were a Mesoamerican culture, I think they were doing just like what took place south of them in Mexico and central America...Just obviously on a much smaller scale as the Southwestern Deserts could only support so many people. Just take a look at the pottery styles of all the different cultures in the southwest and you will see that they are all heavily influenced by the Chaco "Black on White" ceramic styles. Same sort of symbology which I believe means whatever their religion was it was very widespread. Even the Fremont had what looks like influence from Chaco. This was before the Kachina religion (Which began right about when the Anasazi collapsed and the mass migrations began) After the Anasazi left Chaco and moved up to Aztec Ruins Pottery styles began to change in a big way in all the different outliers .
@@notflanders4967 You will not be disappointed. Mr. Lekson has a very interesting writing style and if you are as interested in the Southwest as I am, I found it exciting and incredibly eye-opening. Mr. Lekson also has a number of talks he has given here on RUclips and they cover some of the basics and he is a very engaging speaker as well. Mr. Lekson is now retired and I kick myself for not going to see one of his talks he gave down in Tucson. Also, he's no kook or anything, he is a full on (Well retired now) Southwestern Archaeologist who did a lot of digging in Chaco and a lot of other sites. He was brave enough to stand up to the sanitized park friendly story of the Anasazi and really has tried to show what the Anasazi really were. After you read History of the ancient southwest, another fantastic book is "Prehistoric Warfare in the American Southwest" by Stephen LeBlanc. Yet another intrepid Archaeologist who has fought convention and tried to open up the true history of the Southwest. Also, Mr. Lekson has written a number of other books about the southwest, but are more scholarly and not written in the more popular style he used in History of the ancient southwest. Just look up Lekson on Amazon and you will see so I'm not bombarding you with stuff. :)
“Morals only work on a full stomach” M. Twain. When pushed past the breaking point human behavior can devolve to animal behavior. In the jungle it’s eat or be et.
@John Johnson Not really...the people who were later called 'Aztec' pillaged groups in North America long before they reached what's called today Mexico. By the way, today's "Mexican culture" is actually a White Supremacist, Patriarchal, Christian culture whose drugs are consumed, illicit proceeds are banked and weapons are provided by, guess who...
@@joaquinthunderbird2785 calling someone a racist or idiot for something so long ago it is considered ancient is unnecessary and illogical. I am proud the Americsn tribal part of my heritage but I realize that people that may have lived in an area where my people lived whether before or at the same time may of had a very savage life style for whatever reason. Indeed in Europe there has been evidence of tribal cannibalism as well as just the drinking of blood. The fact is in North America cannibalism existed from Iroquois in northeast to Tonkawas in Texas. There is question whether the Aztecs, who practiced cannibalism, may have came from the area known now as the United States. Blood of the American "Indians" did not vanish unless some of it is no longer seen in many Americans with a known European descent but preferred to forget their Americsn tribal heritage. Right now the Caribe descendants are trying to deny their ancestors were cannibals claiming the Arawak. There is a quote from one of the Caribe talking to a early European merchant about the Awarak, "We ate the men and took the women."
When we were kids , grandma and grandpa told us not to walk on the broken pottery ( kitsiilii) or shattered pottery. Also we shouldn't be walking on the anasazi ruins for it was a place of a grave. Before I took the sheep out to graze. Grandma used to tell me " you better watch out for the little people, they come out of the woods. If you don't keep alert they will get you" . These anasazi were mayans. The cliff dwelling ruins were built by the ones hiding from the mayans. Not just Pueblos , there were the navajos, the Zuni, the uses, and the apaches. They all pitched in to build the cliff dwellings.
If they were Mayan, they were annunaki, sumerians.......... with sacrifice being part of their cultures of Baal worship etc etc etc. They traded humans in Africa too, many of their stories are about this too. Mayans had temple constructed in Florida.
Well, history text books aren't reviewed for accuracy. The author's got paid more for making Americas history look and seem better. Yes for some political agenda but for other wicked intentions.
It's fair enough to recognise the sensitivity of the subject, but to spit in the face of scientific evidence because your feelings got hurt is just absurd.
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
@@TradBarbie evidence based on opinions isn't evidence. It's circumstantial. Even the scientist in the video admitted it's guessing. So no, I'm.not joking. No need to be a smartass this wasn't a conversation for you.
In the end, they say a cult of displaced Aztecs ate the local Anasazi in the American southwest. But current elders in the Navajo nation say that the Anasazi were the Aztecs. While the victims were Navajo and Pueblo.
@@kreevisful Kivas were the underground ceremonial lodges used by the Pueblo people where most of the evidence for human consumption has been discovered.
About 15 years ago, my wife and I visited Chaco Canyon. At one point, I mentioned to our park service guide that evidence of cannibalism was present in human bone remains and in coprolites found in the area. He got quite defensive and dismissed such claims. I tried to assure him I was not speaking disparagingly of the Anasazi or their Hopi descendants and that it could have been an act of desperation in the face of prolonged drought leading to starvation. At the time, I was not aware of the influence of Mesoamerican culture on the Anasazi. I can see how the pejorative label of "cannibal" would be offensive to the native tribes of the southwest. It's a broad brush that can be used to limit these remarkable cultures with the simplistic label of "primitive." However, dismissing compelling scientific evidence does no service to a more complete understanding of the the rich and complex cultures that serve to define what it means to be human.
But it's ok that the white supremacists in the Donner party ate each other. You don't dare find evidence of any other race doing this. The truth is, we are one race - the human race.
My father is from lake valley nm his grandfather was a Navajo medicine man once my brother went there with some friends and he got scolded very badly by my grandfather who said that they did bad things and not to go there anymore
So I was watching a video of a Dine’ elder telling the traditional story of the Anasazi , who were not from here but were invaders from the south who came in and practiced bad magic and enslaved people and practiced cannibalism . The cliff people and Hopi were already here and not related to them. The Anasazi eventually driven back south but left the place in ruins
They do that I think because children are on their Colorado vacation, and they dont want to start talking about the Cannibalism. At mesa verde the guides say that they would bury their dead in the same place they put their trash, ta know bones and broken pottery. But the reality is there is evidence of violence at almost all the ancient Anasazi sites. Its scary. Look up Cortez Colorado Archeology sites
I am Native American per my grandfather. Whatever my ancient ancestors did I won’t find fault with. Those were very different times. My brothers and sister humans are not ingesting each other today. That’s is all that matters to me. Perhaps to be eaten back then was a good and loving thing. Do we really know our ancient ancestors religious beliefs?
DO NOT BE FOOLED. There were BLACK, YELLOW (zuni elder said the chinese brought the peach and live on the other side of the mountain) and RED races Live in PEACE Until the WHITE man "discover" MESO america. The Chinese disappered, so were the BLACK, the move the RED all OVER, erase all evidences or hide them in the caves,,,,, I am pretty sure your ancestors have been eaten. Originally only WHITE EAT people, now they live in all COLORS.
Native American are CREATORS true children, they have been obedient and the remaining older ones are still faithful to the CREATORS and HONOR all LIFE. IT is not your Ancestors, as loving as they were, it was traumatizing for them to have to OFFER their sons and daughters to the "GODS" ( which still exist in high places)
@@wanjuchien4208 are you Zuni? you know what crazy i live in a isolated canyon area in the grand cayon but in my language we have a word for someone who is Asian.
Ay Bih then just about 4 or 5 generations ago you were eating human bodies. Thanks the Spanish and the Portuguese for bringing Christianity over here and stop your people from eating each other. If it wasn’t for the arrival of the Europeans, chances you wouldn’t even exist.
Another aspect to this theory- is the presence of the hundreds of cliff dwellings that were built in this timeline. Many are clearly defensive postions - many in locations that were extremely difficult to access or attack. Was this a reaction by a more peaceful people to the theorized more violent newcomers?
all of the effort and expense to create fortified and pen writable cliff dwellings would seem to a response only to a threat as terrifying as cannibalism, enslavement, extreme violence
It's most likely logic.From the highest vantage points, you can observe the approaching dangerous enemie!!! Like, was the Anasazi!!! They were terminated after 300 years of brutality.
@@MR-nl8xr The pattern described is frequently inverted. self evident truths are recognized and respected, then it is suppressed, and finally it is reduced to a silly joke.
@@copperlemon1 We live in a post truth society where self evident truths are taken as not so self evident, where everything can be reinterpreted based upon the shifting opinions of other ideologies. It's frequently being inverted every which way.
It isn’t a theory that cannibalism existed in many early societies of Europe also. But what was happening to a few in the southwest doesn’t mean it was practiced by the all Anasazi.
@@king_apache7138 i dident say they practiced it i just say scirnce has a problem with new theories also i know that cannabilism whas practiced by other cultures...
Rejected new studies because the"experts" don't want to give that standing up, admit they may be incorrect, and get to work again. It's about research and the truth, not their glory.
@@btk1213 yeah i see that alot a repeating pattern in modern day archeoligy it used to be normal to change theoriesafter new information comes out modern day archeology refuses to do that for example many many many geology experts have independenly from eachother looked at the sphingx in agypt and came to the conclusion that it has to be much older sinceh they can prove weather erosiun that came from watter but everybody literatly everybody in agypt who could change the standing theories refuses to acept that instead they iignore it
People are using life or death situations. The football team in the andes, the Donner party etc This is ritual cannabalism. same as the toltecs and aztecs. Cotez saw this first hand in mexico in the 1500's.
My family has lived in Texas on the coast since the 1820’s. There was one tribe we were taught was feared above all the rest the Karankawa. They ingaged in religious cannibalism, in order to take power from their enemies. Or maybe like in the Jamestown Colony the people were starving. This was hundreds of years ago maybe we will never really know, but in times of desperation people turn to things they never do under normal circumstances.
You know the answer to that question when mentioning the Jamestown Colony situation. Without relying only on science, Science most of the time is like trying to figure out who was there, what they were thinking and what their motives were from only their foot prints left behind. For awhile some people wondered if there was such thing as a race of subhumans called, "Big Foot." Including research scientists. Which I see as only laughable given how us humans in natural diversity when it comes to the height we can reach when coming of age can be clever when stiching up clothing to wear in the bitter cold. Our minds play tricks on us when we experience a quick change in the kind of emotion which we are feeling and the intensity of the same when encountering a surprising and unexpected scene. Same as when some people brought back an ill report about some people which led to their community spending 40 years wondering in the desert instead of continuing on to their destination as if they were lost which they were not. Only spiritually lost at the time.
I live in Texas too and I studied Texas native Americans and one tribe (can’t remember the name) used to throw their baby girls to the wolves when they were born because marrying females to other tribes made their tribe weaker (for whatever reason) then they got their women from other tribes.. I wonder if the other tribe women that became brides wanted to be their brides..
Angel Blue women from our parents generation were heavily taught to be good girls and force that on the world, my mom does it too and I will never change
@@Gearsturfs what does that mean exactly? Does it mean to pretend they are not bad in anyway? That there is no darkness to be found in the blue angels?
24:50 “it’s a very sensitive subject. How could he possibly understand?” Turner is going about science objectively and methodically. Emotion and offense aren’t important, and those who try to force it upon him to skew results are dishonest
At the very least it should never be a consideration of history studies, it's not like finding the truth in the past is the same as making a weapon, or creating a disease.
Turner was very sensitive to the impact on associated NA communities. He was a warm & sincere fellow. Forensic Osteology/Anthropology made huge advances with his research.
"Butchering humans like animals is one thing... but eating that human flesh? that's quite a leap". No, Professor Soy, no it is not. Now go stand in the corner and think about what you just said.
They are different. Think for a moment going and smashing someones skull in with a rock killing them for land or etc. Then think of doing that and then carving them up, roasting their flesh over a fire and then chewing up their intestines and heart and then swallowing. I'd say it's it's quite a leap.
A Navajo elder, who has a channel here on, RUclips, says the stories that were handed down through the generations by his ancestors were that the Anasazi came from the south, and discovered the pueblos and the Cliff dwellers (whom he called something like Dine) already there in Chaco Canyon. The Pueblo and Cliff Dwellers were peaceful when the Anasazi arrived. He says the Anasazi were very warlike and they enslaved the Pueblo people, but claims they only ruled for about 300 years and then destroyed themselves by mocking the Gods and all their slaves left and they couldn’t survive. I do not discount these tribal stories in any culture. They may add a little magic in the telling but it seems they are basically always true.
There is a lot of symbolism in these stories that have a higher meaning, so those who can understand the symbolism can see a the more realistic story that the legends are telling.
I think what hurts people's feelings is not the fact that their ancestors did cannibalism but that white chauvinists will use this as proof that these people were inferior or that the white colonization was justified.
21:26 He's not saying that the current Native American tribes are cannibals. He's saying that their ancestors may have been. He's not dehumanizing them, he's presenting the facts of what he's finding. If a fellow tribe's ancestors were cannibalistic, that doesn't mean the current tribe is. I think, now, that scientists like the man at 21:26 are more concerned with political correctness that presenting facts. We as a united people MUST provide truth and understanding above all else. If we're too concerned about how others feel about the truth, then we'll all be providing lies to keep others' feelings from getting hurt. History and one's ancestors doesn't define them
Mickie Noel And the fact is, as far as I know, we’re not even sure that present day Native Americans in the Four Corners area are descended from the Anasazi. Does anyone know whether genetic testing has been done to confirm or deny this hypothesis? It could be that when the entire Anasazi civilization fell apart, their survivors fled elsewhere. It’s possible that the direct ancestors of the current tribes in the area moved in from somewhere else. There was a lot of movement between Native American cultures, and there is a lot of time involved, centuries.
@@fleetskipper1810 DNA has been done and its brilliant all Yanks are descended from Russians, nomadic tribes came over during the ice age and settled in various parts of the americas.
You're too right, OP. People just can't handle the truth sometimes and they keep looking at the past with modern eyes. Foolish mistakes they're making!
As a New Zealander of British descent, 'read white', I work alongside my Tongan, Samoan mates.....we often crack jokes about who's next in the pot (it's usually me, lol); apparently eating 'long pig' (human flesh) was quite common in Pacific Island cultures. My mates are always laughing and joking about how their ancestors ate mine...white meat etc. etc. We get along just fine, no one's offended.
Things are so much easier when there are ample written records and someone's grandfather, may he rest in peace, always used to tell the story of how the grown-up warriors cooked that arrogant missionary when he was a kid, isn't it?
I absolutely loved this. It included everyone's findings and opinions surrounding scientific hypothesis. It even made me more curious about the art of archeology.
Let’s be real it wasn’t rare if 1000 years later you can find so much evidence of cannibalism . It has happened throughout history take out emotion and it makes sense
Exactly. Someone simply speaking without evidence that "it's dehumanizing to prove cannibalism"... 😂😂😂😂😂. Someone using emotional words like " dehumanizing" isn't qualified to be called a scientist
@@nugsymalone1247 most of us are already getting up there in age; that's the sad part about it. The oldest millennials are about 35 years old (born in 1985). I'm a 29 year old millennial (born in 1991) and am 100% fed up with the politically correct half of my own generation just as much as anyone else. There's unfortunately a reason we are also called "the trophy generation"..... Those entitled idiots really need to grow the F up!
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
"Oh, it can't be true because Native Americans get offended." I have a severe grudge against individuals who want facts to be ignored because they aren't convenient. People from all corners have been guilty of that and so the 'politically correct' one is a nice example of that. Whatever people did or didn't do in the past has nothing to do with what you find convenient. Political correctness is fascism.
Its not because its offensive. All tribes down here talk of giants that came down here amd began taking people to eat for food. Not just us but other tribes as well. Navajos sent the monster slaying twins who received weapons from the sun. Other tribes sent their own people as well.
Those giants were super hungry and even wiped out entire small villages. In thinking this happened to the anasazi. Because only Chaco and this place are like this.
You probably won’t like a lot of police investigations when they make a case with ‘facts’ they like but ignore the rest. You really don’t need facts if you can persuade people easily
I always find it so confusing that if someone finds evidence of something that goes against previous knowledge/assumptions, they get attacked. This is only one of many documentaries I've watched where a scientist or something came to a different conclusion and were attacked for it.
PS... they are putting modern values into play, in the way that he says cannibalism is dehumanising. Yes now it is, but back then, food was so much harder to come by. They would need to fight to survive unlike now where we just float along in the world we've created. In a zombie apocalypse what's the likelihood that people would resort back to cannibalism when food supplies ran out? People would be fighting to survive. And many would do ANYTHING to survive. It may be a silly analogy but it's the best example I could do.
honestly in this case the i can understand why theyre defensive. These tribes have been abused by white scientists for hundreds of years. I think they fear any info that they had a disturbing past will be used against them and their culture, destroy whatever respect and land claims they still have. Don't get me wrong, i understand why the scientist wants to uncover the truth, and he should. but I don't blame this really vulnerable culture for 1. suspecting malpractice and misinformation (which anthropologists have historically done with native research), or 2. if it is true, fearing it will be used against them. (for example, white people justified slavery by saying africans helped capture slaves. this info may have been a convenient exaggeration. even if it were true, it doesn't justify continuing to do it)
You should hear the way psychologists who do IQ studies get attacked as 'racist' just because the average IQ in sub-Saharan Africa is 69. It 'feelz' like it could lead to 'racist conclusions' so it must be rejected for ideological reasons. There are many science deniers and it is usually due to religious or ideological programming
Wow, I love how the main reason against this is "It's not nice. You'll hurt their feelings." If you told me my ancestors ate people, I'd be like "Wtf. That's cool. Tell me more." These people are too sensitive.
Its not because its offensive. Its because our history tells of giants that came began taking people for food. Not just one tribe but several have their own tale of their people disappearing. Navajos sent monster slayer twins who received weapons from the sun to slay them to save the people from extinction. They were wiping out entire small villages.
get real. Hmmm funny how people get offended because you're offended. Call you "sensitive" because you speak your mind on something they feel you shouldn't. All I got to do is mention God . Then we will see who is "sensitive" .
I thought this had been settled decades ago...and what the Navajo have to say about the Anasazi fits perfectly. They also say that there are no descendants of the Anasazi. It bothers me that there is such a large difference in what is claimed by people who've lived in that area for a very long time...whose story is true, or are they all wrong? How can I ever know?
24:58 "He is so removed from it. How could he understand the sensitivity of it", this is where the opponent of the scientist admits that the scientist is right but......feelings.
Fascinating Documentary. It is a shame to see the denunciation of science and the concrete studies performed by Turner because it is "offensive" and "insensitive." The facts are the facts, and all the facts point towards Turner's conclusion. Bravo on Turner's part for standing up for science and for pushing onwards against political correctness.
That's because unless you happen to have been born with white skin, it's impossible for any negative behavior to have existed in any person with a higher a dose of melanin. Didn't do nothin isn't only for today, it's for all of history apparently. I love his deep reasoning, we don't do it today, so it never happened. What a moron.
".......after all the dogs and cats are gone......then you deed to keep a real close eye on your children.......".... as noted by a survivor of Stalins famine
This is why we have open border!! UNLIMITED SUPPLY of AND. RENOC. HROME !! UNDOCUMENTED means UNTRACEABLE!! Our government needs to feed!! Figure it out yet??
I just finished watching a Navajo elder explain that the pottery and everything there is shattered because the slaves they held came back in anger, after the Anasazi were destroyed (for damn good reason!) and smashed everything in an attempt to destroy any trace of them.
If a large agricultural, sedentary village makes - & inevitably breaks - pots & plates & lids & cups for a few decades or 500 years, that leaves a lot of sherds. Same archaeological record you'll find in Shangxi, Jordan, Missouri, Sussex, or Emilia-Romana.
I watched the same Navajo elder video today and was particularly struck by his description of mounds of broken pottery with a particular motif. In the oral histories of my family who lived in New Mexico territory from 1840’s onward, my great great grandfather told his children of great mounds of broken pottery with same black motif. They were not a midden pile but appeared to be shattered & scattered with violence & intent. He was at a loss as to why so much exquisite useful pottery should be shattered when as a general rule it was treasured as family heirlooms by natives and Mexicans of the territory.
I've watched a lot of documentaries like this, and this is by far the most compelling evidence I have ever seen for an archeological theory. I don't believe for a second that if they were cannibals that it says anything negative about their decedents. As others have pointed out, almost every person on earth today probably has at least one ancestor that engaged in cannibalism at some point. Plus, it is unfair to judge ancient societies that we don't really understand by modern standards. But above all, I do not believe a person is responsible for the sins of their ancestors. I don't believe the daughter of a serial killer is responsible for her father's murders. Archelogy is about trying to find the truth no matter how inconvenient it might be, and accurately accusing an ancient society of cannibalism is not the same as accusing potential descendants of being cannibals.
@James Henry Smith I probably will regret asking this and should probably just ignore this comment, but the confusion is driving me crazy. What on earth are you talking about? First, you post a scripture that as far as I can tell is just randomly selected and has absolutely nothing to do with anything (maybe I'm missing something, but I certainly don't see the point you are trying to make or how this scripture could possibly be relevant), but you don't even post the correct reference for the scripture. I consider myself to be Christian, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to randomly post scriptures in any discussion anywhere. The proper reference for the scripture you quoted is 1 Corinthians 10:9, and it is clearly referencing the fact that when God saved the Israelites and led them out of Egypt that when they were in the wilderness many of them forgot that God/Christ had delivered them from Egypt and started engaging in idolatry and fornication, and as a result God sent serpents that bit them, and those that didn't have enough faith to look upon the staff of the serpent that Moses held up based on God's commands died from those snake bites. But as far as I know, no part of that story has anything to do with cannabilsm. Also, that whole story is about God's people. Only Christ's people have the necessary knowledge to "test Christ." Are you suggesting that these people were Christ's people and thus had the ability to "test Christ" the way the Israelites in the wilderness did? Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of stories in the Bible about cultures that weren't God's people that might be relevant to this civilization. And if you really are arguing that this civilization also knew of Christ I am open to the possibility that this particular story is relevant. But if they didn't know Christ you really need to find a story that is about a culture that didn't know of Christ for it to be relevant. I genuinely for the life of me can't figure out what you are even attempting to say with your post. Unless, of course, you are just a troll trying to prove how righteous you are by randomly spamming videos with scripture references without actually worrying if those scriptures are relevant or if your posts actually drive those who don't believe in Christ even further from Christ, in which case I obviously fell for your game.
@James Henry Smith I don’t remember claiming that my comment wasn’t insulting. The best case scenario for me is that you aren’t a troll and that you really were trying to make a much better point and that once you develop your argument better it won’t sound so condescending. To be honest, if I 100% believed you were a troll there really would be no point in responding. If our roles were reversed and I had made a post that didn’t read how I intended it to read that especially quoted holy scripture in a way that could turn people off from Christianity, I would want to know so I could make what I was trying to say a bit clearer. I’m hoping that you actually did have something important to say and that you will explain it more so that the comment no longer reads the way it currently reads. To you the comment probably sounds completely obvious and not simply like a religious troll who is spamming videos with random scriptures to prove how righteous they are. But I have to be honest, that is 100% the way it sounds to me when I read it as currently written, and if that’s the way it sounds to me I guarantee at least one other person will read it that way, too. It is comments like these that kept me from believing in Christianity for a significant period in my life, so it is something that is especially close to my heart. If you didn’t intend it to come off that way, this is a fellow Christian letting you know that at least some people might read it that way and it would be extremely helpful if you would expand your comment so it no longer reads that way. And if you don’t care that it reads that way and/or you really are a troll that is attempting to prove your moral superiority by abusing holy scripture then I have absolutely no problem if you take my comment as insulting. Someone who abuses holy scripture in a way that turns people off from Christianity to stroke their own ego will ultimately face way more serious consequences than being insulted in the comment section on RUclips. And if you choose to believe my comment isn’t being offered in good faith feedback that’s on you. If I tell someone they have toilet paper sticking out of their pants and they decide I’m acting in bad faith and refuse to remove the toilet paper I did my part in telling them. It’s up to them if they don’t want to take the feedback. If I tell someone their zipper is down and they choose to leave it down, that is also up to them. If I tell a woman that her dress is tucked in her underwear and she leaves it tucked in her underwear, first it isn’t an insult, it is merely feedback that will hopefully save her embarrassment down the line, and second if she decides to leave it tucked in her underwear at that point it is her choice how she chooses to respond to the feedback. I have told you how your comment reads at least to me. If you don’t want to develop your argument further so that it reads as less insulting to some people, that is completely up to you.
@James Henry Smith The exact wording varies by translation, but the key is to go to the beginning of the chapter that says, “…our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.” This is clearly referring to the Israelites when they were led out from Egypt since they not only were under a cloud, but passed through the sea. After that, verse after verse uses the word “they.” And in every single case if you look at the grammar, the only “they” to which the word could be referring is the forefathers that were under the cloud and who crossed the sea. While many of those Israelites were killed by literal snakes, I have no problem saying many of those same Israelites were killed by Satan’s followers and not just literal snakes. And I have zero problem believing that it’s at least possible that the Destroyer/Destroying Angel is Satan. But that doesn’t change the key point that if you follow the grammar back to verse 1 that the only possible group that “they” could be referring to throughout the entire chapter is “our forefathers” that “were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.”
As myself being both of Zuni and Navajo descent, I believe these findings and conclusions are damn near accurate. The only question there is now is "was it because of severe starvation?" Or "for ceremonial purposes?" Some other religions on the other side of the world do such things as when an individual dies, their bodies would be heated til the skull pops and the bones open up releasing the deceased person's soul. They believed doing so release the person's soul. But I've also asked my elders to tell me stories passed down from generation to generation through oral traditions and they too speak of the Anasazi (the ancient ones) as being a race of such violent and aggressive behavior.
And there are even cultures where parts of a diseased relative are eaten to return the life force back to the settlement. And in other cultures enemies are eaten after warfare to celebrate victory. And obviously situations where disaster forced people to consume those around them. All of it are somewhat reasonable. And with the amount of different burial rituals (buring them in the ground, cremation, sky burials, mummification, putting them into a cave, and many more) consuming the dead isn't that different. And then obviously all the medicine made from egyptian mummies, which is technically also cannibalism, only that the dead was turned into jerky first. If their cultural beliefs demand them to eat human, so be it. It's not like they do it because they prefer it to other meats.
A tough subject. Aztec ritual canibalism did happen and this may have been exported to the Anazazi. There was trading between them however the Anasazi did not adopt ball courts and plazas which means the influence was limited.
Did you watch it till the end where they referred to them being victims of the Aztecs migrating north and it was a political... cannibalism and murder for control and power?
@@jarniwoop i feel like the aztecs did those horrible rituals simply because they thought that was the only way to appease their deities, i doubt they saw anything as good or evil while sacrificing people. Many native southwest tribes however do have history of morals and boundaries especially when it came to killing other people. There was no need for sacrifices like the aztecs, their religion was mostly harmless chants, dances and rituals. I believe these anasazi witches who practiced cannibalism were very corrupt and knowingly practiced evil just like skinwalkers in navajo culture. They are basically the exact precursors to the bad ones in the tribes they existed in
It makes a lot of sense if you take the time to actually follow the facts all the way to their final conclusion. It also shows that he is not an insensitive person, but merely one who has let the facts reveal the story on their own. Well done.
amen THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THIS ALL AROUND THE WORLD* Micah 3 King James Version 3 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? 2 *Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones* 3 *Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron* Psalms 14:4 King James Version (KJV) Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? *Who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD* Psalms 106:28 “ *They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor, and ate the sacrifices of the dead* .” Numbers 25:2-3 *And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods* 3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. Psalm 106:37-38 37 *Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils* 38 *And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood*
Donner Party eating their own to survive: Widely accepted because of evidence. Native Americans eating their own to survive: Preposterous because feelings and stuff.
@Starr Child I was 12 when that happened. It really stuck in my mind. It was also the same year that a Canadian Bush pilot crash in the Northwest Territories. He had to resort to cannibalism to survive. A very heartbreaking story. Stompin' Tom Connors wrote a song about it. "The Martin Hartwell Story". It still chokes me up when I listen to it.
Robert Berger If I were starving and stranded and left to die - i'd eat a person. If someone wouldn't then I guess they don't want to survive that badly.
@@laney2773 you say that but do you really know what that entails? Killing and breaking the bones and butchering of another human? You have probably never even gutted a deer or seen a human corpse before, you would likely go to great lengths to AVOID eating another human. Many on the Oregon trail in times of starvation would die rather than to eat members of their family or party, some did but as they butchered the bodies they would keep them separate and label them so family members would not eat eachother by accident. You say you would be able but would you really?
Robert Berger these humans were NOT starving- but yea- that can be true of dogs - they will even eat each other and their owners under those conditions.🤮
I'm Native American and I can accept that yeah, some tribes did practice cannibalism in rituals. No big deal, almost every society had cannibalism in it. The Russian Famine, the Donner Party, tribes in Papua New guinea etc. As long as scientists respect the tribe's wishes (with their dead by not taking or digging up burial grounds without tribal permission, not taking ancient jewelry, gold and as an "artifact" if it's on tribal land abide by the tribe's wishes). And as a Native American I can also say that it's honestly no one's business how a tribe functioned if that tribe wants their business to be kept private from the outside world. We owe it to NO ONE if we say no to archeologist demands to exhume our sacred land and burial grounds, our family members are there. We already know our own history and we don't need anyone to narrate what we already know. No means no. If a tribe obliges to archeologists and gives permission to dig up dead relatives, wonderful, have at it! But not all of us think the same and would like to keep our land as it is. I think that's fair enough.
They are deceived by Satan BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REMORSE FOR THERE ACTIONS. THEY SIN AGAINST GOD AND DO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS . ONE OF WHICH IS YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. GOD MADE MAN AT HIS IMAGE . ETERNAL DAMNATION IS THE ENDING FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSE TO DENY JESUS. JESÚS SAID NOT EVERYONE WHO CALL ME LORD LORD WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD BUT ONLY THOSE THAT DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. DO YOU THINK IT IS THE WILL OF GOD TO KILL A BROTHER OR SISTER? NO! TO FOLLOW THE TRUE GOD YOU MUST COME TO KNOW HIM. DENY YOURSELF AND YOUR SINFUL DESIRES . . Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
marley hendrix yes, you do...because it's happened all over the world to learn about history and it's important. Your not immune to that. All over southern America, ten Amazon and the Middle East they've found the same things, its ritual because all these people worshiped false Gods which leads to evil.
@Dillon Mcconnell Different peoples lived in the same place--sometimes concurrently, and sometimes not--so they each call it home. It happens everywhere in the world, and it doesn't mean they don't know their history.
in the chronicles of cabaez de vaca, he came across quite a few different cannibalistic tribes while journeying from Florida's gulf coast to the baja peninsula(pacific). I was surprised when researching his writings of his accounts of so many different tribes and customs. his writings were from the early 1500's and some of the earliest accounts of native americans
Thank you for posting! Seems unfortunate this piece didn't bother to ask the POV of Dineh Nation (Navajo). Some clans retained an oral history from this period and they knew Anasazi.
Haha... In Brazil one of the tribesmen used to make their captives go to the dinner area while having feet and hands tied saying " here comes your food bouncing"...
It’s got nothing to do with culture. There have been traces of cannibalism in early Europe, Mexico, other parts of Central America and some other countries. What your ancestors did has nothing to do with you for the most part.
I grew up in the 4 corner's. Mesa Verde was literally my backyard. I can tell you now that natives, especially utes and navajos are not peaceful people and never have been. There is no doubt in my mind that the Anasazi where capable of cannibalism! Especially when you consider the years of drought when plant foods and game where scarce.
You can’t say that! It stops the narrative that white peoples are the bad ones. We all know you can’t criticise people of colour. You can only criticise white people.
Jill Worrell why would they write down how they killed and ate people? That's like admitting they were doing it and were that aware. People usually only eat people as a last, desperate result.
True but drought and famine were not a problem at that time and place. They were eating each other in large numbers for cultural reasons. My suspicion is a religion developed wherein they captured enemies, sacrificed them, as did the Aztecs, and then ate them.
This doesn't surprise me at all. Bronze age cultures around the world were a lot more brutal than people give them credit for. I visited a castle in Scotland once, and there was an "execution pit" right next to it.
Gavlick Apthesycerski mountjoy jail in Ireland (where Kevin Barry was hung) still has the hangnans noose and the scaffold (or gallows depending on where you're from) is still in working order to this day. It's not open to the public since mountjoy is still a working prison but the. guy in charge of his gristly little "museum" still keeps all the equipment polished and maintained
Up near my family's reservation at Welpinit Washington USA there were tribes known to be cannibals for sure, thought of more so as ceremonial. Cheers to consistently amazing content- Daniel Smith
Southwest tribes have recently been saying from their oral traditions saying they were into cannabalism, but one day "evil cryptid creatures" came & killed, tore apart & ate many of these folk & they never recovered!!!!!! They just "reaped what they sowed" !!!!!
Just because it hurts someone's feelings does not mean it isn't true. Facts do not care about feelings. There is evidence of cannibalism in the Anasazi area at the time they lived there.
Why even talk about how some tribes are offended? Of course they don't like the idea of their ancestors having been cannibals at times, the whole idea of cannibalism has been utterly demonized in modern society. But what most people don't realize is that cannibalism was a common practise in times of need in the past, even here in "civilized" Europe, our ancestors ate their kinsmen at times. People need to understand that they cannot apply modern sensibilities to the past. Same goes for the "barbaric" sacrifices of New World people, it's not exclusive to the New World. Carthage sacrificed children, it is hypocritical to look at these western civilizations and awe at their achievements, but then call the civilizations of the New World barbaric because they did something that the previous civilizations also did.
joujou264 Europeans ate human during harsh times, and during pre-historic times. Native Americans (from south to north) are people because that is what they did. Wonder why they never developed? Wonder why Christianity is necessary in society?
Brazuca Real Christianity is a myth a fairytale used to control people just like every religion. God isn’t real. Christianity like is a mental illness and a cult.
Native Americans need to relax: my culture is Fijian - famous for cannibalism! It happens. Its history. What happens in the past we don't let it define our culture because cannibalism doesn't define human culture despite the fact that it did occur throughout the world.
Agree with you 100 percent A Concerned World Citizen, no-one is responsible for their ancestors deeds, hopefully humanity will change and learn not to be like past ancestors to heal humanity and our world. But I guess that is going to take many future generations before humanity wakes up.
Maybe the Indians are afraid their welfare aid will be cut back if something negative is proven? So silly, accepting facts is part of rising above your station in life...
@@krisschaefer876 that's not why cannibalism was adopted and used in Fiji - its a long story, but basically nothing to do with cannibalism being a nutrition supplement in this case either. In most cases through out the world, Cannibalism rarely is used as a nutrition supplement.
@Drinking Water how do you know? See the problem with this pathetic and desperately feverish fear of "PR" consequences of any association with cannibalism? Its hilariously sad! Cannibalism happens - why should ANY Indigenous tribe invest any energy in making sure they are without cannibalism association, when whoever is inquiring their ethnicity is guilty of cannibalism themselves! Everyone's ancestors have almost certainly done it or party to it at some point in the past 10,000 - 50,000 years. Its like getting hysterical about abortions: men and women have been aborting fetuses since time in memorial - all cultures, all eras. Now, its not pleasant - it slashes the Pastoral canvas many of us have romanticized about our forebears - but that was a part of our human story, nonetheless.
Sscience is very protective of their already established theory of mankind..Today when a discovery contradicts mainstream belief , it's likely that the discoverer will be scorned and all but exiled from their scientific peers
@Prairiedoggen They must have wanted people to know because they could have dried the bones and pulverized them..They chose to just discard them with toolmarks on them the same as with animals they did eat !
It's amazing how the truth can be staring people in the face, and they still don't want to accept it. And then to top it all off, there are those "experts" who are purposely deceitful, and cover up the truth thru their purposeful ignorance(even lies). None of this is an attack on a certain people. There is a very true dark history to all mankind, which originated in sin, the powers of darkness and the evil one. This was a really good video!
It's not that they were trying to hide anything. Believe or not, before around the 70's, archeologist's didn't look for signs of cannibalism there and in many other sites
This is disturbing to people,it does not condemn anyone,only, we are suffering from “the Disney syndrome “.Americans want everything to be fun… Except History , and if you were not taught rudimentary,you can blame The Catholic Church…
Exactly read the Bible and the fallen angels who visited the Anasazi and demanded human sacrifice in order to gain the knowledge from the fallen ones. I'm native American and I'm not offended
When science screams it... it most likely happened. It's been done throughout history for different reasons. People who LABEL an act as politically incorrect are the ones who should be silenced.
Hey congrats 🎉 I strongly feel akin as well although my native history happened inVirginia. I love all these nations tribes and history. We should never be ashamed of what our ancestors had to endure and sacrifice in the name of life! That's why we are here!! In the horrific chaos of learning loving fighting and pleasure we are somehow evolving. Aren't we?
Lies, my great great grandmother was Indigenous black creek Indian and the slave master daughter. She died upset seeing her millions of years of history rewritten by "white man lies
I am also 50% native american. I find it interesting that something happened to the Anasazi in the 1250s which is about the same time the Aztecs made their appearance in the valley of Mexico. Could it be that they Hopis and others in the area pushed them out of that northern area? Could it be that the ones that turned to cannibalism got shunned by their neighbors? The Aztec stories say that they came from a place called "Aztlan". So many words with "AZ" in them. Coincidence? Maybe a few came from Meso American to influence them and after their practices were shunned they were guided to the valley of Mexico.
Witch hunt probably gone too far, wouldnt doubt their neighbor tribes wanted that whole group gone not even sparing the good ones which were the majority of their population
@@derekbigpowers1993 well yeah historically southwestern native tribes also came from the mayans/aztecs, thats why they share alot of things in common with some of their practices and some of the witchcraft
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
I'm no archaeologist, but I theorize that one reason that the Anasazi built their shelters partially underground was to escape the heat. If you build shelters partially underground, you avoid most of the heat. If the shelters were 3 stories into the ground, it probably felt like modern day air conditioning down there lol
@Wyn S and how did you like it? Is this something you might do in the future? And would you think about cooking that product maybe adding spices like lemon pepper or other spices to your liking? How about a foot, would you eat a foot?
As Diné, I feel bad for the guy because he is looking at this with curiosity and following the evidence. Main point is no one knows for sure but a knowledgeable trained professional looked into it and simply communicated his findings. If science can back it up and you don’t like it use the same method to make your argument. Simply denying science doesn’t get anyone anywhere. We Diné viewed Anasazi as evil due to their practices. Our ancestors knew they did things that were not in harmony so, there is a historical indigenous perspective that something was amiss.
If human beings practiced eating human flesh, which they have and still do, how does observing that equal de-humanizing a population? Just the opposite, I think.
Honestly, I find it odd that so many are offended by the assertion of cannibalism present in a society, especially when it has been observed, documented the globe over, across the ages, as well as various 'races' having participated in the practice. White Europeans had a fine practice of incorporating various body parts of their deceased into their 'medicines' and nobody seems offended by that practice. Just saying...
As an American of European descent, yes, using deceased human bodies for "medicine" is offensive (and sadly still done today, via the organs of aborted embryonic-and-fetal-stage babies). Prevalence doesn't make something right.
When i was a teenager i was obsessed with cliff dwellings. I had posters of the area on my wall. Well 30 years later we find my grandmothers mother was on the census for pueblo reservation. All i can say is "Wow". This came up after dna test done by my sister stating over 60% native. We are mixed with other things as well but I feel like that small part of my history was calling me to remember something. ❤
I can't imagine being upset about things done by ancestors 1000 years ago. I believe all cultures at those remote times may have resorted to cannibalism in times of famine or other resons, it doesn't mean anything for us now one way or another.
Thank you. Finally someone without paper thin skin. I think we're all animals pretending to be something else. You starve any animal and it will eat his best friend.
My own background is Celtic, English ( Angle-ish and Saxon) with a touch of Maliseet. There is evidence that there is a scientifically (i.e. reality supported) supported body of evidence that human cultures have committed human sacrifice under circumstances unique to their culture, time and place. Surely, today we cannot be egotistical enough to think the scientists and documentors are finding evidence that is damning and dehumanizing of us personally today. It is just the opposite, it allows us to know the human story, our histories. This is the story of humanity in all its dark being enlightened by kinder minds. We as a human race must stop the "we are better than you" and meet this phenomenon with understanding, not umbrage and exception.
Yes and you know what, it has nothing to do with native Americans Being able to say they shouldn't. Have been massacred. What you get a pass for genocide if the people are violent? You shouldn't have to say you wer perfect to discuss the history. The mythology however is just plain old racism and many races do this, say they aren't part of the human condition. why, I don't know. maybe because it justifies further violence against others.
@@music4music237 yeah people have been using demonizing of whole groups as justification for wholesale slaughter and genocide for 1000s of years its time for it to stop.
I'm Mexican and I learned about these rituals when I was at uni, I never felt offended, my ancestors killed and ate human flesh as part of religious ceremonies. What I find offensive is misinformation, the aztecs did not sell the flesh in the market, that would have been sacrilege. Human sacrifices can be compared to the catholic ritual of the mass, where you must believe that you are consuming the flesh and blood of a god or else you do not have faith in the sacrament. Those sacrified where, after the fact, compared to something as close to a god as humanly possible and were treated as such, which is why they were eaten.
Agree cannibalism was happening all over the world ...Europe, Africa, Asia and so on everywhere you find a cases ...people were collecting heads of defeated enemies and so on...even Celts and so on
Human flesh was for the slaves, at least that's what ive read, and Aztec also said " human meat taste like pork" . How true? Idk ? Just throwing it out there.
Interesting theory, there is a youtube video from a Navajo Elder where he says the Anasazi preyed upon their neighbors until they were overthrown and erased, their former victims becoming the Pueblo. History is probably somewhere between this and the stories the tribes tell themselves, as societies can be the result of former enemies forged into one by the fall of one civilization
The Diné arrived in the Àmerican Southwest long after the abandonment of the Colorado Plateau by the Ancestral Puebloans. We savor the wisdom & poetry of the Storytellers & respect the scientists. Christy Turner was a good man.. And turns out the Hopi, Zuñi, & Rio Grande Puebloans did very well indeed where they settled (& remain today)
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Aztec invasion?... What's the timeline ....my first thought was drought...then I thought of the Aztecs....but hunger will drive you to do that...The Donner Party!!! Just thinking
Eric Underwood, there are carvings of feet with six toes in Chaco canyon. Canaanite descendants were worshipped as gods, good chance this was all in ceremony.
@@xavierapples1405 that's believable...ugh!
Cannibalism was common in the past and will also be common in The Great Tribulation . May Jehovah be with us !!! 🙏💚🙏
Eric Underwood Exactly. That’s just the way history works. Pretty much all cultures have done awful things to each other at some point throughout their history.
He doesn’t need to be sensitive to anything he needs to tell the truth, actual science has no sensitivities, only findings.
If that was only true it would be a better world
@@georgedavis6583 Science relies on impartial, unbiased observation.
Findinngs can be manipilated and lied about
@@yamamahtayama6985 yep they sure can and are. Your point?
@whoimia? Well said!
If you're a scientist and you reject facts because they're offensive, you're not a scientist.
Yep, if PC then the earth would still be flat. PC is a curse.
Too right really, pretty much [near literally] every culture and race has cannibalism documented at some point of their history. What they are 'protecting' is cowardice on their behalf and those who think they are responsible for their ancestors actions.
If you're a Scientist - *"Scientists who research or report on it, seek the answers - facts - wherever they fall - wherever they lead - One does not research merely to prove their opinion"*
Mass misinformation can mislead the masses.
@@TheAtl0001 And don't forget about race realism. According to those pc sjw's we are all equal lol.
*Servals I concur with you 100%. Facts don't care about our feelings. I suspect that gentleman @ 21 min. 26 sec. is a typical American Career Democrat.*
As part Native, please don't let the truth die. It is the past regardless of how vile we see it today. The actions of the past should not be judged by today's standards.
Knowing the good and bad facts of the past allows us to become better people.
Agreed.
People will resort to cannibalism, regardless if it's in their culture or not, when in a dire starvation situation. This has been seen in all eras of mankind. Who are we to judge?
No one is saying that, many Americans have some type of Native American ancestry, that was the past ,we can't judge people today for their ancestors actions!
@@workingmamma5342 Donner Pass
I agree completely with Louis L'Amour "A mistake constantly made by those who should know better is to judge people of the past by our standards rather than their own. The only way men or women can be judged is against the canvas of their own time".
Louis L'Amour
That is the heart of the truth , this current “woke “ ideology is very destructive because without history being portrayed as it was , the same events will repeat themself . Humans who think they are righting wrongs by tearing statues down, rewriting books to a history of their ideals is not looking good for the future generations .
Every culture , ethnicity, every group of human beings have bad and good in their history ….. you can’t change the past to make it right , learning the history and the where and why and changing the here & now.
We don’t understand or face , what past generations faced.
Until God judges them...
Met Louie in a outdoor store in Durango many year ago. Didn't know who he was until the clerk told me. He picked out a backpacking fishing pole for me, which I still have. Many fish caught with that pole and eaten. Thanked him and told him I enjoyed his books.
They were judged, by their slaves who revolted and exterminated them.
@@stevenrubisch629yes! One of the Navajo teachers (? Sorry for my naivety) that I’ve seen on RUclips mentions this. They were destroyed completely because the Holy People ensured it was so. Really intriguing stuff!!
Cannibalism was common for many different cultures. My people (Polynesians) were Cannibals until only about 170 years ago. Specifically in Tonga where my parents are from. Love and respect to my native brothers and sisters. 💯✊🏾
Your Tongan friend from Provo Utah
I grew up in Provo, went to Timpview and had many Tongan and Samoan friends.. Great Ball players even better friends! Thanks for sharing brother! 🙏👊🍻
If those are your people then go find them
@Unga, When I was at BYU, I and a Hawaiian friend put on a ward dinner by cooking a pig polynesian style in the ground using hot rocks. He said that when Polynesians cooked humans they called them 'long pig'.
@@geoffreyfoster8039 I know a few Liberal long pigs they can eat
Exactly
I’m Aztec and in the end this documentary completely blamed all the horrors and cannibalism on my people. I’m also not at all offended. If there is clear proof that Aztec peoples moved to the area and did this, then it is what it is. This was 800 years ago! Political correctness has no place in history!
Shadow Broker..
Cannibalism existed all over the world. It was the practice then. Perhaps the brain was not yet fully developed. Even in relatively recent times, cannibalism was still being practiced by tribes in the Far East rainforests. They knew no better.
When we think of Ancient Rome, look at the heinous atrocities that were being committed even then. Throwing human beings to the lions was just as cannibalistic, or burning people at stake, etc. .. in a different way. The Anasazi existed way earlier. No one is condoning it; but, to reiterate, their brains were probably not as highly developed. Let's say the Anasazis knew no better.
AMEN!
So as an Aztec, have u not heard any of the stories told like these about ur people? Bc at least in the West are the Aztecs infamous for human and baby sacrifice and cannibalism, be it true or not. What are the stories ur told about ur people’s history?
U R 💯👍
You are wrong our history is a lie and much is lying in the basement of the Vatican..papal inquisition destroyed millions to bring in Christianity and included natives of other countries..they wiped out or tried to eliminate the history of the Tartarian Empire.
I Am Native American and extreme environments and extreme weather and extreme conditions and circumstances come together it is not at all impossible to see what happened! Just think of the plane crash in the mountains and what those people did with the dead to stay alive!
Im not entirely convinced that it was the Anazasi that were doing the cannibalising. It doesnt make sense for them to go along for generations peacefully and then suddenly start consuming each other.
Either they were victims of interlopers, maybe illness of some kind. Other tribes have the windego folklore, which revolves around cannibalism. Obviously, this isnt isolated solely to this tribe.
My point is: there was a catalyat event that caused this event to happen.
Exactly my friend its in every person to survive no matter what
@ Rick Eldridge - watch the video. then you can learn what professional archaeologists theorize instead of making up your own theories.
@@anonymoose116 WATCH THE VIDEO
@@veryimportantperson3657 I DID
Wally Brown, Navajo historian, has a lot to say about this topic. According to Dineh (Navajo) oral history, the Anasazi left no descendants. Instead, they were eradicated by the ancestors of the cliff dwelling tribes and the puebloan tribes, whom they had enslaved and victimized (cannabalized?) for three centuries. Brown says the puebloans and cliff dwellers were present when the Dineh migrated into the Southwest. The Anasazi came later from the south. They were violent and oppressive, practiced human sacrifice and possibly cannibalism. These practices horrified the original inhabitants. Eventually, the victimized tribes turned on the Anasazi and wiped them out. Brown’s oral history is fascinating and presents a completely new way of viewing the history of the region. According to the Dineh, modern puebloan tribes are not descended from the cannibal Anasazi, but from the heroic survivors of their victims. Worth a listen:
ruclips.net/video/JIKLnZoOtR4/видео.html
Really great video - archeology is finally catching up with the cherished stories of Native people.
Great to hear
I love Mr. Brown’s videos, and his videos on the Anasazi, are some of my favorites.
Wally Brown is awesome and full of wisdom!
This is why it is critically important to listen carefully to the oral histories of people whose ancestors were present during these times. Instead, too many archeologists poo-poo these stories as idle myths and tall tales told around a campfire.
As a Navajo myself who grew up on the reservation I remember stories of the Anasazi, I was told that they were part of a certain people who came up from south america who set up these places as mass trading sites. There are stories of them taking our navajo people as slaves and it was a drought that caused their trade network to fail causing their ultimate downfall...perhaps thats what drove them to cannibalism toward their end...
I was also surprised there wasn't any discussion of the turquoise trade network from Mesoamerica to the Anasazi lands.
There’s proof that the stories you heard are true. I believe it’s actually this particular Anasazi ruins that this man is at where they found colorful feathers from birds only found in Central/South America as well as a blue paint made from an algae found only in Mexico (somewhere in the Yucatán if I remember correctly). Scientists/archeologists seem to agree and believe it likely was used, at least in part, as a trading post between people from the south (Mexico as well as central and south America) and the Anasazi people… and probably other native Americans as well.
Although other people came through it doesn’t seem like there was a mixture of peoples actually living there though, the domiciles seem to only (or at least primarily) have been used by the Anasazi.
or they carried with them the love of ‘Sacrificial’ slaying like even the ancient tribes of middle east , not the Noe’tic people .
did you mis’ coral&agate(fossil wood) . polynesia was want of Sacrificial lives also... these as mixtec olmec etc are southern tribes tho’ their influence was surely felt here in the N. American lands..
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
Can't help but admire the courage of the scientists and the filmmakers.
This is what true science and objective media should be about - the fact finding.
Bravo!
They did not eat people. Some of us know our history. My great great grandmother was Indigenous black creek Indian and the slave master daughter. They were already writing "white man lies" before she died over 60 years ago.
“He’s so removed from it” because he is being objective. You have to be objective to be scientific.
Tina Bean yeah I’d just say back, you’re not removed enough that’s why you don’t matter
He's a true scientist.
I'm sure he's sensitive to this but he is a scientist and he has to be objective. The truth has to be accepted.
Sorry but facts don’t care about feelings, science is the truth and always will be. If they get offended oh well, we must understand our history, be acceptable every truth. Not pick and choose if it’s real or not.
Good call👍
This confirms the stories of the Diné (Navaho) historian Wally Brown about the Anasazi. The Diné name for the Chaco Canyon ruins is "Place of Weeping and Wailing".
Anazasi were not peaceful, they were the ones who ate other Relatives. Please never lie about Grandfather. And never learn from Caucasians, there is no truth in his theories.
Yes I saw it.
Highly recommend 👍🏼👍🏼
I wasted 23 minutes on this and saw no evidence of who or what was eating who. Also the dating is complete speculation. Americans have no problem with torturing and murdering men woman and children. What do catholics do to the body of christ every Sunday.
You should send this video to him. This is why they were all destroyed. Sick
I watch him also. He telling of his people eradicating them for their evil still makes me think how bad they must have been. Maybe the makers of these shows should talk to the native elders.
"being politically correct is not science" YES. more people need to hear this, especially today
Preach!!!
Exactly, sciencific topics shouldn't be explored just because it may hurt some people feeling. Facts doesn't care about feeling, if there enough evidence to prove this then it's true even though it doesn't agree with your feeling.
Science is a religion, so yes they can deny it lol
Amen
@@turtleb7170 How is science a religion?
My grandmother was a native woman. She died at over 105 years of age and she told my siblings and I about old rituals that our ancestors committed.....and yes cannibalism was a part of that. Why that one guy is so sensative about that subject.....riddles me. Maybe he has never spoken honestly to one of his elders, or asked the proper questions to his elders. Maybe he didn't pay attention to his elders teachings.
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
It wasn't just natives who practiced these rituals, but also certain African tribes and even certain tribes in Britain or other parts of Europe. It's not a racial subject, but a human subject.
People groups
Some groups did
Some groups did not
On all continents
"native woman" is very vague, what area? what tribe? anything?
I never thought I'd watch an Archaeologists carving raw meat with rocks in his driveway
you don't know many Archaeologist do you?
Javier Mendoza how many do you know?
That's standard scientist behavior; in a strangely public setting using weird items to illustrate a point.
When I first arrived at archaeology camp a few years ago they were boiling a bunny that had drowned in one of the units to use its bones for science. I learned a lot there.
It was a bit theatrical. I remember reading about Turner in the early 1990's. I feel that the evidence is fairly convincing.
I am navajo, and I was told old stories that Anasazis were cannibals, and that I am surprised that a scientist found out by looking at the bones, crazy!
Yeah I have heard those stories and I am not even native. The brutality, the slaves both for labor and for trade, the cannibalism, human sacrifice while the victims were still alive. These are meso-American practices, and I suspect the Anasazis, who reportedly came from the south, were a wave of renegade Aztec.
It was a trap/slaughter house , they weren't even human but inhabited human bodies. @@rtqii
It amazes me that people think what their ancestor did 800 years ago has any moral meaning to who they are today. Almost everywhere in the world at some point in the past cannibalism occurred.
True👍
But people will find what they want to find. I think it's like Neanderthal man which to me never existed as it is a fraud. Yet the 23andMe actual believe in this myth.
Well, it does say something about what people will do when hungry, or when a culture's food supply proves inadequate to the nutritional needs of its people. I don't know how much precipitation the region had centuries ago, but it doesn't appear to be a landscape infertile for farming or fishing or even largescale hunting. The plains Indians had buffalo. ... But as I continue to watch, I learn of other factors, other influences, for the hunger hypothesis doesn't hold much broth, so to speak.
I'll just add to your comment since you've basically said what I thought. Proof of cannibalism in the past isn't dehumanizing. It's humanizing. It's something that has happened in the past countless times. For today's native Americans to say it's impossible because their stories don't mention it is to claim they are above all other humans. They aren't. They're just like all the other humans in history. And news flash... it doesn't have to be due to starvation. Many human cultures in history didn't see other human tribes as human beings. It can in fact be a hint of a horrible human society... of which history is littered.
Yes most of modern human, of all race, have genetic adaptation to cannibalism. Most of human are immune or resistant to prion disease thank to our ancestor who eat the brain of our enemy or grandparent
Why is human sacrifice (on a grand scale) accepted as part of ancient Aztec culture (including drinking human blood), but the very real possibility of something similar happening in the Anasazi culture is completely unthinkable. Its probably because the Aztecs had a form of written language that physically showed them carrying out such acts. Kinda hard to deny. The fact is that many human cultures engaged in acts that we today find horrid, but they considered normal. You can't (and shouldn't) judge an ancient culture by our modern standards.
I agree J smith and how does saying the ancient Anasazi were cannibals demean and dehumanize modern Hopi Native Americans? its like saying that modern Scandinavians are sub human BC of what the vikings did, or that the modern Polynesians are demeaned and dehumanized BC of their ancestors or Modern Caucasians are characterized for what all our different and diverse ancestors did! There are horrible things that every ethnicity has done in their racial past... can't we recognize what happened in the past without people feeling offended by it
If by "horrid" you mean cannibalism, then it happens not exclusively in ancient times. In times of hardship almost all races are known to resort to cannibalism. It is documented to have happened during European dark ages. And it happened as recently as the 1970's during the communist era in Asia. It's really not as horrid as some people think.
because it's cannabalism, it's sort of another level of immorality but beyond that it's because this is new information which is shocking not the saying that it's worse then other groups. But yeah cannabalism tends to be much darker to most people.... and eating flesh vs drinking blood is different as well to many people. There's rituals worldwide of drinking some blood easpecially in folk medicines.
Isn't there a difference between between attaining sustenance from the consumption of human flesh and ceremonial ritual human sacrifice as performed by the Aztecs, among whom only the priests covered their bodies in sacrificial blood?
J Smith The Aztecs did it as a form of religious belief for the gods, not just to eat human meat when there was plenty of other food available.
I will listen to a scientist more than some random guy saying we don't think they did that...It doesn't MATTER what YOU think, the evidence is there.
Yeah, as if you should believe someone who heard from someone who then heard it from someone else who also heard it from someone, instead of listening to a scientist who actually looks at the evidence and only then makes up their mind
Well said
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
There opinion matter, but there is definitely cannibalism, I don't think they just kill each other for no reason, they need more research
ruclips.net/video/YQr4scI5G8E/видео.html
When I was young, back in the early 70's I got a chance to go to Mesa Verde...and I was astounded at the cliff dwellings and became entranced with the beauty of the place and the mystery of the Anasazi. As I got older though, I felt something was off with the history and the narrative of what happened in the southwest...so, I started travelling and going to many Southwestern sites and reading everything I could about the ancestral Puebloans...When I was young, the story was that these were egalitarian, peaceful simple farmers....but when you walk through the ruins of Chaco, Aztec Ruins, Salmon Ruins and many others...you get a very, very different feeling...This was a complex, thriving Mesoamerican society with what I believe were "Kings" and they had wars, Religion, Culture, basically all the things a thriving, sophisticated, culture would have. Finally over the last 2 decades the narrative is starting to change and putting the Anasazi, Hohokam and Fremont peoples into their proper perspective. I recommend anyone who is even slightly interested in Southwestern ancient history to read Stephen Lekson's Book "A History of the Ancient Southwest" an amazing and eye opening book that tries to put the pieces of the puzzle together and show what was really going on around a thousand years ago in the Southwest.
Ya I went to Chaco canyon as a kid and the energy is dark
You think the gila cliff dwellers were Allie’s with Chaco canyon?
@@artreyes9032 Certainly. They were either part of the Anasazi, or they were heavily influenced by them. Chaco was the center of what I believe was an Empire...you won't here that from modern Archaeologists, but being as they were a Mesoamerican culture, I think they were doing just like what took place south of them in Mexico and central America...Just obviously on a much smaller scale as the Southwestern Deserts could only support so many people. Just take a look at the pottery styles of all the different cultures in the southwest and you will see that they are all heavily influenced by the Chaco "Black on White" ceramic styles. Same sort of symbology which I believe means whatever their religion was it was very widespread. Even the Fremont had what looks like influence from Chaco. This was before the Kachina religion (Which began right about when the Anasazi collapsed and the mass migrations began) After the Anasazi left Chaco and moved up to Aztec Ruins Pottery styles began to change in a big way in all the different outliers .
I just ordered this book today. Can't wait! Thanks for sharing.
@@notflanders4967 You will not be disappointed. Mr. Lekson has a very interesting writing style and if you are as interested in the Southwest as I am, I found it exciting and incredibly eye-opening. Mr. Lekson also has a number of talks he has given here on RUclips and they cover some of the basics and he is a very engaging speaker as well. Mr. Lekson is now retired and I kick myself for not going to see one of his talks he gave down in Tucson. Also, he's no kook or anything, he is a full on (Well retired now) Southwestern Archaeologist who did a lot of digging in Chaco and a lot of other sites. He was brave enough to stand up to the sanitized park friendly story of the Anasazi and really has tried to show what the Anasazi really were. After you read History of the ancient southwest, another fantastic book is "Prehistoric Warfare in the American Southwest" by Stephen LeBlanc. Yet another intrepid Archaeologist who has fought convention and tried to open up the true history of the Southwest. Also, Mr. Lekson has written a number of other books about the southwest, but are more scholarly and not written in the more popular style he used in History of the ancient southwest. Just look up Lekson on Amazon and you will see so I'm not bombarding you with stuff. :)
“Morals only work on a full stomach” M. Twain. When pushed past the breaking point human behavior can devolve to animal behavior. In the jungle it’s eat or be et.
IBAV8N 2 ate?
Another great quote from Mr. Twain.
Nope...as the most amoral people always have full stomachs...
IBAV8N 2
BREAKING NEWS: We are Animals . We are Primates..!
@John Johnson Not really...the people who were later called 'Aztec' pillaged groups in North America long before they reached what's called today Mexico. By the way, today's "Mexican culture" is actually a White Supremacist, Patriarchal, Christian culture whose drugs are consumed, illicit proceeds are banked and weapons are provided by, guess who...
"Being politically correct is not doing science."
That is literally the best thing I've heard in a long time! 👍
But...But...My gender fluidity.
Hear hear!!
You are an idiot. A racist one at that.
@@joaquinthunderbird2785 calling someone a racist or idiot for something so long ago it is considered ancient is unnecessary and illogical. I am proud the Americsn tribal part of my heritage but I realize that people that may have lived in an area where my people lived whether before or at the same time may of had a very savage life style for whatever reason. Indeed in Europe there has been evidence of tribal cannibalism as well as just the drinking of blood. The fact is in North America cannibalism existed from Iroquois in northeast to Tonkawas in Texas. There is question whether the Aztecs, who practiced cannibalism, may have came from the area known now as the United States. Blood of the American "Indians" did not vanish unless some of it is no longer seen in many Americans with a known European descent but preferred to forget their Americsn tribal heritage. Right now the Caribe descendants are trying to deny their ancestors were cannibals claiming the Arawak. There is a quote from one of the Caribe talking to a early European merchant about the Awarak, "We ate the men and took the women."
Joaquin Thunderbird why don’t you go in your safe space
"If you accuse someone of cannibalism, you dehumanize them" ... umm, by defiinition cannibals are human
Liberals man ...
You are what you eat...
Cannibalism is eating your own species not specifically a human thing but yea🤣
@@chriskola3822 I was going to say that, but checked to see if there was an other low ... lol
His argument for them not being cannibals is that would be mean.
When we were kids , grandma and grandpa told us not to walk on the broken pottery ( kitsiilii) or shattered pottery. Also we shouldn't be walking on the anasazi ruins for it was a place of a grave. Before I took the sheep out to graze. Grandma used to tell me " you better watch out for the little people, they come out of the woods. If you don't keep alert they will get you" . These anasazi were mayans. The cliff dwelling ruins were built by the ones hiding from the mayans. Not just Pueblos , there were the navajos, the Zuni, the uses, and the apaches. They all pitched in to build the cliff dwellings.
Yes, they were Mayan!
The Dineh claim to have mixed with the Cliff Dwellers. The Pueblos were all the many different peoples who did not dwell in the cliffs.
What proof do you have that they were “Mayan” how do you know if they were not Otomi, purepecha, pame, chichimeca, etc
More likely they were Aztec.
If they were Mayan, they were annunaki, sumerians.......... with sacrifice being part of their cultures of Baal worship etc etc etc. They traded humans in Africa too, many of their stories are about this too. Mayans had temple constructed in Florida.
It’s good to see someone who is telling history for what it is and not about their political agenda
Telling the truth IS a political agenda, just like telling only lies.
@@larrybuzbee7344 that makes absolutely no sense. political agendas spreads falsehoods, its what propaganda is about.
Well, history text books aren't reviewed for accuracy. The author's got paid more for making Americas history look and seem better. Yes for some political agenda but for other wicked intentions.
@@larrybuzbee7344 can you say that again but make it make sense
@@its_jjk Depends on the capabilities of the audience.
It's fair enough to recognise the sensitivity of the subject, but to spit in the face of scientific evidence because your feelings got hurt is just absurd.
Totally agree with you
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
@Santina Murphy bro stfu
Its not fair to recognize their pathetic feelings of white guilt. We haven't done anything that every other race hasnt tried to do to us.
@Santina Murphy simeon*
Being offended isn't a counter argument.
Neither is drawing conclusions.
@@kristin216 Are you joking 😆😆😆
If you've drawn your conclusions from *evidence* then yes.. yes it is.
@@TradBarbie evidence based on opinions isn't evidence. It's circumstantial. Even the scientist in the video admitted it's guessing.
So no, I'm.not joking.
No need to be a smartass this wasn't a conversation for you.
@Brian Mino is this a rhetorical question?
@Brian Mino sounds like a personal problem. Hope it gets better soon😘
In the end, they say a cult of displaced Aztecs ate the local Anasazi in the American southwest. But current elders in the Navajo nation say that the Anasazi were the Aztecs. While the victims were Navajo and Pueblo.
The Pueblo being not ONE people but the generic name for the many peoples that lived NOT in the cliffs.
Convinient. Aztecs never had Kivas.🙂
"White man lies" John 8:44
Kivas? @@Juanvaldez-u5j
@@kreevisful Kivas were the underground ceremonial lodges used by the Pueblo people where most of the evidence for human consumption has been discovered.
About 15 years ago, my wife and I visited Chaco Canyon. At one point, I mentioned to our park service guide that evidence of cannibalism was present in human bone remains and in coprolites found in the area. He got quite defensive and dismissed such claims. I tried to assure him I was not speaking disparagingly of the Anasazi or their Hopi descendants and that it could have been an act of desperation in the face of prolonged drought leading to starvation. At the time, I was not aware of the influence of Mesoamerican culture on the Anasazi. I can see how the pejorative label of "cannibal" would be offensive to the native tribes of the southwest. It's a broad brush that can be used to limit these remarkable cultures with the simplistic label of "primitive." However, dismissing compelling scientific evidence does no service to a more complete understanding of the the rich and complex cultures that serve to define what it means to be human.
Probably because for natives culture, family, and ancestors are everything so its personal to their contemporaries
But it's ok that the white supremacists in the Donner party ate each other. You don't dare find evidence of any other race doing this. The truth is, we are one race - the human race.
My father is from lake valley nm his grandfather was a Navajo medicine man once my brother went there with some friends and he got scolded very badly by my grandfather who said that they did bad things and not to go there anymore
So I was watching a video of a Dine’ elder telling the traditional story of the Anasazi , who were not from here but were invaders from the south who came in and practiced bad magic and enslaved people and practiced cannibalism .
The cliff people and Hopi were already here and not related to them.
The Anasazi eventually driven back south but left the place in ruins
They do that I think because children are on their Colorado vacation, and they dont want to start talking about the Cannibalism. At mesa verde the guides say that they would bury their dead in the same place they put their trash, ta know bones and broken pottery. But the reality is there is evidence of violence at almost all the ancient Anasazi sites. Its scary. Look up Cortez Colorado
Archeology sites
I like how people can only be victims of violence, never the doers of violence.
I know it!!! Ugggg!! Infuriating!!
Especially the ones with badges that get paid leave...go figure
@@ericunderwood8080 or society itself.
For every victim, there is certainly a doer.😕
As always killing and killed. Just a matter of who gets they're hits in. Eating and eaten.
I am Native American per my grandfather. Whatever my ancient ancestors did I won’t find fault with. Those were very different times. My brothers and sister humans are not ingesting each other today. That’s is all that matters to me. Perhaps to be eaten back then was a good and loving thing. Do we really know our ancient ancestors religious beliefs?
DO NOT BE FOOLED. There were BLACK, YELLOW (zuni elder said the chinese brought the peach and live on the other side of the mountain) and RED races Live in PEACE Until the WHITE man "discover" MESO america. The Chinese disappered, so were the BLACK, the move the RED all OVER, erase all evidences or hide them in the caves,,,,,
I am pretty sure your ancestors have been eaten. Originally only WHITE EAT people, now they live in all COLORS.
Native American are CREATORS true children, they have been obedient and the remaining older ones are still faithful to the CREATORS and HONOR all LIFE. IT is not your Ancestors, as loving as they were, it was traumatizing for them to have to OFFER their sons and daughters to the "GODS" ( which still exist in high places)
@@wanjuchien4208 are you Zuni? you know what crazy i live in a isolated canyon area in the grand cayon but in my language we have a word for someone who is Asian.
Ay Bih then just about 4 or 5 generations ago you were eating human bodies. Thanks the Spanish and the Portuguese for bringing Christianity over here and stop your people from eating each other. If it wasn’t for the arrival of the Europeans, chances you wouldn’t even exist.
Denise Emond Right. It was common to expect to gain wisdom and bravery in ingesting people
Another aspect to this theory- is the presence of the hundreds of cliff dwellings that were built in this timeline. Many are clearly defensive postions - many in locations that were extremely difficult to access or attack. Was this a reaction by a more peaceful people to the theorized more violent newcomers?
all of the effort and expense to create fortified and pen writable cliff dwellings would seem to a response only to a threat as terrifying as cannibalism, enslavement, extreme violence
It's most likely logic.From the highest vantage points, you can observe the approaching dangerous enemie!!!
Like, was the Anasazi!!! They were terminated after 300 years of brutality.
Africa did the same to protect themselves from colonizers. Until 1492 they didn't know how to sail, so America was safe.
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”
he's at stage 2 . . .
It can also go the other way.
@@copperlemon1 make no sense.
@@MR-nl8xr The pattern described is frequently inverted. self evident truths are recognized and respected, then it is suppressed, and finally it is reduced to a silly joke.
@@copperlemon1 We live in a post truth society where self evident truths are taken as not so self evident, where everything can be reinterpreted based upon the shifting opinions of other ideologies. It's frequently being inverted every which way.
the big problem in modern science is that new theories get rejected just because they dont want to question the established theories
It isn’t a theory that cannibalism existed in many early societies of Europe also. But what was happening to a few in the southwest doesn’t mean it was practiced by the all Anasazi.
@@king_apache7138 i dident say they practiced it i just say scirnce has a problem with new theories also i know that cannabilism whas practiced by other cultures...
Rejected new studies because the"experts" don't want to give that standing up, admit they may be incorrect, and get to work again. It's about research and the truth, not their glory.
@@btk1213 yeah i see that alot a repeating pattern in modern day archeoligy it used to be normal to change theoriesafter new information comes out modern day archeology refuses to do that for example many many many geology experts have independenly from eachother looked at the sphingx in agypt and came to the conclusion that it has to be much older sinceh they can prove weather erosiun that came from watter but everybody literatly everybody in agypt who could change the standing theories refuses to acept that instead they iignore it
They dont want facts to get in the way of political agenda and propaganda.
Plenty of British arctic explorers educated and bred in nobility ATE HUMANS
I think its silly to assume this is an attack on race.
Do whaaat?!
Oh yeah cannabalism was very common in the ancient times.
Gives a new meaning to the phrase " *EÅT* *MÊ* " !
Look at the football team that crashed in the Andes in the 70s I think, resorted to cannabilisum.
People are using life or death situations. The football team in the andes, the Donner party etc This is ritual cannabalism. same as the toltecs and aztecs. Cotez saw this first hand in mexico in the 1500's.
My family has lived in Texas on the coast since the 1820’s. There was one tribe we were taught was feared above all the rest the Karankawa. They ingaged in religious cannibalism, in order to take power from their enemies. Or maybe like in the Jamestown Colony the people were starving. This was hundreds of years ago maybe we will never really know, but in times of desperation people turn to things they never do under normal circumstances.
You know the answer to that question when mentioning the Jamestown Colony situation. Without relying only on science, Science most of the time is like trying to figure out who was there, what they were thinking and what their motives were from only their foot prints left behind. For awhile some people wondered if there was such thing as a race of subhumans called, "Big Foot." Including research scientists. Which I see as only laughable given how us humans in natural diversity when it comes to the height we can reach when coming of age can be clever when stiching up clothing to wear in the bitter cold. Our minds play tricks on us when we experience a quick change in the kind of emotion which we are feeling and the intensity of the same when encountering a surprising and unexpected scene. Same as when some people brought back an ill report about some people which led to their community spending 40 years wondering in the desert instead of continuing on to their destination as if they were lost which they were not. Only spiritually lost at the time.
“Ingaged” ??
@@whereRbearsTeeth glad you caught the spelling error, shows you actually read it
I live in Texas too and I studied Texas native Americans and one tribe (can’t remember the name) used to throw their baby girls to the wolves when they were born because marrying females to other tribes made their tribe weaker (for whatever reason) then they got their women from other tribes.. I wonder if the other tribe women that became brides wanted to be their brides..
Then 1492 came & they all were wiped out...
I used to hate watching movies like this in school. Now I watch them all day lol
Andy Stewart Lol same
Angel Blue women from our parents generation were heavily taught to be good girls and force that on the world, my mom does it too and I will never change
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim me too! Lol
@@Gearsturfs what does that mean exactly? Does it mean to pretend they are not bad in anyway? That there is no darkness to be found in the blue angels?
@@Gearsturfs if I had to assume I might guess you are living in denial of who anc what you truly are in being human.
24:50 “it’s a very sensitive subject. How could he possibly understand?”
Turner is going about science objectively and methodically. Emotion and offense aren’t important, and those who try to force it upon him to skew results are dishonest
How most of society is now anyway
Wellsaid
At the very least it should never be a consideration of history studies, it's not like finding the truth in the past is the same as making a weapon, or creating a disease.
Turner was very sensitive to the impact on associated NA communities. He was a warm & sincere fellow. Forensic Osteology/Anthropology made huge advances with his research.
@@generalputnam2990 impact isn't important. Only facts are
"Butchering humans like animals is one thing... but eating that human flesh? that's quite a leap".
No, Professor Soy, no it is not. Now go stand in the corner and think about what you just said.
They are different. Think for a moment going and smashing someones skull in with a rock killing them for land or etc. Then think of doing that and then carving them up, roasting their flesh over a fire and then chewing up their intestines and heart and then swallowing. I'd say it's it's quite a leap.
LOL, not just butchering but cooking them in a pot.
@@drpureinsanity I think he was reffering to the scraping off of ALL the flesh then boiling it in a pot bit
I mean it's not unreasonable to assume it might have been a part of a ritual.
IIISW ILIII
“Professor Soy?!” Don’t go to college; the education would be wasted on you
A Navajo elder, who has a channel here on, RUclips, says the stories that were handed down through the generations by his ancestors were that the Anasazi came from the south, and discovered the pueblos and the Cliff dwellers (whom he called something like Dine) already there in Chaco Canyon. The Pueblo and Cliff Dwellers were peaceful when the Anasazi arrived. He says the Anasazi were very warlike and they enslaved the Pueblo people, but claims they only ruled for about 300 years and then destroyed themselves by mocking the Gods and all their slaves left and they couldn’t survive.
I do not discount these tribal stories in any culture. They may add a little magic in the telling but it seems they are basically always true.
Remnants survived
Some returned & buried
There is a lot of symbolism in these stories that have a higher meaning, so those who can understand the symbolism can see a the more realistic story that the legends are telling.
Navajo is the Spanish spelling of the name that the Anasazi gave to the Dine. There is a Navajo elder who explains the history of this.
Navajo Traditional Teachings is the channel I think these commenters are talking about.
"It hurts my feelings and offends me that my ancestors may have been cannibals. Therefore it can't be true." That sums up current thinking entirely.
Just like it hurts your feelings that Columbus never really found America? Lol
@Fred Garven this could be fun 😃. The Normandy Swim Meet, Waterloo Walking Tour, Love Fest between The North and South, 😁.
I think what hurts people's feelings is not the fact that their ancestors did cannibalism but that white chauvinists will use this as proof that these people were inferior or that the white colonization was justified.
@@OutragedPufferfish facts don't care about your feelings.
@@bethklecha5945 "Does the kippah give that away?"
21:26
He's not saying that the current Native American tribes are cannibals. He's saying that their ancestors may have been. He's not dehumanizing them, he's presenting the facts of what he's finding. If a fellow tribe's ancestors were cannibalistic, that doesn't mean the current tribe is.
I think, now, that scientists like the man at 21:26 are more concerned with political correctness that presenting facts. We as a united people MUST provide truth and understanding above all else. If we're too concerned about how others feel about the truth, then we'll all be providing lies to keep others' feelings from getting hurt.
History and one's ancestors doesn't define them
Mickie Noel And the fact is, as far as I know, we’re not even sure that present day Native Americans in the Four Corners area are descended from the Anasazi. Does anyone know whether genetic testing has been done to confirm or deny this hypothesis? It could be that when the entire Anasazi civilization fell apart, their survivors fled elsewhere. It’s possible that the direct ancestors of the current tribes in the area moved in from somewhere else. There was a lot of movement between Native American cultures, and there is a lot of time involved, centuries.
@@fleetskipper1810 DNA has been done and its brilliant all Yanks are descended from Russians, nomadic tribes came over during the ice age and settled in various parts of the americas.
Mickie Noel natives think people are defined by their ancestors and are responsible for what they did
You're too right, OP. People just can't handle the truth sometimes and they keep looking at the past with modern eyes. Foolish mistakes they're making!
@@jasonjuelg5045 That's so foolish and ignorant. What in slam shell are they thinking?! Perhaps they aren't.
As a New Zealander of British descent, 'read white', I work alongside my Tongan, Samoan mates.....we often crack jokes about who's next in the pot (it's usually me, lol); apparently eating 'long pig' (human flesh) was quite common in Pacific Island cultures. My mates are always laughing and joking about how their ancestors ate mine...white meat etc. etc. We get along just fine, no one's offended.
Things are so much easier when there are ample written records and someone's grandfather, may he rest in peace, always used to tell the story of how the grown-up warriors cooked that arrogant missionary when he was a kid, isn't it?
That's cool XD !
Islands don't have the protein to support large populations of Humans.
@Se Ou not sure where you get the idea that I was flattering myself. My point was that cannibalism in past doesn't faze either me or my mates
Be careful
I absolutely loved this. It included everyone's findings and opinions surrounding scientific hypothesis. It even made me more curious about the art of archeology.
these archeologists, are paid, grants, to tow the line, comply,, not think for themselves,,or they dont get paid..
Archeology is a science, not an “art”
Let’s be real it wasn’t rare if 1000 years later you can find so much evidence of cannibalism . It has happened throughout history take out emotion and it makes sense
Exactly. Someone simply speaking without evidence that "it's dehumanizing to prove cannibalism"... 😂😂😂😂😂.
Someone using emotional words like " dehumanizing" isn't qualified to be called a scientist
Yikes!
When did science become a process of emotion, no longer adhering to facts?! Wtf?!
Since the time of the Greeks...
just wait til millenials get old! lol
@@nugsymalone1247 most of us are already getting up there in age; that's the sad part about it. The oldest millennials are about 35 years old (born in 1985). I'm a 29 year old millennial (born in 1991) and am 100% fed up with the politically correct half of my own generation just as much as anyone else. There's unfortunately a reason we are also called "the trophy generation".....
Those entitled idiots really need to grow the F up!
Totally agree with you
It doesn't matter about folk emotions it matters about the facts of evidence
Nothing more needs to be said
I don't think he is a scientist, more of a historian, or an archeologist. As you all know history is full of biases and emotions. I remembered one of my history teachers said that no history is written without bias. If you were to argue that he is a scientist, I think he is more of a social scientist exploring past events and achievements to human behavior and relationships among groups, and keep in mind this can be riddled with bias because they are piecing everything together through the eyes of another time period, culture, etc..
"Oh, it can't be true because Native Americans get offended." I have a severe grudge against individuals who want facts to be ignored because they aren't convenient. People from all corners have been guilty of that and so the 'politically correct' one is a nice example of that. Whatever people did or didn't do in the past has nothing to do with what you find convenient. Political correctness is fascism.
Agreed. It Is also the source of a ton more ignorance and hatred. let's just agree we are all human.
@@music4music237 im scottish, and sawney bean was scottish, so why should i be offended about the truth, p.s. look up sawney
Its not because its offensive. All tribes down here talk of giants that came down here amd began taking people to eat for food. Not just us but other tribes as well. Navajos sent the monster slaying twins who received weapons from the sun. Other tribes sent their own people as well.
Those giants were super hungry and even wiped out entire small villages. In thinking this happened to the anasazi. Because only Chaco and this place are like this.
You probably won’t like a lot of police investigations when they make a case with ‘facts’ they like but ignore the rest. You really don’t need facts if you can persuade people easily
It would be interesting if they could do some ancient DNA analysis to determine who these peoples actually were... Anasazi or migrating Aztec.
or tooth strontium.
The Anasazi were the Aztecs who had migrated.
I’m white and my ancestory test was nuts. I have oceanic dna for some reason… yes, I wonder what their ancestory says. Prob just Native American.
The Azteca wrote of fallen angels...
I always find it so confusing that if someone finds evidence of something that goes against previous knowledge/assumptions, they get attacked. This is only one of many documentaries I've watched where a scientist or something came to a different conclusion and were attacked for it.
PS... they are putting modern values into play, in the way that he says cannibalism is dehumanising. Yes now it is, but back then, food was so much harder to come by. They would need to fight to survive unlike now where we just float along in the world we've created. In a zombie apocalypse what's the likelihood that people would resort back to cannibalism when food supplies ran out? People would be fighting to survive. And many would do ANYTHING to survive. It may be a silly analogy but it's the best example I could do.
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honestly in this case the i can understand why theyre defensive. These tribes have been abused by white scientists for hundreds of years. I think they fear any info that they had a disturbing past will be used against them and their culture, destroy whatever respect and land claims they still have. Don't get me wrong, i understand why the scientist wants to uncover the truth, and he should. but I don't blame this really vulnerable culture for 1. suspecting malpractice and misinformation (which anthropologists have historically done with native research), or 2. if it is true, fearing it will be used against them. (for example, white people justified slavery by saying africans helped capture slaves. this info may have been a convenient exaggeration. even if it were true, it doesn't justify continuing to do it)
cognitive dissonance
You should hear the way psychologists who do IQ studies get attacked as 'racist' just because the average IQ in sub-Saharan Africa is 69. It 'feelz' like it could lead to 'racist conclusions' so it must be rejected for ideological reasons. There are many science deniers and it is usually due to religious or ideological programming
All of us have cannibalism in our ancient ancestry. The reason we think it's so reprehensible is that we've never been that hungry.
But they weren't doing it just because 1 or 2 were hungry or deranged...
I'd rather die than that. Somewhere where no one will find my body.. don't want to be eaten either
Your comment is bang on! Check out Dark Histories and The Wreck of the Medusa for that very scenario, my friend!
The Anu-sazi weren't cannibalized because the invaders were hungry, just as Europeans didn't consume Egyptian mummy parts because they were hungry...
We all have it, but it wasn't always due to hunger. Often, it had religious or spiritual purposes.
Wow, I love how the main reason against this is "It's not nice. You'll hurt their feelings." If you told me my ancestors ate people, I'd be like "Wtf. That's cool. Tell me more." These people are too sensitive.
It's because in some native cultures it's still considered taboo.
Theres a chance that they probably where not even their direct ancestors as well.
Brazuca Real In their eyes?
Its not because its offensive. Its because our history tells of giants that came began taking people for food. Not just one tribe but several have their own tale of their people disappearing. Navajos sent monster slayer twins who received weapons from the sun to slay them to save the people from extinction. They were wiping out entire small villages.
get real. Hmmm funny how people get offended because you're offended. Call you "sensitive" because you speak your mind on something they feel you shouldn't. All I got to do is mention God . Then we will see who is "sensitive" .
I thought this had been settled decades ago...and what the Navajo have to say about the Anasazi fits perfectly. They also say that there are no descendants of the Anasazi. It bothers me that there is such a large difference in what is claimed by people who've lived in that area for a very long time...whose story is true, or are they all wrong? How can I ever know?
Ask a modern Puebloan. Or an Archaeologist.
24:58 "He is so removed from it. How could he understand the sensitivity of it", this is where the opponent of the scientist admits that the scientist is right but......feelings.
most things that are called science is psudo science like the bs shape of the earth
@@laural3267 i hope for you and your loved ones that you were being sarcastic.
Fascinating Documentary. It is a shame to see the denunciation of science and the concrete studies performed by Turner because it is "offensive" and "insensitive." The facts are the facts, and all the facts point towards Turner's conclusion. Bravo on Turner's part for standing up for science and for pushing onwards against political correctness.
True. And knowing he dedicated 30 years of his life about it. What a dedication
Always rewriting history to fit the agenda.
THANK you for saying that!!
Are there parallels to the collapse of civilisations around 1100BC?
That's because unless you happen to have been born with white skin, it's impossible for any negative behavior to have existed in any person with a higher a dose of melanin. Didn't do nothin isn't only for today, it's for all of history apparently. I love his deep reasoning, we don't do it today, so it never happened. What a moron.
".......after all the dogs and cats are gone......then you deed to keep a real close eye on your children......."....
as noted by a survivor of Stalins famine
Exactly every group of people eventually ate each other at some point in history. Most of it is covered up.
@@NoName-mi8bm yes, I’d have to agree.
james bowie encountered man eating tribes while running slaves up from florida several times.
the books name is "the iron mistress"
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I just finished watching a Navajo elder explain that the pottery and everything there is shattered because the slaves they held came back in anger, after the Anasazi were destroyed (for damn good reason!) and smashed everything in an attempt to destroy any trace of them.
If a large agricultural, sedentary village makes - & inevitably breaks - pots & plates & lids & cups for a few decades or 500 years, that leaves a lot of sherds. Same archaeological record you'll find in Shangxi, Jordan, Missouri, Sussex, or Emilia-Romana.
I watched the same Navajo elder video today and was particularly struck by his description of mounds of broken pottery with a particular motif.
In the oral histories of my family who lived in New Mexico territory from 1840’s onward, my great great grandfather told his children of great mounds of broken pottery with same black motif. They were not a midden pile but appeared to be shattered & scattered with violence & intent. He was at a loss as to why so much exquisite useful pottery should be shattered when as a general rule it was treasured as family heirlooms by natives and Mexicans of the territory.
Fallen angels
I've watched a lot of documentaries like this, and this is by far the most compelling evidence I have ever seen for an archeological theory. I don't believe for a second that if they were cannibals that it says anything negative about their decedents. As others have pointed out, almost every person on earth today probably has at least one ancestor that engaged in cannibalism at some point. Plus, it is unfair to judge ancient societies that we don't really understand by modern standards. But above all, I do not believe a person is responsible for the sins of their ancestors. I don't believe the daughter of a serial killer is responsible for her father's murders. Archelogy is about trying to find the truth no matter how inconvenient it might be, and accurately accusing an ancient society of cannibalism is not the same as accusing potential descendants of being cannibals.
We are infecting politics into science and nothing good can come from it
@James Henry Smith I probably will regret asking this and should probably just ignore this comment, but the confusion is driving me crazy. What on earth are you talking about? First, you post a scripture that as far as I can tell is just randomly selected and has absolutely nothing to do with anything (maybe I'm missing something, but I certainly don't see the point you are trying to make or how this scripture could possibly be relevant), but you don't even post the correct reference for the scripture. I consider myself to be Christian, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to randomly post scriptures in any discussion anywhere. The proper reference for the scripture you quoted is 1 Corinthians 10:9, and it is clearly referencing the fact that when God saved the Israelites and led them out of Egypt that when they were in the wilderness many of them forgot that God/Christ had delivered them from Egypt and started engaging in idolatry and fornication, and as a result God sent serpents that bit them, and those that didn't have enough faith to look upon the staff of the serpent that Moses held up based on God's commands died from those snake bites. But as far as I know, no part of that story has anything to do with cannabilsm. Also, that whole story is about God's people. Only Christ's people have the necessary knowledge to "test Christ." Are you suggesting that these people were Christ's people and thus had the ability to "test Christ" the way the Israelites in the wilderness did? Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of stories in the Bible about cultures that weren't God's people that might be relevant to this civilization. And if you really are arguing that this civilization also knew of Christ I am open to the possibility that this particular story is relevant. But if they didn't know Christ you really need to find a story that is about a culture that didn't know of Christ for it to be relevant. I genuinely for the life of me can't figure out what you are even attempting to say with your post. Unless, of course, you are just a troll trying to prove how righteous you are by randomly spamming videos with scripture references without actually worrying if those scriptures are relevant or if your posts actually drive those who don't believe in Christ even further from Christ, in which case I obviously fell for your game.
@James Henry Smith I don’t remember claiming that my comment wasn’t insulting. The best case scenario for me is that you aren’t a troll and that you really were trying to make a much better point and that once you develop your argument better it won’t sound so condescending. To be honest, if I 100% believed you were a troll there really would be no point in responding. If our roles were reversed and I had made a post that didn’t read how I intended it to read that especially quoted holy scripture in a way that could turn people off from Christianity, I would want to know so I could make what I was trying to say a bit clearer. I’m hoping that you actually did have something important to say and that you will explain it more so that the comment no longer reads the way it currently reads. To you the comment probably sounds completely obvious and not simply like a religious troll who is spamming videos with random scriptures to prove how righteous they are. But I have to be honest, that is 100% the way it sounds to me when I read it as currently written, and if that’s the way it sounds to me I guarantee at least one other person will read it that way, too. It is comments like these that kept me from believing in Christianity for a significant period in my life, so it is something that is especially close to my heart. If you didn’t intend it to come off that way, this is a fellow Christian letting you know that at least some people might read it that way and it would be extremely helpful if you would expand your comment so it no longer reads that way. And if you don’t care that it reads that way and/or you really are a troll that is attempting to prove your moral superiority by abusing holy scripture then I have absolutely no problem if you take my comment as insulting. Someone who abuses holy scripture in a way that turns people off from Christianity to stroke their own ego will ultimately face way more serious consequences than being insulted in the comment section on RUclips. And if you choose to believe my comment isn’t being offered in good faith feedback that’s on you. If I tell someone they have toilet paper sticking out of their pants and they decide I’m acting in bad faith and refuse to remove the toilet paper I did my part in telling them. It’s up to them if they don’t want to take the feedback. If I tell someone their zipper is down and they choose to leave it down, that is also up to them. If I tell a woman that her dress is tucked in her underwear and she leaves it tucked in her underwear, first it isn’t an insult, it is merely feedback that will hopefully save her embarrassment down the line, and second if she decides to leave it tucked in her underwear at that point it is her choice how she chooses to respond to the feedback. I have told you how your comment reads at least to me. If you don’t want to develop your argument further so that it reads as less insulting to some people, that is completely up to you.
@James Henry Smith The exact wording varies by translation, but the key is to go to the beginning of the chapter that says, “…our forefathers were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.” This is clearly referring to the Israelites when they were led out from Egypt since they not only were under a cloud, but passed through the sea. After that, verse after verse uses the word “they.” And in every single case if you look at the grammar, the only “they” to which the word could be referring is the forefathers that were under the cloud and who crossed the sea. While many of those Israelites were killed by literal snakes, I have no problem saying many of those same Israelites were killed by Satan’s followers and not just literal snakes. And I have zero problem believing that it’s at least possible that the Destroyer/Destroying Angel is Satan. But that doesn’t change the key point that if you follow the grammar back to verse 1 that the only possible group that “they” could be referring to throughout the entire chapter is “our forefathers” that “were all under the cloud, and that they all passed through the sea.”
How many people did your father kill
As myself being both of Zuni and Navajo descent, I believe these findings and conclusions are damn near accurate. The only question there is now is "was it because of severe starvation?" Or "for ceremonial purposes?" Some other religions on the other side of the world do such things as when an individual dies, their bodies would be heated til the skull pops and the bones open up releasing the deceased person's soul. They believed doing so release the person's soul. But I've also asked my elders to tell me stories passed down from generation to generation through oral traditions and they too speak of the Anasazi (the ancient ones) as being a race of such violent and aggressive behavior.
They were the strong of the day. They had to keep up with the Aztec rituals. No disputing they were cannibals.
And there are even cultures where parts of a diseased relative are eaten to return the life force back to the settlement. And in other cultures enemies are eaten after warfare to celebrate victory. And obviously situations where disaster forced people to consume those around them. All of it are somewhat reasonable. And with the amount of different burial rituals (buring them in the ground, cremation, sky burials, mummification, putting them into a cave, and many more) consuming the dead isn't that different. And then obviously all the medicine made from egyptian mummies, which is technically also cannibalism, only that the dead was turned into jerky first.
If their cultural beliefs demand them to eat human, so be it. It's not like they do it because they prefer it to other meats.
A tough subject. Aztec ritual canibalism did happen and this may have been exported to the Anazazi. There was trading between them however the Anasazi did not adopt ball courts and plazas which means the influence was limited.
Did you watch it till the end where they referred to them being victims of the Aztecs migrating north and it was a political... cannibalism and murder for control and power?
@@jarniwoop i feel like the aztecs did those horrible rituals simply because they thought that was the only way to appease their deities, i doubt they saw anything as good or evil while sacrificing people. Many native southwest tribes however do have history of morals and boundaries especially when it came to killing other people. There was no need for sacrifices like the aztecs, their religion was mostly harmless chants, dances and rituals. I believe these anasazi witches who practiced cannibalism were very corrupt and knowingly practiced evil just like skinwalkers in navajo culture. They are basically the exact precursors to the bad ones in the tribes they existed in
It makes a lot of sense if you take the time to actually follow the facts all the way to their final conclusion. It also shows that he is not an insensitive person, but merely one who has let the facts reveal the story on their own. Well done.
No he made a wrong assumption that he pushed even when the evidence proved him wrong
amen
THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THIS ALL AROUND THE WORLD*
Micah 3
King James Version
3 And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
2 *Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones*
3 *Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron*
Psalms 14:4 King James Version (KJV)
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? *Who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD*
Psalms 106:28
“ *They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor, and ate the sacrifices of the dead* .”
Numbers 25:2-3
*And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods*
3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.
Psalm 106:37-38
37 *Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils*
38 *And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood*
nope he's 100% correct @@marieknight9385
Stunning documentary. Incredible research.
RIP all those silenced in all departments of our world
I was upset when I found out that some of my relatives were cannibals... it does explain where the rest of my relatives went though...
They went through the intestines of your relatives!
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I wish this man was one of my teachers growing up. Then I might have paid more attention.
The only dissenters are those having emotional reactions to the evidence.
The emotional reaction comes from systematic genocide .....
Christy Turner retired in 2004 and passed away in 2013. I remember first hearing about this in the late 1990s.
He was a warm & conscientious guy. And his late wife was terrific.
"Science attacks" is a code for "my silly little fantasy is being dispelled by facts and I don't like it"
Donner Party eating their own to survive: Widely accepted because of evidence.
Native Americans eating their own to survive: Preposterous because feelings and stuff.
Wasn't the Donner party absolved after forensic evidence?
Remember the plane crash in the Andes. Uruguay rugby team. 1972.
@Starr Child good to know
@Starr Child I was 12 when that happened. It really stuck in my mind. It was also the same year that a Canadian Bush pilot crash in the Northwest Territories. He had to resort to cannibalism to survive. A very heartbreaking story. Stompin' Tom Connors wrote a song about it. "The Martin Hartwell Story". It still chokes me up when I listen to it.
A culture of many centuries: no they didn’t eat 300 humans. Lol
Dogs are not cannibalistic but in starvation, everything goes.
Robert Berger If I were starving and stranded and left to die - i'd eat a person. If someone wouldn't then I guess they don't want to survive that badly.
@@laney2773 you say that but do you really know what that entails? Killing and breaking the bones and butchering of another human? You have probably never even gutted a deer or seen a human corpse before, you would likely go to great lengths to AVOID eating another human. Many on the Oregon trail in times of starvation would die rather than to eat members of their family or party, some did but as they butchered the bodies they would keep them separate and label them so family members would not eat eachother by accident. You say you would be able but would you really?
This is not a out hunger
Robert Berger these humans were NOT starving- but yea- that can be true of dogs - they will even eat each other and their owners under those conditions.🤮
Happy Raccoon true
Thanks!
I'm Native American and I can accept that yeah, some tribes did practice cannibalism in rituals. No big deal, almost every society had cannibalism in it. The Russian Famine, the Donner Party, tribes in Papua New guinea etc. As long as scientists respect the tribe's wishes (with their dead by not taking or digging up burial grounds without tribal permission, not taking ancient jewelry, gold and as an "artifact" if it's on tribal land abide by the tribe's wishes). And as a Native American I can also say that it's honestly no one's business how a tribe functioned if that tribe wants their business to be kept private from the outside world. We owe it to NO ONE if we say no to archeologist demands to exhume our sacred land and burial grounds, our family members are there. We already know our own history and we don't need anyone to narrate what we already know. No means no. If a tribe obliges to archeologists and gives permission to dig up dead relatives, wonderful, have at it!
But not all of us think the same and would like to keep our land as it is. I think that's fair enough.
@Dillon Mcconnell *their
And you don't even know basic grammar.
@@carolanno3805 thx internet grammar police! Are you an English teacher, lol
They are deceived by Satan BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REMORSE FOR THERE ACTIONS. THEY SIN AGAINST GOD AND DO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS . ONE OF WHICH IS YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. GOD MADE MAN AT HIS IMAGE . ETERNAL DAMNATION IS THE ENDING FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSE TO DENY JESUS.
JESÚS SAID NOT EVERYONE WHO CALL ME LORD LORD WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD BUT ONLY THOSE THAT DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. DO YOU THINK IT IS THE WILL OF GOD TO KILL A BROTHER OR SISTER? NO! TO FOLLOW THE TRUE GOD YOU MUST COME TO KNOW HIM. DENY YOURSELF AND YOUR SINFUL DESIRES .
. Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
marley hendrix yes, you do...because it's happened all over the world to learn about history and it's important. Your not immune to that. All over southern America, ten Amazon and the Middle East they've found the same things, its ritual because all these people worshiped false Gods which leads to evil.
@Dillon Mcconnell Different peoples lived in the same place--sometimes concurrently, and sometimes not--so they each call it home. It happens everywhere in the world, and it doesn't mean they don't know their history.
in the chronicles of cabaez de vaca, he came across quite a few different cannibalistic tribes while journeying from Florida's gulf coast to the baja peninsula(pacific). I was surprised when researching his writings of his accounts of so many different tribes and customs. his writings were from the early 1500's and some of the earliest accounts of native americans
The book of cabeza de vaca’s journey is an amazing history. Life is gnarly. Let’s learn as much from history and science as we can.
It might be a good story but it's not the standard of proof.
Yeah I read captain's cook's journals and I think he said something about cannibals. Not from America but they did it back then.
In the National Geographic magazine from long ago showed cannibals were all over the place, and quite a story about them
He was from Jerez Spain im from Jerez Mexico 😂
God bless for the intelligent minds that continue to search for the truths!! Don't ever STOP!!!! LUV from Flagstaff, Arizona !!!
Thank you for posting! Seems unfortunate this piece didn't bother to ask the POV of Dineh Nation (Navajo). Some clans retained an oral history from this period and they knew Anasazi.
What did the Cannibal who showed up late to dinner get ?
The "Cold Shoulder"
Haha... In Brazil one of the tribesmen used to make their captives go to the dinner area while having feet and hands tied saying " here comes your food bouncing"...
Serena Gabriel omg ! I got tears 👍
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That's a groaner....
It’s got nothing to do with culture. There have been traces of cannibalism in early Europe, Mexico, other parts of Central America and some other countries. What your ancestors did has nothing to do with you for the most part.
I grew up in the 4 corner's. Mesa Verde was literally my backyard. I can tell you now that natives, especially utes and navajos are not peaceful people and never have been. There is no doubt in my mind that the Anasazi where capable of cannibalism! Especially when you consider the years of drought when plant foods and game where scarce.
You can’t say that! It stops the narrative that white peoples are the bad ones. We all know you can’t criticise people of colour. You can only criticise white people.
Just don't know why they ate so many instead of moving...like where is the cultural proof of how they picked who got eaten
Jill Worrell why would they write down how they killed and ate people? That's like admitting they were doing it and were that aware. People usually only eat people as a last, desperate result.
True but drought and famine were not a problem at that time and place. They were eating each other in large numbers for cultural reasons. My suspicion is a religion developed wherein they captured enemies, sacrificed them, as did the Aztecs, and then ate them.
@@nerthus4685 there is clear evidence of drought. As a matter of fact, that area has a history of drought in cycles.
Wow… I knew I had an erie unpleasant feeling when visiting the Chaco canyon. It gave me the chills. Now I know why.
They were wiped out by genocide after 1492
The gentleman of native American descent sounded more like a defense attorney than a historian.
This doesn't surprise me at all. Bronze age cultures around the world were a lot more brutal than people give them credit for. I visited a castle in Scotland once, and there was an "execution pit" right next to it.
I visited a prison that was closed 30 years ago that became a museum and they had an electric chair in the first exhibit....
Gavlick Apthesycerski mountjoy jail in Ireland (where Kevin Barry was hung) still has the hangnans noose and the scaffold (or gallows depending on where you're from) is still in working order to this day. It's not open to the public since mountjoy is still a working prison but the. guy in charge of his gristly little "museum" still keeps all the equipment polished and maintained
I'm Scottish🤗
em, that's not that bad..the assyrians are laughing at you from hgistory
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Up near my family's reservation at Welpinit Washington USA there were tribes known to be cannibals for sure, thought of more so as ceremonial. Cheers to consistently amazing content- Daniel Smith
Southwest tribes have recently been saying from their oral traditions saying they were into cannabalism, but one day "evil cryptid creatures" came & killed, tore apart & ate many of these folk & they never recovered!!!!!! They just "reaped what they sowed" !!!!!
Just because it hurts someone's feelings does not mean it isn't true. Facts do not care about feelings. There is evidence of cannibalism in the Anasazi area at the time they lived there.
Why even talk about how some tribes are offended? Of course they don't like the idea of their ancestors having been cannibals at times, the whole idea of cannibalism has been utterly demonized in modern society. But what most people don't realize is that cannibalism was a common practise in times of need in the past, even here in "civilized" Europe, our ancestors ate their kinsmen at times. People need to understand that they cannot apply modern sensibilities to the past.
Same goes for the "barbaric" sacrifices of New World people, it's not exclusive to the New World. Carthage sacrificed children, it is hypocritical to look at these western civilizations and awe at their achievements, but then call the civilizations of the New World barbaric because they did something that the previous civilizations also did.
joujou264 Europeans ate human during harsh times, and during pre-historic times. Native Americans (from south to north) are people because that is what they did. Wonder why they never developed? Wonder why Christianity is necessary in society?
Brazuca Real Christianity is a myth a fairytale used to control people just like every religion. God isn’t real. Christianity like is a mental illness and a cult.
Because someone who was offended murdered the scientist's predecessor.
@@lilndnfeather God is real he healed me and protected me !
Once you are dead, the self or the cells individually is dead
It's protein that is going to entropy and choosing your involvement in that is important
Native Americans need to relax: my culture is Fijian - famous for cannibalism! It happens. Its history. What happens in the past we don't let it define our culture because cannibalism doesn't define human culture despite the fact that it did occur throughout the world.
Agree with you 100 percent A Concerned World Citizen, no-one is responsible for their ancestors deeds, hopefully humanity will change and learn not to be like past ancestors to heal humanity and our world. But I guess that is going to take many future generations before humanity wakes up.
Maybe the Indians are afraid their welfare aid will be cut back if something negative is proven? So silly, accepting facts is part of rising above your station in life...
It's not your/their fault. If you live on an island... there's not enough protein to sustain a growing population.
@@krisschaefer876 that's not why cannibalism was adopted and used in Fiji - its a long story, but basically nothing to do with cannibalism being a nutrition supplement in this case either. In most cases through out the world, Cannibalism rarely is used as a nutrition supplement.
@Drinking Water how do you know? See the problem with this pathetic and desperately feverish fear of "PR" consequences of any association with cannibalism? Its hilariously sad! Cannibalism happens - why should ANY Indigenous tribe invest any energy in making sure they are without cannibalism association, when whoever is inquiring their ethnicity is guilty of cannibalism themselves! Everyone's ancestors have almost certainly done it or party to it at some point in the past 10,000 - 50,000 years. Its like getting hysterical about abortions: men and women have been aborting fetuses since time in memorial - all cultures, all eras. Now, its not pleasant - it slashes the Pastoral canvas many of us have romanticized about our forebears - but that was a part of our human story, nonetheless.
Chaco Canyon. Chaco means in Navajo “place of mourning”. Like a sad place because Anasazi weren’t good people.
So I reckon we're supposed to discard science because "feelings".
and religion!
Science says they are mongoloids from Asia. “Feelings” say they are indigenous native Americans 🤣
Sscience is very protective of their already established theory of mankind..Today when a discovery contradicts mainstream belief , it's likely that the discoverer will be scorned and all but exiled from their scientific peers
This is the world we live in my friend. It's scary, think about earth in 40 years? Good thing I, more than likely will be dead.
@Prairiedoggen
They must have wanted people to know because they could have dried the bones and pulverized them..They chose to just discard them with toolmarks on them the same as with animals they did eat !
It's amazing how the truth can be staring people in the face, and they still don't want to accept it. And then to top it all off, there are those "experts" who are purposely deceitful, and cover up the truth thru their purposeful ignorance(even lies).
None of this is an attack on a certain people. There is a very true dark history to all mankind, which originated in sin, the powers of darkness and the evil one. This was a really good video!
It’s an attack on all people, except certain few.
@@chuckjones9316 How the truth an attack on anyone living today
It's not that they were trying to hide anything. Believe or not, before around the 70's, archeologist's didn't look for signs of cannibalism there and in many other sites
This is disturbing to people,it does not condemn anyone,only, we are suffering from “the Disney syndrome “.Americans want everything to be fun…
Except History , and if you were not taught rudimentary,you can blame The Catholic Church…
Exactly read the Bible and the fallen angels who visited the Anasazi and demanded human sacrifice in order to gain the knowledge from the fallen ones. I'm native American and I'm not offended
When science screams it... it most likely happened. It's been done throughout history for different reasons. People who LABEL an act as politically incorrect are the ones who should be silenced.
Like all democrats?
@@timoneil1193 found the American
I just found out recently im native American and Anasazi and still f8nding out more of our history so amazing !!!
According to the Dineh there are NO descendants of the Anasazi. That would most likely make you a Pueblo.
Hey congrats 🎉 I strongly feel akin as well although my native history happened inVirginia. I love all these nations tribes and history. We should never be ashamed of what our ancestors had to endure and sacrifice in the name of life! That's why we are here!! In the horrific chaos of learning loving fighting and pleasure we are somehow evolving. Aren't we?
Lies, my great great grandmother was Indigenous black creek Indian and the slave master daughter. She died upset seeing her millions of years of history rewritten by "white man lies
I am also 50% native american. I find it interesting that something happened to the Anasazi in the 1250s which is about the same time the Aztecs made their appearance in the valley of Mexico. Could it be that they Hopis and others in the area pushed them out of that northern area? Could it be that the ones that turned to cannibalism got shunned by their neighbors? The Aztec stories say that they came from a place called "Aztlan". So many words with "AZ" in them. Coincidence? Maybe a few came from Meso American to influence them and after their practices were shunned they were guided to the valley of Mexico.
You have the same theories I do. Also the similarities between Navajo/Apache language and Aztec is striking.
Witch hunt probably gone too far, wouldnt doubt their neighbor tribes wanted that whole group gone not even sparing the good ones which were the majority of their population
@@derekbigpowers1993 well yeah historically southwestern native tribes also came from the mayans/aztecs, thats why they share alot of things in common with some of their practices and some of the witchcraft
Cannibalism comes in many forms. If you eat directly the bodies of your own people, that is one form. Another form is the indirect eating of your own...for profit. US Calvary Scouts were predominantly Native. They ate off what they earned from using their skill to hunt their own kind. Today, most US Tribes are by the same definition, Cannibalistic. They use the enrollment numbers and poverty stats of their own members to hunt and win US Federal Grants, which then only profit and enrich the Indians at the TOP. The poor Indians at the bottom are kept poor, thus enslaved to this predatory system. Of course lots of DC Democrats profit off kickbacks from Tribes, but WHO CARES. Who???
Yes
I'm no archaeologist, but I theorize that one reason that the Anasazi built their shelters partially underground was to escape the heat. If you build shelters partially underground, you avoid most of the heat. If the shelters were 3 stories into the ground, it probably felt like modern day air conditioning down there lol
Good point , it seem really cool down
I grew up in northwest Arizona and we built our houses about 4 feet into the ground. It did indeed keep it cool in the summer and warm in winter.
If we go back far enough in time, every ones ancestors, here and there have practiced cannibalism, for some reason or another.
Yes. And that´s not a theory, it´s proved!
@Wyn S and how did you like it? Is this something you might do in the future? And would you think about cooking that product maybe adding spices like lemon pepper or other spices to your liking? How about a foot, would you eat a foot?
@Wyn S hmm 🤨 ok i understand. But hey all will be ok 👍🏻!
I would rather just take the L if it ever came to this
Spoken like a true addict.
As Diné, I feel bad for the guy because he is looking at this with curiosity and following the evidence. Main point is no one knows for sure but a knowledgeable trained professional looked into it and simply communicated his findings. If science can back it up and you don’t like it use the same method to make your argument. Simply denying science doesn’t get anyone anywhere. We Diné viewed Anasazi as evil due to their practices. Our ancestors knew they did things that were not in harmony so, there is a historical indigenous perspective that something was amiss.
This dude was "Facts don't care about your feelings" before it was cool.
If human beings practiced eating human flesh, which they have and still do, how does observing that equal de-humanizing a population? Just the opposite, I think.
Honestly, I find it odd that so many are offended by the assertion of cannibalism present in a society, especially when it has been observed, documented the globe over, across the ages, as well as various 'races' having participated in the practice. White Europeans had a fine practice of incorporating various body parts of their deceased into their 'medicines' and nobody seems offended by that practice. Just saying...
As an American of European descent, yes, using deceased human bodies for "medicine" is offensive (and sadly still done today, via the organs of aborted embryonic-and-fetal-stage babies). Prevalence doesn't make something right.
Ahh and British royalty was family inbreeding to keep bloodline pure
I’m glad that we’ve evolved from cannibalism. We eat our own using a different method.
Yes, especially as modern vaccines, medicines and some food additives contain foetal stem cell or other tissues.
Yes, but Europeans built civilizations.
When i was a teenager i was obsessed with cliff dwellings. I had posters of the area on my wall. Well 30 years later we find my grandmothers mother was on the census for pueblo reservation. All i can say is "Wow". This came up after dna test done by my sister stating over 60% native. We are mixed with other things as well but I feel like that small part of my history was calling me to remember something. ❤
I can't imagine being upset about things done by ancestors 1000 years ago. I believe all cultures at those remote times may have resorted to cannibalism in times of famine or other resons, it doesn't mean anything for us now one way or another.
Exactly!!!! There are cases of cannibalism even nowadays "even" in Europe for example for religious reasons and other reasons.
Thank you. Finally someone without paper thin skin. I think we're all animals pretending to be something else. You starve any animal and it will eat his best friend.
My own background is Celtic, English ( Angle-ish and Saxon) with a touch of Maliseet. There is evidence that there is a scientifically (i.e. reality supported) supported body of evidence that human cultures have committed human sacrifice under circumstances unique to their culture, time and place. Surely, today we cannot be egotistical enough to think the scientists and documentors are finding evidence that is damning and dehumanizing of us personally today. It is just the opposite, it allows us to know the human story, our histories. This is the story of humanity in all its dark being enlightened by kinder minds. We as a human race must stop the "we are better than you" and meet this phenomenon with understanding, not umbrage and exception.
Yes and you know what, it has nothing to do with native Americans Being able to say they shouldn't. Have been massacred. What you get a pass for genocide if the people are violent? You shouldn't have to say you wer perfect to discuss the history. The mythology however is just plain old racism and many races do this, say they aren't part of the human condition. why, I don't know. maybe because it justifies further violence against others.
@@music4music237 yeah people have been using demonizing of whole groups as justification for wholesale slaughter and genocide for 1000s of years its time for it to stop.
Some druids practiced cannibalism, too.
Dahmer?
Maybe natives also practiced genocide since there was no white,black or asian people on either north or south America 🤔
I'm Mexican and I learned about these rituals when I was at uni, I never felt offended, my ancestors killed and ate human flesh as part of religious ceremonies. What I find offensive is misinformation, the aztecs did not sell the flesh in the market, that would have been sacrilege. Human sacrifices can be compared to the catholic ritual of the mass, where you must believe that you are consuming the flesh and blood of a god or else you do not have faith in the sacrament. Those sacrified where, after the fact, compared to something as close to a god as humanly possible and were treated as such, which is why they were eaten.
Finally! Some truth
Agree cannibalism was happening all over the world ...Europe, Africa, Asia and so on everywhere you find a cases ...people were collecting heads of defeated enemies and so on...even Celts and so on
Except the Priests were Never sacrificed !!! How Convenient !!!
Human flesh was for the slaves, at least that's what ive read, and Aztec also said " human meat taste like pork" . How true? Idk ? Just throwing it out there.
@Santina Murphy it's something I've read.
Interesting theory, there is a youtube video from a Navajo Elder where he says the Anasazi preyed upon their neighbors until they were overthrown and erased, their former victims becoming the Pueblo. History is probably somewhere between this and the stories the tribes tell themselves, as societies can be the result of former enemies forged into one by the fall of one civilization
The Diné arrived in the Àmerican Southwest long after the abandonment of the Colorado Plateau by the Ancestral Puebloans.
We savor the wisdom & poetry of the Storytellers & respect the scientists.
Christy Turner was a good man..
And turns out the Hopi, Zuñi, & Rio Grande Puebloans did very well indeed where they settled (& remain today)