It´s a huge pile of sand. Amazing. 42000 Kg of sand for a 3000 kilowatthour storage. Actually storing 1 kWh in 14 kg of sand doesn´t sound too bad if a li-ion battery also weighs 6 kg and a ton of sand only costs about $40. If all of this could be moved underground the better.
The best way to run a fossil fuel plant is full load. If we can not just get the waste heat from the plant but the usually cheap power at night and then use that stored in sand heat to keep the green houses warm would be great. More green houses farther north.
Only some natural gas power plant has exhaust heat hot enough to be usable. For instance, the combined-cycle natural gas plants redirect their waste heat to drive a secondary steam turbine to add another 25% to 50% more power. But most waste heat from fossil fuel power plants is considered low-grade heat that's not that useful. In the longer term, the best way to run a fossil fuel power plant is to shut it down. Then salvage/rebuild/upgrade/reuse its infrastructure to make an extra-large sand/thermal/battery/hydrogen energy storage and use its existing grid interconnects to run a turbine or inverters to output electricity to the grid at night. 👍
@ and yes, of course it’s best to not run fossil fuel plants at all. But until that point we should run them at their most efficient. Fewer of them at higher loads etc. as is safe for dispatching. And again yes we should reuse as much as their infrastructure as we can. I don’t see any type of sand battery in my life time to be larger enough to make an old fossil fuel plants infrastructure useful. Way too much loss in just heating it up.
From $37K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
Oh, yeah. I was able to achieve that with the help of my coach /Mrs Sandra Maria Ferraguti❤️❤️❤️❤️ and she's a licensed broker and successful entrepreneur from the state.Her top-notch guidance and expertise on digital market changed the game for me.Note!:: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!!
More heat….more headaches. Trying to run a power plant with this is insane, there is a reason that PV is replacing most solar thermal plants. Simple is more reliable and less costly
It seems like sand would not have to be replenished or replaced. Is that true? Glad to see this video. I have known about this for some time, but the U.S. is so slow to enact ideas from overseas because pushback.
Im having a hard time understanding this but anything to get away from lithium I'm always willing to learn more! Traditional batteries are way too expensive for the current time.
The problem with central urban heating is some central authority decides when to turn on the heat for the season. If winter weather comes earlier than expected but the central authority has plans to start next week all of the homes in the area are going to suffer the early cold weather. I do not want anyone else deciding when I use electricity or energy and what purpose I will use it for. Since I am paying for it, I am the one who is going to decide what I use and when I use it.
It starts the moment the temperature outside falls under a certain threshold, not when some guy decides to turn it on. In my experience, it starts way sooner than I need to use the heater, like 2 months earlier
Fantastic discussion. This seems a no-brainer. However, reading a comments I always come away feeling disgusted that we have so many foolish humans who have been fed fossil garbage... Human maggots regurgitating without thinking anymore. Sad state of our society.
i think one possible product using this technology, for residential use. could be a pc cooler block that can be installed in a house. My brother run his gaming pc in his bedroom, and right now in the uk its winter, outside its near freezing some days. but his bedroom is boiling hot, so he sits there with his window open, fans blowing, trying to cool the room. If it was possibly to take the heat out of his pc and put it into a thermal mass like a sand battery, even just say under his bed, so it slow releases over the night time, and gets heated up during the day. i think it'd be far better energy usage. Because right now he's literally just dumping energy out the window.
Its kinda silly. The losses and iefficiencies must be huge. just use a simple water battery - pump the water up during excess energy and release it to flow down and generate power when required. We already have all the infrastructure and don't have to double up on pipes. Might as well convert the power into heat where it is required. Almost like these guys are looking for a poor solution to a solved problem.
Please make a video on China's upcoming Space-based solar stations. Also make a video on the company "Realbotix" that makes robots which take the form of the androids in the upcoming movie called Companion.
Right? Take advantage of the insulation and thermal equilibrium of being underground. But OTOH, digging a large hole probably costs more than making a large silo surrounded by a fcµkton of insulation. A silo would be easier to service, too.
@@subhobroto this only can have savings if there is time of use billing for the electricity. Cheap electricity during the day off solar, and heat used at night.
@@JeffBartlett-kj6sq that use case is absolutely fine, in fact, precisely my use case. I just am not interested in a centralized source but something I have control and ownership over
@@JeffBartlett-kj6sq Are there existing designs I can look into? It sounds pretty simple to bury some heating elements in the sand vs customizing a sink for a heat pump. There's 2 acres of free space to do anything, sand, panels, anything so it's not like I'm constrained on PV input and have to look at a high COP while increasing the complexity of the system, especially one that has no precursor or tested prototype.
Man , you always deliver . I spoke with them about 1.5 years ago from western Canada ( I called them and left msg and they called me back ) . I asked about smaller version that would be suitable for a smaller house . Did they mention if that is a possibility? I was told that they only focus on large silos .
Considering that we've seen the videos of people melting rocks with Fresnel lenses from old LCDs, it would be great to see all of that sunlight falling on the ground, being redirected and focused on the core.
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As any Aussie knows, sand gets bloody hot
It´s a huge pile of sand. Amazing. 42000 Kg of sand for a 3000 kilowatthour storage. Actually storing 1 kWh in 14 kg of sand doesn´t sound too bad if a li-ion battery also weighs 6 kg and a ton of sand only costs about $40. If all of this could be moved underground the better.
Fair point but its a prototype. That is an obvious refinement.
Ric what an Excellent show, you always come thru !
The best way to run a fossil fuel plant is full load. If we can not just get the waste heat from the plant but the usually cheap power at night and then use that stored in sand heat to keep the green houses warm would be great. More green houses farther north.
Only some natural gas power plant has exhaust heat hot enough to be usable. For instance, the combined-cycle natural gas plants redirect their waste heat to drive a secondary steam turbine to add another 25% to 50% more power. But most waste heat from fossil fuel power plants is considered low-grade heat that's not that useful.
In the longer term, the best way to run a fossil fuel power plant is to shut it down. Then salvage/rebuild/upgrade/reuse its infrastructure to make an extra-large sand/thermal/battery/hydrogen energy storage and use its existing grid interconnects to run a turbine or inverters to output electricity to the grid at night. 👍
@ I am talking for green houses. Low grade is fine
@ and yes, of course it’s best to not run fossil fuel plants at all. But until that point we should run them at their most efficient. Fewer of them at higher loads etc. as is safe for dispatching. And again yes we should reuse as much as their infrastructure as we can.
I don’t see any type of sand battery in my life time to be larger enough to make an old fossil fuel plants infrastructure useful. Way too much loss in just heating it up.
The Thumbnail - it is “Finnish”, not “Finish”.
I happen to be half Finnish, but not completely finished.
Haha. Was going to say the same.
🇫🇮 FINNISH indeed!
From $37K to $45K that's the minimum range of profit return every week I think it's not a bad one for me, now I have enough to pay bills and take care of my family.
I'm highly inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned
Oh, yeah. I was able to achieve that with the help of my coach /Mrs Sandra Maria Ferraguti❤️❤️❤️❤️ and she's a licensed broker and successful entrepreneur from the state.Her top-notch guidance and expertise on digital market changed the game for me.Note!:: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!!
Wow 😱Wow 😱 her too
Miss Sandra Maria Ferraguti is a remarkable individual who has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.
Can't imagine seasoned earning $85,000 biweekly, God bless Ms Sandra Maria Ferraguti, God bless America 🇺🇸❤️
She appears to be well-educated and well read. i ran a Google search on her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.
More heat….more headaches. Trying to run a power plant with this is insane, there is a reason that PV is replacing most solar thermal plants. Simple is more reliable and less costly
You should check out CARBO Ceramics. They have solid particle technology that can be heated to 1000 C.
Ok if this is possible it's awesome because tech and materials used are cheap and abundant.
Great video
It seems like sand would not have to be replenished or replaced. Is that true? Glad to see this video. I have known about this for some time, but the U.S. is so slow to enact ideas from overseas because pushback.
Im having a hard time understanding this but anything to get away from lithium I'm always willing to learn more! Traditional batteries are way too expensive for the current time.
The problem with central urban heating is some central authority decides when to turn on the heat for the season. If winter weather comes earlier than expected but the central authority has plans to start next week all of the homes in the area are going to suffer the early cold weather. I do not want anyone else deciding when I use electricity or energy and what purpose I will use it for. Since I am paying for it, I am the one who is going to decide what I use and when I use it.
That's why you keep an Oil-filled Radiator Heater as a backup heater that you can use to fill in during an early cold snap.
Space heaters
It starts the moment the temperature outside falls under a certain threshold, not when some guy decides to turn it on. In my experience, it starts way sooner than I need to use the heater, like 2 months earlier
Tell me you’re an American without telling me. 😂 Our country is doomed with brains like yours…
At what % conversion efficiency? 5%?
So do they use a frictionless pump, like a pendulum pump for moving the air?
hahaha almost as good as a warm potato in your pocket:)
Rondo Heat Battery are very interesting technology 🤔 😳 👌 😊
Cool technology, but there's no way the round-trip efficiency for electricity generation is 50%.
Fantastic discussion. This seems a no-brainer. However, reading a comments I always come away feeling disgusted that we have so many foolish humans who have been fed fossil garbage... Human maggots regurgitating without thinking anymore. Sad state of our society.
i think one possible product using this technology, for residential use. could be a pc cooler block that can be installed in a house.
My brother run his gaming pc in his bedroom, and right now in the uk its winter, outside its near freezing some days. but his bedroom is boiling hot, so he sits there with his window open, fans blowing, trying to cool the room.
If it was possibly to take the heat out of his pc and put it into a thermal mass like a sand battery, even just say under his bed, so it slow releases over the night time, and gets heated up during the day. i think it'd be far better energy usage. Because right now he's literally just dumping energy out the window.
Its kinda silly. The losses and iefficiencies must be huge.
just use a simple water battery - pump the water up during excess energy and release it to flow down and generate power when required. We already have all the infrastructure and don't have to double up on pipes. Might as well convert the power into heat where it is required.
Almost like these guys are looking for a poor solution to a solved problem.
Are you proud of being so scientifically illiterate?
What happens if the ambient temperature is below freezing?
Please make a video on China's upcoming Space-based solar stations. Also make a video on the company "Realbotix" that makes robots which take the form of the androids in the upcoming movie called Companion.
Does it use beam transfer to transfer solar energy?
KEEP IT SIMPLE. BUILD UNDER GROUND.
Right? Take advantage of the insulation and thermal equilibrium of being underground. But OTOH, digging a large hole probably costs more than making a large silo surrounded by a fcµkton of insulation. A silo would be easier to service, too.
I don't know if underground makes sense isn't the mass of the earth just going to dissipate the heat faster than the air? Serious question
@@mrhackerman4817 Depending on where you are one has to dig down anywhere from 12 to 40 feet to get where the temperature would be constant.
Will s Sand Battery be a practical solution for a rural single family home in San Diego on a 2 acre space lot?
@@subhobroto this only can have savings if there is time of use billing for the electricity. Cheap electricity during the day off solar, and heat used at night.
@@JeffBartlett-kj6sq that use case is absolutely fine, in fact, precisely my use case. I just am not interested in a centralized source but something I have control and ownership over
@@subhobroto if you do not need high temp, charge the sand with a heat pump
@@JeffBartlett-kj6sq Are there existing designs I can look into? It sounds pretty simple to bury some heating elements in the sand vs customizing a sink for a heat pump. There's 2 acres of free space to do anything, sand, panels, anything so it's not like I'm constrained on PV input and have to look at a high COP while increasing the complexity of the system, especially one that has no precursor or tested prototype.
@subhobroto look at geothermal research. Reverse the extraction of heat from the ground loop.
The problem with sand batteries is that it's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
Don't play in it and it won't be an issue.
Man , you always deliver . I spoke with them about 1.5 years ago from western Canada ( I called them and left msg and they called me back ) . I asked about smaller version that would be suitable for a smaller house . Did they mention if that is a possibility? I was told that they only focus on large silos .
Fantastic info as always - thanks for your hard and insightful work!!!
🤗🙏THX RICKY 💯 FOR FUTURE POSSIBILITIES 💚💚💚
Finish or Finnish ? 😂
Great job! Thank you so much for such interesting content! 🐱💞
Considering that we've seen the videos of people melting rocks with Fresnel lenses from old LCDs, it would be great to see all of that sunlight falling on the ground, being redirected and focused on the core.
Finnish, not Finish :)
Good, you are off your political soap box and back to why we watch you.
What are you even referring to?
What?
@@therationalcenter The LA fires video