That's a pretty weak explanation to move from the "the fruit of the vine" to alcohol. Christ's blood was pure clean and undefiled. Pure as the fruit of the vine. Such a shame.
Thank you for pointing that out. Could you please point out where "Welch's" grape juice would have been found in ancient Israel? If you are going to call his biblical argument "weak" at least give a chapter and verse to consider. Keep in mind they're still making grape juice available to those who choose not to. I am going to take the Welch's but really just out of habit.
Pick grapes, crush them, and then seal the juice in a bottle before storing in a cool place. It’ll explode from the gasses produced during the process of spontaneous fermentation, because there’s wild yeast already incorporated into the juice/must. Grape juice is pasteurized in order to kill the yeast and prevent fermentation, so to argue for using dead fruit of the vine to represent the living blood of Christ is kinda ironic imo. Plus, non fermented grape juice was invented in America in the early-mid 1800’s to help the teetotaler movement, which would have alcohol banned nationwide less than a century later. It was a political tool. Jesus made wine, not grape juice, people weren’t drinking grape juice at celebrations, they were already well drunk when Jesus’s wine was brought out. And the fact that harvest is in the fall and Passover is in the spring proves that the wine drank in the last supper had fermented and aged for at least 6 months. Without the alcohol content, it would have spoiled much sooner than that. So did they have moldy inedible in fermented juice, or did they have a wine that was perfectly safe to drink? Which is the better representation for Christ’s living blood?
They used to have grape juice before refrigeration, so that isn’t quite true. It’s just it could only be consumed within a certain period of the year. Grapes today have a higher sugar content and yeasts are hardier meaning higher alcohol content. Fundamentally, there are no benefits to wine when we can just drink grape juice. It’s crazy to think any Christian would knowingly consume a feminising, carcinogenic compound.
That's a pretty weak explanation to move from the "the fruit of the vine" to alcohol. Christ's blood was pure clean and undefiled. Pure as the fruit of the vine. Such a shame.
Thank you for pointing that out. Could you please point out where "Welch's" grape juice would have been found in ancient Israel?
If you are going to call his biblical argument "weak" at least give a chapter and verse to consider.
Keep in mind they're still making grape juice available to those who choose not to. I am going to take the Welch's but really just out of habit.
Thank you for commenting
Pick grapes, crush them, and then seal the juice in a bottle before storing in a cool place. It’ll explode from the gasses produced during the process of spontaneous fermentation, because there’s wild yeast already incorporated into the juice/must.
Grape juice is pasteurized in order to kill the yeast and prevent fermentation, so to argue for using dead fruit of the vine to represent the living blood of Christ is kinda ironic imo.
Plus, non fermented grape juice was invented in America in the early-mid 1800’s to help the teetotaler movement, which would have alcohol banned nationwide less than a century later. It was a political tool.
Jesus made wine, not grape juice, people weren’t drinking grape juice at celebrations, they were already well drunk when Jesus’s wine was brought out.
And the fact that harvest is in the fall and Passover is in the spring proves that the wine drank in the last supper had fermented and aged for at least 6 months. Without the alcohol content, it would have spoiled much sooner than that.
So did they have moldy inedible in fermented juice, or did they have a wine that was perfectly safe to drink? Which is the better representation for Christ’s living blood?
They used to have grape juice before refrigeration, so that isn’t quite true. It’s just it could only be consumed within a certain period of the year. Grapes today have a higher sugar content and yeasts are hardier meaning higher alcohol content. Fundamentally, there are no benefits to wine when we can just drink grape juice. It’s crazy to think any Christian would knowingly consume a feminising, carcinogenic compound.
@@HighCarbDiabeticV Correct, Presbyterians however generally never drink alcohol apart from the supper.