Your correct in stating that recalls are getting out of hand. I've worked in the automotive industry for many years at the dealership level and have seen it literally blow up beyond what seems reasonable. I've worked at numerous dealerships and seen the number of recalls they have. I've worked at Toyota dealerships several times as well as that of domestic manufactures and other imports. Upon my second stint with Toyota it seems like they were on par with Ford for recalls. Not a good sign for either manufacturer! And while Toyota did do a fair number of things better, other things were a major surprise. An example was the number of driveshafts and rear differentials we replaced on their AWD SUVs and minivan. Honestly, more than I've sold at every, GM, Ford, Japanese, and German import brand combined, and in a much short time period too. That said, working at Ford, I've seen far too many engines and transmissions needing to be repaired or replaced. As for recalls though, there has to be many reasons why they are increasing aside from more scrutiny by regulators. Vehicles today are much more complex, they contain an immense amount of technology, miles of wires, dozens of modules, sensors, switches, and the lines of code to make everything work and every system communicate with each other it should, it should be a surprise anything actually does work as well as it does. Sure, one has to wonder just how much testing they actually do, and how thoroughly they test as recalls sometimes hit before a dozen cars even hit the dealership lots. But with the complexity and need to produce something that anyone can even afford to buy is quite a huge task when you also consider the regulations which also much be met with those costs being tens of millions of dollars before a single vehicle is sold. I'm also not excusing the manufacturer's though, as many of these recalls that I've seen are simply because they've gone too cheap on either engineering or production. I mean, motor vehicles have been in production well in excess of 100 years, you'd think by now we'd know what you can/can't do in producing a reliable component, yet it never fails that someone decides to cut costs here or there with a resulting recall to fix their obvious cheapness/stupidity.
As a customer I made the choice of Yukon XL over LX600. Both approximately the same price. Both vehicles with engine issues though the Toyota TTV6 issues were still vague and the recall would come out a month later. With the Chevy Small Block (which also just replaces the motor with a crate engine) at least an individual owner could prevent the issue entirely (cam, lifters, and flash to turn off AFM). With the Toyota/Lexus the owner cannot prevent it. The thought of spending this kind of money and just waiting for the motor to die before it can get fixed/replaced is just unacceptable to me.
I think Toyota's reliability reputation is largely misunderstood. It's not that Toyota comes up with next level designs that are inherently reliable. Instead they keep the same vehicle generation for decades and have just been making it for so long that they've worked out every single bug. Welp, with this new gen Tacoma, 4Runner, Grand Highlander and Land Cruiser that cycle starts over again. So Toyota will be reliable... in another 10 years.
I don’t think any manufacturer is trying to make bad cars, I believe regulations and profitability are the main issues. But, Toyota will bounce back and so will the other manufacturers.
I don't think that's true at all. Toyota made reliable cars because it was the same car they had been making for almost 15 years, so they just had all the bugs worked out. Now that cycle starts over again. Give them 10 more years and it should be ok.
Naw their just good at cutting corners and not telling consumers what extras are needed to run the safety system that Toyota is supposed to be famous for! 50$ a mth for navigation and staying in the lines is BS and not even plugging in your phone will fix that which is what I was told I need to do!
Anything is better. Cadillac, VW, Audi, BMW today all make a better car than any Honda or Lexota. The Japanese car industry peaked in the 1990s. Today they still live off and capitalize from a distant reputation for quality and reputation that is not in alignment with current reality. Basically, this is what GM (And Detroit) was in the 1970s: Delusional, disconnected and full of hubris.
I don't mind a rebuilt engine on my Taco with 300K on it. If I had a new Taco and the engine goes out quickly because of a manufacturing issue then I want a crate engine.
I bought a 2021 Corolla in Jan this year and found out it had a recall involving the passenger airbag - obviously couldn't post it on Turo and initially they said the fix ETA was Q3 this year......fix has now been updated to 2026! I posted it on Hyrecar and was going well until it was vandalized recently........all to say once I fix it I'm selling it to get something that I can post on Turo. Do you feel with all these recalls I should shy away from Toyota's - I buy these strictly for Turo btw.
I think to your point about safety standards increasing and automakers "not" catching these issues, it's a little bit of both. Look at the airline industry. Doors flying off airplanes because company wants to be more profitable and so the low-level employees work/quality/ethics/culture are attack by managers for speaking out about issues. Perhaps automakers are trying to do the "right thing" so that they don't have a "Boeing moment!" I think automakers know that it looks much worse for them if they have to explain themselves in front of congress about their issues on national television. With them being "pro-active" about it, yes, it looks bad but not worse than front-page targets for national media. Just compare the stock drop from Boeing when they started getting bad press, with Toyota stock when they announced recalls. Boeing is over 50% drop compared to 20% drop from toyota.
Warranties are legally binding contracts. Either that or a lawsuit😂 They are not doing it out of their goodness of their hearts or because they are happy😂
Your correct in stating that recalls are getting out of hand. I've worked in the automotive industry for many years at the dealership level and have seen it literally blow up beyond what seems reasonable.
I've worked at numerous dealerships and seen the number of recalls they have. I've worked at Toyota dealerships several times as well as that of domestic manufactures and other imports. Upon my second stint with Toyota it seems like they were on par with Ford for recalls. Not a good sign for either manufacturer!
And while Toyota did do a fair number of things better, other things were a major surprise. An example was the number of driveshafts and rear differentials we replaced on their AWD SUVs and minivan. Honestly, more than I've sold at every, GM, Ford, Japanese, and German import brand combined, and in a much short time period too.
That said, working at Ford, I've seen far too many engines and transmissions needing to be repaired or replaced.
As for recalls though, there has to be many reasons why they are increasing aside from more scrutiny by regulators. Vehicles today are much more complex, they contain an immense amount of technology, miles of wires, dozens of modules, sensors, switches, and the lines of code to make everything work and every system communicate with each other it should, it should be a surprise anything actually does work as well as it does.
Sure, one has to wonder just how much testing they actually do, and how thoroughly they test as recalls sometimes hit before a dozen cars even hit the dealership lots. But with the complexity and need to produce something that anyone can even afford to buy is quite a huge task when you also consider the regulations which also much be met with those costs being tens of millions of dollars before a single vehicle is sold.
I'm also not excusing the manufacturer's though, as many of these recalls that I've seen are simply because they've gone too cheap on either engineering or production. I mean, motor vehicles have been in production well in excess of 100 years, you'd think by now we'd know what you can/can't do in producing a reliable component, yet it never fails that someone decides to cut costs here or there with a resulting recall to fix their obvious cheapness/stupidity.
AND YOU PAY THE PRICE FOR IT TOO!!😮😢
Glad they're doing a crate engine vs a rebuild though
Agree!
The engine recall isn't a design flaw. Its a manufacturing/machining error. The V35A isn't a new engine. It came out in 2016 with the LS500.
As a customer I made the choice of Yukon XL over LX600. Both approximately the same price. Both vehicles with engine issues though the Toyota TTV6 issues were still vague and the recall would come out a month later. With the Chevy Small Block (which also just replaces the motor with a crate engine) at least an individual owner could prevent the issue entirely (cam, lifters, and flash to turn off AFM). With the Toyota/Lexus the owner cannot prevent it. The thought of spending this kind of money and just waiting for the motor to die before it can get fixed/replaced is just unacceptable to me.
I think Toyota's reliability reputation is largely misunderstood. It's not that Toyota comes up with next level designs that are inherently reliable. Instead they keep the same vehicle generation for decades and have just been making it for so long that they've worked out every single bug. Welp, with this new gen Tacoma, 4Runner, Grand Highlander and Land Cruiser that cycle starts over again. So Toyota will be reliable... in another 10 years.
I don’t think any manufacturer is trying to make bad cars, I believe regulations and profitability are the main issues. But, Toyota will bounce back and so will the other manufacturers.
I don't think that's true at all. Toyota made reliable cars because it was the same car they had been making for almost 15 years, so they just had all the bugs worked out. Now that cycle starts over again. Give them 10 more years and it should be ok.
Naw their just good at cutting corners and not telling consumers what extras are needed to run the safety system that Toyota is supposed to be famous for! 50$ a mth for navigation and staying in the lines is BS and not even plugging in your phone will fix that which is what I was told I need to do!
Toyota/Honda has gone apeshit with their prices. you might as well buy a new Cadillac for the same price.
Anything is better. Cadillac, VW, Audi, BMW today all make a better car than any Honda or Lexota. The Japanese car industry peaked in the 1990s. Today they still live off and capitalize from a distant reputation for quality and reputation that is not in alignment with current reality. Basically, this is what GM (And Detroit) was in the 1970s: Delusional, disconnected and full of hubris.
First year Subarus, for me, all had far more problems than models built a couple of years later in the cycle. Was true for Toyota as well.
I don't mind a rebuilt engine on my Taco with 300K on it. If I had a new Taco and the engine goes out quickly because of a manufacturing issue then I want a crate engine.
That makes no sense on a new truck , dude
Didn’t you say that Carvana has a problem? Their stock is at over $150, up from like $3.
How many recalls does Subaru have?
I bought a 2021 Corolla in Jan this year and found out it had a recall involving the passenger airbag - obviously couldn't post it on Turo and initially they said the fix ETA was Q3 this year......fix has now been updated to 2026! I posted it on Hyrecar and was going well until it was vandalized recently........all to say once I fix it I'm selling it to get something that I can post on Turo. Do you feel with all these recalls I should shy away from Toyota's - I buy these strictly for Turo btw.
Scotty won't like this at all.
Micjakes, Scotty’s already aware of it, and has reported on it.
Toyota does recalls for anything. They don’t want the heat. They’re recall happy.
Overpriced cars that break down. Toyota is done.
I think to your point about safety standards increasing and automakers "not" catching these issues, it's a little bit of both. Look at the airline industry. Doors flying off airplanes because company wants to be more profitable and so the low-level employees work/quality/ethics/culture are attack by managers for speaking out about issues. Perhaps automakers are trying to do the "right thing" so that they don't have a "Boeing moment!" I think automakers know that it looks much worse for them if they have to explain themselves in front of congress about their issues on national television. With them being "pro-active" about it, yes, it looks bad but not worse than front-page targets for national media. Just compare the stock drop from Boeing when they started getting bad press, with Toyota stock when they announced recalls. Boeing is over 50% drop compared to 20% drop from toyota.
Yeah, replaced with another defective engine.
likes on the up and upppp
if car company will just drive the vehicle they’re selling 5000 miles to make sure there’s no issue we wouldn’t have all these recalls
So you would want a used car for new car price? Got it!😂😂😂
Moral of the story
Don't kidnap babies
Toyota does recalls for anything. They don’t want the heat. They’re recall happy.
Warranties are legally binding contracts. Either that or a lawsuit😂 They are not doing it out of their goodness of their hearts or because they are happy😂