@@redraptorwrites6778 im 26 still love it it was the first dino show i ever watched with my dad it has a special place in my heart and the theme song opener is so memorable
I think something that doesn't get mentioned enough with WWD is that even though the models are extremely hit-or-miss and the biomechanics are now outdated, the actual animation, the movement of the dinosaurs, has more rigor and attention to detail than any other dinosaur documentary I've ever seen. Most people tasked with animating dinosaurs will just make them all uniformly floppy and jiggly, with exaggerated follow-through and unnaturally fluid movements, but the Walking With series takes extreme care to show every single animal moving in strict adherence with what was known about their biomechanics and ranges of motion at the time. Dinosaurs in general weren't as flexible as mammals tend to be, and WWD accurately reflects that, giving most of the dinosaurs extremely stiff torsos and limbs, but extremely mobile necks and bobbing heads, whereas even the most accurate recent documentaries have hyperflexible dinosaurs that flop around like they're made of rubber. WWD even goes the extra mile to show the tails moving in believable ways, actively counterbalancing the creature as it moves and shifts its weight, and swaying accurately as the animal walks. Again, most modern documentaries just kinda leave the tail there, flopping around and maybe wagging a bit, never really doing much to demonstrate what a vital and integral part of the body the tail was and how important its role in the animal's locomotion was. In general, every movement looks as if it's being driven by actual muscles, and every animal appears to have extremely precise control over their bodies, and this gives their movements a jerky, stiff appearance that genuinely looks like the movements of real animals, without any embellishment or compromise for the sake of the normal principles of animation. Real animals _aren't_ animated, after all. No other documentary that I can remember has come even close to matching the naturalistic movements of the animals in the Walking With series, and that's a damn shame, because the unique animations give the Walking With animals such a fascinating sense of character and realism that's just _missing_ from practically every other dinosaur documentary. I also want to take a moment to say that they did an excellent job not only making the dinosaurs feel real, but making the camera work feel as much like a genuine nature documentary as well. The number of unique camera angles per scene is extremely limited, as if the crew just stumbled across the scene and had to improvise the best positions on the spot, and in some cases handheld cameras are used as if they didn't even have time to set up because things were happening _right now_ and they needed to scramble to get it on film at all. There are multiple story moments where it's clear that the crew just didn't happen to catch the most dramatic moments on camera; we'll see failed hunts and then cut to the next day with the predators already feasting on a kill they made sometime in the night, animals will die offscreen and simply disappear, and it's clear at all times that the crew, and by extension the audience, aren't getting the whole picture, because these animals have lives beyond the camera, and can't always be counted on to do what's best for the camera when the crew happens to be nearby. It's a great dimension that makes the whole experience feel all the more real.
So true. These days a lot of animations are rendered well but look completely fake in motion. WWD looks still incredible because the motion looks real.
I absolutely agree and this might be an unpopular opinion but I think the new documentary Prehistoric planet failed to make the dinosaurs move like animals, I don’t know what but something feels off for me. Besides inaccuracies, I can’t find really much more issues with WWD
I completely agree with everything you say. The "accuracy" in a documentary is not only determined by the precision of the anatomy of the animals or by using the correct scientific names or placing them in their respective geographies properly; also, and very importantly, for the precision and naturalness of their movements. In this, WWD is simply unrivaled. That's why I think this documentary deserved a much higher rating than C+.
I know this comment is a year old but I hope you watched prehistoric planet because it does exactly that, especially with the camera angles and the dinosaurs movement looks really realistic (in my opinion at least)
Whoops I forgot to add a note that pterosaurus didn't have actual "fur" but pycnofibers. And I did not mean to imply that Postosuchus was a dinosaur. It ain't.
12:43 I'm pretty sure that feathers being ommited was largely out of graphical constraints, at the time having to animate fully feathered dinosaurs that wouldn't look like shit would've been prohibitively expensive, so that's why they went full scale coverings.
That's exactly correct. They tried to animate them with feathers, it was incredibly expensive for a show that was already costing them tens of thousands of dollars per minute of footage, and it was insanely hard to do in a way that didn't look terrible. You can check the "Trilogy of life" documentary, which is about the making of the film, and they talk about this, among a couple other issues like models not looking the same as the dinosaur, being due to funding issues and technical constraints.
Another note is that the Gigapleurodon was not only 4 times the length of a real Liopleurodon, but it was also stated to weigh 150 tons. Meaning that it would rival blue whales, the largest animals in the history of the world, in size.
Fun fact: Dr David Martill from Portsmouth University was a consultant for the WWD documentary series and he was the one who insisted (and to this day still insists) that Liopleurodon could reach up to 25metres.
from what I've heard is the size of the Liopluerodon was in reference to the "Monster of Aramberri" which at the time was thought to be Liopluerodon and now considered a unknown Pliosauroidea member
@@dineobellator_-yf7ki the tie in book _Walking with dinosaurs: the evidence_ stated that the inspiration for the Liopluerodon’s massive size were the jaw fragments from Oxford, and not the monster of aramberri like is commonly believed.
11:39 Okay, stop. The Australian animals in Antartica are from dinosaur cove in Victoria. Which was not only within the Antarctic circle, but connected directly to Antarctica, You look at it on a paleo map(Check out the one on the Australian museum's page it is much more accurate and has the south pole and circle added for reference) of the Albian of the Cretaceous and it is on the very border of the Australian plate. So yeah, they were found on the Australian side of that prehistoric border, but you know, if they were a few miles further south(like other members of the same species no doubt were) we'd not have found the fossils, becasue they'd have been still on Antarctica when Australia's plate set sail further north. We know those forests covered Antartica during the Albian, and the Australian region, would have been inhabited by those same animals found in southern Australia.
I was coming down here to say this. I will add that there are likely plenty of fossils hidden in Antarctica to confirm that these animals actually lived here but since people don't live down there and there are only a few research outposts expeditions for fossils don't happen as often.
And the "Polar Allosaur" still hasn't been fully classified. The claims of the predator being Australovenator have been phased out, and as of current, the dinosaur only has the designation of Allosaurus robustus
baryonyx was originally going to in Giant of the Skies but was likely replace by utahraptor, Baryonyx's design can be seen in some merchandise like the official sticker album.
A big reason they had featherless theropods is because making models and animations with feathers drastically increased the production cost. Most of the examples at the time of feathered dinosaurs were based off of smaller dinosaurs and not mid to large sized theropods. It wouldn't make sense to drive up production cost on something that, at the time, was loose speculation.
12:40 "None of this is shown" That isn't quite accurate if you look at the puppet pterosaur shots you can see they did place some fur on the pterosaurs though less than the animals probably had. You can't see the fur in the computer animated shots simply due to the low resolution of the 90s television budget computer animation. So I'd call that more of a technological limitation than a scientific inaccuracy
Honestly I don't care what anyone says Walking with dinosaurs will always have a special place in my heart it was the very first dinosaur documentary I ever watched as a kid and what got me in love with dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals
I actually did an art challenge a while back with friends where we gave each other fossils of animals we'd never seen before and didn't get to look up how they looked. We had to draw them based on the fossils. I got postosuchus and was baffled by its skeleton because it looked like a hybrid between a crocodile and a dinosaur, and the legs baffled me especially because I could not for the life of me tell if it walked on two or four legs. In the end, I wound up picking primarily four legs just like what paleontology originally thought, which I find very interesting. I guess the postosuchus posture confusion is universal.
13:40 = WWD's Leaellynasaura reconstruction is more a case of science marching on rather than poor research. The elongate tail specimen was not announced until 2009, and it remains unclear if it actually pertains to Leaellynasaura or not.
Actually the fossil the crew based on was called "Allosaurus robustus". BBC just said that it was Australovenator in their Walking with series companion book. BTW that fossil doesn't belong to Allosaur either.
Scaling issues aside the design of the liopleurodon is just beautiful and iconic on its own right to a point that many reconstructions use the color scheme and certain proportions, the right ones, even to this day, which speaks volumes about the show.
Personally, every time I see a Liopleurodon reproduction without that look, I think "that's not right", even though I know it's just artistic vision ^^
Coelophysis ... The absolute perfection of the ENTIRE Walking With franchise !!! My top favorite Dinosaur/creature of all !!! And the main reason why I love the Struthiomimus brothers from Land Before Time so much, since they are clearlly based on him.
@@pedrord19 Wait I was talking about that little guy in the Jurassic episode who was black with gray stripes. I have not watched it in a while and I’m not a certified expert on paleontology but I thought that small creature in the watering hole was Coelophysis right? Both of those creatures would have been significantly improved with feathers.
I feel like this docuseries will always be a good way to get people interested in Dinosaurs, even if the information is outdated nowadays, the passion that went into the portrayal of the lives of these animals do more to get people interested than any amount of accuracy could
As an accurate documentary from today's knowledge, it's an understandable grade. But for me, this was my introduction into the world of dinosaurs and prehistory. I wouldn't have been a dinosaur fan boy if it wasn't for this show. So good grade Red Raptor Writes, but this will always be my favorite. Also, forgive me, I won't watch your Prehistoric Planet review till I find a way to watch the series, I want to be surprised with what I see from that series. Keep up your amazing content, say safe and have a great day. P.S. Woody telling Allosaurus to shut up was hilarious, nice edit.
9:03 Actually, whatever the astragalus that the 'polar allosaur' featured in episode 5 of WWD was based on belonged to couldn't have been _Australovenator_ as the two animals were separated by about 20 million years. It isn't known exactly what the former animal was. It might have been an abelisaurid.
To be fair to the Quetzalcoatlus model it actually was a re-skinned Ornithocheirus. I am wondering if many of the faults were executive medling and budget.
No mention of how Anurognathus was straight up given the wrong lifestyle, being depicted like an oxpecker wannabe instead of having a niche similar to bats? TBH I thought that was up there with the Liopluerodon for inaccuracies.
Well thanks for bringing it up. I don't cover everything in these videos cause there's 3 hours of documentary to discuss so I appreciate commenters like you who add additional insight.
There was also the behaviour of plesiosaurs resting on land like turtles or seals. When, in reality, they would die if that ever happened. They would beach themselves if they came onto land just like the Lioplurodon did.
Even if this show is older then 20 years by now (going on 22-23 here soon I think?) the CGI is still absolutely GORGEOUS to this day. It still looks realistic with that rustic and grainy look added to the models, helping seam it into the areas the dinosaurs are CGI'd into. I love watching it so much still. I grew up with this one just like the others of this series (Beasts, monsters, etc) and White Tip's Journey, so maybe I'm biased, but as many inaccuracies as there are, it can still be used to teach younger people about Dinosaurs (as long as it's paired with other really good docus).
Here is the list of future documentaries. Comment if there's anything I'm missing. I'm considering adding Prehistoric Park, but I can't decide if it actually counts as a documentary or just a show that has dinosaurs. Allosaurus (2000) When Dinosaurs Roamed America (2001) Valley of the T rex (2001) Walking With Beasts (2001) Chased By Dinosaurs (2002-2003) Sea Monsters (2003) Dinosaur Planet (2003) The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs (2005) Walking With Monsters (2005) Prehistoric Park (2006) Dinosaurs Alive (2007) Giants of Patagonia (2007) Sea Monsters (2007) Jurassic Fight Club (2008) Monsters Resurrected (2009) Bizarre Dinosaurs (2009) Clash of the Dinosaurs (2009) March of the Dinosaurs (2011) Dinosaur Revolution (2011) Planet Dinosaur (2011) Monster Snake (2012) Dino King (2013) Walking With Dinosaurs Movie (2013) Bigger Than T rex (2014) Dinosaur Britain (2015) Dinosaurs in the Outback (2016) T. rex: An Evolutionary Journey (2016) Amazing Dinoworld (2018) Deadly Dinosaurs (2018)
Enjoyed the video and looking forward to the ongoing series. I'm actually working on my own review of _When Dinosaurs Roamed America_ since this year is the 20th anniversary of the show and after all the rightly justifiable love _Walking with Dinosaurs_ got for its 20th anniversary a few years back, I somehow feel like I'm the only dino nerd who grew up on _When Dinosaurs Roamed America_ rather than _Walking with Dinosaurs,_ so I'm glad to know it's still on people's minds and it'll be interesting to see what you catch and how you rate it against the other shows. Also, just wanted to suggest that if _Dino King_ (assuming you're referring to the _Speckles the Tarbosaurus_ movie and not _Tarbosaurus: The Mightiest Ever_ documentary), the _Walking with Dinosaurs_ movie (which is from 2013, not 2016), and _Dinosaur Revolution_ are on this list, then _Prehistoric Park_ definitely belongs on the list as well. (Also, no _Walking with Cavemen_ ?)
The Oversized Liopleurodon isn’t an Inaccuracy it’s just outdated. The marine reptile that it’s based on which I can’t remember the name off the top my head, was originally classed as a Liopleurodon, based on the few fossils of it. later on it was re-classed as a separate species, and I’m pretty sure the reptile was a bit smaller but it’s close to that size. I will always love the Liopleurodon in WWD because it is the sole reason why I love marine reptiles almost as much as I do dinosaurs, and in my head despite knowing that Liopleurodon is extremely smaller than what the documentary showed, I always picture it being that big because it’s just engraved into my mind and is the sole reason why Liopleurodon is my 3rd favorite Extinct animal : ).
Some of the dinosaurs in this look terrible even for the time and horribly shrink wrapped, but others look great for the time. Wonder how that happened.
In the discovery channel version they actually explained where Utah raptor that migrated to North America to Europe UC Europe and North America were connected with each other
@@redraptorwrites6778, Minor Corrections: Dino King isn’t a documentary but more of a movie. Sure it’s inaccurate but it’s still a movie, not a documentary.
I think you would enjoy Ben G Thomas’ channel because they are also doing accuracies & inaccuracies of WWD, they got done with “Giant Of The Skies”, & I can’t wait to hear what they have to say about “Spirits of the Ice Forest”!
Wow, great Tier list ranking of the Walking with Dinosaurs accuracy just me when I did my tier list ranking of the Disney movies and the Marvel Cinematic Universe Series but soon, I’ll do my tier list ranking of the Dinosaur Documentaries and the DreamWorks movies in my channel. Great video Red Raptor and keep it up.
13:57 the fun part is that Quetzalcoatlus IS an Ornithocheirus reskin, they just changed the color and put the small crest in the head which was believed to be correct at the time. They also kept the teeth!!!
I don't know if I should be surprised Dinosaur George was in another bad show 'Clash of the Dinosaurs" That also suffered from quote mining and wild speculation presented as fact, similar to JFC.
In the TV release that I saw, the "American Polacanthus" was explicitly referred to as Gastonia. Also, with regards to Utahraptor being in England, they actually TRIED to give something of an explanation for how that could happen in the TV release. In one of the pre-commercial segments, the narrator asks how Utahraptor could have ended up in England, and Dr. James Kirkland gives an answer: "During the Early Cretaceous, Europe and North America were still connected through Greenland and Scandinavia. Utahraptor could have crossed through Greenland and Scandinavia, and into this country without getting its feet wet."
and with Vectiraptor being named recently, we now know of a (likely) comparably sized Dromaeosarid that did live in Europe at the time. So we can call the Utahraptor in Europe a mislabelled Vectiraptor without changing much about the scenes themselves
@@SillyGuy14Official Edmontosaurus was about 13-15 meters long and probably 13-15 Tons(Based on the length to weight ratio of Shantungosaurus) while T-Rex was 11-13 Meters Long and 6-9 Tons
Do you hear yourself? India, where no WWD episode took place. Episodes 1, 2, & 6 took place in North America, episodes 3 & 4 in Europe, and episode 5 in Antarctica.
The Quetzalcoatlus looks like a bad reskin of the Ornithocheirus because it IS. Model recycling also applies to the Othniela (Nanosaurus) and Leallynasaura, and the two raptors. Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure they called the hell creek raptor a dromaeosaur, not a dromaeosarUS, and they also showed it as quite large so, in an unexpected turn of events, WWD kind of predicted the discovery of Dakotaraptor.
@@justusb.plorer8773 There’s a book written by Tim Haines that’s an adaptation of the show it has a couple of differences from the show but it’s worth a read I actually prefer some of the changes to the book from the film.
"Quetz looked more like a bad Ornithocheirus reskin." Whoa.... That's so far from what I would draw in 10 seconds for Quetz. I worry about things like palm orientation, not taking one of the most terrestrially capable pterosaurs and giving it no back legs.
Actually, those “Dromeosaurus” were called “Dromeosaurs”, the family name, which is correct. The hell creak formation has a species of unnamed Dromeosaurs.
good content! one bit of constructive criticism though, I’d try to be a little less forceful with your voice and a little more casual/relaxed when recording, sometimes the intensity of your tone was a bit much with my headphones, that technical criticism aside the information and editing were well done!
Never heard parasaurolophus pronounced that way, wonder which way is seen as "correct" or if it even matters, and the Disney Dinosaur reference was a nostalgic slap I was not expecting
When I was a kid there was a show called prehistoric planet on Discovery kids and it was pretty much walking with dinosaurs just slight scene changes to make a bit more kid friendly and it was narrated by Ben Stiller and Christian Slater
"A quadrupedal stance would've been impossible." impossible or just very inconvenient? Humans can gallop on their knuckles if they want. It's a high stress and inefficient form of locomotion but taking a quadrupedal stance isn't impossible for us.
The real meme about the WWD Liopleurodon isn't even the 25 metre length, it's the 150 ton weight. That's not only 15 times heavier than any pliosaur, that's about three times more than any reptile to have ever lived (including the biggest sauropods).
@@gergopiroska5749 It wasn’t even that big. Very fragmentary remains suggested a size of 20 meters, not even as big as the actual largest Marine reptile, a late Triassic ichthiosaur named Shastasaurus.
They put Utahraptor there because they assumed that because Iguanodon and Polacanthus were on each side of the ocean Utahraptor was too. It doesn't make sense today now
I hate it so much when a predator roars when charging. It's fucking stupid, you're alerting your prey, and you're wasting breath, stop it, gets some help! XD
I would have to disagree on the statement on liopluerodon they more like got it as double it’s real size as Liopleurodon was most likely 10.5 metres in length - “It is hard to identify bones are being definitely those of Liopleurodon. Remains of top predators in general are rare - there aren't as many of them as there are of animals further down the food chain. Our knowledge of the pliosaurs of the Oxford Clay in general has recently been greatly refined by Leslie Noè's PhD thesis. His work has concentrated on skull morphology, so our knowledge of their postcranial anatomy is still rather limited. The largest skull definitely belonging to L.ferox are about 1.5 meters long, and if the head was about a seventh of the body length (as reconstructed by Tarlo) it would make the length a little over 10 meters.” Then again this “Liopleurodon” is very well a real creature and there is a marine reptile or even still Pliosaur out there that similar to this size: “The Monster of Aramberri A preliminary report on an pliosaur from Mexico was made in June of 2002 and gained some media publicity in December 2002/January 2003. This specimen is estimated, possibly rather conservatively at 15 meters in length based on the diameter of a pectoral vertebra being rather larger than that of Kronosaurus. This specimen is substantially complete, and there is some expectation that it will be possible to prepare the post-cranial material as well as the skull. Reports of this animal were somewhat exaggerated - its length increased to 25 meters and its weight to 150 tons. Although widely designated as such it's pretty certain that it isn't Liopleurodon ferox. The reports, drawing on the BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs site, have simply repeated and reinforced Liopleurodon's semi-mythical status as biggest and fiercest.”
Unless a documentary comes out that realizes the walking with series' true strength, it will always remain the best to watch, even if not the most accurate. Practical effects and, most importantly, location filming. WWD *looks* real. most dino docs don't, they look like video game cutscenes.
A lot of the errors were due to money problems. The show cost 66 thousand USD per minute to film, and the 3d models were extremely difficult and expensive to make and animate, so corners were cut in some places to spare the BBC's checkbook. It's unfortunate, but it was nessecary to get the show to the airwaves, especially the later episodes. The problems with the theropods you mentioned was also largely due to technical limitations and difficulties with the software. They did as best as they could, and yes, they made mistakes, some of them knowingly so, but it was mostly due to behind the scenes issues, rather than apathy.
i still think it's stupid that we leave old dino names in the mud and don't go around giving them out to the first new dino that we can apply it too cause ngl anatotitan is better than edmontosaurus naming wise
Even if walking with dinosaurs is a bit inaccurate now I’m still going to be a fan of the documentary
Same! Flaws and all it's still a great show.
@@redraptorwrites6778 im 26 still love it it was the first dino show i ever watched with my dad it has a special place in my heart and the theme song opener is so memorable
@@redraptorwrites6778 and most of those errors were due to new discoveries upending them, not BBC exaggerating them into monstrous killing machines.
To be fair most of them are due to science marching on.
@@maximaldinotrap ye this is still a amazing show
I think something that doesn't get mentioned enough with WWD is that even though the models are extremely hit-or-miss and the biomechanics are now outdated, the actual animation, the movement of the dinosaurs, has more rigor and attention to detail than any other dinosaur documentary I've ever seen. Most people tasked with animating dinosaurs will just make them all uniformly floppy and jiggly, with exaggerated follow-through and unnaturally fluid movements, but the Walking With series takes extreme care to show every single animal moving in strict adherence with what was known about their biomechanics and ranges of motion at the time. Dinosaurs in general weren't as flexible as mammals tend to be, and WWD accurately reflects that, giving most of the dinosaurs extremely stiff torsos and limbs, but extremely mobile necks and bobbing heads, whereas even the most accurate recent documentaries have hyperflexible dinosaurs that flop around like they're made of rubber. WWD even goes the extra mile to show the tails moving in believable ways, actively counterbalancing the creature as it moves and shifts its weight, and swaying accurately as the animal walks. Again, most modern documentaries just kinda leave the tail there, flopping around and maybe wagging a bit, never really doing much to demonstrate what a vital and integral part of the body the tail was and how important its role in the animal's locomotion was. In general, every movement looks as if it's being driven by actual muscles, and every animal appears to have extremely precise control over their bodies, and this gives their movements a jerky, stiff appearance that genuinely looks like the movements of real animals, without any embellishment or compromise for the sake of the normal principles of animation. Real animals _aren't_ animated, after all. No other documentary that I can remember has come even close to matching the naturalistic movements of the animals in the Walking With series, and that's a damn shame, because the unique animations give the Walking With animals such a fascinating sense of character and realism that's just _missing_ from practically every other dinosaur documentary.
I also want to take a moment to say that they did an excellent job not only making the dinosaurs feel real, but making the camera work feel as much like a genuine nature documentary as well. The number of unique camera angles per scene is extremely limited, as if the crew just stumbled across the scene and had to improvise the best positions on the spot, and in some cases handheld cameras are used as if they didn't even have time to set up because things were happening _right now_ and they needed to scramble to get it on film at all. There are multiple story moments where it's clear that the crew just didn't happen to catch the most dramatic moments on camera; we'll see failed hunts and then cut to the next day with the predators already feasting on a kill they made sometime in the night, animals will die offscreen and simply disappear, and it's clear at all times that the crew, and by extension the audience, aren't getting the whole picture, because these animals have lives beyond the camera, and can't always be counted on to do what's best for the camera when the crew happens to be nearby. It's a great dimension that makes the whole experience feel all the more real.
So true. These days a lot of animations are rendered well but look completely fake in motion. WWD looks still incredible because the motion looks real.
I absolutely agree and this might be an unpopular opinion but I think the new documentary Prehistoric planet failed to make the dinosaurs move like animals, I don’t know what but something feels off for me. Besides inaccuracies, I can’t find really much more issues with WWD
I completely agree with everything you say. The "accuracy" in a documentary is not only determined by the precision of the anatomy of the animals or by using the correct scientific names or placing them in their respective geographies properly; also, and very importantly, for the precision and naturalness of their movements. In this, WWD is simply unrivaled. That's why I think this documentary deserved a much higher rating than C+.
Bro just wrote a book
I know this comment is a year old but I hope you watched prehistoric planet because it does exactly that, especially with the camera angles and the dinosaurs movement looks really realistic (in my opinion at least)
Whoops I forgot to add a note that pterosaurus didn't have actual "fur" but pycnofibers. And I did not mean to imply that Postosuchus was a dinosaur. It ain't.
postosuchus is a dinosaur
to an idiot ;)
@@scottthesmartape9151 toxic
The lioplurodon is big because it’s
a magical liopluradon
12:43 I'm pretty sure that feathers being ommited was largely out of graphical constraints, at the time having to animate fully feathered dinosaurs that wouldn't look like shit would've been prohibitively expensive, so that's why they went full scale coverings.
That's exactly correct. They tried to animate them with feathers, it was incredibly expensive for a show that was already costing them tens of thousands of dollars per minute of footage, and it was insanely hard to do in a way that didn't look terrible. You can check the "Trilogy of life" documentary, which is about the making of the film, and they talk about this, among a couple other issues like models not looking the same as the dinosaur, being due to funding issues and technical constraints.
All the pterosaurs in the premiere episode of Prehistoric Planet have fur. It was definitely because of constraints.
When you said "Aladar wannabes", that put a big smile on my face. I'm glad to see you're a man of culture. Disney's Dinosaur is *SO* underappreciated.
Yeah, I unironically love that movie and have since I was a kid.
I would have liked it far better without the dialogue. It should've been more like Fantasia.
If you didn't cry at the end of the 4th episode, you have no soul.
What happened at the end of the 4 episode
No if u cried at the end of the fourth episode your incrediblely emotional
@@jesusmejia79 what happend is that a pterosaur had no mate no food and died on the spot
RIP King Orni
(That's what I like to call him)
*big Al left the chat*
Another note is that the Gigapleurodon was not only 4 times the length of a real Liopleurodon, but it was also stated to weigh 150 tons. Meaning that it would rival blue whales, the largest animals in the history of the world, in size.
gigapleurodon was so big it didn’t even exist!
To be fair, the fact that the dinos don't have feathers is probably due to the fact that feathers and fur in general is absolute hell to animate in 3d
3 words; Walking With Beasts!
@@maxrichards3881 which was made after wwd, meaning they probably had more resources to animate the fur by then because of the money they received
@@charizardfan1017
Do I need to go check the budgets and prove to you they’re the same?
@@maxrichards3881 Sure
So it technically wrong but he should let it slide
that anuronathus looks so creepy it was so cute in real life
Yes
You've seen it irl?
@@-_-thisnameiscreativeasfuc4734 maybe
We have time traveler here
Fun fact: Dr David Martill from Portsmouth University was a consultant for the WWD documentary series and he was the one who insisted (and to this day still insists) that Liopleurodon could reach up to 25metres.
from what I've heard is the size of the Liopluerodon was in reference to the "Monster of Aramberri" which at the time was thought to be Liopluerodon and now considered a unknown Pliosauroidea member
Well, no. The size was actually based of some snout and jaw fragments found in Oxford, which actually came from a sauropod!
@@dineobellator_-yf7ki the tie in book _Walking with dinosaurs: the evidence_ stated that the inspiration for the Liopluerodon’s massive size were the jaw fragments from Oxford, and not the monster of aramberri like is commonly believed.
11:39 Okay, stop. The Australian animals in Antartica are from dinosaur cove in Victoria. Which was not only within the Antarctic circle, but connected directly to Antarctica, You look at it on a paleo map(Check out the one on the Australian museum's page it is much more accurate and has the south pole and circle added for reference) of the Albian of the Cretaceous and it is on the very border of the Australian plate. So yeah, they were found on the Australian side of that prehistoric border, but you know, if they were a few miles further south(like other members of the same species no doubt were) we'd not have found the fossils, becasue they'd have been still on Antarctica when Australia's plate set sail further north. We know those forests covered Antartica during the Albian, and the Australian region, would have been inhabited by those same animals found in southern Australia.
I was coming down here to say this. I will add that there are likely plenty of fossils hidden in Antarctica to confirm that these animals actually lived here but since people don't live down there and there are only a few research outposts expeditions for fossils don't happen as often.
Yeah, especially as Antartica is not very well researched for fossils, yeah sure we have some things, but most of it is under kilometers of ice ^^'
Basically, Spirits of the Ice Forest has NO problems due to negligence.
Even Laylinosaura’s comedically long tail wasn’t discovered until 2001.
@@maxrichards3881 Those long tailed ornithopods may not even be Leallynasaura.
And the "Polar Allosaur" still hasn't been fully classified. The claims of the predator being Australovenator have been phased out, and as of current, the dinosaur only has the designation of Allosaurus robustus
baryonyx was originally going to in Giant of the Skies but was likely replace by utahraptor, Baryonyx's design can be seen in some merchandise like the official sticker album.
Inaccuracies or no inaccuracies, IMHO, this is still the G.O.A.T of prehistoric documentaries (👍).
Even if Liopleurodon is massive, no one can deny that episode 3 has the best opening of the entire show.
A big reason they had featherless theropods is because making models and animations with feathers drastically increased the production cost. Most of the examples at the time of feathered dinosaurs were based off of smaller dinosaurs and not mid to large sized theropods. It wouldn't make sense to drive up production cost on something that, at the time, was loose speculation.
12:40 "None of this is shown"
That isn't quite accurate if you look at the puppet pterosaur shots you can see they did place some fur on the pterosaurs though less than the animals probably had. You can't see the fur in the computer animated shots simply due to the low resolution of the 90s television budget computer animation. So I'd call that more of a technological limitation than a scientific inaccuracy
Honestly I don't care what anyone says Walking with dinosaurs will always have a special place in my heart it was the very first dinosaur documentary I ever watched as a kid and what got me in love with dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals
I actually did an art challenge a while back with friends where we gave each other fossils of animals we'd never seen before and didn't get to look up how they looked. We had to draw them based on the fossils. I got postosuchus and was baffled by its skeleton because it looked like a hybrid between a crocodile and a dinosaur, and the legs baffled me especially because I could not for the life of me tell if it walked on two or four legs. In the end, I wound up picking primarily four legs just like what paleontology originally thought, which I find very interesting. I guess the postosuchus posture confusion is universal.
13:40 = WWD's Leaellynasaura reconstruction is more a case of science marching on rather than poor research. The elongate tail specimen was not announced until 2009, and it remains unclear if it actually pertains to Leaellynasaura or not.
Just like how papers on Sophie, the complete Stegosaurus, didn’t release until 2011, 8 years after the discovery.
Actually the fossil the crew based on was called "Allosaurus robustus". BBC just said that it was Australovenator in their Walking with series companion book. BTW that fossil doesn't belong to Allosaur either.
Scaling issues aside the design of the liopleurodon is just beautiful and iconic on its own right to a point that many reconstructions use the color scheme and certain proportions, the right ones, even to this day, which speaks volumes about the show.
Personally, every time I see a Liopleurodon reproduction without that look, I think "that's not right", even though I know it's just artistic vision ^^
Coelophysis ...
The absolute perfection of the ENTIRE Walking With franchise !!!
My top favorite Dinosaur/creature of all !!!
And the main reason why I love the Struthiomimus brothers from Land Before Time so much, since they are clearlly based on him.
Eh I prefer the Dinosaur revolution Coelophysis. If they had it feathered then it would’ve been perfect!
@@rockettbennett It's very interesting that they renamed It to Eoraptor. But the colors are mesmerizinglly beautiful, especially on the males !!!
@@pedrord19 Wait I was talking about that little guy in the Jurassic episode who was black with gray stripes. I have not watched it in a while and I’m not a certified expert on paleontology but I thought that small creature in the watering hole was Coelophysis right? Both of those creatures would have been significantly improved with feathers.
I feel like this docuseries will always be a good way to get people interested in Dinosaurs, even if the information is outdated nowadays, the passion that went into the portrayal of the lives of these animals do more to get people interested than any amount of accuracy could
As an accurate documentary from today's knowledge, it's an understandable grade. But for me, this was my introduction into the world of dinosaurs and prehistory. I wouldn't have been a dinosaur fan boy if it wasn't for this show. So good grade Red Raptor Writes, but this will always be my favorite. Also, forgive me, I won't watch your Prehistoric Planet review till I find a way to watch the series, I want to be surprised with what I see from that series. Keep up your amazing content, say safe and have a great day. P.S. Woody telling Allosaurus to shut up was hilarious, nice edit.
9:03 Actually, whatever the astragalus that the 'polar allosaur' featured in episode 5 of WWD was based on belonged to couldn't have been _Australovenator_ as the two animals were separated by about 20 million years. It isn't known exactly what the former animal was. It might have been an abelisaurid.
As far as records go, as of today, it has been given the indeterminate taxon, Allosaurus Robustus
the only bad thing about WWD is that it kinda birthed Jurassic Fight Club.
The giant Liopleurodon as I recall was actually based on a sauropod vertebra that was mistakenly thought to be from a pliosaur at one point.
The Allosaurus roar is the most satisfying sound in dinosaur history.
To be fair to the Quetzalcoatlus model it actually was a re-skinned Ornithocheirus.
I am wondering if many of the faults were executive medling and budget.
No mention of how Anurognathus was straight up given the wrong lifestyle, being depicted like an oxpecker wannabe instead of having a niche similar to bats?
TBH I thought that was up there with the Liopluerodon for inaccuracies.
Well thanks for bringing it up. I don't cover everything in these videos cause there's 3 hours of documentary to discuss so I appreciate commenters like you who add additional insight.
Ehhh.
Still better than the one from Primeval where they were essentially flying piranhas.
There was also the behaviour of plesiosaurs resting on land like turtles or seals. When, in reality, they would die if that ever happened. They would beach themselves if they came onto land just like the Lioplurodon did.
Even if this show is older then 20 years by now (going on 22-23 here soon I think?) the CGI is still absolutely GORGEOUS to this day. It still looks realistic with that rustic and grainy look added to the models, helping seam it into the areas the dinosaurs are CGI'd into. I love watching it so much still. I grew up with this one just like the others of this series (Beasts, monsters, etc) and White Tip's Journey, so maybe I'm biased, but as many inaccuracies as there are, it can still be used to teach younger people about Dinosaurs (as long as it's paired with other really good docus).
It isn’t..?
I like the reference to Aladar in Dinosaur (2000). I wonder if you'll ever take a look at the accuracies in that movie!
Here is the list of future documentaries. Comment if there's anything I'm missing. I'm considering adding Prehistoric Park, but I can't decide if it actually counts as a documentary or just a show that has dinosaurs.
Allosaurus (2000)
When Dinosaurs Roamed America (2001)
Valley of the T rex (2001)
Walking With Beasts (2001)
Chased By Dinosaurs (2002-2003)
Sea Monsters (2003)
Dinosaur Planet (2003)
The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs (2005)
Walking With Monsters (2005)
Prehistoric Park (2006)
Dinosaurs Alive (2007)
Giants of Patagonia (2007)
Sea Monsters (2007)
Jurassic Fight Club (2008)
Monsters Resurrected (2009)
Bizarre Dinosaurs (2009)
Clash of the Dinosaurs (2009)
March of the Dinosaurs (2011)
Dinosaur Revolution (2011)
Planet Dinosaur (2011)
Monster Snake (2012)
Dino King (2013)
Walking With Dinosaurs Movie (2013)
Bigger Than T rex (2014)
Dinosaur Britain (2015)
Dinosaurs in the Outback (2016)
T. rex: An Evolutionary Journey (2016)
Amazing Dinoworld (2018)
Deadly Dinosaurs (2018)
Maybe you should ad amazing dinoworld?
Enjoyed the video and looking forward to the ongoing series. I'm actually working on my own review of _When Dinosaurs Roamed America_ since this year is the 20th anniversary of the show and after all the rightly justifiable love _Walking with Dinosaurs_ got for its 20th anniversary a few years back, I somehow feel like I'm the only dino nerd who grew up on _When Dinosaurs Roamed America_ rather than _Walking with Dinosaurs,_ so I'm glad to know it's still on people's minds and it'll be interesting to see what you catch and how you rate it against the other shows.
Also, just wanted to suggest that if _Dino King_ (assuming you're referring to the _Speckles the Tarbosaurus_ movie and not _Tarbosaurus: The Mightiest Ever_ documentary), the _Walking with Dinosaurs_ movie (which is from 2013, not 2016), and _Dinosaur Revolution_ are on this list, then _Prehistoric Park_ definitely belongs on the list as well.
(Also, no _Walking with Cavemen_ ?)
@Amar Johal no they did have money it is just that they wanted to go awesomebro and ignore proper science Money has nothing to do with it
Ready for Dinosaur Britain, its an amazing and underrated Documentary,call me stupid but it’s in my top 7 for Dino docs
@@suchomimustenerensis I like it has dinosaurs that lived in my country
The Oversized Liopleurodon isn’t an Inaccuracy it’s just outdated. The marine reptile that it’s based on which I can’t remember the name off the top my head, was originally classed as a Liopleurodon, based on the few fossils of it. later on it was re-classed as a separate species, and I’m pretty sure the reptile was a bit smaller but it’s close to that size. I will always love the
Liopleurodon in WWD because it is the sole reason why I love marine reptiles almost as much as I do dinosaurs, and in my head despite knowing that Liopleurodon is extremely smaller than what the documentary showed, I always picture it being that big because it’s just engraved into my mind and is the sole reason why Liopleurodon is my 3rd favorite Extinct animal : ).
Some of the dinosaurs in this look terrible even for the time and horribly shrink wrapped, but others look great for the time. Wonder how that happened.
In the discovery channel version they actually explained where Utah raptor that migrated to North America to Europe UC Europe and North America were connected with each other
Cool that they gave a reason for it, but that's still not accurate at all. Utahraptor has to this point only been found in Utah.
I think that new dromeosaurids from the same time as utahraptor were found some years ago,but does not belong to the specimen of utahraptor at all
Jim Kirtland said it at the time who found Utah raptor
And it inhabited europe
@@redraptorwrites6778, Minor Corrections: Dino King isn’t a documentary but more of a movie.
Sure it’s inaccurate but it’s still a movie, not a documentary.
wait you're doing this series AND you play Prehistoric Kingdom? INSTANT SUB
this litteraly formed me as a kid. I would still give kids today this to watch,on my VHS player
can't wait until 2040 when this becomes "dated" too lol
One innacuracy you didn't mention, Placerias didn't had tusks, it was bone, perhaps recovered with keratine to make horns ^^
To be fair, adding feathers would have been a pain in those times. Non the less they should say they did have feathers
I think you would enjoy Ben G Thomas’ channel because they are also doing accuracies & inaccuracies of WWD, they got done with “Giant Of The Skies”, & I can’t wait to hear what they have to say about “Spirits of the Ice Forest”!
You're totally right. I DO enjoy Ben G Thomas XD
Wow, great Tier list ranking of the Walking with Dinosaurs accuracy just me when I did my tier list ranking of the Disney movies and the Marvel Cinematic Universe Series but soon, I’ll do my tier list ranking of the Dinosaur Documentaries and the DreamWorks movies in my channel.
Great video Red Raptor and keep it up.
13:50 Wait, did the Anurognathus just shit on the Diplodocus?
The Anurognathus represents the NFL and Diplodocus is my hopes and dreams of Sweet Victory being played for halftime.
13:57 the fun part is that Quetzalcoatlus IS an Ornithocheirus reskin, they just changed the color and put the small crest in the head which was believed to be correct at the time. They also kept the teeth!!!
And now we have the Prehistoric Planet Quetzo which looks absolutely amazing, same with the Jurassic world design honestly
I remember watching this with my dad over and over again because of how much I loved dinosaurs. (Land Before Time was my favorite movie)
People in the 90s: "I want a stegosaurus, EXTRA THICC!!!
I don't know if I should be surprised Dinosaur George was in another bad show 'Clash of the Dinosaurs" That also suffered from quote mining and wild speculation presented as fact, similar to JFC.
Dinosaur George Didn’t appear in Clash of the Dinosaurs.
Also, Dinosaurs didn’t just hiss, they kind make some bellowing sound like birds.
In the TV release that I saw, the "American Polacanthus" was explicitly referred to as Gastonia. Also, with regards to Utahraptor being in England, they actually TRIED to give something of an explanation for how that could happen in the TV release. In one of the pre-commercial segments, the narrator asks how Utahraptor could have ended up in England, and Dr. James Kirkland gives an answer: "During the Early Cretaceous, Europe and North America were still connected through Greenland and Scandinavia. Utahraptor could have crossed through Greenland and Scandinavia, and into this country without getting its feet wet."
and with Vectiraptor being named recently, we now know of a (likely) comparably sized Dromaeosarid that did live in Europe at the time. So we can call the Utahraptor in Europe a mislabelled Vectiraptor without changing much about the scenes themselves
Literally was my childhood, was born in 1997 so this show was such an important part of my life
edmontosaurus in the show is smaller then t rex in real life it was larger
Exactly, I mean the biggest are the biggest dinosaurs in the Hell Creek Formation
No it's not there the same size
@@SillyGuy14Official Edmontosaurus was about 13-15 meters long and probably 13-15 Tons(Based on the length to weight ratio of Shantungosaurus) while T-Rex was 11-13 Meters Long and 6-9 Tons
@@suchomimustenerensis Okay Well Yeah I Find Out Edmontosaurus Could Be I'll after Than T-Rex But There Is No Way It Weighed 15 tons
@@SillyGuy14Official well it’s Close relative Shantungosaurus has a length to weight ratio of 1:1
Just to correct you, Grass did exist during the Mesozoic, but it was restricted to India.
Do you hear yourself? India, where no WWD episode took place.
Episodes 1, 2, & 6 took place in North America, episodes 3 & 4 in Europe, and episode 5 in Antarctica.
The Quetzalcoatlus looks like a bad reskin of the Ornithocheirus because it IS. Model recycling also applies to the Othniela (Nanosaurus) and Leallynasaura, and the two raptors. Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure they called the hell creek raptor a dromaeosaur, not a dromaeosarUS, and they also showed it as quite large so, in an unexpected turn of events, WWD kind of predicted the discovery of Dakotaraptor.
the book based on the documentary confirms them to be dromeosaurus
@@hyena_fan I never read that, thank you for the info.
@@justusb.plorer8773 Actually if he’s talking about the book adaptation there is no dromeasaur of any kind.
@@bennettfender9927 Now I'm confused.
@@justusb.plorer8773 There’s a book written by Tim Haines that’s an adaptation of the show it has a couple of differences from the show but it’s worth a read I actually prefer some of the changes to the book from the film.
"Quetz looked more like a bad Ornithocheirus reskin."
Whoa.... That's so far from what I would draw in 10 seconds for Quetz. I worry about things like palm orientation, not taking one of the most terrestrially capable pterosaurs and giving it no back legs.
Nobody has done an accuracy review of the Rite of Spring segment from Fantasia before.
defending territory is a relatable topic? 😳
yeah probably should've said “relatable to modern animals” because unless fishing counts I've never hunted before
Actually, those “Dromeosaurus” were called “Dromeosaurs”, the family name, which is correct. The hell creak formation has a species of unnamed Dromeosaurs.
I was wrong. There is a name for it now: Dakotaraptor.
good content! one bit of constructive criticism though, I’d try to be a little less forceful with your voice and a little more casual/relaxed when recording, sometimes the intensity of your tone was a bit much with my headphones, that technical criticism aside the information and editing were well done!
placerias and koolosuchus have accurate models
I like how you spelled two of those names correctly but not "models"
@@gergopiroska5749 oh yeah he spelt it modals
@@gergopiroska5749 he meant modals
9:00 australovenator ( os-tral-oh-ven-A-tor ) like an Australian over a venator
You forgot to say that TRICERATOPS only appearss in this entire series as freaking CORPSE!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😾😾😾😾😾😾
8:16-8:34 nooooooooooo I want thicc stego waifu ;-;
(also Sorry I ruined the 69 comments)
WWD: Let’s take a famous marine reptile and make it like, five times longer.
JW: Hmmmm… Good idea…
btw, your second pronunciation of Australovenator was spot on the first time.
5:41 I die!
Walking with dinosaurs 2 needs to happen
I loved this so much as a kid, giant of the skies got me all kinds of upset haha.
Me:mom let's watch Rick raptor reviews
Mom:we have Rick raptor at home
Rick raptor at home:
Hell creek was a Jungle or a Swamp, not a volcanic wastleland
That aplies to JFC too
5:39 "Excuse me, I'm not done YELLING AT RANDOM!!!"
-- Nostalgia Critic, _Book of Shadows: Blair Witch 2_
The reason Utahraptor was in Europe was because, from what I remember, it was believed the Americas were connected to Europe
something like that
Never heard parasaurolophus pronounced that way, wonder which way is seen as "correct" or if it even matters, and the Disney Dinosaur reference was a nostalgic slap I was not expecting
When I was a kid there was a show called prehistoric planet on Discovery kids and it was pretty much walking with dinosaurs just slight scene changes to make a bit more kid friendly and it was narrated by Ben Stiller and Christian Slater
"A quadrupedal stance would've been impossible."
impossible or just very inconvenient? Humans can gallop on their knuckles if they want. It's a high stress and inefficient form of locomotion but taking a quadrupedal stance isn't impossible for us.
Fun fact: the first episode “New Blood” came out exactly 11 years before I was born (oct 4 1999)
Critical hit right to the childhood. I need to go rewatch this now
I'm surprised you didn't mention plesiosaurs hanging out on land like seals and sea lions.
The real meme about the WWD Liopleurodon isn't even the 25 metre length, it's the 150 ton weight.
That's not only 15 times heavier than any pliosaur, that's about three times more than any reptile to have ever lived (including the biggest sauropods).
Yeah, it's in the range of the blue whale, who is both a lot bulkier and a little bigger than their specimen, what were they thinking? ^^'
I remember finding out the true size of Liopleurodon and felt so lied to. I think this was the first time a documentary misled me.
It was actually an unknown pliosaur that was found in the middle east
They just thought it was a Liu
I felt the same way
@@gergopiroska5749
It wasn’t even that big. Very fragmentary remains suggested a size of 20 meters, not even as big as the actual largest Marine reptile, a late Triassic ichthiosaur named Shastasaurus.
you should make a review on the documentary called dinosaur revolution, it is really cool and I would love to see a review from such a good youtuber.
They put Utahraptor there because they assumed that because Iguanodon and Polacanthus were on each side of the ocean Utahraptor was too. It doesn't make sense today now
"Walking with dinosaurs" was what got me into dinosaurs but yeah, of course it's innacurate
11:25 Too be fair most Brits probably wouldn't even have known Utah was a place
Damn you really just roasted them
1:54
What genus of ceratopsian is that? Is that a Torosaurus? Because I’ve never seen that specimen before.
Underrated channel! Keep up the good work!
If Walking with dinosaurs have a great remake in the future i would make it like 12 or 18 episodes and Spinosaurus will be in it
when you say the 2000s you are talking about the decade right
to be fair about the antartica/australia thing it's not like it's easy to look for fossils in Australia
Antarctica has even less fossils
How odd to see you here of all places.
Your intro is literally just a raptor coming back to like just for it to scream its last bit of pain out, just for it to die again
It’s woefully inaccurate but I will always have a soft spot for the T-Rex design and it’s weird elephant/car skid roar. I even got it tattooed.
This series is legend.
I hate it so much when a predator roars when charging. It's fucking stupid, you're alerting your prey, and you're wasting breath, stop it, gets some help! XD
Is it just me or is the audio a little behind? Some of the clips don't match up.
I would have to disagree on the statement on liopluerodon they more like got it as double it’s real size as Liopleurodon was most likely 10.5 metres in length - “It is hard to identify bones are being definitely those of Liopleurodon. Remains of top predators in general are rare - there aren't as many of them as there are of animals further down the food chain. Our knowledge of the pliosaurs of the Oxford Clay in general has recently been greatly refined by Leslie Noè's PhD thesis. His work has concentrated on skull morphology, so our knowledge of their postcranial anatomy is still rather limited. The largest skull definitely belonging to L.ferox are about 1.5 meters long, and if the head was about a seventh of the body length (as reconstructed by Tarlo) it would make the length a little over 10 meters.”
Then again this “Liopleurodon” is very well a real creature and there is a marine reptile or even still Pliosaur out there that similar to this size:
“The Monster of Aramberri
A preliminary report on an pliosaur from Mexico was made in June of 2002 and gained some media publicity in December 2002/January 2003. This specimen is estimated, possibly rather conservatively at 15 meters in length based on the diameter of a pectoral vertebra being rather larger than that of Kronosaurus. This specimen is substantially complete, and there is some expectation that it will be possible to prepare the post-cranial material as well as the skull. Reports of this animal were somewhat exaggerated - its length increased to 25 meters and its weight to 150 tons. Although widely designated as such it's pretty certain that it isn't Liopleurodon ferox. The reports, drawing on the BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs site, have simply repeated and reinforced Liopleurodon's semi-mythical status as biggest and fiercest.”
Unless a documentary comes out that realizes the walking with series' true strength, it will always remain the best to watch, even if not the most accurate. Practical effects and, most importantly, location filming. WWD *looks* real. most dino docs don't, they look like video game cutscenes.
A lot of the errors were due to money problems. The show cost 66 thousand USD per minute to film, and the 3d models were extremely difficult and expensive to make and animate, so corners were cut in some places to spare the BBC's checkbook.
It's unfortunate, but it was nessecary to get the show to the airwaves, especially the later episodes. The problems with the theropods you mentioned was also largely due to technical limitations and difficulties with the software. They did as best as they could, and yes, they made mistakes, some of them knowingly so, but it was mostly due to behind the scenes issues, rather than apathy.
The liopleurodon episode is the best out of the walking with trilogy period
i still think it's stupid that we leave old dino names in the mud and don't go around giving them out to the first new dino that we can apply it too
cause ngl anatotitan is better than edmontosaurus naming wise