I remember a quote from Mark Grace. He'd had a season where he hit a ton of doubles (probably after the 95 season, where he had 51). When asked why he thought he was getting so many doubles he said, "Well, my speed turns a lot of triples into doubles."
Kenny Lofton is vastly under appreciated. He didn't have the hr and rbi numbers but he was always on base for Thome, Belle, and those big hitters to drive him in. He also made the playoffs nearly every year. Like a pg who runs the entire game without the point totals.
He was a leadoff hitter 🤣🤣🤣 of course he doesn't have huge power numbers... once upon a time, baseball guys knew fundamentally the job of the leadoff guy was to get on base, and then swipe 2nd base... it just shows how far baseball and its "fans" have gone into the toilet.
@@mrivard81My thoughts exactly. Now it is swing for the fences or strike out 1 through 9. The averages are so low anymore, I know the shift has hurt some guys but if they had contact skills they could let it get deep and hit one the other way for an easy base hit. My favorite player of all time is the wizard Ozzie Smith.
Thank you for including Jeff Conine. It shows how great you are at researching, I have never seen anyone include him on any list like this, as I thought only the small amount of us in South Florida who actually would go to the ballpark knew how treasured he was to us Marlins fans. Absolutely the greatest to ever put on a Florida Marlins uniform, it really is special to see fans of other teams noticed.
Never knew conine was a pitcher in college so thanks for that cool info. Do u know why or how the scout thought he could hit if his only AB in college was a hbo lol??
That surprises me that you think he's the best Marlin's player ever. Not because he wasn't good as he was a solid pro for years, but because of the talent the Marlin's has discovered and had via trades/free agency. I would also listen to local fans as they see the players the most.
@@DrtyALGreen Of course their were better players during their run as the Florida Marlins (I was not a fan of the switch to Miami Marlins) Gary Sheffield was my favorite player so I was beyond thrilled when they traded for him. Their were many players easy arguments can be made as better players than Conine, but because of terrible ownership it hurt seeing prospects developing into great players, then traded. Shortly after they won their second World Series I was at a spring training game and actually got to sit with owner Jeffrey Loria and thanked him for not fire selling the team like they did in 97. Then after letting him know how nice it could be to finally see players like Dontrelle Willis and of course Miguel Cabrera play out their careers as a Marlin, he signed a ball for me and promised their was no way Cabrera was going anywhere. A year later he traded them both, which broke my faith in supporting a favorite team. So even though Conine played a couple seasons somewhere else in between the 2 World Series wins, looking back growing up with that team Jeff Conine was the one consistent thing you could count on since day 1 and both World Series. I can't speak for everyone, but as far as the Florida Marlins go, in my opinion he is the Man.
Seeing a couple of these guys end up on the Cleveland roster, I’d love to see a list of best teams to not win a ring. I know those 95 and 97 indians teams have to be on there
Fred McGriff finally making it to the hall is justice finally served. I got to meet him several years ago and what an outstanding guy. He took the time to take a picture with my step son and the man's smile could light up a room. Congrats, Crime Dog, you deserved it. I do need to ask, though as to when you made this video. It was 6 months(it's now June 12) and you keep saing he was snubbed by the hall of fame but he was elected to the hall on 12/4/22.
The most famous example(sorry if this is a spoiler Erik)...Mike Piazza, picked somewhere past the 70th round, by the Dodgers, as a favor to Tom LaSorda, who was a friend of Mike Piazza's dad It shows that, in baseball, scouting and player evaluation is as much art as science...
I used to watch Jim Edmunds back in the 1990s and 2000s being a native Angelino. I'm a Dodgers fan but I'll watch Angels game when my Dodgers aren't playing or when they play at home and my Dodgers are on the road!
Mark Grace and Wade Boggs could flat out hit!! Wade Boggs was one of the best, pure hitters in baseball in the 1980s and 1990s!! One of the greatest hitters, for sure!!
- Nolan Ryan 12th round of 1965 draft by the Mets - Jacob Degrom 9th round of 2010 draft by Mets - Paul Goldschmidt 8th round of 2009 draft by Dbacks - Ryne Sandberg 20th round of 1978 draft by Phillies - Andre Dawson 11th round of 1975 draft by Montreal Expos - John Smoltz 22nd round of 1985 draft by Tigers I'm guessing this next one will be somewhere on your list (I've never seen a list of draft steals without him on it) - Mike Piazza 62nd round of 1988 draft by Dodgers
The Conine story is insane given how many players are drafted cause they’re great hitters in high school or college and then go to the pros and can’t hit their weight. How did Conine as a college pitcher become an awesome hitter after being drafted as a mediocre starter. That really shouldn’t be possible to just all of a sudden be a great hitter like that. It was pretty much impossible to predict his career
A highlight of Jim Thome hitting a home run against the Royals.......seemed like he hit 300 of his career total home runs against the Royals back in his Indians days.
I would like to see you do maybe the Top 20 of guys who did great in the minors but never got to the majors (or never got a full season in the majors... A few September games as the rosters expanded to 40 is ok)
@@HummBabyBaseball I saw that... was hoping to hear more from last 40-50 years so they are relatable. Guys like Lavel Freeman should have had a better chance at making it.
@@HummBabyBaseball Another fun idea... wold like to see a video based on siblings (or kids/parents) of famous ball players who just didn't cut it in majors (or stalling out in minors) guys like Dave Sax, Craig Griffey, Michael Garciaparra, Jayson Werth, etc.
Predating sabernetics, Grace was virtual gamer's dream: 5:3 career BB to SO ratio. Yes, he had great hand-eye coordination and bat control. Above all, his knowledge of the strike zone left him with few contemporaries (Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs). He fielded 1st base with the best of his era.
Mark Grace AKA Gracie to his friends started the rally in the bottom of the 9th inning Game#7 World Series against 'hitless' Mariano Rivera and the NY Yankees which is how they won their one and only championship so far for the AZ Diamondbacks! ⚾🏆🤟FYI: He also sings pretty good @ karaoke bars which I found out as a singer myself and became one of his 'cool' friends. 🎶😃
Your comment about Mark Grace finishing second to Chrid Sabo in ROY voting could make for another great video. Top players to finish 2nd in ROY voting. Manny Ramirez in 94 to Bob Hamlin is even crazier than Grace/Sabo.
Correction on Conine.. although he was the only one to PLAY in both the 97 and 03 WS for the Marlins... Luis Castillo was a mid season call up in 1996 and 1997. Luis had almost 300 PA in 1997 and obviously got a ring... lost his roster spot when they traded for Craig Councell though. Also on both rosters was Rick Heilling.. but he was an after thought on both teams.. not sure if he got rings
Edmonds might have to stay in the Hall of Very Good, but the Crime Dog should be in the Hall of Fame. It's not even close. This video names too many guys--Hershiser, Lofton, et al--as yet-to-be-elected HoFers. No. Most of them will not ever be inducted. Templeton got a bad rap. He was dazzling in St Louis, but there was a lot of animosity towards him. That field ruined his knees, so his spectacular career cooled there. But he was a good player and a great team guy. Templeton was a stick, and got to balls standing up that Smith had to dive for. Had his legs held up, he would have on in on the first ballot. Man, Boggs had to wait in Triple-A. The Sox had Carney Lansford at 3rd and were in no hurry to move up Boggs. Finally, faced with losing him, the Sox traded Lansford and the rest is history.
Edmonds should be in the Hall of Fame if only so I don't have to wait for Yordan Alvarez to give me a Hall of Famer who shares my birthday. And while we're at it, induct Conine, too! He also shares my birthday!
@@coreygilliam8533 Nope. He is not active. He already turn in his retirement papers about a week and a half ago. In baseball, unlike any other sport, when a player say he is done, he is done. He does not do a Tom Brady.
Why is 1-10 private? I'd love to have seen the top 10, I feel cheated and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.
It is up now; it got copyright hit - i had to fix it.
ruclips.net/video/8M7rBTsp5-s/видео.html
I remember a quote from Mark Grace. He'd had a season where he hit a ton of doubles (probably after the 95 season, where he had 51). When asked why he thought he was getting so many doubles he said, "Well, my speed turns a lot of triples into doubles."
That’s funny
Kenny Lofton is vastly under appreciated. He didn't have the hr and rbi numbers but he was always on base for Thome, Belle, and those big hitters to drive him in. He also made the playoffs nearly every year. Like a pg who runs the entire game without the point totals.
He was a leadoff hitter 🤣🤣🤣 of course he doesn't have huge power numbers... once upon a time, baseball guys knew fundamentally the job of the leadoff guy was to get on base, and then swipe 2nd base... it just shows how far baseball and its "fans" have gone into the toilet.
@@mrivard81My thoughts exactly. Now it is swing for the fences or strike out 1 through 9. The averages are so low anymore, I know the shift has hurt some guys but if they had contact skills they could let it get deep and hit one the other way for an easy base hit. My favorite player of all time is the wizard Ozzie Smith.
Thank you for including Jeff Conine. It shows how great you are at researching, I have never seen anyone include him on any list like this, as I thought only the small amount of us in South Florida who actually would go to the ballpark knew how treasured he was to us Marlins fans. Absolutely the greatest to ever put on a Florida Marlins uniform, it really is special to see fans of other teams noticed.
You're welcome! Oh yeah I sifted through every draft and looked for names I recognized!
Never knew conine was a pitcher in college so thanks for that cool info. Do u know why or how the scout thought he could hit if his only AB in college was a hbo lol??
That surprises me that you think he's the best Marlin's player ever. Not because he wasn't good as he was a solid pro for years, but because of the talent the Marlin's has discovered and had via trades/free agency. I would also listen to local fans as they see the players the most.
@@DrtyALGreen
Of course their were better players during their run as the Florida Marlins (I was not a fan of the switch to Miami Marlins) Gary Sheffield was my favorite player so I was beyond thrilled when they traded for him. Their were many players easy arguments can be made as better players than Conine, but because of terrible ownership it hurt seeing prospects developing into great players, then traded. Shortly after they won their second World Series I was at a spring training game and actually got to sit with owner Jeffrey Loria and thanked him for not fire selling the team like they did in 97. Then after letting him know how nice it could be to finally see players like Dontrelle Willis and of course Miguel Cabrera play out their careers as a Marlin, he signed a ball for me and promised their was no way Cabrera was going anywhere. A year later he traded them both, which broke my faith in supporting a favorite team. So even though Conine played a couple seasons somewhere else in between the 2 World Series wins, looking back growing up with that team Jeff Conine was the one consistent thing you could count on since day 1 and both World Series. I can't speak for everyone, but as far as the Florida Marlins go, in my opinion he is the Man.
@@davieduckett There's a reason he was referred to as Mr. Marlin.
Fred Mcgriff needs to be in the HOF. It’s really a shame
Second that
Fred and dale Murphy are in the contemporary era ballot for this years hall voting.
I can think of 30 other guys who belong there who are not who are just as good in my opinion even better
Beuhrlecalso threw 2 no hitters
I agree great hitter and top of his class defensive first basemen
I remember Robb Nen. I remember having his card when he was a Marlin. I remember playing baseball with the cards and he hated my Eric Karros card.
It's good to see Fred make it into The hall of fame
Seeing a couple of these guys end up on the Cleveland roster, I’d love to see a list of best teams to not win a ring. I know those 95 and 97 indians teams have to be on there
Because of the development necessary to go from the draft to the MLB, the draft is really hit-and-miss.
That catch that Edmunds makes at 7:07 is the Best catch I ever saw. Hands down.
Jack Morris averaged 17 wins a season through the decade of the 80s....just something i found when i was digging through some stats....WOW
Thomes career high in home runs was 2002 with 52
Fred McGriff finally making it to the hall is justice finally served. I got to meet him several years ago and what an outstanding guy. He took the time to take a picture with my step son and the man's smile could light up a room. Congrats, Crime Dog, you deserved it. I do need to ask, though as to when you made this video. It was 6 months(it's now June 12) and you keep saing he was snubbed by the hall of fame but he was elected to the hall on 12/4/22.
Fred McGriff Was Dangerous In His Prime
Great job brother. Keep them videos coming.
The most famous example(sorry if this is a spoiler Erik)...Mike Piazza, picked somewhere past the 70th round, by the Dodgers, as a favor to Tom LaSorda, who was a friend of Mike Piazza's dad
It shows that, in baseball, scouting and player evaluation is as much art as science...
Tomorrow's video is already scheduled so I can't change it; we will see where Piazza lands!
Piazza was drafted in round 62, not round 70-something.
One of the greatest all-time walkouts: Nen coming in to "Smoke on the Water" at Pac Bell.
my boy MARK GRACE. the cubs should have LONG retired his #17. Grace got MORE hits, and doubles in the 90's. than any other MLBP.
I used to watch Jim Edmunds back in the 1990s and 2000s being a native Angelino. I'm a Dodgers fan but I'll watch Angels game when my Dodgers aren't playing or when they play at home and my Dodgers are on the road!
Mark Grace and Wade Boggs could flat out hit!! Wade Boggs was one of the best, pure hitters in baseball in the 1980s and 1990s!! One of the greatest hitters, for sure!!
Great video dude! Love the choice of background music too.
I literally named my kids after Mark Grace. My son's name is Mark and my daughter's name is Grace
7:04 is worthy of the HOF all by itself. Best catch I've ever seen to this day.
Absolutely wonderful video so many memories and great players WOW.... Baseball is so hit and miss
- Nolan Ryan 12th round of 1965 draft by the Mets
- Jacob Degrom 9th round of 2010 draft by Mets
- Paul Goldschmidt 8th round of 2009 draft by Dbacks
- Ryne Sandberg 20th round of 1978 draft by Phillies
- Andre Dawson 11th round of 1975 draft by Montreal Expos
- John Smoltz 22nd round of 1985 draft by Tigers
I'm guessing this next one will be somewhere on your list (I've never seen a list of draft steals without him on it) - Mike Piazza 62nd round of 1988 draft by Dodgers
You got too much time on your hands
Is it really a steal when nobody has any interest in him and they just drafted him as a favor to his father?
The Conine story is insane given how many players are drafted cause they’re great hitters in high school or college and then go to the pros and can’t hit their weight. How did Conine as a college pitcher become an awesome hitter after being drafted as a mediocre starter. That really shouldn’t be possible to just all of a sudden be a great hitter like that. It was pretty much impossible to predict his career
This is a fantastic channel. Thank you for putting this stuff together.
jim thome's career high was 52 in 2002 with cleveland.
McGriff is in the HOF got in w the veterans committee
Jim thome had a career high 52 in 2002*
A highlight of Jim Thome hitting a home run against the Royals.......seemed like he hit 300 of his career total home runs against the Royals back in his Indians days.
Great research and equally great video. Thanks!
This was an amazing video bro.
I would like to see you do maybe the Top 20 of guys who did great in the minors but never got to the majors (or never got a full season in the majors... A few September games as the rosters expanded to 40 is ok)
I believe I did one pretty close to what you're describing...
m.ruclips.net/video/CqJRI4pQcxc/видео.html 💥 💥 💥
@@HummBabyBaseball I saw that... was hoping to hear more from last 40-50 years so they are relatable. Guys like Lavel Freeman should have had a better chance at making it.
@@RealBarefootIsLegal ok I will start working on it!
@@HummBabyBaseball Another fun idea... wold like to see a video based on siblings (or kids/parents) of famous ball players who just didn't cut it in majors (or stalling out in minors) guys like Dave Sax, Craig Griffey, Michael Garciaparra, Jayson Werth, etc.
@@RealBarefootIsLegal genius idea!
Saw McGriff play in A ball in Kinston NC. The next year Cecil Fielder was the first baseman for Kinston. Lots of power those 2 years.
Was it true about what David wells said about Kinston kkk coming to games and burning crosses?
Fun fact: Kenny loftons son (Kenny Lofton Jr.) is now playing in the nba and a center for the grizzlies
Fred finally made it into the Hall this year!
Predating sabernetics, Grace was virtual gamer's dream: 5:3 career BB to SO ratio. Yes, he had great hand-eye coordination and bat control. Above all, his knowledge of the strike zone left him with few contemporaries (Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs). He fielded 1st base with the best of his era.
Mark Grace AKA Gracie to his friends started the rally in the bottom of the 9th inning Game#7 World Series against 'hitless' Mariano Rivera and the NY Yankees which is how they won their one and only championship so far for the AZ Diamondbacks! ⚾🏆🤟FYI: He also sings pretty good @ karaoke bars which I found out as a singer myself and became one of his 'cool' friends. 🎶😃
Great baseball videos.
Beuhrle also pitched a perfect game.
Your comment about Mark Grace finishing second to Chrid Sabo in ROY voting could make for another great video. Top players to finish 2nd in ROY voting. Manny Ramirez in 94 to Bob Hamlin is even crazier than Grace/Sabo.
This proves the scouting basically means nothing, imagine how many stars were never drafted and quit playing altogether.
FRED MCGRIFF IS A HALL OF FAMER
No offense to your Giants.. but if Robb Nen went to the HOF.. he would go as a Marlin... he won a ring with the Fish
Troy Glaus ended Robb Nen's career with one swing
If I was a MLB gm I would be looking to get as many 7th round picks as possible. Ffs half the guys on this list we're 7th rounders
did not know about Robb Nen, thank you for the video!
Hi, excelent video, i really enjoyed
Correction on Conine.. although he was the only one to PLAY in both the 97 and 03 WS for the Marlins... Luis Castillo was a mid season call up in 1996 and 1997. Luis had almost 300 PA in 1997 and obviously got a ring... lost his roster spot when they traded for Craig Councell though. Also on both rosters was Rick Heilling.. but he was an after thought on both teams.. not sure if he got rings
Mark Buerhle was fucking amazing. I wish he would make the HOF.
This sounds dumb, but you have a great "RUclips" voice. Really enjoy the commentary
How could you not even mention Mark Buehrle's Perfect Game?
Cuz I'm not perfect like Buerhle was that day. My bad.
@@HummBabyBaseball very few are!
Edmonds might have to stay in the Hall of Very Good, but the Crime Dog should be in the Hall of Fame. It's not even close.
This video names too many guys--Hershiser, Lofton, et al--as yet-to-be-elected HoFers. No. Most of them will not ever be inducted.
Templeton got a bad rap. He was dazzling in St Louis, but there was a lot of animosity towards him. That field ruined his knees, so his spectacular career cooled there. But he was a good player and a great team guy. Templeton was a stick, and got to balls standing up that Smith had to dive for. Had his legs held up, he would have on in on the first ballot.
Man, Boggs had to wait in Triple-A. The Sox had Carney Lansford at 3rd and were in no hurry to move up Boggs. Finally, faced with losing him, the Sox traded Lansford and the rest is history.
Wade Boggs: May he Rest In Peace
He’s still alive.
Monday got a big signing bonus didnt he?
This channel is fire
Mike piazza gotta be number 1
I Hope you checked out the other video and found out!
Ichiro lead the 2000’s in hits
How is Kenny Lofton for Eddie taubensee not a more talked about shitty trade?
Good job
Edmonds should be in the Hall of Fame if only so I don't have to wait for Yordan Alvarez to give me a Hall of Famer who shares my birthday. And while we're at it, induct Conine, too! He also shares my birthday!
Mike Piazza
You watched part 2 right?
Love Marc Grace n I can't believe some of these guys aren't in the hof
Great content! Bad editing. (2 intros for most players)
McGriff made it this year.
Hey Hmm Baby, you want to check your facts? Ozzie Smith was by the Padres in 4th round.
Mike piazza. Wasn't he a low pick.
Jesus, man, is there an MLB player you don't think should be in the HOF? 😆
Conine the barbarian
So Jeff was stolen from the draft thief Royals?
All greats all hof numbers
Steve Carrollton
When he said Dick Nen I thought he said Dick Man and I thought now that’s a hell of a name
Piazza gone be number 1
Possible
I think it could be Albert Pujols. Piazza might be number 2.
@@cuddyfox6973 you're right how did I forget about him but didn't he say active players arent include.. technically he's not active though
@@coreygilliam8533 Nope. He is not active. He already turn in his retirement papers about a week and a half ago. In baseball, unlike any other sport, when a player say he is done, he is done. He does not do a Tom Brady.
@@cuddyfox6973 pretty sure Clemens came out of retirement. Could be remembering wrong though
The mlb draft has always been
A crapshoot never surprised
Put Crime Dog in the HOF.
He got in
👍👍👍👍
Also think there's gonna be a lot of roid heads lol
There is no evidence that steroids do anything for a baseball player.
Gracie was clutch for the dbacks in that 9th inning in 01 🫡
Dick Nenn is a WILD FUCKING NAME his parents had to be savages
GLENNY BALLS
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