Raging MTG Seller Thinks He's Getting Scammed
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- Raging Magic: The Gathering Seller Thinks He's Getting Scammed
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I had a TCGplayer seller try to refuse my refund request because “smoke isn’t covered in the card grading scale.” I physically scraped the grime off the card and sent it as photo evidence… he was removed as a seller the next week and I got my full refund lmao
I sold a whole case of about 2000 cards with cards from Arabian nights, legends, dark, etc. For like $40, and they were in bad shape. We had magic parties with drinking, smoking, whatnot all the time. It's cardboard and these people don't understand that the cleanliness of cards is important. Or they do and just wanna grab the money. I took out all the alphas and betas and sold them for a lot of money though... At that rarity I'm getting my money.
Smoking near cards would not create a physical grime you could see or touch. Sounds like he splooged on the cards lol
@@MahicalCheesePlease Never been in an old smokers house and seen how yellow the walls are? Smoke leaves residue all over.
@@MahicalCheesePleaseits called tar for a reason, it can totally condense on cards and ruin them
I had the opposite kind of exchange. I ordered an Akroma Angel of Wraith and the seller sent me an Akroma Angel of Fury. Since it was a gift for my father but he liked that card so he wanted to keep it. I messaged the seller and told them with pic to warn them of the mistake but said since my dad was happy with it card I told the seller I was still leaving a 5 star in each category and general positive message. I message them saying also I understand mistakes happen. They were so apologetic and insisted on sending me a free correct item. Thanked them and added them to favor sellers became I didn’t expect that.
Use to work in c/s for a huge company so I know how bad a review can impact someone. (Email surveys for me)
Smoke can stick and go through everything. Especially cards/paper material, it's like wrapping over it does nothing. But damn if someone pays for a product I'm pretty sure they don't want it to be stinky
so true
I don’t think Mr. Smokey paid attention to the fact that Rudy hates cards that smell like smoke😂 great to see another video, Nikachu!
Based on the sellers messages, I feel like the buyer was more than likely being honest here. However I will say I have personally witnessed multiple different scams through eBay and wouldn’t put it past someone to use the “smells like smoke” excuse to try to get free items. eBay almost ALWAYS sides with the buyer, and sometimes even refunds both parties in order to settle disputes. My personal favorite was a sale we made several years ago. Buyer received the item but complained it was made from a different material than expected (all material composition and measurements were in description of original listing). Buyer requested refund and proceeded to send back a nasty, used bathroom mat instead of the original item. EBay eventually just refunded both parties in the end and the buyer got a ~$45 item for free.
Best advice here is to ALWAYS check the sellers negative feedback (if any) before purchasing.
thats why when ever i buy something from ebay i check at their sellers rate if the positive seller rate is 99.9-100% i will buy, Anything else i will pass since i got scammed on a model kit from a 98% positiv rate seller, he claimed it was from the official brand but when i got it , it was from a 3rd party. so yeah ebay seller rate % is something to check on and sometimes check the negative and neutral since it might also affect your purchase
Yea I got scammed on ebay selling a vintage molded beer sign it was 30+ years old, pretty big and fragile as hell so it cost a lot to properly package and ship it across the country. I had great high resolution photos of the item from both sides. It's sold at auction for around $150 but shipping it cost another $40. Im guessing that the buyer had serious buyers remorse or something so they claimed to ebay that the item wasn't genuine, because according to them: "it should have some sort of genuine sticker on it". Ive sold a ton of stuff like it and ive never seen such a sticker which would be so easy to fake which is besides the point. But furthermore It came out of a storage room of a friend's who collected tons of beer memorabilia so I know it's legit. Worse is I had to pay another $40 to get them to ship it back and it came back all busted to shit in multiple pieces and basicly worthless. So I ended up loosing $80 in the deal and the item as ebay pretty much takes the buyers side in matters like this (reguarding "Fakes") and I was just SOL. Worst ebay encounter I've ever had out of +10,000 sales though.
@@SickBuckNaStY also from my scam, the minute i got it my hands the seller put the product as non-refundable and non-returnable, basicly meaning i was stuck with it, i was livid and ebay couldnt do a thing in their words, since they told me i didnt check if it was non-refund ect.. wich i did and he changed it the minute the package was set as delivered and before i opened it
@@ExTrEmEStOrW oh I've had sellers change their listing before once I raised an issue with them and before I could bring it up to ebay, so I'm familuar with that trick. Screenshot is your friend on that case but who expects an unreasonable person like that. Also my dad collects old model kits from the 50's to more modern stuff and he has over 100,000 kits in his collection mainly vehicles but he also has some military stuff too so let me know if your ever looking for anything specal and I can check the stash for it.
We've both been selling on ebay for over 2 decades.
@@ExTrEmEStOrW yeah i am with you there basically if a small individual seller has a moderately long history of positive transactions I will give them a go as long as they do not have more than 1 negative review to allow for a scam buyer/miscommunication on item. anything else is a risk honestly.
Really enjoyed putting the scientific method in your vidz. Want to see more myth tests please. Enjoyed seeing if the boosters were really water proof. You could go on with a whole series proving or busting MTG myths.
7:15 To settle an online dispute, Nikachu killed a god
Imagine that was Anointed Procession in that pack instead of Oketra.
Imagine if an Invocation was in that pack.
~$30 down the drain
I was so scared it was gonna be a foil anointed
I was honestly cringing when he opened the pack hoping it wasn't something like that lol.
Or a Masterpiece
Before leaving feedback everyone should message the seller first. It gives them an opportunity to address the issue.....I doubt it would of helped in this case, but still.
Going to use this advice the next time I have a positive experience. Give them a chance to talk me out of a good review.
@@nicholasiverson9784 if you had a good experience then there is no need to pursue anything else, just leave the good feedback and continue with your day. But sometimes honest mistakes happen and if you are unsatisfied it's only fair to reach out for the seller and hopefully he makes things right. If he doesn't then yes you can leave the negative feedback but give the situation a chance first in order to see if it was an honest mistake or not
@@nicholasiverson9784 🤣🤣.......but seriously I think it's important to give people a chance. I'm a business owner and I make mistakes all the time.......everyone does.
Yeah, that would be nice to the seller, but leaving truthful feedback is nice to the future buyers.
Idk I don’t run a business, but the customer is always right and it’s your responsibility to ensure they are satisfied.
Negligence and oversight happen often but it’s still something the market should be aware of regardless of circumstance.
Ebay has a great policy protecting buyers. I got scammed buying a card that was never shipped out to me and Ebay just covered the refund for me. Although it really scares me to think how cigarette smoke can get to cards like that. I bet a lot of sellers are not even aware about how smoking can destroy the quality of cards, even in sealed packs
My one big issue with ebay is that they let sellers mark items as shipped immediately even when they literally can't have been shipped. Pre-ordered some cards from Guilds of Ravnica back during spoiler season for that and the seller marked them as shipped a month before the set came out, but set the expected delivery date to a month and a half after it came out. Ebay wouldn't let me cancel the order because it was "shipped" and they wouldn't let me open a ticket because the estimated delivery date hadn't past yet. He ended up never sending the cards to anyone who preordered them, dozens of complaints on his page about it. I eventually got a refund, but not until the cards I'd ordered shot up to 10x the price I ordered them for. I stopped using ebay entirely after that.
@@ChillyJack yeah, that is similar to my situation. I found out that I just need to check how old the seller account is. A seller who has been on eBay is very unlikely to try and scam buyers by taking the money and running. If you ever decide to give eBay another shot I recommend looking at the seller history.
Imagine getting an Invocation Force of Will lottery card on that pack lol
it would still be worth well over $150 USD even with the water damage
I once left a TCGplayer store a bad review because I paid for a grad the night before spiked and they refused to sell it to at the old price. A little back and forth. Then a week later the sent me ripped up fake demonic tutor and it said to F-off. Lolol
you should have sued them. both of those things are illegal
@@pobodysnerfect9270 ripping up Demonic Tutor isnt illegal, neither is sending offensive letters (at least in the US) but the first thing is
@@oz_jones incorrect.
No, a store cannot legally raise the price of an item once you have paid for it. If the store accepted a check, cash, or placed a charge on a customer’s credit card, this is considered a completed written contract, regardless of whether the item has been delivered or picked up and whether or not it is actually in the customer’s possession.
18 U.S.C. § 1461- Mailing obscene or crime-inciting matter
It is, however, considered fraud to manufacture, ship or sell forged, fake, or counterfeit items under federal law.
I'm pretty sure tobacco smoke getting soaked up by trading cards through sealed boosters would be a matter of Chemistry, not Physics.
Well chemistry is essentially just applied physics, so it's a bit of both.
that sure is pedantic 😤
Managed an LCS for many years.
On time we sent a sale for about $2000 in cards to a South American country. Week or so later buyer tells eBay he never received the cards. We were unable to get tracking to that country so we had no way to dispute. EBay refunds the buyer. 3-4 days later he messages us, through eBay's message system mind you, to say the cards had just showed up & they were awesome. We ask him to pay us back then & he says "Why? I have the cards & the money now."
We bring this to the attention of eBay (remember this message had gone through their messaging system) & they told us they couldn't do anything about it.
That was the end of shipping internationally for our store chain.
Funny enough, we had taken the money out of our PayPal account already so we could ring the sale through our register so when eBay took the money, our PayPal account went $2000 negative. We just abandoned the account & never paid the money.
I learned something today. 😌 Luckily I try to keep all of my smoke away from the area that I keep my cards. But I'm going to now be investing more into more proper storage in case I've been accidently hurting them without realizing.
Yeah, if you smoke inside and you have a card collection, I would suggest investing in some airtight thick plastic containers to stick them in, especially if they aren't being played/used regularly
With the narration guy smoking pipes I cry myself .... So much fun xD
Yeah, that is a major reason I go outside to smoke. I have all kinds of cards in my room, it would totally trash my collection. I did not know it could go through packaging, good to know.
Funnily enough I had a package of cards come from PSA or Panini (I don't remember which one it was as they both came in around the same time) that smelled heavily of cigarettes. Thankfully the smell didn't transfer onto the cards or anything, but it was pretty gross. I can see why you'd get rid of any unwanted cards.
You are brave putting the pack in water! The whole time I was worried it was gonna be something really rare, and they're not even my cards. The seller really needs to learn how to punctuate!
I find it hard to believe that the smell of smoke would go through foil packaging to be quite honest.
it appears the foil packaging itself is not air tight
The real villain in the video is Nikachu.
He sunk a booster in water! Oh god…
The guy puffing on pipes and cigars both made me want to enjoy one again as I do every so years and hate how much they make we’re going at it.
Oketra, the true? More like Owetra, the (water got) through.
Never would have thought smoke smell would be a problem with buying or selling of cards. What a surprise.
Gasses, like cigarette smoke, can pass through even solid objects. Observable by how balloons, especially helium filled ones, will empty over time. If you're living with a heavy smoker below you in an apartment building, their smoke will get into your apartment for instance.
The water test was effective, but, even if the packs had been water tight, they could still be penetrated by light gas forms.
This is absolutely hilarious! What an absolute moron this seller was, more of these vids Nikachu!
Better not let this man near any tires, he wouldn't be able to comprehend how it can deflate over time.
I was mega afraid you were gonna inadvertently going to water damage an Invocation 😅
I bought some cards on Card Market (American living in Poland). They were mostly Reserved List cards from Ice Age and Homelands. One of the Ice Age cards was supposed to be EX but it was GD to LP…at best. So I let him know that one of the cards wasn’t graded properly in the review. I probably could have done it in a private message but 🤷♂️. They then began to get hostile stating that I was being ridiculous about a $1 card that was 26 years old. I wasn’t complaining. I didn’t ask for a refund or replacement. Oh well, I spend about $300 on cards a month…his loss 😉.
6:57 - "Make sure I do this is one take"
*ad plays
XD
To answer your question, yes. I had this experience many times. Cigarette cards, damaged cards, improperly packaged cards. I ultimately stopped buying MTG cards on ebay.
Those slits in the card packs have been around for at least 15 years. They're a grip to make it easier to open the packs.
imagine it was invocation force of will or something in the pack. I dont think you could even show the damaged card on camera XD
He's probably glad you haven't seen the first two packs he tried. 😁
The entire counterargument could be debunked with one question:
"If the cards didn't smell like smoke, then how did I know that you're a smoker?"
I’ve been play magic for 26 years now and I at a time played professionally. So I gotta say I love your channel! It’s like a time vault has opened and I get to see all the stuff I lived through 😃.
Glad you enjoy it!
Not MTG but so many similar experiences buying vinyl records online. I bought a cover in "Near Mint" condition and it had a tear on the back, effectively a piece of the back is missing and unreadable. Obviously not NM. Another classic is records graded "Near Mint" or "Excellent" (very close to NM) but has scratches that affects that sound on multiple rotations. This happens all the time. I'll buy a record as Near Mint and when I sell it I have to downgrade it not one, not two, but three steps in order to get a fair rating and this slashes the value in half.
Sounds like Mr. Smokey needs to watch more Alpha Investement. Rudy would side with the seller. Cigarette smoke is awful.
Went and watched this after you mentioned in your talk show that it didn’t get views. I enjoyed watching it. I think maybe the title was the reason I didn’t click on it before, because it looked like it could have been an unboxing video or something like this, which I’m not always in the mood for. If the title said something about there being a funny exchange between sellers or something, it might have caught my eye easier?
That’s a good point.
No more Nikachu MERFOLK MASTER title! you are now regular Nikachu
Love your videos, man. Kept popping up in my recommended about. 3 weeks ago. I started playing, now I have my wife playing, and im 1 level away from being mythic in arena. Thanks mang keep it up.
Glad to hear it! Get to #1 for me!
As the customer service person at work (read, manager) you would be surprised how often people are wrong about things or make stuff up because they want something for free.
HOWEVER, unlike Smokey the Bear here, kill them with kindness. It's a fine art of being nice to people when they piss you off. It makes life ten times easier and funnier, and it helps to separate the ones bsing you from the ones genuinely bringing problems to you
my cousin is one of those people sadly. she gets free meals that way or gets lucky and gets a ton of free food. she knows how to scam people very well and sues them too hahaha idk how she gets away with any of it
Only thing that would be funnier is you ruining an invocation in that booster.
I KNEW there would be a Mythic rare in the pack! Every time I destroy some packs por some absurd reason like doing bets with friends, there's somethign rare inside!, but when I open to actually pull some cards, there's none!
I had something like this with an eBay seller only it wasn’t magic cards, sadly some people are total idiots, found this video enjoyable thanks for uploading
4:20 - The double pipe action really discredits his arguments. Lol
Addendum: 7:53 - Triple pipe action?! Nani?!
Finished a AlphaInvestments video right before I watched this one. Now I've giggled allover myself. Thanks bro!
Funny thing is non polar chems will dissolve in plastic and cardboard with ease
Would be fine if you could use literal non plastic foil to wrap the package but alas
...I want that 3D printed trashcan deck box so bad
Having had a chainsmoker for a father, yea no cig/tobacco smoke permeates /EVERYTHING/, I had to struggle hard to protect any of my collectibles, shrink wrap, foil, boxes don't do anything especially if kept around an unvented area a chainsmoker lives in.
If someone wants to chainsmoke, that's their own lung tar prerogative, but they can't just pretend it does nothing to the likes of collectibles, plastics, cardboard etc, especially if they want to /sell collectibles/.
Had a guy try to tell me a pokemon card wasnt a promo because it didn't say "promo" with the black star. Was a shatterfoil holo rare promo from a specific Tin. Wanted to pay me 50cents for a card worth $10 at the time and which is worth more now. Just aggravating. He made this low ball offer, I said no way. Dude is mad and talking shit saying I am crazy and charging too much and no one will ever buy the card.
Thats facebook for you though. The people on there are so stupid they can't even look up card prices themselves and constantly ask how much their cards are worth. Lots of scammers on there too. And a buncha a-holes who are mad that some of the rarer cards are hundreds of dollars. Saying it ruins the hobby. Lol what. Why would you want your collection to be worthless??
im a smoker and a seller i learned my lesson with my first sell on tcgplayer the seller handle it way wrong should have been more professional about took it on the chin and said ok. he should have offered to refund the packs that the rares weren't included in or just fully refund it. would have been way easier than this mess. Besides that love the vids Nikachu keep it up!
Saying eBay did an investigation is pretty funny. They automatically side with the buyer. The seller can’t even try to argue.
Everytime, I dont even try lol
I had someone do leave a review on some manga i sold them on ebay saying that the books reeked of cigarette smoke and caused an asthma attack. I don’t smoke and neither do my cats so I’m still unsure what happened there 🤔
Great Video. And sadly a recurring problem, when people make their hobby to a business and still behave like doing their hobby.
Nikachu bro you've gotta try mind link mech in merfolk tribal!!! Use a lord to crew the mech and suddenly the entire team is way bigger
Seller: Taco Bell do you make smoke flavored Taco Meat? I'd like a heap of it.
The pack going in the water... it... hurt me. Awesome video!
i very much enjoyed the waterboarding
Practical Experiments vastly improve every video 😁
Speaking as someone who doesn't smoke, the smell of smoke can be a massive deal breaker in a lot of circumstances, especially if the person selling the cards smokes heavily. The smell of a light smoker's household and that of a heavy smoker is a lot, since that of a light smoker typically only clings to themselves while that of a heavy smoker permeates from everything they own. I had a hard time even being near my aunt because she smoked so heavily, the smell was pretty much permanent on her person.
Also, if you're going to smoke, at least do so outside or away from things you want to sell. Because, for a non smoker, the scent of heavy smoke can be extremely unpleasant, even stomach turning.
an ionizer machine should be able to remove the smoker’s smell
Could you imagine if opening that pack and there is a force of will masterpiece dripping wet
had the issue with a low cost vintage game I picked up off ebay as a gift for a family member. It was meant to be a sealed copy but reeked like nothing else of tobacco smoke and the seller was offended when I returned it. Its not difficult to clearly list your items as being/not being from a smoke free home and it will protect you from returns due to smoke damage and yes the smell is damage to the item.
Geez that guy was not called smokey for nothing. Guy smoking 3 pipes at once chugging out more smoke than a Semi Truck
I would have thought this was cap if not for this video. I would think that cigarettes wouldn't go through the packaging.
Somehow i'm sure someone at some point used (parts of) a card to smoke tabacco
hahaha that is a smoker. Blind of smoke, blind of taste and certainly blind of smell.
Digging these stories 👌
I want to test this and see if it works
i have my brothers cards now, he put his house on fire and well didn't end well , so most of his cards and decks smell like smoke and i do agree it stinks but i managed to get rid of the smell by putting the cards in a space with a lot of circulating air, with candle near them and sometimes just doing a small Febreze pass on them, did that for 1-2 weeks and now that don't smell as bad
I was waiting for a lottery card to pop up in that booster and Nikachu be all..."....omg.....what have i done...."
Ive never opened a booster box and all of the packs be cut open.... Seems like a manufacturing defect to packaging.
TBH I've seen nonsmokers standing beside a running car's exhaust complaining about a person smoking 250 feet away.
I used to smoke.
Stil have all my cards from the years of smoking, the years of my parents smoking (I started magic in 3rd grade, so my stuff from the 90s was in a home with 2 smokers, plus a wood stove for almost 2 decades) and those cards dont smell like smoke.
The real hero is the actor for mr smokeyface. That was impressive.
eBay is a shit hole. I only go on there to buy things that my LGS’s don’t have. Amazon is even worse.
He keeps saying it couldn’t smell because it’s double shrink wrapped, yet he also knows the guy isn’t making this up and clearly smells the smoke. I think this is empirical evidence against his claim that he is boldly ignoring lol
It could’ve been worse. It could’ve wreaked of cat piss.
Cat piss is by far the worst. Most smells will dissipate over time and exposure to air, but I swear cat piss has a 50 year half life.
You want to see how much damage smoke can do from a smoker just open up the inside of a desktop computer that's been sitting in a smokers house. The black Greasy tar all over everything will just about make you sick!
4:39 I’m sorry, but square root of -1 is legal as soon as you define i with
i square = -1
Hey Face to Face is having some upcoming tournaments you going to be at any of them?
If they go to Winnipeg, then yes!
Kitten goddess cruelly submerged into sea 🙀😿😿
I love your videos nikachu, giggity taco, but how you talked to that booster pack when you submerged it was sussy
My lungs hurt when he had 3 pipes going at once
How fucking *BAD* do you have to smoke to penetrate two layers of plastic PLUS a layer of ALUMINUM?!
That's...intentional. It HAS to be!
All I could think of was a drowned masterpiece. Phew!
Have a blessed day, friend!
I thought sealed packs were waterproof. I don't think smoke can get through it
Nikachu, why are your videos so good?
I'm just that good
Lol, great production
Bro I hate people that sell things while smoking why can't they seal it first and go smoke outside.
At-least that Amonket pack was a dud, and not some crazy Invocation
Had an auction I thought was four dark depths I won for $20 and the cards came as proxy. I'm all disappointed and say something to the seller who declares it was wassup wtf
Now i want to see Rudy review this
How about when I bought 4 $250 boxes off StockX and they shipped with a permanent StockX sticker slapped right over the logo on the plastic. I emailed them like “this is borderline damaged packaging” they did not give an f.
Cigarettes are the number one flag you can wave saying "I'm a fucking moron!"
It's such a stupid habit, and you have to TRY to pick it up. You have to make yourself power through the initial discomfort of forcing something into your lungs that shouldn't be there, until you become accustomed to it.
Nikachu what happened to you man.... no im just messin with ya. This was entertaining. I liked the cardmarket grading video as well.
Bro I smoke but I would never smoke near my expensive cards especially cards I'm selling going to other people
Is there some type of method to get rid of the smoke stink?
Not that I know of
Try putting them in a plastic bag in the freezer for 2 weeks. I do that with my books and cards.
I would have LOST MY SHIT if you pulled a masterpiece from that wet pack!!! Love the science
The buyer didn't even originally ask for a refund or anything.