In Germany, it's common for businesses to share private parking in malls. If you stay there for a designated time and buy at their store, upon check-out, you can give the cashier your parking ticket so they annul the fee on it. So the idea is that only customers enjoy free parking.
@@MrCmon113it's an inconvenience when a large amount of space that lots of people would want to use is being taken up by a stationary object for several hours.
Supply and demand. There is more demand for extremely limited city-center parking than there is for the seemingly endless supply of convenience store clerks. (I don't mean to demean convenience store clerks, but to highlight the disparity.)
When I lived in the Boston suburbs and worked in the Financial District, I never drove in. 3 days of parking would be more expensive than my monthly transit pass ... not to mention the stress of driving in rush hour with BOSTON DRIVERS! And parking in downtown Boston was comparatively cheap ... $30 a work day.
I'm curious what is it about Boston drivers that give them so much notoriety (or should I say motoriety)? When I went to BU I didn't have a car, and every time I revisit Boston I take the T or walk, just like back then. I do recall some seemingly fast drivers along Comm. Ave, but those were probably mostly impatient, risk-taking students. So are bad drivers citywide the result of too many students and clueless tourists, or a rush-rush work culture, an ingrained defensive driving mentality, or too many one-way roads? I imagine it's a combination of those.
@@DashingPartyCrasher Boston is a difficult city to drive in, as the layout was set before there were cars. Streets are narrow, crowded, and navigation is difficult. As a result, many drivers make sudden turns, speed up randomly, almost overshoot their turn. and so on. Plus, there's an attitude that using turn signals is giving information to the enemy. I would call it an ingrained *offensive* driving mentality. I lived in the Boston suburbs for 15 years. Non-rush hour suburban driving was fine, but I refused to drive in Boston or Cambridge. And I had no need to ... the transit system is far from perfect, but I was able to get everywhere I needed to go.
Depends on where you live specifically and whether or not you're going in by yourself. Pre-pandemic, I have always preferred to drive in. Plenty of places nearby with monthly parking around $350-$400, pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Parking at MBTA station is $9 and ticket is about $2.25(assuming you're on monthly T pass). The extra to get away from all the people on the T, and potential MBTA hiccup, i would say money well spent. The monthly parking allows you to visit on the weekend conveniently, so there is additional saving from weekend activities.
I live in New York City but I’m still stunned by those NYC numbers. Parking garages have always been exorbitant here, but I didn’t know it had gotten that high for just two hours. Incredible.
It makes sense though. In Amsterdam 1m² costs €8000 and depending on use another €240 per m² (on average) per year in taxes. A standard parking space in Europe is 5x2.3m or about 11.5m². So that means €92,000 in upfront cost for the parking space + €2,760 per year in taxes. Assuming 10 years of operating that space costs the owner €32 a day to just own on its own. Take a 60% occupancy rate and they would have to charge at least €55 a day to break even. But it isn't just that, it needs parking meters or an actual garage and that easily goes into multiple times that a day + depreciation and maintenance. Anything on top of that is just pure profit. And supply and demand means a private owner will raise prices until it impacts their profits. I am sure NYC has higher ground prices and taxes so $20 an hour starts looking pretty reasonable. Car parking is just one more subsidy to cars that is in no way covered by road taxes that car owners forget about.
That's because parking here is a complete monopoly, supported by politicians. Politicians want parking to be expensive to get back at cat owners and don't care that it just gucks over the middle class for the benefit of a few rich guys
Interesting to see the different strategies. My city currently plans to do a massive change in that too: Currently the just 600 onstreet parking spots are cheaper than any parking garage and always filled to the brim. On the other end, the parking garages combine for well over 3000 spots and have much more than those 600 spots free at any given time, even the saturdays before christmas. So the city now wants to curb down on onstreet parking: making it more expensive than a parking garage, turn several spots into residential and loading only and completely remove problematic parking spots. On street parking will basically only stay, if it's already on the route to a parking garage and doesn't hinder the flow of traffic (meaning primarily bike traffic, which already makes the vast majority within the city center).
In my city in NZ, on street parking is free for 2 hours (to attract shoppers), but then after 2 hours is $8/hour (to prevent employees using them all, all day). Moving your car every 2 hours isn't a work around, the parked cars are tracked by council workers driving cars around tracking license plates.
We have a few of those free 2hr sections in WLG, but within the city centre is just standard parking fees when you arrive. Even so, it's real easy to just park on the 2hr parking on the sides and go about your day - no one ever checks haha. Haven't paid for parking in 8 years.
IMO, the most expensive parking space isn't determined by the price someone pays to park there. It's determined by the opportunity cost of what that ~150 square feet could generate if it was used for something productive, like an outdoor dining shed.
Even if it’s not turned into an active revenue space, there’s still a larger expense for that space to the consumers, businesses & city than is ever recovered by taxes, fees or fines. Turning it into a protected bike lane wouldn’t create a revenue source but it would increase the number of people who would spend more at the shops along these stretches than the cars & people in them do, as well as being more pleasant for pedestrians, regardless how they arrive to the area.
though its difficult to make use of the land how its spread now instead of what it could be used if the city were designed without it in the first place this is actually how nyc has $340billion worth of FREE on street parking not even including the metered or garage parking
If it didn’t generate that demand and that price to compete with other services, then that space would theoretically be better off being bought by something else that’d make higher returns.
@@ac1455 it’s okay to have space between the front of buildings that aren’t owned by the adjacent property owners so everyone can access the buildings. Otherwise it’d be an open mall. Just because the new use doesn’t make revenue either doesn’t mean it’s a bad use of common space.
I said "up to 30 usd an hour". not from. there are also free parking lots for hybrids and electrics, but the discussion was about the most expensive places. I invite you to the parking lot near Sanador Buzești, famous for its high prices. and as you can see, in this comments section, there are a lot of people that add to the story, with places in their country that are more expensive. add, not make fun of. disappointing. bye. @@alexandrunechifor
In The Hague, Netherlands, there is actually a flat 50 euro rate to park your car in certain places. That means that even if you park for 10 minutes, you still pay 50 euros. This would make it much more expensive than any cities discussed here!
City Nerd spends a ton of time on how off-street parking and parking minimums have gutted cities. We have not so much built our cities around cars as having bulldozed our cities to provide parking. It’s a vicious cycle of cheap parking inducing car travel, sprawling our cities and making cycling and transit impractical and dangerous.
Having some parking space at semi affordable prices can be a huge advantage for a city. The lack and expense of parking has often dissuaded me, my friends and my family from going to the city. I really mostly go to get wasted. And if I wasn't young and fit I wouldn't take trains and busses at all. Those are horrible if you're old or otherwise disabled.
The issue with reducing parking is that you can't do that without improvements in public transportation without making it a worst of both worlds situation where parking is scarce and public transportation is inadequate. We already see that in much of NYC and SF where it seems like there simply isn't a good way to get around. For example, in Flushing, Queens there is no subway service except from the west meaning that anyone coming from any other direction has to travel by bus (or the LIRR, but that is primarily designed for commuting) or drive. The issue is that their is scarce parking and the buses are slow and unreliable, especially outside of peak hours.
There’s definitely a difference between charging for on-street parking based on supply and demand versus removing on-street parking. Over time, reducing parking demand & allowing those spaces to be reallocated to active uses (bicyclists, pedestrians, delivery & pickup/drop off) should be an objective. By having a transition plan, many of the growing pains can be minimized. During that time, we should also consider how we offer goods & services to our neighborhoods. No easy answers but our current systems are broken for all but the behemoth corporations.
@@ttopero: I feel like charging based on supply and demand and removing on street parking both have serious issues that punish poor people unless they improve public transportation as well.
Poor people often live in spaces most impacted by traffic noise and pollution. They also often don't own a car as they are expensive. While I'm all for alternatives to cars and believe we should fight poverty harder, I doubt there is much harm to social justice by these measures.
@@Jacksparrow4986: Many of them do have cars and would have to chose between taking that car and struggling to find parking or taking a bus and have it take 4x as long. I would know because that used to be me.
That's not technically true even if you assume that everyone will drive. There are strategies that individuals can employ to reduce their parking usage. People can carpool with friends as opposed to having each individual bringing their own car. People can also be encouraged to finish their business more quickly, reducing the amount of time that they consume a parking spot. And except in the most sprawling suburbs, walking is an option for at least some fraction of visitors.
Toronto is facing a massive budget shortfall, so city council decided to remove the cap on on-street parking prices, allowing the board of city agency Green P (the Toronto Parking Authority) to charge whatever they want. Hopefully with our progressive mayor and more progressive council, we will see these prices climb well above the $4-5 CAD/hr we have
It's mind blowing that so many people not only deal with terrible traffic but also exorbitant costs to drive in the city with the best transit in the US.
Got to love the reference to 'crusing' for a parking spaces. In the 80's and 90's in Chicago, this was a sport to find free parking, especially near Wrigley Field or downtown around Lower Wacker Drive.
Crazy prices. In city center of Munich Germany, I pay 2$ per hour or 11$ for the whole day on street and 3-5$ per hour in a parking garage. Paying prices like 55$ per hour in NYC sounds insane. How expensive are the fines for on street parking without a ticket? In Munich I have to pay 20$ for parking without a ticket on street. Since I the chances of getting caught are not that high, I often don't buy a ticket and on average it is cheaper to park without a ticket than buying one everytime.
In Chicago, parking cost isn’t the real issue🤏 The insane fine for snow level, street cleaning, police activities are more problematic as the warning signs sometime pop up suddenly 🤷♀️
Apparently in Santa Monica, California, they have cameras at each on-street parking meters, and when there's time still in the meters and the car is gone, it resets back to 0, so other people can't use left over time. While Santa Monica I making high profits.
Wow! All this sounds so dystopian to someone who doesn’t drive. 😅 I don’t really want to know how much parking demand changes if I want to get downtown and drink coffee. I don’t even want to drive there
My city just increased parking prices by more than 10x in the centre overnight. From around 30 usd a year to around 45 usd a month. It has been a month, and the amount of cars hasn't decreased... I hope it was just a gradual step and not actually the solution
I would like to see cities shift from parking minimums, to parking maximums (in terms of parking spaces, not fees). So much valuable land is used for a single person to park their metal box on for several hours at a time.
In Sweden you commonly pay with an app on your phone. That makes it possible for shops to have parking lots where you can leave the car for a limited time but starts paying after that runs out. That prioritises the customers as people who would use the place as any public parking most times looks for other, cheaper parking lots. A quick rotation of cars reduces the necessity of huge parking areas.
@@MrLegendra Don't forget increase cost in goods and services due to businesses having to cover the cost of providing the parking. Also, huge increase costs in housing and rents due to parking minimums making productive development patterns non-viable and implicitly favoring SFH.
Consider hotel rooms, its quite reasonable to assume that NYC hotel rooms will be more expensive than those in Phoenix all else being equal. You pay a premium for location. Parking is the same, its storage which is a consumable resource.
FEEDBACK I did appreciate the animation, actually. Thank you for the effort that you put into this. Thank you also for showing that parking costs can be used as a congestion tax. I never thought of it that way. It is a much more efficient way of taxing people to decongest, and it helps the right people.
it seems intuitive that parking meters would be hard coded to lower their price for every 5 minutes it's not being used for example and after it is used, the price is reset to some base amount
It seems to me like it would make the most sense to charge more for on-street parking. Pay extra for the convenience. And I think generally, parking should be far reduced in number to use that space for better things.
I did a road trip with my dad last year in the US. We are not American or familiar with driving in the US. Anyway, he insisted driving / staying in Downtowns (ironically walkability), instead of getting a suburban hotel by local transit and commuting in. It was a nightmare, not only was it expensive but it was also confusing as some of the places required booking and the entry ways into the parking garages were often very tight to get into. We ended up driving around Philadelphia on same one way road loop for like 45 mins just trying to get into the entrance 😭 Never again. (I would’ve preferred trains but Murica u know)
Dutch cities have been removing parking spaces for cycling space for many years now. Especially Amsterdam, but Utrecht is also pretty good at it! Both Utrecht and Amsterdam just don't have that many off street parking spots. Or they can be purchased by residents. It is interesting though that parking in a car dependant country in a big (relatively of course, Dutch cities are quite small compared to NY or Chicago) city is just as expensive as it is in a country trying to drastically reduce cars and car traffic.. The dynamic rates do make sense though. You would expect to see them more often, wouldn't you...
Car ownership isn’t really « having access to a car ». You can chose to not have one or even choose to reside in a place where it’s too complicated/expensive to have one.
I parked in a parking meter space and a constable walked up to me, and wondered what I was doing. I told him the parking meter was full, because I could not put a dollar coin in it. He said he will issue a parking ticket if I don't move on. At least the coppa knew the problem. I took up his option and drove away.
"Business owners are often advocating for free parking" -- this is a bad generalization. If your city is dense enough for "foot traffic," no business owner will fight for free parking if they can get a bigger piece of pie in foot traffic.
Cities should charge market-rate for parking. Developers and property owners shouldn't be required to pay for parking. Curb cuts should incur a monthly cost on to the property owner based on the useful public space inhibited by providing access.
Can confirm Brisbane being on the list. I parked in the Myer centre car park on a whim ~5 years ago aaand got wrecked for AUD$40 for about an hour. Probably could have got it cheaper if I’d booked online, but this was just an on the spot decision with a friend.
@@Snowshowslow fine.. but we really should make specialized little electric vehicles so they can park easier, take up less space, and be able to just roll in their wheelchair (I've seen a few, they are actually pretty cool rolling in from the hatchback design)
@@matthewboyd8689 You shouldn't make anything. I don't understand how you get this monstrous arrogance to think that you should decide what everyone else is doing.
@@MrCmon113 oh, you mean like car makers get to decide to make 5000 pound trucks People can decide to buy what they want but if nobody makes useful things then the useful things don't exist And THESE EXIST! Europe is so far ahead of America
Next to the London Stock Exchange data centre, on-street, in the City of London (can't tell you the address), was GBP 16 an hour when I last checked a server there in 2018.
Edinburgh Scotland never gets mentioned in stories about parking, but from my frequent visits there, it is the most aggressive city I've encountered when it comes to parking enforcement. On one visit, while my wife needed to return some items at a store on Princess Street, I parked in nearby 20-minute spaces and kept a close eye on the several parking checkers working this central area. I moved the car from space to space 4 times while waiting for her. Edinburgh's parking tickets are pricey. There are many off street parking garages, but these tend to be filled with central area employees. The light rail from the airport to Princess Street is the best way to visit central Edinburgh. There is a large free park and ride lot at the airport and the tram has multiple stops in the central area.
It's very hit-and miss. Leith Walk has become notorious for vehicles parking on the pavement (and thus damaging it). Pavement/sidewalk parking has just become illegal in the city as of this month so we will see if that changes anything. Driving in the historic centre of the city is so bad that most people just get the bus. Our council owned/run bus network is one of the best in the UK.
@@BoBandits Darn right I did. I've paid Edinburgh parking tickets and, if it weren't for the tram being there now, I would do the move the car thing again.
Princes street is honestly a nightmare for cars, yet there are few ways to avoid it, especially if you want to go somewhere closeby. Pretty infuriating
The most expensive parking space to buy is Hong Kong. A parking bay in the tiny neighbourhood of Mount Nicholson on The Peak fetched over HK$10 million (US$1.3 million). It’s just a space with white lines around it. Big enough to park a normal car. Nothing special.
If you live in a car-centered small town outside NYC, what are your options for getting to Manhattan other than driving there? Are there some kind of park-and-ride stations in the Subway network? (Genuinely curious, not trying to advocate for free parking. I lived some time in the US but on the West Coast, don't really know the NYC area well.)
Yes, there are tons of park ride stations on our commuter rail systems which are heavily used. Almost everyone on the PATH train drove and parked at one of its stations, same.wirh NJT, LIRR, METRO NORTH, ETC.
the ideal solution would be to remove on-street parking over time and enforce off-street parking. THis will free up public space that is just wasted and blocked by cars. increasing the on-street parking prices like European cities do, is a way in that direction. Which is also reflected in mandatory off-street parking for new developments in most cities. Cars on the streets simply are ok if they are in use, but not when not in use.
well in turkey and albania and rumania ,the donkeys(Balkan Jeep) shit on antiquities but they still allow them.i guess you have a strange humor.@@mariaansley1519
Making Parking expensive should not be a solution to car centric bs in North American cities, I go to LAFC games and the parking is just as much as the tickets, and it's only going up. For reference, the parking in the official lot is 60+, we park for 50 in a lot almost a mile away, you can't park for less than 40 anywhere
❌u missed one essential side❌ Parking fees r not the only issue, parking violations are🤏 Chicago, for example, charge u a lot for all kinds of parking violations even if u paid ur parking fees. Level of snow or street cleaning complicated signs can pop up at any time & no matter how legal ur parking is u have to pay high fine if u didn’t move ur car during the prohibited time🤷♀️
Yes, but it is an example of something you could do instead of having on street parking. I'd grant you most of the other options would be considered first.
After reading Shoup’s parking tome, I’m convinced that NYC would have been better off to have a dynamic parking system in place than to charge a congestion fee for lower Manhattan. I love it if that were a video in & of itself; it’d probably be worth the cost of a Nebula subscription!
The on street parking prices would probably go north of 50/hr during all but the darkest of nights. Add in the fact some employers would subsidize the cost and you could easily see the on paper cost climb to 80/hr
@@Carsonist I’d like to see how charging for parking affects congestion before adding more regulations on a heavily regulated city. The parking structures can still charge what they want & would probably support dynamic pricing for on-street parking since it could mean more money to them. Use the forces that people say they want to create the environment they want & then show them their hypocrisy when they complain about it! Americans always want everything free for them & expensive to everyone else-& other variations of all for me & none for you.
@@Demopans5990 it could in the most in demand places, but people are probably already paying more than they realize for the full cost of getting to their destination. At least if they were able to find a parking spot for $50-$80/hr without driving around for half an hour or longer, they’d be happier finding the spot than complaining about the cost. Especially if a full car, upscale destination & already planning to spend hundred$ or thousand$! The rest of us will benefit from safer streets, less congestion, cleaner air, easier to get to our destination & dropped off at the front door, etc. it’s better for everyone!
Woah are the prices taht expensive in NYC? I live in the metro area and when I (stupidly, I know) DRIVE into NYC I pay like $20 or less for a few hours of parking in manhattan….. not too wild if I have passengers to justify!
nearly 100 quarters i think your thumbnail is fake maybe even CG generated because the coin cup cant hold that many quarters also the old style parking meters i doubt can even be set to charge that much. i have scrapped out an old soda vending machine and even those have a limit of $5 and that used modern coin mechs.
So the on-street parking is so expensive in NYC because there is so many cars (too much demand)? That's an excuse. I live in the second most densely populated place in the USA (Union City, NJ), with a lot of cars and very hard to find a parking spot and I only need quarters to feed the parking meters. And guess what. I always find a parking space during the day, it's hard, but you will always find one. NYC is just stealing people's money.
7:56 those damned employees, trying to park near their jobs!! Maybe if owners provided employee parking near the building, like how they always seem to have, that would eliminate that particular problem. But in many of those jobs, employees are just commodities, not worth that level of investment. And the boss in many of those joints will fight the tax increases needed to provide functional mass transit. At least here in the United States. Some because they legitimately can't afford it, more because they just don't want to give up the money to help others.
I don't understand why cities where everyone drives cars don't just build a giant skyscraper parking location in the center where everyone parks then there's mini busses that take people to where they want to go.
The future could be autonomous self driving cars that provide door-to-door service without needing to park in areas youre going to. Then the roads are clogged up with empty private cars circulating around.
It is mind-blowing to me that people would spend $344 to park their car in New York City during business hours.
These are the same people who want a hand out from the government when times are bad.
I’m always amazed when people drive into NYC
seems cheaper to hire a full time chauffeur
I didn’t expect to see you here, Mr. Beat.
Some people are so wealthy that they don’t even notice that amount of money. And a lot of them live in NYC.
In Germany, it's common for businesses to share private parking in malls. If you stay there for a designated time and buy at their store, upon check-out, you can give the cashier your parking ticket so they annul the fee on it. So the idea is that only customers enjoy free parking.
In some cases, parking aside the streets is even cheaper than buying a bus ticket, but you're lucky if you find a vacant space.
I did not know that, it sounds smart
It’s crazy to me that a parking spot in New York makes more than the hourly rate of a human.
I mean you're paying to inconvenience hundreds of other people and/or waste space that could be used to house people, so I get it
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It's an inconvenience when not every single centimeter of a city is built up?
@@MrCmon113 No. But I would rather have a small public park for the local people to enjoy than 50 extra parking spaces for people from out of town.
@@MrCmon113it's an inconvenience when a large amount of space that lots of people would want to use is being taken up by a stationary object for several hours.
Supply and demand. There is more demand for extremely limited city-center parking than there is for the seemingly endless supply of convenience store clerks. (I don't mean to demean convenience store clerks, but to highlight the disparity.)
The reason why Tokyo isn't on this list is because on-street parking is illegal, with temporary exceptions for service vehicles
good context
On street parking is legal in Tokyo. There are parking bays and meters like any other country. Are you thinking of overnight street parking?
And you can't buy a car if you don't have place to park it.
Hoping this will come to my city.
It's not illegal but it's pretty rare. You definitely don't see it most places. This is true generally in Japan.
Working at a parking office for two years is what orange-pilled me even before NJB existed.
When I lived in the Boston suburbs and worked in the Financial District, I never drove in. 3 days of parking would be more expensive than my monthly transit pass ... not to mention the stress of driving in rush hour with BOSTON DRIVERS!
And parking in downtown Boston was comparatively cheap ... $30 a work day.
Driving in Boston is nightmarish
I used to work in the financial district too. Thank god I don't work in Boston anymore.
I'm curious what is it about Boston drivers that give them so much notoriety (or should I say motoriety)? When I went to BU I didn't have a car, and every time I revisit Boston I take the T or walk, just like back then. I do recall some seemingly fast drivers along Comm. Ave, but those were probably mostly impatient, risk-taking students. So are bad drivers citywide the result of too many students and clueless tourists, or a rush-rush work culture, an ingrained defensive driving mentality, or too many one-way roads? I imagine it's a combination of those.
@@DashingPartyCrasher Boston is a difficult city to drive in, as the layout was set before there were cars. Streets are narrow, crowded, and navigation is difficult. As a result, many drivers make sudden turns, speed up randomly, almost overshoot their turn. and so on.
Plus, there's an attitude that using turn signals is giving information to the enemy.
I would call it an ingrained *offensive* driving mentality.
I lived in the Boston suburbs for 15 years. Non-rush hour suburban driving was fine, but I refused to drive in Boston or Cambridge. And I had no need to ... the transit system is far from perfect, but I was able to get everywhere I needed to go.
Depends on where you live specifically and whether or not you're going in by yourself. Pre-pandemic, I have always preferred to drive in. Plenty of places nearby with monthly parking around $350-$400, pretty sweet deal if you ask me. Parking at MBTA station is $9 and ticket is about $2.25(assuming you're on monthly T pass). The extra to get away from all the people on the T, and potential MBTA hiccup, i would say money well spent. The monthly parking allows you to visit on the weekend conveniently, so there is additional saving from weekend activities.
I live in New York City but I’m still stunned by those NYC numbers. Parking garages have always been exorbitant here, but I didn’t know it had gotten that high for just two hours. Incredible.
It makes sense though. In Amsterdam 1m² costs €8000 and depending on use another €240 per m² (on average) per year in taxes. A standard parking space in Europe is 5x2.3m or about 11.5m². So that means €92,000 in upfront cost for the parking space + €2,760 per year in taxes. Assuming 10 years of operating that space costs the owner €32 a day to just own on its own. Take a 60% occupancy rate and they would have to charge at least €55 a day to break even. But it isn't just that, it needs parking meters or an actual garage and that easily goes into multiple times that a day + depreciation and maintenance. Anything on top of that is just pure profit. And supply and demand means a private owner will raise prices until it impacts their profits.
I am sure NYC has higher ground prices and taxes so $20 an hour starts looking pretty reasonable.
Car parking is just one more subsidy to cars that is in no way covered by road taxes that car owners forget about.
should be higher, especially during work hours
That's because parking here is a complete monopoly, supported by politicians.
Politicians want parking to be expensive to get back at cat owners and don't care that it just gucks over the middle class for the benefit of a few rich guys
Interesting to see the different strategies. My city currently plans to do a massive change in that too: Currently the just 600 onstreet parking spots are cheaper than any parking garage and always filled to the brim. On the other end, the parking garages combine for well over 3000 spots and have much more than those 600 spots free at any given time, even the saturdays before christmas.
So the city now wants to curb down on onstreet parking: making it more expensive than a parking garage, turn several spots into residential and loading only and completely remove problematic parking spots. On street parking will basically only stay, if it's already on the route to a parking garage and doesn't hinder the flow of traffic (meaning primarily bike traffic, which already makes the vast majority within the city center).
In my city in NZ, on street parking is free for 2 hours (to attract shoppers), but then after 2 hours is $8/hour (to prevent employees using them all, all day). Moving your car every 2 hours isn't a work around, the parked cars are tracked by council workers driving cars around tracking license plates.
We have a few of those free 2hr sections in WLG, but within the city centre is just standard parking fees when you arrive. Even so, it's real easy to just park on the 2hr parking on the sides and go about your day - no one ever checks haha. Haven't paid for parking in 8 years.
IMO, the most expensive parking space isn't determined by the price someone pays to park there. It's determined by the opportunity cost of what that ~150 square feet could generate if it was used for something productive, like an outdoor dining shed.
Even if it’s not turned into an active revenue space, there’s still a larger expense for that space to the consumers, businesses & city than is ever recovered by taxes, fees or fines. Turning it into a protected bike lane wouldn’t create a revenue source but it would increase the number of people who would spend more at the shops along these stretches than the cars & people in them do, as well as being more pleasant for pedestrians, regardless how they arrive to the area.
though its difficult to make use of the land how its spread now instead of what it could be used if the city were designed without it in the first place
this is actually how nyc has $340billion worth of FREE on street parking
not even including the metered or garage parking
If it didn’t generate that demand and that price to compete with other services, then that space would theoretically be better off being bought by something else that’d make higher returns.
@@ac1455 it’s okay to have space between the front of buildings that aren’t owned by the adjacent property owners so everyone can access the buildings. Otherwise it’d be an open mall.
Just because the new use doesn’t make revenue either doesn’t mean it’s a bad use of common space.
In Bucharest you can pay up to 30$ per hour. It’s cheaper to get your car detailed than to park :))))
Adevarat! 5 Lei pe ora inseamna 30 de dolari daca esti sarac!
Hey, might as well get a clean car with it.
I said "up to 30 usd an hour". not from. there are also free parking lots for hybrids and electrics, but the discussion was about the most expensive places. I invite you to the parking lot near Sanador Buzești, famous for its high prices. and as you can see, in this comments section, there are a lot of people that add to the story, with places in their country that are more expensive. add, not make fun of. disappointing. bye. @@alexandrunechifor
Well Romania needs to get this money because of corruption...
As a Romanian i just park on the curb side for free, no fee! 😂
we make the same joke in Taiwan
In The Hague, Netherlands, there is actually a flat 50 euro rate to park your car in certain places. That means that even if you park for 10 minutes, you still pay 50 euros. This would make it much more expensive than any cities discussed here!
Yes, parking in Scheveningen sounds like fun.
That's nothing. Yesterday I paid a flat $5 to park my car for 30 seconds. That comes out to a rate of $600 per hour!
That sounds awful
@@SlurMaster9000Where did you pay this at?
@@SlurMaster9000I would also like to know. You could reply to the other guy. I'll try to check back.
City Nerd spends a ton of time on how off-street parking and parking minimums have gutted cities. We have not so much built our cities around cars as having bulldozed our cities to provide parking. It’s a vicious cycle of cheap parking inducing car travel, sprawling our cities and making cycling and transit impractical and dangerous.
Having some parking space at semi affordable prices can be a huge advantage for a city.
The lack and expense of parking has often dissuaded me, my friends and my family from going to the city. I really mostly go to get wasted. And if I wasn't young and fit I wouldn't take trains and busses at all. Those are horrible if you're old or otherwise disabled.
Why can't you take the bus or train if you're older disabled? People in Europe and Asia seem to manage it all the time. @@MrCmon113
The issue with reducing parking is that you can't do that without improvements in public transportation without making it a worst of both worlds situation where parking is scarce and public transportation is inadequate. We already see that in much of NYC and SF where it seems like there simply isn't a good way to get around. For example, in Flushing, Queens there is no subway service except from the west meaning that anyone coming from any other direction has to travel by bus (or the LIRR, but that is primarily designed for commuting) or drive. The issue is that their is scarce parking and the buses are slow and unreliable, especially outside of peak hours.
There’s definitely a difference between charging for on-street parking based on supply and demand versus removing on-street parking. Over time, reducing parking demand & allowing those spaces to be reallocated to active uses (bicyclists, pedestrians, delivery & pickup/drop off) should be an objective. By having a transition plan, many of the growing pains can be minimized.
During that time, we should also consider how we offer goods & services to our neighborhoods. No easy answers but our current systems are broken for all but the behemoth corporations.
@@ttopero: I feel like charging based on supply and demand and removing on street parking both have serious issues that punish poor people unless they improve public transportation as well.
Poor people often live in spaces most impacted by traffic noise and pollution. They also often don't own a car as they are expensive. While I'm all for alternatives to cars and believe we should fight poverty harder, I doubt there is much harm to social justice by these measures.
@@Jacksparrow4986: Many of them do have cars and would have to chose between taking that car and struggling to find parking or taking a bus and have it take 4x as long. I would know because that used to be me.
That's not technically true even if you assume that everyone will drive. There are strategies that individuals can employ to reduce their parking usage. People can carpool with friends as opposed to having each individual bringing their own car. People can also be encouraged to finish their business more quickly, reducing the amount of time that they consume a parking spot. And except in the most sprawling suburbs, walking is an option for at least some fraction of visitors.
Toronto is facing a massive budget shortfall, so city council decided to remove the cap on on-street parking prices, allowing the board of city agency Green P (the Toronto Parking Authority) to charge whatever they want. Hopefully with our progressive mayor and more progressive council, we will see these prices climb well above the $4-5 CAD/hr we have
As it should. Anything less and they are probably making a loss.
It's mind blowing that so many people not only deal with terrible traffic but also exorbitant costs to drive in the city with the best transit in the US.
The better your city's public transit is, the more acceptable it is to charge high parking fees.
Got to love the reference to 'crusing' for a parking spaces. In the 80's and 90's in Chicago, this was a sport to find free parking, especially near Wrigley Field or downtown around Lower Wacker Drive.
San Francisco has continued with demand based pricing, and there's a single parking spot that pulled in $17,000 last year.
That's only $46 per day, not impressive, Amsterdam is doing $70.000 per spot!
You should hold a debate against John Phillips of 790 KABC! He's the ultimate car-addicted suburbanite NIMBY, and is completely obsessed with parking.
Crazy prices. In city center of Munich Germany, I pay 2$ per hour or 11$ for the whole day on street and 3-5$ per hour in a parking garage. Paying prices like 55$ per hour in NYC sounds insane.
How expensive are the fines for on street parking without a ticket? In Munich I have to pay 20$ for parking without a ticket on street. Since I the chances of getting caught are not that high, I often don't buy a ticket and on average it is cheaper to park without a ticket than buying one everytime.
6:38 🦤
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed it. I wonder what it means haha
In Chicago, parking cost isn’t the real issue🤏 The insane fine for snow level, street cleaning, police activities are more problematic as the warning signs sometime pop up suddenly 🤷♀️
Apparently in Santa Monica, California, they have cameras at each on-street parking meters, and when there's time still in the meters and the car is gone, it resets back to 0, so other people can't use left over time. While Santa Monica I making high profits.
In Seattle it costs $37 to park for 2 hours I found that out the hard way
Wow! All this sounds so dystopian to someone who doesn’t drive. 😅
I don’t really want to know how much parking demand changes if I want to get downtown and drink coffee. I don’t even want to drive there
Great data rich video and a great follow up to your previous parking study video. Love it! ❤
My city just increased parking prices by more than 10x in the centre overnight. From around 30 usd a year to around 45 usd a month. It has been a month, and the amount of cars hasn't decreased... I hope it was just a gradual step and not actually the solution
$1.5/day is still very cheap in absolute terms
I would like to see cities shift from parking minimums, to parking maximums (in terms of parking spaces, not fees). So much valuable land is used for a single person to park their metal box on for several hours at a time.
In Sweden you commonly pay with an app on your phone. That makes it possible for shops to have parking lots where you can leave the car for a limited time but starts paying after that runs out. That prioritises the customers as people who would use the place as any public parking most times looks for other, cheaper parking lots. A quick rotation of cars reduces the necessity of huge parking areas.
story about a parking spot in sydney, near Bondi Beach. Guy offered him 1million and the guy flat out said no.
I definitely agree with Sydney. I parked one morning for about four hours in the CBD and I paid almost $100!
I used to pay $640 for parking in my old condo in NYC. I could’ve gotten a 2nd nice car with that! Recently moved so now parking is free lol
'free'
@@BoBandits well I guess covered in the taxes I was already paying to start with
@@MrLegendra Don't forget increase cost in goods and services due to businesses having to cover the cost of providing the parking.
Also, huge increase costs in housing and rents due to parking minimums making productive development patterns non-viable and implicitly favoring SFH.
Hoping that was $640 a year :D
@@irfan9164 a month unfortunately 😅 it’s about $20/day so not the absolute worst
Consider hotel rooms, its quite reasonable to assume that NYC hotel rooms will be more expensive than those in Phoenix all else being equal. You pay a premium for location. Parking is the same, its storage which is a consumable resource.
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I did appreciate the animation, actually. Thank you for the effort that you put into this.
Thank you also for showing that parking costs can be used as a congestion tax. I never thought of it that way. It is a much more efficient way of taxing people to decongest, and it helps the right people.
it seems intuitive that parking meters would be hard coded to lower their price for every 5 minutes it's not being used for example and after it is used, the price is reset to some base amount
It seems to me like it would make the most sense to charge more for on-street parking. Pay extra for the convenience. And I think generally, parking should be far reduced in number to use that space for better things.
I did a road trip with my dad last year in the US. We are not American or familiar with driving in the US. Anyway, he insisted driving / staying in Downtowns (ironically walkability), instead of getting a suburban hotel by local transit and commuting in. It was a nightmare, not only was it expensive but it was also confusing as some of the places required booking and the entry ways into the parking garages were often very tight to get into. We ended up driving around Philadelphia on same one way road loop for like 45 mins just trying to get into the entrance 😭 Never again. (I would’ve preferred trains but Murica u know)
Do a video on how you would redevelop land that was used for a now-demolished (or soon-to-be demolished) sports venue (i.e. Oakland Coliseum).
Such a beautiful man! Thanks for the great video qt.
Dutch cities have been removing parking spaces for cycling space for many years now. Especially Amsterdam, but Utrecht is also pretty good at it! Both Utrecht and Amsterdam just don't have that many off street parking spots. Or they can be purchased by residents. It is interesting though that parking in a car dependant country in a big (relatively of course, Dutch cities are quite small compared to NY or Chicago) city is just as expensive as it is in a country trying to drastically reduce cars and car traffic.. The dynamic rates do make sense though. You would expect to see them more often, wouldn't you...
I suspect that if Westminster or the City of London were separated from London, which they legally are, they would snag the top spots…
That average NYC street parking cost is very misleading. Nearly all street parking in NYC is free, which is a real problem.
7:53 Downtown Hood River, Oregon Oak St/ 1st St
SLO usps parking lot 👀
I would’ve expected Chicago at #1 due to the foreign bank incident
The fact that we're basically forced to use cars to get anywhere and then have to pay to park those cars is ridiculous
5:00 I think what you meant to say was that the car owning majority can choose to subsidize parking at below market rates.
In greece street parking is free
I that why congestion in Athens is so bad?
Car ownership isn’t really « having access to a car ». You can chose to not have one or even choose to reside in a place where it’s too complicated/expensive to have one.
I'm so glad in my city it's only like $1 an hour
I'm pretty sure there is a few car parks in sydney and brisbane that are more expensive per hour than this
So parking spots can make more an hour that some people make working. Madness
I parked in a parking meter space and a constable walked up to me, and wondered what I was doing. I told him the parking meter was full, because I could not put a dollar coin in it. He said he will issue a parking ticket if I don't move on. At least the coppa knew the problem. I took up his option and drove away.
"Business owners are often advocating for free parking" -- this is a bad generalization.
If your city is dense enough for "foot traffic," no business owner will fight for free parking if they can get a bigger piece of pie in foot traffic.
Cities should charge market-rate for parking. Developers and property owners shouldn't be required to pay for parking. Curb cuts should incur a monthly cost on to the property owner based on the useful public space inhibited by providing access.
I wish all parking was this expensive
Porto Fino in Italy is nearly 30 euro an hour.
Can confirm Brisbane being on the list. I parked in the Myer centre car park on a whim ~5 years ago aaand got wrecked for AUD$40 for about an hour. Probably could have got it cheaper if I’d booked online, but this was just an on the spot decision with a friend.
So the most car focused countries are pricier? Bizarre.
IN SAO PAULO BRAZIL THEY HAD BUT THESE PARKING METER BOXES WERE REMOVED REASON FOR EXTORTION OF A LOT OF THIEF BEHIND ALL OF THIS
Proud Korean here. #10 Seoul for street parking is actully the winner because Korea's got the weakest currency. That's why I don't live there anymore.
The optimal price for parking is to not allow vehicles
Safest place in the city: pedestrianized zones
I agree although I do think there needs to be disabled parking.
@@Snowshowslow fine.. but we really should make specialized little electric vehicles so they can park easier, take up less space, and be able to just roll in their wheelchair (I've seen a few, they are actually pretty cool rolling in from the hatchback design)
@@matthewboyd8689 Yes :)
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You shouldn't make anything.
I don't understand how you get this monstrous arrogance to think that you should decide what everyone else is doing.
@@MrCmon113 oh, you mean like car makers get to decide to make 5000 pound trucks
People can decide to buy what they want but if nobody makes useful things then the useful things don't exist
And THESE EXIST!
Europe is so far ahead of America
Next to the London Stock Exchange data centre, on-street, in the City of London (can't tell you the address), was GBP 16 an hour when I last checked a server there in 2018.
That parking meter gets paid more than most people an hour
great video and I'm sure when this system is implemented with charging drivers it also dictates the numbers of vehicles in the streets.
When is your next livestream?
Edinburgh Scotland never gets mentioned in stories about parking, but from my frequent visits there, it is the most aggressive city I've encountered when it comes to parking enforcement. On one visit, while my wife needed to return some items at a store on Princess Street, I parked in nearby 20-minute spaces and kept a close eye on the several parking checkers working this central area. I moved the car from space to space 4 times while waiting for her. Edinburgh's parking tickets are pricey. There are many off street parking garages, but these tend to be filled with central area employees. The light rail from the airport to Princess Street is the best way to visit central Edinburgh. There is a large free park and ride lot at the airport and the tram has multiple stops in the central area.
Wait, you moved your car 4 times? Great for your car and the environment and the people who actually need to run in and out.
It's very hit-and miss. Leith Walk has become notorious for vehicles parking on the pavement (and thus damaging it). Pavement/sidewalk parking has just become illegal in the city as of this month so we will see if that changes anything.
Driving in the historic centre of the city is so bad that most people just get the bus. Our council owned/run bus network is one of the best in the UK.
@@BoBandits Darn right I did. I've paid Edinburgh parking tickets and, if it weren't for the tram being there now, I would do the move the car thing again.
Princes street is honestly a nightmare for cars, yet there are few ways to avoid it, especially if you want to go somewhere closeby. Pretty infuriating
@@dirty_mac Cars are banned from Princes Street.
The most expensive parking space to buy is Hong Kong.
A parking bay in the tiny neighbourhood of Mount Nicholson on The Peak fetched over HK$10 million (US$1.3 million). It’s just a space with white lines around it. Big enough to park a normal car. Nothing special.
If you live in a car-centered small town outside NYC, what are your options for getting to Manhattan other than driving there? Are there some kind of park-and-ride stations in the Subway network?
(Genuinely curious, not trying to advocate for free parking. I lived some time in the US but on the West Coast, don't really know the NYC area well.)
Pretty sure his answer is "enter the housing lottery or go work on a collective farm."
Yes, there are tons of park ride stations on our commuter rail systems which are heavily used. Almost everyone on the PATH train drove and parked at one of its stations, same.wirh NJT, LIRR, METRO NORTH, ETC.
Depending on location, your options are Long Island Railroad, New Jersey Transit, or Metro North Railroad.
Zurich airport would like to have a word. First five minutes on their departure level are free, but if you are slow, CHF 1 per minute from the start !
That seems like a great policy as long as they have some accommodations for the disabled / elderly.
@@Snowshowslow Nope. You can go into the regular parking garage, which does have handicap spots and accessible elevators.
@@goblinsgym Ah that works too :)
7:20 so you're tellin me, that planning a sector of the economy (parking) actually results in net benefits?
For the Australian cities did you convert the Australian dollar to the US dollar?
It appears everything is in U.S. dollars.
*dollerydoos
6:04 Planners call it....cruising? .....is that the uh- best word word for it? Considering what it's typically used for?
68% of LA needs to take a cold shower
I pay $650 a month to park my car in Manhattan. Yes, it's worth it to me.
And I thought the most expensive parking was at Disneyland 😢
Just another reason to try and make a living away from cities if possible. Cost of living is just so ridiculous.
⚠️why cars in ur animation don’t stop or even slow down at intersections ❓😒
the ideal solution would be to remove on-street parking over time and enforce off-street parking. THis will free up public space that is just wasted and blocked by cars. increasing the on-street parking prices like European cities do, is a way in that direction. Which is also reflected in mandatory off-street parking for new developments in most cities. Cars on the streets simply are ok if they are in use, but not when not in use.
i know a parking in athens/greece where you pay 25€ per hour.
Edit:average monthly sallary?about 600-800€. 😛
In Greece, cars are destroying the antiquities, so I'm surprised that they allow them at all
what antiquities are exactly destroyed?are you making fun🤣of me.@@mariaansley1519
well in turkey and albania and rumania ,the donkeys(Balkan Jeep) shit on antiquities but they still allow them.i guess you have a strange humor.@@mariaansley1519
It's more convenient than hauling cash to the landfill
The most expensive parking in the world is street parking in my city in cities skyline 2 lmao
Making Parking expensive should not be a solution to car centric bs in North American cities, I go to LAFC games and the parking is just as much as the tickets, and it's only going up. For reference, the parking in the official lot is 60+, we park for 50 in a lot almost a mile away, you can't park for less than 40 anywhere
❌u missed one essential side❌
Parking fees r not the only issue, parking violations are🤏 Chicago, for example, charge u a lot for all kinds of parking violations even if u paid ur parking fees. Level of snow or street cleaning complicated signs can pop up at any time & no matter how legal ur parking is u have to pay high fine if u didn’t move ur car during the prohibited time🤷♀️
I think bioswales (4:17) account for about 0.001 percent of potential on-street parking in the world. I'm probably being generous.
Yes, but it is an example of something you could do instead of having on street parking. I'd grant you most of the other options would be considered first.
@@AlRoderick Plus, they are a heck of a lot cheaper than stormwater infrastructure.
After reading Shoup’s parking tome, I’m convinced that NYC would have been better off to have a dynamic parking system in place than to charge a congestion fee for lower Manhattan. I love it if that were a video in & of itself; it’d probably be worth the cost of a Nebula subscription!
Considering the book itself is like 700 pages (and more than a bit meandering), have a video deep-dive explainer would be much appreciated.
The on street parking prices would probably go north of 50/hr during all but the darkest of nights. Add in the fact some employers would subsidize the cost and you could easily see the on paper cost climb to 80/hr
They should do both! Entering and parking both cause harm to the region, they should pay for all of it.
@@Carsonist I’d like to see how charging for parking affects congestion before adding more regulations on a heavily regulated city. The parking structures can still charge what they want & would probably support dynamic pricing for on-street parking since it could mean more money to them.
Use the forces that people say they want to create the environment they want & then show them their hypocrisy when they complain about it! Americans always want everything free for them & expensive to everyone else-& other variations of all for me & none for you.
@@Demopans5990 it could in the most in demand places, but people are probably already paying more than they realize for the full cost of getting to their destination. At least if they were able to find a parking spot for $50-$80/hr without driving around for half an hour or longer, they’d be happier finding the spot than complaining about the cost. Especially if a full car, upscale destination & already planning to spend hundred$ or thousand$! The rest of us will benefit from safer streets, less congestion, cleaner air, easier to get to our destination & dropped off at the front door, etc. it’s better for everyone!
Wait but you didn’t tell us where the most expensive single spot in the world is!?
which are the other cities outside the US where car ownership is lower than 22% in manhattan?
no HK there surprising
Woah are the prices taht expensive in NYC? I live in the metro area and when I (stupidly, I know) DRIVE into NYC I pay like $20 or less for a few hours of parking in manhattan….. not too wild if I have passengers to justify!
nearly 100 quarters i think your thumbnail is fake maybe even CG generated because the coin cup cant hold that many quarters also the old style parking meters i doubt can even be set to charge that much.
i have scrapped out an old soda vending machine and even those have a limit of $5 and that used modern coin mechs.
So the on-street parking is so expensive in NYC because there is so many cars (too much demand)? That's an excuse. I live in the second most densely populated place in the USA (Union City, NJ), with a lot of cars and very hard to find a parking spot and I only need quarters to feed the parking meters. And guess what. I always find a parking space during the day, it's hard, but you will always find one. NYC is just stealing people's money.
I just know that Austrians and Australians are both suffering through the mistakes in this video
7:56 those damned employees, trying to park near their jobs!! Maybe if owners provided employee parking near the building, like how they always seem to have, that would eliminate that particular problem. But in many of those jobs, employees are just commodities, not worth that level of investment. And the boss in many of those joints will fight the tax increases needed to provide functional mass transit. At least here in the United States. Some because they legitimately can't afford it, more because they just don't want to give up the money to help others.
The title is misleading.
I don't understand why cities where everyone drives cars don't just build a giant skyscraper parking location in the center where everyone parks then there's mini busses that take people to where they want to go.
How would u go up that thing and it costs a lot more the highter u built
I hate on-street parking in cities. Having to ‘cruise’ to find a spot is the most stressful part of city driving.
The solution is to leave your car at a park-and-ride and catch public transport into the city.
im in the wrong business.
Hey
The future could be autonomous self driving cars that provide door-to-door service without needing to park in areas youre going to. Then the roads are clogged up with empty private cars circulating around.