The Gospel of Luke [The Alternative Facts gospel]
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Is every verse of every gospel really historically true? Do the different gospel accounts contradict each other, or do they harmonize with one another? Why are there differences? The differences we can read weren’t put there… deliberately,… were they?
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Music produced by me on iPad app Launchpad.
Art created by me on iPad app SketchClub.
Most of my research for this came from four main sources. They are:
Ehrman, Bart. (2005) Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why. (Harper One)
Ehrman, Bart. (2005) Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew (Oxford University Press)
Martin, Dale. (2012) New Testament History and Literature. (Yale University Press)
Tabor, James. (2012) Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity (Simon and Schuster)
It’s been several years in the writing, but with months and months going past between edits. I gave it a push last summer and again over Christmas. I discovered that I could go on forever adding and polishing, but I bit the bullet and ran with what you see here. I wish I was smart enough to insert, coherently, more of the incredible scholarly information that inspired this idea.
The characters here are a conglomerate representative of the authors of mainly Mark and Luke, but also to some extent Matthew. In the early stages of writing I was veering much more towards including more Matthew’s additions and edits, but only a few are still in there. I didn’t really look at John’s gospel for this.
This is a video made for RUclips in my non-abundant free time, not a doctoral dissertation. It is a work of informed satire, based on extensive reading, but nit-pickers will find nits throughout it to pick, so I want to address one of them from the outset. I am confident that the actual salient points and questions that the video raises are rock solid. One must distinguish between what is included for the sake of fashioning a coherent plot/script, including hyperbole, and the scholarly historical information the satire is founded upon. If you dispute the scholarship, take it up with the scholars, and if you can convince them, please do then bring it to me.
For example - to pre-empt the what I predict is the most obvious surface-level objection: I know who the author of Luke is purported to be, generally, and the purpose for his writing his gospel given at its beginning (and in the beginning of Acts). I’m not attempting to assert a fact claim along the lines of that the author of Luke was simply a random rogue copyist of Mark. That’s just a plot device, like satirists often use. I don’t for a second think that the gospel of Luke arose out of a copyist’s desire to simply alter bits and pieces of the text of Mark. What I’m attempting to portray, satirically, is the dissonance between what historians can tell us about the way the gospels were authored, copied, miscopied, and deliberately changed by individuals that we of course can’t know or identify, and the view held by many modern Christians: that each and every verse of each and every gospel is actual historical truth. Far from it: we can identify the agenda and motivations behind obviously deliberate changes that have for thousands of years been passed off as unquestionably true.
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"I think you're overestimating how critically people are going to look at these documents"
Well said.
TyphoonZebra my favorite part of all!😂
Ha I just posted this same thing then saw your post. Classic line
Or how far people will be willing to mentally contort all their thoughts to try to rationalize the discrepancies.
I was going to write about that, at 10:38. I can tell the author was having some fun.
Ja! I was like 666, how appropriate
"I think you're overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents." I CACKLED
They didn't really count on people learning to read!
😅
Same 😅
„they'll be completely accurate and correct at the same time“ 🤣🤣
Never underestimate an atheist who has read the Bible
I just submitted the Spanish subtitles. Everybody makes a few translation errors, hopefully mine won't be the kind that change the meaning of anything. :)
Fantastic! Thanks so much. I understand what a massive job that is.
I don't see them in the options
Hold on, hold on. I think we have a real opportunity here to expand the target audience of this video if we tone down the anti-religious subtext.
En donde lo busco , Javier ?
@@NonStampCollector Hi NSC, do you mind approving the subtitles?
Was a christian and attended Sunday school regularly for 50+ years. I learned more about the gospels in this 15 minute video than I did in all that time.
my heart is breaks to hear testimonies like this. 50 years. Is that what you get from Jesus story even at face value? Simply a mockery? God help us. What hurt you so much, at the world mocks the gospels? thank God for the gospels, LIGHT has emerged from this, even against all the odds. Love wins! Can't you see! Please reread from a sinner's heart. 50 years are not wasted, I promise you. Love wins is the story! Be Well.
You may be too far gone but don't drag everyone else with you, accusing us of being sinners to unsettle us. People who come to this vid are driven by doubt, they search for knowledge because
they don't want to say they believe the Bible without good reason. When so many things in it unarguably don't make sense logically and factually, having been constantly revised and changed time after time throughout history, people have the right to know the resulting contradictions and decide for themselves if they want to believe this text as the word of God or not. Let's not judge or attack anyone. Enlightenment is achieved through facts, not poetry.
@@konodioda239 bro I am defending my Bible and my faith that's al, I want something solid also. Build your house on solid ground. Science without God is a tragedy. Theory of Evolution is also religion and requires faith. Please believe me. Bible won't hurt you, but sustain you even if attackers say otherwise. Micro evolution is fine, learn it, if you don't know everything, Jesus has got you. He knows all is all. There is no shame in having humility to say that. Logic and Faith co-exist fine. Be Blessed!
@@mtersch Thank Dog, you are here. Otherwise, one might think the Blessed and Holy NSC has nobody to help. If you have a big enough bible and a good pitching arm, you could hurt someone. If it was made of rice paper, it might sustain you. Thanks for your interest and contribution with humour.
@@VaughanMcCue it's WORDS man, not papyrus. WORD. THOUGHTS. THAT GIVE LIFE. NOT PAPER Dawg, mock all you want, you do not value words, for all you see is a piece of paper. But you go forth and try to re-create it... wiht more words.. more words.. and do your indiscernibly toxic nihilism to the world. But that said, be well, and yes, humour the senselessness a system to devlauation of WORDS AND LIFE... guess who spoke first? God spoke first! Yes dawg, it's true. And He and is people may just have the last WORD. man. Be Well. JESUS STILL LOVES YOU DAWG.
"He even gets angry at vegetation!"
"Well who doesn't every now and then"
I love just how matter of fact those two lines were uttered.
Where was that, I missed it
Bloody figs! Did God really mean "Fags?"
I love that bit.
GOD
HATES
FIGS
I’ve been angry at vegetation.
"I think you're overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents." For some reason, this was the line that made me laugh the most.
I thought I'd see it here as soon as I heard it - I didn't expect it to be at the top of the comments 😂
I have not laughed that hard for a long time. Glad to see quality comedy still surviving.
Came to comment the same, so damn good!
Same, it’s a well-delivered joke that rings true no matter which side of the fence you stand on.
10:34
"I think you're overestimating how critically people are gonna read those documents"
Hilarious!!!
my favourite line from the video :D
dude i'm a 15 year old living in a family full of christians. you don't know how much this cures my anxiety. this is literally my bible, along with r/exchristian
Marsel Music hang in there. We’re all with you :)
Hey man, as a 15 year old in a family of christians. Thats kinda cringe
same omg
Marsel Music
I’m a Christian myself I pray you return to the flock.
I challenge you all to a debate
Unlike jesus, The Non Stamp Collector has returned
@@kezdodik1 Wow you're really spamming that shit.
@@kezdodik1
Yeah, there's like a million people who believe in the Talmud, so it must be the biggest problem, unlike the Quran and the Bible, which only have several billion adherents. Totally makes sense dude, glad you cleared that up.
@@kezdodik1 What's more mainstream than Christians in the USA?... come on man...
Im pretty sure flat earthers are the mainstream now. Though that stems from Christian teaching, and mass paranoia against institutions.
@@chaosryans
Nah. I'd lay down serious cheddar to bet that well over 90% of flat earthers are trolls, bots, or trollbots. Yes a few of them exist IRL but not as many as it appears from the average RUclips comment section.
He's back everyone! Thank God!
Isn't that ironic...?
@@madselias6939 It's like raiiiiiiiieeeeeaaaaaaiiinn...
@@madselias6939 yes
Praise the Lard!
@Eli Santana
You'd be better off thanking your own dog.
“Scholars will still be thinking about that little chestnut thousands of years from now” is such a great and fitting line to describe a lot of the scholarly research surrounding the biblical texts. Almost every verse or passage in the Bible is prone to different variant translations/versions, different interpretations, and vague details that it’s really impossible to know what the “original texts” said or intended to say. A lot of it’s lost to us now and we really can’t do anything about it. It’s crazy to look beyond the surface level of the modern copies.
In any case awesome work! Hope you make more of these types of vids ;)
Hey its you, the guy who makes videos about bible story. I've watched both of them, good videos.
Actually it's not. There is this field of research call "textual criticism", and in it they deal with many ancient manuscripts. Specifically for the New Testament there are dozens of manuscripts and papyri within 100 years of the death of Christ, let alone from the time that they were written, not even mentioning quotations of the scriptures in the writing of church fathers, many of those being from the early 2nd century
If you want to study this more in depth, might I recommend getting the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft copy of the Greek New Testament, and make sure that it is the one with the apparatus and not the reader. In it there is every variation of the text on the bottom. If you wish to truly utilize this, it might help to take some rudimentary Koine Greek
As an example of a textual variant, Romans 7:14 οιδαμεν in most versions has an accent above the yota while a few do not. Certainly this doesn't constitute a "vague translation "
Ur a sexy guy I gotta say
"He even get angry at vegetation!"
"WELL, WHO DOESN'T EVERY NOW AND THEN!"
That's a vibe XD
"I think you're overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents" I LOVE THIS
If you thought Luke was bad, wait until he gets started on John!
Why?
@@davidhatcher7016 it's even more outlandish and contradictory to Mark.
@@DigitalDiscDreamer
how so?
I did not change it, I did not...
HI MARK!
@@davidhatcher7016 You haven't read it?
I remember 10 years ago, I was suffering from crippling depression due to my homosexuality and religious conflict.
Then while I was just 16, I saw your cartoons here on youtube, and I slowly began to question my faith, and learned to accept and love myself, and ever since then, it truly has been a very englightening 10 years for me. Sadly my family is very traditional baptist. So it is really quite lonesome as 8 haven't come out being gay and an athiest.
Thank you for your videos, without them, I would already have killed myself from all that self hate.
I'm sure there were many straws, and perhaps my cartoons were amongst the last of those that finally broke the camel's back. Still I'm very very glad to read that and wish I could hear more of your story.
@@NonStampCollector are you done making videos? Was the non come back literally non?
thegoodlisteners listenwell no he was replying to comments yesterday on his other vid he will return soon. He’s just busy because I think now he has a full time job along w 3 kids.
@@ix-jy1vo here's hoping. We need more logic in the world.
As an ex-Baptist, I can relate. There’s a lot of unspoken pressure. I hope you find the confidence to live your life fully on your own terms. ✌️
I remember when i used to hate these vids and actually called them blasphemous because of what i was taught. Fast forward to present day and im damn near creaming my jeans at the thought of your return. You've helped a lot of people. Never doubt yourself, you've got an army behind you
Cheetah lee yup, helped me for sure.
C. Q q can. H
Get them jeans cleaned 😂
im very happy for you but i never want to read the sentence "creaming my jeans" ever again in my life
@Timothy Henricson why do you feel the need to lie like that? Isn't there a rule against lying in your religion? You weren't an atheist, because an atheist doesn't believe gods exist. You thought your experience was an encounter with God instead of a hallucination, despite the latter being far more logical, which means you already believed a god existed before you had your little episode.
i used to watch your videos as a christian and now i am watching it as an atheist what a world we live in. keep the great work up man you changing people's lives
One peace is overrated it starts getting boring after 2,3 hundred episodes......
So many people commenting how these videos changed their views on god(s) and religion! And I was already so happy to see a new video from this living legend. It just gets better and better :)
Kaizoku in your change of view, why did you not stop at a positon of liberal personally free religiousness, believing only what makes sense to you not a package, and a-omni-theusm, that God is not all-powerful or magic?
It always concerns me, that when fundamentalists and atheists convert, they usually convert into each other. They don't convert to the middle ground, they miss it out as an option, like only the 2 extremes are the options.
Kaizoku Me too. I mean, I was well on my way, but these videos really helped push me over the edge. Funny as shit, but so true and logical.
Excellent! :-)
Nurse: Sir you’ve been in a coma for 3 years
Man: Oh boy I can’t wait to visit my favourite RUclips Channel!
Nurse: Funny you should mention that...
Sounds like a miracle. Checkmate, atheists.
The nurse knows what his favorite youtuber is? This story is full of holes. Put it in the bin with the other literature full of plot holes.
*comment falls on top of a bible*
@@Kiflaam Nah, the bible is so full of plot holes the comment would fall into the bible.
Why I'm discovering this channel only.... now?
Checks the tomb of dead RUclipsrs, "it's empty!" Runs away and tells nobody.
We shouldn't start a religion about this!
Checks the tomb of dead RUclipsrs, "it's empty!"
Runs away and tells subscribers
@@asagoldsmith3328 should*
Checks the tomb of dead RUclipsrs, an angel comes to roll the stone away, "it's empty!"
Runs away and tells subscribers, one of whom decides to poke the thumbs down button to see it if is real.
I literally watched Raiders last night at 2am. What are the odds !?
Luke: I'm going to change the Gospel a bit to appeal to a larger audience.
John: Hold my beer.
Him: "thats changing history"
Other Him: " no its just deliberately writting people out of his"
Me: I am pretty sure that literally change history itself
@Dan Weaver there are zombies in Mathew? Lol
@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 The people coming out of their graves and visiting people in town. The zombie apocalypse!
@@LM-jz9vh damn, guess they distorted the texts a lot they even created history 😂
@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 😂😂
Oh man I missed you, you have helped me so much abandoning my faith.
Your logic and humour were the things I needed in my journey riddled by doubts.
I hope you're doing really good and so is your family. Cheers for your 3rd child! Love from France.
Jayknight Just read the Bible, and Don’t only listen to the selected passages they preach at church. The stories are just terrible. For ex: Moses comes down from the mountain to find his followers worshiping a golden calf. So god had all 3000 of them murdered on the spot. Jepethe (probably misspelled) sacrifices his daughter to god. God murdered Job’s family for no reason. Killed all the first born of Egypt. Because the pharaoh was exercising free will. God is crazy. He even had bears attack a group of young men simply for teasing a bald man. I think it’s horrible, and I would never worship him. Even if it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt he was real. Not to mention the pure ridiculousness of the stories. Methuselah lived to 969 years old. I find that very hard to believe and have never seen any evidence of any humans living even past the age of 125, and that story is the tip of the iceberg. Jonah lived inside a giant fish for days before being spit up onto the beach and walking away unharmed. 🤦♂️
@@jessicamcbrearty5862oh yeahh ive heard that bear part, that was so funny
You're just contradicting me.
No I'm not!
Yes you are.
Ah, the statement that is always true no matter what you say to it.
Look, this isn't an argument!
@@ninjabluefyre3815 Yes it is.
Yes, I'd like to have an argument.
No you wouldn't.
🎉😅😮
This is exactly how I envision the gospels being written. It was religion by committee. The resurrection was immensely popular...like a "star wars" of its day. They felt the need to write more miracles and to Romanize it.
Same! I think it's even more beautiful than the idea that God sent his only son blah blah blah. That these humans could write and disseminate these stories and have such a revolutionary impact on the world (for both good and bad) is far more inspiring to me. Kurt Vonnegut would be proud!
@@powerdump3000 Exactly. I am most fascinated by the book of Mark. When you read as religious fiction imbued with metaphors for the events of the day, suddenly the Gospel stands out as something interesting and unique. I turned around and began to re-examine with the idea that these were another set of Jewish authors trying to style a wise Messiah that appealed to a first century crowd while delivering a political message. Jesus was a metaphor for Israel and since Mark was written after the crushing Roman defeat of Judea, (crucifixion), the Jewish nation would survive and rise again from the death. The Sanhedrin rejected the story and never incorporated it, but it was very popular amongst the Hellenized jews and the Greeks. All of the Gospel writers were Greek speakers. The first Gospels were written in Greek, not in Aramaic or Hebrew.
@@CHAS1422 cool, thanks for sharing. How do you know all this? What are some good resources?
No proof though. Even with this video there is no actual proof that Luke copied Mark's Gospel. Both Luke and Mark never witnessed Jesus so their stories are what they heard and not what they actually witnessed but that doesn't mean that Luke copied Mark and made changes.
I still remember when my Hindu grandfather told me about how he was taught the Gospel of Luke at school in colonial Malaya. After watching this video, I think I know why his British schoolmasters chose the Gospel in which a Roman Imperial official tries to save Jesus from the savagery of Judea’s native religious leaders (:
EXCELLENT!!! I've been looking forward to this forever, and it was better than expected! This could be the beginning of an entire "Early Christianity" cinematic universe. :D
Prophet of Zod Early christianity is superior to modern megachurch bullshit christianity in every way
The chipmunk within.
Its also dishonest.
@@matthewfrazier9254 no way, megachurches have PILES of the best audio gear in the world, so hopefully when their pastor goes to jail, I can buy it all cheap
NSC and POZ collaboration? Please Zombie Jesus make this happen.
Given that your channel was one of the absolute most instrumental in my deconversion years ago, it's absolutely fantastic to see you releasing new videos. Thank you!!
The term deconversion is almost as non-sensical as the term reverse racism.
@@aaronheaton2606 In what way? I'd argue that you can't convert to a lack of religion, but you can reverse the conversion process. Linguistically, the reverse should be called deconversion.
@@aaronheaton2606 Dunno man, makes perfect sense to me.
@@champagnelewis7049 After some thought, I agree. I guess i was so caught up in the notion that when you decide to be an atheist, you are converting to atheism that I didnt think about the fact that, while you did convert atheism, you also technically deconverted from whatever faith you had before. I guess i just got a little tripped up because people dont usually use words like deconversion. I think thats because deconversion cannot occur without conversion and people usually refer to what they have been converted to and not what they deconverted from. Im just not used to people talking that way. Seems more normal to say "i converted to atheism". I just hope OP realizes that a conversation did take place when they became an atheist.
@@aaronheaton2606 I thought you were coming from different angle before. Mainly, because you have to start with the premise we are all born atheists, but then converted to whatever dominant religion of closest geographical proximity. However, that's actually a quite reasonable premise, even though there might be a case made for religious inclination being a result of the way evolution shaped our biological nature: Seeking Agency everywhere may generate false positives, but they are less deadly than false negatives. If primitive instincts are responsible for our tendency to presume agency, then Atheism might not be what we're instinctively endowed with, but only what we have to -overcome- get to through logic and reasoning once we're old enough. In that case, Deconversion would actually make less sense. However, I like the term, nevertheless.
Your videos helped me get rid of the last few shackles Christianity had on me, glad to see you're back!
Zoë van Wyk
If you lose faith because of this you were never a true Christian to begin with. May the light of the world return to you one day, and if not let Christ know that you had time and opportunity to accept him and that you did not.
If videos like this helped you finally get rid of the "shackles" of Christianity, you probably didn't research Christianity very well in the first place. Only those who desperately WANT to reject Christianity would uncritically accept some of NonStampCollector's videos.
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This just popped up in my feed but your right OP was never a Christian to begin with and was just itchy for a reason to get out of it. He shall this video and was like “okay I can tell myself this video did it” and stop being a Christin. As Jesus says “you did not choose me but I chose you.”
@@RedVelvetBlackleather While I don't know for sure what's in his heart, I agree, this video is hardly convincing to anyone actually interested in looking at the evidence. However, I don't think that means he can't turn to Christ still.
@@RedVelvetBlackleather my first time seeing a no true scottsman fallacy in the wild
NSC does something here many atheist RUclipsrs can't manage: this is a video ridiculing the bible that never attacks Christianity itself once. NSC has made itnclear how he feels about Christianity, but this is a video about the accuracy of the bible, not its contents, and he stays on that subject. It's a lot easier to win people over with logic by starting small and moving slowly, and by not attacking or dismissing their core beliefs without sufficient legwork. Big props on a great video, pointing out historical facts and absurdities without attacking anyone personally.
I feel NSC prolly has read the Bible more than actual Christians. I mean, I've been, well I don't think it's Aethist I am, I don't believe in god, but I don't also not believe in god. But watching his videos has had me looking at things that I was taught with a different perspective. So many thing's I never noticed before and just how illogical the Bible is. I mean it was written thousands of years ago when people didn't know anything about how the world works. And to still think that it is relevant in today's society still blows me away. I mean, it was only a few hundred years ago when our medical understanding was the 4 humors and people that blood letting was a legit form of medical practice.
@@codybear5840 Hey, bloodletting is totally a legit medical procedure if your problem is that you have too much blood.
On a more serious note, an atheist does not have to believe that there is no god. An atheist merely does not believe that there is a god. Most atheists are agnostic. If you don't believe in a god, you are an atheist. People have tried to make atheism sound extreme and illogical by miscategorizing it, but in reality, as NSC has said, atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of belief.
@@catherinestickels2591 I believe.....that you are right... However, I am going to ponder the idea for a while.
Meh! I think religion should be attacked but that's just me.
This guy is brilliant in his simplicity. Snappy writing, clever but simple drawings, and basically holding up a mirror to the dogma
So glad I never unsubscribed, my faith has been rewarded with the resurrection of this channel! Hallelujah!
and in the third year of absence he shall rise
As it was foretold in the quote i will make right now in gospel of this comment section: "After 3 years, he shall return form the dead and give us the alternative facts" and so it was done so, and we knew he was the chosen one!
Time to write 4 versions of this event.
@@Lucroq how long before we can write the book of Mormon style fan fiction?
I don't know how you did it man but best video to date. I'm blown away and I absolutely loved it.
So glad to have you back, you've been missed.
Oh come on, this is the best video?
Have you even watched any other NSC videos?
Morpheas I think there’s an argument to be made. The old NSC videos are a little fuzzy in my memory but this video shows how religious power can be manipulated for political gain often with disastrous side effects (like antisemitism). I think it’s good to make the point that religious texts aren’t just full of errors but that they are dangerous.
your greatest video was the bible quiz show. i have deconverted so many people with that video. Glad you are back never stop, we need your brilliance
Agreed, that's a work of genius.
Come on, that whole ‘once saved, always saved’ is completely meaningless, and exists only in the minds of believers so they can feel better about the imaginary eternal destiny of the souls of their loved ones, who no longer believe the ridiculous myths and fables that were shoved down their throat by parents for years and years.
pinkah boo Telling any child to believe in primitive nonsense, like burning in hell for eternity, is always going to be a mild form of child abuse. Indoctrination such as this forces children to fight their way back to evidence based reality while growing back up, rather than choosing to be religious once their minds can truly comprehend the implications of those beliefs. It distracts people from learning about more important things in their formative years.
You act as though my religious upbringing was some sort of exception: nope, just your average middle class Christian raised by decent parents who meant well, but who were ultimately immature baby boomers who are now religious skeptics today, thankfully. However, I was definitely a Christian. Baptized at eight and ‘saved’ at 12.
If you became a skeptic, how would you view your prior Christian beliefs? You would probably cringe if other Christians told you were either never really saved to begin with, or still are. There’s a difference between truly believing, and the beliefs being true. It’s usually just Christians who adhere to such illogical false dichotomies.
You should watch more NSC videos. Lots to learn. You’re not going to convince many people the way you’re going. There’s a wide world out there full of science and knowledge, and don’t you find it suspicious that Christianity doesn’t want you to be worldly? Don’t you find it odd that Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, the forbidden fruit? Religion holds people back, and it’s wrong to push that mode of thinking on to children.
For most people, the path of reason logically leads to naturalism, so safe journeys.
"Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)" is the title, just in case you want to avoid clicking the subscriber name, clicking videos and not finding it.
The baconized cmon man it must be nice to believe their is a creator saving people, giving life meaning to their life and their always love them and save them from death. I know you and I believe that life is just a miraculous evolutionary event due to adaptions and mutations over millions of years and we’re here temporary here against all odds to live short lives that ultimately have no meaning or purpose except what we give meaning and value to. I mean eventually our lives are forgotten and everything we did or will do are gone never to be remembered and the universe never even knew we were here in the first place.
I also know you believe the god of the Bible is a mass murdering psychopath who burns people forever for ridiculous crimes like not believing and slaughters millions in the Bible with ridiculous rules that no civilized society could ever implement. I do too.
But she believes the nice god that saves the good people, only sending the worst people to hell. always watches over them has very modern progressive views on morality and will always love her and her family. And will never leave her.
I know you and I after extensive research have come to very different conclusions about the same religion and could never believe again. But just let her believe man. It makes her happy.
Your bible contradictions game show video was one of the last straws in me deconverting. Thanks for what you do. It's cool to read the comments here that so many other people have been effected by your videos too.
Doesn't sound like you had strong faith if you left it after watching a poorly made cartoon with no evidence just assumptions.
@@mattpowell6291 Oop, a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy out here in the wild. For the record, this video is pretty accurate. Scholarly consensus agrees that Mark was the first gospel to be written and you'd notice that as the Gospels progress, blame over Jesus's death keeps being shifted from the Romans to the Jews. This was one of the causes for the great antisemitism in the early church. I could recommend you a book that delves well into this topic (among other Biblical stuff) but I doubt you'd want to read it.
Also, they said one of the videos was one of the straws that led to them deconstructing so... it's not just one video and one thing. Your point is kinda moot.
@@monochromicornthetuna4256 To the contrary. I still learn a lot about the bible everyday. Not interested in being ignorant. The Gospels of Mark and Luke were written by individuals who heard the stories from others. They were not eyewitnesses so that has to be kept in mind when reading these Gospels. I'm sure that Mark was written first and then Luke. My point was that there are some things that scholars couldn't 100% know unless they went back in time to ask Luke like "did he deliberately leave out details to appease an audience?" "Did he copy some of Mark's Gospel word for word?"
@@mattpowell6291I'm glad you understand that the bible isn't an all-perfect holy book and is in fact simply a writing of men too uneducated to know of the world beyond their little sphere. That's a very good step towards understanding the world better.
@mattpowell6291 Doesn’t seem like you have enough background knowledge of that person’s life history to be able to make such a determination. I’m callin it like I see it.
"He even gets angry at vegetation"
"Who doesn't now and then!?" That's a good one
So happy you're back, hope your wife and kids are doing well mate x
@Julian Baxter same
@Julian Baxter Did you have a stroke? Are you ok?
@Julian Baxter I'm a smidge worried for you, boy. Let me fetch you some hot tea and draw an ice bath for you.
Well done! I first saw NSC about two years ago as I was leaving christianity. Those videos helped me free myself. This is also the first time I've ever watched one on the same day it was released. I was looking forward to it, and was not disappointed.
This is incredible! I was a missionary in Germany about 8 years ago when I first saw one of your videos. Being able to laugh about this stuff really helped to ease the pain of my disillusionment back then and it's so great to see you at it again.
Where you a Mormon then?
If multiple people wrote a factual autobiograpahical book about you, and were all with you at different times and events, and you said different things at different times would that mean that they were all lying?? Should we also doubt your existence because one person saw you at one event a certain day, and another saw you at a different event on a different day?? Would they be contradicting eachother?? I'm sure you've been both angry and happy, so if one person wrote about your anger, and another wrote about your cheerfulness would they both be contradicting eachother??
@@berencoppin8995 No. I was involved with a church that would be somewhere in the charismatic non denominational category. How about you?
@@rs72098 That's a totally valid point. I have no retort.
@@rs72098 if they both specify the specific moment they do contadict. Or if they make contradicting statements like “that day there were no clouds from dawn till dusk” whilst the other says “the whole day it was cloudy until the setting of the sun did no cloud disperse”
BEST DAY EVER!!!
I'm a witness!
@shannon Q hey! Best people come here!
Shannon, did you happen to be the FIRST this time? :P
Yes!
amen
Wow! A new video after 5 years, next thing you know you'll upload another one in 4 years, it's a miracle.
Shade lmfao
That last line,'Just one more thing, give him a virgin birth, with angels, magical stars and shit like that." really tickled me. Thank you.
It would certainly have appealed to a gentile audience well-accustomed to tales of half-human god-men like Bacchus and Hercules. Meanwhile, pure monotheists like Jews (and later Muslims) find the concept anathema.
@@FreemanicParacusia Ahhh, innocence is hilarious. Reread the Old Testament to see Jewish magic. I mean, they carried a box that killed you if you touched it around a city to create an earthquake. Islamic religious art was a trip. Shame someone decided it was sinful. You can find protected examples though! In addition to Mohammed having a flaming head, it also depicted him riding a magic horse. Here's a description:
"A mythological creature with the head of a human and the body of a horse, the Buraq is closely associated with the Prophet Muhammad in Islamic mythology. While the exact details of their interactions vary over time and place, most hadiths consistently describe the Prophet as riding the Buraq during his night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem, an event known as the isra."
You’re back! Yes! My former Christianity had been on a slippery slope. Then, one day I binge-watched your channel, and it really gave me the final push.
David Allen - Unfortunate for you, unless that final push landed you in Jesus' arms. Just because the story was made to fit the audience, it doesn't mean that the purpose is a lie. The idea is to bring people to faith, and a personal relationship with God, in the person of Jesus Christ. If you can be swayed by this mockery, you must not have been quite serious about finding the real truth about God's love. Did you never hear the prayer, "Lord, I believe, help thou my unbelief." Or even, "Jesus, I open my heart and invite you in. Come and share your love with me." If you are really sincere, either of those will work, to bring you face to face with God. Don't just follow a blind man who refuses to see, or you will both fall into the pit.
Kid 50 Every word of the bible is true! - but when the words group together to form sentences, that’s when the crap begins.
@@lukasmakarios4998 ah, the classic ad hominem. Seems to be a standard pattern among 'believers'.
Mee too!
@@lukasmakarios4998 I don't know how you know this as fact.
"Archbishop, I believe you -sort of but I am not convinced you have a reliable source for your claim because of my unbelief. Present some evidence that supports your superstition that imaginary Jesus is hovering about right now.
I am sure the same strategy works for all superstitions and the one true faith of Pastafarianism. I wonder if you would accept this strategy if the victim you were addressing was a Utah Moron or a Jumping Jehorses Witless.
The correct mantra is to say.
"Most High Noodly FSMonster, I open my mouth and invite you to be transported on the end of my fork into my mouth. R'Amen"
It works every time you have some pasta in front of you, a steady hand, and a good appetite. It does not work if you imagine the stuff.
Learning the actual structure of the Gospels was part of what really helped me leave Christianity. As a Christian i never actually had any church leader explain their real chronology, nor that they actually say different things at different times. I remember being confused all the time during holidays when the preacher would read a beginning of a story from Luke, then read the rest of the story from John.
Once i started questioning my religion and i realized there were certain things that were ignored or hid from me by the church leaders, it made me realize _why_ they did not talk about these things. Because there are glaring problems with the Bible that they don't want to address or have young church members think about.
You really really haven't lost it. In fact, this may be even better than the old stuff. This is exciting.
I'm in awe of the research. Now I know why it takes you so long to make these. 14.5 minutes, and every bit chock full of information. I paused often to make sure I got everything written and spoken.
Fortunately, his hobby of not collecting stamps also provides him with more free time for research. ;)
I watched this 4 years ago and I still love it. So subtle a work of historical fiction retold.
So glad you're back. You freed me from the shackles of this bullshit Christianity. I let go of so much because of you. I can't thank you enough. Wishing you and your family all the best.
Same, this guy changed so many lives, even in a 3 year silence; much like the 500 year game of quiet-mouse god played in the bible
that's so beautiful.
Yea!
I second this...NSC was hugely influential in my pursuit of truth and escape from Christianity.
Christianity at its core is about loving the creator and one another. If you study the teachings of jesus, they are pretty sound. Even if you dont believe that the bible is factual, can you deny the value of its teachings?
He protecc
He attacc
But most importantly,
He bacc
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He thicc
Perfect! Thanks for popping out of retirement man, as many have stated, your logic mixed with humor but never short on facts was integral to my waking up process. Thanks dude!
“He even gets angry at vegetation!”
“Who doesn’t now and then!?”
9:05
Yea, I also tend to get angry at the apple trees in my garden when they don't bear fruit in the middle of winter. I'm only human!
I was just about to get angry at some vegetation, and then I saw this!
You're an idiot on anything political just so you know
ignore mario mario. My only interactions with him involve his inability to read what his opposition actually writes rather than his projection of their beliefs.
By debunking flat earthers, you're doing -Gods- work
I still get angry at Bush. Last time I threw a shoe I couldn't find the bloody thing.
CoolHardLogic Hey are you still a fan of Black Pigeon Speaks or have you figured out he's a neo Nazi yet? Also do you think Jews are engineering the destruction or weakening of the white race through immigration? If not, was there ever a time when you did believe this? Because you commented approvingly on a Black Pigeon Speaks video to this effect.
HE'S BACK, THE MAN, THE MYTH, THE LEGEND. THE NON-KNITTER, um, I mean, um? THE MAN WHO doesn't play scrab... Sorry, it's been awhile, um, ah, yes.
*clears throat*
THE ONE AND ONLY, NON-BADGE COLLECTOR. Yeah, that's it, thirds time the charm.
It's okay to be lonely but if you need a friend I'm here for ya. ....but please stop trying so hard....as a honest person and not really a friend
- the good listener
@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 ?
thegoodlisteners listenwell wtf
Yes?
@@thegoodlistenerslistenwell2646 ...an* honest...
The h is silent.
Thank you.
I'm not an atheist anymore.
You made me an Antitheist.
From a non-stamp-collector, to
"we dont need stamps anymore. There are better alternatives. It's a waste of resources and bad for our environment."
I walked away from Christianity many many years before discovering NSC.
I had thought my way out of it after I compared it to science. I found it silly, petty and convincing, but I still identified as a cultural Christian.
Then around 10 years ago I discovered Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris. It was then I realised I didn't even respect it, and didn't need to. I knew then that I should be prepared to say as much (If asked). They also made me see the harm it caused in every aspect of life.
Then I found a Christian apologetics radio show called 'Unbelievable'. It was then I realised the lengths Christian's will go to, to hang onto their faith, despite the utter lack of evidence for it.
Then finally, I discovered Non Stamp Collector about 4 years ago. I laughed, and admired his clarity in demolishing a religion that never really made sense to me.
Welcome back Non Stamp Collector!
The Gospel of Luke, rated R for Roman.. lol
Outstanding video dude!
Welcome back NonStampCollector! As you promised the graphics are slightly less shit... I like this level of slightly less shit - it's still classic NSC, but better. It's part Monkey Island, part NSC, and just as funny as both. Quality, mate. Quality.
When's the next flattard vid?
@@dathanlo I did the first recording of a new set of Questions for Flattards so hopefully not long as they're quite quick to put together.
CoolHardLogic
I love NSC’s errr ‘shittyness’ if that’s what I should call it, in my opinion it’s his style
@@engulfvids couldn't have said it better myself
@@dathanlo you're an idiot on politics fyi.
I missed these. The systematic removal of Jesus's anger is something I had never noticed. That's really interesting.
Yeah, I wonder what led him to notice this pattern?
If you arrange the gospels in order of written, the first one Jesus is pretty mundane, the second he had some tricks up his sleeve, the third he had some magical powers, and the last he was practically a demi-god.
If you arrange the writings on Hercules' stories in order of written you'll also notice in the first ones he was just a buff dude, later he had some magical powers, and the last of the writings he was a demi-god.
Luke always struck me as the "friendliest" of the gospels.
@@kaczynskis5721 except for Luke 14:26 "you can't follow me unless you hate your parents", which was softened in Matthew 10:34 to "you can't follow me if you love your parents more than me"
@@powerdump3000
Yeah, just sucks that you have no evidence to back up your claim. It is called *perspective* . To expect the gospels writers to agree word for word is ridiculous.
I love Luke's nervous chuckle at 1:02 after saying Mark was written by "an eyewitness." He knows deep down it's bullshit. 😂
Holy crap! I knew that the gospel accounts didn't harmonize with each other, learning that was what started me questioning, and eventually leaving my faith (thank you @TruthSurge) but DAMN this is stark! Welcome back, I've missed you.
They were written by different people. If they harmonised perfectly you would question moreso if they were written by different people.
A new video from NonStamp! I "liked" it before I even watched it.
Thank you for all the effort you've put in over the years. Your videos are hilarious and never get old. They were very helpful in my deconversion, pointing out all the contradictions, inconsistencies and downright silliness of the beliefs instilled in me from childhood.
I dont wanna be THAT guy. But why is liking a video before watching a good thing when disliking a video before watching it gets you criticized?
@@TZR1989
Good point. I guess because I'm a fan and, until proven otherwise, I'm pretty sure that I'm going to like whatever NonStamp produces.
I suspect most of the close-minded who immediately "dislike" a video probably never watch it. Subconsciously they are afraid the arguments presented will challenge their beliefs. The safest thing to do after watching 30 seconds is click dislike and move on to another video that confirms their worldview.
Of course they would argue that I'm doing the same thing...
@@ericpierce3660 They would, and i have argued from that point too.
I would say its safe to dislike or like a video no matter how much you seen or even if you seen it.
Usually people know ahead of time or during if they like what theyre watching or not.
It was just an interesting thought i had when I saw your post.
@@TZR1989 boy am I Kate to the party but I wanna give my input. I think why people get criticized for disliking a video before watching it is because that means that they would have probably had to go out of their way to either search up or just click on the video instead of scrolling with the intent of disliking it. Where as the people who "liked a video before watching it likely already is a fan of the videos topic or the creator, so it's likely that they would end up "liking" the video anyways.
Any ways that's my two cents. Thanks for reading.
@@bradleyhandsonjoehallschro5419 is the event for me thats not the case. Say for example Thunderf00t. Was a huge fan of his but then he started going on anout American poltics and Brexit. And everytime he did i just HATED the video. Clicked dislike. And exited the video.
This is usually the case for me. It takes usually one simple thing for me to like or dislike a video. Otherwise i usually domt bother eith the raiting system.
Its not exactly meaningful anyway. The ratings system here is arbitrary. Its not like raiting like a video game or movie where theres more than just personal opinion to go off of. And i dont think people generally rate youtube vids based on things like plot and cinematography.
The legend has returned.
The gospel of luke Is about boy growing up on a desert planet and saves the galaxy from a galactic empire
Becomes radicalized after his family is killed in a military attack, joins the remnants of an ancient cult, and participates in a terrorist attack that kills millions
@@Ponera-Sama Genious.
I don't get it...this is the Gospel of Luke, but there isn't even _ONE_ mention of the Skywalker family at all!
The reason for that is because the authors were Star Trek fans. Legend has it that the gospels were originally titled "Kirk", "Picard", "Sisko" and "Janeway" with "Archer" as the so-called lost gospel.
"The Gospel of Wesley"
Perhaps in the year 3019 the Jedi order will have been subsumed into the gospel (under the Second gospel of Luke) just as earlier Sumerian works were subsumed into current scripture.
The Jedi will be pictured as a brave order of disciples who tried spreading the Lord's word around the anointed gentile church of Rome, only for Satan to try to curb the movement using a corrupt Roman senator Sidius, who had slain his mentor Plagius, to become the most powerful voice in the Roman senate and ultimately Emperor of Rome - Plagius Caesar.
God, upon seeing the oppression of his people, will be reborn anew via her holy blessed virgin Smee to revitalise the church. He is verified as the the lord returned via awe inspiring miracles, such as raising up of a shipwrecked vessel from the Red Sea, and topping his walk-on-water routine, by walking in the sky - hence his followers dubbing him Sky-Walker.
His message will cut through the world like a saber of light using the power of the Holy Spirit, also known as the force.
@@HTYM Oh, shut up, Wesley!
That's a popular misconception. The story is actually based on the life of Lucas Jackson, played by Paul Newman in the gospel.
10:48 "blame the Jews more". Christian history summed up in a nutshell.
Well clearly that has lead to unfair hatred towards Jews nowadays.
@@camrenmugabe4166 by that logic BIPOC cannot blame and hold white people accountable for slavery and colonialism
@@madladjad9936 what? How is that related at all?
Your channel was one of the channels that helped me on my way out of religion. I used to be a Jehovah's Witness, so in a way, your channel is partially responsible for sparing some poor sod from having his door banged on by me early in the day. LOL
When you stopped making videos I came to accept that you had simply moved on after some time, but it's great to see you making videos again. I always found them hilarious and witty.
Welcome back!
I agree with this, wb nonstampcollector
Hey fellow former JW!
@@matthewreeves2847 Heeey another EXJW! Always glad to see a fellow Watchtower escapee.
No more magazine peddling for us. Haha!
You could STILL make your rounds, door to door, but this time, to promote Jedi-ism. Hell, I'd even invite you in to hear more :)
@@Oakhart76 Not a bad idea. And we'd still have the Book of Luke, only it'd involve a different "Luke".
Understanding the life of Jesus is the most confusing task and we’re expect to put all of our faith in this guy
What a great day for RUclips. You helped me in my transition into atheism. I think you're one of the most influential atheist RUclipsrs, always on point. Thanks for all your work :)
Meh... Not as good as your old stuff.
Jk man, so glad you're back! I think I actually found your channel around the time you were leaving, so thank you for coming back! I didn't even get to know you, but you helped me in so many ways!
I'm in the same boat. I saw his videos right around when he stopped making them. Don't remember how I got here (darkmatter?)
...and I forgot to watch it on the toilet
Same here.
Yay, another video by NSC!
IKR?
"Just change it, he gets too angry" that had me dying in laughter. Thank you so much for this video. This something I've been either theorizing for a long time, but to hear it for myself was reassuring. Thank you so much for this!
Wow I have never realised there was that much contradictions in the gospels
Edit: I just came back to the video to add something and I got a bible ad...
Anyway before this video I only knew that the contradictions were just near the end of Jesus's life and at his birth. Thanks NSC so enlightening us more, no I really mean it, Thanks.
And they always go on about the consensus of the gospels...
www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46986
Excellent link!
@@AntonArmsberg
[Amazon mode on]
If you liked that, you may like this: www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46737
So glad you’re back! I found your channel when I was in a lowest point of uncertainty and fear. My previously held Christian beliefs that I was having a hard time letting go of were challenged by your videos and ultimately helped me make the decision to leave my faith. Plus your videos are super funny!
Welcome back! And just as great as before.
Although I was an atheist before I came across your channel, it actually helped quite a few of my family members (Catholic) to see the absurdity in the Bible and helped towards their overall deconversion (I say deconversion, because let's face it, everyone is born an atheist)
You know what's great about this? That you included sources and notes. I mean now I can really feel comfortable with my decision to leave the church. 25 years of indecision. Thanks for all you do!
@@stevepaige7557 all of them. The timing of your comment is odd, in the three years since I wrote this comment, I have completely changed directions. I was just talking with a psychologist friend today about spirituality and individualism and how I believe that God is real in the sense that it is a real, hidden part of our psyche that is unique to us all, and spirituality is just a methodology for attempting to incorporate the Form into our conscious selves. And religion is just an attempt (a successful one in many cases) to harness that reach toward perfection in order to unify people under a banner. In other words, organized religion prevents us from individuating and becoming our complete selves. I'm sure that the creators of new religions have good intentions, they fixed themselves and wanted to share that process with everyone, but the process they try to teach is not accepting of the uniqueness of our personal "God".
I like to call my new direction "naturalist spirituality" (just found out talking to my friend there's already a similar thing called "spiritual naturalism") in that it recognizes the existence of God in terms that fit into a naturalist view of the universe. A Jungian view of you will.
@@deluxeassortment lmfao
Gotta say you helped me a lot . I was always skeptical of my religion and once I saw some of your videos while doing research if I really did believe in this stuff and you gave me the push I needed to be free from Christianity. Also, I showed some of your vids to my friends who are Christians and they liked them so, I guess it’s quality does permeate through their bias.
Yup
Nice
I'm inching my cousin into the absolute insanity of it all. I started with Noah's ark and she "got it"! So excited that you're active again, keep it up. 😊
Are you leading your cousin out of christianity? That would be terrible.
Aaron Heaton Sounds more like they’re just showing their cousin the true insanity that is real Christianity, and letting her figure her way out on her own.
@@tristanneal9552 Uh, yup! 😀
Aaron Heaton
You should watch more NSC videos, and pay more attention to the topics. Investigate anything new you hear and learn. You’ll be deconverted in no time yourself.
Realizing that old religions, like the doctrine of an eternal lake of fire, is nothing but primitive nonsense is a bad thing? Get real.
Wow that was fantastic. I knew Luke was more for a Roman audience but I'd never considered or realized the fact that after the "resurrection" the geographic locations of appearances were used to that end. Thanks for the entertaining and educational content.
I actually noticed this the first time I was reading through the Bible, this and other inconsistencies drove me from the religion. I love it when my family asks me what caused my lack of faith I merely say I read the Bible.
First upvote for your come back. Anyway glad you're back.
The legend has returned to save us from stupidity.
Hooray for NSC! I'm glad to see you're still alive =D
Just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done. You helped me move away from harmful ideologies when I was in a place of deep confusion. Your videos are awesome. Keep living your best life.
"I think you're over estimating how critically people are going to read these documents."
That was golden.
Your videos were my first steps towards enlightenment. Thank you. Glad you're back.
Damn! I should've written my own Gospel, but instead I've decided to delegate this task to my disciples. What a mistake!
Jesus in Skyrim
“If a man testify in himself is testimony is untrue.”- Jesus.
You are lost.
Gospels weren't written by his disciples. Mark came first and was written between 60-80 C.E.
You can start guessing the ages of the Apostles.
Paul's adventures were also written earlier than the gospels.
@@RedVelvetBlackleather are you saying god does not fully and truly know himself?
Bro get on elder scrolls online, jesus
I haven't even watched it and i love it.
Tyler Madewell that's OK man, I watched it twice. On average it all equals out.
With that forehead bending space time so harshly I'm not surprised you can see into the future
@@isaacbenmoussa4454 i shouldn't have laughed as hard as i just did
@@isaacbenmoussa4454 oof a big forehead joke. Never heard that before lol
Tyler Madewell sorry. I got a big nose if you want to throw a joke back
'i think you're overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents.' Luke 10:41
That killed me, good job mate.
Welcome back!!! So glad to see a new clip! My journey toward deconversion was a long one, but you're a major reason I was able to reach that tipping point. I cannot thank you enough.
@NonStampCollector ,
Thank you so much!
Every few months I find a reason to re-watch your old material... for instance, about a month ago I was referred to a Ken Hovind video on RUclips. I thought the best rebuttal possible was your Noah's Ark two-parter. It's so... on point, and condensed, with references at the ready. Your material is truly brilliant. It's a public service.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw a new video. This is treasure!
I show the Noahs Ark video to lots of people. It's pure genius!
It really puts things in perspective ;D
The deeper you dig, the more it's clear. The Bible is here because of fear. Fear of death and the unknown. Thank you NSC for all you have shown!
That's why I prefer the Orange Catholic Bible. "I must not fear, fear is the mind killer."
If the Bible was meant only to assuage fear why does it include so many terrifying accounts and disturbing messages? And why would they leave all the doubt and uncertainty, sometimes entire books of it like Job and Ecclesiastes?
@@jeffreylaporte6525 because most atheists cannot grasp the possibility that someone born before 1968 might be more enlightened than them
You've probably heard this before but being brought up in a borderline fundamentalist christian family, seeing and hearing these stories in your version makes me almost angry. I've parted with christianity about 20 years ago and even if my childhood was good, I feel almost betrayed by my family for feeding me this bullshit for so long. The only thing that makes it ok for me is that I know they were fed it themselves and in a time where information was not as easy to obtain as today. But I know people that went to Bible School for years and they actually studied the bible daily, how can they still not see all these contradictions? I know they're not bad people, they're just blinded, but they're also not stupid and know the book almost by heart. How do they get past all those things you list in your videos?
Oh and your accuracy is amazing, even though I haven't been reading the bible for over 20 years, I still know pretty much all the stories you picked up as if I read them yesterday. Shows you how effective childhood indoctrination is.
Until Bart Ehrman started to put some of these inconsistencies side by side for the general public, I never really noticed them either. Once you start looking, though, it becomes an avalanche.
Blind faith is the answer, the contradictions aren't even seen, ik when I believed in Islam I saw no contradiction in the theology, that is until I was shown the scripture in a different light, that created doubt, doubt leads to the "bursting of the bubble" then, finally you can see the bullshit.
Can you tell me what these contradictions are?
@@dekuboidonut4552 did you watch the video?
Try being raised as a jehovahs witness.
Fantastic stuff again especially with the humor. From your fan in Abuja, Nigeria. 1 love.
‘I’m just going out for smokes’ he said ‘I’ll only be a few minutes’ he said...welcome back.
Yes! I am so glad you are back. This has been my favorite channel for the past three years.
10:33 "People are going to notice this, man. It'll be a bit obvious if there's a consistent series of changes along a similar theme."- Luke
"I think you are overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents."
Possibly the best exchange in NonStampColectordom.
Your videos have helped me to leave Christianity. Glad to see you're back. Don't worry about the quality of the animation, it's the message that's important.
I love those animations.. :) It’s good how it is
Barthelemy Lazerlips , no worries.. ^^ I won’t get offended if you believe the things I wont believe. See that comment under a Nonstamp video makes me think that you feel less security on your beliefs, than I feel on mines.
Barthelemy Lazerlips , I won’t fight. I just turn my other cheek for you, to belittle me again if you wish ;)
@Barthelemy Lazerlips The animations are fine. They have a certain naive childlike quality which is totally appropriate for the subject matter.
@Barthelemy Lazerlips I think you have misunderstood what I meant.
This is genius... love the research! (More than the author of Luke did, possibly.) Kinda wish we had a cameo from Theophilus.
Don't you think the character telling Luke what to write was Theophilus?
@Jonah Epstein THeophilus was a wealthy patron of Mark. He did not run the Church.
How is it Brilliant research? He got basic facts wrong. And mocking Luke for how little research he did is really insulting given Luke's Gospel is actually well researched.
This is why the "Intellectual Atheist" myth bothers me. Its pretty clear you will believe anything that fits the narrative of Christianity being stupid and wrong.
@Timothy Mostad Yeah the Believers are stupid. And Atheists are smart. That's why you will blindly believe every word Non Stamp Collector said. Because you're smart.
Its jot like his VIdeo is easy to pick apart given how rubish the Arguments are.
@Timothy Mostad -
*If you're still a believer why are you even here?*
You don't even know what I beleive. Unless you Think all Atheists would just agree with you.
*do you need to be persecuted like the zombie messiah was in fable?*
This is why I don't respect modern Atheists. All you do is repeat the same lame, tired insults. You didn't come up with calling Jesus a Zombie or a Fable, and its really not what a Rational person would even say. Its a mockery used to demean and ridicule and intimidate.
And lets face it, you're only an Atheist because it gives you a sense of empowerment. Its not really that you Think for yourself or use Reason. If it were, you'd not mindlessly repeat the same rubbish insults and pretend these arguments make sense.
*Why don't you listen to other believers videos instead of making a fool out of yourself on this video with atheists laughing at you.
*
Atheists laugh regardless of if I am here or not. And its all you lot do other than fein outrage.
The thing is, you really haven't presented any Reason to believable what I said is wrong, all you did was jump to the I'm better than you because I'm an Atheist routine.
Again, todays Atheism is more about making people feel empowered by selling a Myth that Atheism is linked to Reason and Logic and Science, and making the adherent feel superior. Like a more highly evolved being.
But do you realy Think a Highly Evolved being would use Schoolyard Taunt?
*Fyi?! I don't believe in anything, mostly because I was never brainwashed into a god cult to use theistic terminology in life.*
No, you were Brainwashed into the Religion of Atheism, and you use the terminology of the Atheist Community.
Seriously, look at how your Co-Religionists in the Atheist Community talk. Your words are indistinguishable from theirs. You use the same insults, the same snide arrogance, the same condescension, and the same arguments.
All you've done is made a Rekligion out of rejecting Christianity.
And its a Religion that is exactly like what you condemn. Its based on Blind Faith and Dogmas you aren't allowed to question.
*Do you want to learn why us evolved primates only have one life to live?*
I want to discuss the Gospel Of Luke and its origins.
*If not, Go listen to Ken Ham's bullshit*
Of course I am a Creationist, which automatically means I am a Young Earth Creationist who listens to Ken Ham.
Aron Ra was really right about how Atheists have a Higher standard of Evidence than Believers do and that's why they become Atheists. Because Atheists never assume what others believe.
*while the sane world tries to fix what the god delusion has ruined,*
So, repeating the phrase "God delusion" is supposed to make me feel what exactly? You're still just a preprogrammwed bot repeating what your told.
Also, the whole idea that believing in a god ruined the World and brought about suffering and nothing god is idiotic, as is pretending a World of only Atheists would be peaceful.
But we;ve seen what Atheists Governments can be like. And they were so bad todays Atheists deny they were really Atheists.
But they were. The Communist Nations all embraced State Atheism.
And if your retort is that not all Atheists are Communists, well so what? That still didn't stop the Atheists in Communist Countries from killing.
In fact, even if the claim that no one ever killed in the name of Atheism is True, and the Communists killed in the name of Communism,not Atheism, they still killed. And killed many. Their Atheism didn't make them not kill.
Not that it matters, as Communists actually did Kill in the name of Atheism.
And so did Mexican Revolutionaries.
And so did the cult Of Reason in France.
And so did Devon Kelley.
Al you do is make excuses to keep a moronic claim alivve that Atheists are somehow more peaceful.
And no, I already know about the Prison statistic that has been quoted for 22 Years now, and its not really True. The whole 0.2% Inmate rubbish isn't an accurate reflection of Reality. And the Zuckerman and Paul study that found Religious countries have Higher Crime Rates than Secular ones, and Religious States have Higher Crime Rates than Secular ones in the US, is also a Lie.
Especially since they omited Atheist Majority nations that would scew the results against them, and did jnot compare the nations in Europe with eachother. And even in the US, Crime is lower in deeply Religious Counties in any given state as a general rule, and there is Higher Crime in Less Religious Counties.
So don't pull that rubbish.
*he has a lie for every fact that proves how stupid the bible is.*
If I am lying, then prove my actual points wrong.
I completely and I mean completely forgot about Jesus's brother.
I actually enjoy reading about the multiple Christian sects battling it out in early Christianity.
I never really connected the dots that Paul's version "won"
my god... this is absolutely BRILLIANT!!! I've been a Mythicist for years, THANK YOU so much for this production, it's a perfect way to present what happened
"I think you are overestimating how critically people are going to read these documents." Classic.
Love from South Africa. This channel was instrumental in ridding myself of my Christian childhood. Great to have another video, thanks!
Yay South Africa!!! I'm not the only one!
Damn I missed this channel so much, NonStampCollector
, DarkMatter and the Atheist Experience was one of the reasons of my de-conversion, I hope NonStampCollector
starts uploading videos again.
BTW, is it just me or is the hair of those dudes look like pubes?
Loool well it's kinky hair.
De Conversion is a fake term. You converted. Convert means change. Atheists don't need to pretend everything in Atheism is the opposite of Religion.
Also, how can Atheists praise other Atheists for helpline Free them from Christianity then argue Atheists don't Proslytise? Im sure youll make an excuse but tis obvious this is just him spreading the Religion of Atheism by ridiculing Christianity, and equally obvious you didn't really study Christianity.
I;m not saying that because I Think no one can become an Atheist who knows the facts, but because non Stamp Collector, DarkMatter, and The Atheist Experience are really bad sources fr informaton. They are agenda driven, selective, and getbssic facts wrong.
This Video for example can't even get Right the fact that Pilate had a Reason to have Jesus flogged. It calls him a Sadist. Don't you Think just reading the Gospel Of Mark reveals he did have a Reason? To appear an angry mob and prevent a Riot?
That's not the only error in his VIdeo either.
o really, its not intelligent o give up Christianity in favour of unthinking and mindkless Anti-Christianity.
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I see where you're coming at so let me rephrase it this way, NonStampCollector
, DarkMatter and the Atheist Experience made me use logic and reason to reach conclusions instead of blind faith because let's be honest, blind faith is not a reliable method to find the truth, otherwise we wouldn't have 10,000 religions and each one contradicting each other and to make matters worse we even have christianity branches that contradict themselves as well so even christians can't get it right so this gives me plenty of reasons to throw that "blind faith" crap out of the window.
BTW, I was a Mormon, I used to believe in all the claims about Joseph Smith seeing god and talking to god and jesus, him receiving the golden plates from god, the angel moroni retrieving the golden plates afterwards (and hence, not having evidence of that either, how convenient...), once we die if we manage to reach the celestial kingdom then we would be gods, etc... I bet all those crap contradict your christianity teachings and yet you don't believe in it, why don't you use your good ol' faith to believe in all the mormon crap I just said? I already know the answer, you will say that Joseph Smith was a conman that tricked people, why don't you tell that to the other millions of mormons that believe in it? I bet they will tell you that YOU are the one who got tricked and that you don't have the "correct" religion.
See, because of crap like that I rather use logic and reason to reach conclusions instead of blind faith, if a religion claim something then they better have evidence to back it up and unfortunately religion does not have the evidence I'm looking for, a good loving god would know this and would have provided people like us with evidence and the reason he isn't able to do it makes me question him even more.
@@d-hunter9801 All you did was go from one set of Blind Faith to another. And its also not really True that "Religious people" never have evidence and just have Blind Faith. All you did was give me the same testamonial basically al other Militant Atheists do. But really, Logic? Reason? If the arguments they use are actually ignorant and irrational, then how are they teaching you to use Logic and Reason?
And are you sure you use Logic and Reason?
Because all I see in the modern Atheist Community is an echo chamber repeating the same things.
@@d-hunter9801 Oh, and you didn't de-cponvert. There is no such thing. Atheists need to stop forcing themseklves to see everythign they do as the opposite of Religion. You convert to Religion, you De-Convert away from it. Its silly.
Thank you all for making this content. It has helped me deprogram myself from the simplistically oppressive way I was raised. Beautiful humans you are! Keep up the good work.