@@priyanshupatel9000 the debounce time of your mouse is too high to drag click. Debounce time is the amount of time that must pass before the second press of the switch will be registered. (Yes I took that from google).
5:50 "Cheating also requires skill" Hypixel Hacker in Skywars: B-hops, scaffolds, has reach and other cheats Watchdog: ... , oh there is a person who got lagged back 5 blocks, let´s ban him because it has totally "nothing" to do with our servers. P.S i get the point to that. Also great video again. :D
@UrosLetsPlay well if you want to cheat for the long term definetly, but as you know there are videos on RUclips where people cheat for a few hours with out getting banned.
in some another games , you also need to require cps, but double clicking won't be registering your clicks, so except for Mc, you can do nothing with this method
I should say that in the part where you said double clicking is bad for your mouse, yes it is but on the model o you can just turn the debounce time up and not double click but your mouse switch is still double clicking but not registering cps.
Hey Spouth i dont know why did u stop uploading but when i saw ur tutorial telly bridge it Helped me! I could finally telly now! Thank u for The tutorial:)
i have a razer viper mini. Great and durable mouse. Better build quality than 95% double clicking mice. I'm happy with it for most tasks/games. However, i reaaally need/want the cps. I'm not saying this as if I started pvping a month ago. It's an idea I have developed over the years. Well, before double clicking mouse i think ill buy a better pc so that i can actually improve at what I CAN change but I think i'll need to buy a double clicking mouse, even at ebay, specifically for mc because in a future i actually want to become good and competitive, and the amount of players double clicking is dramatically increasing.
This is the reason why I don't want to play Minecraft Bed Wars and Sky Wars. In order to me, AT LEAST, to be as good as other players, I have to either scroll click or not PVP at all. Any encounter to other people are deadly, just because I don't have mouse that double clicks. My maximum is 14 cps, and I need to have insane pressure on my hand muscles in order to get it. For me, there's no difference between drag clicking and scroll clicking, it requires almost same amount of energy and if you allow drag clicking, you should allow scroll clicking as well to don't have such a big device differences or ban all of this, so max cps would be 12 or 15, (also, scroll clicking might be slower, than drag clicking).
To be honest, I don't see the difference between scroll clicking on a G502 and double clicking / auto clicking because the 500 cps that you get is also pay to win.... Also good vid :D
I found a legal loophole right there at Hypixel rules, if double clicking is allowed due to it is caused by abused mechanical functions, you can make a custom mouse that just flush 255 cps every click, and whenever the mods ban you, just send a hand cam of you using your custom mouse that flush the maximum string.
I had ever been banned in a server for double clicking. They did say that in their rules that "double click mouses" is banned, but I didn't think it's against double clicking method because "double click mouses" should be a noun which you meant click without any specific method and the mouse register two click, or in short, macro (they also count debounce time option as it). And I did argue with them for quite a long time with lot of principle of how it works but they still believe that I'm using sort of thing like the debounce time but i did not, i was just using a 10$ gaming mouse. And in the end I knew that drag click is allowed but double click is not, it seems so weird in my opinion.
What's the difference between a CPS increasing software running by default in a mouse and a CPS increasing software running in AHK? The answer is nothing. Having a mouse with such functionality doesn't provide an unfair advantage as said advantage can be attained for free with AHK.
the difference is with an autoclicker you dont have to aim while butterfly or drag clicking note that aiming while clicking is much harder than aiming while autoclicking
I got 5000cps scroll clicking on a test because my laptops kinda slow so it just registered all of the cps, and if people can scroll click it should be like every 4 clicks it counts as one
heres my opinion on input cheats in general: Using external non reactive equipment isn't cheating. Its cheating if its intelligent, such as reacting and doing stuff automatically, an example would be aimbot or even aim assist. If it does something for you when unattended its also cheating, lets say an in built auto clicker or even something as minor as free scroll on a mouse when you let go. its not cheating if it does multiple things at once, people could fasten a wood block to a secondary keyboard & configure the keys the wood is on to do certain things. Macros in my opinion are fine, but they must require active user input. So looping macros are off the table. At the end of the day its the developers that make these rules, not me. Honestly how I came to this opinion was I have a bunch of games & I dont want to change profiles each time I launch a game. If I get banned for a bad configuration, im not playing that game anymore, simply not worth my time trying to make, maintain, tune & switch separate profiles for different games.
@@Spouth eh I think it would feel awkward and it could be done right now, and you wouldn’t face any repercussions, so I’d say a lot of ppl just don’t want to give up their scroll wheel and would rather just jitter since jitter is better than all clicking methods since at a point high cps gives garbage hit reg. unless ur playing mlg rush where u need to be reducing, and a very small portion of people play mlg rush out of all people who drag click, there is little need to be drag clicking or using high cps. Nearly everything can be done with 12 cps, including godbridge and even small extensions, so I don’t even drag click that often and it’s just a matter of noobs thinking high cps will instantly make them better when in reality, all it will do is make them straight line ppl then get destroyed, or they will breezily bridge which doesn’t matter since it’s slower than ninja. (Wow I wrote alot)
Sorry if you would get backlash from self centered young children if their feelings get hurt from this video. The truth is, the double clicking and cps advantage is a problem for players when considering fairness in a holistic view. At the moment we don't have the best solution to the problem and instead of people getting mad over someone's opinion being wrong, why not just work together to discussing solutions to a problem that has stayed unsolved for over the years now. (And no, 1.9+ combat isn't the solution)
I have to say im butterflying since Almosen 3 or 4 years but at the start where i hat no mommey, i lerned movement, speedbridging and a lot of that skills and i where very good at this time, i started jitter clicking which is possible on every mause and that was very good. But after i lerned that Stuff, i Played minecraft for allmpst 2 years and i baught a kain and i say if you lern the skills first you have no disadvantige.
I also have a laptop(getting around 40 fps) and an office mouse(lenovo shit mouse) and to think that they need 30 cps just to combo, we; 6-cps-enjoyers exist 💀💀💀 Edit: this might sound like im contradicting your point, no no no, im just saying that it's getting pay to win BECAUSE they depend on their mouses WHICH they don't need, that gives them an unfair advantage
Smash bros melee mod their controllers and even have custom ones built. And some super mario kart players too. There are tons of cheap mice than can double and drag click and if you cant get them thats just how it is. You cant make everyone happy. These clicking methods allow for a higher skill ceiling so minecraft doesnt get stale as quickly. Back in 2017 only german players like Mueslikuchen or Teddynator were able to do certain bridging methods. People played bedwars without reducing (back then bedwars was like mlg rush, now the bedwars with a kb stick is called german bedwars) which required a lot of skill and technique, yes. But reducing is a whole new skill thats much more thorough than you might think. A lot of people in the pot community complain about double click mice being to expensive while using a g pro x supeprlight... and hits on hypixek register much worse with high cps. Hits in general do. I get your points but imo double clicking is definitely acceptable.
your first counter point made 0 sense. as in, you agree they are an unfair advantage, but then say people shouldnt be restricted on those, but they should for cheat clients, as that is more easy to enforce. This doesn't make sense because therefore any advantage that you get is therefore an unfair advantage. this is because being more skilled means you have more talent, or have more hours. if you have more hours than me bc i cant play as much thats therefore unfair as i cant control that? and if you are more talented, that cant be controlled, so makes it unfair also by your logic. I think the key difference between an advantage from your mouse and skill as to a client is they dont detract from a players enjoyment, and are accepted, as an unfair advantage is ultimately what the community deems unfair
I understand that double clicking can break mice faster, but wouldn't scroll clicking cause issues with breaking scroll wheels? Although I guess scroll wheels are more easily replaceable than switches. Anyways I don't quite agree with your opinion and think it has issues, but I still respect you for trying to propose a solution and think about the issue. Also I'm writing this at 1 am so sorry if my grammar sucks.
Spouth I partially agree with you because I can see why scroll clicking could be a good idea BUT eventually someone is going to find a way to abuse scroll clicking which will make it worse than double clicking, butterfly clicking, and drag clicking
@@Spouth Ok so you know ow you were talking bout how scroll clicking gives you better cps than an autoclicker. And you were talking about how if servers allowed scroll clicking. That means that they could autoclick, scroll click and the server wouldnt notice which is which bc scroll clicking would be allowed.
@@yeatsu3696 Some people would continue to autoclick and scroll click which would get them more cps and would they not be banned if scroll clicking was allowed on servers,wouldnt
the anti cheat wouldnt be able to distinguish auto clicker from scroll clicking because scroll clicking anyways gets you like 40 cps and auto clicking is worse than scroll clicking so it would think thee autoclicker combined with the scroll clicking is just scroll clicking with extra cps.
get a logitech g502 and you have 500cps with scroll click so i think its the same thing with double cliking and some mouses have better scroll wheels. i have the a70 and kone pro and i can tell the scroll wheel on the a70 is way better. and i dont think spouth,s reason was bad this is just my opinion.
They two year old kids at just gonna by the g502 (which I have) and just get infinite cps. Also some scroll wheels are terrible like my model o wireless one it’s kinda bad. But great vid ❤❤
Really old vid, but I just think the argument that double clicking is fair is silly since you can apply the same logic to someone plugging in one of those aimbot dongles into their xbox controller and then playing a shooter with it. A piece of software that turns your mouse clicks into double clicks is cheating even though it's free and readily available for ANYONE to use no matter what mouse they have, but having a mouse that can do the same thing is okay cause you paid for it? Other people shouldn't be at a disadvantage cause of someone else's busted mouse... (the skill argument doesn't really work cause double clicking on a mouse really isn't hard... I'd argue it takes more skill to run an app like I mentioned above without getting a virus and nuking your windows installation). Either way the minecraft 1.8 pvp community is dying out and rightfully so. Sad to see but in a lot of ways they did it to themselves.
This is a BETTER VERSION of the last vid.
Why in my drag click only sound is coming and vibration is happening not click is counting
@@priyanshupatel9000 the debounce time of your mouse is too high to drag click. Debounce time is the amount of time that must pass before the second press of the switch will be registered. (Yes I took that from google).
ok
I have an office mouse that i play with and because I can't butterfly click i end up wit 6-7 cps
can u tell me what texture pack are you using in video? :)
I just learned what double clicking is and now understand why I sometimes randomly place 2 blocks lol
5:50 "Cheating also requires skill"
Hypixel Hacker in Skywars: B-hops, scaffolds, has reach and other cheats
Watchdog: ... , oh there is a person who got lagged back 5 blocks, let´s ban him because it has totally "nothing" to do with our servers.
P.S i get the point to that. Also great video again. :D
@UrosLetsPlay well if you want to cheat for the long term definetly, but as you know there are videos on RUclips where people cheat for a few hours with out getting banned.
the idea of scroll clicking is actually very genius.
in some another games , you also need to require cps, but double clicking won't be registering your clicks, so except for Mc, you can do nothing with this method
I should say that in the part where you said double clicking is bad for your mouse, yes it is but on the model o you can just turn the debounce time up and not double click but your mouse switch is still double clicking but not registering cps.
Hey Spouth i dont know why did u stop uploading but when i saw ur tutorial telly bridge it Helped me! I could finally telly now! Thank u for The tutorial:)
Bad gaming setup is a disadvantage
i have a razer viper mini. Great and durable mouse. Better build quality than 95% double clicking mice. I'm happy with it for most tasks/games. However, i reaaally need/want the cps. I'm not saying this as if I started pvping a month ago. It's an idea I have developed over the years. Well, before double clicking mouse i think ill buy a better pc so that i can actually improve at what I CAN change but I think i'll need to buy a double clicking mouse, even at ebay, specifically for mc because in a future i actually want to become good and competitive, and the amount of players double clicking is dramatically increasing.
This is the reason why I don't want to play Minecraft Bed Wars and Sky Wars. In order to me, AT LEAST, to be as good as other players, I have to either scroll click or not PVP at all. Any encounter to other people are deadly, just because I don't have mouse that double clicks. My maximum is 14 cps, and I need to have insane pressure on my hand muscles in order to get it. For me, there's no difference between drag clicking and scroll clicking, it requires almost same amount of energy and if you allow drag clicking, you should allow scroll clicking as well to don't have such a big device differences or ban all of this, so max cps would be 12 or 15, (also, scroll clicking might be slower, than drag clicking).
Ive seen people not use double clicking to god bridge they say its all about timing
logitec g502: hold my keyboard
Yo I love your vids, i was just wondering what mousepad you use
To be honest, I don't see the difference between scroll clicking on a G502 and double clicking / auto clicking because the 500 cps that you get is also pay to win.... Also good vid :D
Only Legends Remember it was originally called why scroll clickinh should be allowed
i think that third party double clicking programs should be allowed for people with mice that is not able to double click
BRO the remake is too good
the video is shorter and alot better
I found a legal loophole right there at Hypixel rules, if double clicking is allowed due to it is caused by abused mechanical functions, you can make a custom mouse that just flush 255 cps every click, and whenever the mods ban you, just send a hand cam of you using your custom mouse that flush the maximum string.
4:50 I can godbridge... With single click
im going to try keybinding my scoll wheel to my attack button
scroll wheel*
I had ever been banned in a server for double clicking. They did say that in their rules that "double click mouses" is banned, but I didn't think it's against double clicking method because "double click mouses" should be a noun which you meant click without any specific method and the mouse register two click, or in short, macro (they also count debounce time option as it). And I did argue with them for quite a long time with lot of principle of how it works but they still believe that I'm using sort of thing like the debounce time but i did not, i was just using a 10$ gaming mouse. And in the end I knew that drag click is allowed but double click is not, it seems so weird in my opinion.
"And there is almost no game that requires this much cps, only minecraft"
Cookie Cliker- *What am I chopped liver*
yes, but if we start scroll clicking, i had an expirience like this when i was doing it and my scroll started making noises
What's the difference between a CPS increasing software running by default in a mouse and a CPS increasing software running in AHK? The answer is nothing. Having a mouse with such functionality doesn't provide an unfair advantage as said advantage can be attained for free with AHK.
the difference is with an autoclicker you dont have to aim while butterfly or drag clicking note that aiming while clicking is much harder than aiming while autoclicking
In my video I wasn't talking about a macro i was talking about a clicking technique where you double click with one "click"
hey would you make a subtitle video pls?
Yea pls make one
For left click, yes. For right click, no.
6:51 Yes they do, it's called 1.9+
The scroll button in minecraft is my jump button 😅😅
When did the butterfly click point come in?
As I butterfly click without using double click and I think that is completely fair
Most ppl bfly with dc. I figured that ppl would realise that I wasn't calling out sc bfly clickers🤷
Please come back sir Spouth. We need you back!!
Software that can recreate the double clicking effect?
I Can Drag, And Butterfly W/double Clicks On My Mouse. I Can Feel The Clicks, But They Dont Register.
I don’t double click for pvp and I’m doing quite fine. I’m sure I can be better though, but I don’t know how to butterfly and don’t really try to.
I got 5000cps scroll clicking on a test because my laptops kinda slow so it just registered all of the cps, and if people can scroll click it should be like every 4 clicks it counts as one
anyone know the name of the texture pack? 0:35
yeah scroll clicking would be great in minecraft
7:00 there are 2 versions of pvp where cps doesn't matter already, bedrock and 1.9
dude cps matters in pvp bedrock.
Bro i think every mc kid wants a drag clicking mouse
(5:15) if you hit select or jump reset than you are wrong that you need high cps to combo
if someone going to you with 30 cps and wtap you are dead he wont take kb and you will got comboed
@@IGNcaisem yeah but who clicks 30 cps.
Ok I’ll admit I do butterfly click than hit select once I’ve got the combo but it is still possible to get a combo without high cps (I just suck💀)
What is the shader at the start pls
Why did u quit
me with a logitech g502 and canned air:
*hehehehe*
heres my opinion on input cheats in general:
Using external non reactive equipment isn't cheating.
Its cheating if its intelligent, such as reacting and doing stuff automatically, an example would be aimbot or even aim assist.
If it does something for you when unattended its also cheating, lets say an in built auto clicker or even something as minor as free scroll on a mouse when you let go.
its not cheating if it does multiple things at once, people could fasten a wood block to a secondary keyboard & configure the keys the wood is on to do certain things.
Macros in my opinion are fine, but they must require active user input. So looping macros are off the table.
At the end of the day its the developers that make these rules, not me.
Honestly how I came to this opinion was I have a bunch of games & I dont want to change profiles each time I launch a game. If I get banned for a bad configuration, im not playing that game anymore, simply not worth my time trying to make, maintain, tune & switch separate profiles for different games.
remember that this is the same guy that made a video on a toxic pvp strat, jump resetting
Why is it toxic?
my middle button is broken :)
I have a solution if u can't double click.
Smash Ur mouse on the floor until Ur mouse starts to double click.
It's not how it works
"Also there's an entire gamemode for drag clicking, and it is called MLG Wush." 1:54
I said rush but it sounded like wush cause of my accent idk
he clearly
said rush
Bro is wafflin hard 😂
where did u go bro
what about bedrock edition and the mobile players?
well i mean most office mice can drag click...
Editing software?
editing software?
I think X-Mouse-Button has a macro that allows Scroll Clicking.
just play 1.9 my model 0 broke and i switched
yoo what font do you use
thank you man..i fell better about myself now (because my mouse is bad)
Hey Spouth i was sondering whats better model o wireless or model D wireless
pls tell me what font you use i like it so much
If u allow scroll clicking what’s to stop ppl from continuing to drag click
That's the great thing, you can still drag click. Scroll clicking would be better than it so there wouldn't be a reason to drag
@@Spouth eh I think it would feel awkward and it could be done right now, and you wouldn’t face any repercussions, so I’d say a lot of ppl just don’t want to give up their scroll wheel and would rather just jitter since jitter is better than all clicking methods since at a point high cps gives garbage hit reg. unless ur playing mlg rush where u need to be reducing, and a very small portion of people play mlg rush out of all people who drag click, there is little need to be drag clicking or using high cps. Nearly everything can be done with 12 cps, including godbridge and even small extensions, so I don’t even drag click that often and it’s just a matter of noobs thinking high cps will instantly make them better when in reality, all it will do is make them straight line ppl then get destroyed, or they will breezily bridge which doesn’t matter since it’s slower than ninja. (Wow I wrote alot)
i agree, nothing really is fair in minecraft pvp.
Damn it's been a year did something happen? Or do you just have a new chanell and I missed that info?
Sorry if you would get backlash from self centered young children if their feelings get hurt from this video. The truth is, the double clicking and cps advantage is a problem for players when considering fairness in a holistic view. At the moment we don't have the best solution to the problem and instead of people getting mad over someone's opinion being wrong, why not just work together to discussing solutions to a problem that has stayed unsolved for over the years now.
(And no, 1.9+ combat isn't the solution)
Naw i think double clicking is a huge part of the community and removing it would make it worse
I have to say im butterflying since Almosen 3 or 4 years but at the start where i hat no mommey, i lerned movement, speedbridging and a lot of that skills and i where very good at this time, i started jitter clicking which is possible on every mause and that was very good.
But after i lerned that Stuff, i Played minecraft for allmpst 2 years and i baught a kain and i say if you lern the skills first you have no disadvantige.
Specs?
you can butterfly fly click in a server but dont get more than 20 cps ( hypixel )
basically everything is
I also have a laptop(getting around 40 fps) and an office mouse(lenovo shit mouse) and to think that they need 30 cps just to combo, we; 6-cps-enjoyers exist 💀💀💀
Edit: this might sound like im contradicting your point, no no no, im just saying that it's getting pay to win BECAUSE they depend on their mouses WHICH they don't need, that gives them an unfair advantage
Lmao same bro
you know double clicking in minecraft its like rapid trigger in osu!
you click yourself anyway so there is no problem
True
Smash bros melee mod their controllers and even have custom ones built. And some super mario kart players too. There are tons of cheap mice than can double and drag click and if you cant get them thats just how it is. You cant make everyone happy. These clicking methods allow for a higher skill ceiling so minecraft doesnt get stale as quickly. Back in 2017 only german players like Mueslikuchen or Teddynator were able to do certain bridging methods. People played bedwars without reducing (back then bedwars was like mlg rush, now the bedwars with a kb stick is called german bedwars) which required a lot of skill and technique, yes. But reducing is a whole new skill thats much more thorough than you might think. A lot of people in the pot community complain about double click mice being to expensive while using a g pro x supeprlight... and hits on hypixek register much worse with high cps. Hits in general do. I get your points but imo double clicking is definitely acceptable.
Blatant optifine fastmath bruh
i drag click 30 cps on non office mouse better build quality mouse than model o that costs 20 bucks and i got it used for 15 bucks
when u comin back
Great solution says me without double clicking mouse
Bro you butterfly clicked in the last pls no hate on butterfly clickers 🥺
your first counter point made 0 sense. as in, you agree they are an unfair advantage, but then say people shouldnt be restricted on those, but they should for cheat clients, as that is more easy to enforce. This doesn't make sense because therefore any advantage that you get is therefore an unfair advantage. this is because being more skilled means you have more talent, or have more hours. if you have more hours than me bc i cant play as much thats therefore unfair as i cant control that? and if you are more talented, that cant be controlled, so makes it unfair also by your logic. I think the key difference between an advantage from your mouse and skill as to a client is they dont detract from a players enjoyment, and are accepted, as an unfair advantage is ultimately what the community deems unfair
I understand that double clicking can break mice faster, but wouldn't scroll clicking cause issues with breaking scroll wheels? Although I guess scroll wheels are more easily replaceable than switches. Anyways I don't quite agree with your opinion and think it has issues, but I still respect you for trying to propose a solution and think about the issue. Also I'm writing this at 1 am so sorry if my grammar sucks.
CSGO players aren't complaning about their scroll wheels breaking even though they have bound their jump to their scroll wheels
@@Spouth I hadn't really thought of that. Guess you're right.
PLEASE COME BACK !!!!
One word to say to the title : N o.
with this glitch i got this much cps im not lying i have proof but it will not let me send 1328 cps
you did not quit right? :(
you had the best editing why did you stop posting :*(
this man hits harder then will smith (Really Orignial)
What’s better model o or model d and what’s better wireless or normal
Wireless is better
@@Spouth ok model o or d
Omg youre in Lobby 7
Idw jitter click and get arthritis XD, so yea.. ima still butterfly.
God I miss his vids
Spouth I partially agree with you because I can see why scroll clicking could be a good idea BUT eventually someone is going to find a way to abuse scroll clicking which will make it worse than double clicking, butterfly clicking, and drag clicking
Don't really agree with you. Can you give me an example?
@@Spouth Ok so you know ow you were talking bout how scroll clicking gives you better cps than an autoclicker. And you were talking about how if servers allowed scroll clicking. That means that they could autoclick, scroll click and the server wouldnt notice which is which bc scroll clicking would be allowed.
@@Fw.Flicks why would you autoclick if scroll clicking is better
@@yeatsu3696 Some people would continue to autoclick and scroll click which would get them more cps and would they not be banned if scroll clicking was allowed on servers,wouldnt
the anti cheat wouldnt be able to distinguish auto clicker from scroll clicking because scroll clicking anyways gets you like 40 cps and auto clicking is worse than scroll clicking so it would think thee autoclicker combined with the scroll clicking is just scroll clicking with extra cps.
Better is people start using autoclciker well its like a hack but even in autoclicker people still have to aim
I get 30 cps with g pro superlight (A mouse that can't double click)
you probably broke it
get a logitech g502 and you have 500cps with scroll click so i think its the same thing with double cliking and some mouses have better scroll wheels. i have the a70 and kone pro and i can tell the scroll wheel on the a70 is way better. and i dont think spouth,s reason was bad this is just my opinion.
what uis your txt?
(texture pack)
but a bloody a60 is kinda a budged mouse so its not pay to win, is it?
Your paying for it tho and pay to win literally means to "pay" to win
i have alot of better ways to abuse my Mouse without double clicks fx flying bawl clicking 😮
0:09 Address
thanks
@@Spouth tf u doin in the comments upload a vid
i cant fucking tell if this guy is joking
They two year old kids at just gonna by the g502 (which I have) and just get infinite cps. Also some scroll wheels are terrible like my model o wireless one it’s kinda bad. But great vid ❤❤
I think the best sulotion would be that all mice softwares gets an adjustable debounce timer
That isn't a good solution, because as I mentioned, drag clicking breaks mice very fast
@@Spouth Yeah that's true
Really old vid, but I just think the argument that double clicking is fair is silly since you can apply the same logic to someone plugging in one of those aimbot dongles into their xbox controller and then playing a shooter with it. A piece of software that turns your mouse clicks into double clicks is cheating even though it's free and readily available for ANYONE to use no matter what mouse they have, but having a mouse that can do the same thing is okay cause you paid for it? Other people shouldn't be at a disadvantage cause of someone else's busted mouse... (the skill argument doesn't really work cause double clicking on a mouse really isn't hard... I'd argue it takes more skill to run an app like I mentioned above without getting a virus and nuking your windows installation). Either way the minecraft 1.8 pvp community is dying out and rightfully so. Sad to see but in a lot of ways they did it to themselves.