I think you were being too fussy but I understand why. You buy cars with the ultimate intention of driving the car as your own for a period while having one eye on selling the car as stock. Porsche advertised the car at a keen price and offered to fund remedial work to satisfy you. You on the other hand have chosen to publicly blacklist the car and make it difficult for Porsche to sell it. They will not forget. Good luck with your search.
Being fussy about an £87k used car I don’t think is worth unreasonable. But this isn’t being fussy - being fussy is worrying about the scratches on both sill cover just beneath where you can see without looking, or the hard use it’s had that you can never delete from RUclips. Who’s made this car hard to sell? Me or Porsche for painting it 2 different colours and lending it out for hard use as a promotional vehicle for the brand?
That’s not fussy whatsoever and putting facts on the table is not black listing a car - unless it had an absolutely shocking paint job! Once he found out they offered a discount, ie tried to rip him off before! What world are you living in.
Morning Andrew. I've had a friend look at the PPN report and you are right, it shows a new clutch being done at 3800 miles, 2 new windscreens, 2 new front lips, 2 rear diffusers, seat bolster repair, alloy wheel repair to name a few. It was used at Goodwood, by TopGear and numerous reviewers plus it was used by Emma Raducanu for a spell. No notes on a full front respray but, as you say, the tell tales are obvious enough to be 99% certain. I think maybe a bullet well dodged. I would have also insisted an over rev report especially on a manual car. Lots of nice GT4s out there and I would most definitely stick with the Porsche approved network. It's a shame that the Reading demos get a hard life but I suppose that's what they're there for.
Morning Dan, thanks for the valuable intel. With regards to over revs and front end respray, the pre-sale prep report from Reading stated no over revs which I was surprised about as in this Top Gear video it's bouncing off the rev limiter ruclips.net/video/7Si8DaRQ7io/видео.htmlsi=Kg5kAUY5C97rV_wz&t=637. I know this isn't a damaging over rev considering money shift potential with a manual, but it's all you can do with a PDK and it still gets recorded. The prep report also stated front end paintwork but as you say you don't need a report to confirm that. I'm still looking but I'm less convinced now by the extra £6k-£10k Porsche Centres charge, after all the warranty can be purchased separately and a good low miler won't need any refurb.
Quite a shocking repair list for something which has done such ultra low miles. I'd agree and stay well away from it. Yes it's a lot of money and someone who can afford that can afford the repairs however better to be advised beforehand and not lose money on something you know that could lose you money
@@squickerdepends on the vehicle, the age and the dealer. The amount of times i've caught a dealer in a lie is crazy over the years. Top tip is to say you've spoken to the previous owner via forums. They usually stop lying at that point.
I used to be a car sprayer and light metallic colours are the hardest to match ! That Porsche is so far out it’s unbelievable ! So many variables in matching colours ! There can be more than one shade ! The paint can be produced by different company companies ! Spraying pressure can affect the Color Clear lacquer can also have yellow tint to it ! Henry Ford was right you can have any Color you want as long as it is black !
There is a way round the colour issue… obviously the doors will need doing and the way I do it is too paint half the door and use blending/fade out thinner over the lacquer edge and then polish the edge back…. A bit of meticulous prep and it works all the time.
In a previous live I worked in a prestige bodyshop that did Porsche cars for local dealer and every second hand car that was to be sold retail had front ends repainted no matter the value of the car.
and as a detailer id spot that instantly - be another car id walk away from, just feel sorry for the people that dont know what to look for that end up with paint that is from from perfect
Every time I deal with West London I am reminded why I have stayed with Swindon for 15 years…. Not all OPCs are the same and in recent years the pressure to sell seems to have changed their sales practices. Avoid all the London OPCs and avoid anyone who uses pressure sales to sell a Porsche. I agreed to buy a GT3 from Chester last year who then sold it from under me and didn’t tell me…. Don’t be put off using an OPC, but demand good service. If you don’t get it, walk away.
Why would anyone deal with a used car seller that lies and cheats. This probably applies to every brand. You need to understand that Porsche is no better than Dacia in terms of what they do to shift metal. There is too much snobbery at Porsche - do ask the salesman if being employed by the Volkswagen Group was his dream at school.
I bought a 1 owner 24k mile 987 Cayman 3.4S but before purchase went over the car with a fine toothcomb. The paintwork was absolutely flawless in every way. This was a £19k 13 year old car. To spend £87k on a car youred expect it to be perfect or as near as. Every used car will have signs of use and maybe some paintwork done but in this case whoever painted this car needs an eyetest. Frozen Berry is a very rare colour and made in small batches. The colour would have had to be specially matched by a spectrometer which any good paint factor could have done. This car needs the whole front end repainting or even possibly the whole car. Unbeliveable that a OPC thought it an acceptable job. Ive been selling cars for 22 years and wouldnt have a Astra for £5k on the forecout with a paint mismatch like this let alone a car 20times the price! Seeing the car on a track and thrashed to within an inch of its life, needing a new clutch at 8k miles would also be a no no for me. This car has rightly now been marked as a nail and likely will be extremely hard to sell. Id put its value at no more than £50K as its an auction car in reality. You really dodged a bullet with this car.👍😮
Andrew I am 3/4 way through and just hit pause to comment. You dodged a huge bullet. This car has been brutalised by quite a few you tubers and testers. You deserve better than this you really do. Even at a discount this car is serious money. Although I can see you are gutted, feel fortunate your gut was stronger than your heart. Also the colour is marmite, but that is neither here nor there, as this is your dream car not ours ;-). Right going to click on play again now, see how this plays out. Again great content. :-)
It is a material fact(ex press car), they must disclose as it would influence a buyer - It is true this is NEVER disclosed in the advert notes - The last one I saw was A911FWD 992 4 GTS, that sold pretty quickly at West London. Remember, their sales are pushed on numbers sold per month.
Interesting. If I had a desire for an unusual colour I'd probably buy the car in a popular colour and have it wrapped. That way the wrap can be removed at sale time, the paintwork will have been protected and the ROI hopefully maintained.
Many BMWs are registered with the number plates starting with Y. This is because of the BMW Import Centre based just outside of Doncaster. Doesn’t always mean that it’s been trashed on track or has been part of the press fleet but may have been an ex-demo or have been a company car.
Several years ago I bought a bmw 2 series coupe that has the Y number plate and found out that was a bmw car but didn’t put me off and bought it. Year later when I got it serviced the dealer asked if I’d been driving it really hard which I hadn’t! All then made sense so I quickly sold it after that
Pretty much every Y BMW and MINI will be ex-BMW fleet, both my and my neighbour’s MINIs are. As I mentioned in another comment, there are usually clues on the build sheet of those to anything out of the ordinary - I forget the numbers off the top of my head,however there is one for “management” cars, which are normally those either used by HO or in the case of new models used to demonstrate them to the dealers prior to the launch, or press cars, which have their own code (S900 or something in that region) to identify them.
I registered cars from Mercedes are as likely to be ex Lease as they are the Press Fleet or exHire Cars as all cars registered to MBFS have a “K” The way to tell is check the PDi certificate inside the service book as it will have the first keeper details even if the car was registered to MBFS Cars from BMW with the Y could indeed be Press Fleet or Hire Cars but they could also be ex BMW UK Management cars
Interesting review Andrew. Have always thought that odd colours would be difficult to match and blend in. I would guess all matt or non gloss finishes would be next to impossible. Am surprised they're not auctioning this one.....
Brilliant episode. You have great knowledge and eye to see all these negatives and you did the right thing especially for that sort of money. In reality sadly it’s hard to trust everyone and it’s good practice to check and double check. Trust needs to be earned in my opinion. Good luck with the search Vdub Looking forward to the next episode
I think you've missed something important here. The car is retailing over 10k less than equivalent cars. The car needs a respray which would cost around 8k at a Porsche approved centre. If you don't mind it's been a press car then I'd buy the car, get the respray and fix the niggles under warranty. You're not going to find a car over 10k below retail without caveats. Its 10k under for a reason.
As before Andrew, bitter sweet…sorry to learn about these issues but pleased you’re staying (or at least trying to) with Porsche. The dealership, who clearly didn’t know they were attempting to bowl a pork chop past a wolf have fallen well short of customer expectations, I trust a review will take place. In the meantime good luck with the ongoing search and I hope this hasn’t put you off such a fantastic car.
Hmmm 50 thousand subscribers and many more viewers a significant proportion of who will be prospective Porsche customers now know Porsche GB are as trustworthy a seller as some bloke selling cars from his drive. Maybe even less depending on the bloke in question!
Great work calling this out. You need to be meticulous when dropping this sort of money and it is disappointing that all this wasn't made clear up front, I absolutely get it. To then re-list the car and not attend to or describe the issues, this dealership absolutely NEEDS to be called out and I genuinely hope they don't forget this and improve their processes. Sadly this sort of thing is all too common.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience, shame it didn't work out but it's certainly eye opening! In the light of day there's a clear difference! Crazy that they didn't use PPF on the front end so once it comes back from press it could be removed/replaced
Literally cannot tell the difference. It all looks like the same colour to me. Maybe I'm slightly colour blind or something? Everyone loves the colour of my own car but me! Had it wrapped but it didn't come out the way I wanted.
I'd never knowingly buy a press demonstrator, same as I'd never knowingly buy a tuned turbo engined car. Regarding the paint, I can imagine it would be a bloody nightmare trying to match that colour. I remember going to look at a Pearlescent white Audi S2 back in the day, and the touch-ups to the paint stood out like a sore thumb. It wasn't just white with mica in it, it had a few tones going on. So god knows how hard it is to match the colour of the porker [not that I like it I'm afraid, the colour that is]
Probably was the cylinder deactivation kicking in - it produces a sudden drone accompanied sometimes with a vibration through the chassis... All rectified by turning it off by turning by pressing the stop/start button before or during your drive just the once.
I have seen this colour on many many Porsche, they all look exactly like as shown here... Tycan etc etc... its the way the paint interacts with the light... at certain angles it appears blended but on others it appears slightly different depending upon the curvature of the two surfaces your looking at.... go do a google search and you will see I am right!... Storm in a tea cup!
Thanks for the offer. I’ve seen that car, seen them all :) Seriously considered it as local to me but it’s missing something like dual climate..? Have bought a 2021 with just about the right spec and 1 Porsche Club owner 1200 miles
This was a really interesting video Andrew, and sadly a common occurrence thanks to people moving to buy online! You just don’t spot these errors in the pictures or wrong lighting!
Andrew, I went to purchase 2 911’s from my local OPC. One very base 911 and also a Targa 4S. I was ok if I had to order new or if there was anything second hand suitable. Bearing in mind how much money I was prepared to part with I was a little surprised when I heard absolutely nothing after the test drives. In fact they just closed my enquiry file with no action. I was then contacted 3 or 4 months later asking me if a new salesperson can help as the other person had left and yes they’d done absolutely zero with my ask. You can work out the numbers £ they ignored. Suffice to say I gave them a piece of my mind. Yes I am already a 911 owner but still it’s a shocking experience
No way on this earth would i buy an ex demo/press car, it would have been hammered and abused, no amount of health checks will alter the internal wear and tear.
I had a very similar experience with Porsche Edinburgh last week, albeit on a Cayman S. Similar to you the price and spec caught my eye, looking at the spec I did think track car but not Porsche GB owned. I was firstly told by the sales manager that "it had never been near a track", following getting the figures I was happy with I asked for this in writing as like yourself I had to travel some distance to see the car. I was then told the first owner was Porsche GB and it had been a press car, and used at the Silverstone Porsche experience centre. Needless to say I was not happy and I walked away from the car, I actually noticed today it has now been sold. I wonder if they have been honest with the person who did buy it. So I would 100% agree with you, even dealing with a Porsche approved dealer you can't believe what you are being told.
GT4 in that colour its not for everyone...still coming off price wise id say. Theres bucket seated cars with PCCBS for 78k, I would have a GT3 - GT4 just isnt a GT3.....even an older 991.1 GT3. Much better car.
I bought a GT3RS, and found out a week later I had an ex press car (RX04PPK). I was never told this at the time of sale. The clutch went a few weeks later. Porsche GB fixed it for free, but the car never felt right so I part x’ed it for a new M5.
Great learning story! Sometimes the official dealers are the ones to watch for! They knew about the history and chose to not be transparent. Been following your GTS journey.
I’d rather buy a recovered stolen from the south side of Chicago than a Press car…. You KNOW a Press car has been beat and abused. And they loan them out to fools that just don’t give a shit what they do to them !!
Interestingly, my worst buying experience or after sales experience was a Porsche OPC when I bought my 718 GT4. A friend has also just had a similar experience at another OPC too. So yes, dont less the dazzle baffle you and assume from a main dealer it will be perfect. Also dont expect you will have the back up you expect after buying, as its not the car, they seem to be of the mindset, they are big fish, your custom does not matter. GLWYS
exactly the same for me. bought a few new BMW's and I've been very satisfied, I'm not an difficult person but my worst new car buying experience was with an OPC for my 718 gt4 which at the time was the most expensive car i had purchased. the collection day and the service was all a bit underwhelming.
I will never give any Porsche OPC my business, be it buying a car or servicing one. They have always left me either underwhelmed, disappointed, or angry.
i agree that the attitude is elitist. i looked at a new 911 4 several years ago but the attitude of the salespeople was take it or leave it. i left it. still have my boxster which has been trouble free and a lot of fun.
I thought a Porsche main dealer would be a 1st class experience from customer service to quality of vehicle.....no different it seems from ever other dealer really, if the punter doesn't notice it, we won't dislose it ! I would however have dropped my guard as well with such a prestigious brand ! Lesson well learned, trust no-one!! Thanks for sharing your experience, what next ?
Depends on the dealer. Spoke to a clown at porsche sutton coldfield bragging about how many cars he sells.. then he told me he used to work for vauxhall... Total clown knew nothing about porsche either.
Someone will buy it as a gift for their wife and they wont notice the paint or care about the history. It wasn't the right car for you but it will be for someone who 'likes the colour'. Used cars are used cars. They aren't going to repaint it or resolve any issues. They just want it sold. Useful to know that even porsche don't care about their own strict quality criteria for approved used cars. A used and abused car is a used car at any price.
I had my fair share with Porsche dealers mate, first and last experience with the brand for me which is a shame… they are highly overrated however none of them live up to the standards we expect from such brand! Hope you find the right one soon mate 👍
Good general advice. The standard of paint work that Porsche had done on that car was shocking. I work in the automotive repair industry and have worked at Mercedes, VAG and Porsche dealerships. I do not think that work was carried out by an approved repairer. Oh and nice Dovi t shirt.
Definitely not too fussy! And they definitely hid it in the parking garage with knowledge! Even if it was the body shop guys... as a body shop guy we watch for these tricks collecting cars from other places. Often times shaded spots and shadows and tree cover etc. Not to mention rain. I would’ve walked away too!
Andrew, very good advice, no matter who you are buying the car from you must do due diligence. Also, very disappointment with Porsche GB, that’s the paint match and sales approach you would expect from Fly-by-night Cars Ltd (sorry if that’s a real name of a car company!)
I would have walked away at the color difference ! You would think that a dealership selling high end vehicles would not be as unscrupulous as the Porsche dealer you were involved with. I guess we just can’t trust any of them ! Sad….. thanks for sharing your experience. RickGTI….. 🌴
To be honest walked through porsche Perth forecourt recently and standard of cars looked more co-part than high end main dealer. 3 cars had panel gaps so far off not sure how bonnet even operated on one. Paint work on others iffy even other half noticed one that looked like it had been cleaned with a Brillo pad. No correction done or would most detailers thank you for giving them such a challenge. Think to my 17 year old boxster was straighter than some on the forecourt. Kinda shocking for a main dealer. So share your concerns of Porsche standards. Sad to say the least
Honestly baffled at this. Anyone saying you're being "too fussy", is insane. You buy a Porsche for their notoriuous attention to detail, perfection, heratige and driving feel. I'm shocked a Porsche dealer went about it as they did and it being such a reputable one at that! The whacky colours are always better too, in my opinion. I'd rather something unique (he says with a white Golf...) and have it stand out so I feel like I've got something unique. As well, you buy a car for you to enjoy, so I say all power to you for the colour. It's cool af! I had a similar experience when I was buying my first Edition 40. I wasn't as patient or as trained as you with seeing the signs of problems, but thankfully I was able to get out of it and my money back to buy a proper one. The excitement got the better of me. Hopefully you can find the right car for you and forfill the Porsche dream. As sad as it is, this was the best case and you're not having to deal with fixing things to make this car perfect, which is what it should be as it's a Porsche. But, in saying that, this goes for any car. No car should but missold to anyone because cars aren't cheap. But high end, premium cars really shouldn't!
Very well observed, how many would spot the paint difference, indoor, outdoor, bright sunshine, overcast weather,all can alter the appearance of the paint,
Thanks Martin but I’d say in this case it wouldn’t take an expert. Sure a buyer may not be looking for it but when you do see it it’s very obvious. And if the buyer doesn’t spot in then the chances are a neighbour or a friend will. Metallica should never be painted edge to edge, they should be blended but even thus wouldn’t help as it’s not even close to being the correct colour
Being an ex press car absolutely should put you off. You'd be utterly incensed if you witnessed anyone treating your own car as press cars get treated. Moreover, unless Porsche swapped out the engine and gearbox, the checks and maintenance are irrelevant. How are they going to check for premature engine wear due to being ragged from cold by an idiot? They're not. Like I said, unless it's got a fresh engine and gearbox, then it's got an engine and gearbox that has been mistreated by a load of talentless idiots (not all the 'media' are like that, but plenty are). There are loads of other components that will be more knackered than usual and won't have been changed out and will be more likely to give problems in future. Anyone who has seen how press cars are treated would not buy one. And if you're surprised it went straight back up for sale, afraid you are rather naive. Standards at OPCs are not particularly high. Someone will happily buy that car and only realise their mistake when they come to sell it. The dealer knows all of this and couldn't give the slightest shit.
A couple of years ago I was after a Macan (new) and the sales person at Porsche seemed disinterested to say the least. My assumption was if I bowled in after a 911 or a more expensive “option” driven car….cutting a long story short, got a SQ5 with excellent service from the Stratford Upon Avon Audi dealership. Perhaps they have a view of “treat them mean keep people keen” at Towcester / Silverstone Porsche.
Excellent video!! I am considering purchasing my next car from a approved porsche network but having watched your video I don't think so. Purchased a couple of years ago a cayman 987 from a specialist called rpm in knaresborough North Yorkshire. Great car excellent service will definitely go down that route again!! By the way sent an email to porsche to see if the paintwork has been rectified, no doubt I'll get no response! Cheers volkswizard
You can always have some frozen berries for your pudding to make up for this! On a serious note, I work next to a Porsche dealer and look at their stock most days. Do you think it would be possible to buy a used cayman, keep it for a year and sell it on without losing too much money?
I don't think I can look at frozen berries ever again! If you buy from Porsche as an approved used car you get 2 years warranty, so after 1 year you can pass the balance on to next owner if you sell privately. But you'll still never get back anything like what you paid because Porsche main dealers charge a good chunk more than everyone else for that peace of mind. Only way to beat the system is buy privately at well below dealer retail and be lucky without a warranty. Or car prices go up which is a rare phenomenon and we are unlikely to see a repeat of what we had in 2021/2022 for a long time. Porsches sub £50k generally hold their price well though
Being VAT Qualifying, it’s going to end up in the UAE, Pakistan or Malaysia one would have to think. Sporty Vat Q stuff under 5yrs old seems to go that way from my limited experience. Porsche must have written it down on their books to not a lot, and it’s earned its money in promotional payback surely? Trying to wring a retail sale out of it when, like you say it seems to dip below their retail standards seems at odds with the product, quality image they strive for. I’m sure they have their reasons. I agree that walking away was the right move, even though you were already visualising the ownership and first road trip. Maybe they’ll call you on Monday and offer it to you for £50k??? 🤔. It happens to us all when you love cars, especially quirky ones. Onwards and upwards…
thank you for the great content! I have a press car, one of the first boxster press cars so just a bit of fun but one thing, it's nice to have the magazine pictures of it now. It may have had a hard life but it gives something as well. I would assume they knew that the car was mismatched and that's why they took the offer and why they displayed the car in poor light. Disappointing.
Good luck for Your ongoing search! A Porsche 718 Cayman GT 4 with a manual transmission is also one of my personal favourites! I would even prefer it to a GT 4 RS because it is only available with an automatic transmission. Best regards from Austria!
sometimes life is so hard ! the crushing blows that fate deals us, and having the wrong coloured Porsche is at the top ! I'm not sure i could not cope, please don't give up on life, things will get better and don't forget time heals, may god be with you
I'd never buy an ex press car as due to abuse some of the people who are lent it have no respect. I made this mistake with a bike, it was an absolute dog regardless of the saving I made!
A clutch after 4000 miles! Remember the rest of the drive train had this abuse, that is an average of 80,000 miles abuse (You would expect a clutch to last that far with a careful driver) in a short time. Whoever had it really gave it some. I wouldn't have considered it at all.
2 things meant I was OK with press use a) it's a GT car so should be tough b) apparently they go through a comprehensive refurb process. What I later discovered (and the fact the paint was crap was lucky because I had a good excuse to walk) was that yes the GT cars are tough but they are designed for track use and racing, not drifting with loads of smoke coming off tyres and not repeated launches to measure 0-62 times. Racing car drivers are smooth as it's faster and easier on the hardware. With regards to refurb, yes they spent a good chunk on it cosmetically but it's the bits you can't see that are excessively worn as you say and while there is a warrantyt you can bet they will fail out of warranty or be deemed wear and tear items. Never again
You'll find the right car. The time of year and generally softening market are in your favour. Being an informed & patient buyer will work out. Patience isn't ever easy though. Best of luck.
Thats good advice for an ex-press fleet car, but what potential buyers wont be able to ascertain is if a car has been thrashed at the Porsche Experience Centre where it has had a hard life 100% of its life with them (unlike a press car which has had a hard life for a lower % of its ife) Its a shame you can no longer see who the previous owner is on the V5 !
Porsche sales, thick as mince. Like the government, Never underestimate what they think of you, I am exactly like you and have had a few close shaves, Good video well done you.
You need to speak to Damian from The Car Guys you tube channel. His Porsche dealings and that of other owners will make interesting information for you. As you said. Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. Cheers Andrew. Good hunting.
The bonnet may have been replaced due to stone chips or ripple dents from cameras suction mounts. The pictures that Porsche have uploaded must have been altered or be even from a different car as no mis-match can be seen. This sort of thing should not be found in a Porsche GB main dealer. That poor GT4 was part of the Porsche Experience Track Day Fleet as well so it no wonder why the clutch needed to be replaced after 4000 miles. I hope you can find another GT3 soon.
Indeed, it would've..... and honestly, and I know this is on my 4K Samsung TV, so potentially it's not relaying through, but I really couldn't see a difference in paint shade or metallic or anything on the Frozen Berry.... I just couldn't see it. 🤷♂️🧐 Personally, depending on the reduction in sales price offered due to this alleged paint miss match I can't notice, I would've brought it.... after they fixed that throw out bearing he clearly heard screaming 😅
@porsche sort your dealers out. This car is still for sale and doesnt meet criteria for your warranty. Yet dealer still trying to flog it. Better off bringing it back to your ownership and taking it off the road
Great video. I remember years ago something similar with the og blue 2014 f80 m3 press car that was on top gear spending ages on the classifieds. After digging around on the forums apparently that car was a 🍋
You did right by getting your deposit back, you would always be looking at the colour difference. Just goes to show that you can't really trust ANY dealer. Years ago I bought an Audi A4 convertible from an Audi dealership, fair enough it's nothing like the price bracket of your car but it was still a lot of my hard earned money. Anyway, I did all the relevant checks and checked all the paperwork and asked the obvious question has it ever been involved in any accident/bumps etc. The salesmen said no, we're not a back street dealer, and he looked a little offended. The sale went through after a week or 2 and I was proud as punch driving my first Audi home. The first thing I did at the weekend was give it a good valeting inside (tbh it didn't really need it), imagine my surprise and horror when I opened the glove compartment and found photos and garage paperwork of the damage and repair to my vehicle that had supposedly not been in an accident ! I was so sick and gutted that I didn't even want to tell my wife because I felt such a fool. It was the same Audi dealerships' bodywork department that had done the work and it had the main bodyworks' foreman's phone number on it. I rang him and asked him what was the accident etc., it turns out it had been a vehicle that the dealer gives a customer when their car is in for service etc and the accident had actually happened on a winters morning in the dealers car park! Now, I had my suspicions that this foreman maybe had had a 'beef' with the salesman for something or other and had deliberately left this information in the glove compartment so it could be found as they didn't like the way things were being sold. I say this because he seemed to want to give me all the info no problem. Anyway, I rang the salesman and rejected the car (even though everything had been repaired) because I didn't like being blatantly lied to, maybe this was a mistake I will never know but we have principles, right? Oh, when I mentioned about the photos/paperwork to the salesman that I found in the glove compartment he tried to turn it on it's head and said something like " Yeah we left them there so it shows we have nothing to hide "................what a banker with a w !
We recently went to look at a 911 at a main Porsche dealer. The car had just come back from being prepared to Porsche's high standards. Clearly this didn't extend to the seat belt cover which was hanging from the seatbelt and layed on the rear seat. The embarrased salesman brushed this off and clipped it back in place before the test drive. Needless to say, that particular Beetle is still for sale.
Interesting video wow I wouldn't expect this from Porsche . I have a 2019 Audi S3 that I have owned from new unfortunately somebody as opened there door in a car park and chipped the paint on the sway line the chip is very small but as gone through to the metal I have ordered a Ara blue colour match paint stick from my local Audi dealership but my concern is it not looking perfect and have thought about having the door painted even tho the damage is tiny but after watching your video it as give me second thoughts as it might not match . What do you think ?
I don’t trust Solicitors, Estate Agents, Home Report Surveyors and not lastly (there are more) Car Traders. Sadly we need to use them at sometime. At what price would you say “yeah that paint mismatch is ok or the scuffed wheels are ok too? Personally I took weeks or trawling through car add’s before buying my MB E Class estate (1 owner and a full MB service history) Now my car came with a comprehensive warranty (AA) and needed 3 visits to my mechanics shop, in the first 3 months of ownership. Total cost to put things right £2000. (At no cost to me) Do I like my new purchase, yes. Would I buy an used car without a warranty, no. I’ve covered 10,000 miles in 10 months of ownership of my E Class and I’m totally happy with it, although having to put things right in the short time of owning it was a bit frustrating. I keep my cars for over 5 years, while also keeping pace with their servicing history. PS My Beagle (Paul) loves the air suspension too!
They’re not selling it as a pristine example. It’s a press car and yes it’s on the internet to see, I’d been interested to see how much they would sell it for at a discount. A usable GT4 to drive and enjoy. I think by putting this video up you made it rather difficult now as you have quite clearly black balled Porsche over that car. If it was me and could get a hefty discount on the car and get a good warranty on it then yes a bargain for sure.
the problem is none of this was readily disclosed. a less astute driver would not have noticed any of this and the cheque would have been cashed, without recourse. and as for the paint and other repairs, this influences the resale of the car. disgraceful that porsche would have put this up for sale without proper attention to detail and disclosure.
@@boxsterbenz4059 I agree it might affect resale though if I was an Ed Bolean in the case of a high end car that wouldn’t put me off just an eye for a cheap GT4 to drive the wheels off. It is a shady practice none the less but if you know you know. Nobody should be buying a car without any checks or due diligence whatsoever. Plus at that 40-80k range cars of prominent marquis like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc aren’t going to be immaculate especially if it’s retail was over 100k+ new so expect it’s going to need money putting into it. For example a GT4 retails at around £102k but you are looking at a 77k one it’s right at the lowest price point for a GT4. Look at the market let’s be real if it was £90k and it was mismatched paint and a dodgy gearbox I’d complain, nobody here is looking at this subjectively and with a pinch of salt. The buyer got hurt it wasn’t a bargain and if it was 77k and a perfect car it would be long sold by weeks end of being on sale. I’d have shrewdly negotiated a really lowball offer sorted the clutch and lived with the paintwork for a while until I could sort it or wrap it.
Thank you for posting Andrew, wow just shows how careful one needs to be, glad you dodged that one. Just shows how difficult modern paints can be to match. Rgds A. P.
As soon as I discovered it was a Porsche UK Press car I would be walking away. With respect to your channel, you only have to look at the way other RUclipsrs & the main stream motoring journalists drive Press Cars/Demonstrators to know you wouldn't want to own one afterwards no matter how good the manufacturers or dealer warranty is. As for Porsche dealers, at the end of the day, like all car dealers they are in the business of selling as many cars as they can & meeting sales targets. The fact they had the car in poor light & not in a position to have it test driven that day was no doubt deliberate. You went into this with your experience & "Dealers Hat On". An ordinary buyer would be less aware & lulled into a false sense of security by the glossy showroom & OPC "Approved Pre-Owned" marketing.
I purchased the Lava Orange 718 Boxster press car and was very happy with it until it came time to trade it in and I was told by Porsche Kendal that it had a bad respray to the rear end and the wheels were badly painted. Now in the 2 years I owned the car, there had been no accidents and the car had come direct from Porsche GB and was sold through Porsche Exeter. Shows that even Porsche try and sell a dodgy car
I think you were being too fussy but I understand why. You buy cars with the ultimate intention of driving the car as your own for a period while having one eye on selling the car as stock. Porsche advertised the car at a keen price and offered to fund remedial work to satisfy you. You on the other hand have chosen to publicly blacklist the car and make it difficult for Porsche to sell it. They will not forget. Good luck with your search.
Being fussy about an £87k used car I don’t think is worth unreasonable. But this isn’t being fussy - being fussy is worrying about the scratches on both sill cover just beneath where you can see without looking, or the hard use it’s had that you can never delete from RUclips. Who’s made this car hard to sell? Me or Porsche for painting it 2 different colours and lending it out for hard use as a promotional vehicle for the brand?
They are Porsche, they are over it, also I don’t think this is being fussy, spending the best part of 90k on a car, I would expect the paint to match!
Dont worry, Katie Price will buy it
That’s not fussy whatsoever and putting facts on the table is not black listing a car - unless it had an absolutely shocking paint job! Once he found out they offered a discount, ie tried to rip him off before! What world are you living in.
When it comes to spending your hard earned there is no too fussy !
Morning Andrew. I've had a friend look at the PPN report and you are right, it shows a new clutch being done at 3800 miles, 2 new windscreens, 2 new front lips, 2 rear diffusers, seat bolster repair, alloy wheel repair to name a few. It was used at Goodwood, by TopGear and numerous reviewers plus it was used by Emma Raducanu for a spell. No notes on a full front respray but, as you say, the tell tales are obvious enough to be 99% certain. I think maybe a bullet well dodged. I would have also insisted an over rev report especially on a manual car. Lots of nice GT4s out there and I would most definitely stick with the Porsche approved network. It's a shame that the Reading demos get a hard life but I suppose that's what they're there for.
Great point on the over rev report.
Morning Dan, thanks for the valuable intel. With regards to over revs and front end respray, the pre-sale prep report from Reading stated no over revs which I was surprised about as in this Top Gear video it's bouncing off the rev limiter ruclips.net/video/7Si8DaRQ7io/видео.htmlsi=Kg5kAUY5C97rV_wz&t=637. I know this isn't a damaging over rev considering money shift potential with a manual, but it's all you can do with a PDK and it still gets recorded. The prep report also stated front end paintwork but as you say you don't need a report to confirm that. I'm still looking but I'm less convinced now by the extra £6k-£10k Porsche Centres charge, after all the warranty can be purchased separately and a good low miler won't need any refurb.
Quite a shocking repair list for something which has done such ultra low miles. I'd agree and stay well away from it. Yes it's a lot of money and someone who can afford that can afford the repairs however better to be advised beforehand and not lose money on something you know that could lose you money
I guarantee it would be showing double digit launches
@@squickerdepends on the vehicle, the age and the dealer. The amount of times i've caught a dealer in a lie is crazy over the years. Top tip is to say you've spoken to the previous owner via forums. They usually stop lying at that point.
I used to be a car sprayer and light metallic colours are the hardest to match !
That Porsche is so far out it’s unbelievable !
So many variables in matching colours !
There can be more than one shade !
The paint can be produced by different company companies !
Spraying pressure can affect the Color
Clear lacquer can also have yellow tint to it !
Henry Ford was right you can have any Color you want as long as it is black !
They'll just wait for the next mug to come along instead of rectifying anything...
You mean the first mug?
Exactly...the first mug. Not the next.
Porsche are well known for assuming their customers are mugs.
Yep thats what dealers do
There is a way round the colour issue… obviously the doors will need doing and the way I do it is too paint half the door and use blending/fade out thinner over the lacquer edge and then polish the edge back…. A bit of meticulous prep and it works all the time.
In a previous live I worked in a prestige bodyshop that did Porsche cars for local dealer and every second hand car that was to be sold retail had front ends repainted no matter the value of the car.
and as a detailer id spot that instantly - be another car id walk away from, just feel sorry for the people that dont know what to look for that end up with paint that is from from perfect
From a practical point of view and ease of colour matching (excluding B&W) what would be a good choice?
Every time I deal with West London I am reminded why I have stayed with Swindon for 15 years…. Not all OPCs are the same and in recent years the pressure to sell seems to have changed their sales practices. Avoid all the London OPCs and avoid anyone who uses pressure sales to sell a Porsche. I agreed to buy a GT3 from Chester last year who then sold it from under me and didn’t tell me…. Don’t be put off using an OPC, but demand good service. If you don’t get it, walk away.
Why would anyone deal with a used car seller that lies and cheats. This probably applies to every brand. You need to understand that Porsche is no better than Dacia in terms of what they do to shift metal. There is too much snobbery at Porsche - do ask the salesman if being employed by the Volkswagen Group was his dream at school.
Very interesting, particularly because my Cayman S 987.1 was originally a demonstrator car at Porsche West London!
I bought a 1 owner 24k mile 987 Cayman 3.4S but before purchase went over the car with a fine toothcomb. The paintwork was absolutely flawless in every way. This was a £19k 13 year old car.
To spend £87k on a car youred expect it to be perfect or as near as. Every used car will have signs of use and maybe some paintwork done but in this case whoever painted this car needs an eyetest.
Frozen Berry is a very rare colour and made in small batches. The colour would have had to be specially matched by a spectrometer which any good paint factor could have done.
This car needs the whole front end repainting or even possibly the whole car. Unbeliveable that a OPC thought it an acceptable job. Ive been selling cars for 22 years and wouldnt have a Astra for £5k on the forecout with a paint mismatch like this let alone a car 20times the price!
Seeing the car on a track and thrashed to within an inch of its life, needing a new clutch at 8k miles would also be a no no for me.
This car has rightly now been marked as a nail and likely will be extremely hard to sell. Id put its value at no more than £50K as its an auction car in reality.
You really dodged a bullet with this car.👍😮
The sales manager at Reading is a total rogue. I wouldn’t trust him making a coffee ! Avoid. ❤
Porsche GB needs to up their game
Andrew I am 3/4 way through and just hit pause to comment. You dodged a huge bullet. This car has been brutalised by quite a few you tubers and testers. You deserve better than this you really do. Even at a discount this car is serious money. Although I can see you are gutted, feel fortunate your gut was stronger than your heart. Also the colour is marmite, but that is neither here nor there, as this is your dream car not ours ;-). Right going to click on play again now, see how this plays out. Again great content. :-)
A specialist inspection on such cars is always worth paying for
It is a material fact(ex press car), they must disclose as it would influence a buyer - It is true this is NEVER disclosed in the advert notes - The last one I saw was A911FWD 992 4 GTS, that sold pretty quickly at West London. Remember, their sales are pushed on numbers sold per month.
Had a terrible experience with West London as well! Will never go back. Mayfair and Reading have been great though.
Interesting. If I had a desire for an unusual colour I'd probably buy the car in a popular colour and have it wrapped. That way the wrap can be removed at sale time, the paintwork will have been protected and the ROI hopefully maintained.
💯 with this 👍
very interesting,i retail bottom bucket cars but the bonnet bolts still get painted to match if its been off for paint
Many BMWs are registered with the number plates starting with Y. This is because of the BMW Import Centre based just outside of Doncaster. Doesn’t always mean that it’s been trashed on track or has been part of the press fleet but may have been an ex-demo or have been a company car.
Several years ago I bought a bmw 2 series coupe that has the Y number plate and found out that was a bmw car but didn’t put me off and bought it. Year later when I got it serviced the dealer asked if I’d been driving it really hard which I hadn’t! All then made sense so I quickly sold it after that
They also seem to be a hire cars - see a few with the Y reg and Thrifty sticker on the back (often driven badly!)
Pretty much every Y BMW and MINI will be ex-BMW fleet, both my and my neighbour’s MINIs are. As I mentioned in another comment, there are usually clues on the build sheet of those to anything out of the ordinary - I forget the numbers off the top of my head,however there is one for “management” cars, which are normally those either used by HO or in the case of new models used to demonstrate them to the dealers prior to the launch, or press cars, which have their own code (S900 or something in that region) to identify them.
I registered cars from Mercedes are as likely to be ex Lease as they are the Press Fleet or exHire Cars as all cars registered to MBFS have a “K”
The way to tell is check the PDi certificate inside the service book as it will have the first keeper details even if the car was registered to MBFS
Cars from BMW with the Y could indeed be Press Fleet or Hire Cars but they could also be ex BMW UK Management cars
@@bigjml “Management” is just a euphemism for fleet 😉
Interesting review Andrew. Have always thought that odd colours would be difficult to match and blend in. I would guess all matt or non gloss finishes would be next to impossible. Am surprised they're not auctioning this one.....
Brilliant episode. You have great knowledge and eye to see all these negatives and you did the right thing especially for that sort of money. In reality sadly it’s hard to trust everyone and it’s good practice to check and double check. Trust needs to be earned in my opinion. Good luck with the search Vdub
Looking forward to the next episode
I think you've missed something important here. The car is retailing over 10k less than equivalent cars. The car needs a respray which would cost around 8k at a Porsche approved centre. If you don't mind it's been a press car then I'd buy the car, get the respray and fix the niggles under warranty. You're not going to find a car over 10k below retail without caveats. Its 10k under for a reason.
As before Andrew, bitter sweet…sorry to learn about these issues but pleased you’re staying (or at least trying to) with Porsche. The dealership, who clearly didn’t know they were attempting to bowl a pork chop past a wolf have fallen well short of customer expectations, I trust a review will take place. In the meantime good luck with the ongoing search and I hope this hasn’t put you off such a fantastic car.
Hmmm 50 thousand subscribers and many more viewers a significant proportion of who will be prospective Porsche customers now know Porsche GB are as trustworthy a seller as some bloke selling cars from his drive. Maybe even less depending on the bloke in question!
Great work calling this out. You need to be meticulous when dropping this sort of money and it is disappointing that all this wasn't made clear up front, I absolutely get it. To then re-list the car and not attend to or describe the issues, this dealership absolutely NEEDS to be called out and I genuinely hope they don't forget this and improve their processes. Sadly this sort of thing is all too common.
You've been badly let down. Thanks for sharing your story....brave...well done👍
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience, shame it didn't work out but it's certainly eye opening! In the light of day there's a clear difference! Crazy that they didn't use PPF on the front end so once it comes back from press it could be removed/replaced
Literally cannot tell the difference. It all looks like the same colour to me. Maybe I'm slightly colour blind or something? Everyone loves the colour of my own car but me! Had it wrapped but it didn't come out the way I wanted.
Should've gone to specsavers😂
I'd never knowingly buy a press demonstrator, same as I'd never knowingly buy a tuned turbo engined car. Regarding the paint, I can imagine it would be a bloody nightmare trying to match that colour. I remember going to look at a Pearlescent white Audi S2 back in the day, and the touch-ups to the paint stood out like a sore thumb. It wasn't just white with mica in it, it had a few tones going on. So god knows how hard it is to match the colour of the porker [not that I like it I'm afraid, the colour that is]
Probably was the cylinder deactivation kicking in - it produces a sudden drone accompanied sometimes with a vibration through the chassis... All rectified by turning it off by turning by pressing the stop/start button before or during your drive just the once.
I have seen this colour on many many Porsche, they all look exactly like as shown here... Tycan etc etc... its the way the paint interacts with the light... at certain angles it appears blended but on others it appears slightly different depending upon the curvature of the two surfaces your looking at.... go do a google search and you will see I am right!... Storm in a tea cup!
What bollocks are you on about? We know its been resprayed and that it doesnt match. 😂
Go look at pictures on the internet they all do this shift between the front and the side... @@TheDonshaz
Hi Andrew, if you would like a flawless GT4, I have a March 2023, 690 miles, yellow, manual GT4 £88k. (by the way that’s OCD levels of flawless :) )
Thanks for the offer. I’ve seen that car, seen them all :) Seriously considered it as local to me but it’s missing something like dual climate..? Have bought a 2021 with just about the right spec and 1 Porsche Club owner 1200 miles
This was a really interesting video Andrew, and sadly a common occurrence thanks to people moving to buy online! You just don’t spot these errors in the pictures or wrong lighting!
Glorious Putrescent Plum😆
Could be improved by a wrap in Dynamic Vomit Green...
Andrew, I went to purchase 2 911’s from my local OPC. One very base 911 and also a Targa 4S. I was ok if I had to order new or if there was anything second hand suitable. Bearing in mind how much money I was prepared to part with I was a little surprised when I heard absolutely nothing after the test drives. In fact they just closed my enquiry file with no action.
I was then contacted 3 or 4 months later asking me if a new salesperson can help as the other person had left and yes they’d done absolutely zero with my ask.
You can work out the numbers £ they ignored. Suffice to say I gave them a piece of my mind.
Yes I am already a 911 owner but still it’s a shocking experience
6:26 ❤ personally and hint of rose gold colour which was all the rage that year.
No way on this earth would i buy an ex demo/press car, it would have been hammered and abused, no amount of health checks will alter the internal wear and tear.
I had a very similar experience with Porsche Edinburgh last week, albeit on a Cayman S. Similar to you the price and spec caught my eye, looking at the spec I did think track car but not Porsche GB owned. I was firstly told by the sales manager that "it had never been near a track", following getting the figures I was happy with I asked for this in writing as like yourself I had to travel some distance to see the car. I was then told the first owner was Porsche GB and it had been a press car, and used at the Silverstone Porsche experience centre. Needless to say I was not happy and I walked away from the car, I actually noticed today it has now been sold. I wonder if they have been honest with the person who did buy it. So I would 100% agree with you, even dealing with a Porsche approved dealer you can't believe what you are being told.
Edinburgh are an awful OPC, from my experience best avoided.
GT4 in that colour its not for everyone...still coming off price wise id say. Theres bucket seated cars with PCCBS for 78k, I would have a GT3 - GT4 just isnt a GT3.....even an older 991.1 GT3. Much better car.
I bought a GT3RS, and found out a week later I had an ex press car (RX04PPK). I was never told this at the time of sale. The clutch went a few weeks later. Porsche GB fixed it for free, but the car never felt right so I part x’ed it for a new M5.
Great learning story! Sometimes the official dealers are the ones to watch for! They knew about the history and chose to not be transparent. Been following your GTS journey.
I’d rather buy a recovered stolen from the south side of Chicago than a Press car….
You KNOW a Press car has been beat and abused. And they loan them out to fools that just don’t give a shit what they do to them !!
That was a close shave, did you sell your Boxster or just take it off autotrader for now?
Interestingly, my worst buying experience or after sales experience was a Porsche OPC when I bought my 718 GT4. A friend has also just had a similar experience at another OPC too. So yes, dont less the dazzle baffle you and assume from a main dealer it will be perfect. Also dont expect you will have the back up you expect after buying, as its not the car, they seem to be of the mindset, they are big fish, your custom does not matter. GLWYS
exactly the same for me. bought a few new BMW's and I've been very satisfied, I'm not an difficult person but my worst new car buying experience was with an OPC for my 718 gt4 which at the time was the most expensive car i had purchased. the collection day and the service was all a bit underwhelming.
I will never give any Porsche OPC my business, be it buying a car or servicing one. They have always left me either underwhelmed, disappointed, or angry.
i agree that the attitude is elitist. i looked at a new 911 4 several years ago but the attitude of the salespeople was take it or leave it. i left it. still have my boxster which has been trouble free and a lot of fun.
Another excellent video Andrew 👌🏽. Let’s hope PORSCHE themselves see this!!!!
You worked long enough in used cars to know how it works !! … did you really expect it to be rectified before re advertising 😂😂
The search should have been terminated immediately at the point it was apparent the car had been tracked, and tracked A LOT.
Would be ideal at £70k a nice wrap and just a track car for someone
I thought a Porsche main dealer would be a 1st class experience from customer service to quality of vehicle.....no different it seems from ever other dealer really, if the punter doesn't notice it, we won't dislose it ! I would however have dropped my guard as well with such a prestigious brand ! Lesson well learned, trust no-one!! Thanks for sharing your experience, what next ?
Depends on the dealer. Spoke to a clown at porsche sutton coldfield bragging about how many cars he sells.. then he told me he used to work for vauxhall... Total clown knew nothing about porsche either.
Someone will buy it as a gift for their wife and they wont notice the paint or care about the history. It wasn't the right car for you but it will be for someone who 'likes the colour'. Used cars are used cars. They aren't going to repaint it or resolve any issues. They just want it sold. Useful to know that even porsche don't care about their own strict quality criteria for approved used cars. A used and abused car is a used car at any price.
I went from a 2018 cayman gts 4 cyl to a 718 sypder 6 cyl.
Both were in crayon paint
..and if you wanted to trade it in to an OPC in the future, they would instantly reject it with that colour match
I had my fair share with Porsche dealers mate, first and last experience with the brand for me which is a shame… they are highly overrated however none of them live up to the standards we expect from such brand! Hope you find the right one soon mate 👍
Good general advice.
The standard of paint work that Porsche had done on that car was shocking.
I work in the automotive repair industry and have worked at Mercedes, VAG and Porsche dealerships. I do not think that work was carried out by an approved repairer.
Oh and nice Dovi t shirt.
Wonder who's painted that few dodge painter's out there always do
A full hpi check tells stuff car vertical doesn't
I personally would have raised it directly with Porsche customer services. As I suspect they won't be aware.
This car has defo had accident damage. No way you can put a porsche warranty on it in this condition. @porsche need to act
Definitely not too fussy! And they definitely hid it in the parking garage with knowledge! Even if it was the body shop guys... as a body shop guy we watch for these tricks collecting cars from other places. Often times shaded spots and shadows and tree cover etc. Not to mention rain. I would’ve walked away too!
Andrew, very good advice, no matter who you are buying the car from you must do due diligence.
Also, very disappointment with Porsche GB, that’s the paint match and sales approach you would expect from Fly-by-night Cars Ltd (sorry if that’s a real name of a car company!)
I would have walked away at the color difference ! You would think that a dealership selling high end vehicles would not be as unscrupulous as the Porsche dealer you were involved with. I guess we just can’t trust any of them ! Sad….. thanks for sharing your experience. RickGTI….. 🌴
To be honest walked through porsche Perth forecourt recently and standard of cars looked more co-part than high end main dealer. 3 cars had panel gaps so far off not sure how bonnet even operated on one. Paint work on others iffy even other half noticed one that looked like it had been cleaned with a Brillo pad. No correction done or would most detailers thank you for giving them such a challenge. Think to my 17 year old boxster was straighter than some on the forecourt. Kinda shocking for a main dealer. So share your concerns of Porsche standards. Sad to say the least
Honestly baffled at this. Anyone saying you're being "too fussy", is insane. You buy a Porsche for their notoriuous attention to detail, perfection, heratige and driving feel. I'm shocked a Porsche dealer went about it as they did and it being such a reputable one at that! The whacky colours are always better too, in my opinion. I'd rather something unique (he says with a white Golf...) and have it stand out so I feel like I've got something unique. As well, you buy a car for you to enjoy, so I say all power to you for the colour. It's cool af!
I had a similar experience when I was buying my first Edition 40. I wasn't as patient or as trained as you with seeing the signs of problems, but thankfully I was able to get out of it and my money back to buy a proper one. The excitement got the better of me.
Hopefully you can find the right car for you and forfill the Porsche dream. As sad as it is, this was the best case and you're not having to deal with fixing things to make this car perfect, which is what it should be as it's a Porsche. But, in saying that, this goes for any car. No car should but missold to anyone because cars aren't cheap. But high end, premium cars really shouldn't!
Very well observed, how many would spot the paint difference, indoor, outdoor, bright sunshine, overcast weather,all can alter the appearance of the paint,
Thanks Martin but I’d say in this case it wouldn’t take an expert. Sure a buyer may not be looking for it but when you do see it it’s very obvious. And if the buyer doesn’t spot in then the chances are a neighbour or a friend will. Metallica should never be painted edge to edge, they should be blended but even thus wouldn’t help as it’s not even close to being the correct colour
Being an ex press car absolutely should put you off. You'd be utterly incensed if you witnessed anyone treating your own car as press cars get treated. Moreover, unless Porsche swapped out the engine and gearbox, the checks and maintenance are irrelevant. How are they going to check for premature engine wear due to being ragged from cold by an idiot? They're not. Like I said, unless it's got a fresh engine and gearbox, then it's got an engine and gearbox that has been mistreated by a load of talentless idiots (not all the 'media' are like that, but plenty are). There are loads of other components that will be more knackered than usual and won't have been changed out and will be more likely to give problems in future. Anyone who has seen how press cars are treated would not buy one. And if you're surprised it went straight back up for sale, afraid you are rather naive. Standards at OPCs are not particularly high. Someone will happily buy that car and only realise their mistake when they come to sell it. The dealer knows all of this and couldn't give the slightest shit.
A couple of years ago I was after a Macan (new) and the sales person at Porsche seemed disinterested to say the least. My assumption was if I bowled in after a 911 or a more expensive “option” driven car….cutting a long story short, got a SQ5 with excellent service from the Stratford Upon Avon Audi dealership. Perhaps they have a view of “treat them mean keep people keen” at Towcester / Silverstone Porsche.
I Have Just Resprayed My Van in Porsche RennBow Black Grey 7A2 or RAL 7021,
Id Recommend this Colour
I take it you can't simply configure ,order and buy GT4 ?
Excellent video!! I am considering purchasing my next car from a approved porsche network but having watched your video I don't think so.
Purchased a couple of years ago a cayman 987 from a specialist called rpm in knaresborough North Yorkshire. Great car excellent service will definitely go down that route again!! By the way sent an email to porsche to see if the paintwork has been rectified, no doubt I'll get no response! Cheers volkswizard
You can always have some frozen berries for your pudding to make up for this! On a serious note, I work next to a Porsche dealer and look at their stock most days. Do you think it would be possible to buy a used cayman, keep it for a year and sell it on without losing too much money?
I don't think I can look at frozen berries ever again! If you buy from Porsche as an approved used car you get 2 years warranty, so after 1 year you can pass the balance on to next owner if you sell privately. But you'll still never get back anything like what you paid because Porsche main dealers charge a good chunk more than everyone else for that peace of mind. Only way to beat the system is buy privately at well below dealer retail and be lucky without a warranty. Or car prices go up which is a rare phenomenon and we are unlikely to see a repeat of what we had in 2021/2022 for a long time. Porsches sub £50k generally hold their price well though
@@volkswizard Thanks for the advice. 2 year warranty would be nice to have.
Being VAT Qualifying, it’s going to end up in the UAE, Pakistan or Malaysia one would have to think. Sporty Vat Q stuff under 5yrs old seems to go that way from my limited experience.
Porsche must have written it down on their books to not a lot, and it’s earned its money in promotional payback surely?
Trying to wring a retail sale out of it when, like you say it seems to dip below their retail standards seems at odds with the product, quality image they strive for. I’m sure they have their reasons.
I agree that walking away was the right move, even though you were already visualising the ownership and first road trip. Maybe they’ll call you on Monday and offer it to you for £50k??? 🤔.
It happens to us all when you love cars, especially quirky ones. Onwards and upwards…
Shocking standards…..lm finding this is happening more and more with main car dealerships….approved used car..yer right..bullocks!
thank you for the great content! I have a press car, one of the first boxster press cars so just a bit of fun but one thing, it's nice to have the magazine pictures of it now. It may have had a hard life but it gives something as well. I would assume they knew that the car was mismatched and that's why they took the offer and why they displayed the car in poor light. Disappointing.
Good luck for Your ongoing search! A Porsche 718 Cayman GT 4 with a manual transmission is also one of my personal favourites! I would even prefer it to a GT 4 RS because it is only available with an automatic transmission.
Best regards from Austria!
sometimes life is so hard ! the crushing blows that fate deals us, and having the wrong coloured Porsche is at the top ! I'm not sure i could not cope, please don't give up on life, things will get better and don't forget time heals, may god be with you
2:40+ and I'm out.
You want to replace the open top experience for a closed roof?
Buh bye.
Sadly car sales is car sales whatever brand it is....... The tricks are all the same...
I'd never buy an ex press car as due to abuse some of the people who are lent it have no respect. I made this mistake with a bike, it was an absolute dog regardless of the saving I made!
A clutch after 4000 miles! Remember the rest of the drive train had this abuse, that is an average of 80,000 miles abuse (You would expect a clutch to last that far with a careful driver) in a short time. Whoever had it really gave it some. I wouldn't have considered it at all.
2 things meant I was OK with press use a) it's a GT car so should be tough b) apparently they go through a comprehensive refurb process. What I later discovered (and the fact the paint was crap was lucky because I had a good excuse to walk) was that yes the GT cars are tough but they are designed for track use and racing, not drifting with loads of smoke coming off tyres and not repeated launches to measure 0-62 times. Racing car drivers are smooth as it's faster and easier on the hardware. With regards to refurb, yes they spent a good chunk on it cosmetically but it's the bits you can't see that are excessively worn as you say and while there is a warrantyt you can bet they will fail out of warranty or be deemed wear and tear items. Never again
@@volkswizard Was a great video.
You'll find the right car. The time of year and generally softening market are in your favour.
Being an informed & patient buyer will work out.
Patience isn't ever easy though. Best of luck.
Thats good advice for an ex-press fleet car, but what potential buyers wont be able to ascertain is if a car has been thrashed at the Porsche Experience Centre where it has had a hard life 100% of its life with them (unlike a press car which has had a hard life for a lower % of its ife)
Its a shame you can no longer see who the previous owner is on the V5 !
Its been reduced now to £84K
Porsche sales, thick as mince. Like the government, Never underestimate what they think of you, I am exactly like you and have had a few close shaves, Good video well done you.
This video did not have to be this long. While this sucked I had to fast forward to Stitch together relevant information.
I can't see the problem. Used Porsche, nice colour.
You need to speak to Damian from The Car Guys you tube channel. His Porsche dealings and that of other owners will make interesting information for you. As you said. Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. Cheers Andrew. Good hunting.
Why were they not able to match the colour though ?
Even just patch test it first and adjust.
Who knows? Lots of reasons why it should never have been presented in this condition.
The bonnet may have been replaced due to stone chips or ripple dents from cameras suction mounts. The pictures that Porsche have uploaded must have been altered or be even from a different car as no mis-match can be seen. This sort of thing should not be found in a Porsche GB main dealer.
That poor GT4 was part of the Porsche Experience Track Day Fleet as well so it no wonder why the clutch needed to be replaced after 4000 miles. I hope you can find another GT3 soon.
The unique color and it being a former press car should offer any owner a ton of provenance.
Indeed, it would've..... and honestly, and I know this is on my 4K Samsung TV, so potentially it's not relaying through, but I really couldn't see a difference in paint shade or metallic or anything on the Frozen Berry.... I just couldn't see it. 🤷♂️🧐
Personally, depending on the reduction in sales price offered due to this alleged paint miss match I can't notice, I would've brought it.... after they fixed that throw out bearing he clearly heard screaming 😅
@porsche sort your dealers out. This car is still for sale and doesnt meet criteria for your warranty. Yet dealer still trying to flog it. Better off bringing it back to your ownership and taking it off the road
Great video. I remember years ago something similar with the og blue 2014 f80 m3 press car that was on top gear spending ages on the classifieds. After digging around on the forums apparently that car was a 🍋
...as was said always be on your guard...
I love the colour…❤ I like individual cars…
Cool! I think it's 1 of 1 when it comes to GT4s in UK, a couple in US. Apparently its a colour for Asia as over there it's racey like yellow/red here
You did right by getting your deposit back, you would always be looking at the colour difference. Just goes to show that you can't really trust ANY dealer. Years ago I bought an Audi A4 convertible from an Audi dealership, fair enough it's nothing like the price bracket of your car but it was still a lot of my hard earned money. Anyway, I did all the relevant checks and checked all the paperwork and asked the obvious question has it ever been involved in any accident/bumps etc. The salesmen said no, we're not a back street dealer, and he looked a little offended. The sale went through after a week or 2 and I was proud as punch driving my first Audi home. The first thing I did at the weekend was give it a good valeting inside (tbh it didn't really need it), imagine my surprise and horror when I opened the glove compartment and found photos and garage paperwork of the damage and repair to my vehicle that had supposedly not been in an accident ! I was so sick and gutted that I didn't even want to tell my wife because I felt such a fool. It was the same Audi dealerships' bodywork department that had done the work and it had the main bodyworks' foreman's phone number on it. I rang him and asked him what was the accident etc., it turns out it had been a vehicle that the dealer gives a customer when their car is in for service etc and the accident had actually happened on a winters morning in the dealers car park! Now, I had my suspicions that this foreman maybe had had a 'beef' with the salesman for something or other and had deliberately left this information in the glove compartment so it could be found as they didn't like the way things were being sold. I say this because he seemed to want to give me all the info no problem. Anyway, I rang the salesman and rejected the car (even though everything had been repaired) because I didn't like being blatantly lied to, maybe this was a mistake I will never know but we have principles, right? Oh, when I mentioned about the photos/paperwork to the salesman that I found in the glove compartment he tried to turn it on it's head and said something like " Yeah we left them there so it shows we have nothing to hide "................what a banker with a w !
We recently went to look at a 911 at a main Porsche dealer. The car had just come back from being prepared to Porsche's high standards. Clearly this didn't extend to the seat belt cover which was hanging from the seatbelt and layed on the rear seat. The embarrased salesman brushed this off and clipped it back in place before the test drive. Needless to say, that particular Beetle is still for sale.
Gobsmacked they did this! Maybe a blessing as I’m not sure about that colour! Hope you find your dream car.
Interesting video wow I wouldn't expect this from Porsche . I have a 2019 Audi S3 that I have owned from new unfortunately
somebody as opened there door in a car park and chipped the paint on the sway line the chip is very small but as gone through to the metal I have ordered a Ara blue colour match paint stick from my local Audi dealership but my concern is it not looking perfect and have thought about having the door painted even tho the damage is tiny but after watching your video it as give me second thoughts as it might not match . What do you think ?
I don’t trust Solicitors, Estate Agents, Home Report Surveyors and not lastly (there are more) Car Traders.
Sadly we need to use them at sometime.
At what price would you say “yeah that paint mismatch is ok or the scuffed wheels are ok too?
Personally I took weeks or trawling through car add’s before buying my MB E Class estate (1 owner and a full MB service history)
Now my car came with a comprehensive warranty (AA) and needed 3 visits to my mechanics shop, in the first 3 months of ownership.
Total cost to put things right £2000. (At no cost to me)
Do I like my new purchase, yes. Would I buy an used car without a warranty, no.
I’ve covered 10,000 miles in 10 months of ownership of my E Class and I’m totally happy with it, although having to put things right in the short time of owning it was a bit frustrating. I keep my cars for over 5 years, while also keeping pace with their servicing history.
PS My Beagle (Paul) loves the air suspension too!
They’re not selling it as a pristine example. It’s a press car and yes it’s on the internet to see, I’d been interested to see how much they would sell it for at a discount. A usable GT4 to drive and enjoy.
I think by putting this video up you made it rather difficult now as you have quite clearly black balled Porsche over that car.
If it was me and could get a hefty discount on the car and get a good warranty on it then yes a bargain for sure.
the problem is none of this was readily disclosed. a less astute driver would not have noticed any of this and the cheque would have been cashed, without recourse. and as for the paint and other repairs, this influences the resale of the car. disgraceful that porsche would have put this up for sale without proper attention to detail and disclosure.
@@boxsterbenz4059 I agree it might affect resale though if I was an Ed Bolean in the case of a high end car that wouldn’t put me off just an eye for a cheap GT4 to drive the wheels off.
It is a shady practice none the less but if you know you know. Nobody should be buying a car without any checks or due diligence whatsoever.
Plus at that 40-80k range cars of prominent marquis like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc aren’t going to be immaculate especially if it’s retail was over 100k+ new so expect it’s going to need money putting into it.
For example a GT4 retails at around £102k but you are looking at a 77k one it’s right at the lowest price point for a GT4. Look at the market let’s be real if it was £90k and it was mismatched paint and a dodgy gearbox I’d complain, nobody here is looking at this subjectively and with a pinch of salt.
The buyer got hurt it wasn’t a bargain and if it was 77k and a perfect car it would be long sold by weeks end of being on sale.
I’d have shrewdly negotiated a really lowball offer sorted the clutch and lived with the paintwork for a while until I could sort it or wrap it.
What a shame man, What a beautiful colour that car was in as well!
Where is the content on the ED30? :D
Thank you for posting Andrew, wow just shows how careful one needs to be, glad you dodged that one. Just shows how difficult modern paints can be to match.
Rgds A. P.
As soon as I discovered it was a Porsche UK Press car I would be walking away. With respect to your channel, you only have to look at the way other RUclipsrs & the main stream motoring journalists drive Press Cars/Demonstrators to know you wouldn't want to own one afterwards no matter how good the manufacturers or dealer warranty is. As for Porsche dealers, at the end of the day, like all car dealers they are in the business of selling as many cars as they can & meeting sales targets. The fact they had the car in poor light & not in a position to have it test driven that day was no doubt deliberate. You went into this with your experience & "Dealers Hat On". An ordinary buyer would be less aware & lulled into a false sense of security by the glossy showroom & OPC "Approved Pre-Owned" marketing.
Absolutely spot on
I purchased the Lava Orange 718 Boxster press car and was very happy with it until it came time to trade it in and I was told by Porsche Kendal that it had a bad respray to the rear end and the wheels were badly painted. Now in the 2 years I owned the car, there had been no accidents and the car had come direct from Porsche GB and was sold through Porsche Exeter. Shows that even Porsche try and sell a dodgy car
My experience with buying a 718 new form a Porsche dealer was one of the worst I could ever imagine.
86 grand and you have to use the "tradesman entrance".