Hugh Nibley’s essay “the book of Enoch: a strange thing in the land” (I’m pretty sure that’s the title) would be an enlightening read. It explains who the Sons of God are, which makes sense when you consider that for them to procreate they would have either had to be corporeal (man) or a resurrected man (before the resurrection of Jesus) or translated beings that rebelled after their translation.
Sons of God were after the order of the Son and His Holy Priesthood established in the early days of the world. We have the restored gospel you know. These things already have answers without having to bring out fallen angels and resurrected beings and all the rest. Are you striving to become a Son or Daughter of God today?
Being raised in Las Vegas and surrounding area, It hurts to hear that people only think of Las Vegas as Sin City and wickedness. Yes, there is sin and wickedness there but remember Las Vegas was first settled by Mormon missionaries in 1855. There is over 6% LDS population there, 31 Stakes, 2 missions and 2 temples, 1 current and 1 in planning. It is interesting that both temples will be on the mountain sides visible to the east and west of the valley. It's been a couple of decades, but when I was in JHS and HS, the area I lived in had a pretty high LDS population. My classrooms had 50% LDS many times. The honor classes had even a higher percentage generally. What I am getting at is that the Las Vegas area has a lot of members living there, and I feel is part of the reason things keep progressing there. We can't just paint Las Vegas as wicked. There are regular neighborhoods away from the popular strip and downtown area.
I love that you said that we must found Zion within. This is absolutely true. In ourselves first, then our families exactly as you said. However, you can live the law of consecration right now. It has nothing to do with turning all your stuff over to the church and getting a stewardshipo back. It may become that at some point. Consecration does have to do with our "stuff" but it also is more to do with time, talents and everything with which you have been blessed. For instance, what you are doing with this channel is a consecration. That doesn't make it wrong for you to try to make money with the channel. Properly done, every consecration enlarges your own "wealth" which means you did not bury your talent, but you grow more and more talents as you consecrate more and more. Yes, it includes placing your "stuff" on the altar. But not necessarily to the church organization. It means you use your "stuff" as well as your time and your abilities as the Lord would in your place. You have already covenanted to do this, not at some future time when the church rolls out a program, buut right now to the best you can. It is an adjustment. It does NOT mean giving all your stuff away (unless the Lord commands you to.) But the Lord understands that we have needs that need to be met. Consecration has more to do with your heart than your bank account balance or lack thereof. I know you guys will know the truth of this, because I can tell your hearts are where they need to be. Zion will indeed prosper when this law is understood and lived.
18:54 - Satan cannot create, he can only counterfeit the real thing. John 8:37-59 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The concept here is an absolute lack of understanding who the three in the God head are and who another son of the morning became. Lucifer is a spirit offspring of the Father, just as Jehovah is. We each are spirit offspring as well. Lucifer sought absolute glory and power over the Father to bring the Father's children back. The Master offered to allow choice and to be a redeemer with the glory be to the Father. Confusion comes about when Christ is referred to as the Father and the Son. When this is used Christ is not our spirit Father, that person is El. But Christ is the Father of our Redemption as He owns the Atonement, the Crucifixion, and Resurrection which He and He alone did. He owns it because a sinless participant, willingly, would offer Himself as the sacrifice. He had to be a God to be sinless and mortal in order to die. I cannot even imagine what our Heavenly Father had to do in order to allow His only begotten to go through the process. Back to the premise that Jesus is Lucifer's father, no he is not, not in creation nor in redemption as Lucifer would never accept the redemption Christ did for all.
Shane, you are always going to North Carolina for your properties, how are things for you??? I hear over 100 people are declared gone to God and massive destruction. Any word? Could you do a news report?
“The Power of Sustaining Faith” By President Henry B. Eyring Second paragraph from this article says the following: “Before you were born, you demonstrated such power. Think back to what we know of the spirit world before we were born. Our Heavenly Father presented a plan for His children. We were there. Lucifer, our spirit brother, opposed the plan that would allow us freedom to choose. Jehovah, the Beloved Son of Heavenly Father, sustained the plan. Lucifer led a rebellion. Jehovah’s sustaining voice prevailed, and He volunteered to be our Savior.” From my understating spiritually we are all brothers and sisters and when Lucifer fell and became Satan became something else entirely. In the sense that Christ is also our creator I could see how he could also be the Father of Lucifer through Heavenly Fathers power too. Like more than one thing I’m thinking. 😊
When that was said, I was confused too. Did Shane mean Elohim? I'm not too sure. I didn't know Jehovah had or could have any children, let alone the oldest son of Jehovah. Really confused here.
Things are hell on Earth . But Eternal consequences-good or bad . We have no clue . 😅 Think about the pool shifts ? Could the south pool become the North pool?
Concerning the title of this video and your closing thought, I'm not sure where you're pulling that idea from or why that would even be entertained. There's no doctrinal basis for such a thing as others have mentioned at length already in the comments.
I think there’s atleast 2 Satan’s and that the Moses account is a distinct figure from Abraham. We know a serpent is a seraph or divine being. And we see in Moses that Satan tricks the serpent into following him. So I think the one we call a serpent is a distinct figure and that there’s a higher Satan. There needs be opposition in all things
You should read Mormon 8. Pay close attention to the timings. Now look at D&C section 10 towards the end. Interesting things contained therein. Have a great day Brother Midegah. Miigwech Nii Jii
I have always understood there is the Father. Our Father in Heaven. And what makes OUR Father in Heaven OUR Father is that he was the one that created the Spiritual Body for our Intelligence to inhabit. And he created Spiritual bodies for all the Hosts of Heaven. The 1/3 as well as the 2/3. We are all brothers and sisters. Jehovah was the first one that received a Spiritual body from the Father. And what place Lucifer was in... I have yet to find that number. But Jehovah is our brother. Lucifer is our brother. Michael is our brother etc, etc, etc. So it would be that Lucifer and Jehovah would be brothers just as we are brothers of Jehovah and Lucifer. We are all of the Father... no matter which Mother we had. Doesn't that just make plain and simple sense? What more are you reading into the story to look at it in a different way? I know Jehovah is declared to be Our Father in a different way. He is the Father / Creator of the Human body... where our Father in Heaven is the creator of the Spiritual body. And it was Jehovah... the God of the Old Testament who became our father because he created the body that the "breath of Life" (our spirit) would be breathed into. And that which Jesus created (human bodies) can be redeemed by him. And the fact that he gave the Law of Moses to Moses... he was also the one that would fulfill that Law.
Satan was created as an Angel, not a child of God! That is why he was jealous of Jesus Christ and all of us who are Created in God's image! He was known as The Angel of the Morning and was highly thought of before pride hit him and he fell .
13:50 - Makes sense, that those who follow THIS "father" (the father of lies, who has no body, is not an actual father, and cannot actually ever have ACTUAL seed, or offer anything but death to his "children")... makes sense that since they chose the "SATAN" to be their father, and not Christ (father of creation and our spiritual rebirth), these are they who will receive their "reward"...and it will be death, not life. Those who follow the adversary DO NOT get to partake in the morning of the first resurrection or enjoy the Millennial Reign. There are only two masters. You can only choose one to be your "father." So....WHO'S YOUR DADDY? As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Revelation 20:5-6 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." Because.... "...an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should DECEIVE THE NATION NO MORE till the thousand years should be fulfilled:" (v 1-3)
Heavenly Father is the father of Jesus, Jesus is the father of satan and also of Adam. Adam is the Holy Ghost and the third member of the godhead. Satan is Adam’s brother. When we are born we are children of Adam and inherited the fall. When we are baptized we are adopted and become children of Christ. When we go through the temple we become co heirs and adopted as a child of Heavenly Father. It only at this point is Christ our brother.
@@janetjenkins1066 sure, let me show you. Isaiah 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Called Lucifer the son of the morning. And in revelations 22 Jesus is called the morning star. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Also in Doctrine and covenants 76 we learn that Adam was made by Jesus 23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father- 24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
@WatchingwaitingG2D would you like to speak to a manager? Are the fries over done by 10 seconds and the ginger ale fountain has way too much syrup and is unacceptable.
Hugh Nibley’s essay “the book of Enoch: a strange thing in the land” (I’m pretty sure that’s the title) would be an enlightening read.
It explains who the Sons of God are, which makes sense when you consider that for them to procreate they would have either had to be corporeal (man) or a resurrected man (before the resurrection of Jesus) or translated beings that rebelled after their translation.
Sons of God were after the order of the Son and His Holy Priesthood established in the early days of the world. We have the restored gospel you know. These things already have answers without having to bring out fallen angels and resurrected beings and all the rest. Are you striving to become a Son or Daughter of God today?
Being raised in Las Vegas and surrounding area, It hurts to hear that people only think of Las Vegas as Sin City and wickedness. Yes, there is sin and wickedness there but remember Las Vegas was first settled by Mormon missionaries in 1855. There is over 6% LDS population there, 31 Stakes, 2 missions and 2 temples, 1 current and 1 in planning. It is interesting that both temples will be on the mountain sides visible to the east and west of the valley. It's been a couple of decades, but when I was in JHS and HS, the area I lived in had a pretty high LDS population. My classrooms had 50% LDS many times. The honor classes had even a higher percentage generally.
What I am getting at is that the Las Vegas area has a lot of members living there, and I feel is part of the reason things keep progressing there. We can't just paint Las Vegas as wicked. There are regular neighborhoods away from the popular strip and downtown area.
I love that you said that we must found Zion within. This is absolutely true. In ourselves first, then our families exactly as you said. However, you can live the law of consecration right now. It has nothing to do with turning all your stuff over to the church and getting a stewardshipo back. It may become that at some point.
Consecration does have to do with our "stuff" but it also is more to do with time, talents and everything with which you have been blessed. For instance, what you are doing with this channel is a consecration. That doesn't make it wrong for you to try to make money with the channel. Properly done, every consecration enlarges your own "wealth" which means you did not bury your talent, but you grow more and more talents as you consecrate more and more.
Yes, it includes placing your "stuff" on the altar. But not necessarily to the church organization. It means you use your "stuff" as well as your time and your abilities as the Lord would in your place. You have already covenanted to do this, not at some future time when the church rolls out a program, buut right now to the best you can. It is an adjustment. It does NOT mean giving all your stuff away (unless the Lord commands you to.) But the Lord understands that we have needs that need to be met. Consecration has more to do with your heart than your bank account balance or lack thereof.
I know you guys will know the truth of this, because I can tell your hearts are where they need to be.
Zion will indeed prosper when this law is understood and lived.
18:54 - Satan cannot create, he can only counterfeit the real thing.
John 8:37-59
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Holy Spirit be with us
The concept here is an absolute lack of understanding who the three in the God head are and who another son of the morning became. Lucifer is a spirit offspring of the Father, just as Jehovah is. We each are spirit offspring as well. Lucifer sought absolute glory and power over the Father to bring the Father's children back. The Master offered to allow choice and to be a redeemer with the glory be to the Father.
Confusion comes about when Christ is referred to as the Father and the Son. When this is used Christ is not our spirit Father, that person is El. But Christ is the Father of our Redemption as He owns the Atonement, the Crucifixion, and Resurrection which He and He alone did. He owns it because a sinless participant, willingly, would offer Himself as the sacrifice. He had to be a God to be sinless and mortal in order to die. I cannot even imagine what our Heavenly Father had to do in order to allow His only begotten to go through the process.
Back to the premise that Jesus is Lucifer's father, no he is not, not in creation nor in redemption as Lucifer would never accept the redemption Christ did for all.
Thank you. 🕊️🤍🕊️
Shane, you are always going to North Carolina for your properties, how are things for you??? I hear over 100 people are declared gone to God and massive destruction. Any word? Could you do a news report?
“The Power of Sustaining Faith”
By President Henry B. Eyring
Second paragraph from this article says the following:
“Before you were born, you demonstrated such power. Think back to what we know of the spirit world before we were born. Our Heavenly Father presented a plan for His children. We were there. Lucifer, our spirit brother, opposed the plan that would allow us freedom to choose. Jehovah, the Beloved Son of Heavenly Father, sustained the plan. Lucifer led a rebellion. Jehovah’s sustaining voice prevailed, and He volunteered to be our Savior.”
From my understating spiritually we are all brothers and sisters and when Lucifer fell and became Satan became something else entirely. In the sense that Christ is also our creator I could see how he could also be the Father of Lucifer through Heavenly Fathers power too. Like more than one thing I’m thinking. 😊
Jehovah is Christ. How could he be Jesus son before mortality?
Id LOVE to hear your answer
When that was said, I was confused too. Did Shane mean Elohim? I'm not too sure. I didn't know Jehovah had or could have any children, let alone the oldest son of Jehovah. Really confused here.
Babbel-ON!
Things are hell on Earth .
But Eternal consequences-good or bad .
We have no clue .
😅
Think about the pool shifts ? Could the south pool become the North pool?
Concerning the title of this video and your closing thought, I'm not sure where you're pulling that idea from or why that would even be entertained. There's no doctrinal basis for such a thing as others have mentioned at length already in the comments.
I think there’s atleast 2 Satan’s and that the Moses account is a distinct figure from Abraham. We know a serpent is a seraph or divine being. And we see in Moses that Satan tricks the serpent into following him. So I think the one we call a serpent is a distinct figure and that there’s a higher Satan. There needs be opposition in all things
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Midegah for the win!!! 🏆
You should read Mormon 8. Pay close attention to the timings. Now look at D&C section 10 towards the end. Interesting things contained therein. Have a great day Brother Midegah. Miigwech Nii Jii
@@Veevslav1 megwetch niijii
Last First….. funny funny funny
I have always understood there is the Father. Our Father in Heaven. And what makes OUR Father in Heaven OUR Father is that he was the one that created the Spiritual Body for our Intelligence to inhabit. And he created Spiritual bodies for all the Hosts of Heaven. The 1/3 as well as the 2/3. We are all brothers and sisters. Jehovah was the first one that received a Spiritual body from the Father. And what place Lucifer was in... I have yet to find that number. But Jehovah is our brother. Lucifer is our brother. Michael is our brother etc, etc, etc. So it would be that Lucifer and Jehovah would be brothers just as we are brothers of Jehovah and Lucifer. We are all of the Father... no matter which Mother we had. Doesn't that just make plain and simple sense? What more are you reading into the story to look at it in a different way?
I know Jehovah is declared to be Our Father in a different way. He is the Father / Creator of the Human body... where our Father in Heaven is the creator of the Spiritual body. And it was Jehovah... the God of the Old Testament who became our father because he created the body that the "breath of Life" (our spirit) would be breathed into. And that which Jesus created (human bodies) can be redeemed by him. And the fact that he gave the Law of Moses to Moses... he was also the one that would fulfill that Law.
Satan was created as an Angel, not a child of God! That is why he was jealous of Jesus Christ and all of us who are Created in God's image! He was known as The Angel of the Morning and was highly thought of before pride hit him and he fell .
13:50 - Makes sense, that those who follow THIS "father" (the father of lies, who has no body, is not an actual father, and cannot actually ever have ACTUAL seed, or offer anything but death to his "children")... makes sense that since they chose the "SATAN" to be their father, and not Christ (father of creation and our spiritual rebirth), these are they who will receive their "reward"...and it will be death, not life. Those who follow the adversary DO NOT get to partake in the morning of the first resurrection or enjoy the Millennial Reign. There are only two masters. You can only choose one to be your "father." So....WHO'S YOUR DADDY? As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Revelation 20:5-6
"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Because....
"...an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should DECEIVE THE NATION NO MORE till the thousand years should be fulfilled:" (v 1-3)
This is simply from not understanding who Christ is. El is Father. Christ is Yahwey.
You guys are good on so many things and then…….. just no
Where is the angel Gabriel
The Book of Mormon says that Jesus is the Eternal Father and God. Satan is a created being. They are not brothers.
I don't understand. How could Satan be a created being?? None of us our created.
Satan is a created title.
Heavenly Father is the father of Jesus, Jesus is the father of satan and also of Adam. Adam is the Holy Ghost and the third member of the godhead. Satan is Adam’s brother. When we are born we are children of Adam and inherited the fall. When we are baptized we are adopted and become children of Christ. When we go through the temple we become co heirs and adopted as a child of Heavenly Father. It only at this point is Christ our brother.
Uh…no…. Lol
Don’t make people confused, Jesus is our big brother from the beginning
@@trazersutcliffe9087 I have not heard of any children Jesus has ever had.. Especially the father of Satan.. Holy Cow. PRAY FOR DECERNMENT!!
@@janetjenkins1066 sure, let me show you. Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Called Lucifer the son of the morning. And in revelations 22 Jesus is called the morning star.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Also in Doctrine and covenants 76 we learn that Adam was made by Jesus
23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father-
24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.
@@janetjenkins1066 also Jesus is the only begotten of Heavenly Father, which means satan is not Heavenly Fathers son
You could be wrong about many things. Actually, you are.
Ok 👍🏼
@WatchingwaitingG2D would you like to speak to a manager?
Are the fries over done by 10 seconds and the ginger ale fountain has way too much syrup and is unacceptable.
@@C.anthony80 You like to split into the wind. You talk too much. Take your attitude and put it where it belongs.