I arrived at 37 minutes. Between 37 and 40 minutes, I asked Yahtzee if he knew about Run Lola Run, the film that inspired Majora's Mask. About 42:45, here's Marty's reponse. BTW, thanks for the memories and for all the talk about how movies inspired video games so much, especially for the time loop mechanic.
@@elmuneco5108 The documentary he's talking about only came out last year so I can understand why he might have thought that. Was easy to check though.
I'm surprised no one brought up Blade Runner. Sure, Neuromancer and other 80ties/90tíes cyberpunk novels delivered the themes, but Blade Runner set the aesthetic for Sci-Fi distopia for many games.
They did mention it, specifically in relation to establishing an aesthetic for cyberpunk cities with a hodgepodge of cultures crammed together (signs in english and chinese, etc.)
Matrix also took a big influence from Grant Morrisons The Invisibles comic. To the point where supposedly, copies of it were issued out to staff on set to use as reference
On twist endings (around 1:28:00) - I heard a very good case once that it's Dragon Quest 3 which is to blame for late act twists being so prevalent in RPGs, and especially JRPGs. Obviously twists were invented before 1988, but you have a mega-popular RPG franchise in Japan drop this concept pretty early into the life of console games as we know it, which not only had a direct influence on games but the developers who grew up playing them.
I liked that cliffhanger one! Who reminded me of one of those call of duty games, except it had Clint Eastwood hanging off of cliffs.. and the game didn't so.. probably a coincidence.. also one had a plot, interesting characters etc.. and the other had a snowmobile..
You see this is where you're wrong.. Gene Wilder was in Robin hoodman tights because Gene Wilder is Mel Brooks. They've always been the same, a twin form that separates for the camera before recombination.. eventually, One would absorb the other, credit where it's due they looked upon this as a partnership and it was held at bay far far longer than one would have expected.
Both the Monkey Island games and the Pirates of the Caribbean were influenced by the novel "On Stranger Tides" (which Pirates unfortunately tried to adapt in one of the sequels)
Another influence was Sam Peckinpah. He was a director who made a lot of violent films and one of his trademarks was that when someone got shot, which happened a lot, the scene would go into slomo.
Enter the Dragon: Fighting contest on an island. That's most fighting games Aliens/Starship Troopers: Any game with space marines or heavy armour that you can also chalk that up to Robert Heinlein. Dawn of the Dead/I Am Legend/28 Days Later: Any zombie or post apocalypse game. A Boy and His Dog: Jason Robard's weird Americana bunker is basically the Vaults. Indiana Jones: You already know which two characters I'm implying.
It's funny how starship troopers, despite being written for youth had about 99% less cliches than aliens did.. I'm not sure I'm accurate on that figure, as it's not relative given aliens was 100% cliches.. and starship troopers was a rambling rant.. and a pretty good one, considering that it genuinely works regardless of if taken as a commentary on violent hypernationalism and authoritarianism, as well as a proposal of it.. and regardless of how much of a bad mood he was in at the time, still managed to contain some really nifty sci-fi stuff that I really wish would show up more in media.. also I really want that 10 second hypnosis sleep function, ever since I read that I've wanted it desperately lol.. I saw aliens way too old... I saw alien way too young.. by the time I saw aliens, I had already rewatched alien with a very different headspace and appreciation for things. Going from one of the most hyper realistic portrayals of human characters interacting in human ways, with dialogue that matched especially for the time even if it doesn't age as well given how speech has changed over time.. and then you go to aliens.. which is almost the opposite of that.. in addition to the plot being entirely self-sustained by its own on the spot plot devices. I'm very glad I got to know of Bill Paxton as a genuine tour to force actor that he is or was.. because honestly I thought he was possibly some of the worst I had ever seen at the time.. although it's interesting, as a lot of the cliche riddling nonsense in aliens is also in platoon to that movie's detriment.. But that movie has a lot more going for it, and manages to do enough where it matters for people to have very different opinions of it, especially amongst those who served.. Aliens doesn't really earn that by default being fiction, and it really couldn't have done any of the other things, given the kind of movie it was.. could have but that would have been a very different and probably much better and less popular movie.. although that would be an interesting.. now that I think about it? Kind of like starship troopers maybe go figure coming full circle.. showing the horrors of war... In space! I suppose there's always a a back end justification, given that the company seemed to treat them as if private soldiers for their beck and call, and thus perhaps with a corporate structure influencing the training and organization, the best of the best might have a lower bar, even by design perhaps.. But either way you go, it's still a bunch of stupid people creating stupid situations that lead to dire situations that clearly, given the former, these may not be the best folk to handle. And while there's a certain amount of forcing in alien, situations that could have been avoided or should have been avoided etc.. More often than not there is a justification given that at the very least sits in the realm of a realistic response or action from the characters.. who are not colonial Marines of which should be at the very least trained in high stress high risk situations.... And an aliens did so with a much greater knowledge beforehand of the antagonist capabilities. Gosh darn it I just did another IMDb forum rant on aliens again didn't I?
I think because Starship Troopers fell out of main stream by the 2000's but yes Starship Troopers and Aliens predate Warhammer and both are the MI and CM are the original space marines.
As creepy as spiders are.. if you just spend all your time fervently avoiding them in visual and thought.. I guess just going to get worse lol.. also video game spiders, they they usually don't share the same traits of creepiness... Something about the desperate need to make them big monsters. Now valve on the other hand, nailed it with the purple head crabs.. But like a big spider that you can see and hear, that's like half the power right there lol. That being said, for some reason millipedes and centipedes still seem to maintain a certain power I think, possibly because it's harder to see defined features maybe? That and the symbolic nature of rot that they're always associated with. And maybe it's just cuz you don't see him all too often, whereas spiders are everywhere pretty much.. My God what I would give to be able to feel anything Even a fraction as strong as some of these folk do from just the image of a spider lol from pretty much any video game at this point.. or movie. You think video games would be a great opportunity though to start pushing through that fear, as they genuinely don't exist and cannot hurt you, at least not right now anyways.. you got a tongue it like a canker sore, and while they still genuinely creep me out, The more you know the more you know about and the more that image normalizes itself as what it is.. a spider.. most of which are ill-tempered, some are cute, and all of which want nothing to do with you for the most part.. and often show up when you're around simply because they're blind and can't actually see The inherent danger.. oddly enough with the exceptions of the cute ones like jumping spiders. They live a pretty bleak existence, everything wants to kill them including them.. their nature requires vast amounts of resources in order to simply exist, from web spinning or just webbing things in general, to generating the venom that allows them to eat.. it's one of the reasons they show up out of nowhere and just stick around when you've turned the lights on, I mean you just blinded them even further lol and then, being as that you are larger than a mouse in most cases, certainly in North America, you're very much qualified in the predatory category, birds cats rats possums pretty much everybody that eats bugs, loves to get them hands on a spider like any other.. The panic movement when you try to squash them, well that's panic movement because you're trying to squash them.. with a very very last resort in most cases towards a bite, the likes of which they have to weigh out the dose delivered, if they have it at all given they may have just recently fed, at 9 times out of 10 they're not going to win that fight actually 99 times out of 99.2... But they are creepy Don't get me wrong, and I don't want to seem harsh here, especially as phobias are a genuinely real reaction, but.. I guarantee you it'll be one of the easiest things to work past compared to other traumas and actual things that are actually negative in this universe, spiders just aren't one of them.. only reason they're usually shown up in the house on a season in North America at least, they're trying to find another spider. To do you know.. things.. and as such, you can often solve and or create safe spaces by just simply clearing out cobwebs and cleaning those areas upon which they will have nothing to really trace and follow.. there are many spiders they behave differently in many cases and you know always watch your hands before you stick them into dark holes obviously.. Just like a scorpions in New Mexico, check your shoes lol.. I always do.. But just a breakdown, I know the whole they're more scared of you thing than you are of them thing doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things when said.. you scare them so much... There is a very real possibility they will die simply from the encounter depending on how it goes just by the sheer difficulty of obtaining food and having to use what they had in the moment.. and again this is really generalizing to North America, but it is largely how that goes. Granted, if they're running around following the silk tender road, they probably are more than competent at surviving up to that point just to get that big.. But think of how many spiders set up in your bathroom, waiting for something to happen, weeks and weeks on end.. Just saying.. I don't know why.. This one I'm rambling, but seriously though get over it... Unless you got an Indiana Jones level of spiders dumped on you at a young age or some sort of actual real trauma resulting from it or from them.. approaching life like that is just.. like I can only imagine it's going to hit other areas, and there's never been more resources and more capabilities especially with video games to actually start a process that more than likely will help you out in life beyond.
Movie wise… maybe Aliens franchise. However, Dungeons and Dragons PnP is the biggest influence on gaming by a light year. Character levels : D&D, RPGs : D&D, 90% of Fantasy D&D, next time you are playing Modern Soldier Amry shooter boy of Duty honor ops warfare and you rank up… D&D Of course, one also needs to realize that D&D would not exist without Tolkien so… in a round about way LOTR is the biggest influence, but not the movies.
I think another influence, mainly in stuff like Halo or Gears of War. Robert Heinlein, influential sci-fi author, wrote stuff like Starship Troopers gave concepts of stuff like the power armour or the HUD.
Wait a minute!? Are you saying that RPG mechanics... Might have stemmed... From the most influential table top role-playing game largely credited with inspiring the development and proliferation of that game style, the likes of which were attempted to be directly mirrored in some of the earliest and most influential video games as well as the development forward of that industry in tandem? No..... No way.. it's got to be a coincidence.. everybody knows that multiplayer ranking came from social hierarchies established in American high schools.. silly.
Also given the topic at hand, being as to which movies had influences on video games.. I'm going to throw this one out there, the d&d movie.. probably didn't have as much shaping on call of duty then you might think lol.. although I loved it at the time! And the new one is quite good!
JM8 with all the offensive and wrong hot takes today. 1. Gene Wilder was not AI he narrated his own audiobook. 2. Stanley Kubrick did not abuse his actors, including the late Ms. Duvall. FFS man.
Well for the Gene Wilder bit, he said “i don’t know for sure, I may be wrong, allegedly” multiple times, and for Kubrick Marty immediately corrected him. FFS
Not to be that guy, but the Shining was definitely created on abuse. Not physically sure, but if you aren't aware, Kubrick did some horrible shit to Duvall. To the point where I'd still call it abuse.
Hey guys, just wanted to say I very much appreciate everything y'all do. Every single one of ya. Much love.
Metroid was inspired a lot by Alien(s). A lot of early sci-fi games on the NES and etc were. It comes up a lot on Jeremy Parish's NESworks.
I arrived at 37 minutes. Between 37 and 40 minutes, I asked Yahtzee if he knew about Run Lola Run, the film that inspired Majora's Mask. About 42:45, here's Marty's reponse. BTW, thanks for the memories and for all the talk about how movies inspired video games so much, especially for the time loop mechanic.
I just looked it up and the narration in the Gene Wilder doc was taken from the audiobook of his memoir from 2005.
Same here. If it's that early, AI wasn't up to the task yet.
@@elmuneco5108 The documentary he's talking about only came out last year so I can understand why he might have thought that. Was easy to check though.
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I'm surprised no one brought up Blade Runner. Sure, Neuromancer and other 80ties/90tíes cyberpunk novels delivered the themes, but Blade Runner set the aesthetic for Sci-Fi distopia for many games.
Live chat brought it up plenty of times, to be fair
They did mention it, specifically in relation to establishing an aesthetic for cyberpunk cities with a hodgepodge of cultures crammed together (signs in english and chinese, etc.)
@@astro6009 Must have missed it, thanks!
I swear in I Am Legend, in the scene where they attack the house, the same sound from Gears of War plays when the enemies show up.
Matrix also took a big influence from Grant Morrisons The Invisibles comic. To the point where supposedly, copies of it were issued out to staff on set to use as reference
On twist endings (around 1:28:00) - I heard a very good case once that it's Dragon Quest 3 which is to blame for late act twists being so prevalent in RPGs, and especially JRPGs. Obviously twists were invented before 1988, but you have a mega-popular RPG franchise in Japan drop this concept pretty early into the life of console games as we know it, which not only had a direct influence on games but the developers who grew up playing them.
Those of us sitting in the Kurt Yurt know about Soldier. You don't want to get into a Russel Tussle with the Kurt Yurt.
It's always funny to me when people bring up the 6th Sense as if it was a new idea when it's derivative of and lesser to Jacob's Ladder.
Started playing the Remarstered edition of Red Faction on Switch. Its a perfect total recall game
"Into the Eagle's Nest" is a very obscure answer, both a great Commodore game and a Clint Eastwood movie
I liked that cliffhanger one! Who reminded me of one of those call of duty games, except it had Clint Eastwood hanging off of cliffs.. and the game didn't so.. probably a coincidence.. also one had a plot, interesting characters etc.. and the other had a snowmobile..
You see this is where you're wrong.. Gene Wilder was in Robin hoodman tights because Gene Wilder is Mel Brooks. They've always been the same, a twin form that separates for the camera before recombination.. eventually, One would absorb the other, credit where it's due they looked upon this as a partnership and it was held at bay far far longer than one would have expected.
Dying for them to mention Mad Max and Fallout
Missed opportunity to dub the Russell fans 'Kurtains'
Also: I learned recently that H.R. Giger did the cover of ELP's 'Brain Salad Surgery'
the original medal of honor had Spielberg per the whole saving private ryan thing
Both the Monkey Island games and the Pirates of the Caribbean were influenced by the novel "On Stranger Tides" (which Pirates unfortunately tried to adapt in one of the sequels)
Michael Biehn from Terminator, not Kurt Russel from Escape from NY. Also remind Nick that it's Peter Weller playing Robocop. I'll never forgive him.
Obra Dinn was a game that revealed one of its stories in reverse.
John Woo's action films were a huge influence on action games.
Another influence was Sam Peckinpah. He was a director who made a lot of violent films and one of his trademarks was that when someone got shot, which happened a lot, the scene would go into slomo.
1:26:45 I loved this movie
43:41 Returnal
Loved Romulus so much!
Enter the Dragon: Fighting contest on an island. That's most fighting games
Aliens/Starship Troopers: Any game with space marines or heavy armour that you can also chalk that up to Robert Heinlein.
Dawn of the Dead/I Am Legend/28 Days Later: Any zombie or post apocalypse game.
A Boy and His Dog: Jason Robard's weird Americana bunker is basically the Vaults.
Indiana Jones: You already know which two characters I'm implying.
It's funny how starship troopers, despite being written for youth had about 99% less cliches than aliens did.. I'm not sure I'm accurate on that figure, as it's not relative given aliens was 100% cliches.. and starship troopers was a rambling rant.. and a pretty good one, considering that it genuinely works regardless of if taken as a commentary on violent hypernationalism and authoritarianism, as well as a proposal of it.. and regardless of how much of a bad mood he was in at the time, still managed to contain some really nifty sci-fi stuff that I really wish would show up more in media.. also I really want that 10 second hypnosis sleep function, ever since I read that I've wanted it desperately lol..
I saw aliens way too old... I saw alien way too young.. by the time I saw aliens, I had already rewatched alien with a very different headspace and appreciation for things. Going from one of the most hyper realistic portrayals of human characters interacting in human ways, with dialogue that matched especially for the time even if it doesn't age as well given how speech has changed over time.. and then you go to aliens.. which is almost the opposite of that.. in addition to the plot being entirely self-sustained by its own on the spot plot devices.
I'm very glad I got to know of Bill Paxton as a genuine tour to force actor that he is or was.. because honestly I thought he was possibly some of the worst I had ever seen at the time.. although it's interesting, as a lot of the cliche riddling nonsense in aliens is also in platoon to that movie's detriment.. But that movie has a lot more going for it, and manages to do enough where it matters for people to have very different opinions of it, especially amongst those who served..
Aliens doesn't really earn that by default being fiction, and it really couldn't have done any of the other things, given the kind of movie it was.. could have but that would have been a very different and probably much better and less popular movie.. although that would be an interesting.. now that I think about it? Kind of like starship troopers maybe go figure coming full circle.. showing the horrors of war... In space!
I suppose there's always a a back end justification, given that the company seemed to treat them as if private soldiers for their beck and call, and thus perhaps with a corporate structure influencing the training and organization, the best of the best might have a lower bar, even by design perhaps.. But either way you go, it's still a bunch of stupid people creating stupid situations that lead to dire situations that clearly, given the former, these may not be the best folk to handle.
And while there's a certain amount of forcing in alien, situations that could have been avoided or should have been avoided etc.. More often than not there is a justification given that at the very least sits in the realm of a realistic response or action from the characters.. who are not colonial Marines of which should be at the very least trained in high stress high risk situations.... And an aliens did so with a much greater knowledge beforehand of the antagonist capabilities.
Gosh darn it I just did another IMDb forum rant on aliens again didn't I?
For a more recent example, Squid Games compelety took over Roblox.
30:05 Darksiders III
“The Game”
Bruce Lee flick in a tower with boss battles
What about Starship Troopers?
I think because Starship Troopers fell out of main stream by the 2000's but yes Starship Troopers and Aliens predate Warhammer and both are the MI and CM are the original space marines.
As creepy as spiders are.. if you just spend all your time fervently avoiding them in visual and thought.. I guess just going to get worse lol.. also video game spiders, they they usually don't share the same traits of creepiness... Something about the desperate need to make them big monsters. Now valve on the other hand, nailed it with the purple head crabs.. But like a big spider that you can see and hear, that's like half the power right there lol.
That being said, for some reason millipedes and centipedes still seem to maintain a certain power I think, possibly because it's harder to see defined features maybe? That and the symbolic nature of rot that they're always associated with. And maybe it's just cuz you don't see him all too often, whereas spiders are everywhere pretty much.. My God what I would give to be able to feel anything Even a fraction as strong as some of these folk do from just the image of a spider lol from pretty much any video game at this point.. or movie.
You think video games would be a great opportunity though to start pushing through that fear, as they genuinely don't exist and cannot hurt you, at least not right now anyways.. you got a tongue it like a canker sore, and while they still genuinely creep me out, The more you know the more you know about and the more that image normalizes itself as what it is.. a spider.. most of which are ill-tempered, some are cute, and all of which want nothing to do with you for the most part.. and often show up when you're around simply because they're blind and can't actually see The inherent danger.. oddly enough with the exceptions of the cute ones like jumping spiders.
They live a pretty bleak existence, everything wants to kill them including them.. their nature requires vast amounts of resources in order to simply exist, from web spinning or just webbing things in general, to generating the venom that allows them to eat.. it's one of the reasons they show up out of nowhere and just stick around when you've turned the lights on, I mean you just blinded them even further lol and then, being as that you are larger than a mouse in most cases, certainly in North America, you're very much qualified in the predatory category, birds cats rats possums pretty much everybody that eats bugs, loves to get them hands on a spider like any other..
The panic movement when you try to squash them, well that's panic movement because you're trying to squash them.. with a very very last resort in most cases towards a bite, the likes of which they have to weigh out the dose delivered, if they have it at all given they may have just recently fed, at 9 times out of 10 they're not going to win that fight actually 99 times out of 99.2...
But they are creepy Don't get me wrong, and I don't want to seem harsh here, especially as phobias are a genuinely real reaction, but.. I guarantee you it'll be one of the easiest things to work past compared to other traumas and actual things that are actually negative in this universe, spiders just aren't one of them.. only reason they're usually shown up in the house on a season in North America at least, they're trying to find another spider. To do you know.. things.. and as such, you can often solve and or create safe spaces by just simply clearing out cobwebs and cleaning those areas upon which they will have nothing to really trace and follow.. there are many spiders they behave differently in many cases and you know always watch your hands before you stick them into dark holes obviously.. Just like a scorpions in New Mexico, check your shoes lol.. I always do..
But just a breakdown, I know the whole they're more scared of you thing than you are of them thing doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things when said.. you scare them so much... There is a very real possibility they will die simply from the encounter depending on how it goes just by the sheer difficulty of obtaining food and having to use what they had in the moment.. and again this is really generalizing to North America, but it is largely how that goes. Granted, if they're running around following the silk tender road, they probably are more than competent at surviving up to that point just to get that big.. But think of how many spiders set up in your bathroom, waiting for something to happen, weeks and weeks on end.. Just saying.. I don't know why.. This one I'm rambling,
but seriously though get over it... Unless you got an Indiana Jones level of spiders dumped on you at a young age or some sort of actual real trauma resulting from it or from them.. approaching life like that is just.. like I can only imagine it's going to hit other areas, and there's never been more resources and more capabilities especially with video games to actually start a process that more than likely will help you out in life beyond.
My favourite word is quietus, meaning the gentle and peaceful release from life.
It's true, the rats pass away quite peacefully :-)
Movie wise… maybe Aliens franchise. However, Dungeons and Dragons PnP is the biggest influence on gaming by a light year. Character levels : D&D, RPGs : D&D, 90% of Fantasy D&D, next time you are playing Modern Soldier Amry shooter boy of Duty honor ops warfare and you rank up… D&D
Of course, one also needs to realize that D&D would not exist without Tolkien so… in a round about way LOTR is the biggest influence, but not the movies.
I think another influence, mainly in stuff like Halo or Gears of War. Robert Heinlein, influential sci-fi author, wrote stuff like Starship Troopers gave concepts of stuff like the power armour or the HUD.
Wait a minute!? Are you saying that RPG mechanics... Might have stemmed... From the most influential table top role-playing game largely credited with inspiring the development and proliferation of that game style, the likes of which were attempted to be directly mirrored in some of the earliest and most influential video games as well as the development forward of that industry in tandem?
No..... No way.. it's got to be a coincidence.. everybody knows that multiplayer ranking came from social hierarchies established in American high schools.. silly.
Also given the topic at hand, being as to which movies had influences on video games.. I'm going to throw this one out there, the d&d movie.. probably didn't have as much shaping on call of duty then you might think lol.. although I loved it at the time! And the new one is quite good!
@@JackWse crazy right? : )
Whats the name of the game that's like hotline miami? I couldn't understand what yahtzee was saying and I want to play it
@@stevethompson4348 OTXO
Otxo, pronounced "ocho"
51:05 "I know, that I know nothing".
JM8 with all the offensive and wrong hot takes today. 1. Gene Wilder was not AI he narrated his own audiobook. 2. Stanley Kubrick did not abuse his actors, including the late Ms. Duvall. FFS man.
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Well for the Gene Wilder bit, he said “i don’t know for sure, I may be wrong, allegedly” multiple times, and for Kubrick Marty immediately corrected him. FFS
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Not to be that guy, but the Shining was definitely created on abuse. Not physically sure, but if you aren't aware, Kubrick did some horrible shit to Duvall. To the point where I'd still call it abuse.
@@renegadebrigade8177 no, that's a popular myth that keeps getting spread on the Internet for decades by now
Ayyyyyyy it's Jm8. Love to see you returning. Hope you're not overworking or anything.
Maybe it’s still summer break at the college he teaches at?