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@@captainteeko4579 it was the grandmother they always say that katara is similar looking to her gran gran also makes more sense from the timeline since hakoda (sokka's and katara's dad) is in his mid 30s and the woman in the flashback was also around 30 by the current time the woman in the would be too old for hakoda
I have no idea why these people don't understand how generations work. Everyone thinks it's Katara's mother, or that General Iroh is Zuko's son. 60 fucking years is 3 generations.
@@MontgomeryWenisyeah they were saying that Sozin was Zuko’s grandfather even though it’s been 100 years since Roku died. Sozin was probably 70 during that time so it just doesn’t make sense
A cool thing about the fight between hama and katara is when katara slapped the water back she took an earthbending stance of 'standing your ground. Toph has influenced her.
18:12 okay so The reason Hama looked so astonished and surprised? In waterbending, waterbenders use their opponent's strength against them, it's about the push and pull. But the stance and action Katara took here? That was an earthbending move. Stand your stance and stop it. Remember what Iroh said to Zuko? It's important to draw inspiration from every bending, that's how he learned how to redirect lightning after all. Katara was affected by Toph in a way, and used an earthbending stance here and Hama never saw it coming. Brilliant.
"It was over 60 years ago." Flashback> "Is that their mother?" "Probably is." Katara tells a story about her mother's 9 year old friend. Sees a 80 year old woman "Maybe she is Nini."
@@sinfia9775None of the reactors I've seen understand how generations work. 60 years is three full generations, comfortably. It's the exact same thing with General Iroh in Korra. Katara is a little old lady, her and Aang's children are all greying, their oldest granddaughter is almost Korra's age, and then they see Iroh as a strapping young man and think, "oh that's Zuko's son!" 🤦♂️
Hama and Jet help to perfectly show how complex the themes and characters of the show are. It’s not just good (water tribes) and evil (fire nation)- there are complex characters affected by the war who do what they need to survive, who try to exact revenge on those who hurt them, which includes attacking the innocent. What a show!
@@jakeperalta3493 The themes in LOK are a lot more mature and nuanced. Which makes sense since the characters start are late teens/early 20s. A major part is showing that all sides have conflict have some good reason or justification for their actions. It becomes a problem when the sides got too extreme. But you can always learn from your enemies.
Hama is the same age as Gran Gran, not their mom. If Hama was a little girl when their mom was little then she would look significantly younger when meeting the Gaang. Remember how young Katara and Sokka’s dad looked? Unless he’s into cougars, I don’t think he’d be shacking up to someone who is nearly 30 some years older than him 😂
@Amber Reed yeah Iv seen other reactors make the same mistake as well. I dont get how they would think that younger woman was Sokka and Katara's mother when Hama just said it was 60 years in the past. Surely their mother wouldn't have been as old as Hama lol
Of you notice Katara didn’t redirect Hana’s attack she stood her ground and stopped it like an earth bender. She’s learning from Toph training Aang like Iroh learned to redirect lightning from watching water benders
First time viewers: huh I wonder since the human body is mostly made of water could the waterbenders BEND THE HUMAN BODY?! Veterans: who's gonna tell em?
Gets even darker when you realize Hama suggested you could take the blood (water) out of the body when Katara mentions plantbending, and she planned to do a mass water extraction with all those fire nation people.
I respect hama’s strength a lot. She lost everything and everyone yet she still stands strong even at her old age. She still thought she was the last waterbender until she met katara. Living that long with no hope is hard
It no wonder she became so cold and bent on revenge. She never had any glimmer of hope. She never had friends. She had no one but her thoughts and what the fire nation did to her. They created the monster Hama came out to be
There is a theory that Katara's mom was killed when Hama escaped because the fire nation was scared that there was any other southern tribe waterbender with abilities like those of Hama
Sozin wiped out the air nomads to kill the Avatar; his son Azulon (Ozai and Iroh's father) went after the waterbenders and tried to wipe them out too because the next element in the Avatar Cycle was water, so if Sozin had succeeded the next Avatar would've been a waterbender.
Hama in her prime must’ve been a beast, you really wonder why she didn’t put her talents to better use. If she had ever journeyed back home to the Southern Water Tribe, she could’ve protected the village and potentially Katara would never have lost her mother.
Could she have made it out, though? On foot? A prisoner with no documentation? She'd have to live in the Fire Nation for a bit to have it figured out and even then, it would be a trek to get to a boat that would take you to the south pole. What Fire Nation person is going out there, outside of the military? Maybe if she goes through the Earth Kingdom but no guarantees a place that insular would let her out again. A regular person who can't fly would have a hard time
@@Kaldurahm1 Where there’s a will, there’s a way, simply put. She isn’t a regular person. By that point, she’s a master water bender with a completely unknown and unchallenged bending style. I have no doubt she could’ve made her way across Fire Nation territory and linked up with either of the Water Tribes.
The girl who looks like Katara was Gran-gran as to what the healer of the northern tribe said to Katara, she's the spitting image of Kana. Gran-gran is Kana.
Bloodbending is to Waterbending like Lighting is to Fire Bending. Both are special techniques, that not everyone can have or learn. But Waterbending is still OP though.
A lot of people initially think hamma is their moms friend, but forget the timeline. Hamma said 60 years ago, the gang is around 14-16 their mom would not be 60+. But we DO see their gram gram in her flashbacks with the hair loops, she would be around Hannah’s age
But I feel like gran gran at the point would be in the northern water tribe. Hamma seems like she’s 15 or 16 at this point. Same age as Yue would be. So idk if Gran Gran was here yet. Plus I think the hair loopies is just sum people wear, it’s not sum to differentiate characters but idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052They look closer to 20, but the timing adds up regardless. We know from the first episode that Kanna has that hairstyle, but even more importantly is that we can see she has the betrothal necklace.
One nice theory I know for this episode is that Hama is indirectly the reason why Katara and Sokka's mom was killed. With a southern water bender known to do such a thing as bloodbending, they likely would have wanted to minimize the chances of there being another one like her. So when the Fire Nation heard of there being another bender in the south, they would have come to kill, not imprison.
It’s a great, and I think accurate, theory. It’s also heavily implied here that water benders could pull the water from human bodies (if they were strong enough) just the way Hama did those flowers. And of course the sequel series (eventually) shows an equally dark ability one of the other bending factions are capable of.
But they stated in the episode that Hama discovered and developed this skill in prison And I would somehow expect that Sokka and Katara would have known of this technique if it was used at the water tribe. Secrets only stay secrets for so long. The order of the elements is Fire-Air-Water-Earth. I think the Fire Nation just wanted to make sure to take the next Avatar with them. You know, just in case Air somehow survived a whole genocide. This would also explain why they constantly had a small army patrolling the northern watern tribe. The finale of book one wasn't the fire nation going to full-on war with the water tribe. It was "just" an attack.
Remember that we don't know about the killing bc of searching for a bender thing!!!! That's a spoiler for the future episode 3x16 They don't know why or how she was killed yet, put a spoiler warning pls
One thing I wanted to add because some reactors get confused but hama was not nini. She may have known gran gran but nini was their mom's age so wouldn't have been around when those initial raids happened
"You're not the only one who draws power from the Moon." I have a headcanon that in this moment, Yue IS actively powering Katara up beyond normal. The VERY first episode of this Season, we see her helping Aang, and even encouraging him. And when she became the Moon Spirit, her last words to Sokka "I'll always be with you." Was her showing that she accepted she couldn't be with Sokka. But wanted him to move on and be happy. And with the Moon being the first Waterbender, it would make it the Patreon of Waterbenders. So I think she was watching this, saw Katara getting overwhelmed and knew how it'd affect Sokka, and was just like, "I got you." *Gives Katara 3,000 XP*
Low marks for generational clarity, extremely high marks for literally everything else. Love watching you both. ATLA is the gold standard for reactors. You can tell everything about a channel by how they do with Avatar.
Back then this episode aired on Halloween. 🙂 BTW: Pudgey has absolutely the looks to cosplay as Katara, but Spartan strikes me more as the Sokka type, he just needs his "wolf tail" hair. 😁😁
This is my favorite episode out of the series. It gives me goosebumps every time I see it. It’s so awesome seeing Katara going all out and using different bending techniques that throw Hamma off. Also don’t forget Aang already knows how to firebend a little bit. Back in book 1 he found a teacher and then burned Katara by getting carried away and trying to recreate a move he saw. Since then he hasn’t firebend
From the way they animated blood bending, to me it looks like its a form of torture. Having one stronger force pull your body one way while your muscles instinctively contract try to regain control. I imagine it must feel like getting torn apart from the inside out. Not mention taking away someone's free will. As cool as it is, it's a dark power that leaves someone as kind and caring as Katara with an intense moral conflict. Even though it's a war and the fire nation has done truly despicable things, she still wouldn't want to do that to anyone unless there was no other way.
Agreed. While very dark, I could never help but compare blood bending to r*pe. It's literally entering someone's body against their will and forcing them to do things they don't want to. So for Katara to be forced into that position had to be absolutely traumatizing, even if necessary in this one instance.
Yea, but I'd still use it on my enemies. It's an expeditious way to defeat literally anyone. Plus, blood bending doesn't have to be painful. Hama was able to control Sokka and Aang without causing pain. Even Aang said "This feels weird" not "This really hurts". Also, blood bending is probably the safest way to subdue someone. You can force them to the ground and make them pass out. No injury, and minimal pain and your opponent goes to sleep. Sounds like a pretty moral way to fight, tbh.
That girl in the flashback of Hama can't be Kataras mom. She would be as old as Hama. Yall remember how young Sokkas and Kataras dad is, right? I think there was a theory (idk if confirmed) that the girl was probably GranGran since their ages match... You know both being a 100 y.o 😂
Season 3 is also, if you look between the lines, a bit of a "the writers are fucking around"-season. There aren't really meta / homage episodes like 'the beach", "dreams and nightmares", "ember island players" and well this "scary story"-episode. Not saying this as a critique - just that in some ways season 3 doesn't take itself super seriously. Not in the sense that they don't take the themes seriously rather in the sense that they asked "hey you know what would be super fun or awesome to do here?". Basically; if season 2 writers room had coffee, season 3 writers room had beer.
- ATLA does any genre great: detective mystery, cowboy westerns, horror story, - you name it, it smashes it out of the park! - Also at 10:23 - that's likely the exact same Fire Navy ship that Aang and Katara explore in the very first and second episodes of Book 1! As Katara said: ""A Fire Navy ship ... and a very bad memory for my people." A testament to the show's excellent writing: everything is connected! - Perhaps more importantly, this episode continues to debunk the overly simplistic "Fire Nation = bad; everyone else = good" concept. There are good and bad people in every nation. For all their flaws, the civilians of that Fire Nation town didn't deserve to be kidnapped and imprisoned. If Hama had instead used her skills to brutalise Ozai's soldiers (legitimate military targets) in battle, that would be one thing, but attacking defenceless people is inexcusable, no matter where you, or they, are from.
Should keep in mind Katara's only strong enough to use it during a full moon, not necessarily whenever she wants - anyway looking forward to the rest of the season plenty more banger eps on the way! :)
I can never decide if I love or hate this episode. When a kid's show does a 'scary' episode, the reveal is usually that the scary stuff turns out to have benign, funny explanations. The flickering light was just a loose bulb, the howling noise was band practise, that kind of thing. Here, the reveal is actually WAY WORSE than what was being alluded to (spirit world shenanigans). Dozens of kidnapped people were being held in a cave for years to be tortured by a psycho once a month. That's not a scary episode, that's actual horror. I mean, think of the implications. Was she feeding these people? Cleaning their waste? Letting them lower their arms?
The answer is no.. i mean it's a kid show yet so they can't reveal some things in nickelodeon, but they can indicate it and if you are smart enough to pick up.
People often talk about what "good" uses blood bending might have like medicinal but the fact that it can only be used in full moon kinda makes it only useful for fighting. Also can you imagine how much pain you must fell from having your blood violently moving inside your veins? There are veins so thin in the body that only one red cell can pass at a time, with blood bending you could easily burst someone's veins even if it wasnt your intention
@@BhBc8f8I mean yes but they live in a pre-industrial society. If you need a surgery so bad that Blood Bending is the only option you're very likely to die before the next full moon lol.
@@gabrieldossantos1116 Spoiler TLOK showed us that with rigorous practice a master water bender can learn how to blood bend without a full moon. I'm sure with at least a good year or 2 of practice Katara could've mastered this form of blood bending and revolutionized healing. A skilled blood bender could literally seal wounds both outside and inside the body. Blood bending has many more uses besides controlling people.
Also, the boat the Hama and the waterbenders freeze is the same one from episode 1 and 2 where Aang set off the flare. Also Hama is too old to be around the time of her mother. Her grandmother is who she was friends with
And about Aang not being able to get out of Hama's bloodbending, it's because Aang isn't a truly waterbending master at this point, unlike Katara. So Hama was stronger than him in matter of waterbending. That's the only reason why Katara resisted, because she was more trained than Hama was. Hama knew the tricks but in matter of power, Katara is better
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This episode was insane to me, when I first watched it. I actually couldnt believe they would put something like this in a Nickelodeon show. I mean, think about what that means; what you could do to a body with bloodbending. You could do all sorts of harm from the inside, like freeze the blood, or crush organs. You could even draw the blood out, like Hama did with the flowers. It's horrifying to even think about
Come onn Spartann show Pudgey some love man 😂 I know Pudgey is all cool and easygoing and it's quite fun to watch you poke fun at eachother like the time you said you would sacrifice Pudgy to Lord of Light for JS to come back, but saying you wouldn't be with her if you were Zuko...that's just plain cruel 😂
noo!! their got reactions he does give pudgey her flowers haha last week he was going on about why they go so well together you just gotta look at the little moments😁🤣🤣
I wish we could've seen a scene towards the end of the series where Katara visits Hama in prison to let her know that her victory at the end of this episode is a hollow one. Hama may have forced Katara to learn bloodbending, but that DOES NOT mean that Katara is going to follow in her footsteps. When Hama learns that Katara spared the life of the man who killed her mother, has befriended Prince Zuko, and is going to help him rebuild now that the war is over, she realizes that her plan to carry on her vengeance through Katara is screwed. As Katara walks out, rejecting Hama forever, Hama can only scream in impotent rage.
When this episode aired it was around Halloween which made the premise even creepier. When you think about it Hama is the waterbender extreme of what Jet was like. She also used the same type of emotional manipulation that Jet does by bringing up "what the Fire Nation did" to their tribe.
9:54 “It was over 60 years ago when the raids started” I know that one at the moment doesn’t realize what they’re saying but like what? “Is that their mother” really? Maybe it was early in the morning idk 🤷🏾♂️
Its a nice little detail when you look how much bigger the southern watertribe is in the flashbacks of hama compared to the first episode where there was only a few houses. It jus shows how much the war and the capturing of their waterbenders took a toll on them. Just great storytelling again.
Why does EVERY reactor think she's Nini? -_- How old do you think Sokka and Katara's mom was? Do you think she was 60 when she gave birth?? Hama is obviously as old as a grandma. Nini died when their mom was little. Hama was a young adult and still alive in the water tribe. She's obviously an old friend of their grandma.
She said it was over 60 years ago when the first raids happened, it cant possibly be katara's mother, she wouldnt be born yet atp. That girl is gran gran, and hama is not nini
@@ethelann cause she’s OP? Hope you don’t like Toph then, cause no way a 8 year old with no sight would become a master AND be the first to understand and bend metal
@@rexibhazoboa7097 toph had a personal master they may have been keeping her at the dark and teaching her basic techniques but she found a better experience fighting in competitions, not to mention she met the OG earth benders at a young age
@@khedaingush2285 they are prodigies because they had masters training them at a young age, azula, zuko, toph, and aang (aside from him being an avatar, he was trained in the temple)
Hama is a victim who becomes a victimiser, just another example of the cycle of abuse, like Jet, and now Katara has been made a part of it. We can only hope Katara has the emotional strength to not become an abuser herself. This is why we need balance and peace. Even if the Fire Nation is beaten, the danger is that the victors will be people like Hama.
When u reach a certain episode near the end, just remember, everything that happened was Hamas fault. :) it’s not revealed but it makes sense with the timeline.
This episode is the one I often point to when I tell people that this is more of a family friendly show than a kids show. This episode is a straight up mini horror film. I want to say that this is one of my favorite episodes of the show, but it’s honestly impossible to think of an episode that I don’t like
It's what a lot of shows were on kids TV back then were. A lot of people underestimate shows that were on networks like Nick, but they really taught important lessons on serious topics which nowadays for some reason, adults who grew up back then seem to think that the themes were too dark or mature for kids. A sentiment I don't share at all. I loved when nicktoons had spooky episodes for Halloween and such. Some of my faves were the Hey Arnold episodes with tales of a dude being decapitated, or the one about the bride who got cheated on and then murdered her groom and the other woman, before committing suicide.
9:56 "Is that their mother?" - How old do you think their mother is? The story took place 60 years ago... You've seen their father... this woman is about as old as their grandmother... How???
Hamma would be able to escape from prison the same way the next time there's a full moon anyway. She likely didn't even make it to the prison if I had to guess
“It was 60 yrs ago” Spartan and Pudgey: “ oh that must be their mom” Lmao guys, did we not just establish that Hama reminds you of GranGran? How would their mother be alive 60 years ago? That would mean she had Sokka and Katara in her late 40’s which is not common for anyone in the time.
To be fair I was Hama, and I get out the way she did I would go for the fire nation warriors, BUT not the citizens, because fire nation wiped out water-benders and Hama took her anger on normal people. One of my favourite episodes!
Y'all are in the wrong generation. It's not Sokka and Katara's mom you see in the flashbacks, it's Gran Gran. The raids started over 60 years ago, Hama is the age of their Grandma, it's can't be their mom, she isn't even born yet!
The girl who stayed behind in south pole is not their mother, it's their GRANDMOTHER. Hama is clearly much older than Sokka and Katara's parents, there is no way a girl same age as her would be same age as their parents.
I know she hurt the civilians, BUT can you imagine what did she experienced? Remember this is a kids show and producers restricted themselves. You can think what terrible things happen to women in a real life one-sided war. I might be biased, but at least she didn't kill any civilians.
Why do so many reactors think Katara's mom was in Hama's flashbacks? If Katara's mom was alive, no way would she be the same age as Hama. Katara even said that Hama reminded her of her grandmother. Hama said the raids started 60 years ago. Even if the raids lasted for years until Hama herself was finally captured, Katara and Sokka's mom probably still wasn't even born yet. Their father can't be older than 40, 45 at the absolute most.
Appa definitely does not want a steak, as he's a herbivore 😂 He probably didn't like it because the water tribe meal is meant to be gross to outsiders.
Hama wasn't just locked up for decades. Plenty of normal criminals get locked up for decades. She was a victim of genocide. Like she said, they weren't just at war, the Fire Nation was attempting to eradicate their entire culture. That's not to defend her choices here, or bloodbending or anything. But you have to remember how coded and circumspect this show had to be for Nickelodeon.
top 3 episode for me, seeing Avatar take such a dark turn is so cool and the episode is such a vibe. it’s also absolutely gorgeous, the scene where Hama is bloodbending with the full moon in the background gives me chills
The one that you said was probably Kataras mom was probably her grandma because she looked about the same age as Hama and we know Hama’s an old lady so what’s probably their grandma
One of my favorite moments from Master Katara! Some people say the way she stopped the water is an earthbending move but I didn't realize the similarities until someone pointed it out. Hama earned her insanity, but we can't let her be free.
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the ship at 10:23 is the same ship from the first or episode that sent the signal for zuko to find their village
Hama is not Nini. Hama was friends with a then young teenage Gran-Gran.
Most likely it was the grandmother crying in the flashback
@@captainteeko4579 it was the grandmother they always say that katara is similar looking to her gran gran also makes more sense from the timeline since hakoda (sokka's and katara's dad) is in his mid 30s and the woman in the flashback was also around 30 by the current time the woman in the would be too old for hakoda
@@TheMrPeteChannel the question remains who tf is nini still trying to figure that out but maybe katara is just very good at making up storys
Btw, that ship that Hama and the other waterbenders froze in place was the ship Katara and Aang entered in the beginning of season 1
Oooh cool
Yooo wtf I didn’t notice that
The person who looked like katara was gran gran. Back in season 1 when she went to the healing hit the teacher said your the spitting image of kanna
Yes! Good point
I have no idea why these people don't understand how generations work. Everyone thinks it's Katara's mother, or that General Iroh is Zuko's son. 60 fucking years is 3 generations.
@@MontgomeryWenisyeah they were saying that Sozin was Zuko’s grandfather even though it’s been 100 years since Roku died. Sozin was probably 70 during that time so it just doesn’t make sense
I love when avatar gets dark. Nothing like taking what people expect of a kids show and turning it completely on its head
Yeah ,I recently realized, that because Hama escaped ,they killed of kataras mom cuz they afraid to take prisoners
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There should be trigger warnings fr fr
you know im not saying that every cartoon needs to super dark but i like it when the are and trust me some kids like dark stuff
A cool thing about the fight between hama and katara is when katara slapped the water back she took an earthbending stance of 'standing your ground. Toph has influenced her.
Yeah. Definitely took Hama by surprise because it isn't a typical waterbending style.
Not to mention when she flipped hamma with those two water blasts. That was also an earth bending technique.
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@@RogerH_CxP Every video of the puppet master; someone makes this comment as if they’re the first one to notice it.
18:12 okay so
The reason Hama looked so astonished and surprised?
In waterbending, waterbenders use their opponent's strength against them, it's about the push and pull.
But the stance and action Katara took here? That was an earthbending move. Stand your stance and stop it.
Remember what Iroh said to Zuko? It's important to draw inspiration from every bending, that's how he learned how to redirect lightning after all.
Katara was affected by Toph in a way, and used an earthbending stance here and Hama never saw it coming. Brilliant.
fun fact: Hama comes from the greek word ''αίμα'' which means blood.
Love how well researched everything is on this show!
seeing as we're greek that's actually really cool to know! awesome subtle detail
@@SpartanandPudgey had a feeling you guys were Greek (ignoring the name spartan) you just have the Greek attitude. YASOU
"It was over 60 years ago."
Flashback>
"Is that their mother?"
"Probably is."
Katara tells a story about her mother's 9 year old friend.
Sees a 80 year old woman
"Maybe she is Nini."
🤣😅
Yeah quick math doesn't seem to be Spartan and Pudgey's strong points lol
@@sinfia9775None of the reactors I've seen understand how generations work. 60 years is three full generations, comfortably. It's the exact same thing with General Iroh in Korra. Katara is a little old lady, her and Aang's children are all greying, their oldest granddaughter is almost Korra's age, and then they see Iroh as a strapping young man and think, "oh that's Zuko's son!" 🤦♂️
Hama and Jet help to perfectly show how complex the themes and characters of the show are. It’s not just good (water tribes) and evil (fire nation)- there are complex characters affected by the war who do what they need to survive, who try to exact revenge on those who hurt them, which includes attacking the innocent. What a show!
Legend of Korra properly expands this
@@Atlasss97 does it?
@@jakeperalta3493 no it doesn't
@@jakeperalta3493 The themes in LOK are a lot more mature and nuanced. Which makes sense since the characters start are late teens/early 20s. A major part is showing that all sides have conflict have some good reason or justification for their actions. It becomes a problem when the sides got too extreme. But you can always learn from your enemies.
@@SaiyanElf I think they’ve successfully fooled persons into believing that they are. Full disclosure- I’m not a fan of Korra at all
Hama is the same age as Gran Gran, not their mom. If Hama was a little girl when their mom was little then she would look significantly younger when meeting the Gaang. Remember how young Katara and Sokka’s dad looked? Unless he’s into cougars, I don’t think he’d be shacking up to someone who is nearly 30 some years older than him 😂
I always wonder why so many people say that. They aren't the first. reactors to say it. Katara even says "She reminds me of Gran-Gran".
@Amber Reed yeah Iv seen other reactors make the same mistake as well. I dont get how they would think that younger woman was Sokka and Katara's mother when Hama just said it was 60 years in the past. Surely their mother wouldn't have been as old as Hama lol
S & P also keep mixing up Azulon & Sozin.
@@Spongebrain97 many reviewers turn off thier brain watching this show.
Exactly
Of you notice Katara didn’t redirect Hana’s attack she stood her ground and stopped it like an earth bender. She’s learning from Toph training Aang like Iroh learned to redirect lightning from watching water benders
First time viewers: huh I wonder since the human body is mostly made of water could the waterbenders BEND THE HUMAN BODY?!
Veterans: who's gonna tell em?
First time viewers: nah it's way too dark for a kids show, they'd never go there
The Puppetmaster will!
@@oriyanbarnes Nickelodeon: oh u just wait and watch 😏
Gets even darker when you realize Hama suggested you could take the blood (water) out of the body when Katara mentions plantbending, and she planned to do a mass water extraction with all those fire nation people.
Veterans: **Mai and Ty Lee making side-eye glances at each other**
In retrospect, Hama is probably the reason why the Fire Nation stopped taking prisoners.
Fun fact about this episode: the girl you see Hama laughing with in the flashback is actually young Gran Gran, Katara and Sokka’s grandmother
I respect hama’s strength a lot. She lost everything and everyone yet she still stands strong even at her old age. She still thought she was the last waterbender until she met katara. Living that long with no hope is hard
It no wonder she became so cold and bent on revenge. She never had any glimmer of hope. She never had friends. She had no one but her thoughts and what the fire nation did to her. They created the monster Hama came out to be
There is a theory that Katara's mom was killed when Hama escaped because the fire nation was scared that there was any other southern tribe waterbender with abilities like those of Hama
Sozin wiped out the air nomads to kill the Avatar; his son Azulon (Ozai and Iroh's father) went after the waterbenders and tried to wipe them out too because the next element in the Avatar Cycle was water, so if Sozin had succeeded the next Avatar would've been a waterbender.
ohh that's interesting. makes sense
Hama in her prime must’ve been a beast, you really wonder why she didn’t put her talents to better use. If she had ever journeyed back home to the Southern Water Tribe, she could’ve protected the village and potentially Katara would never have lost her mother.
Could she have made it out, though? On foot? A prisoner with no documentation? She'd have to live in the Fire Nation for a bit to have it figured out and even then, it would be a trek to get to a boat that would take you to the south pole. What Fire Nation person is going out there, outside of the military? Maybe if she goes through the Earth Kingdom but no guarantees a place that insular would let her out again. A regular person who can't fly would have a hard time
@@Kaldurahm1 Where there’s a will, there’s a way, simply put. She isn’t a regular person. By that point, she’s a master water bender with a completely unknown and unchallenged bending style. I have no doubt she could’ve made her way across Fire Nation territory and linked up with either of the Water Tribes.
But also katana mother probably does because she broke out and the fire nation stopped taking prisoners as a result
The girl who looks like Katara was Gran-gran as to what the healer of the northern tribe said to Katara, she's the spitting image of Kana. Gran-gran is Kana.
Bloodbending is to Waterbending like Lighting is to Fire Bending. Both are special techniques, that not everyone can have or learn. But Waterbending is still OP though.
I love how Katara's story about little Nini gets EVERYONE. It's one of the best red herrings I've ever seen.
A lot of people initially think hamma is their moms friend, but forget the timeline. Hamma said 60 years ago, the gang is around 14-16 their mom would not be 60+. But we DO see their gram gram in her flashbacks with the hair loops, she would be around Hannah’s age
But I feel like gran gran at the point would be in the northern water tribe. Hamma seems like she’s 15 or 16 at this point. Same age as Yue would be. So idk if Gran Gran was here yet. Plus I think the hair loopies is just sum people wear, it’s not sum to differentiate characters but idk 🤷🏾♂️
@@jeremyrdlamaxima7052They look closer to 20, but the timing adds up regardless. We know from the first episode that Kanna has that hairstyle, but even more importantly is that we can see she has the betrothal necklace.
One nice theory I know for this episode is that Hama is indirectly the reason why Katara and Sokka's mom was killed. With a southern water bender known to do such a thing as bloodbending, they likely would have wanted to minimize the chances of there being another one like her.
So when the Fire Nation heard of there being another bender in the south, they would have come to kill, not imprison.
It’s a great, and I think accurate, theory. It’s also heavily implied here that water benders could pull the water from human bodies (if they were strong enough) just the way Hama did those flowers.
And of course the sequel series (eventually) shows an equally dark ability one of the other bending factions are capable of.
But they stated in the episode that Hama discovered and developed this skill in prison
And I would somehow expect that Sokka and Katara would have known of this technique if it was used at the water tribe. Secrets only stay secrets for so long.
The order of the elements is Fire-Air-Water-Earth. I think the Fire Nation just wanted to make sure to take the next Avatar with them. You know, just in case Air somehow survived a whole genocide. This would also explain why they constantly had a small army patrolling the northern watern tribe. The finale of book one wasn't the fire nation going to full-on war with the water tribe. It was "just" an attack.
Remember that we don't know about the killing bc of searching for a bender thing!!!! That's a spoiler for the future episode 3x16
They don't know why or how she was killed yet, put a spoiler warning pls
I thing this is a spoiler if they didn't watch ep 16 yet
@@arturbernardo7335 they have already ahead as u can see in pinned comment
One thing I wanted to add because some reactors get confused but hama was not nini. She may have known gran gran but nini was their mom's age so wouldn't have been around when those initial raids happened
That was Kanna (Gran Gran) in the flashback.
"You're not the only one who draws power from the Moon."
I have a headcanon that in this moment, Yue IS actively powering Katara up beyond normal.
The VERY first episode of this Season, we see her helping Aang, and even encouraging him. And when she became the Moon Spirit, her last words to Sokka "I'll always be with you." Was her showing that she accepted she couldn't be with Sokka. But wanted him to move on and be happy.
And with the Moon being the first Waterbender, it would make it the Patreon of Waterbenders. So I think she was watching this, saw Katara getting overwhelmed and knew how it'd affect Sokka, and was just like, "I got you." *Gives Katara 3,000 XP*
I don’t know how likely this is to be canon, but I do like the idea.
@@TukaihaHithlec Yea, I know it's probably not. Which is why I said headcanon, but I still enjoy thinking of it whenever I see this episode lol
Low marks for generational clarity, extremely high marks for literally everything else. Love watching you both. ATLA is the gold standard for reactors. You can tell everything about a channel by how they do with Avatar.
Back then this episode aired on Halloween. 🙂
BTW:
Pudgey has absolutely the looks to cosplay as Katara, but Spartan strikes me more as the Sokka type, he just needs his "wolf tail" hair. 😁😁
I like hama. they've done her creepy old woman/witch character beautifully.
This is my favorite episode out of the series. It gives me goosebumps every time I see it. It’s so awesome seeing Katara going all out and using different bending techniques that throw Hamma off. Also don’t forget Aang already knows how to firebend a little bit. Back in book 1 he found a teacher and then burned Katara by getting carried away and trying to recreate a move he saw. Since then he hasn’t firebend
From the way they animated blood bending, to me it looks like its a form of torture. Having one stronger force pull your body one way while your muscles instinctively contract try to regain control. I imagine it must feel like getting torn apart from the inside out. Not mention taking away someone's free will. As cool as it is, it's a dark power that leaves someone as kind and caring as Katara with an intense moral conflict. Even though it's a war and the fire nation has done truly despicable things, she still wouldn't want to do that to anyone unless there was no other way.
Agreed. While very dark, I could never help but compare blood bending to r*pe. It's literally entering someone's body against their will and forcing them to do things they don't want to. So for Katara to be forced into that position had to be absolutely traumatizing, even if necessary in this one instance.
@@angelalurtz3638 I've made that same comparison before. You're literally forcing your will on another person.
@@nathanielreik6617Forcing the _inside_ of another person at that.
Yea, but I'd still use it on my enemies. It's an expeditious way to defeat literally anyone. Plus, blood bending doesn't have to be painful. Hama was able to control Sokka and Aang without causing pain. Even Aang said "This feels weird" not "This really hurts". Also, blood bending is probably the safest way to subdue someone. You can force them to the ground and make them pass out. No injury, and minimal pain and your opponent goes to sleep. Sounds like a pretty moral way to fight, tbh.
That girl in the flashback of Hama can't be Kataras mom. She would be as old as Hama. Yall remember how young Sokkas and Kataras dad is, right? I think there was a theory (idk if confirmed) that the girl was probably GranGran since their ages match... You know both being a 100 y.o 😂
Another banger of an episode 👏🏻
Season 3 is a treat
Season 3 is also, if you look between the lines, a bit of a "the writers are fucking around"-season. There aren't really meta / homage episodes like 'the beach", "dreams and nightmares", "ember island players" and well this "scary story"-episode.
Not saying this as a critique - just that in some ways season 3 doesn't take itself super seriously. Not in the sense that they don't take the themes seriously rather in the sense that they asked "hey you know what would be super fun or awesome to do here?". Basically; if season 2 writers room had coffee, season 3 writers room had beer.
- ATLA does any genre great: detective mystery, cowboy westerns, horror story, - you name it, it smashes it out of the park!
- Also at 10:23 - that's likely the exact same Fire Navy ship that Aang and Katara explore in the very first and second episodes of Book 1! As Katara said: ""A Fire Navy ship ... and a very bad memory for my people." A testament to the show's excellent writing: everything is connected!
- Perhaps more importantly, this episode continues to debunk the overly simplistic "Fire Nation = bad; everyone else = good" concept. There are good and bad people in every nation. For all their flaws, the civilians of that Fire Nation town didn't deserve to be kidnapped and imprisoned. If Hama had instead used her skills to brutalise Ozai's soldiers (legitimate military targets) in battle, that would be one thing, but attacking defenceless people is inexcusable, no matter where you, or they, are from.
the moment you realise 'oh shit, this is dark'
60 years ago and hama looks +20 in the flashbacks so its probably gran gran
During the backstory, that was their Gran Gran that was friends with Hama. She said the raids started 60 years ago
Such a wonderfully dark episode and one of my personal favorites ☺️
Katara levelled up as well
Should keep in mind Katara's only strong enough to use it during a full moon, not necessarily whenever she wants - anyway looking forward to the rest of the season plenty more banger eps on the way! :)
I can never decide if I love or hate this episode. When a kid's show does a 'scary' episode, the reveal is usually that the scary stuff turns out to have benign, funny explanations. The flickering light was just a loose bulb, the howling noise was band practise, that kind of thing. Here, the reveal is actually WAY WORSE than what was being alluded to (spirit world shenanigans). Dozens of kidnapped people were being held in a cave for years to be tortured by a psycho once a month. That's not a scary episode, that's actual horror. I mean, think of the implications. Was she feeding these people? Cleaning their waste? Letting them lower their arms?
The answer is no.. i mean it's a kid show yet so they can't reveal some things in nickelodeon, but they can indicate it and if you are smart enough to pick up.
@@Misternoite And she most likely tortured them and used them like puppets inside the dungeon
This could be waaay worse if the show talked about the sexual implications of this.
@@erikperhs_ It's also the fact that they're being controlled by the blood in their veins and muscles so that would probably be very painful and weird
Bloodbending is so broken. Only another bloodbender can resist it. Everyone else is just screwed. Luckily katara’s not evil
People often talk about what "good" uses blood bending might have like medicinal but the fact that it can only be used in full moon kinda makes it only useful for fighting. Also can you imagine how much pain you must fell from having your blood violently moving inside your veins? There are veins so thin in the body that only one red cell can pass at a time, with blood bending you could easily burst someone's veins even if it wasnt your intention
i mean you can always schedule surgeries for once a month and with U.S healthcare it wouldn't be that much of a difference anyway.
@@BhBc8f8I mean yes but they live in a pre-industrial society. If you need a surgery so bad that Blood Bending is the only option you're very likely to die before the next full moon lol.
@@gabrieldossantos1116 Spoiler
TLOK showed us that with rigorous practice a master water bender can learn how to blood bend without a full moon. I'm sure with at least a good year or 2 of practice Katara could've mastered this form of blood bending and revolutionized healing. A skilled blood bender could literally seal wounds both outside and inside the body. Blood bending has many more uses besides controlling people.
60 years ago. Those 2.
Is that their Mother😂
It must be the Grandmother
The teary eyed girl you saw when Hama was taken prisoner is actually Sokka and Katara's grandma.
Also, the boat the Hama and the waterbenders freeze is the same one from episode 1 and 2 where Aang set off the flare.
Also Hama is too old to be around the time of her mother. Her grandmother is who she was friends with
And about Aang not being able to get out of Hama's bloodbending, it's because Aang isn't a truly waterbending master at this point, unlike Katara. So Hama was stronger than him in matter of waterbending. That's the only reason why Katara resisted, because she was more trained than Hama was.
Hama knew the tricks but in matter of power, Katara is better
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Thanks for another great reaction! This is probably my favorite episode in the entire series.
This episode was insane to me, when I first watched it. I actually couldnt believe they would put something like this in a Nickelodeon show. I mean, think about what that means; what you could do to a body with bloodbending. You could do all sorts of harm from the inside, like freeze the blood, or crush organs. You could even draw the blood out, like Hama did with the flowers. It's horrifying to even think about
The lady you saw Hama with when she was younger was Kataras grandmother
Come onn Spartann show Pudgey some love man 😂 I know Pudgey is all cool and easygoing and it's quite fun to watch you poke fun at eachother like the time you said you would sacrifice Pudgy to Lord of Light for JS to come back, but saying you wouldn't be with her if you were Zuko...that's just plain cruel 😂
It’s close to awkward sometimes. MORE LOVEEEEE
noo!! their got reactions he does give pudgey her flowers haha last week he was going on about why they go so well together you just gotta look at the little moments😁🤣🤣
I see nothing but facts here.
Considering Hama's age, that woman was more Katara and Sokkas Gran-Gran.
LMFAOOO I never noticed that momo was also scared when hama introduces herself
I think the lady who looked like Katara in that flashback was her grandmother Gran Gran.
He will always be "Sparky Sparky Boom Man" to me!
I wish we could've seen a scene towards the end of the series where Katara visits Hama in prison to let her know that her victory at the end of this episode is a hollow one. Hama may have forced Katara to learn bloodbending, but that DOES NOT mean that Katara is going to follow in her footsteps. When Hama learns that Katara spared the life of the man who killed her mother, has befriended Prince Zuko, and is going to help him rebuild now that the war is over, she realizes that her plan to carry on her vengeance through Katara is screwed. As Katara walks out, rejecting Hama forever, Hama can only scream in impotent rage.
When this episode aired it was around Halloween which made the premise even creepier. When you think about it Hama is the waterbender extreme of what Jet was like. She also used the same type of emotional manipulation that Jet does by bringing up "what the Fire Nation did" to their tribe.
9:54 “It was over 60 years ago when the raids started” I know that one at the moment doesn’t realize what they’re saying but like what? “Is that their mother” really? Maybe it was early in the morning idk 🤷🏾♂️
Its a nice little detail when you look how much bigger the southern watertribe is in the flashbacks of hama compared to the first episode where there was only a few houses. It jus shows how much the war and the capturing of their waterbenders took a toll on them. Just great storytelling again.
Why does EVERY reactor think she's Nini? -_- How old do you think Sokka and Katara's mom was? Do you think she was 60 when she gave birth?? Hama is obviously as old as a grandma. Nini died when their mom was little. Hama was a young adult and still alive in the water tribe. She's obviously an old friend of their grandma.
It’s more likely that the girl was Sokka and Katara’s grandmother. Their mother wouldn’t be elderly 😂
She said it was over 60 years ago when the first raids happened, it cant possibly be katara's mother, she wouldnt be born yet atp. That girl is gran gran, and hama is not nini
The way she learned blood bending instantly after only seeing it in action once, GOAT
and that's why katara is my least favorite character on the show 😂
@@ethelann cause she’s OP? Hope you don’t like Toph then, cause no way a 8 year old with no sight would become a master AND be the first to understand and bend metal
@@ethelannbut all of them are prodigies in their element, why u hate katara for it?
@@rexibhazoboa7097 toph had a personal master they may have been keeping her at the dark and teaching her basic techniques but she found a better experience fighting in competitions, not to mention she met the OG earth benders at a young age
@@khedaingush2285 they are prodigies because they had masters training them at a young age, azula, zuko, toph, and aang (aside from him being an avatar, he was trained in the temple)
fun fact: those puppets in the closet at the inn look exactly like some of the people hama locked up in the cave
Hama is a victim who becomes a victimiser, just another example of the cycle of abuse, like Jet, and now Katara has been made a part of it. We can only hope Katara has the emotional strength to not become an abuser herself.
This is why we need balance and peace. Even if the Fire Nation is beaten, the danger is that the victors will be people like Hama.
Mom? Obviusly no, it's 60 years ago, their grandma? Maybe yes.
Spartan, stop being mean to Pudgey. That was so mean to say to her.
our relationship is quite heavy in banter and we both have fun doing it. we aren't people who get offended over little things. it's all in good humour
When u reach a certain episode near the end, just remember, everything that happened was Hamas fault. :) it’s not revealed but it makes sense with the timeline.
Just woke up and saw another episode is out. What a great way to start the day😍
I was just watching someone else’s reaction to start my day off right and then this popped up. Haha
This episode is the one I often point to when I tell people that this is more of a family friendly show than a kids show. This episode is a straight up mini horror film. I want to say that this is one of my favorite episodes of the show, but it’s honestly impossible to think of an episode that I don’t like
It's what a lot of shows were on kids TV back then were. A lot of people underestimate shows that were on networks like Nick, but they really taught important lessons on serious topics which nowadays for some reason, adults who grew up back then seem to think that the themes were too dark or mature for kids. A sentiment I don't share at all. I loved when nicktoons had spooky episodes for Halloween and such. Some of my faves were the Hey Arnold episodes with tales of a dude being decapitated, or the one about the bride who got cheated on and then murdered her groom and the other woman, before committing suicide.
9:56 "Is that their mother?"
- How old do you think their mother is? The story took place 60 years ago...
You've seen their father... this woman is about as old as their grandmother...
How???
That wasn't Katara and Sokka's mom. It was thier grandmother
Hama says she was stolen 60 years ago and she goes wondering if that's their mother...I guess their mother had teleportation delivery...
60 years ago, it was almost certainly their grandmother who was crying.
Hamma would be able to escape from prison the same way the next time there's a full moon anyway. She likely didn't even make it to the prison if I had to guess
btw that wasnt their mother that was their grandmother
“It was 60 yrs ago”
Spartan and Pudgey: “ oh that must be their mom”
Lmao guys, did we not just establish that Hama reminds you of GranGran? How would their mother be alive 60 years ago? That would mean she had Sokka and Katara in her late 40’s which is not common for anyone in the time.
To be fair I was Hama, and I get out the way she did I would go for the fire nation warriors, BUT not the citizens, because fire nation wiped out water-benders and Hama took her anger on normal people. One of my favourite episodes!
Y'all are in the wrong generation. It's not Sokka and Katara's mom you see in the flashbacks, it's Gran Gran.
The raids started over 60 years ago, Hama is the age of their Grandma, it's can't be their mom, she isn't even born yet!
A lot of fan's favorite episode due to how dark it gets. Hope you two enjoyed it!
This was one of my favourite episodes as a kid
The raids were over 60 years ago, so it cannot have been Sokka and Katara's mom.
The girl who stayed behind in south pole is not their mother, it's their GRANDMOTHER.
Hama is clearly much older than Sokka and Katara's parents, there is no way a girl same age as her would be same age as their parents.
The Darkest one yet. I realy love how creeepy this one feels.
I know she hurt the civilians, BUT can you imagine what did she experienced? Remember this is a kids show and producers restricted themselves. You can think what terrible things happen to women in a real life one-sided war. I might be biased, but at least she didn't kill any civilians.
Firstly they confused granfather and GREAT-grandfather. Now they think what 60-80 years old woman is their mother............. Breath. Just breath
Why do so many reactors think Katara's mom was in Hama's flashbacks? If Katara's mom was alive, no way would she be the same age as Hama. Katara even said that Hama reminded her of her grandmother. Hama said the raids started 60 years ago. Even if the raids lasted for years until Hama herself was finally captured, Katara and Sokka's mom probably still wasn't even born yet. Their father can't be older than 40, 45 at the absolute most.
Easily one of the best episodes. Also yes, from the start to the end, Katara goes from a scrub to an actual master.
Appa definitely does not want a steak, as he's a herbivore 😂 He probably didn't like it because the water tribe meal is meant to be gross to outsiders.
Thia Episode creep me out when i first watch it
Hama wasn't just locked up for decades. Plenty of normal criminals get locked up for decades. She was a victim of genocide. Like she said, they weren't just at war, the Fire Nation was attempting to eradicate their entire culture. That's not to defend her choices here, or bloodbending or anything. But you have to remember how coded and circumspect this show had to be for Nickelodeon.
Wait I thought you were siblings…
LMAOOO they do have that vibes 😂😂
Me too😭
Lmao y'all are hilarious. The whole katara/zuko thing where spartan said "nvm I wanna be someone else". 💀 Pudgey's reaction was everything
top 3 episode for me, seeing Avatar take such a dark turn is so cool and the episode is such a vibe. it’s also absolutely gorgeous, the scene where Hama is bloodbending with the full moon in the background gives me chills
10:47 no that's grangran
The one that you said was probably Kataras mom was probably her grandma because she looked about the same age as Hama and we know Hama’s an old lady so what’s probably their grandma
One of my favorite moments from Master Katara! Some people say the way she stopped the water is an earthbending move but I didn't realize the similarities until someone pointed it out. Hama earned her insanity, but we can't let her be free.
When they show young Hama and a woman who looks like katara that’s not their mother but gran gran
1:00 Sparky Sparky Boom boom man
10:47 gran gran, is that you?
"is that their mother?" how old you think their mom was guys? XD that was gran gran.