To me tho at least it made it really hard to use iron sights. Like especially with a gun like the M203 with small iron sights and a big recoil it would make it hard to see anything in a fire fight. Guns like the 40. And the revolver too. The recoil in Pd2 is to high for it to really be useful in most cases. In payday I like that it’s more weighty too but tbh I can’t see shit through them.
yeah the visual recoil and the sounds are rather bland in PD3, takes away a lot of the immersion. It's the same reason why shooting a gun in the recent MW2 game feels much better than in BF2042 or xDefiant.
Most guns wouldn’t kick or punch that hard unless it’s a 7.62x51 or higher, a basic 223. or 5.56x45 kicks like a 22. Long Rifle literally no recoil. Pistols are slightly cause they don’t much counter weight to reduce the recoil
yeah there weren't many games that made guns feel powerful back in the day, imo only Payday 2 and Battlefield bad company 2 /4 did, which is one of the reason I loved these game
Payday 2's were fantastic. The reloads always felt so weighty. The CAR in particular I loved because it was so different from the standard fps AR15 reloads.
I don't really have problems with PD3s animations, they're just different. Instead of being super floaty they're snappy now. But the SFX... That's a MASSIVE downgrade. To this day i feel like PD2s gun sounds and especially the soundscape are truly one of the best.
PDTH/PD2 guns sound way beefier. M308 gradually fell off, in PDTH it feels satisfying but in PD2 it sounds and feels generic, and don't get me started on PD3. I really wish they kept the bolt pull instead of slapping it.
@@smokingcrab2290 idk it's exciting for me, persoanlly i've had enough of the cartoonish fuckery payday 2 had to offer, not that it wasn't fun, i've just played for long enough to want something new, and this is definetly something new
PD2s animation work is vastly superior but anyone who kept up with it knows the animator for PD2 was just way ahead of the competition and he has since left. Even then, PD3 has done a good job at maintaining some decent animation work for its reloads.
@@Cat-kit32Lets also not forget that PAYDAY 2 had an animation overhaul, so even if things don't change by release, they can always improve them later down the line
Animations are a pretty big downgrade but everyone’s trying to do the modern CoD fast tactical reload so it is what it is. Models look pretty good overall. Sound design took a huge step back though. Gunshots in PD3 don’t sound nearly as crisp and weighty as PD2.
the modern tactical animations in cod are a curse, they did it so now everybody else wants to do them, without realising every animator has different styles & methods, so it'll just look like a pale imitation.
payday 2 sound seemed heavily inspired by the movie heat, everything is loud, punchy, reverb trails are nearly equally loud. payday 3 absolutely feels like a downgrade there.
Aside from the animations - I find it neat that now, the grenades from grenade launcher will explode after a slight delay as opposed to instantly on impact.
There's even a perk that makes all your grenades explode on impact (including grenade launchers). So people who prefer that type of explosive can still do that
This makes me wonder how much Simon Viklund leaving impacted the sound design on PD2? If I remember correctly, he wasn't just working on the music, he was lead sound designer overall. I stopped playing around 2017, but Simon left in 2015 if memory serves. Some of the guns showcased here were added after his time, and yet they still sound punchier than PD3. Makes me think this might've been a deliberate stylistic choice to make the guns sound less bombastic, but I'm not really a fan. I hope they're mixed better at launch or in future patches. The PD3 beta had audio issues in general when it comes to sound levels, mixing and playing. Heister dialogue was quiet, Shade would talk over herself many times, and pager/radio response dialogue just flat out wouldn't trigger half the time. Hope they patch it all up at launch or soon after.
@@MomsRavioli i aint coping, i like the new gun sounds and dont care if they get changed, im just pointing out that its a build from april and things may change
PD3 have that “Tacticool” syndrome with the animation that a lot of modern games have where the weapons just shakes too much and the movement is really fast making them lack a sense clarity PD2 animation feels really weighty and it isn’t as snappy as the PD3 one, which result in my opinion a much smoother and clear animation But to each their on, I think the PD3 ones isn’t bad just really bland. It’s the same style of animation that every large game developer since MW2019 does
@@Jo-uy5vfwell sadly is now a trend and of course, Payday 3 could follow it for more people, Payday is not only for OG players, it is also for new players
@@Jo-uy5vf Nah there's a couple outliers like Far Cry 6, Trepang2, WH40K DarkTide, Halo Infinite, Doom Eternal and heck even Valorant I would take over this MW:19 tacticool trend.
I think the opposite, pd2's animation shakes so artificially that it conveys no real weight of the guns. Whereas pd3 tried to mimic mw style realistic vibrations by the weight of the guns and natural human movements, but with much less quality hence you are unsatisfied with.
I know the footage we get from Payday 3 now is from an older build back in April but from what I've seen now the sounds of the shots sound significantly weaker and not as punchy as in Payday 2 and the recoil animations look slow and sluggish. Let's just hope all of those get better when the game is finally released.
Payday 3 seems a lot weaker and "softer" next to Payday 2. The animations and sounds are just not there. The "tracers" look terrible too, either minimize the effect or make the bullets invisible. People who are saying that this is a "beta" I've got news for you. What you see is what you get. Not much is going to change visually. It never did with these betas. The only thing that they can do is most likely make the performance better for both client and the servers. I bet that there will be a developer's update within the first week saying that they will improve the feel of the guns. On the other hand, Payday 2 has been out for 10 years and was getting updates all the time. With new weapons, maps, characters, outfits, reworks etc. If what we saw with Payday 2, I would expect the same treatment for Payday 3 if not better. It's just a shame that the game took some steps backwards with some things.
seeing that payday 2 animations and sounds and glitches never changed in a decade of its release I highly doubt that they'll change both animations and sounds, downgrades are fairly common in games nowadays, ever since mw2019
I really dislike how most FPS nowadays adds screen shake to reloads to make them feel weighty and snappy. I much prefer the smoother and lightweight style of Payday 2.
I think the only problem is the sound, gunshots in Payday 2 are intimidating, they feel real, it just sounds like some random gunshots in fps in Payday 3 (the grenades also sound like a light firework). The rest is good though, not as good as it is in the previous game but that’s fine.
Whilst the recoil weight and animations are a downgrade along with the feeling of a shot, I don’t think the lack of a lot of muzzle flare is a bad thing as I remover not being able to see shit without a suppressor in pd2 in a police assault. Gonna miss you pd2
Guns in Payday 3 feel much heavier and shooting cops has a nice feel to it, as though you are actually making contact. I have sunk 1000s of hours into PD2 but a lot of the guns are reskins and (although they may sound heavy) when shooting them you don't feel the impact of the shot as you do in PD3. Also, each gun now has its own recoil pattern so that should help distinguish the guns from each other in PD3 so we have more diversity and uniqueness in the weapon pool.
@@HarleyMM1328 theres alot of improvements to guns for sure but i dont think anims are one of them. the grenade launcher isnt bad at all but i cant shake the feeling they just shrugged and went with uber realistic cod animations instead of sticking with the classic payday fallout style of works but not exaggerated which goes hand in hand with the tone of the game. recoil patterns are def gonna be good tho im interested in those
payday 2s gun animations fucking blow even after the upgrade man, theyre so low quality and the punchiness is so janky and cheap, theres no movement, it feels so wacky and unbelievable, like a robot arm without the joint to move left or right fired a gun, but all floaty and low quality. and the recoil system in pd2 game sucked shit hard, it barely even existed, and they've clearly improved on that in 3. weird how payday 2 fans are upset theyre actually making the guns feel like guns. yall really are those shooter game nerds who have never shot a firearm in your lives but pretend you know what youre talking about, huh?
Payday 3 is p good. Just the guy who did the second generation of animations in payday 2 was an animating genius. Sadly they left the studio and no other animatior has met that standard
" Weapons shake like crazy and produce more smoke than Snoop Dogg smoking some weed in the Whitehouse " People: " It's sO reAliStic, so WelL done, sUch fAntaStic aniMatiOns, true AAA eXpErieNce, NexT Gen PoWEr is bEing useD so WeLL" Not being a Payday 3 fanboy here, I'm just kinda mad that almost every fps that releases today tries to be or wants to be a Modern Warfare 2019 in terms of how the guns play and how they feel when you shoot and I'm kind of tired of that...
I think the change in animation makes loads of sense from an in game standpoint, the gang has lost bain and are seemingly going into hit and run tactics, meaning they have to be faster on their feet and better with their weapons, plus it seems more real for an experienced group to be good with their equipment but from a development standpoint, i still think PD2 has almost any game beat, including this.
@@ajs3637theres not really anything wrong with it, its just different. also there is some lore implication, if you were in a life or death situation and you had to choose between quickly reloading and reloading slowly, obviously you would go for the fast one
I agree PD2s animation are higher quality, but let me also add they look too smooth, if that makes sense. No guy would reload like this in an intense shootout
tbh they're not a soldier, they're criminal so the smooth reload gives them some of that "bring it on, i'm not afraid to die" arrogant personality. giving them tacticool military reload just didn't quite make sense. Also if we're talking about realism like the guy above said no professional firearm operator will throws mag away.
It’s mainly the greenish tint to the game that bugs me. 2 looks so bright and crisp where as 3 looks gloomy and sanded down. I’m sure it’ll still play great though.
PD3's reloads just look... off. They're to snappy, like someone cut some of the frames out of the reload and they're far to constructed. That and the tracers make the bullets look like they're moving slowly at about 200 feet per second.
@@sogachew2368 Would make sense for Chains to have such animations, since he literally is ex-military, but I guess it would be too much effort and manpower (which is limited, Overkill/Starbreeze being a small studio) to make unique animations for him.
@@sogachew2368robbers that don’t know how to use guns doesnt make any fucking sense. “Tactical reload” does not mean super high grade military reload. Its literally just a different stage of reloading
Always loved payday for weapons and animations, 2nd is still solid. Although they’d need to work a lil more for some new ones, like the revolver (especially aim shots are sorta stiff)
absolutely payday 2. Better animations, better sound design... better gameplay... better everything. The people who say that pd3 is better are just saying that they prefer COD lmao.
Everyone who was waiting for this game praised it before its release, saying that all the mechanics (including the sound!) would be better - how do you like the game? Battlefield 2042 didn't teach you anything?
Payday 2 is so ahead of its time, it still nails the animation, the gunshot sounds and even the graphics are so good for its time, i really hope payday 3 will be a huge step up from payday 2
Not gonna lie, the new animations look really bad to me. Way too jittery, no weight, it feels like a third-person shooter getting a first-person mode. Hopefully these are just temporary, because as it stands these honestly just suck.
The only big difference in the animation I see comes from the recoil control. In Payday 2, the character is like a 12 year-old shooting his dad's gun for the first time. I agree that the punchy feeling is nice, but I think more reasonable recoil control is a welcome trade. Edit: Further into the video I can say for sure that Payday 2 had nicer reloads. The way he brings the "M302" vertical on the mag change is really cool. The tacticool muzzle-always-downrange reloads are kind of boring.
I wish there wasn't a trend in sound design regarding plastic sounding guns, bullets should bang or blap, they shouldn't sound like a 2L plastic bottle hitting a wall.
Neat, so instead of it feeling like Heat where your firearms are dealing fuck loads of damage and are capable of often magnificent firepower depending on the gun/caliber, like in the first and especially second PD, we got Call of Duty esque airsoft guns
How did they absolutely completely ruin the sound design? The punchy bass and the slight shake from the recoil with every round was what made PD2 finally feel so punchy. If I can pinpoint that with zero experience in sound design then I have no idea how people who’s JOB it is couldn’t do it…
The Milkor M32A1 MGL (Piglet) actually has an ejector that could be used or just tip the GL back and the spent casings just drop out. I get they have to balance this but dang, just takes forever to load.
@@AmelpsXett Absolutely not, the game felt different in all the right places and changed up very conventional game mechanics, such as not having a crosshair so you'd have to aim down sights or get a laser mod, how the armor worked, how the health worked, etc. The movement was simple enough without overcomplicating anything with unnecessary vaulting or dodging/sliding mechanics.
@@rightbehindyou9398 there is nothing groundbreaking about removing crosshairs, regenerating armor is just another regenerating health mechanic but balanced for long levels (heists) and there is nothing complicated about vaulting and sliding
Saw someone point this out and it makes total sense. In Payday 2, the guns are being shot in a streetway with close buildings on both sides. In Payday 3, the guns are being shot in a giant open area. In my opinion, the guns should sound worse in an open environment than a closed one. Not sure that it changes much if at all but it certainly doesn't help
I enjoyed PAYDAY2's intimidating gunshots and huge uncontrollable recoil as its own color. However, PAYDAY3 has lost all its characteristics and has become a "common FPS" quality.
I was disappointed with the PD3 animations, I hope they are only test animations since it is a beta. I hope that one day they hire www.youtube.com/@Niphern/featured again
What concerns me, is that on release day, this game could have a very small variety of weapons and heists. THEN, they will add more with dlcs "who knows when and the price of each one" Don't screw it up OVERKILL, please...
It had delayed recoil action, thats why the gun looks like its delayed. It's just not good by any real standard today. It wobbles unrealistically THEN impulses from recoil like a second after the gun fired.@@WindowsDoor
frag grenades really has frags inside, that's cool, but i hope they will update weapon animations... they look weird, i love pd2's weapons animations and sounds
What is it with all these modern games and their hideously slow recoil animations? It looks so floaty and weightless. Not to mention how slow the hammer and slide look on the Signature 40.
I noticed the weapons felt like they have a major lack in punch when shooting along with some of the animations seeming not so polished and fluid as PD2. I do like how they have a sense of urgency for faster relaods as in a compat situation that's what will keep you alive but the smoothness and flow of PD2 seems so much nicer
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Payday 3 All Weapons - ruclips.net/video/p28bWI3Y6zM/видео.html
00:00 SIGNATURE 40
00:42 CASTIGO 44
01:23 SIGNATURE SMG FIK PC9
02:03 CAR4 RIFLE
02:54 M302 / SA A144
03:43 REINFELD 880
04:20 PIGLET MARCOM GL
05:07 FRAG GRENADE
They should add back that punchy feeling when firing. It made guns feel powerful.
To me tho at least it made it really hard to use iron sights. Like especially with a gun like the M203 with small iron sights and a big recoil it would make it hard to see anything in a fire fight. Guns like the 40. And the revolver too. The recoil in Pd2 is to high for it to really be useful in most cases.
In payday I like that it’s more weighty too but tbh I can’t see shit through them.
yeah the visual recoil and the sounds are rather bland in PD3, takes away a lot of the immersion. It's the same reason why shooting a gun in the recent MW2 game feels much better than in BF2042 or xDefiant.
I disagree using iron sight was hard because of that.
Most guns wouldn’t kick or punch that hard unless it’s a 7.62x51 or higher, a basic 223. or 5.56x45 kicks like a 22. Long Rifle literally no recoil. Pistols are slightly cause they don’t much counter weight to reduce the recoil
yeah there weren't many games that made guns feel powerful back in the day, imo only Payday 2 and Battlefield bad company 2 /4 did, which is one of the reason I loved these game
Payday 2's were fantastic. The reloads always felt so weighty. The CAR in particular I loved because it was so different from the standard fps AR15 reloads.
I don't really have problems with PD3s animations, they're just different. Instead of being super floaty they're snappy now. But the SFX... That's a MASSIVE downgrade. To this day i feel like PD2s gun sounds and especially the soundscape are truly one of the best.
PDTH/PD2 guns sound way beefier. M308 gradually fell off, in PDTH it feels satisfying but in PD2 it sounds and feels generic, and don't get me started on PD3. I really wish they kept the bolt pull instead of slapping it.
HEAT movie reverb effect much eh ?
now it sounds like a kid game shooting bb guns
You can really feel Simon Viklund's absence
Pd2 was more cinematic in the sounds and reloads. Seems like they wanted to make pd3 more lifelike, which isn't as exciting.
@@smokingcrab2290 idk it's exciting for me, persoanlly i've had enough of the cartoonish fuckery payday 2 had to offer, not that it wasn't fun, i've just played for long enough to want something new, and this is definetly something new
PD2s animation work is vastly superior but anyone who kept up with it knows the animator for PD2 was just way ahead of the competition and he has since left. Even then, PD3 has done a good job at maintaining some decent animation work for its reloads.
OK let's not lie to ourselves here payday 3 animations and sounds are 3 times worse than pd2, which is something I somehow expected
@@salazar778well hey this the BETA of PD3 so things may be different when PD3 fully releases
@@Cat-kit32Lets also not forget that PAYDAY 2 had an animation overhaul, so even if things don't change by release, they can always improve them later down the line
@@BobotPlayzBobotRebelme when I’m mindless consumer who eats up unfinished product just for the sake of consuming
@@warmination7891 So you don't remember PAYDAY 2's animation overhaul, or are you just obsessed with wojack big chungus reddit nonsense?
Animations are a pretty big downgrade but everyone’s trying to do the modern CoD fast tactical reload so it is what it is. Models look pretty good overall. Sound design took a huge step back though. Gunshots in PD3 don’t sound nearly as crisp and weighty as PD2.
the modern tactical animations in cod are a curse, they did it so now everybody else wants to do them, without realising every animator has different styles & methods, so it'll just look like a pale imitation.
Imo I'd be fine with the animation mainly because how aggressive it is, but the sound is just fucked up
I think the only exception is the grenade launcher
Payday 2 recoil: 😎
Payday 3: 💁💩
Beta is beta, but....really? I don't enjoy shooting in a f*cking shooter
payday 2 sound seemed heavily inspired by the movie heat, everything is loud, punchy, reverb trails are nearly equally loud. payday 3 absolutely feels like a downgrade there.
Aside from the animations - I find it neat that now, the grenades from grenade launcher will explode after a slight delay as opposed to instantly on impact.
There's even a perk that makes all your grenades explode on impact (including grenade launchers). So people who prefer that type of explosive can still do that
I mean why would they have a delay in the explosion? Grenade launcher ammo explodes on impact unless it’s one of the fancy timed/air burst rounds.
@@justabarrelbomb4472Guess their shells are made out of tungsten in PD3.
Those frag grenade effects in PD3 are honestly some of the best I’ve ever seen. Not a lot of games represent the FRAG part of a frag grenade.
What's the Frag part like?
@@cadendicky1855 like the pieces of fragmentation hitting the walls and the ground around it n stuff
@@TrenchMouse oh, okay
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This makes me wonder how much Simon Viklund leaving impacted the sound design on PD2? If I remember correctly, he wasn't just working on the music, he was lead sound designer overall. I stopped playing around 2017, but Simon left in 2015 if memory serves. Some of the guns showcased here were added after his time, and yet they still sound punchier than PD3.
Makes me think this might've been a deliberate stylistic choice to make the guns sound less bombastic, but I'm not really a fan. I hope they're mixed better at launch or in future patches. The PD3 beta had audio issues in general when it comes to sound levels, mixing and playing. Heister dialogue was quiet, Shade would talk over herself many times, and pager/radio response dialogue just flat out wouldn't trigger half the time. Hope they patch it all up at launch or soon after.
The take 2016, code silver 2018...
@@thefumyandthechev Pretty sure Simon delivered those freelance after leaving OVK. Same with the VO for Bain after his departure.
april build
@@mostfinnishperson Copium.
I am sure they just redid all the animations and sounds 5 months before release. Mongoloid.
@@MomsRavioli i aint coping, i like the new gun sounds and dont care if they get changed, im just pointing out that its a build from april and things may change
PD3 have that “Tacticool” syndrome with the animation that a lot of modern games have where the weapons just shakes too much and the movement is really fast making them lack a sense clarity
PD2 animation feels really weighty and it isn’t as snappy as the PD3 one, which result in my opinion a much smoother and clear animation
But to each their on, I think the PD3 ones isn’t bad just really bland. It’s the same style of animation that every large game developer since MW2019 does
Pretty much every FPS games that has come out after MW2019 all the same animations, nothing is original anymore like back in the day
@@Jo-uy5vfwell sadly is now a trend and of course, Payday 3 could follow it for more people, Payday is not only for OG players, it is also for new players
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@@Jo-uy5vf Nah there's a couple outliers like Far Cry 6, Trepang2, WH40K DarkTide, Halo Infinite, Doom Eternal and heck even Valorant I would take over this MW:19 tacticool trend.
I think the opposite, pd2's animation shakes so artificially that it conveys no real weight of the guns. Whereas pd3 tried to mimic mw style realistic vibrations by the weight of the guns and natural human movements, but with much less quality hence you are unsatisfied with.
I know the footage we get from Payday 3 now is from an older build back in April but from what I've seen now the sounds of the shots sound significantly weaker and not as punchy as in Payday 2 and the recoil animations look slow and sluggish. Let's just hope all of those get better when the game is finally released.
Payday 3 seems a lot weaker and "softer" next to Payday 2. The animations and sounds are just not there. The "tracers" look terrible too, either minimize the effect or make the bullets invisible. People who are saying that this is a "beta" I've got news for you. What you see is what you get. Not much is going to change visually. It never did with these betas. The only thing that they can do is most likely make the performance better for both client and the servers.
I bet that there will be a developer's update within the first week saying that they will improve the feel of the guns.
On the other hand, Payday 2 has been out for 10 years and was getting updates all the time. With new weapons, maps, characters, outfits, reworks etc. If what we saw with Payday 2, I would expect the same treatment for Payday 3 if not better. It's just a shame that the game took some steps backwards with some things.
yea I hope the weapon sounds are placeholders in P3 cuz they are pretty bad
I appreciate the detail of primer strikes on the MGL.
Dang that sound design is a real letdown, hopefully that's something they'll get on later when they find the time
seeing that payday 2 animations and sounds and glitches never changed in a decade of its release I highly doubt that they'll change both animations and sounds, downgrades are fairly common in games nowadays, ever since mw2019
@@MadWatcher in this case it's true, payday 2s animations and sounds ds were miles better than the first one, can't say the same for payday 3,
I really dislike how most FPS nowadays adds screen shake to reloads to make them feel weighty and snappy. I much prefer the smoother and lightweight style of Payday 2.
I like the subtle screen shake myself, but I totally get why people wouldn’t like them. Wish it was something we could turn off in options
Payday 2 is ahead of time
ahead of the very concept of time itself? goddamn that must be a good game
Payday 2 is 🔥
Payday 2 for sounds and slightly better animations. They also reduced recoil drastically so thats kinda eh.
On one hand, the gunshot sounds feel less poppy. On the other hand, it makes it easier to listen to the soundtrack.
I think the only problem is the sound, gunshots in Payday 2 are intimidating, they feel real, it just sounds like some random gunshots in fps in Payday 3 (the grenades also sound like a light firework).
The rest is good though, not as good as it is in the previous game but that’s fine.
Guns are not that loud irl, specially the calibers we seen on this video. PD3 is more realistic like it or not.
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@@k1ler4m you serious?
@@TimHawk. Yes
@@k1ler4m surely not
Whilst the recoil weight and animations are a downgrade along with the feeling of a shot, I don’t think the lack of a lot of muzzle flare is a bad thing as I remover not being able to see shit without a suppressor in pd2 in a police assault. Gonna miss you pd2
Guns in Payday 3 feel much heavier and shooting cops has a nice feel to it, as though you are actually making contact.
I have sunk 1000s of hours into PD2 but a lot of the guns are reskins and (although they may sound heavy) when shooting them you don't feel the impact of the shot as you do in PD3.
Also, each gun now has its own recoil pattern so that should help distinguish the guns from each other in PD3 so we have more diversity and uniqueness in the weapon pool.
@@HarleyMM1328 theres alot of improvements to guns for sure but i dont think anims are one of them. the grenade launcher isnt bad at all but i cant shake the feeling they just shrugged and went with uber realistic cod animations instead of sticking with the classic payday fallout style of works but not exaggerated which goes hand in hand with the tone of the game. recoil patterns are def gonna be good tho im interested in those
payday 2s gun animations fucking blow even after the upgrade man, theyre so low quality and the punchiness is so janky and cheap, theres no movement, it feels so wacky and unbelievable, like a robot arm without the joint to move left or right fired a gun, but all floaty and low quality. and the recoil system in pd2 game sucked shit hard, it barely even existed, and they've clearly improved on that in 3.
weird how payday 2 fans are upset theyre actually making the guns feel like guns. yall really are those shooter game nerds who have never shot a firearm in your lives but pretend you know what youre talking about, huh?
Payday 2 weapon sounds be like:
“HEAT” by Michael Mann
Payday 3 weapon sounds be like:
“Hot” by Mike Man
I guess Overkill`s animators are all retired
one of them works with trepang studios now, did all the guns for trepang2.
If you see the most recent weapons in Payday 2, then yes
Payday 2 has vastly superior animation work.
Different styles imo
Each is good
Payday 3 is p good. Just the guy who did the second generation of animations in payday 2 was an animating genius. Sadly they left the studio and no other animatior has met that standard
" Weapons shake like crazy and produce more smoke than Snoop Dogg smoking some weed in the Whitehouse "
People: " It's sO reAliStic, so WelL done, sUch fAntaStic aniMatiOns, true AAA eXpErieNce, NexT Gen PoWEr is bEing useD so WeLL"
Not being a Payday 3 fanboy here, I'm just kinda mad that almost every fps that releases today tries to be or wants to be a Modern Warfare 2019 in terms of how the guns play and how they feel when you shoot and I'm kind of tired of that...
@@TomKruizesI Prefer more if other games used like Killing Floor 2 types animation! :D
@@matrix5051I always thought Kf2's animations looked floaty, like they used mocap but didn't bother with keyframing afterwards.
I think the change in animation makes loads of sense from an in game standpoint, the gang has lost bain and are seemingly going into hit and run tactics, meaning they have to be faster on their feet and better with their weapons, plus it seems more real for an experienced group to be good with their equipment but from a development standpoint, i still think PD2 has almost any game beat, including this.
cringe
😂
Nah there is no lore here, just the devs going into their mw phase.
@@ajs3637theres not really anything wrong with it, its just different. also there is some lore implication, if you were in a life or death situation and you had to choose between quickly reloading and reloading slowly, obviously you would go for the fast one
@@mostfinnishpersonsir or madam, the shotgun reload is literally slower in pd3
is like seeing bf4 vs bf2042 animation
Game ain't even out and we already have videos. Gun reload channels like you fuel me. Bless you.
Makes sense. Everyone in the crew is practically a heisting veteran, so of course they're doing all this snappy tacticool reload stuff.
they been heisting vets since pd2
I think it fits the vibe of the new game better too, payday 2 was always very floaty and light hearted but payday 3 takes cues from PDTH
The gunsounds are getting cheaper.
All the weapons in PD3 feel like Back 4 Blood guns.
Payday 2 animations is so smooth. Satisfactory.
Payday2:real wapon
Payday3:gas BB gun
I agree PD2s animation are higher quality, but let me also add they look too smooth, if that makes sense. No guy would reload like this in an intense shootout
No one will throw out the clip when it is completely empty.
@@Огоньплейyou're correct, because they're using magazines, not clips. Have you forgotten about Charlie's clip roasting sneako for that?
@@ОгоньплейPayday 2 characters still throw the mag even if its not empty, it can be heard
@@ianchoi7142 Nuh i don't know how magazine on English. Since this word has several meanings. Now I know
tbh they're not a soldier, they're criminal so the smooth reload gives them some of that "bring it on, i'm not afraid to die" arrogant personality. giving them tacticool military reload just didn't quite make sense. Also if we're talking about realism like the guy above said no professional firearm operator will throws mag away.
Love how in PD3 the pump action is louder than its shots. Good ol' bang, CHIC-CHIK!, bang, CHIC-CHIK!
It’s mainly the greenish tint to the game that bugs me. 2 looks so bright and crisp where as 3 looks gloomy and sanded down. I’m sure it’ll still play great though.
payday got the kiwami treatment
Civillan: Jesus christ who is making all that noise outside?
Dallas:
Why does Payday 3 have Matrix color palette?
I don't know how I feel about this but Payday 3's animation has that "jittery" effect that was also present in BF2042
I think it has something to do with the amount of key frames within the animation but I don't know, I'm not sure what causes that jittery stuff
I knew that Payday 3 felt like the guns had no impact feeling...
PD3's reloads just look... off. They're to snappy, like someone cut some of the frames out of the reload and they're far to constructed. That and the tracers make the bullets look like they're moving slowly at about 200 feet per second.
Payday 2 animations really feel alive except a few while Payday 3's just look dead and stiff and less loud, really hope they improve on that
I’m rather satisfied that they’ve actually added in literal tactical reload animations in the third game
Payday tactic... nuh man
Bruh
Hmmm.... Military trained robbers? Sounds unlogical to me
@@sogachew2368 Would make sense for Chains to have such animations, since he literally is ex-military, but I guess it would be too much effort and manpower (which is limited, Overkill/Starbreeze being a small studio) to make unique animations for him.
@@sogachew2368robbers that don’t know how to use guns doesnt make any fucking sense. “Tactical reload” does not mean super high grade military reload. Its literally just a different stage of reloading
Another sequel soulless to its predecessor what a surprise
Why does the PD2 look and sound better than the PD3?
Payday 3 is a clear upgrade in graphics.
however in terms of sounds and animation it's a clear DOWNGRADE
As much as I wanna play the game..... I just feel like the guns have no kick to them anymore
the improvement of the piglet actually counting the reload when the next grenade goes in and not after you turn the chamber is a huge W
Wow, it’s not often that after a decade a games animations become worse. Payday 2 had everything better besides the grenades.
Payday 2's weapon reloads had a unique style to them, now it's just COD style reloads, shame.
Payday 2 gun sounds are just AWESOME
Always loved payday for weapons and animations, 2nd is still solid. Although they’d need to work a lil more for some new ones, like the revolver (especially aim shots are sorta stiff)
Payday2 or Payday3 hmmm????
Payday 1
payday 3 in my opinion
Payday 2. The sounds just feel way more impactful.
absolutely payday 2. Better animations, better sound design... better gameplay... better everything. The people who say that pd3 is better are just saying that they prefer COD lmao.
PAYDAY 3 plays a lot better tbh
everyone talking about the animation, me just thinking how superior and deep were the gunshot sounds
I like how the M4 looks in 3
Payday 3 coloring felt like you are wearing sunglasses...
Love that the reload animations now have a bit of camera movement, definitely makes it feel more visceral
Everyone who was waiting for this game praised it before its release, saying that all the mechanics (including the sound!) would be better - how do you like the game? Battlefield 2042 didn't teach you anything?
Payday 2 is so ahead of its time, it still nails the animation, the gunshot sounds and even the graphics are so good for its time, i really hope payday 3 will be a huge step up from payday 2
I like PAYDAY 3's weapons and effects, but I wish they had the sound of PAYDAY 2 guns and how they echoed in a way.
Not gonna lie, the new animations look really bad to me. Way too jittery, no weight, it feels like a third-person shooter getting a first-person mode. Hopefully these are just temporary, because as it stands these honestly just suck.
The only big difference in the animation I see comes from the recoil control. In Payday 2, the character is like a 12 year-old shooting his dad's gun for the first time. I agree that the punchy feeling is nice, but I think more reasonable recoil control is a welcome trade.
Edit: Further into the video I can say for sure that Payday 2 had nicer reloads. The way he brings the "M302" vertical on the mag change is really cool. The tacticool muzzle-always-downrange reloads are kind of boring.
donwgrade in everyway, only thing imo was better was grenade launchers reload
Congratulations Payday, your reloads are now the same as everyone elses.
I hate how slow the pistol recoil is in pd3 I loved how snappy it was in pd2 looks way more realistic
I wish there wasn't a trend in sound design regarding plastic sounding guns, bullets should bang or blap, they shouldn't sound like a 2L plastic bottle hitting a wall.
Neat, so instead of it feeling like Heat where your firearms are dealing fuck loads of damage and are capable of often magnificent firepower depending on the gun/caliber, like in the first and especially second PD, we got Call of Duty esque airsoft guns
Payday 2 animation, cold Calculator killer
Payday 3 animation overenthusiastic blockbuster actor.
This is going sound weird but PD2 has more “Bang!” of guns. while PD3 has more of the “Boom!” of guns
hopefully someone will make mods for the sounds
the camera shaking when reloading is literally nauseating. why do games do this.
There is a drop in quality, but not a massive one. The issue is that there shouldn't be a drop in a newer game, like wtf
The weapons sound a lot more mean and powerful in payday 2
I like the weapon firing sounds more in PD2. It feels punchy and loud.
How did they absolutely completely ruin the sound design? The punchy bass and the slight shake from the recoil with every round was what made PD2 finally feel so punchy. If I can pinpoint that with zero experience in sound design then I have no idea how people who’s JOB it is couldn’t do it…
I really hope they change the animations, I don't like the cod and battlefield mix, it reminds me of b4b
Nobody is mentioning how gutless the sounds are in PD3
Honestly I really like the feel of the new reload animations but the payday 2 ones are great
sound design is what makes PD2 are good, other than that the operator reloads rather slow
The Milkor M32A1 MGL (Piglet) actually has an ejector that could be used or just tip the GL back and the spent casings just drop out. I get they have to balance this but dang, just takes forever to load.
PD2 reloads are much more weighted and feel more satisfying. PD3 sounds and animations feel floaty and weak. Hope the animations get a step up!
Not a fan of how the gloves look in Payday 3. Should have made it like Payday 2.
If they don’t fix all the weapon sound design, animations, and recoil, the game will do terrible
payday 3 definitely lacks the style payday 2 has. the quality is all over the place
Fr, looks like an generic realistic shooter
@@RahRah2535 well pd2 was a generic realistic shooter too at the time it came out
@@AmelpsXetthell, i have seen that the echo on the weapons were loud as fuck like Battlefield 3
@@AmelpsXett Absolutely not, the game felt different in all the right places and changed up very conventional game mechanics, such as not having a crosshair so you'd have to aim down sights or get a laser mod, how the armor worked, how the health worked, etc. The movement was simple enough without overcomplicating anything with unnecessary vaulting or dodging/sliding mechanics.
@@rightbehindyou9398 there is nothing groundbreaking about removing crosshairs, regenerating armor is just another regenerating health mechanic but balanced for long levels (heists) and there is nothing complicated about vaulting and sliding
Saw someone point this out and it makes total sense. In Payday 2, the guns are being shot in a streetway with close buildings on both sides. In Payday 3, the guns are being shot in a giant open area. In my opinion, the guns should sound worse in an open environment than a closed one. Not sure that it changes much if at all but it certainly doesn't help
Modern games tend to soften the gun sounds and i hate it
I agree
I enjoyed PAYDAY2's intimidating gunshots and huge uncontrollable recoil as its own color.
However, PAYDAY3 has lost all its characteristics and has become a "common FPS" quality.
I was disappointed with the PD3 animations, I hope they are only test animations since it is a beta. I hope that one day they hire www.youtube.com/@Niphern/featured again
What concerns me, is that on release day, this game could have a very small variety of weapons and heists.
THEN, they will add more with dlcs "who knows when and the price of each one"
Don't screw it up OVERKILL, please...
8 heists on release and alot more guns that we had in the beta, and we likely wont get dlcs on launch day
There is 4 DLC heists confirmed to be released in the first year as well as weapon and tailor packs.
Not sure how many exactly, but I guess we'll see.
I like how the police on the street are like "Where the hell is this dude shooting from?!'
1:15 goofy ahh revolver recoil
Is it me or are the sounds worse, though?
Agreed, still love the punchier sound design in pd2
Everything was worse :(
1:20 okay this one is just bad
Is not that bad
It had delayed recoil action, thats why the gun looks like its delayed. It's just not good by any real standard today. It wobbles unrealistically THEN impulses from recoil like a second after the gun fired.@@WindowsDoor
hope the animations and sound will be updated in PD3 - cuz currently it felt from like... going from guns to toys xd
frag grenades really has frags inside, that's cool, but i hope they will update weapon animations... they look weird, i love pd2's weapons animations and sounds
I prefer sound punch in PD2
Shooting Sound Pay Day 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>infinite>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shooting Sound Pay Day 3
I love how the frag granades actually look like FRAG granades
Payday 3 guns feel like they missing that oomph that PD2 had
What is it with all these modern games and their hideously slow recoil animations? It looks so floaty and weightless. Not to mention how slow the hammer and slide look on the Signature 40.
the animations were already very good in payday 2, payday 3 they adopted another style completely which i don't think look as good
I noticed the weapons felt like they have a major lack in punch when shooting along with some of the animations seeming not so polished and fluid as PD2. I do like how they have a sense of urgency for faster relaods as in a compat situation that's what will keep you alive but the smoothness and flow of PD2 seems so much nicer