Chris Kimball on the show was literally the home-schooled cook asking the right questions at the right time during every recipe. Now, it's still good info if you just want to follow recipes, but it's also just plain information without those teachable "Eureka!" moments which really did help and inspire me to cook better food at home.
Agreed. ATK's original space was too small, so they went to a newer larger space. How scandalous!! How shocking!! They test the recipes lots of times and lots of ways! Boy, didn't see THAT one coming. The hand models are asked to get manicures once in a while. Boy, I'm glad they told us all about that one. Fairly good piece, way overblown headline.
ATK has helped me more times than I can count. I've saved a lot of money, learned a lot of great recipes along with cooking tips watching ATK. Love that channel.
This ridiculous video simply describes what’s going on at every media company in America. And there’s not even a single example of anyone “desperately trying to hide” anything. 🙄
Au contraire, and I believe you captured the hidden agenda in your phrase, "every media company." Christopher Kimball may have inadvertently created a media company, but he ran it like a cooking laboratory with its own professional journal. When ATK found itself awash in success, Big Media came calling. It turned a cruise ship into a naval cruiser, a visionary quest into a search and destroy mission. Granted, the facilities are better, but were followers aware of any facility deficits in the "old days?" Were there labor problems and anti-union rhetoric to digest? Were there major cutbacks and layoffs? But this is, as you suggest, a typical American business story. As President Coolidge preached, "The chief business of the American people is business." Our only quest is for the American dollar. Christopher Kimball cared about the best recipes for baked beans. David Nussbaum cared more for counting beans.
When you get away from all that off screen CRAP that happens to most T. V. programs You'll find a really great cooking show that has taught me so many tricks and recipies that have made my life more enjoyable.......The women and men that do all the cooking are a pleasure to watch like when I was a little kid watching mom make all those goodies that we all love to eat......BRAVO to A. T. K.......
I agree. It's a great cooking show, and the same can be said of Cook's Country. Actually, Christopher Kimball's Milk Street is really good too. I used to watch a lot of Food Network, but to a large degree they've gotten away from instructional programming, so I pretty much stick to the PBS cooking shows. I've learned a lot from them.
I literally didn’t know how to boil an egg when I first got married. Now I’m an accomplished home cook (if I do say so myself!) and I credit the magazine and the show and all its iterations for 90% of that knowledge!
Desperately trying to hide. Yet you give quotes from each ATK person about each question you raised. Why would they talk about them if they were trying to hide them?
I love Cook's Country / America's Test Kitchen. I have learned so much from their 24 years and have become a much better cook because of their recipes and their explanation of the science behind cooking. I have also tried and purchased many of their equipment recommendations based on their testing. There isn't an organization on Earth that doesn't have some flaws and as long as they aren't intentionally screwing over their employees I will continue to watch CC/ATK.
@@1OKToni No, the job of a CEO is to whine about hard-working people wanting to be paid a larger fraction of the value they create through actual effort.
This is a very sad story. It is like a person who built an amazing brand, went public and got fired from their own idea and labors! 😢Think twice before selling out, look what happened to ETSY! 😏
It happens all the time. It should be a big lesson. Don't take your company public! Disney, WWE, Etsy, and there are many others where the person who created the company gets kicked out by the board after going public.
@HopeLaFleur1975 Etsy was a site created to help artisan craftsman sell their wares, but in recent years, it's become a marketplace seller of crap goods in order to appease shareholders and make a bigger profit. The problem is that many people have stopped shopping on the platform because you're not sure of the quality of the goods anymore. There was an article out a few days ago stating that they wanted to get back to their roots and go back to selling only craft goods!
It sounds like chatgpt did the transcript for this with computer generated audio. The result and the accompanying visuals are finally just barely good enough. Does this mean we are at an inflection point in computer generated content?
Love the magazine and the show. I also like Milk Street and am glad they have resolved their disagreement. I’m sorry that Kitchen appears to underpay their staff, hoping that unionizing will fix problems there.
But what is the pay? Remember when the San Diego fast food workers went on strike because $16/hr wasn’t enough? Now a lot of them are out of work because companies can’t pay $20/hr and still be in business.
They aren't paid well for Boston. $20 - $21 as test cook starting out. ATK doesn't have a particularly good reputation as an employer in Boston either.
@@a.mathis9454shareholders and executives are more important than workers. In the 70s, CEOs made 23x more than the average worker. Now CEOs make 300x the average worker and often cash out after 5-7 years. McDonalds CEO received almost $14M in stocks and options, $1.3 million salary and another $4.4 million in incentives. He also received $356,706 in “all other compensation,” which includes use of the company’s aircraft, contributions to retirement plans and other compensation. The CFO package was $10M while the foreign and American president compensation averaged $8M.
All of their main employees make vary good money. I'm not sure what their behind the scenes staffers make but their major and minor personalities make very, very good money!
As a former Teamster I recommend staying away from any union. The only people unions help are the union executives and their families and friends. The rank-and-file workers pay dues for almost nothing in return.
I like ATK's product tests and recommendations. My observation is that the on-air personalities are .... not skinny. I could never warm up to Kimball. I'm not sure why. I like ATK better without him. What a curious thing to hear Kimball has never worked in a commercial kitchen.
Look around at the food youtubers and you'll find a lot them are film and communications majors who needed something to video themselves doing and picked one of the easiest things with low effort and high variation. Babish, Alex, Adam Ragusea, etc. Even before RUclips, Alton Brown did it.
Our son was quite disappointed when Kimball was no longer on Cooks or ATK. It’s not quite the same without him. But our son still watches both. He isn’t a fan of milk street & neither am I. I’ve read independent commentaries on the controversy. It intimated that Kimball was indeed forced out against his will. They pretty much just wanted him to be a figurehead without much say. He got a pretty raw deal. Whether or not he stole names from the mailing list? Who knows? As for “stealing” the concept? He INVENTED the concept! So, there’s that.
I used to watch the show every Saturday when it was on PBS. But it always seemed like they over complicated everything and used way more pans and dishes than necessary. I guess if I had a kitchen full of minions to wash and clean up after me I'd use every dish in the place too.
It's a cooking show. They always use extra pans. That's what TV magic is. They have only a certain amount of time to make the dishes. So they will have one that is already done or just about. Because most of the dishes that they cook take longer than the show to make. That's why they encourage you to look up the recipe and follow it there. You don't seriously think they are making everything from scratch like that in their normal lives do you? As for the over complicating things...they really don't. But tell me you don't know how a cooking show works without telling me you don't know how a cooking show works.
American companies are built on the backs of its workers labor. Workers deserve a living wage. Unfortunately greed has taken over our corporate culture and while the top get astronomical salaries, the workers suffer. I see the reason for the union and am glad staff diversity is part of it. I ❤ the show.
Not all workers are worth a "living wage." One then has to wonder exactly how to define "living" with regard to "wage." Considering how many people live above their means, does that mean that employers have to support that as well?
@@Marcel_Auduboncan you prove that it's not? Provide proof that every single person that works there makes a liveable wage and then we can talk about a poorly sourced video.
I do love that @americastestkitchen had a big 25th anniversary show, with clips from all the various long-ago seasons... and not ONE MENTION of picture or whiff of Chris Kimball. 😅
Classic Boston approach., interesting that they don’t expand to creating cost effective and healthy recipes for food service entities. Could do podcasts for restaurants that pay subscription and pay to use the recipe.? Just thoughts . And with a built in marketing test of 50 k volunteers the restaurant would get a great deal of consumer acceptance. Sorry guys I am copyrighting this Copyright R kreamer 2024 all rights reserved. Cheers to Suffolk University Law School class of 71.
I dont even like meat loaf but my America's Test Kitchen version is delicious and I have never once not been asked for the recipe by someone trying it for the first time at my house
My mother purchased subscriptions to Cook’s for my sister and I in the early 80’s and renewed it annually as a Christmas gift for the next 20 years. It was Kimball’s child and I have never forgiven what they did to him. It’s the way of the world…more the pity
What a joke of a headline. All of this was known as it happened. There was nothing here I didn't already know because I love ATK and because I watch their stuff online religiously, I would get news headlines in Google News about what was going on. What constitutes "desperately trying to hide"?
I think AK has become a better show, but I enjoy do Milk Street. It has more of an international flavour and I feel it suits Chris better. The only thing I don't like is the artificial banter between Chris and the chefs. It was evident in AK as well with Chris but, not with Bridget or Julia.
I just recently discovered both of these shows after cable cutting and finding that the "create" network is broadcast on a digital sub-channel of my local PBS station. Both Milk Street and America's Test Kitchen are staples and I have to admit, love them both.
I don't think it's better or worse; it's just different. What irked me was that ATK's 25th anniversary didn’t mention Mr. Kimball at all. Just because there was a dispute doesn't mean treating him like he never existed at the beginning.
Christopher Kimball was the show. Without him it's been a lame Duck. The interest is gone. It's a shadow of it's former self even though I like Bridget, Julia, Jack, and Adam. The fun of the show was watching the batter that took place between Christopher and Jack in the taste test segments. This is the trouble when a company goes from private to public. All continuity disappears.
ATK & DISNEY, "Believe" that the privilege of working for the Brand is a form of compensation. The worker bees of each company can move on to another company and bankroll from the experience.
this show was good before and after he left, just different -- one observation or criticism at times I have is some of these recipes or techniques are very long and perhaps should be streamlined or shortened to fit today's busy life style even if one sacrifices a bit of flavor
A strange Lawsuit, since Christopher Kimble was the Originator of the Whole concept of COOK'S Illustrated Magazine, the TV Show, and the Cook book. It would be nice if there was an "UPDATE"-- a thinner, annual book, that could be purchased to complete your collection each year; instead of having to buy the WHOLE BOOK every couple of years, to update the collection. In Canada, the Cook's Country Cook Book and the America's Test Kitchen TV Cookbooks have always been $50.00 and $52.00 each plus tax. This year they have gone up in price again. As a PBS doner, we could use a discount maybe?!? 😊
I have followed ATK for years, bought their monthly publications at my grocery store checkout lines. When the series first appeared on PBS and then on RUclips, I realized that Kimble's arrogance was, to me symbolized with his bow tie. He had a condescending way of addressing the camera and they others on the set. I have learned so much over the years, but I have to say I'm glad he is gone. The only thing I learned from him was how to talk down to a camera
Your one good point is that they sued him - they were afraid of letting him have his own continuing idea, and they owned the rights to his previous (same) idea. They should have just worked harder, let Chris be Chris, and see who excelled...
Never cared for Chris Kimball and I don't miss him at all. Love Bridget and Julia, personally I like the show a lot better now that Kimball has gone. The man seemed to have an attitude I didn't care for.
Not really, he was seeking fame and, there was too many cooks in the kitchen! Hint,; he’s all about himself and, on America’s Test Kitchen he had to share the spotlight with several others! 6:12
Christopher Kimball made the magazine what it was but the shows just grew beyond him. It's better he left and found a new outlet that suits him and ATK is better now without him.
WHAT?! Christopher Campbell is not a professional chef?! SHOCKER! Knock me over with a feather! This is obvious to anyone with 2 brain cells. His skills set seems to be providing inane, unnecessary commentary, while waiting with his knife and fork to eat what the actual chefs have made. HOW he has maintained employment longevity on not one, but 2 shows is the real shocker.
Narcissists: The world must revolve around and adapt to me. I'm not taking my talents to where I'll get paid nor will I learn skills that employers will pay a high dollar for. Words narcissists use: union/unionize, solidarity, scab labor. Tactics narcissists use: Finger point, blame, gaslight, peer pressure, violence against the innocent, burn, loot murder.
Friction because they brought in someone to “supervise” the founder? Sounds like micromanaging to me and if the overseer was female, even worse (I’m a 70 yo lady and every horrible boss I ever had was a woman). As for Kimball, he always seemed too arrogant; after he left, the on air demonstrator/cohosts seemed much more relaxed. ATK has given us excellent recipes and appliance reviews are helpful and I have quite a few well used ATK cookbooks and saved some favorite magazines for years 😊. ATK should be employee owned with profit sharing.
I have had a crush on Bridget forever. Kimbell was not a nice person to work by all accounts for and was too naive a businessman. Adds up to trying fix your mistake and no one has your back. And just like when they replaced Darren on Bewitched or Marilyn Munster, no one noticed....
"too naive a businessman" - he built a minor cooking empire when at the same time, they just said that in the beginning, he actually couldn't really cook. That's not a good business man?
Sounds like there are a lot of employees who should quit and find better jobs. Also, if they moved the production to Arkansas the production cost would be less and so would the gripping.
When ATK went public and brought in new leadership, I told my co-worker then Kimball would be gone. That NEVER works out for the founder at ANY company. Amazing, unexpected, shocking...NOT! Bring in a union, demand more money and jobs are lost! So much for more money! Just like all these people in CA are learning about what $20/hr wages for unskilled work is doing for them. Stores closing, jobs gone, robots and automation replacing them. Nobody was forced to work there. If they didn't like the wages, LEAVE! If enough people were leaving, by simple laws of supply and demand, wages would have to change to keep staff. It's not a government job, its private, if you're good, negotiate better terms for YOURSELF. Now if you work harder, the slacker get the same wage as you do, because the UNION says so. Unions had their place 100 years ago and in small cases of dangerous jobs, but for the most part they've become just a slush fund for the leftists and the democrat party.
@@alfgwahigain5544 I'm IN a union and wish I wasn't. I've been in plenty of them! Including IATSE which is a NEEDED one because of the dangers in that area. But as you're probably a leftist liberal, you of course LOVE all the monies that siphoned off of peoples paychecks to support all the leftist trash that union leadership pushes. Where were the unions when Biden trashed all the pipelines? Those were UNION jobs! Where were the unions as car plants were shut down to send over to Mexico or cut back because the EV's don't require as many workers to build? The REALITY is I'd rather negotiate based upon my value than have some person TELL me that my work is the same as another person who puts in HALF the effort, just because they have the same title. I saw this when I was at a federal depot and a UNION worker was making over 80k to simply drive around a golf cart! While others had to make up for his work. Or the school teacher who couldn't be touched because of the UNION that protected him, even though his "work" was to write on the board, what chapters to read and to do the questions at the end, while he read newspapers ALL DAY! Yep, THAT is the REALITY!
When Kimble was pushed out, I stopped watching ATK after a couple episodes. His hosting skills is what made the show. When he left, the show was just bland.
Totally agree. This video says nothing about how staff cheered when he left. He financially ran ATK into the ground, which is why they had to bring in outside investors, who naturally wanted to get the business back into the black. This is such a hit-piece. I have to do a sarcastic little “boo-hoo” to the whole unionization thing: the employees unionized an outfit that barely made any money, negotiating higher salaries and benefits, then feigned surprise that the staff (from a completely superfluous unit) had to be downsized in response.
The whole cranky Vermont guy schtick grew very tiresome. Haven't missed him at all - he seems to have toned it down for Milk Street, which seems a much better fit for him.
The two ladies they have now are just lovely, but you could tell the minute Chris Kimball was no longer with ATK. Things changed and part of the approach was different. As with so many things in the world today, the minute some conglomerate bought it and starting 'putting their stamp on it' (read: messing with something that was working just fine before they joined it) the quality was diminished. Very sad.
Unions increase labor costs, lay-offs result. Well, of course. That's hardly surprising. Greed? Sure. Greed is the reason for the existence of just about every business. All that means is that investors who can get 4 or 5% return on their capital in 100% safe investments expect considerably higher returns when they take on more risk. Otherwise, why take the risk? There may be one in 1,000 businesses that start up for the purpose of giving employees good-paying jobs and don't care about profits, but they rarely last long.
Unions get people paid fairly and prevent safety from being a myth. Payroll has never been large enough to be the cause of a company's failure. Layoffs happen because products don't meet with adequate demand. Look at marketing decisions. Look at excessive CEO pay packages. And look at how much money shareholders are bleeding from the treasury (dividends, share buybacks) without producing a penny of value.
When Kimball left, he took the soul of the show with him. The hosts are nothing but accessories. Kimball provided a lead and had a nice procrastinating edge to the show they since lost. Also just recently ATK announced a major layoff. The CEO there clearly did not understand what made this show good.
I never like Milk Street... I stopped watching America's Test Kitchen after he left. I'm not sure what or how he brought what ever he did bring. But after his leaving wasn't a fan. The two gals that do the hosting now, I liked when they were the cooks. Not so much as the host.
ATK has NEVER been as good since Kimball left. Bridget, Julia, and Adam are great, but some of these others they've shoe-horned into the line-up are just plain annoying. Milk Street isn't perfect, but at least it isn't the dish-watery thing that ATK has become.
Unintended consequences of making too many demands on your employer. Layoffs. also, union's commitment to diversity will kill this show. DEI always means hiring less qualified people over better qualified.
I’m sure some people will be upset by my comment not that I really care but I don’t care how good the show is if they cannot treat the people that make the show possible right I am through with them and have followed Chris to milk Street.
People demanded all these benefits when they unionized and then they laid off 10% of their staff. It is almost like unionizing increases expenses and then makes working their more exclusionary.
Do you think ATK changed for better or worse after Kimball's departure?
I've gotten used to it...I miss Kimball and Landcaster and their comedy magic. Chris would have moved on, anyway. Just as well...
ATK is better without Kimball.
Worse. 😟
Better
Way better. He’s an ass on camera. I love the Milk Street recipes but I just can’t stomach Kimbell.
Chris Kimball on the show was literally the home-schooled cook asking the right questions at the right time during every recipe. Now, it's still good info if you just want to follow recipes, but it's also just plain information without those teachable "Eureka!" moments which really did help and inspire me to cook better food at home.
Ridiculous click-bait headline.
I have to agree
Agreed. ATK's original space was too small, so they went to a newer larger space. How scandalous!! How shocking!! They test the recipes lots of times and lots of ways! Boy, didn't see THAT one coming. The hand models are asked to get manicures once in a while. Boy, I'm glad they told us all about that one. Fairly good piece, way overblown headline.
Yet...somehow...you are here 😂😂
ATK has helped me more times than I can count. I've saved a lot of money, learned a lot of great recipes along with cooking tips watching ATK. Love that channel.
This ridiculous video simply describes what’s going on at every media company in America. And there’s not even a single example of anyone “desperately trying to hide” anything. 🙄
Mashed is desperately looking for clicks.
@@timdelaney2798 So that's why they're re-hashing a story that's already widely known.
Au contraire, and I believe you captured the hidden agenda in your phrase, "every media company." Christopher Kimball may have inadvertently created a media company, but he ran it like a cooking laboratory with its own professional journal. When ATK found itself awash in success, Big Media came calling. It turned a cruise ship into a naval cruiser, a visionary quest into a search and destroy mission. Granted, the facilities are better, but were followers aware of any facility deficits in the "old days?" Were there labor problems and anti-union rhetoric to digest? Were there major cutbacks and layoffs?
But this is, as you suggest, a typical American business story. As President Coolidge preached, "The chief business of the American people is business." Our only quest is for the American dollar. Christopher Kimball cared about the best recipes for baked beans. David Nussbaum cared more for counting beans.
I just HATE!!! misleading RUclips video titles!!!! That's a word I seldom ever use for anything, but damn it! It's just wrong because it is lying.
When you get away from all that off screen CRAP that happens to most T. V. programs You'll find a really great cooking show that has taught me so many tricks and recipies that have made my life more enjoyable.......The women and men that do all the cooking are a pleasure to watch like when I was a little kid watching mom make all those goodies that we all love to eat......BRAVO to A. T. K.......
Even in paradise, you have problems.
I agree. It's a great cooking show, and the same can be said of Cook's Country. Actually, Christopher Kimball's Milk Street is really good too. I used to watch a lot of Food Network, but to a large degree they've gotten away from instructional programming, so I pretty much stick to the PBS cooking shows. I've learned a lot from them.
I literally didn’t know how to boil an egg when I first got married. Now I’m an accomplished home cook (if I do say so myself!) and I credit the magazine and the show and all its iterations for 90% of that knowledge!
Desperately trying to hide. Yet you give quotes from each ATK person about each question you raised. Why would they talk about them if they were trying to hide them?
Clicks!
People REALLY need to stop taking these titles so seriously…
@@QueenOfTheNorth65 I watch something based on the title. If the title is misleading I am going to say so.
Because internet.
You musta missed the first part. 😂
What do you mean? America's Test Kitchen and Cooks Country have been paid to be on PBS for decades and they are sponsored.
I love Cook's Country / America's Test Kitchen. I have learned so much from their 24 years and have become a much better cook because of their recipes and their explanation of the science behind cooking. I have also tried and purchased many of their equipment recommendations based on their testing. There isn't an organization on Earth that doesn't have some flaws and as long as they aren't intentionally screwing over their employees I will continue to watch CC/ATK.
How much money does ATK's CEO make per year...and how many recipes do they create, develop and share to earn that salary?
That is not the job of a CEO
@@1OKToni No, the job of a CEO is to whine about hard-working people wanting to be paid a larger fraction of the value they create through actual effort.
They come on Saturday morning and I never miss a show. Wish I could eat there. Bridget and Julia are like your favorite family.
This is a very sad story. It is like a person who built an amazing brand, went public and got fired from their own idea and labors! 😢Think twice before selling out, look what happened to ETSY! 😏
It happens all the time. It should be a big lesson. Don't take your company public! Disney, WWE, Etsy, and there are many others where the person who created the company gets kicked out by the board after going public.
What happened to Etsy
@HopeLaFleur1975 Etsy was a site created to help artisan craftsman sell their wares, but in recent years, it's become a marketplace seller of crap goods in order to appease shareholders and make a bigger profit. The problem is that many people have stopped shopping on the platform because you're not sure of the quality of the goods anymore. There was an article out a few days ago stating that they wanted to get back to their roots and go back to selling only craft goods!
Look up the history of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield
People who do the least always make the most. Do as little as possible and become a shareholder.
You have no idea what you're talking about. But hey, you keep fighting for that $15/hr.
@@kinjunranger140 He told you the absolute truth. But hey, you keep trolling for that extra 0.01%
Their SET always looks like heaven to me. I don’t know why, but it does. I guess on TV, and on the Internet, nothing is really what it seems.
Workers underpaid so you know they lowballed Christopher.
How much do you think he should be paid?
It sounds like chatgpt did the transcript for this with computer generated audio. The result and the accompanying visuals are finally just barely good enough. Does this mean we are at an inflection point in computer generated content?
You didn't think they weren't going to punish those who voted in the union, did you? This Nussbaum guy sounds like a real charmer...
Love the magazine and the show. I also like Milk Street and am glad they have resolved their disagreement. I’m sorry that Kitchen appears to underpay their staff, hoping that unionizing will fix problems there.
But what is the pay? Remember when the San Diego fast food workers went on strike because $16/hr wasn’t enough? Now a lot of them are out of work because companies can’t pay $20/hr and still be in business.
They aren't paid well for Boston. $20 - $21 as test cook starting out. ATK doesn't have a particularly good reputation as an employer in Boston either.
@@a.mathis9454shareholders and executives are more important than workers. In the 70s, CEOs made 23x more than the average worker. Now CEOs make 300x the average worker and often cash out after 5-7 years. McDonalds CEO received almost $14M in stocks and options, $1.3 million salary and another $4.4 million in incentives. He also received $356,706 in “all other compensation,” which includes use of the company’s aircraft, contributions to retirement plans and other compensation. The CFO package was $10M while the foreign and American president compensation averaged $8M.
All of their main employees make vary good money. I'm not sure what their behind the scenes staffers make but their major and minor personalities make very, very good money!
As a former Teamster I recommend staying away from any union. The only people unions help are the union executives and their families and friends. The rank-and-file workers pay dues for almost nothing in return.
I love this show . Has changed the way we cook.
Did we really need to see a close-up of someone flossing?
It's the AI.
Yeah, that was disgusting.
gross
I like ATK's product tests and recommendations. My observation is that the on-air personalities are .... not skinny. I could never warm up to Kimball. I'm not sure why. I like ATK better without him. What a curious thing to hear Kimball has never worked in a commercial kitchen.
Look around at the food youtubers and you'll find a lot them are film and communications majors who needed something to video themselves doing and picked one of the easiest things with low effort and high variation. Babish, Alex, Adam Ragusea, etc. Even before RUclips, Alton Brown did it.
Our son was quite disappointed when Kimball was no longer on Cooks or ATK. It’s not quite the same without him. But our son still watches both.
He isn’t a fan of milk street & neither am I.
I’ve read independent commentaries on the controversy. It intimated that Kimball was indeed forced out against his will. They pretty much just wanted him to be a figurehead without much say. He got a pretty raw deal.
Whether or not he stole names from the mailing list? Who knows?
As for “stealing” the concept? He INVENTED the concept! So, there’s that.
Kimbal
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I liked the show with Kimball, but I absolutely love it with Bridget & Julia.
I used to watch the show every Saturday when it was on PBS. But it always seemed like they over complicated everything and used way more pans and dishes than necessary. I guess if I had a kitchen full of minions to wash and clean up after me I'd use every dish in the place too.
It's a cooking show. They always use extra pans. That's what TV magic is. They have only a certain amount of time to make the dishes. So they will have one that is already done or just about. Because most of the dishes that they cook take longer than the show to make. That's why they encourage you to look up the recipe and follow it there. You don't seriously think they are making everything from scratch like that in their normal lives do you?
As for the over complicating things...they really don't. But tell me you don't know how a cooking show works without telling me you don't know how a cooking show works.
Can you send your mortgage company leftovers? These people need to be paid better.
American companies are built on the backs of its workers labor. Workers deserve a living wage. Unfortunately greed has taken over our corporate culture and while the top get astronomical salaries, the workers suffer. I see the reason for the union and am glad staff diversity is part of it. I ❤ the show.
You're speaking absolute TRUTH. Our Murican necrotic stage capitalism is just-plain cancerous. The cult of infinite greed.
Not all workers are worth a "living wage." One then has to wonder exactly how to define "living" with regard to "wage." Considering how many people live above their means, does that mean that employers have to support that as well?
I am sad to hear that they were not paying people satisfactorily. I have been a long-time fan and enjoy Cooks Country.
you accept that is fact from this poorly made, poorly sourced video? "I am sad to hear THAT"
@@Marcel_Auduboncan you prove that it's not? Provide proof that every single person that works there makes a liveable wage and then we can talk about a poorly sourced video.
I do love that @americastestkitchen had a big 25th anniversary show, with clips from all the various long-ago seasons... and not ONE MENTION of picture or whiff of Chris Kimball. 😅
Classic Boston approach., interesting that they don’t expand to creating cost effective and healthy recipes for food service entities. Could do podcasts for restaurants that pay subscription and pay to use the recipe.? Just thoughts . And with a built in marketing test of 50 k volunteers the restaurant would get a great deal of consumer acceptance. Sorry guys I am copyrighting this
Copyright R kreamer 2024 all rights reserved. Cheers to Suffolk University Law School class of 71.
I never knew it was that involved! Great show!
I dont even like meat loaf but my America's Test Kitchen version is delicious and I have never once not been asked for the recipe by someone trying it for the first time at my house
Need to rename this channel as ‘Slandered’. Can’t wait for another channel to expose all of mashed misgivings
My mother purchased subscriptions to Cook’s for my sister and I in the early 80’s and renewed it annually as a Christmas gift for the next 20 years. It was Kimball’s child and I have never forgiven what they did to him. It’s the way of the world…more the pity
What a joke of a headline. All of this was known as it happened. There was nothing here I didn't already know because I love ATK and because I watch their stuff online religiously, I would get news headlines in Google News about what was going on. What constitutes "desperately trying to hide"?
I think AK has become a better show, but I enjoy do Milk Street. It has more of an international flavour and I feel it suits Chris better. The only thing I don't like is the artificial banter between Chris and the chefs. It was evident in AK as well with Chris but, not with Bridget or Julia.
I just recently discovered both of these shows after cable cutting and finding that the "create" network is broadcast on a digital sub-channel of my local PBS station. Both Milk Street and America's Test Kitchen are staples and I have to admit, love them both.
Thanks for this tip! I just hit record on both!
I don't think it's better or worse; it's just different. What irked me was that ATK's 25th anniversary didn’t mention Mr. Kimball at all. Just because there was a dispute doesn't mean treating him like he never existed at the beginning.
Christopher Kimball was the show. Without him it's been a lame Duck. The interest is gone. It's a shadow of it's former self even though I like Bridget, Julia, Jack, and Adam. The fun of the show was watching the batter that took place between Christopher and Jack in the taste test segments. This is the trouble when a company goes from private to public. All continuity disappears.
Banter
ATK & DISNEY, "Believe" that the privilege of working for the Brand is a form of compensation. The worker bees of each company can move on to another company and bankroll from the experience.
You can tell in the video that not very many on the show stayed in good shape. No different then the rest of us.
this show was good before and after he left, just different -- one observation or criticism at times I have is some of these recipes or techniques are very long and perhaps should be streamlined or shortened to fit today's busy life style even if one sacrifices a bit of flavor
A strange Lawsuit, since Christopher Kimble was the Originator of the Whole concept of COOK'S Illustrated Magazine, the TV Show, and the Cook book. It would be nice if there was an "UPDATE"-- a thinner, annual book, that could be purchased to complete your collection each year; instead of having to buy the WHOLE BOOK every couple of years, to update the collection. In Canada, the Cook's Country Cook Book and the America's Test Kitchen TV Cookbooks have always been $50.00 and $52.00 each plus tax. This year they have gone up in price again. As a PBS doner, we could use a discount maybe?!? 😊
I subscribe to both magazines.
I like how they stand behind some of the winning products but when they filmed at people's home they weren't using winning products.
they got me to start cooking bacon in water
And steaming my hard "boiled" eggs.
I have followed ATK for years, bought their monthly publications at my grocery store checkout lines. When the series first appeared on PBS and then on RUclips, I realized that Kimble's arrogance was, to me symbolized with his bow tie. He had a condescending way of addressing the camera and they others on the set. I have learned so much over the years, but I have to say I'm glad he is gone. The only thing I learned from him was how to talk down to a camera
This is why I HATE corporations. They literally sued him for copying himself. They always assume they own your style as well. Corporations are vermin.
No they aren't and you would know that if you ever signed the front of a paycheck not just the back.
Your one good point is that they sued him - they were afraid of letting him have his own continuing idea, and they owned the rights to his previous (same) idea. They should have just worked harder, let Chris be Chris, and see who excelled...
@@perotinofhackensack2064 And Chris should have been grateful for ATK funding his idea. Millions of good ideas don't get that chance.
Never cared for Chris Kimball and I don't miss him at all. Love Bridget and Julia, personally I like the show a lot better now that Kimball has gone. The man seemed to have an attitude I didn't care for.
After you go out and build a food empire come back and tell me of your great success and how you out-did ATK.
He wasn't "kicked off," he chose to leave because he wasn't happy there. Click bait.
Not really, he was seeking fame and, there was too many cooks in the kitchen! Hint,; he’s all about himself and, on America’s Test Kitchen he had to share the spotlight with several others! 6:12
He essentially got demoted because he was a terrible CEO. This video is so slanted.
It's just not the same without Chris Kimball. I enjoy Milk Street as the direct replacement.
Christopher Kimball made the magazine what it was but the shows just grew beyond him. It's better he left and found a new outlet that suits him and ATK is better now without him.
Forcing out the founder is egregious. 10% layoff wa punishment for unionizing. CEO is an @$$.
Not sure if the audio has been edited because of legal issues, but the long voids of audio make this almost useless.
WHAT?! Christopher Campbell is not a professional chef?! SHOCKER! Knock me over with a feather! This is obvious to anyone with 2 brain cells. His skills set seems to be providing inane, unnecessary commentary, while waiting with his knife and fork to eat what the actual chefs have made. HOW he has maintained employment longevity on not one, but 2 shows is the real shocker.
Narcissists: The world must revolve around and adapt to me. I'm not taking my talents to where I'll get paid nor will I learn skills that employers will pay a high dollar for.
Words narcissists use: union/unionize, solidarity, scab labor.
Tactics narcissists use: Finger point, blame, gaslight, peer pressure, violence against the innocent, burn, loot murder.
I guess unionizing didn’t help in the end.
Friction because they brought in someone to “supervise” the founder? Sounds like micromanaging to me and if the overseer was female, even worse (I’m a 70 yo lady and every horrible boss I ever had was a woman). As for Kimball, he always seemed too arrogant; after he left, the on air demonstrator/cohosts seemed much more relaxed. ATK has given us excellent recipes and appliance reviews are helpful and I have quite a few well used ATK cookbooks and saved some favorite magazines for years 😊. ATK should be employee owned with profit sharing.
Cut the annoying background noise/"music."
Christopher Kimble also founded Milk Street Television
I read it was disagreement on monetary compensation.
Guy who built the brand from zero vs empty suit who just figured out where the cafeteria is.
Still love the show Didn't care much for dude (he had a cocky attitude . I glad it's now becoming more diverse. Altho they do better personalities
Bring back Kimball!
I have had a crush on Bridget forever. Kimbell was not a nice person to work by all accounts for and was too naive a businessman. Adds up to trying fix your mistake and no one has your back. And just like when they replaced Darren on Bewitched or Marilyn Munster, no one noticed....
"too naive a businessman" - he built a minor cooking empire when at the same time, they just said that in the beginning, he actually couldn't really cook. That's not a good business man?
Sounds like there are a lot of employees who should quit and find better jobs. Also, if they moved the production to Arkansas the production cost would be less and so would the gripping.
Nobody asked to see multiple closeups of people flossing their teeth. You couldn't find stock footage of someone actually slicing cheese with floss?
When ATK went public and brought in new leadership, I told my co-worker then Kimball would be gone. That NEVER works out for the founder at ANY company. Amazing, unexpected, shocking...NOT! Bring in a union, demand more money and jobs are lost! So much for more money! Just like all these people in CA are learning about what $20/hr wages for unskilled work is doing for them. Stores closing, jobs gone, robots and automation replacing them. Nobody was forced to work there. If they didn't like the wages, LEAVE! If enough people were leaving, by simple laws of supply and demand, wages would have to change to keep staff. It's not a government job, its private, if you're good, negotiate better terms for YOURSELF. Now if you work harder, the slacker get the same wage as you do, because the UNION says so. Unions had their place 100 years ago and in small cases of dangerous jobs, but for the most part they've become just a slush fund for the leftists and the democrat party.
Wow. You're so far off target with this. Workers need unions now more than ever, and if you don't understand that you're disconnected from reality.
@@alfgwahigain5544 I'm IN a union and wish I wasn't. I've been in plenty of them! Including IATSE which is a NEEDED one because of the dangers in that area. But as you're probably a leftist liberal, you of course LOVE all the monies that siphoned off of peoples paychecks to support all the leftist trash that union leadership pushes. Where were the unions when Biden trashed all the pipelines? Those were UNION jobs! Where were the unions as car plants were shut down to send over to Mexico or cut back because the EV's don't require as many workers to build?
The REALITY is I'd rather negotiate based upon my value than have some person TELL me that my work is the same as another person who puts in HALF the effort, just because they have the same title. I saw this when I was at a federal depot and a UNION worker was making over 80k to simply drive around a golf cart! While others had to make up for his work. Or the school teacher who couldn't be touched because of the UNION that protected him, even though his "work" was to write on the board, what chapters to read and to do the questions at the end, while he read newspapers ALL DAY! Yep, THAT is the REALITY!
Power to the union of workers!
When Kimble was pushed out, I stopped watching ATK after a couple episodes. His hosting skills is what made the show. When he left, the show was just bland.
Kimball was also known to be a raging AH. Frankly, he was deadweight, which needed to be shed.
Totally agree. This video says nothing about how staff cheered when he left. He financially ran ATK into the ground, which is why they had to bring in outside investors, who naturally wanted to get the business back into the black. This is such a hit-piece. I have to do a sarcastic little “boo-hoo” to the whole unionization thing: the employees unionized an outfit that barely made any money, negotiating higher salaries and benefits, then feigned surprise that the staff (from a completely superfluous unit) had to be downsized in response.
The whole cranky Vermont guy schtick grew very tiresome. Haven't missed him at all - he seems to have toned it down for Milk Street, which seems a much better fit for him.
Was it really necessary to show someone up close flossing their teeth on a cooking video?
The two ladies they have now are just lovely, but you could tell the minute Chris Kimball was no longer with ATK. Things changed and part of the approach was different. As with so many things in the world today, the minute some conglomerate bought it and starting 'putting their stamp on it' (read: messing with something that was working just fine before they joined it) the quality was diminished. Very sad.
Give me a break this is the food industry. If it's so bad.Why are so many of them for so long?
Unions increase labor costs, lay-offs result. Well, of course. That's hardly surprising. Greed? Sure. Greed is the reason for the existence of just about every business. All that means is that investors who can get 4 or 5% return on their capital in 100% safe investments expect considerably higher returns when they take on more risk. Otherwise, why take the risk? There may be one in 1,000 businesses that start up for the purpose of giving employees good-paying jobs and don't care about profits, but they rarely last long.
Your investor class mentality is what will cause America to become a third world country!😢
Unions get people paid fairly and prevent safety from being a myth. Payroll has never been large enough to be the cause of a company's failure. Layoffs happen because products don't meet with adequate demand. Look at marketing decisions. Look at excessive CEO pay packages. And look at how much money shareholders are bleeding from the treasury (dividends, share buybacks) without producing a penny of value.
When Kimball left, he took the soul of the show with him. The hosts are nothing but accessories. Kimball provided a lead and had a nice procrastinating edge to the show they since lost. Also just recently ATK announced a major layoff. The CEO there clearly did not understand what made this show good.
Typical corporate behavior. Destroy a good company and rip off the money. Mis-management 101.
The employees voted to 'unionize' and then there were huge lay-offs??? What did they expect??? No surprise there!!!
Hungry workers most are over weight . 🙄
But it is a great info channel mostly every company has a fail at one time let it go.
Click bait, I won't watch any MASHED videos in the future
Hand models get manicures? Who knew?
You can tell Bridget and Julia and all at ATK have more fun without CK
I never like Milk Street...
I stopped watching America's Test Kitchen after he left. I'm not sure what or how he brought what ever he did bring. But after his leaving wasn't a fan.
The two gals that do the hosting now, I liked when they were the cooks. Not so much as the host.
Better.
Well, I guess ATK succeeded in hiding its secret because it was nowhere in this video.
Sorry,not sensing the "desperation".
I don't watch them any more.
ATK has NEVER been as good since Kimball left. Bridget, Julia, and Adam are great, but some of these others they've shoe-horned into the line-up are just plain annoying. Milk Street isn't perfect, but at least it isn't the dish-watery thing that ATK has become.
There is a reason those others were support in front of the camera.
I like the new lineup better. Kimball's cranky Vermont guy personna was grating after so many years and the show now has a more ensemble feel.
Unintended consequences of making too many demands on your employer. Layoffs. also, union's commitment to diversity will kill this show. DEI always means hiring less qualified people over better qualified.
I’m sure some people will be upset by my comment not that I really care but I don’t care how good the show is if they cannot treat the people that make the show possible right I am through with them and have followed Chris to milk Street.
When ATK went "corporate", it, and "Cooks' Country", lost their charm for me. I can't stand Jack Bishop anyway...
The union is going to ruin that organization. It's started already.
Absolutely absurd how much they spend to develop a recipe. Even 3 star Michelin restaurants don’t spend that much. Just stupid.
Especially considering the results. All those professionals going through the process, and it's just like Chili's makes...
Ah yes, just $45….😂
ATK helped me become a better cook. Still watch it and subscribe to their web site.
My only reason to cancel my subscription was Kimball’s removal after noticing he is not the chief editor.
People demanded all these benefits when they unionized and then they laid off 10% of their staff.
It is almost like unionizing increases expenses and then makes working their more exclusionary.
They retaliated against employees for forming a union.
I miss Chris.
Their age????
After watching the first half of the video I gave up waiting for the "desperate" or "hiding" part. wtf mashed?
Ceo/ management wanted more $$$ for themselves, so fire the people that make the show it's money. They got fired after they unionized, i bet.