Why Wasn't C.S. Lewis Catholic!? w/ Dale Ahlquist
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Dale shares an observation from GK Chesterton about people becoming Catholic. Then he applies it to CS Lewis.
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That answer hugely downplays the history of protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland where Lewis was born.
It's not as though Tolkien didn't try!
Try what?
@@PhillyCYOSportsto covert Lewis to the Catholic faith
Im not sure how true my next words are but I’ve heard it said that Tolkien said of Lewis that Lewis “had an Ulsterior motive” for not joining the Holy Catholic Church. How true it is I’ll leave up to the reader, but I like it regardless.
@@spencerbungard3152I don't know if it's a true quote, but I've heard that Tolkien once asked why Lewis refused to become Catholic, and he responded ""f you had grown up in Belfast, you would understand and wouldn’t ask me that question"
It's possible that Lewis would have swam the Tiber in reaction to the Anglicans ordaining women, considering that he argued against women priestesses before it became an official policy about ten years after he died.
Maybe. But he didn’t swim the Tiber. He remained an Anglican, therefore he remained a heretic, therefore he remained outside of the one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation.
@@jacksonesq9992 He didn't even bow down before Pachamama a single time!
@@galaxyn3214 But Antipope Francis did.
@@jacksonesq9992 Rebellious professor Lewis didn't want to admit that his salvation depended on professing that "blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church" while at the same time professing that the papal cathedra was empty!
Dear@@galaxyn3214, that's so funny!
Lewis was raised in an exceedingly anti-Catholic environment, told Tolkien as much, and said that Tolkien couldn’t understand how deep it went and how becoming Catholic was simply impossible for him.
Maybe he would have eventually been able to get over his upbringing.
Bulverism at its finest. Maybe, perhaps, he was actually convinced Catholicism was false!
I doubt he would’ve gotten over it. Irish Protestants don’t often become Irish Catholics.
_"Maybe he would have eventually been able to get over his upbringing."_
While he wasn't, _one_ of the possible explanations is he was overvaluing human attachments over God's call to truth.
@@carlossardina3161 Being actually convinced doesn't preclude being wrong for specific non-rational reasons.
We are here in a somewhat Catholic company where the position "Catholicism is false" is presumed to be already disproven on other grounds than any analysis of CSL.
I'd be happy to take your finest pick of his arguments against Catholicism (he had some) and disprove them without presuming on (though maybe looking forward towards) the upbringing of CSL
_"an exceedingly anti-Catholic environment,"_
Is that really so?
One man, the clergyman grandfather, arguably was exceedingly anti-Catholic. I think the rest were more like snobbishly anti-Catholic. I think he remained snobbishly anti-Catholic, close to a High Church Lutheran plainly saying Luther was wrong, but waiting to convert until Catholicism first cleans up a bit of "popular piety" (dreaded word!) about the Blessed Virgin. He was also at a certain point in the forties when writing The Problem of Pain or Miracles or both equally snobbishly anti-Fundamentalist. "We are not Fundamentalists" / "aren't" whichever it was.
All of the things listed as moving towards Catholicism, or any fondness of catholic thought over and above what Protestants usually allow, is just standard Anglicanism
Because Anglicanism is Catholicism without Rome, so...
@@Tom-zc9gs exactly my point
Was just about to say this. it's why I like the Anglo-Catholicism movement that is happening, helps me move between two worlds but they're still very different from each other. I still prefer Anglicanism over Catholicism, I don't think I could ever believe in a Pope for example, or that Priests are the only ones who can access God/absolve sins, Anglicans are much more flexible in interpretations and I feel are a little bit closer to God in Truth and in Spirit. I love the Catholic church for very different reasons though, especially because of French and Polish culture, but I can definitely see why and how Anglicans are bit better for me personally. C.S Lewis is one of those reasons
@@yoggerzzz Agreed, plus when I think of things I am unconvinced about theologically with Catholics, things like celibate clergy, the role and power of popes, the confession to a priest as a required sacrament, none of them can be justified either historically or biblically, and only make sense from a standpoint of *-The Roman Catholic Church has decided that the Roman Catholic Church should be more powerful and centralized-*
I wonder why being Anglican is not enough in your worldview, that one must become Roman Catholic. There is too much of the Roman Empire in the Roman Catholic church, and the Orthodox church did not split from the Roman Catholic church, the Roman Catholic church split off from the one true church at that time, leaving the Orthodox church to continue on in their path. The Lutherans and the Anglicans did not speak languages that developed out of Latin, the language of the church needed to be something that ordinary people could understand - but not in the Roman church. Deacons, priests, and bishops are needed roles, but then the Roman Catholic church insists on having the hierarchy of the cardinals etc. and on up to the pope, and the belief in infallibility.
It is what it is, but insisting too strongly has made it too much for some, who have gone off in protest, at times too far. Ratcheting down on the Roman aspects has prevented reconciliation and the ability to speak as one voice against heresies, such as the Prosperity Gospel. That C.S. Lewis was an Anglican .. in this video, you do not accept that, and can only see that he was not (not yet) a Roman Catholic. .. when the world needs to get back to having a Holy Catholic church that can stand united against the problems humanity faces when they are without truth and faith.
AMEN!!!
Well said
Get real. I know its hard for Catholics to look past themselves, but C.S. Lewis was a staunch Protestant from the time of his conversion to his death. He flat out refused his good friend's request to join the church. At the end of time, there will be all the churches and we will all realise the fulfillment of the Lord as Catholics and Protestants alike. Catholicism is a choice, not an inevitability.
Thank you. You can find much about why he isn’t Catholic if you just do a bit of searching. It takes a lot of pride to think that Lewis would have become Catholic given enough time.
_"as Catholics and Protestants alike."_
I don't think that since CSL's death we have moved that direction.
More like the end times will see Protestants in roles like Lion power and Leopard power and partaking of the final composite beast.
I dont believe that Catholic faith becomes only a choice
@@remsaga I don't see how you could believe anything else, considering that not everyone believes as you do.
@@hglundahl I'm glad you think so low of us and our God. Go with peace.
I find it hilarious that in all of the Catholic vs. Protestant discussions nobody ever mentions the Orthodox Church. It’s just as old as the Roman Church. It Has just as much historical claim to being the true Church of Jesus. Perhaps in the end we’ll all end up Orthodox. The way things are going in the Roman Church… well, maybe Orthodoxy makes sense.
Lewis was an Anglican. God bless him. He was brilliant and he loved the Lord. No one can judge him but Christ, and anyone withe the temerity to declare Lewis’ place in eternity should probably examine their own soul and go to confession.
Lewis had very high praise for the Orthodox divine liturgies he visited on some Greek isles at one point.
I don’t take orthodox seriously, it’s not really in competition with Rome.
No. The Catholic Church is 2000 and the Orthodox is 1000. Before the schism there was only the Catholic Church.
The Coptic Church
Born in Ulster.
There's your answer.
I very much appreciate my catholic friends, here in the comments too. I am neither Anglican nor Roman Catholic. I mean this in a nice way: this is cope. Read the quotes straight from Lewis. I also don't think saying what he would have done had he lived longer is appropriate. I would urge you not to make Lewis a catholic in your mind to make you feel better. All the best.
Because it doesn't mattter. He was a Christian. Doesn't matter if he was Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox or Roman Catholic!
Why doesn’t it matter?
@@chrisevans6532 the end result is the same
He was an Ulster man from a protestant background of course he wasn't catholic, his family would of probably disowned him.
Many converts to the Catholic Church today suffer from "shunning" to some degree or other. Are you saying that C.S. Lewis could not have had the courage to face his "friends's" disapproval? I think you are right, as to the reason he could not convert, but instead of being reluctant to be cast out by friends and family members, isn't it more likely that he simply could not bring his mind around to think in terms of the "Roman" Catholic Church?
@@susand3668 Catholics and protestants were killing each other and still to this day in Northern Ireland, its a lot harder to convert there.
I thought C.S. Lewis was a Catholic??
Or am I confusing him with Tolkien?
Either way, both men are great examples of followers of Christ.
You’re confusing him with Tolkien. As for Lewis, there’s no cause for rejoicing. He remained an Anglican, thus he remained a heretic. He didn’t become part of the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.
Lewis was Anglican. He actually has some great quotes about why he respects the Catholic Church, but also why he didn’t consider it the truest expression of Christianity.
Yeah Tolkein was Catholic, CS Lewis was high church Anglican.
@@JasonJrake What a tragedy. He remained an Anglican, therefore he remained a heretic, therefore he remained outside of the one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation.
@@jacksonesq9992 There are more pious Anglicans in the world than you, humble yourself
"The Roman Church where it differs from this universal tradition and specially from apostolic Christianity I reject. Thus their theology about the B.V.M. [Blessed Virgin Mary] I reject because it seems utterly foreign to the New Testament: where indeed the words ‘Blessed is the womb that bore thee’ receive a rejoinder pointing in exactly the opposite direction. Their papalism seems equally foreign to the attitude of St Paul towards St Peter in the Epistles. The doctrine of Transubstantiation insists in defining in a way wh. the N.T. seems to me not to countenance. In a word, the whole set-up of modern Romanism seems to me to be as much a provincial or local variation from the central, ancient tradition as any particular Protestant sect is." - C.S. Lewis
Jack was so real for this.
My dear friend, please read that section you refer to again, all the way through. Jesus responds saying, "No, rather, 'Blessed those hearing the Word of God and keeping it.'" ( cf. Luke 11:28) Who was the very first person to hear that God was becoming a Man? And who was it kept all these things in her heart? (cf. Luke 2:19 and 51) Who is the first Christian, and the one that Jesus Himself honored, as He never broke any of the Ten Commandments? Why don't you think it right to honor her, too? She was filled with the Holy Spirit when she said "All generations will call me blessed" (cf. Luke 1:48) Not because she bore Him, but because she was His first follower, as Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, said, "and blessed is she who has believed there will be a fulfillment of what was spoken to her concerning the Lord." (cf. Luke 1:45)
@@susand3668she was indeed an important woman but she was not sinless.
I think an honest reading of John 6 strongly supports the Catholic doctrine on the Eucharist.
_"a rejoinder pointing in exactly the opposite direction."_
A rather dull misunderstanding of what Jesus said on the occasion.
She had been happier being told She was sinless by St. Elisabeth, than being told She was being the Mother of God by Gabriel. Her Son was on the occasion asking them to give Her the right compliment.
Not the best CSL quote, and I'm afraid it is genuine.
_"Their papalism seems equally foreign to the attitude of St Paul towards St Peter in the Epistles."_
1) One occasion in Galatians 2, after St. Peter had been named "Peter" in chapter 1, mentions "Cephas" ... probably already a common name, shared in Hebrew form by Caiaphas;
2) Most (though not the Stromatist) presume it is St. Peter, and they consider momentarily speaking up against a Pope doing wrong as fair game on this account (so, St. Thomas).
He has a bad prooftext, expands it to "several occasions" in the epistles when it's only one, and applies it with Ignoratio Elenchi.
_"The doctrine of Transubstantiation insists in defining in a way wh. the N.T. seems to me not to countenance."_
So does the dogma of the Holy Trinity, which was defined 17 councils before Trent. Against Arius.
_"as much a provincial or local variation from the central, ancient tradition as any particular Protestant sect is."_
One could conceivably _compared to other Apostolic-Succession type Churches without a Reformation_ have that opinion about Catholicism, I tried it and it failed, I am a revert from Orthodoxy. But the comparison here is widely underestimating what the evils of any Protestant sect are, given that they all involve the totally anti-Biblical Reformation. Condemned in its premiss about the immediate pre-Reformation Church, as much as Mormonism and JW, by Matthew 28:20.
Now, in fact _all_ of the Apostolic-Succession type Churches without a Reformation _do_ in fact state Our Lady was without sin. Not all of them say "conceived", which is bad, but all say so about Her acts.
@mattschneider78 -- did you withdraw an answer yourself or was it censored?
C S Lewis was a great christian as is john lennox,which i would rather have over a bad catholic and am a irish catholic too.
You know, while people make a lot of C.S. Lewis's acceptance of the sacraments, it does not seem like he held to them in the Roman Catholic manner - meaning that while he believed that the sacraments of confession and eucharist imparted a special grace he did not hold them to be essential for salvation.
Probably because they are not essential to salvation, as neither are the Marian dogmas.
@@ronaldbaginski You're saying that as a protestant I take it
@JW_______ Baptist to be exact.
@@ronaldbaginski I'm protestant too...just pointing out to our RC friends that Lewis was likely not as close to becoming RC as they might, understandably, like to think.
@@JW_______ I agree.
The Abolition of Man. Clive’s best
The stained glass reference if from the homily of Pope Benedict XVI at St Patrick cathedral in NYC:
“The first has to do with the stained glass windows, which flood the interior with mystic light. From the outside, those windows are dark, heavy, even dreary. But once one enters the church, they suddenly come alive; reflecting the light passing through them, they reveal all their splendor. Many writers - here in America we can think of Nathaniel Hawthorne - have used the image of stained glass to illustrate the mystery of the Church herself. It is only from the inside, from the experience of faith and ecclesial life, that we see the Church as she truly is: flooded with grace, resplendent in beauty, adorned by the manifold gifts of the Spirit. It follows that we, who live the life of grace within the Church’s communion, are called to draw all people into this mystery of light.”
The answer is: C. S. Lewis was Catholic. He was part of the Catholic Church in the English Tradition.
God bless you!
Real Presence is essential for Anglicans
And yet you don’t actually have it.
For me, I was raised as a Lutheran and the Anglican "eucharistic celebration" was a gateway to me to understanding the real the presence in the Eucharist. I spent a very pleasant year attending Anglican services and working out my objections to Catholicism privately before joining RCIA.
Is that a relic in the background?
@@bethmcmullan7686 Thanks Beth.
I think Lewis told us why, in a letter he wrote to someone once? He said he didn't want the someone (the pope) telling him what to think in some future date. I might be wrong here but I think I heard this somewhere
Yes, but in another letter we get a more honest answer. It’s reported by Tolkien that CSL had said (paraphrasing from memory), “Tollers, can you even know what it would be for an Ulsterman to swim the Tiber? Can you even consider it?”
Lewis was born in Northern Ireland among Protestants. The great chasm that separates Protestants and Catholics is felt nowhere possibly more than in Ireland, especially the Northern Counties under British rule.
A book with all Chesterton's aphorisms would be just all his books collected into one
Sounds silly or trimphalist. Many Christians in the vein of Lewis live their lives without being Catholic and they are brilliant theologians
There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.
@@jacksonesq9992 Not a modern Roman Catholic belief no matter how much people say it.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv:
But still a doctrine.
The truth is still the truth.
@@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv You’re correct in suggesting that Antipope Francis and those of the Novus Ordo Antichurch he leads believe that there IS salvation outside of the Catholic Church. But I wasn’t talking about either Antipope Francis or the Novus Ordo Antichurch. I was talking about the doctrine of the actual Catholic Church.
@@jacksonesq9992 Mark 9:40
I love that CS Lewis was a protestant! He serves as a constant reminder to you that you do indeed have a "younger brother" in Christ, one who is genuine in his faith and sincere in his convictions.
And that little brother is the protestants!
BTW I love catholics, my "big brother" in the faith! Thank God for the catholic church and all she has done for the Kingdom!!
@drjanitor3747 so be it. I will stick to my simple faith in Jesus Christ and simple obedience to His Word.
You stick with the man you call "Holy Father" and bowing down to graven images and serving of the queen of heaven and praying to those who have gone asleep and blessing of homosexual couples!
You do you boo :)
@@drjanitor3747Catholic church was pretty evil back then. Not sure it's much better now
@@xrendezv0usxlast is utter lie and “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.”
Revelation 12:1-2
Also another heretic that’s believes in soul sleep ill pray for you
@Zay_WiHN last one is "blessing homosexual couples" and the only "LIE" is the false doctrines being endorsed by the man who you call "Holy Father"
Wikipedia:
Clive Staples Lewis was a British writer, literary scholar, and Anglican lay theologian.
Anglicanism is a Western Christian tradition which developed from the practices, liturgy, and identity of the Church of England following the English Reformation.
Next question:
Why don't I believe the story of a Jewish god/man wandering Judea two thousand years ago performing miracles and warning his followers of the end of the world before dying and rising up into the sky into his kingdom in the clouds?
Because I think and I know how things work.
That’s kinda blasphemy- didn’t live long enough- I am sure God knows exactly how much time a soul needs
I was hoping this would be clickbait, I’m honestly a little bewildered. Thought this was a more respected Catholic page ~ I will stick to Trent Horn for my Catholic go to haha.
(If anyone has some other recommendations, lmk. Ty, your fellow Protestant).
Wow.....a Catholic channel is pro Catholic....how dare they....
I remember seeing a bunch of pro Prot channels speaking well of Catholics.....oh wait, no I don't.....
@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807 …Mmm
4:39 Here is one of the versions:
‘It’s the first effect of not believing in God that you lose your common sense and can’t see things as they are. Anything that anybody talks about, and says there’s a good deal in it, extends itself indefinitely like a vista in a nightmare. And a dog is an omen, and a cat is a mystery, and a pig is a mascot, and a beetle is a scarab, calling up all the menagerie of polytheism from Egypt and old India; Dog Anubis and great green-eyed Pasht and all the holy howling Bulls of Bashan; reeling back to the bestial gods of the beginning, escaping into elephants and snakes and crocodiles; and all because you are frightened of four words:
‘He was made Man’.’
(The Oracle of the Dog)
C.S. Lewis and the Catholic Church by Joseph Pearce
3:22 I have not read that essay the last ten years at least.
B u t, both to some degree illustrate "and the light shone in the darkness", however, it's only the stained glass window that illustrates the sequel of those words.
"Don't curse the dark, light a match" ... fireworks or the The Little Match Girl
Then there is a light from _beyond_ the stars, where the darkness God separated from light never reaches. Grace is shown by the stained glass window, since a Cathedral at 9 am is only dark locally inside, and the stained glass windows are there to expel that darkness, with light from the outside.
3:59 That one, yes, that one I definitely have heard or read, and I think it's Chesterton.
Similar things can be said of Rich Mullins, ask Scott Hahn.
5:40 Unless it's Cardinal Faulhaber, a great-grand-nephew several generations younger of Blessed Andrew Faulhaber (murdered by executioners of Frederick II, and sorrily enough, the Poles now living there aren't interested in a canonisation, after they drove away Germans in 1945 -- Catholic Germans of Silesia, who honoured Fr. Andrew Faulhaber.
The Cardinal said "es ist unglaublich wie viel mann glauben muß um ungläubig zu sein" ...
_Unbelievable, how much you need to believe to be an Unbeliever._
He also said "wo der Glaube geht hinaus, da geht der Aberglauben hinein"
_Exit Faith, Enter Superstition._
1:27 _"a sense of the real presence"_
That one I'd like to see evidence for.
You see, he once in Letters to Children said he hadn't any clue why actually eating Jesus would make any difference. Not sure where.
That's probably his most dire lacuna ...
When it came to Evolution, when he became a Christian, it was he who was too Evolutionist to be Catholic, he considered not only man as a product of Evolution (apart from God at a certain point -- we can't know when or how -- imparting His image) and the individuals Adam and Eve as emblems.
At the end, he was fortunately moving away from that, but by then Humani Generis plus its reception involved some Catholics moving towards a very illogical compromise of Adam, yes, direct creation of his body from dust, no. He probably just wouldn't do that. Which is more creditable to him than the now mentioned _lack of_ sense of the real presence.
As for "all seven sacraments" the Anglican community has all, either genuinely (Baptism, Marriage) or in simulacra (Ordination and any sacrament that needs an ordained minister). It's not like Classic Lutheranism, three, or Calvinism, two.
I don't know of any other Christian denomination that comes across as elitist as many Catholics do. I don't see this from Baptists, Lutherans, etc. I don't understand it whatsoever. 🤷
It's the O.G. - there's no real way not to sound elitist if you believe it's truly the original Church.
When you say on another thread it's heretical you need to be Catholic to be saved, do you have that from Pius XII's condemnation of Feeney or from John Wesley's dream?
@@hglundahl I said you "DON'T" have to be Catholic. It was in response to a poster who claimed you do.
@@e.m.8094 yes, in response to me.
So, where does it say it's heresy to say you _do_ have to be it?
1) Pius XII condemning Feeney?
2) dream of John Wesley?
3) ...?
@@hglundahl Let's just go straight to the source itself (because that's what really matters anyways): What does THE BIBLE say about how one obtains salvation/eternal life with God? I have yet to see ANY translation that says "You must be of the Roman Catholic persuasion". If you feel there is chapter and verse that makes this claim, please cite the scripture.
He didn't become Roman because all of these things were (and are) acceptable within Anglicanism. He literally points out that his issue with Rome was not so much one doctrine or another to which he would have to commit, but rather that he would have to commit to any FUTURE doctrines or statements. Insert fiducia supplicans here.
One of the constant issues I see with these sorts of videos is the sheer blinding fantasy of it all: pretend Anglicans and all Protestants reject the Real Presence. Pretend that Anglicanism and Protestantism is nothing more than some Bapticostal megachurch theology. Pretend that Roman theology is something tenable, given Church History.
This comment section is more toxic than Chernobyl
I think that Lewis was on the road to Rome. The fact that he started as an athiest and was all but Catholic when he died demonstrates he was searching right up to the end.
His book "A Grief Observed" is heart-breakingly honest, and shows he was being shaken to the core of his being; and his Faith was taking a turn he did not expect.
Road to Jesus Christ.
As an ex-catholic, most of these quotes seem to be absolutely arrogant.
"to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant"
"if everybody lived a thousand years everybody would be catholic"
OK. You want to say you're deep in history and you have the wisdom of a thousand years lived. That's not arrogant?
The fake humbleness is just painful.
Par for the course my friend. They all sit in their little mahogany clad man-dens sucking their tobacco aparatuses pontificating about protestants while true Christ followers like John Lennox, William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, Dr. James Tour, and Cliffe Knechtle do all the heavy lifting. Bunch of phonies these RCC apologists. They should aspire to be more like Dr Stephen Meyer (a Catholic I believe) and less like cult leaders trying to groom new followers into "the one true church".
I never understood the "deep in history" quote. The RCC was a tyrant for hundreds of years. They soiled the bed during ww2 and tried to restore their subscription numbers with their newest expansion pack "Ascension of the Mother" which didn't work in the long run. Clearly. Europe is a secular wasteland.
I say: "to be deep in scripture is to cease to be Catholic."
The moment you Catholics stop yapping about your Catholicity and start loving your identity as a CHRISTIAN will I stop with my scathing witness of you. Same goes for Protestants.
@@zacharyevans8152 I can explain one part of "deep in history" with a quote from you, though perhaps not to you:
_"The RCC was a tyrant for hundreds of years."_
That quote makes you totally shallow in history. Is Disneyland your _best_ source for Blackbeard Teach, the pirate? Is your _best_ source for Hitler's character Chaplin's Dictator? Those two examples would not be quite as disastrous as your real life one.
_"They soiled the bed during ww2"_
Not really. And absolutely not as much as some Protestants did. A famous picture of men in bishops' cassocks raising a Hitler salute is widely supposed to be of Catholic bishops. Not so, they are Lutheran-Evangelisch and Calvinist-Evangelisch clergy, Protestants of Germany. I have seen a supposed nun receive a signature of Hitler. Her attire is more a Lutheran deaconness.
So, your source for Catholic Church history, is it at least Cornwell, or did you sink as low as Avro Manhattan, a fraud about other things too?
_"true Christ followers like John Lennox, William Lane Craig,"_
Those two are Deep Time Compromisers!
_"do all the heavy lifting"_
Because they do it in pulpits rather than living rooms where they pod-cast from? You are shallow about more than history.
If you mean they confront aggressive atheism, so do Pints with Aquinas and so did Chesterton. He even fought against atheist bad habits like Eugenics. Which I am afraid CSL forgot to do.
_"You want to say you're deep in history and you have the wisdom of a thousand years lived."_
Being deep in history occurs if you are that kind of geek. I am, Newman was.
Chesterton did not claim to have lived for 1000 years, but when they did, prior to the Flood (ok, not for all of 1000, but often past 900), no one was a heretic or pagan. They were pious _or_ they were consciously nihilist and even Satanist, as in Devil Worshipping.
_"absolutely arrogant."_
Your fake _standards of_ humbleness are painful. I'm not claiming you fake your adhesion to that standard, though!
No, no, no...C.S lewis is not a cathloic and he never converted.
CS Lewis was too smart for that...
Facts.
Why didn’t everyone become Catholic?
Because most love their sins too much.
@@jacksonesq9992You need Jesus brother.
I don't think he would have stayed catholic, not with the Pope Francis. Probably would have moved to Orthodoxy.
such a shallow response
Here’s that Lewis/Chesterton side by side audiobook 📚 ruclips.net/video/3lQADksO6M8/видео.htmlsi=oBOU5aehrkLR2gUo
1:48 I think that's true about part of CSL's arguments.
But there is a part where I instead, with sorrow, think he got his bad arguments or positions from "Bishop" Charles Gore.
Cuz Protestantism is awesome.
One thing is sure. He would never have converted to FrancisChurch.
I disagree. Lewis could read with understanding, and would not misunderstand the documents Pope Francis has published. He would recognize their orthodoxy.
By the logic of this video it was God's fault the Lewis didn't become Catholic.
Dear@@Mateo-et3wl, actually , the logic is God's logic. We are not Calvinists, denying Free Will. But it is fun to speculate if C.S. Lewis had more time on this earth, he would have come into the Catholic Church. Lighten up, my friend! God is GOOD!
Wow this was extremely arrogant to say the least, and honestly it was downright disrespectful to Lewis' and his own thoughts, and disrespectful to many Christians by implication. Unfortunate.
God gave Lewis the great grace of putting Tolkien and others in his life so that Lewis might become Catholic. Lewis rejected this great grace. He remained an Anglican. Therefore he remained a heretic. Therefore he remained outside of the one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation. What a tragedy.
Shouldn’t God give everyone a chance to learn about the Catholic Church ?
@@thyikmnnnn It isn’t for us to tell God what He should do. How did you reach an abyss of depravity such that you believe that it is?
Who are you to make these claims? Are you God? It sounds like you like to be your own ruler and that of others. You preach your own Gospel, but let it be elsewhere Satan.
Wrong!
That is not true. It's not the name of your denomination that saves you It's repentance from sin, faith in the work of Jesus on the cross (and subsequent resurrection) and living a life for God.
Because he knew it was nonsense, in spite of even Tolkien's best efforts.
There's a lot to recommend Catholism. One such thing is that the Church seems to be letting go of some of the medieval superstitions that found their way into doctrine and that the faithful are required to believe, however fantastic they may be. Now that the Church is allowing a bit more room for individual opinion, for letting me be wrong sometimes, it's possible!
What medieval superstitions are you talking about?