Back in 1984 I bought two s620c and a ccr2000e, all used. I have rental properties and leave them to use at each house when the snow is less than 6” deep. I have replaced the flappers on all of them and the belly pan on the ccr. Otherwise they just keep on working for more than 40 years. Noisy little suckers but showing them the appropriate love keeps them going. Over 6” of snow will see me trucking my orange and white ariens around.
Absolutely!! I just fixed a Nice craftsman that was a real survivor! Unfortunately I had picked up a similar machine didn't survive as well. Luv to hear the stories,,,,thanks for sharing!
I have two small snowblowers with the same engine. One i paid 75 bucks for 20 years ago and one I picked up for 5 bucks. I get them both running before the snow flys in Minnesota and rotate using them. If one croaks I still have a backup. I hate the smell but they do fine on my small driveway. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and have a mild winter!
If they were WELL taken care of they were great little snow throwers. I had a couple of them and they worked great. . .However, they are a pain in the patoot to work on. Anymore, when a customer brings them to me for repair, they are in terrible shape, usually neglected, so I will refuse to work on them. Thanks Arch. . . You're the best!
Agreed!! These motors are powerful, as we know, twice the power per,,,especially for the size.. Not to mention the snow/salt and sand just wreaks havoc AND Plastic,,,,,The older ones had more metal on them but also rotted as they were a thinner metal.. Sad end for such ANGRY little snow goblins!
My neighbors son has been using a Toro S200, or S620 he got for free from his sister who inherited it when she bought her house. From what i understand he loves it, and has been frequently restoring the common wear stuff on it. I had a junk S200 in my backyard i gave him to use for parts after he was only after a particular part on it. Better than scrapping it. I just got a Toro Powerlite running which has been sitting in my yard for 2 years, and it works pretty mean for a little thing. If the engines are kept healthy on these old machines more power to the people who keep them running, but i do understand the cost of repairing them professionally could be more than what they are worth. Then again people always spend alot on car repairs.
Absolutely!! I just released a video on a nice older craftsman 2 stroker that I call "a survivor" because it was kept out of the weather. Now runs great again! Luv the stories,,,thanx for sharing!
An old montgomery wards all metal 2 stroke blower was my favorite when i lived in the woods. It sat on the steps, it always started and i used it to get to my big snow blower.
Great story! I luv the stories people have. Those were good machines. This one is a de-volved junk no feature used and abused and mostly neglected machine. Still, there is no reason these should fail so often other than people just don't care for them at all.
@@TheNovaJohn it was old when I bought it for $20 at a yard sale because it didn't run. The float didn't. I soldered the crack once I got the gas out of it. That was all I ever did but fill it with gas. I wish I still had it.
Now that I’ve had a chance to watch the entire video, I’m inclined to take another direction, especially if I got ahold of one with the exact same symptoms. I’d be willing to bet that’s an air leak somewhere - head bolts, crank seals…. Since this was built heavier than today’s and has more power I’d take it completely apart, clean up the P&C and rebuild it. I’d definitely get the intake and exhaust off and do a P/V test to pinpoint the leak. I’ll bet sealing it up would get it up to at least 90 PSI and maybe throwing on a new piston ring would push it over 100. I’m sure this wouldn’t be worth it for most, but I’d take it on as a challenge and just another learning experience, as you mentioned. I’ve got a newer curb find Toro in really good condition but if I found an older one with more power I’d probably hang onto it.
Yea,, at the point I gave up I would say it was repairable. It had lost some compression.. Junk in the muffler maybe as well It probably could have come apart easy enough. These are cool engines to mess with and this one didnt have any rust seize issues.
@@TheNovaJohnany ideas for making an exhaust mod, basically a bigger pipe out of the exhaust? 2 strokes and an exhaust mod make it way more powerful and sounds like a dirt bike. I'm doing one on a 5.5 Tecumseh engine mtd snowblower 2 stroke. It's been something my buddy and I have been giggling about for a while now and we're about to go ahead and hotrod it a little bit
lol,,,,I have had many actual custom cars and my last engine cost me around 10 grand. Not worth it really. I will say that exhaust mods alone would unlikely produce any useable power benefits. Might make it sound faster lol
We have one from 76-79 it works great! I only use canned ethanol free mix from home depot. It starts and runs first few pulls every year. Replaced the diaphragm about 3 years ago but other than that it’s worth every penny that my grandpa paid for it
Always nice to hear these kind of stories!! Thanks for sharing.. I repaired an old one couple of years ago. It was a nicer machine. Most of the machines a refurbish are around 20 years old but many of these machines juts don't pay to fix! Just had another one, a redmax blower.. Too expensive for consumers to fix
Hi, great video. Im considering buying one of these, guy selling has kept it looking good, said he just replaced the starter drive gear. Was asking 250 cnd dollars brought it down to 190 , is this too much? Even if in good working condition?
If its in good working condition, not really, he was asking a bit much, especially early in the season but hey,,,,if your happy and its well maintained then its good! Good luck with it!!
We don’t even take those in anymore in our shop. And me being mostly blind it takes me longer to do those. Plus, parts are scarce for these around here.
Sorry Brett,, I had a taste of that after 2 hospitalizations for diabetes! Could see, every thing was burry! Yea,,I still see these up for sale,, guys trying to sell off what they have..
I started a snow service, I was dragging around a Troy-Bilt 24" good unit but it didn't clear the snow down to the concrete, my neighbor had the unit like you're working on I bought it for 50 bucks her name is Little Nicky she's noisy but she'll throw snow 30 ft, no more ramps, or taking hours to do the sidewalks Little Nicky will go as fast as I want! If you angle the pedals down it will self propel at a highest rate of speed
I have a Snapper 3201 single stage 2-cycle. Probably around 40 years old. I love the goofy thing. It just won't quit. I rebuilt the Tecumseh carb and it works better than ever. I'll put some new rubber paddles on soon.
I luv the stories, I wanna steal ya phrase, 'goofy thing' Its soo appropriate! I got an old one coming up soon, its a real survivor! As much as I don't like these, the one I just finished isn't abused and came out nice!
I'm curious. What don't you like about these? This Snapper is simple, tough and moves a few inches of snow no problem. For deeper snow, I just fixed up an old MTD 2-stage. I'm looking forward to using a more serious machine! @@TheNovaJohn
@@markd9130 I talk about this in the video and others as well We, as in mechanics can't fix these, they don't hold up to the kind of neglect and abuse people subject them too. We are limited to what can be done in a repair or service because they won't sell for much either. The most common issue is not getting the mix right and the engine dies. Plastic parts break. As the mechanic, we have little time for a diagnostic and repair. No one will pay beyond $100 or so..
Understood. I thought maybe you had reasons beyond what you stated in the video. My old Snapper single-stage only runs because my labor is free. There were many years when I didn't have much money so I had to learn. Probably the same situation for many others. @@TheNovaJohn
I trash picked one of these and did pretty much the same things you did. Cleaned the carb, cleaned the tank, replaced the fuel line, replaced the diaphragm... It ran pretty well for about 10 minutes and moved a decent amount of snow. Then it died and I couldn't get it started again. It seems like it always runs fine until it warms up. It feels like it's starving for fuel. A leaky seal would make sense.
@@pswartz978 Yeah, that was my first thought. Wasn't it. The next time snow is in the forcast I'm gonna tear it apart again and try to get to the bottom of it. When it's running it has good power. The frustrating thing about working on snowblowers is you can't really fully test it until there's snow on the ground.
Been a while since we have seen one of these snowblowers. They worked awesome for what they were when they were being used but a bitch to work on. Kinds similar to the new quiet technology engines that require 2 days to remove bolts to access the carb eh?
CCR2000, 2450, 3000, and Toro's Snow commander are some badass reliable single stage 2stroke blowers. I came across one of these, they're extremely outdated. poor design.
I like the larger version of these. If they had some care then they are fine but they just cant be fixed after time and abuse. Too much effort and its sad cuz a little effort during its life and it would be fine!
Must be a cheaper model, usually they have a handle like a mower and you have to hold it to throw snow,, Remember, 2 strokes make power every 2 strokes so they usually can make about twice the power of an engine about the same size not to mention lighter with less moving parts!
Back in 1984 I bought two s620c and a ccr2000e, all used. I have rental properties and leave them to use at each house when the snow is less than 6” deep. I have replaced the flappers on all of them and the belly pan on the ccr. Otherwise they just keep on working for more than 40 years. Noisy little suckers but showing them the appropriate love keeps them going. Over 6” of snow will see me trucking my orange and white ariens around.
Absolutely!! I just fixed a Nice craftsman that was a real survivor! Unfortunately I had picked up a similar machine didn't survive as well.
Luv to hear the stories,,,,thanks for sharing!
At 2:10 Arch shows off fancy new editing skills. Neato! 👍
Thnx Rein,,,,I'm still learning videography and edit-Ography lol
@@TheNovaJohn
I really liked that one - never seen it before and it made perfect sense in this case.
I have two small snowblowers with the same engine. One i paid 75 bucks for 20 years ago and one I picked up for 5 bucks. I get them both running before the snow flys in Minnesota and rotate using them. If one croaks I still have a backup. I hate the smell but they do fine on my small driveway. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and have a mild winter!
Great story,,,,luv to hear!
Yup, that's the way to do it! They just need a little care and will run for a long time..
Good on you, great price plan!!
If they were WELL taken care of they were great little snow throwers. I had a couple of them and they worked great. . .However, they are a pain in the patoot to work on. Anymore, when a customer brings them to me for repair, they are in terrible shape, usually neglected, so I will refuse to work on them. Thanks Arch. . . You're the best!
Agreed!! These motors are powerful, as we know, twice the power per,,,especially for the size..
Not to mention the snow/salt and sand just wreaks havoc AND Plastic,,,,,The older ones had more metal on them but also rotted as they were a thinner metal..
Sad end for such ANGRY little snow goblins!
My neighbors son has been using a Toro S200, or S620 he got for free from his sister who inherited it when she bought her house. From what i understand he loves it, and has been frequently restoring the common wear stuff on it. I had a junk S200 in my backyard i gave him to use for parts after he was only after a particular part on it. Better than scrapping it. I just got a Toro Powerlite running which has been sitting in my yard for 2 years, and it works pretty mean for a little thing. If the engines are kept healthy on these old machines more power to the people who keep them running, but i do understand the cost of repairing them professionally could be more than what they are worth. Then again people always spend alot on car repairs.
Absolutely!!
I just released a video on a nice older craftsman 2 stroker that I call "a survivor" because it was kept out of the weather. Now runs great again!
Luv the stories,,,thanx for sharing!
An old montgomery wards all metal 2 stroke blower was my favorite when i lived in the woods. It sat on the steps, it always started and i used it to get to my big snow blower.
Great story! I luv the stories people have.
Those were good machines. This one is a de-volved junk no feature used and abused and mostly neglected machine.
Still, there is no reason these should fail so often other than people just don't care for them at all.
@@TheNovaJohn it was old when I bought it for $20 at a yard sale because it didn't run. The float didn't. I soldered the crack once I got the gas out of it. That was all I ever did but fill it with gas. I wish I still had it.
Now that I’ve had a chance to watch the entire video, I’m inclined to take another direction, especially if I got ahold of one with the exact same symptoms. I’d be willing to bet that’s an air leak somewhere - head bolts, crank seals…. Since this was built heavier than today’s and has more power I’d take it completely apart, clean up the P&C and rebuild it. I’d definitely get the intake and exhaust off and do a P/V test to pinpoint the leak. I’ll bet sealing it up would get it up to at least 90 PSI and maybe throwing on a new piston ring would push it over 100. I’m sure this wouldn’t be worth it for most, but I’d take it on as a challenge and just another learning experience, as you mentioned. I’ve got a newer curb find Toro in really good condition but if I found an older one with more power I’d probably hang onto it.
Yea,, at the point I gave up I would say it was repairable. It had lost some compression.. Junk in the muffler maybe as well
It probably could have come apart easy enough.
These are cool engines to mess with and this one didnt have any rust seize issues.
@@TheNovaJohnany ideas for making an exhaust mod, basically a bigger pipe out of the exhaust? 2 strokes and an exhaust mod make it way more powerful and sounds like a dirt bike. I'm doing one on a 5.5 Tecumseh engine mtd snowblower 2 stroke. It's been something my buddy and I have been giggling about for a while now and we're about to go ahead and hotrod it a little bit
lol,,,,I have had many actual custom cars and my last engine cost me around 10 grand. Not worth it really.
I will say that exhaust mods alone would unlikely produce any useable power benefits. Might make it sound faster lol
We have one from 76-79 it works great! I only use canned ethanol free mix from home depot. It starts and runs first few pulls every year. Replaced the diaphragm about 3 years ago but other than that it’s worth every penny that my grandpa paid for it
Always nice to hear these kind of stories!! Thanks for sharing..
I repaired an old one couple of years ago. It was a nicer machine.
Most of the machines a refurbish are around 20 years old but many of these machines juts don't pay to fix!
Just had another one, a redmax blower.. Too expensive for consumers to fix
Hi, great video. Im considering buying one of these, guy selling has kept it looking good, said he just replaced the starter drive gear. Was asking 250 cnd dollars brought it down to 190 , is this too much? Even if in good working condition?
If its in good working condition, not really, he was asking a bit much, especially early in the season but hey,,,,if your happy and its well maintained then its good!
Good luck with it!!
We don’t even take those in anymore in our shop. And me being mostly blind it takes me longer to do those. Plus, parts are scarce for these around here.
Sorry Brett,, I had a taste of that after 2 hospitalizations for diabetes! Could see, every thing was burry!
Yea,,I still see these up for sale,, guys trying to sell off what they have..
I started a snow service, I was dragging around a Troy-Bilt 24" good unit but it didn't clear the snow down to the concrete, my neighbor had the unit like you're working on I bought it for 50 bucks her name is Little Nicky she's noisy but she'll throw snow 30 ft, no more ramps, or taking hours to do the sidewalks Little Nicky will go as fast as I want! If you angle the pedals down it will self propel at a highest rate of speed
Just curious on your Mason logo being upside down😂?
I have a Snapper 3201 single stage 2-cycle. Probably around 40 years old. I love the goofy thing. It just won't quit. I rebuilt the Tecumseh carb and it works better than ever. I'll put some new rubber paddles on soon.
I luv the stories, I wanna steal ya phrase, 'goofy thing'
Its soo appropriate!
I got an old one coming up soon, its a real survivor! As much as I don't like these, the one I just finished isn't abused and came out nice!
I'm curious. What don't you like about these? This Snapper is simple, tough and moves a few inches of snow no problem. For deeper snow, I just fixed up an old MTD 2-stage. I'm looking forward to using a more serious machine! @@TheNovaJohn
@@markd9130 I talk about this in the video and others as well
We, as in mechanics can't fix these, they don't hold up to the kind of neglect and abuse people subject them too.
We are limited to what can be done in a repair or service because they won't sell for much either.
The most common issue is not getting the mix right and the engine dies. Plastic parts break.
As the mechanic, we have little time for a diagnostic and repair. No one will pay beyond $100 or so..
Understood. I thought maybe you had reasons beyond what you stated in the video. My old Snapper single-stage only runs because my labor is free. There were many years when I didn't have much money so I had to learn. Probably the same situation for many others. @@TheNovaJohn
I trash picked one of these and did pretty much the same things you did. Cleaned the carb, cleaned the tank, replaced the fuel line, replaced the diaphragm... It ran pretty well for about 10 minutes and moved a decent amount of snow. Then it died and I couldn't get it started again. It seems like it always runs fine until it warms up. It feels like it's starving for fuel. A leaky seal would make sense.
Gas cap vent could be plugged.
@@pswartz978 Yeah, that was my first thought. Wasn't it. The next time snow is in the forcast I'm gonna tear it apart again and try to get to the bottom of it. When it's running it has good power. The frustrating thing about working on snowblowers is you can't really fully test it until there's snow on the ground.
Pressure test the engine case with soap bubbles
Oh yea,, and you can also use a small vacuum pump with t gauge.
Been a while since we have seen one of these snowblowers. They worked awesome for what they were when they were being used but a bitch to work on. Kinds similar to the new quiet technology engines that require 2 days to remove bolts to access the carb eh?
LOL,, yea,, can be a task just to get some plastic covers off but these were very powerful as you know..Older tech these days and its time has gone.
Got a 200 & 620 if you want them😋
LOL hahahaha
But,,,,if they were taken care of then Yea!
CCR2000, 2450, 3000, and Toro's Snow commander are some badass reliable single stage 2stroke blowers. I came across one of these, they're extremely outdated. poor design.
I like the larger version of these. If they had some care then they are fine but they just cant be fixed after time and abuse. Too much effort and its sad cuz a little effort during its life and it would be fine!
Can you say 4x4 rc truck.
I can say it but why? Tell me more...
You were trying to start it engaged and running engaged before it even warmed up. Just saying.
There is NO Clutch, No way to Disengage the flappers! Look, it's right there! Did ya even watch the video?
Just saying.
@TheNovaJohn so the tensor for the belt on the side is just decorative I see. My bad.
its a belt tensioner, there isn't any control over it!
Many of these are cheap units, ok when they are new and cared for.
@@TheNovaJohnI have the same setup but a spring attached and a lever. Same casing. You think that thing pushes 3hp?
Must be a cheaper model, usually they have a handle like a mower and you have to hold it to throw snow,,
Remember, 2 strokes make power every 2 strokes so they usually can make about twice the power of an engine about the same size not to mention lighter with less moving parts!