PSA: Watch the entire video objectively then use some reasoning before you comment 😂 This video is highlighting why Better Man has failed in the box office. This isn't a review. The creative decisions and the way they decided to market it was not tailored to the mainstream...even though it had a mainstream budget. I don't discuss whether the film itself is good or bad. I didn't realise this was something I was going to have to explain 🥲 You can't make a niche movie on a mainstream budget. This movie shouldn't have been made this way. ~ gravel knot
I'm from the US, and I'm astounded they expected us to remember him at all. He had like, one hit in the 90s, then disappeared. Now, 30 years later he appears with a biopic? WTF?
I think they should marketed straight up like “I’m Robbie Williams some you may not know me…and some of you do. I think most can relate so here’s my story…and not a chimp” rather than “I’m Robbie Williams of course you know me. I’m awesome and a chimp so watch this”
Yeah, the hubris of Robbie Williams to assume that people will be able to just infer who he is based on name alone is really telling. Imagine if the movie was called "Robbie Williams: A Better Man" or something and instead of the pretentious chimp nonsense he was just incredibly competently digitally de-aged.
I think the monkey was a fantastic idea, but the problem is no one knows who he is. And if you're spending £110 million plus marketing, you need to have a solid base before doing that. You could make a Taylor Swift film and have her played by a CGI swan as she's Taylor Swift. No one in America knows Robbie Williams, so that budget can't be made back.
You are 100% right! Like I said, it was a cool concept, but it just didn’t align with the mainstream audience, especially because the movie’s largest demographic (America) doesn’t remember him
The only song i know from Robbie Williams is 'Millennium'. Which was kinda a hit in US, or at least i heard it alot on radio as a kid. But even then i didn't know he did the song, i just liked the song. Its crazy that they spent over $100 million on a biography movie. That genre is already kinda niche to begin with.
The song I know Americans are more aware of is Angels, but that’s still not that many people. The only way I would have greenlit this movie is if a) they didn’t make him a chimp 🤣 and b) the budget would have to be $30 Million MAX!
"Hey guys I have an idea! a CGI Monkey based biopic about a british pop act!" "Incredible! I cant believe we didnt think of it sooner! we can make a Gorillaz movie! It will make a billion easily!" "Gorillaz? No im talking about Robbie Williams, a man who no one outside of Britain has heard of in any capacity. Also it should cost 110 million dollars."
I was born in 1989 in the United States. Grew up in the 1990s and 2000s. I never heard of this guy until this year. Honestly I thought at first this is was a planet of the apes spin off
Thank you for your commentary, however, it's not just critics who love Better Man, but normal punters as well. Those of us who saw Better Man loved it. I remember Robbie Williams and Take That, they were part of the musical soundtrack for my youth. People who were not old enough to remember the 90s/2000s in the UK and Europe, cannot begin to comprehend how massive he was. He was part of the Zeitgeist. As well as playing the pyramid stage in Glastonbury in 1998, he did 3 gigs at Knebworth which were, until Taylor Swift recently took the record, the largest crowds that anyone had ever performed before. I wasn't even a particular fan. That said, I always had a bit of crush on Mark Owen and Robbie Williams. When I first saw ads for the movie, my initial reaction was how very Robbie Williamsesque to have himself portrayed by a bloody monkey. However, I found the whole discourse about the movie very bizarre. You say for many the cgi monkey left them confused and put them off. Yes it's a cgi monkey, but it's hardly a very difficult metaphor to understand, as you stated in the video; and unless you have a complete phobia to monkeys, that in itself shouldn't put you off. Also I presume you're talking about those who watched the trailer, because for those who saw the film, myself included, all say the same thing, you get used to the monkey within the first few minutes of the film and it becomes "normal". Everyone in the film reacts to "Robbie" normally and we the audience do the same. I'm sure there's a whole psychological element to this, but by doing something as alienating as having a human portrayed as a chimp, it somehow works to heighten his humanity and our ability to empathise with him. That is masterly film making.This is greatly helped by the motion capture work of the actor Jonno Davies, which is first class and the facial expressions which are so well rendered, in particular the eyes. "But, but, I've never heard of Robbie Williams" say many Americans. That's fair enough but google is your friend and who only goes to films about people you know, events that you're familiar with. Isn't part of the experience of any art form, music, films, theatre, the visual arts, discovering something new. Back to Better Man, that initial reaction by many Americans, 'who the hell is this guy anyway'; wouldn't have been so bad if people had left the discourse there, But no, the pearl clutching outrage was far more extensive. People seemed angry. How very dare they release a film in the USA about someone most Americans don't know and that looks a bit weird and different. People moan about remakes and franchises, boring formulaic movies, but when a film maker takes risks and tries something different, many go radio rental and don't even want to engage. What happened to intellectual curiosity? This film was financed independently by a number of production companies and various film incentive funds from the Australian government. Paramount bought the distribution rights. In releasing the movie, they probably thought people would approach it with some sort of curiosity and an open mind, rather than hatred from social media and a concerted effort to drown it at birth. I've never seen anything like this before over a movie. The film has made $17M worldwide so far, and is yet to open in South America, and on the African and Asian continents. Robbie Williams wasn't just popular in the UK and Europe. He's doing a world tour this year and has just completed sell out shows in Cape Town and Pretoria. His UK shows are sold out, save a few VIP packages left in Bath and Manchester etc. I tried to get ticket for London in June, nada. I appreciate the size of the US market, and this movie is going to lose alot of money, but you started your video by framing it as making $1.9M at the box office on a budget of $110M, that's $1.9M the US box office. The reasons the budget is so high for Better Man are (i) the CGI work from Wētā FX. (ii) Also, Better Man lost “millions of pounds” according to Gracey, when Queen Elizabeth II died. The film makers had arranged for London's Regent Street to be shut down for four nights so they could film a huge song and dance number to Rock DJ. Regent's Street is not owned by Westminster Council it is Crown Property, so you know the British Royal Family charged an arm and a leg for permission. Regent St is a major , major artery in the road system of central London, so closing it down for 4 nights is a huge and costly deal, but it was done. Then Queen Lizzie goes and dies before the filming is complete and the production had to be closed down, because we had 10 days of mourning in this country!! Gracey said: "So we lost all of the money. There's no insurance for the death of the Queen." He added "So we lost millions of dollars, and it took another five months to get back on that street, and we had to raise the money again. And every time I watch it, I think people have no idea how close we came to that not being in the film." If people can cope with witches with green faces and flying monkeys in Wicked, Better Man should be a breeze. We'd have the soul less rendition of one part of Bob Dylan's life in A Complete Unknown, which despite the star turns of Chalamet and Norton, gave us nothing new for the genre. And then there is the abomination that is Emilia Perez. All these films have been showered with awards and sizeable box office returns, whilst the far superior IMO, Better Man is ignored and has think pieces which (some certainly in tone) gleefully tell us why it didn't make money and is a financial flop. BTW, I'm not saying you took that tone. The biggest irony is that THIS film with it's cgi monkey and pop star that people either don't know, don't feel is worthy of a biopic or not relevant etc, IS by a country mile, one of the most human and relatable films many people have seen in a long time. It resonates and has something to say about the human condition because of it emotional depth, authenticity and above all honesty. That is why people react to it positively so it. And it was a very, very good idea to have made this movie. If film makers don't make bold decisions, cinema stagnates. One of my all time favourite films is Night of the Hunter (1955), directed by the great British actor Charles Laughton. It was beautifully shot, at times dreamlike and surreal, striking black and white cinematography, against a fairly conventional story of criminals, hidden loot and evil on the prowl. It was box office failure. The film's estimated budget was $795,000 and The film's worldwide gross was $5,105. Laughton never made another movie. It's now very highly regarded as a classic crime noir and cinema which shows just how far you can take the medium when you have the vision, the integrity and the guts to do so. Bearing in mind the themes of Better Man, it's almost on brand that Robbie Williams and film would end up causing so much controversy and be getting a metaphorical kicking and being ridiculed; but still producing something of critical and audience acclaim. I'll just keep making repeat visits, whilst it's still in the cinema in London, and help to bolster it's meagre box office.
Thank you for sharing! I always welcome different opinions about movies on this channel! I loved the additional information and context you provided. I will agree with you that film makers SHOULD be bold and make bold decisions when it comes to making movies. HOWEVER, at the end of the day Hollywood is still a business. I think, if you know you want to be bold with a concept for a new movie, you have to address with you have a high enough TAM (Total Addressable Market) to warrant a high production cost. Better Man's TAM didn't warrant the $110 million budget. For me, I think the reason this movie shouldn't have been made, or at least shouldn't have been made in THIS manner, is because there just wasn't enough people interested enough to actually GO TO the cinema to watch this movie, no matter HOW GOOD the film was. Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts!
@@gravelknot ❤ Thank you for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. I do think Better Man will become a cult classic and v popular once it starts streaming. I presume it will be on Paramount + I think Paramount's marketing of the film was lack lustre and unimaginative, so don't hold out great hopes for an improvement from them. The film will have to rely on it's own momentum and word of mouth.
Robbie tried to hide behide the chimp CGI because Americans dont know of him, so they tried to sell it as a Robbie movie to the UK and a Chips story to the US mark... but they played played themselves for acting like it had a deeper meaning about Robbies feelings 😆
@@gravelknot He was huge at the time (late '90s/early '00s) but I'd argue his star has waned significantly since then, even in the UK. It's not like he's been churning out hits the last 20 years.
He stole his biggest hit from another artist. Look it up! Here in the US When we saw the trailer in theaters with my 19 and 23 year old sons. I asked them if they knew that artist? Each said don’t know who that is!
@@gravelknot Irish Guy. Ray Heffernan. I can't post a link but if you look it up its fairly well known. Google him and irish independent and it'll come up.
He’s never played Glastonbury. Also I disagree with this take. Have you seen the movie? The issue here isn’t that they shouldn’t have made the film or that Robbie isn’t famous, in fact in my view fact this movie would be released in America at this cost is baked into the themes of the movie. The real issue is it wasn’t marketed as well as it should have been.. the could be due to the fact the studio was sold this year and as they actually only spent 25 mill acquiring the film it slipped down the priority list. There were clearly mistakes made here but the answer isn’t, take less risks or spend less money on trusted creative directors. If the movie was bad I’d agree
First of all, he played in 1998 🤣 I got it wrong that he headlined but he did perform. Secondly you are entitled to disagree, but I’m also entitled to think that you are delusional mate. You’ve asked if I watched the movie, but did you even watch the video? No one in the states cares about Robbie Williams. If they had just focused on telling his story, rather than turning him into a chimp and not explaining why in promotional pieces, it could have done better for sure.
@gravelknot critics and audience members. Look at the user rating on rotten tomatoes. I've never seen such a high proportion of 5 star reviews. The marketing department must have some responsibility
@ look, if you want to make an art piece movie, then make one with an art piece budget. It's as simple as that. They spent $110 Million on this movie. Sure the few people that watched it liked it, and that was never something I've denied. My point is that this movie's concept wasn't something well thought out for the target audience they were TRYING to reach. Hence the flop.
@gravelknot It's so weird to learn about this man 😂 he's one of the few artists to be big legitimately mainstream in the uk(if Rob fans aren't lying about his fame idk) to not even have an underground following here, there are bands from 50 years ago that bigger followings here than robbie does in the US
The biggest issue was that he didn't sing all the songs plus he didn't even act in the movie So a body double was used Why use another singer to sing his iconic songs Seems to have been an approach to get as much cash as possible I've no idea why so many reviewers never mentioned those 2 facts. That RW didn't sing most of the songs in the movie another singer did and RW didn't do much if any of the motion capture
This is SUCH a good point! They got a completely different actor to do EVERYTHING! Which makes no sense because I'm pretty sure Robbie would have been capable of doing it all himself.
@PanTumnus on top of that RW didn't even voice the chimp either it was Jonno Davies This movie is just too much. Doing a biopic about RW and the main thing RW is involved in is the marketing
Ok... so he had a bunch of hits in the late 1990's and early 2000's .... and then?... for over a 100 million dollar film... you needed a bit more than that...
as an audience member, you were well spoken, had good audio quality, but i feel the gifs you used were a bit jarring and took me out a bit. overall good video keep it up
I appreciate that! I’ve received feedback that the clips themselves got stale throughout the video so I tried incorporating some different elements, but I can completely see how the gifs can get jarring. I’m going to experiment with different editing techniques with subsequent videos moving forward, thank you for the feedback 🙏🏾
Fortunately though, despite the financial failure, Robbie, luckily isn't black, otherwise this would be considered a VERY racist movie. So at least they dodged that bullet.
"this movie shouldn't have been made cuz barely anyone watched it" My brother in Christ, you shouldn't make this RUclips video because in one day barely anyone has seen it. See how easy it is to flip the script?
If you WATCHED my video then you would realise I said they shouldn’t have made this video because the concept they used didn’t resonate with general audiences. I’m a small youtuber that has only been making videos for a month. So you haven’t really flipped anything to be honest. Thanks for the engagement though 🙏
PSA: Watch the entire video objectively then use some reasoning before you comment 😂 This video is highlighting why Better Man has failed in the box office. This isn't a review. The creative decisions and the way they decided to market it was not tailored to the mainstream...even though it had a mainstream budget. I don't discuss whether the film itself is good or bad. I didn't realise this was something I was going to have to explain 🥲
You can't make a niche movie on a mainstream budget. This movie shouldn't have been made this way.
~ gravel knot
I'm from the US, and I'm astounded they expected us to remember him at all. He had like, one hit in the 90s, then disappeared. Now, 30 years later he appears with a biopic? WTF?
I think they should marketed straight up like “I’m Robbie Williams some you may not know me…and some of you do. I think most can relate so here’s my story…and not a chimp” rather than “I’m Robbie Williams of course you know me. I’m awesome and a chimp so watch this”
You are exactly right! I think way more people would have appreciated the movie if they just kept it grounded!
Yeah, the hubris of Robbie Williams to assume that people will be able to just infer who he is based on name alone is really telling.
Imagine if the movie was called "Robbie Williams: A Better Man" or something and instead of the pretentious chimp nonsense he was just incredibly competently digitally de-aged.
@@observer4916 Yeah honestly the approach they took to telling his story wasn't very smart at all
I think the monkey was a fantastic idea, but the problem is no one knows who he is. And if you're spending £110 million plus marketing, you need to have a solid base before doing that. You could make a Taylor Swift film and have her played by a CGI swan as she's Taylor Swift. No one in America knows Robbie Williams, so that budget can't be made back.
You are 100% right! Like I said, it was a cool concept, but it just didn’t align with the mainstream audience, especially because the movie’s largest demographic (America) doesn’t remember him
@@gravelknot Good video though, dude.
@@bungle3912 Thank you bro 🤝
They almost spend as much money on a biopic with a cgi ape than Disney spent on kingdom of the planet of the apes that’s crazy lol.
I’m starting to think it’s some sort of tax evasion now 😂
The only song i know from Robbie Williams is 'Millennium'. Which was kinda a hit in US, or at least i heard it alot on radio as a kid. But even then i didn't know he did the song, i just liked the song.
Its crazy that they spent over $100 million on a biography movie. That genre is already kinda niche to begin with.
The song I know Americans are more aware of is Angels, but that’s still not that many people.
The only way I would have greenlit this movie is if a) they didn’t make him a chimp 🤣 and b) the budget would have to be $30 Million MAX!
Not really, a movie like Bohemian Rhapsody made almost a billion dollars at the box office
That movie was really good to be fair
Pretty obvious that without a lead star people think its daft, gimmicky and generally cant relate to it.
"Hey guys I have an idea! a CGI Monkey based biopic about a british pop act!" "Incredible! I cant believe we didnt think of it sooner! we can make a Gorillaz movie! It will make a billion easily!" "Gorillaz? No im talking about Robbie Williams, a man who no one outside of Britain has heard of in any capacity. Also it should cost 110 million dollars."
I don’t know how anyone can leave that boardroom thinking this was a good idea! 🤣
I was born in 1989 in the United States. Grew up in the 1990s and 2000s. I never heard of this guy until this year. Honestly I thought at first this is was a planet of the apes spin off
Planet of the Apes spin off 🤣
Thank you for your commentary, however, it's not just critics who love Better Man, but normal punters as well. Those of us who saw Better Man loved it. I remember Robbie Williams and Take That, they were part of the musical soundtrack for my youth. People who were not old enough to remember the 90s/2000s in the UK and Europe, cannot begin to comprehend how massive he was. He was part of the Zeitgeist. As well as playing the pyramid stage in Glastonbury in 1998, he did 3 gigs at Knebworth which were, until Taylor Swift recently took the record, the largest crowds that anyone had ever performed before. I wasn't even a particular fan. That said, I always had a bit of crush on Mark Owen and Robbie Williams. When I first saw ads for the movie, my initial reaction was how very Robbie Williamsesque to have himself portrayed by a bloody monkey. However, I found the whole discourse about the movie very bizarre. You say for many the cgi monkey left them confused and put them off. Yes it's a cgi monkey, but it's hardly a very difficult metaphor to understand, as you stated in the video; and unless you have a complete phobia to monkeys, that in itself shouldn't put you off. Also I presume you're talking about those who watched the trailer, because for those who saw the film, myself included, all say the same thing, you get used to the monkey within the first few minutes of the film and it becomes "normal". Everyone in the film reacts to "Robbie" normally and we the audience do the same. I'm sure there's a whole psychological element to this, but by doing something as alienating as having a human portrayed as a chimp, it somehow works to heighten his humanity and our ability to empathise with him. That is masterly film making.This is greatly helped by the motion capture work of the actor Jonno Davies, which is first class and the facial expressions which are so well rendered, in particular the eyes.
"But, but, I've never heard of Robbie Williams" say many Americans. That's fair enough but google is your friend and who only goes to films about people you know, events that you're familiar with. Isn't part of the experience of any art form, music, films, theatre, the visual arts, discovering something new. Back to Better Man, that initial reaction by many Americans, 'who the hell is this guy anyway'; wouldn't have been so bad if people had left the discourse there, But no, the pearl clutching outrage was far more extensive. People seemed angry. How very dare they release a film in the USA about someone most Americans don't know and that looks a bit weird and different. People moan about remakes and franchises, boring formulaic movies, but when a film maker takes risks and tries something different, many go radio rental and don't even want to engage. What happened to intellectual curiosity?
This film was financed independently by a number of production companies and various film incentive funds from the Australian government. Paramount bought the distribution rights. In releasing the movie, they probably thought people would approach it with some sort of curiosity and an open mind, rather than hatred from social media and a concerted effort to drown it at birth. I've never seen anything like this before over a movie. The film has made $17M worldwide so far, and is yet to open in South America, and on the African and Asian continents. Robbie Williams wasn't just popular in the UK and Europe. He's doing a world tour this year and has just completed sell out shows in Cape Town and Pretoria. His UK shows are sold out, save a few VIP packages left in Bath and Manchester etc. I tried to get ticket for London in June, nada. I appreciate the size of the US market, and this movie is going to lose alot of money, but you started your video by framing it as making $1.9M at the box office on a budget of $110M, that's $1.9M the US box office.
The reasons the budget is so high for Better Man are (i) the CGI work from Wētā FX. (ii) Also, Better Man lost “millions of pounds” according to Gracey, when Queen Elizabeth II died. The film makers had arranged for London's Regent Street to be shut down for four nights so they could film a huge song and dance number to Rock DJ. Regent's Street is not owned by Westminster Council it is Crown Property, so you know the British Royal Family charged an arm and a leg for permission. Regent St is a major , major artery in the road system of central London, so closing it down for 4 nights is a huge and costly deal, but it was done. Then Queen Lizzie goes and dies before the filming is complete and the production had to be closed down, because we had 10 days of mourning in this country!! Gracey said: "So we lost all of the money. There's no insurance for the death of the Queen." He added "So we lost millions of dollars, and it took another five months to get back on that street, and we had to raise the money again. And every time I watch it, I think people have no idea how close we came to that not being in the film."
If people can cope with witches with green faces and flying monkeys in Wicked, Better Man should be a breeze. We'd have the soul less rendition of one part of Bob Dylan's life in A Complete Unknown, which despite the star turns of Chalamet and Norton, gave us nothing new for the genre. And then there is the abomination that is Emilia Perez. All these films have been showered with awards and sizeable box office returns, whilst the far superior IMO, Better Man is ignored and has think pieces which (some certainly in tone) gleefully tell us why it didn't make money and is a financial flop. BTW, I'm not saying you took that tone.
The biggest irony is that THIS film with it's cgi monkey and pop star that people either don't know, don't feel is worthy of a biopic or not relevant etc, IS by a country mile, one of the most human and relatable films many people have seen in a long time. It resonates and has something to say about the human condition because of it emotional depth, authenticity and above all honesty. That is why people react to it positively so it.
And it was a very, very good idea to have made this movie. If film makers don't make bold decisions, cinema stagnates. One of my all time favourite films is Night of the Hunter (1955), directed by the great British actor Charles Laughton. It was beautifully shot, at times dreamlike and surreal, striking black and white cinematography, against a fairly conventional story of criminals, hidden loot and evil on the prowl. It was box office failure. The film's estimated budget was $795,000 and The film's worldwide gross was $5,105. Laughton never made another movie. It's now very highly regarded as a classic crime noir and cinema which shows just how far you can take the medium when you have the vision, the integrity and the guts to do so.
Bearing in mind the themes of Better Man, it's almost on brand that Robbie Williams and film would end up causing so much controversy and be getting a metaphorical kicking and being ridiculed; but still producing something of critical and audience acclaim.
I'll just keep making repeat visits, whilst it's still in the cinema in London, and help to bolster it's meagre box office.
Thank you for sharing! I always welcome different opinions about movies on this channel!
I loved the additional information and context you provided. I will agree with you that film makers SHOULD be bold and make bold decisions when it comes to making movies. HOWEVER, at the end of the day Hollywood is still a business. I think, if you know you want to be bold with a concept for a new movie, you have to address with you have a high enough TAM (Total Addressable Market) to warrant a high production cost.
Better Man's TAM didn't warrant the $110 million budget. For me, I think the reason this movie shouldn't have been made, or at least shouldn't have been made in THIS manner, is because there just wasn't enough people interested enough to actually GO TO the cinema to watch this movie, no matter HOW GOOD the film was.
Thank you once again for sharing your thoughts!
@@gravelknot ❤ Thank you for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. I do think Better Man will become a cult classic and v popular once it starts streaming. I presume it will be on Paramount + I think Paramount's marketing of the film was lack lustre and unimaginative, so don't hold out great hopes for an improvement from them. The film will have to rely on it's own momentum and word of mouth.
@@moodindigo3316 That is a good point, Better Man will probably end up having better performance on streaming services for sure!
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Robbie tried to hide behide the chimp CGI because Americans dont know of him, so they tried to sell it as a Robbie movie to the UK and a Chips story to the US mark... but they played played themselves for acting like it had a deeper meaning about Robbies feelings 😆
I actually NEVER thought of it like that 😭 no way that actually makes sense
Does anybody care about or even properly remember him?
He's hardly a Freddie Mercury like (and i'm speaking from the UK)
A UK Legend for sure, but that's as far as it goes. He doesn't come close to being as relevant as Freddie Mercury, especially in the States
@@gravelknot He was huge at the time (late '90s/early '00s) but I'd argue his star has waned significantly since then, even in the UK. It's not like he's been churning out hits the last 20 years.
@ That's very true
Ego work. Nothing else to say.
He stole his biggest hit from another artist. Look it up!
Here in the US
When we saw the trailer in theaters with my 19 and 23 year old sons. I asked them if they knew that artist? Each said don’t know who that is!
Wow I never knew this, is this actually true? I need more context, what was the artist's name?
@@gravelknot Irish Guy. Ray Heffernan. I can't post a link but if you look it up its fairly well known. Google him and irish independent and it'll come up.
He’s never played Glastonbury.
Also I disagree with this take. Have you seen the movie? The issue here isn’t that they shouldn’t have made the film or that Robbie isn’t famous, in fact in my view fact this movie would be released in America at this cost is baked into the themes of the movie. The real issue is it wasn’t marketed as well as it should have been.. the could be due to the fact the studio was sold this year and as they actually only spent 25 mill acquiring the film it slipped down the priority list. There were clearly mistakes made here but the answer isn’t, take less risks or spend less money on trusted creative directors. If the movie was bad I’d agree
First of all, he played in 1998 🤣 I got it wrong that he headlined but he did perform. Secondly you are entitled to disagree, but I’m also entitled to think that you are delusional mate.
You’ve asked if I watched the movie, but did you even watch the video? No one in the states cares about Robbie Williams. If they had just focused on telling his story, rather than turning him into a chimp and not explaining why in promotional pieces, it could have done better for sure.
@@gravelknot yeah, but have you seen the movie?
@@PeterZeeke yeah it was shit
Its a brilliant movie.
Like I said in the video critics loved it. But that still doesn’t mean it was a good idea.
@@gravelknotfinancially, maybe not. But as a film and piece of art it should be celebrated.
@gravelknot critics and audience members. Look at the user rating on rotten tomatoes. I've never seen such a high proportion of 5 star reviews. The marketing department must have some responsibility
@ look, if you want to make an art piece movie, then make one with an art piece budget. It's as simple as that. They spent $110 Million on this movie. Sure the few people that watched it liked it, and that was never something I've denied. My point is that this movie's concept wasn't something well thought out for the target audience they were TRYING to reach. Hence the flop.
@ The marketing department definitely deserves blame, that I can agree with
I admire when studios gamble on something new and different but...maybe they should have asked if anyone actually wanted this before committing to it?
I wonder if they even did any test screenings
Im american i thought robbie williams was a crooner in the same vein as sinatra or heck in modern times michael buble has no idea he was rockstar 😅
He was originally part of a boy band called Take That who we’re pretty popular in the UK
@gravelknot It's so weird to learn about this man 😂 he's one of the few artists to be big legitimately mainstream in the uk(if Rob fans aren't lying about his fame idk) to not even have an underground following here, there are bands from 50 years ago that bigger followings here than robbie does in the US
@@matthewdtheoriginalg6806 It's actually kind of surprising to me that his cult following wasn't bigger over in the States
The biggest issue was that he didn't sing all the songs plus he didn't even act in the movie
So a body double was used
Why use another singer to sing his iconic songs
Seems to have been an approach to get as much cash as possible
I've no idea why so many reviewers never mentioned those 2 facts. That RW didn't sing most of the songs in the movie another singer did and RW didn't do much if any of the motion capture
This is SUCH a good point! They got a completely different actor to do EVERYTHING! Which makes no sense because I'm pretty sure Robbie would have been capable of doing it all himself.
But he did sing all the songs in the movie a he actually also voice himslef in the movie. What are even talking about?
@PanTumnus it was a guy called Adam tucker from Norfolk in UK
@PanTumnus on top of that RW didn't even voice the chimp either it was Jonno Davies
This movie is just too much. Doing a biopic about RW and the main thing RW is involved in is the marketing
Ok... so he had a bunch of hits in the late 1990's and early 2000's .... and then?... for over a 100 million dollar film... you needed a bit more than that...
I’m confused by what you mean to be honest
@@gravelknot you have to be more famous than that...
@@ricardolorrio8228 yum… if you wanna turn him into a monkey and sell movie tickets I guess so
as an audience member, you were well spoken, had good audio quality, but i feel the gifs you used were a bit jarring and took me out a bit. overall good video keep it up
I appreciate that! I’ve received feedback that the clips themselves got stale throughout the video so I tried incorporating some different elements, but I can completely see how the gifs can get jarring.
I’m going to experiment with different editing techniques with subsequent videos moving forward, thank you for the feedback 🙏🏾
It's basically an egoistic film 🤣
They thought Robbie’s name alone would be enough to drive audiences to the cinema 🤦♂️
Fortunately though, despite the financial failure, Robbie, luckily isn't black, otherwise this would be considered a VERY racist movie. So at least they dodged that bullet.
This is hands down the funniest comment I’ve ever received 🤣
i just wish he was him and brits would have been more willing to watch it
They should have just made a regular biopic
But Robbie Williams does not deserve to have a film, let’s face it. He is delusional, bless him
Honestly a Robbie Williams biopic was always going to be a hard sell
"this movie shouldn't have been made cuz barely anyone watched it"
My brother in Christ, you shouldn't make this RUclips video because in one day barely anyone has seen it.
See how easy it is to flip the script?
If you WATCHED my video then you would realise I said they shouldn’t have made this video because the concept they used didn’t resonate with general audiences.
I’m a small youtuber that has only been making videos for a month. So you haven’t really flipped anything to be honest. Thanks for the engagement though 🙏
@@gravelknot I can tell you love engagement the way you like your own comments
@@closelaugh185 like my own comments? Ok bro now you just sound desparate 😭