The fact that a company would sell a product that does not function as advertised out of the box (Heroscape has always been sold on it's interlocking tile system) is frankly unacceptable. The customer should in no way need to damage or alter the product that they purchased at a premium to get it to function as intended. I would hope that folks are not enthusiastic about purchasing multiples of essentially a defective product with the intention of bringing it to a working order themselves. The company should be held to task if they are going to charge the prices that they are, and we should not reward them with our money otherwise.
My recent purchase of a ticalla jungle set for 133 doesn’t seem so bad all of a sudden.😅 Though I already have two sets of all of wave 1 already purchased (painted/unpainted) so I expect either a refund or a correction to the tree sets and even my two battle box sets. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Sir Heroscape I’ll definitely be emailing Renegade about this.
Thanks…I hoped my “honesty” would be received well. Now we wait for Renegade… I do not envy the position they’re in, this is definitely a monkey wrench thrown into everything.
I'll be emailing Renegade about this and sending a link to your video. I've already pre-ordered Wave 1, so I'll ask if this will be addressed before release.
They've definitely seen it, as they made some comments on discord about it. Basically just saying they are looking into it and will have more to say later. From Jordan Gaeta: "Hey all - just wanted to chime in to let you know that we're looking into the issue with the trees that came up in Sir Heroscape's video on our end. We want to take a look at the trees we have on hand and confirm some details. Some of the team is already out of the office today, so we will have more info to share tomorrow morning once we can round up all the facts!"
I built a big, multi-level map with this terrain pack and had no issue with the terrain working. I watched the whole video and I don’t think you showed that the trees/shrubs will sit flush if you push down slightly from above. While it definitely wants to slightly twist when it’s just resting in place (which I admit is odd), the hex will twist and sit flush when you apply a little pressure. When you connect the trees/shrubs to 2+ adjacent tiles as required, it holds them in place just fine. I bought an additional box this weekend after I saw how well they worked. I think it’s a great product, and this review seems a bit harsh.
I appreciate the feedback. It’s still my opinion that it is an issue…BUT Ive also had them for a while now and had the opportunity to build and play with them and it is workable. It’s still needs to be fixed on the main manufacturing side, but the pieces ARE still playable, agreed.
@@SirHeroscape definitely agree it was a significant oversight on their part! Thanks for the awesome content - as someone new to HS, your channel is invaluable!
Thanks for bringing up these issues! I certainly won’t be buying this kit and I think Renegade need to seriously consider 86’ing this one. I can only imagine the cost/benefit analysis that must be going on over there right now on whether or not they should pay to fix the mould or pay to hire some folks with sandpaper. 😅
Man dude. I cant believe the feelings you must have. Im a very long time dedicated HS fan and player for 20 years. I might have cried honestly or raged. You held your composure great and thanks for all your hard work and your videos. Scape on brother and hope to roll dice with you some day
@@SirHeroscape and I appreciate all that you have done over the years. If you are ever in the San Diego area please don't hesitate to reach out and contact me
@@SirHeroscape I've never played Heroscape, but I have purchased other expandable games from Renegade in the past where quality control issues in manufacturing have come up before, like major printing errors on cards or warped miniatures. In cases where these issues have occurred Renegade has been relatively good at stealth shipping corrected replacements to all customers they have on file having purchased the items containing said defect. With photographic confirmation they also tend to make said replacements readily available through their customer service for any of those who may have purchased the defect item out in the wild (where they normally wouldn't have your information on file). As for the defect items already out in the wild not yet sold (sitting in retail stores), those likely won't be recalled. But any restocks in the future at retail of said defect item in question will be the updated correction going forward. The only other thing to note here is that this particular Heroscape correction with the trees will likely take a little while to resolve on Renegade's end as they'll have to make a new mold for the tree/jungle bases in China and then ship the replacements to their HQ in the US, which will take time.
The difficult thing with the jungle terrain is that they presumably already made the expensive molds and likely most of the inventory already exists at this point. I can’t believe they designed a new version of the tile that does not match the other ones that they are making and then didn’t test to make sure it worked just like the other design. It honestly feels like they thought the smooth edge shape would look cool and jungly and never bothered to consider whether the shape of the bottom was important for any reason. Very frustrating since I want this launch to succeed and now they probably have a bunch of defective product on hand. Let’s just really really hope this doesn’t contribute to a failure of the reboot and they fix it immediately for every other product.
@@5hogg23 I think it is “doomed” in the sense that someday it will be discontinued again, but I don’t think it is doomed in the sense that it is a certainty it will fail right out of the gate. My understanding is that they already sold out the first round of pre-orders for painted versions of the battle box so there is at least some significant demand. I doubt they are going to have a solution to the trees that satisfies upset customers and the many other missteps and product flaws (like the randomly super sharp hex tops) are annoying, but I’m still hoping that they can sell enough to make it through the AoA content and keep going with some things we haven’t seen already. It is extra frustrating to watch them make so many errors while slowly rolling out product that avid fans have been aware of for two years now. There is no surprise to build excitement, just mild disappointment at the errors, cost, and the slow rate of the release of the content. If they can make it through the AoA content and announce something new, I think it will really improve morale among fans and boost the chances of longer term success.
Disappointing that the Grove peices don't fit. Hopefully this get fixed soon. There's no way I'm going to buy any Grove sets if they don't fit. The right thing to do would be for Renegade to refund everyone and do a re-release after they get it right
Bro, I feel you. You quoted my thoughts exactly with "How could it get this far?" Plop it on top of another hex and you can obviously see something is wrong. Baffling. I'll still buy one (down from 2), for the collection, but may or may not use it. I really appreciated the straightforward, honest review. Really glad they sent you one, and it was discovered now vs at Gencon.
While I definitely agree that it's crappy that they need to be shaved down, I guess the silver lining is that it's a relatively easy fix. 🤷♂️ Hopefully they'll see this video and do better in the future.
0 seconds ago Game Nerdz promptly cancelled my preorder and refunded the money. While I do like those cactus-looking plants, I have four sets of original Ticalla Jungle.
@@jonanjello wait, you cancelled or the seller Game Nerdz cancelled for you? Did they provide a reason? If so, Was it just the jungle they cancelled? Curious if they heard about the issue and decided to refund people
Have your tried fitting them to the new straight "upper" edge grass hexes on the 24-hex? Obviously this needs to be fixed but maybe their new "upper" hex shape fits with the new "inner" base of the jungle. 🤷♂️
Already submitted a ticket over this with Renegade. I'd rather them fix this BEFORE sending out ANY pre-orders even if it results in a delay of the launch. Would some people be upset? Sure, but it would be NOTHING compared to everyone getting their pre-orders in their current state and finding out about this only then. That's the kind of QC oversight that could kill this entire line all over again because nobody would trust Renegade after that; this stuff is FAR too high-priced NOT to expect these products to be done RIGHT out of the box. I haven't yet cancelled my pre-order but whether I do will depend on how Renegade responds to my support ticket. I strongly encourage EVERYONE reading this to do the same and let Renegade know this is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I don't think that's possible. Only hope is that these issues were from an earlier prototype printing and what we're receiving is a newer version with better manufacturing.
This looks pretty neat man may pick this up if I run into one at the store. I’m so happy battle box has some. Man that does suck tho how it can’t be placed on top out the box
@@chuganoga1908 it’s a little bit off yes, but it is still functionally workable. I’ve played with it a lot since then and while not ideal. You can still build maps with it well enough.
What I find weird, is that the cover (add one defense die when adjacent to the tree base against non adjacent attacks) rules are not in the Wellspring battle box even though it comes with two trees. I’ve got the tree box on preorder but I wouldn’t have known about the cover rule without this video. Your left thumb was covering the lower paragraph of the tree cover rules, but I was able to piece it together. 😂
Time Stamps: 0:00 - Opening Theme 0:09 - Introduction 0:52 - Setting up for unboxing 1:28 - Looking at the box 2:08 - Opening the box 3:21 - Looking at the Setup Guide 4:21 - Laur Bushes 6:36 - Laur Trees 8:54 - Placement Concerns 17:38 - DIY How to fix it 21:50 - This Cannot Fly 24:58 - Closing Thoughts 31:10 - Ending theme
Guess we are not making maps with trees and bushes on lvl 2. Lvl 1 only. I believe that was a design choice not a flaw. I mean in future editions they will fix this because of the up roar.
I hope the new terrain that they’re making doesn’t have this problem ….. im glad i only have to shave two tree’s down and not a whole box of them tho 😅
Man, that really sucks. I can see how it could be missed but it still shouldn't have happened. I hope this is corrected in future runs because it's going to make the set that literally comes with nothing but these defective pieces, a space warmer in warehouses around the country.
The damage has already been done for everyone who pre-ordered this... I'm not sure if I should cancel my order to avoid a defective product, or should I expect them to fix it prior to when they ship them out?
@@brianpeterson7028 The problem with all this DIY shaving is that it's going to permanently weaken the pieces randomly, and will shorten the product lifespan. I fully expect that within a year we'll start hearing from all the players whose trees and jungle pieces are cracking because it was impossible for everyone to get them shaved down to just exactly the right thickness to solve the problem but not make the bases structurally unable to withstand the normal twist and shear forces of building and unbuilding maps. This will be an expensive mistake for Renegade ... either they'll lose a fortune in shipping out replacement product, or they'll lose a fortune in customer ill will and lost sales. Already people have canceled their preorder plans (and I"m one of them).
@@billmartinson4205 that's a good point, we won't be able to "fix" them with the necessary precision to not eventually break them. I think most players have broken at least some perfectly normal pieces, so these would be even worse after trimming
The fact that a company would sell a product that does not function as advertised out of the box (Heroscape has always been sold on it's interlocking tile system) is frankly unacceptable. The customer should in no way need to damage or alter the product that they purchased at a premium to get it to function as intended. I would hope that folks are not enthusiastic about purchasing multiples of essentially a defective product with the intention of bringing it to a working order themselves. The company should be held to task if they are going to charge the prices that they are, and we should not reward them with our money otherwise.
@@mrcool5614 fo sho! Well said
I’ll make trees before I buy these defective ones. :(
Wow. That is a deal breaker. This needs a recall.
Thank you for your review. Cancelled my pre-order thanks to your video. Too bad I'll get defective trees with the battle box set.
My recent purchase of a ticalla jungle set for 133 doesn’t seem so bad all of a sudden.😅
Though I already have two sets of all of wave 1 already purchased (painted/unpainted) so I expect either a refund or a correction to the tree sets and even my two battle box sets. Thanks for bringing this to our attention Sir Heroscape I’ll definitely be emailing Renegade about this.
Everything you've said I absolutely agree with. There's nothing I can say really since I already gave my opinions on the trees in the first unboxing
Thanks, Sir H. I love how you handled this.
Thanks…I hoped my “honesty” would be received well. Now we wait for Renegade… I do not envy the position they’re in, this is definitely a monkey wrench thrown into everything.
100% warranted Sir H. This is a massive screw up. You hit it on the head, use the community!!!
I'll be emailing Renegade about this and sending a link to your video. I've already pre-ordered Wave 1, so I'll ask if this will be addressed before release.
They've definitely seen it, as they made some comments on discord about it. Basically just saying they are looking into it and will have more to say later.
From Jordan Gaeta:
"Hey all - just wanted to chime in to let you know that we're looking into the issue with the trees that came up in Sir Heroscape's video on our end.
We want to take a look at the trees we have on hand and confirm some details. Some of the team is already out of the office today, so we will have more info to share tomorrow morning once we can round up all the facts!"
Happy to hear that Renegade is at least listening to the community’s leading content creators!
Any updates?
I built a big, multi-level map with this terrain pack and had no issue with the terrain working. I watched the whole video and I don’t think you showed that the trees/shrubs will sit flush if you push down slightly from above. While it definitely wants to slightly twist when it’s just resting in place (which I admit is odd), the hex will twist and sit flush when you apply a little pressure. When you connect the trees/shrubs to 2+ adjacent tiles as required, it holds them in place just fine. I bought an additional box this weekend after I saw how well they worked. I think it’s a great product, and this review seems a bit harsh.
I appreciate the feedback. It’s still my opinion that it is an issue…BUT Ive also had them for a while now and had the opportunity to build and play with them and it is workable. It’s still needs to be fixed on the main manufacturing side, but the pieces ARE still playable, agreed.
@@SirHeroscape definitely agree it was a significant oversight on their part! Thanks for the awesome content - as someone new to HS, your channel is invaluable!
@@jeremyfrost3127 Glad you’ve found the game! And I appreciate your comments, it’s always good to hear from people.
Thanks for bringing up these issues! I certainly won’t be buying this kit and I think Renegade need to seriously consider 86’ing this one. I can only imagine the cost/benefit analysis that must be going on over there right now on whether or not they should pay to fix the mould or pay to hire some folks with sandpaper. 😅
You'll love this one Slugman, they did neither!
@@BriansBricks 😭😭😭
Man dude. I cant believe the feelings you must have. Im a very long time dedicated HS fan and player for 20 years. I might have cried honestly or raged. You held your composure great and thanks for all your hard work and your videos. Scape on brother and hope to roll dice with you some day
I appreciate that
@@SirHeroscape and I appreciate all that you have done over the years. If you are ever in the San Diego area please don't hesitate to reach out and contact me
@@SirHeroscape I've never played Heroscape, but I have purchased other expandable games from Renegade in the past where quality control issues in manufacturing have come up before, like major printing errors on cards or warped miniatures. In cases where these issues have occurred Renegade has been relatively good at stealth shipping corrected replacements to all customers they have on file having purchased the items containing said defect. With photographic confirmation they also tend to make said replacements readily available through their customer service for any of those who may have purchased the defect item out in the wild (where they normally wouldn't have your information on file). As for the defect items already out in the wild not yet sold (sitting in retail stores), those likely won't be recalled. But any restocks in the future at retail of said defect item in question will be the updated correction going forward. The only other thing to note here is that this particular Heroscape correction with the trees will likely take a little while to resolve on Renegade's end as they'll have to make a new mold for the tree/jungle bases in China and then ship the replacements to their HQ in the US, which will take time.
@@josephjones7828 this is great to know! Thank you for that detail
The difficult thing with the jungle terrain is that they presumably already made the expensive molds and likely most of the inventory already exists at this point. I can’t believe they designed a new version of the tile that does not match the other ones that they are making and then didn’t test to make sure it worked just like the other design. It honestly feels like they thought the smooth edge shape would look cool and jungly and never bothered to consider whether the shape of the bottom was important for any reason. Very frustrating since I want this launch to succeed and now they probably have a bunch of defective product on hand. Let’s just really really hope this doesn’t contribute to a failure of the reboot and they fix it immediately for every other product.
The reboot is doomed to failure, this could accelerate it depending on who screwed up and has to pay for new tooling.
@@5hogg23 I think it is “doomed” in the sense that someday it will be discontinued again, but I don’t think it is doomed in the sense that it is a certainty it will fail right out of the gate. My understanding is that they already sold out the first round of pre-orders for painted versions of the battle box so there is at least some significant demand. I doubt they are going to have a solution to the trees that satisfies upset customers and the many other missteps and product flaws (like the randomly super sharp hex tops) are annoying, but I’m still hoping that they can sell enough to make it through the AoA content and keep going with some things we haven’t seen already. It is extra frustrating to watch them make so many errors while slowly rolling out product that avid fans have been aware of for two years now. There is no surprise to build excitement, just mild disappointment at the errors, cost, and the slow rate of the release of the content. If they can make it through the AoA content and announce something new, I think it will really improve morale among fans and boost the chances of longer term success.
Disappointing that the Grove peices don't fit. Hopefully this get fixed soon. There's no way I'm going to buy any Grove sets if they don't fit. The right thing to do would be for Renegade to refund everyone and do a re-release after they get it right
If they brought a few veteran players on board for testing they could be sure to avoid mistakes like this
@@noahh688 agreed
Thank you for this video! I'm excited for new 'Scape, but will not be picking this up until the quality issues are fixed.
Bro, I feel you. You quoted my thoughts exactly with "How could it get this far?" Plop it on top of another hex and you can obviously see something is wrong. Baffling. I'll still buy one (down from 2), for the collection, but may or may not use it. I really appreciated the straightforward, honest review. Really glad they sent you one, and it was discovered now vs at Gencon.
While I definitely agree that it's crappy that they need to be shaved down, I guess the silver lining is that it's a relatively easy fix. 🤷♂️ Hopefully they'll see this video and do better in the future.
0 seconds ago
Game Nerdz promptly cancelled my preorder and refunded the money. While I do like those cactus-looking plants, I have four sets of original Ticalla Jungle.
@@jonanjello wait, you cancelled or the seller Game Nerdz cancelled for you? Did they provide a reason? If so, Was it just the jungle they cancelled? Curious if they heard about the issue and decided to refund people
I requested a cancellation and refund and they promptly did so.
Have your tried fitting them to the new straight "upper" edge grass hexes on the 24-hex? Obviously this needs to be fixed but maybe their new "upper" hex shape fits with the new "inner" base of the jungle. 🤷♂️
I made this same comment in the chat. if they do fit the new hex shapes if love if they just changed all the hexes to that.
Already submitted a ticket over this with Renegade. I'd rather them fix this BEFORE sending out ANY pre-orders even if it results in a delay of the launch. Would some people be upset? Sure, but it would be NOTHING compared to everyone getting their pre-orders in their current state and finding out about this only then. That's the kind of QC oversight that could kill this entire line all over again because nobody would trust Renegade after that; this stuff is FAR too high-priced NOT to expect these products to be done RIGHT out of the box.
I haven't yet cancelled my pre-order but whether I do will depend on how Renegade responds to my support ticket.
I strongly encourage EVERYONE reading this to do the same and let Renegade know this is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
I hope the alignment gets fixed asap. Not looking forward to filing every single jungle piece especially since I’m eventually getting several 😅
How has Renegade not hired you yet as a consultant on the HS relaunch?!
Now that they have this feedback, I hope the Battle Box and Laur sets get corrected in time, if not delayed a bit.
I don't think that's possible. Only hope is that these issues were from an earlier prototype printing and what we're receiving is a newer version with better manufacturing.
This looks pretty neat man may pick this up if I run into one at the store. I’m so happy battle box has some.
Man that does suck tho how it can’t be placed on top out the box
@@chuganoga1908 it’s a little bit off yes, but it is still functionally workable. I’ve played with it a lot since then and while not ideal. You can still build maps with it well enough.
@@SirHeroscape that’s great to know man atleast now I know more or less what to expect thanks to your video appreciate you
Gonna have to dremel or file the six indents a bit:/
sad to hear that there's already a problem with the new hexes, but good to know it's an easy fix with a bit of sandpaper.
They had one job.
This really isn't rocket science. They had an existing product to copy, all they really needed was a 3D scanner.
What I find weird, is that the cover (add one defense die when adjacent to the tree base against non adjacent attacks) rules are not in the Wellspring battle box even though it comes with two trees. I’ve got the tree box on preorder but I wouldn’t have known about the cover rule without this video. Your left thumb was covering the lower paragraph of the tree cover rules, but I was able to piece it together. 😂
Any updates in regards to this being fixed, or am I likely to expect my pre-order like this? 🙃
I was looking forward to more trees and bushes. Now, not so much - if i gave to customize it, i might as well scratch build stuff and save my $$$.
Time Stamps:
0:00 - Opening Theme
0:09 - Introduction
0:52 - Setting up for unboxing
1:28 - Looking at the box
2:08 - Opening the box
3:21 - Looking at the Setup Guide
4:21 - Laur Bushes
6:36 - Laur Trees
8:54 - Placement Concerns
17:38 - DIY How to fix it
21:50 - This Cannot Fly
24:58 - Closing Thoughts
31:10 - Ending theme
Guess we are not making maps with trees and bushes on lvl 2. Lvl 1 only. I believe that was a design choice not a flaw. I mean in future editions they will fix this because of the up roar.
I hope the new terrain that they’re making doesn’t have this problem ….. im glad i only have to shave two tree’s down and not a whole box of them tho 😅
so i guess you'll still have business making custom jungle terrain
Man, that really sucks. I can see how it could be missed but it still shouldn't have happened. I hope this is corrected in future runs because it's going to make the set that literally comes with nothing but these defective pieces, a space warmer in warehouses around the country.
@@JimmysALilGirl agreed!
Thanks for sharing, I plan to cancel my order tomorrow unless their statement gives any reason to hope.
Are the canopies built to be attached once and set or to be removed between games?
@@JustinFeyereisen I believe they’re meant to be removable easily
I'm used to mold lines on my warhammer minis so I can carve into these. Sucks the product is that way
@Sir Heroscape Did they get back to you about this yet?
@@Braains not that I’ve seen, no
@@Braains correction, they responded I just didn’t see it.
@@SirHeroscape Just curious, what'd they say on the matter?
The damage has already been done for everyone who pre-ordered this... I'm not sure if I should cancel my order to avoid a defective product, or should I expect them to fix it prior to when they ship them out?
Thnx for sharing
My trees don't fit right on the terrain. Feelsbadman
Glad I waited on this 😬
Tips for shaving ??
Yes I'd love to see the process of shaving too before doing it myself, because I don't want to destroy it
@@brianpeterson7028 The problem with all this DIY shaving is that it's going to permanently weaken the pieces randomly, and will shorten the product lifespan. I fully expect that within a year we'll start hearing from all the players whose trees and jungle pieces are cracking because it was impossible for everyone to get them shaved down to just exactly the right thickness to solve the problem but not make the bases structurally unable to withstand the normal twist and shear forces of building and unbuilding maps. This will be an expensive mistake for Renegade ... either they'll lose a fortune in shipping out replacement product, or they'll lose a fortune in customer ill will and lost sales. Already people have canceled their preorder plans (and I"m one of them).
@@billmartinson4205 that's a good point, we won't be able to "fix" them with the necessary precision to not eventually break them. I think most players have broken at least some perfectly normal pieces, so these would be even worse after trimming
Say hex one more time..
Why not just place them on lvl 1 of the map? That way you're not covering any of your other tiles?
@@natedillow1725 you can definitely do that, but a terrain piece shouldn’t only be viable to build on lvl1
Lower the price on this first edition trees, get rid of them, and release a corrected design in a second edition. ASAP.