Oh wow! That open source component program sounds really interesting. I'd love a deep dive on that. I can't seem to find much about it in a quick youtube search.
This seems like the sort of thing that would make a lot of sense to not have included in the cost cap. i.e. if a team wants to spend a lot of money on something that would benefit the community as well as themselves, then go right ahead. I could see this maybe being a source of genuine innovation if done right.
@@KirtFitzpatrick then every team would claim that most of their engineers are working on those components in order to exclude their wages from the cost cap
Some of us hate this idea. It brings F1 closer to a spec series. People dont want a field of evenly matched cars where any driver can win on race day. It just gets generic feeling. No dynasties or seeing the underdog beat the odds. No heartbreak when a dominate team falls off or the tears to drink for the other fans. We want the highs and lows not mediocrity across the board. We will see how it plays out this year but its mostly just a way to handicap the big players and boost the struggling teams. You know merc and rb will still develop components so the teams without the same resources can catch up
I have a suggestion for an upcoming video. How about comparing safety elements throughout the years? I mean I know it is a sensitive subject as you may have to present crashes over the years but I think it would be very interesting
@@ultimatederp5069in the past it would cut in and out like they were doing it live over skype or something rather than writing down the questions and having him record his answer locally.
@@cavemanindustries5102 maybe they fixed it a bit. We will see how the next video goes. I still don't think he has a nice new mic and his room is not an audio room.
Yeah I thought that was heavy as hell. I mean the are not that far off from a good racing wheel for a regular car. Sure the F1 wheel are probably bigger than the road car counterpart but still. I have read somewhere that the wheels for F1 was around 10kg in past so hearing 21kg was a little shocking to be honest. Also it might improve the racing and economy but I am not a fan of "stock" parts.
@@sebulbathx I think these open source ones are worse, cause they effectively mean: "You can develop them, but there's no point, so if you want to waste money, then do it for sure!"
Sadly that is not true, but is one of the coolest origin stories in F1. But weight savings was the reason the drivers overalls went from stitched on sponsor logo patches to them being printed on, like your typical t-shirt prints. But that was forbidden after a while on the grounds of safety as the printed logos would probably be flammable in case of a fire. And everything on the drivers race suit has to be fire proof or at least fire retardant. Crazy. what would the weight savings even be on printed logos vs stitched logos.
Yes, it's very unfair to call 80s turbo era unsafe, it was the biggest leap in safety in f1 history. After carbon fiber was introduced the 80s was closer to now in terms of safety than they were to the 70s or early 80s. Yes it was unsafe compared to now, but it was the first period in f1 history where death didn't become a given. That's massive.
He said “the early turbo period”, showing the Renault RS10 of 1979. The RS01 turbo first ran in 1977. The Lotus 88 and McLaren MP4/1 introduced CF monocoques in 1981. There wasn’t a significant number on the grid until 1983. So 1977-1982, early turbo years before widespread CF.
It’s not only thanks to Scarbs but thanks to the whole team for constantly putting out interesting and informative content. Pat yourselves on the back, you guys deserve it. Just showing some appreciation
Interesting stuff. Could you / Scarbs do a video on what an open-canopy single-seater car would look like with zero restrictions? ie absolute maximum performance over F1-length race with no budget or technical limitations?
What I find funny is that the FIA has open source components, essentially, killing part development because it has to be shared. That directly hampers innovation in the name of a more equitable field. I get that, but rewarding innovation?
With LeClerc setting the Albert Park lap record, I’m curious: Do you know why Schumacher’s Bahrain lap and Rubens Monza lap still hold the records? With the big downward trend in lap times, it seems odd for those records not to have been broken? All other track records have been broken since 2018
Australia course was changed recently turn 9 & 10 were eliminated ( the old chicane), plus turn 1 has been widened by 2.5m. turns 6 & 15 (now 13) have been widened by 3.5m. the estimation is laps for F1 will be approx 5 seconds faster, the laps times wont be directly comparable. Maybe changes at Bahrain and Monza slowed the track to a point where those laptimes are just no longer achievable.
I have nothing against Mr Scarborough, but to have him on a skype call quality in terms of audio and video does hurt the overall quality of the videos, in my humble opinion... I subscribed because of the good quality content, your personality and the way you deliver technical info in an accessible manner. Would you consider get the info from him (while giving him credit for it of course) and deliver the info yourself instead ?
There actually exist zoom/skype like services that you can use to have meetings with, but the video and audio is recorded at each user's side. After you're done, the files get transferred and the quality is as if you've recorded with the person in the same room.
I can see I'm going to be the voice of dissent where the new rules are concerned: The cars are overweight because they are way too complicated and far too big.
Sadly this is true. They should be a lot less complex and also harder to drive. I've never watched any single seater racing other than F1. Last year I cought the coverage of F2 session before F1 started. And I have to admit, they looked better. Much simpler and easier on the eye. And what shocked the most was that they went into hard corners with the brake discs glowing, spitting visible fireballs out from the exhaust while downshifting and sounded pretty damn good while doing all that. Take note F1. Unfortunately the racing is not for me due to the flow of drivers coming and going all the time and the skill level being from wall to wall.
Cool episode as always. I'm curious. What do you reckon the weight range of all the drivers are? I mean you've got the taller ones. How much more do they weigh?
Having painted hundreds of race cars over my years, you are not wrong in saying ‘saving kilos by reducing paint.’ It is NOT just grams of paint. It’s huge!
Yeah these cars eat all week and then only go on a jog one day. Then a mile lap timed the next day. The final they push themselves to finish the marathon and some collapse and retire. Unhealthy cars.
Especially with the cost cap I'm not a big fan of the minimum weight, because these cars while still being one of the fastest on earth lose some of their edge due to their high mass. In my opinion the FIA should "just" set the safety standards, which the teams have to clear. A lighter car will have less energy in the event of a crash therefore they'll won't need a crash structure as big as they are now. Everythin is connected to each other in the developement of a F1 car. And if a team spends a bonkers amount of money on something like titanium alloys in order to decrease weight due to the cost cap they won't have as much money to develope their aero kit as other teams. Simple as that. Which would really create a interesting challenge tradeoff-wise for the engineers.
I’m a big fan of risk. That being said I watched live the race that took Ayrton Senna’s life. This is something I never want repeated. The risk is still there make no mistake but everything that has been done and hopefully will be done to mitigate such tragedy is worth its weight in gold.
No relation to car build. Suspension broke off before the race and the team made a really bad last minute weld to "fix it". Obviously it broke and Senna died. I'm sure if there was no bad weld and Senna ran in a completely fine car, and Senna somehow managed to hit the wall at the same speed, he would have survived.
@@charlie9ine I don't know what that means but the thing that killed Senna was the poorly welded suspension. If it was normal and fixed properly it never would have hit him on the head. He would just be talking about how big that shunt was and how terrible Tamburello corner was
@@R9naldo You still don't get it. it's very simple. I saw Ayrton Senna die. Whatever the reason I don't want to see anyone die in a Formula one car or any car for that matter again. If it's about improving safety I'm in favour.
@@charlie9ine It's good that they are making it safer but it's ridiculous how ugly the cars are now. Overweight and oversized. And no wonder viewership rates are falling. People want to see loud screaming cars that look like they're on edge. There will always be a risk as a motorsport driver. And theres nothing to be done about that
I understand that the wheels are now a spec part, and they are aluminum. And when you put it in the light of 100 wheels per weekend, that would be an significant cost for carbon fiber wheels. But there was budget for the teams wheels beforehand. Or has the cost cap been factored so tightly in regs to the safety, and spec parts increases? So yes, the early stages of the cars development and redesigns are showing in most all teams. Red Bull's progress thru this new car and lasts years development,and success, should be congrats...It's just that wheel weight plays other rolls in handling/steering, as well as braking/acceleration (ie: racing). More so with the increased size and weight at the corners, negatively. They can talk about contact patch, but smaller is better for turning, braking, accelerating and I believe ride quality, as we see with porpoising. Stiffer tire sidewalls contributing to that effect. Fifteen inch aluminum wheels would even be a dynamic improvement...Test it and show me wrong! From a design concept and limitation factor, along with increased safety concerns, the cars are becoming pigs, that you're asking jockeys to manhandle for hours all weekend. Even on circuits that were new and challenging last year. And spoken of as dangerous this year Along wiith added sprints and race weekends. I don't know if your "dreamers" have a good grip on the reality of everything that they want to achieve, all at the same time.
If I remember correctly, drivers and top 3 paid employees are not included in the budget cap. Also marketing costs are not included. I think there are more exceptions but those are the ones I remember at the time.
You know why the hybrids aren’t going away any time unless we go full hydrogen powered or fully electric. That won’t be happening anytime soon. Also teams invested millions into to hybrid equipment they will not so willing to just drop it.
@@DoctorAustin I agree but people think they’re too heavy because they are in comparison older cars. I don’t like comparing older cars to each other as they are built under different rules. But people do it anyway.
I really noticed the extra weight of the cars in the first race, the cars looked slow and ponderous particularly in the low speed corners. In Saudi the cars looked great, high speed with lots of downforce and the new cars seemed to really come alive.
at what point does the weight of the car become a safety issue...i mean think of the grosjean crash and the halo saving his life....would a lighter car penetrated the barrier in the same way?
Please do a video on how Ferrari are so fast even while experiencing alot of porpoising also why redbull are experiencing reliability issues so early in the season.
Just allow refueling again to have lighter cars. You can easily allow refueling while still having safety by adjusting pitstop rules in terms of pitstop times and how fast the teams are allowed to go esp in terms of removing the fuel pump and releasing the car.
let me ask a question to Scrabs... It is possible to make a smaller car, like in the 90th, with the same level of safety? and if is possible how many kg could be saved?
Best era of safety and weight is the 3.0l v10 no hybrid had all the safety just wasnt as strong as todays example FW25 my fav car was 605kg with 930 hp bmw v10 the next year Juan Pablo with a FW26 had the all out Monza record which was broken in 14 years late by Kimi
Cannot understand the logic of the FIA, increasing the weight of safety structures and than calculating ( because someone must have figured this out right?) a car min weight that’s so difficult to achieve, thereby encouraging the teams to cut weight somewhere is might cause other safety problems.
Im sorry i dont believe for a moment the PU is 150kg. There is no god damn way. ICE - 75 Kg Battery Pack - 20Kg Turbo and MGU-K 15Kg Control Electronics 5Kg I make that 115 Kilo
If the FIA would get rid of the hybrid system, the teams could save quite a lot of weight and money. It might well make for better racing. I certainly do applaud the advances they have made in safety in the last couple years. We have a lot of good fellows roaming the planet that otherwise might not be.
Everything's gaining weight! My first car was a Porsche 914, which weighed 2,194 lb. I then got an Alfa GTV6 - 2668 lb. I then got an Audi 90 Quattro Coupe - 3174 lb. Then I got an BMW E36 M3 Coupe - 3219 lb. Now I have an Infiniti G35 Coupe - 3435 lb.
Could you do a video on how someone could get into driving F1? I’ve always been fascinated by it, and I can’t seem to gain weight so I figure I could put my lightness to use haha
@@v10-e8y ahhh okay, thanks for the info🙏🏼 must be a lot of politics involved if you need to start at 6 years old!! Plus, I’m a little short on funds lol maybe my kid will be an F1 driver
I was thinking the same thing , that the car is crazy light compared to anything we've seen in real life , but in F1 these cars are considered so heavy they just hear fat jokes all day . Goes to show how advanced F1 is when it comes to engineering
every driver complains about how heavy they are and even on tv they look lethargic and boaty especially in monaco. Something should be done to cut the weight
Around an average length lap, one kilogram of extra weight costs 0.03s of lap time - if you are 10kg over the minimum weight, you are losing 0.3s per lap, every lap.
@@janbo8331 I get that, but why raise the minimum? Sounds like the team’s problem not the FIA. Is it a concern of disparity once rival teams trims the fat?
@@EdgardoGates I agree, it's the team's problem. They always try to lobby rules that would benefit them. The ones with most money and influence try the hardest. I would assume the base of their argument is cost-related, but I hope the FIA doesn't cave in on them.
I didn't know for the open source parts ! I think it's a very clever way of doing things : each team must do their own parts, but they have no incentives to spend time and efforts to gain on the performance because others teams can just legally copy without the hassle of doing development. Such a good idea, and I dig the cost cap too, I think we'll have cost races this year.
@@adamn7125 I'm sure engineers will find clever ways to design parts that would give more benefit to their team cars than to competitors trying to copy it.
would make more sense if they had to release the designs after the season, then they could keep the advantage for that year, but others can catch up for the next
What about the hybrid power units? Surely you should have mentioned them when talking about the jump from the cars of the v8 era and before? They weigh a LOT. And the battery is not a load bearing structure so it gets even heavier.
Speed benefits are too great to get rid of them. They have never had more linear powerbands and that much torque that early in the rpm range is a game changer. Plus you lose about 23% efficiency if you remove that so you're going to be carrying roughly 23% more fuel. The hybrid system isn't like what you think of in a prius or something where it's to help save some fuel. No these things bring hp to the table a lot of it through the entire rpm range something you cannot get with just internal combustion engines
@@n111254789 why would you want a linear powerband when it comes to racing excitement and passion? It just enables the drivers to cruise - which they sometimes have to given they can only run 3 engines per season and they don’t have to be as precise with their throttle inputs. They cost a shit ton of money per engine and the tech is so prohibitively expensive that no new teams or manufacturers have joined. And while it brings hp to the table, it also brings weight. The biggest jump in weight we have seen in any era change. The weight makes the polar moment of inertia (the ability of the car to change direction) worse so they are less dynamic and exciting to watch and drive. The don’t squirm under braking and exit. They don’t dance. They don’t quiver over kerbs. They are heavy. And speaking of weight, the power to weight ratios of the v10 F1 cars for example, utterly destroy todays cars. 850+ hp and they weighed 605kg in 2004. Even if it was inferior power to weight, their overall lightweight and incredible noise makes them much more exhilarating to watch - and many say drive. As for economy, why should F1 be about that unless it’s not just about racing anymore? It used to be more focused on pure racing. But now it’s a complicated beast and the v6h are part of what has sullied the racing aspect of the sport. And yes while the v6 hybrids are incredible technical achievements and amazingly efficient, they have also caused a lot of headaches as mentioned above. But with the relentless drive to all things EV. I get that this is the only way to go. That being said, it doesn’t mean I can’t say it’s at the expense of the racing and the passion and it doesn’t mean it’s without major faults
Oh wow! That open source component program sounds really interesting. I'd love a deep dive on that. I can't seem to find much about it in a quick youtube search.
This seems like the sort of thing that would make a lot of sense to not have included in the cost cap. i.e. if a team wants to spend a lot of money on something that would benefit the community as well as themselves, then go right ahead. I could see this maybe being a source of genuine innovation if done right.
@@KirtFitzpatrick then every team would claim that most of their engineers are working on those components in order to exclude their wages from the cost cap
I’ve literally never heard of this. This is the stuff you get with someone like Scarbs. Thanks @driver61!
Yeah wouldnt mind access to that cloud server
Some of us hate this idea. It brings F1 closer to a spec series. People dont want a field of evenly matched cars where any driver can win on race day. It just gets generic feeling. No dynasties or seeing the underdog beat the odds. No heartbreak when a dominate team falls off or the tears to drink for the other fans. We want the highs and lows not mediocrity across the board. We will see how it plays out this year but its mostly just a way to handicap the big players and boost the struggling teams. You know merc and rb will still develop components so the teams without the same resources can catch up
I have a suggestion for an upcoming video. How about comparing safety elements throughout the years? I mean I know it is a sensitive subject as you may have to present crashes over the years but I think it would be very interesting
Plus how some of these were carried over to our own cars.
I think it could be a great homage to the drivers who gave their lives and how there sacrifice has driven innovation in safety.
@@GonzoDonzo good point 👏🏼
@@GonzoDonzo Yeah agree! It would make for an intersting video not the crashes but the innovations.
Thank you for fixing the recording quality of Scarbs! It made it hard to watch before when he was on.
they probably gave him a new webcam :D
He's just in a different room with less echo. Not much of a fix.
@@ultimatederp5069in the past it would cut in and out like they were doing it live over skype or something rather than writing down the questions and having him record his answer locally.
@@cavemanindustries5102 maybe they fixed it a bit. We will see how the next video goes. I still don't think he has a nice new mic and his room is not an audio room.
Honestly, Scarbs and Scott seem like such great people to hang out with. I'd love to just meet them and chat for a while. You guys are awesome!
2022 cars be like , "It's just the covid lockdown weight , I'll lose it soon ".....
I was trying to lose weight but I keep finding it on my hips. Any tips for losing it and actually forgetting where I put it?
They want you to be fat, obedient and poor and they think its funny
@@skippityblippity8656 watching F1 will do that, they didn't need to plan a demic too
The lockdown ended a year ago where I live lol
Hello again! I keep seeing you around.
I see why Alpha Tauri have Yuki Tsunoda now. That saves about 20kgs on everyone else.
Blaming the weight increase on safety is a complete joke.
21 kg for one rear wheel?! Wow, that's crazy heavy. All the unsprung mass and inertia.
Yeah I thought that was heavy as hell. I mean the are not that far off from a good racing wheel for a regular car. Sure the F1 wheel are probably bigger than the road car counterpart but still. I have read somewhere that the wheels for F1 was around 10kg in past so hearing 21kg was a little shocking to be honest. Also it might improve the racing and economy but I am not a fan of "stock" parts.
I was thinking that they will start seeing injuries in the pit crews, that’s a lot of weight to be bending and twisting with
@@sebulbathx I think these open source ones are worse, cause they effectively mean:
"You can develop them, but there's no point, so if you want to waste money, then do it for sure!"
AND tire... the wheel itself is only 7-8kg
@@TurboJLo Yes and don't forget about the air in the tire!
The best host. Great explanation. 👍
Finally Scarbs' audio is good! Thanks for that
Paint having weight is why Mercs are "silver arrows".
You know it !!!
You mean were, they’re more like dull grey
It’s wild that they pull stickers off to save weight. No sport like it.
Sadly that is not true, but is one of the coolest origin stories in F1.
But weight savings was the reason the drivers overalls went from stitched on sponsor logo patches to them being printed on, like your typical t-shirt prints. But that was forbidden after a while on the grounds of safety as the printed logos would probably be flammable in case of a fire. And everything on the drivers race suit has to be fire proof or at least fire retardant.
Crazy. what would the weight savings even be on printed logos vs stitched logos.
So stupid when people call Mercedes-Benz, "Mercs". They're not Mercury's. If one must shorten the name, then call them, "Benz". M-m-m-kay?
great content. youve actualy got me back watching the races again.
I have to correct Craig here: with the invention of carbon fiber, the cars actually became lighter AND much safer ;-)
Craig thinks that smegma smells like fish and not cheese
@@Hotmaildotcomz 🤣
Yes, it's very unfair to call 80s turbo era unsafe, it was the biggest leap in safety in f1 history. After carbon fiber was introduced the 80s was closer to now in terms of safety than they were to the 70s or early 80s.
Yes it was unsafe compared to now, but it was the first period in f1 history where death didn't become a given. That's massive.
Yeah but they are still the heaviest they’ve ever been
He said “the early turbo period”, showing the Renault RS10 of 1979. The RS01 turbo first ran in 1977. The Lotus 88 and McLaren MP4/1 introduced CF monocoques in 1981. There wasn’t a significant number on the grid until 1983. So 1977-1982, early turbo years before widespread CF.
It’s not only thanks to Scarbs but thanks to the whole team for constantly putting out interesting and informative content.
Pat yourselves on the back, you guys deserve it.
Just showing some appreciation
Interesting stuff.
Could you / Scarbs do a video on what an open-canopy single-seater car would look like with zero restrictions? ie absolute maximum performance over F1-length race with no budget or technical limitations?
you should make a video about historic f1 circuts passing away.
They're also absolutely fucking huge. I would be easy to save a kilo if they were 1.5 meter shorter, for instance.
In the words of Colin Chapman: simplify and add lightness
What I find funny is that the FIA has open source components, essentially, killing part development because it has to be shared. That directly hampers innovation in the name of a more equitable field. I get that, but rewarding innovation?
Best channel for F1!!!
Thanks scabs. Can always count on you!!
Wow! You’re almost at a million subscribers. This is well deserved. 👏🏾
An easily digestible explanation. Thank You.
fyi 5:06 wheel covers are not 3d printed. they are injection molded if plastic, die-formed aluminum or resin-layered if carbon fiber...
I just loved that you guys used Stefan Bellof pictures ❤️
With LeClerc setting the Albert Park lap record, I’m curious:
Do you know why Schumacher’s Bahrain lap and Rubens Monza lap still hold the records? With the big downward trend in lap times, it seems odd for those records not to have been broken?
All other track records have been broken since 2018
Australia course was changed recently turn 9 & 10 were eliminated ( the old chicane), plus turn 1 has been widened by 2.5m. turns 6 & 15 (now 13) have been widened by 3.5m. the estimation is laps for F1 will be approx 5 seconds faster, the laps times wont be directly comparable. Maybe changes at Bahrain and Monza slowed the track to a point where those laptimes are just no longer achievable.
@@v10-e8y thanks!!
So removing the driver, the engine is closer to 22.5%, a lot more then roughly 15
Consistent high quality content.
Really good video, very simple and understandable breakdown of the way the weight is allocated as well!
Scarbs is so good for this channel, i have learnd a lot more about f1 because his explanations.
I have nothing against Mr Scarborough, but to have him on a skype call quality in terms of audio and video does hurt the overall quality of the videos, in my humble opinion...
I subscribed because of the good quality content, your personality and the way you deliver technical info in an accessible manner.
Would you consider get the info from him (while giving him credit for it of course) and deliver the info yourself instead ?
There actually exist zoom/skype like services that you can use to have meetings with, but the video and audio is recorded at each user's side. After you're done, the files get transferred and the quality is as if you've recorded with the person in the same room.
Scarbs has just answered the question I’ve been asking of why the black on the Ferrari race suits.
Lockdown lard
@Ice Bear driver is bigger
@@TinyBearTim the joke
Me or the car?
Disappointing how ridiculously heavy these cars are. It’s so evident as well.
Never mind the weight, if they made them smaller, not as wide and less wheelbase, does anyone think that would be good?
I can see I'm going to be the voice of dissent where the new rules are concerned:
The cars are overweight because they are way too complicated and far too big.
Sadly this is true. They should be a lot less complex and also harder to drive. I've never watched any single seater racing other than F1. Last year I cought the coverage of F2 session before F1 started. And I have to admit, they looked better. Much simpler and easier on the eye. And what shocked the most was that they went into hard corners with the brake discs glowing, spitting visible fireballs out from the exhaust while downshifting and sounded pretty damn good while doing all that. Take note F1.
Unfortunately the racing is not for me due to the flow of drivers coming and going all the time and the skill level being from wall to wall.
Scarbs video looks much better now :)
Now you just gotta get him a condenser mic ;) :*
This channel is nothing without Scarbs
Cool episode as always. I'm curious. What do you reckon the weight range of all the drivers are? I mean you've got the taller ones. How much more do they weigh?
Between 54kg and 75kg. However with your gear, the driver has a minimum weight limit of 80kg.
Can you make a discussion video like this but on why current cars are huge?
5:38 which video was this from? Haven't seen newey talk about the RB18 previously.
Having painted hundreds of race cars over my years, you are not wrong in saying ‘saving kilos by reducing paint.’
It is NOT just grams of paint. It’s huge!
Scarbs has got to be the most hardworking guy in F1
Very informative. I just figured that like me they were overweight because they ate way too much and were extremely sedentary.
Yeah these cars eat all week and then only go on a jog one day. Then a mile lap timed the next day. The final they push themselves to finish the marathon and some collapse and retire. Unhealthy cars.
Well, you were wrong.
Especially with the cost cap I'm not a big fan of the minimum weight, because these cars while still being one of the fastest on earth lose some of their edge due to their high mass. In my opinion the FIA should "just" set the safety standards, which the teams have to clear. A lighter car will have less energy in the event of a crash therefore they'll won't need a crash structure as big as they are now. Everythin is connected to each other in the developement of a F1 car. And if a team spends a bonkers amount of money on something like titanium alloys in order to decrease weight due to the cost cap they won't have as much money to develope their aero kit as other teams. Simple as that. Which would really create a interesting challenge tradeoff-wise for the engineers.
3:30 nice to see antonio giovinazzi's man-bun remained at alfa
I’m a big fan of risk. That being said I watched live the race that took Ayrton Senna’s life. This is something I never want repeated. The risk is still there make no mistake but everything that has been done and hopefully will be done to mitigate such tragedy is worth its weight in gold.
No relation to car build. Suspension broke off before the race and the team made a really bad last minute weld to "fix it". Obviously it broke and Senna died. I'm sure if there was no bad weld and Senna ran in a completely fine car, and Senna somehow managed to hit the wall at the same speed, he would have survived.
@@R9naldo You miss the point. The reason is not at issue. The result is.
@@charlie9ine I don't know what that means but the thing that killed Senna was the poorly welded suspension. If it was normal and fixed properly it never would have hit him on the head. He would just be talking about how big that shunt was and how terrible Tamburello corner was
@@R9naldo You still don't get it. it's very simple. I saw Ayrton Senna die. Whatever the reason I don't want to see anyone die in a Formula one car or any car for that matter again. If it's about improving safety I'm in favour.
@@charlie9ine It's good that they are making it safer but it's ridiculous how ugly the cars are now. Overweight and oversized. And no wonder viewership rates are falling. People want to see loud screaming cars that look like they're on edge. There will always be a risk as a motorsport driver. And theres nothing to be done about that
I understand that the wheels are now a spec part, and they are aluminum. And when you put it in the light of 100 wheels per weekend, that would be an significant cost for carbon fiber wheels. But there was budget for the teams wheels beforehand. Or has the cost cap been factored so tightly in regs to the safety, and spec parts increases? So yes, the early stages of the cars development and redesigns are showing in most all teams. Red Bull's progress thru this new car and lasts years development,and success, should be congrats...It's just that wheel weight plays other rolls in handling/steering, as well as braking/acceleration (ie: racing). More so with the increased size and weight at the corners, negatively. They can talk about contact patch, but smaller is better for turning, braking, accelerating and I believe ride quality, as we see with porpoising. Stiffer tire sidewalls contributing to that effect. Fifteen inch aluminum wheels would even be a dynamic improvement...Test it and show me wrong! From a design concept and limitation factor, along with increased safety concerns, the cars are becoming pigs, that you're asking jockeys to manhandle for hours all weekend. Even on circuits that were new and challenging last year. And spoken of as dangerous this year Along wiith added sprints and race weekends. I don't know if your "dreamers" have a good grip on the reality of everything that they want to achieve, all at the same time.
Now I understand why they wanted Yuki Tsunoda so badly
Random question but is the pay for the driver, mechanics, and personell at the factory included in the budget cap??
Drivers aren’t. I think factory salaries aren’t either. I’m not 100% sure. Mercedes’ scaled down their work force. I know drivers aren’t at all.
If I remember correctly, drivers and top 3 paid employees are not included in the budget cap. Also marketing costs are not included. I think there are more exceptions but those are the ones I remember at the time.
The title made me think less about the cars and more about the teams
How much does the hybrid package weigh? If you want to kill useless weight, there's a good place to start.
You know why the hybrids aren’t going away any time unless we go full hydrogen powered or fully electric. That won’t be happening anytime soon. Also teams invested millions into to hybrid equipment they will not so willing to just drop it.
@@rexthewolf3149 Then the complaints about the cars being too heavy are kind of silly.
@@DoctorAustin I agree but people think they’re too heavy because they are in comparison older cars. I don’t like comparing older cars to each other as they are built under different rules. But people do it anyway.
Bending the weight rules reminds me of the 1984 Tyrrell with the lead shot tanks. :)
I really noticed the extra weight of the cars in the first race, the cars looked slow and ponderous particularly in the low speed corners. In Saudi the cars looked great, high speed with lots of downforce and the new cars seemed to really come alive.
at what point does the weight of the car become a safety issue...i mean think of the grosjean crash and the halo saving his life....would a lighter car penetrated the barrier in the same way?
The wheel covers cannot be reused?
Cheers, from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Pls share which car weight how much from heavy to less heavy of all teams.
I would be amazed if he had access to this information. ROFL
Damn ,F1 sold to Americans and here we are , weight problems 😜
To be fair obesity is a real problem in GB now and will only get worse with Brexit supply side problems.
why don’t they put weight saving grooves i. the tyres like they used to?
I think active suspension should return!
Please do a video on how Ferrari are so fast even while experiencing alot of porpoising also why redbull are experiencing reliability issues so early in the season.
why there's a tic-toc sound in the background?? 🤔 or am I crazy??
I only hear chill music in the background.
The clock it's on your room probably like my old noisy one 🤣
Just allow refueling again to have lighter cars. You can easily allow refueling while still having safety by adjusting pitstop rules in terms of pitstop times and how fast the teams are allowed to go esp in terms of removing the fuel pump and releasing the car.
let me ask a question to Scrabs... It is possible to make a smaller car, like in the 90th, with the same level of safety? and if is possible how many kg could be saved?
scarbs looks like the dad of jahmene douglas or an old version of him. they look so alike, its nuts!
Can someone please get Scarbs a mic already. I really enjoy listening to him but please get him a better mic.
Budget cap mainly...
I love the content but can we please send Scarbs a new camera and microphone? I think it's time for an upgrade for our boy!
Minimum weight or maximum weight? (~ 20sec in, and again towards the end).
Shame you didn't show how well designed the old cars already were, when a driver can survive a 51g sudden stop after being run of the track.
F1 turbos is the worst .........i dont watch just because of the sound
Now I know why Alpha is still giving chance to Tsunoda
Does it matter if all cars are heavy?
Ist einfach schön so viele ECHTE Rennautos zu sehen, mindestens 8 Zylinder !!
Best era of safety and weight is the 3.0l v10 no hybrid had all the safety just wasnt as strong as todays example FW25 my fav car was 605kg with 930 hp bmw v10 the next year Juan Pablo with a FW26 had the all out Monza record which was broken in 14 years late by Kimi
Fun fact, redbull makes the wheelcovers for every teams tires
wait really?
The Budget cap is good and bad at the same time
Cannot understand the logic of the FIA, increasing the weight of safety structures and than calculating ( because someone must have figured this out right?) a car min weight that’s so difficult to achieve, thereby encouraging the teams to cut weight somewhere is might cause other safety problems.
Im sorry i dont believe for a moment the PU is 150kg. There is no god damn way.
ICE - 75 Kg
Battery Pack - 20Kg
Turbo and MGU-K 15Kg
Control Electronics 5Kg
I make that 115 Kilo
I love scarbs
Tbh Red Bull is the most overweight car out there, yet seems to be the fastest one - it’s all about the aerodynamics at the end of the day
If the FIA would get rid of the hybrid system, the teams could save quite a lot of weight and money. It might well make for better racing. I certainly do applaud the advances they have made in safety in the last couple years. We have a lot of good fellows roaming the planet that otherwise might not be.
That would mean they would need smaller turbos which would make them a lot slower
Everything's gaining weight! My first car was a Porsche 914, which weighed 2,194 lb. I then got an Alfa GTV6 - 2668 lb. I then got an Audi 90 Quattro Coupe - 3174 lb. Then I got an BMW E36 M3 Coupe - 3219 lb. Now I have an Infiniti G35 Coupe - 3435 lb.
Want to lighten F-1 cars? Then get rid of the batteries. Most of us would like to see F-1 return to V-12's anyway.
Could you do a video on how someone could get into driving F1? I’ve always been fascinated by it, and I can’t seem to gain weight so I figure I could put my lightness to use haha
@@v10-e8y ahhh okay, thanks for the info🙏🏼 must be a lot of politics involved if you need to start at 6 years old!! Plus, I’m a little short on funds lol maybe my kid will be an F1 driver
I think the Alfa is the shortest car, and a shorter car will be lighter as it contains less material.
They need to get rid of the battery and kers
Why are there 20,000 ads in an 8 minute video?!
Funny because this is still stupid light for the power. About 1600 pounds dry, and we make it sound like they’re driving trucks around.
I was thinking the same thing , that the car is crazy light compared to anything we've seen in real life , but in F1 these cars are considered so heavy they just hear fat jokes all day . Goes to show how advanced F1 is when it comes to engineering
every driver complains about how heavy they are and even on tv they look lethargic and boaty especially in monaco. Something should be done to cut the weight
Am I the only one who wants longer videos? I know I’m not the only one.
F1 is so obscene. I love it 😂
If the cars are above minimal weight rules should not be changed, and the problem seems, kg under or above, to everybody.
Are the wheel covers mechanically necessary?
Aero part, it reduces dirty air
You can't do that in 2022.
She's not overweight, they're on the limit.
Dumb question, if the cars are on the heavier side, why worry about the minimum weight? if they’re clearly over it. Or is there a max weight?
Around an average length lap, one kilogram of extra weight costs 0.03s of lap time - if you are 10kg over the minimum weight, you are losing 0.3s per lap, every lap.
@@janbo8331 I get that, but why raise the minimum? Sounds like the team’s problem not the FIA. Is it a concern of disparity once rival teams trims the fat?
@@EdgardoGates I agree, it's the team's problem. They always try to lobby rules that would benefit them. The ones with most money and influence try the hardest. I would assume the base of their argument is cost-related, but I hope the FIA doesn't cave in on them.
I didn't know for the open source parts ! I think it's a very clever way of doing things : each team must do their own parts, but they have no incentives to spend time and efforts to gain on the performance because others teams can just legally copy without the hassle of doing development.
Such a good idea, and I dig the cost cap too, I think we'll have cost races this year.
That's called killing innovation! Is it a good idea!?
@@adamn7125 I'm sure engineers will find clever ways to design parts that would give more benefit to their team cars than to competitors trying to copy it.
would make more sense if they had to release the designs after the season, then they could keep the advantage for that year, but others can catch up for the next
@@AnarchistMetalhead and I doubt the team would want to give up their gains.
@@adamn7125 its parts they dont want them innovating. The goal is to scare them away from overengineering those areas of the car.
Good video, but do we really need the background 'music'. Doesn't add anything. Just makes it harder to concentrate on the verbals.
What about the hybrid power units? Surely you should have mentioned them when talking about the jump from the cars of the v8 era and before? They weigh a LOT. And the battery is not a load bearing structure so it gets even heavier.
Speed benefits are too great to get rid of them. They have never had more linear powerbands and that much torque that early in the rpm range is a game changer. Plus you lose about 23% efficiency if you remove that so you're going to be carrying roughly 23% more fuel. The hybrid system isn't like what you think of in a prius or something where it's to help save some fuel. No these things bring hp to the table a lot of it through the entire rpm range something you cannot get with just internal combustion engines
@@n111254789 why would you want a linear powerband when it comes to racing excitement and passion? It just enables the drivers to cruise - which they sometimes have to given they can only run 3 engines per season and they don’t have to be as precise with their throttle inputs.
They cost a shit ton of money per engine and the tech is so prohibitively expensive that no new teams or manufacturers have joined.
And while it brings hp to the table, it also brings weight. The biggest jump in weight we have seen in any era change. The weight makes the polar moment of inertia (the ability of the car to change direction) worse so they are less dynamic and exciting to watch and drive. The don’t squirm under braking and exit. They don’t dance. They don’t quiver over kerbs. They are heavy.
And speaking of weight, the power to weight ratios of the v10 F1 cars for example, utterly destroy todays cars. 850+ hp and they weighed 605kg in 2004. Even if it was inferior power to weight, their overall lightweight and incredible noise makes them much more exhilarating to watch - and many say drive.
As for economy, why should F1 be about that unless it’s not just about racing anymore? It used to be more focused on pure racing. But now it’s a complicated beast and the v6h are part of what has sullied the racing aspect of the sport.
And yes while the v6 hybrids are incredible technical achievements and amazingly efficient, they have also caused a lot of headaches as mentioned above. But with the relentless drive to all things EV. I get that this is the only way to go. That being said, it doesn’t mean I can’t say it’s at the expense of the racing and the passion and it doesn’t mean it’s without major faults