Thank you for posting this comparison review. Its obvious that you put a lot of thought and effort into the presentation of this comparison for the sake of your viewers. If I could only purchase one amp, I think I would lean towards the Loudbox Mini, simply because of its natural representation of the guitar. Well done!
You're very welcome. Thank you for your kind words. I heartily recommend the Loudbox Mini charge. I am not sure how different the Loudbox Mini is from the "charge" version that also runs on battery. Mine is the "Mini Charge". If you get one, dial down the midrange EQ on the amp (to whatever sounds good to you). You will get a great tone! I plug into the Mini Charge at home 99% of the time. It always sounds 'natural' to me.
Hi Gary! I just bought the Bose 2 days ago and am planning on using it at a restaurant outside this Saturday. We get stuff here in Mexico a couple of years later than the States, so it was great seeing your review! I have used my Fishman for several years and recently got it out of the shop because of a noise issue. I have used it busking, in open air courtyards, the beach, restaurants and as a monitor when I play Friday nights a a hotel. I love my Fishman but wanted something else because the repair technicians here aren’t the best and I don’t want to find myself without my amp! I play Andes music and instrumental covers on my pan flute and at times I play a Cuatro Venezolano, so I use both channels along with bluetooth backing tracks. What I have noticed in my practices in the house that the Fishman has more volume for my mic than the Bose but I like the sound of the tonematch mic switch. It never occurred to me to try my mic with the guitar setting, which could be interesting… Thank you for a great review; they’re both awesome amps and each has its shining points!! Keep the music playing.🎶
That you can make affordable amps sound that good is awesome, also love your playing and unique sound. Incidentally, I preferred the Fishman, just my opinion 👍 great video
Thanks for the demo. This was very helpful. I've owned the loudbox charge but I was not really impressed with the vocal channel. I think I am going to go into the store and test the bose. Tasteful playing. Greatly appreciated.
Thank you for this great comparison! A/B tested them in my store today and loved the natural sound of the LB Mini. Still undecided though as the Bose seems more versatile.
Thanks Gary for this new video. I agree with you, the Fishman is more natural for acoustic guitar and sounds great but the Bose is more versatile. I decided to buy the Bose after your first compare because of the excellent output of the voice, that for me is very important. Thanks again! Anyway the Bose is good also for the acoustic. Like I wrote you for the first your review I prefer use it without the pre-mic and matchbox settings, for me playing with tones the sound become more rich. Thanks for sharing!
I agree the Tonematch settings on the Bose S1 Pro limit your tonal EQ options. The Tonematch makes things more lean and pristine. That is not always the direction I want. The good thing is you can leave Tonematch switch Off and set the EQ knobs on the Bose S1 Pro the way you prefer.
Thanks for the great comparison. I currently own two S1 Pro speakers, and was contemplating the Loudbox Mini, but I think I'll stick with the S1. I prefer the extra bass, and don't mind a little extra treble. Also vocals sound great through it. I mainly use the S1 for small band jazz gigs on hollow body electric (sounds great), and for small solo gigs with tracks, vocals and guitar. However, there's nice detail on the Loudbox Mini, and the guitar just sounds more like a loud guitar, as opposed to a guitar coming through a PA, so I can see why folks rave about them.
I'm a solo and duet noob acoustic guitarist and singer (way more experience singing!), and I'm totally new to organizing my own amplification for gigs. After 101 RUclipss about amps vs. PA's it's becoming clear to me what's the best investment for me. This video hit the target for comparing my two favorite options from either category, and you really delivered. The Fishman sounds more natural which is what I thought mattered most with acoustic, but the Bose has key features that make it more flexible for gigging without a huge band to compete with. Loudbox mini is 60 Watts, and the Bose is 150 so I'm curious. Surely the Boss get's a HELLA lot louder no?
Hi Michael, I'm not gonna water it down. The Fishman Loudbox Mini for vocals is WEAK. I would definitely get the Bose. It will mount on a stand, project better, sound better for vocals and it's perfectly fine for acoustic guitar. I do NOT use the Tone Match for the guitar in the Bose. I've learned acoustic guitar sounds better without this Tonematch switch for my guitars. The Bose is definitely more versatile and capable in my opinion as a singer/guitarist who performs solo and duo gigs also.
On the headphones Fishman is a clearly winner - more natural guitar sound, more detailed, bigger... sounds like acoustic guitar. ps. Your plays is awesome! Guitar tone - excellent. Thank you for this review.
Thanks for listening and sharing your kind words. Coincidentally, I sold off the Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge and replaced it with a Fishman Loudbox Artist. But I recently added a Bose S1 Pro PLUS (the newest version) and I enjoy the Mixer functionality from an iPhone App as well as the additional tonematch presets. I also discovered that for me, the Bose S1 Pro on a stand sounds best versus sitting on the ground or even at chair or table height. Vocals are definitely better through the Bose.
@@gair1944 Thank you for instant response :). I'm beginner with acoustic guitar and I'm trying find amp for my Furch Violet guitar. Im wondering between Fishman Artist, Mini, Bose S1pro + and Everse 8. For now Artis it's seems to me best for guitar sound, Bose most versatile - I can use it not only for guitar but for listening and party. Nobody complain on Evers 8 :). Other side Mini is cheepest one and maybe sufficient for amateur like me at the beginning in small rooms.... I really like the detailed sound from metallic string on sitka spruce top of my guitar. I like strumming and finger picking... hmm its not easy to chose :( Best for You
I now have a Bose S1 Pro Plus and it has a myriad of Tonematch setting options. I use the LR Baggs Imix blend setting. On the Bose S1 Pro (original version) I simply leave the tone match off and the switch is in the default position. But honestly, I don't use or play acoustic guitar into the Original Bose S1 Pro. I also upgraded from the Fishman Loudbox Mini to the Fishman Loudbox Artist. I find it tremendously more capable for my gigging needs. The Mini and Bose S1 Pro are fine for home or super quiet stuff. But they can easily be overloaded if I dig in hard on my acoustic at gigs.
I have made several videos of the Bose L1 Pro8. But I have not done a comparison to the S1 Pro because they are so different. I can make a comparison but I would bet the L1 Pro 8 is going to be richer, fuller, more versatile and capable with a lot more low end available on tap since the L1 Pro 8 has a 7x13" subwoofer and the tower is in a linear array configuration. The L1 Pro 8 has a lot more power as well.
@@gair1944 I found your video on the Compact / Pro8. Compact sure sounded good! Pro 8 did sound fuller. On the Acoustic Guitar Forum the EV30 seems to be the most popular. Not a lot of love for the Pro8. Wondering if you considered the EV30 before the Pro8 purchase? Your playing and tone is amazing!
I'm looking for an upgrade from a Roland Street Cube. I'm focusing on a Fishman Mini Charge and the Bose S1 Pro+. I'll be using it, as a singer/songwriter, with a ukulele accompanying my vocal. From your (really sweet guitar playing), the Fishman sounds better, more natural. In the store, the Bose had a bass boost, which gave it more bloom, but the textural harmonic aspects of both my voice and ukulele (as well as your guitar) come through more with the Fishman. In contrast, the Bose seems slightly muffled or more syrupy, with the inner detail of your guitar subsumed.
@@jeffbellin8224 do you need battery power? If not I’m getting better performance from Gishman Loudbox Artist. It has more volume and projection than the mini. Also I run an Electrovoice Everse 8 battery power 8” PA speaker from the direct output of the Fishman as well. The eVerse 8 is a good battery powered option as well.
Yeah, I want battery power. The Artist goes deeper, and as a consequence, will have more natural bloom. But playing the ukulele, it doesn't go as deep as a guitar. I had both the S1 Pro+ and Mini Charge at home in my backyard. With a Sennheiser E835 microphone, both my wife and I agreed that the Fishman sounded better, more natural. I don't know how much the Mini Charge will bottom out at louder volumes. We plan to take both to an open field and see. The Bose, as a PA speaker, seems more potentially versatile, but the Fishman seems more tonally accurate.
@@jeffbellin8224 I agree with everything you shared 100%. All that is pure truth in my experience as well. You might check out the Electrovoice Everse 8. It is battery powered, but has an 8" speaker instead of the smaller Bose or Fishman Mini. Great battery life, stand mountable and has more projection and coverage than the Fishman. Could be a happy middle ground between the Bose S1 Pro and the Mini Charge.
Fishman sounds great, balanced and natural, (well as natural as a small amp can be, they all sound a bit quacky). The Bose is disappointing for such a high quality brand.
@@gair1944 I see, thanks for adding that. I have the Fishman loudbox artist for small gigs, it's actually way too loud for my needs (although more headroom is always nice to have). I have been looking at a smaller battery powered amp, as I never play to more than about 20-25 people anyway. I do like the AER but man it's so expensive, hence I was particularly interested in your video.
I know someone who has the Bose Tower and they use it in a 3 Piece Band, works amazingly. Didn't know it was a Bose system until I investigated what they were using. Moving forwards. I didn't like Bose desktop mobile wireless speakers because they sounded so "Boxy" or "Boomy" . ok, moving more forwards. Bluetooth Portable speakers. I purchased the EA Boom 3 (2 of them, stereo with the app) they work amazingly well for portable sound. One day, for some strange reason, I ended up purchasing the BOSE Micro Bluetooth Speaker and I am blown away by the resonant sounds that this little speaker produces, not to mention the decent high end tones are somewhat bright, but nicely EQ'ed to the speaker. What I would like to see BOSE do, is build a 5, preferably a 10, or 30 band Graphic, or I would be tickled if they did a Parametric EQ software built into the App that would get downloaded to your smart devices and manipulated there. Thanks for your Review. You play that instrument beautifully. I like your home studio, very pragmatic. I am inspired by this BOSE S1 PRO.
Great vid. It seems to be a mini PA compared to a mini guitar amp. Guitar playing in a combo would favor one over the other while solo performance might favor the other. This did help me though. Thanks.
Like both, but keep leaning toward the Fishman Mini Charge. How does the Fishman Mini Charge sound with vocals ? I'm more of a singer than fine guitarist as yourself.
I'm kind of like you, more singer than master acoustic player. In my comparison, my voice sounds more accurate through the Fishman Mini than the Bose. Bose tends to tip up the top end and the bass. Sounds exciting, but not as accurate. The Microphone tone setting on the Bose was clearly meant for speaking as opposed to singing. It further boosts the top and lower end. It adds a lot of presence to cut through noise, but it's far from accurate voice reproduction.
The Fishman is warmer, deeper and in my opinion a more accurate representation of the natural guitar sound. In your previous comparison it seemed to me that you preferred the Fishman amp - I can only guess that some ears change more frequently than others...
I see you have some nice Princetons and such. So, you obviously know how great an amped guitar can sound. But presuming "small and light" is a huge factor too, I'm wondering if you've considered a Henriksen. I sing and play jazz standards, and this whole thing is a quandary for me, trying to figure it out.
Good catch. Yes I had a henriksen briefly and compared to a Princeton reverb reissue. I preferred the tone of the Princeton. I made a RUclips video comparing them.
Can you show us a vocal comparison? With the guitar and voice together? Is the fishman really not as good for vocals as you say, or is it just personal preference?
I sold the loudbox mini charge and upgraded to the Fiahman loudbox Artist. The Artist is very different since it has more power, 8” speaker and a tweeter. So that would not tell you how the mini sounds for vocals.
Thank you for the great comparison. If it was strictly just for volume, is the Bose worth getting over the Fishman? I currently own a loudbox Mini but need a little more volume for an upcoming event. Thank you.
I prefer the natural acoustic tone thr fishman mini delivers for acoustic guitar. But the Bose S1 Pro is better all around when singing and playing. (IMO)
I never compared he Bluetooth performance side by side. Interesting question. I'll see what I can find out and report back. Do you mean for playing along with Bluetooth tracks or for general music playback via Bluetooth?
Thanks for the review! Seems to me there is no comparison between the two. If what you want is a natural acoustic sound, it seems like the Fishman is much better than the Bose, the fishman seems to have a nice beautiful sound.
thanx for the comparison Gary! I've read some comments below about using them for vocals: looks like the Bose is more suited for singers, right? I would like to get something that sounds clean and natural ...
@@ttaurus393 I cant say. Depends on crowd noise, open or closed space. For the cost of both these amps, I'd rather perform through a single Bose L1 Pro 8 or even the older Bose L1 Compact. They project better. Or I'd opt for a pair of Bose S1 Pro's if you need to use two.
Thanks for the comparison, they both sound great to me, I play/busk with both acoustic and electric guitars so probably pedals in front of the Bose would be better for me.(although acoustically I like the fishman) But, For electric I think the only other option is cube street ex. Which I’m sure does not sound as good as either.
Hi. I'm thinking about buying a used Fishman. I viewed one the other day and I noticed a fairly Loud hiss when I turned the Master past 1 o clock. I just wondered if that's the same on yours. I know there may be a certain amount of hiss,but wondered if the amp I viewed had a problem?
Hi Benny, I'll check later. I usually set my Master at 12 o'clock to 1 O'clock at most. So I've never gone beyond that as I start getting feedback. I did however have to replace my Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge after a few years. It developed all kinds of strange noises and was cutting in and out. I decided to get a new one. I may have my old one evaluated for repair at some point. I needed one in short order so I just bought a new one when there was a 15% off sale at GC. ..But if there is a loud hiss, I would pass on buying that one personally.
@@gair1944 ... Thanks. How has the new one faired so far? And do you think that the battery needed replacing in the old one, and that's what caused your noises etc. If the battery was dying the product started to go 'crazy'?
If you get a chance your opinion would be appreciated for acoustic and nylon string guitars between the Bose S1, Fishmen Loudbox and the Roland AC-33. Thanks.
Beware of your ears! On this video I liked the Fishman more, when I played both in person i liked Bose wayyy more. Reason being is far more headroom. The Fishman sounded good at low volume, but as soon as I tried to match volume to the same as the Bose for a hearable busking level, you could tell the Fishman was struggling and got real "tinny" and brittle sounding. The mids (that you cant change) on the Bose are a little much (Play the first G on the B string to hear the canny, mid heavy sound), but I can tolerate that over the tinny thin brittle sound of the Fishman. The Fishman only sounded good at the same volume that you could hear the acoustic naturally unplugged anyways. So without power to provide headroom its pointless. i tried the little black amp tommy emmanuel uses and found both the bose and Fishman sound better somehow. The taylor amp also was a bust. So $$$ doesnt always mean better. Its Bose for me, i look forward to ordering the wireless transmitter and gig bag! Also, the AUX input on Bose somehow has better tone than the other two inputs, so much so I am willing to sacrifice reverb to use it. Only the other two inputs have reverb. I turn off any gimmicky settings, just keep the bass and treble on noon and use my Taylor's eq for the tone. Check out my "you got a friend in me" to hear the Bose. Thanks!
Thanks for your detailed comments. One thing I've learned with RUclips videos is the compression tends to level everything out in terms of volume. This makes it hard to discern levels of headroom or punch. I agree the Fishman Mini is insufficient in terms of clean headroom. Since I made this video I added a new battery powered contender: The Electrovoice Everse 8. It has an 8" speaker, an App for your phone with a lot of EQ / tone shaping capability. It has more headroom than the Bose S1 Pro or Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge and it has a very capable battery. It can also be stand mounted or tilted back on the ground.
I own the Fishman Loudbox Mini and love it for it's natural quality sound. However the vocals aren't really bad but are limiting I find. I have sang through Bose systems before and simply I think I sound more pleasing to the ear. I'll keep my Loudbox but seriously looking at the Bose S1 pro. All the power I'd need for the limited performing I do. Like that idea of the battery power when you're doing a party in a backyard or a street busk. Kinda keep it simple stupid ideology.
@@gair1944 I'll be running two cables from my xoom acoustic creator ac2 DI...one to the loudbox and the other to the bose...hoping for stereo sound with the desired studio quality. So, really won't be slaving the bose. Have you tried this?
@@terryrisberg No idea really. The voices are different from both. But no reason that can't work. I just run one cable into the Fishman and use the line out from the Fishman into one of the input channels on the Bose. That works too.
@@gair1944 I will be trying it that way as well, with an LR Baggs parametric EQ in the chain. I have a challenging situation in my room here that involves a solid brick wall with fireplace and laminated flooring...too much echo and boomy sounds. From what the studio engineers are saying, the para EQ allows you to sculpt sound in just about any situation to obtain the best quality. With a collection of Taylor 800 series guitars, or any guitar for that matter, it is the most important aspect of the whole dynamic..eg; creating or bringing out the best the acoustic has to offer...seems a big waste to do anything else.
@@terryrisberg I had a very "live" sounding room as well. I hung a number of sound panels to absorb the room resonance. Not cheap but in the long run, it was worth it.
Technically I suppose that's a fair statement. Yet both are portable battery powered amplifiers with two main channels that can be used for things like acoustic guitar and vocals.
I found the bose to be very mid heavy but if you put a Dream 65 or some preamp between it you can get rid of that canny sound. Just found out tonight. Listen to my "you got a friend in me" without the preamp then listen to "what a friend we have in Jesus" with the preamp and you will hear the difference. The preamp gives it a much more acoustic sound.
Thanks for listening. I do scoop the midi by dialing the Midrange EQ knob down almost all the way. It sounds better that way to 'me' and that is my preference. For playing acoustic amplified with no vocals I always prefer the Fishman. But for acoustic and vocals, the Bose sounds better. (to me)
My solution is simpler, faster to set up and cheaper; one Bose L1 Pro 8. Sounds truly exceptional and projects further and wider with more fullness than a pair of S1 Pro’s
@@thirdgearband in reality I almost never need pure battery power alone. It is merely a convenience unless I’m performing for a wedding ceremony on a lawn at a park.
@@gair1944 good 👍 for you I do busking so battery 🔋 power is a must and easy transport. Either way the Bose S1-Pro are great vocal speakers and the Loudbox is awesome for my Martin acoustic.
no clue how to do a meaningful comparison. this is worthless for those trying to decide between the two. try NOT talking (it's apparent you like your own voice) and playing them side by side, back to back
Brutal comments. I’ve had others invite me to provide more commentary. Take what you like and leave the rest. If you don’t like anything that’s fine too. Sorry it didn’t work for you.
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Really good Demo! It was really helpful that you kept going back and forth between the Amps.
@@offbeatscotland thanks for watching. I’m glad it was helpful
I'm mesmerized by your playing on this beautiful guitar! Great soloing and flat picking. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you very much!
Thank you for posting this comparison review. Its obvious that you put a lot of thought and effort into the presentation of this comparison for the sake of your viewers. If I could only purchase one amp, I think I would lean towards the Loudbox Mini, simply because of its natural representation of the guitar. Well done!
You're very welcome. Thank you for your kind words. I heartily recommend the Loudbox Mini charge. I am not sure how different the Loudbox Mini is from the "charge" version that also runs on battery. Mine is the "Mini Charge". If you get one, dial down the midrange EQ on the amp (to whatever sounds good to you). You will get a great tone! I plug into the Mini Charge at home 99% of the time. It always sounds 'natural' to me.
Hi Gary! I just bought the Bose 2 days ago and am planning on using it at a restaurant outside this Saturday. We get stuff here in Mexico a couple of years later than the States, so it was great seeing your review! I have used my Fishman for several years and recently got it out of the shop because of a noise issue. I have used it busking, in open air courtyards, the beach, restaurants and as a monitor when I play Friday nights a a hotel. I love my Fishman but wanted something else because the repair technicians here aren’t the best and I don’t want to find myself without my amp! I play Andes music and instrumental covers on my pan flute and at times I play a Cuatro Venezolano, so I use both channels along with bluetooth backing tracks. What I have noticed in my practices in the house that the Fishman has more volume for my mic than the Bose but I like the sound of the tonematch mic switch. It never occurred to me to try my mic with the guitar setting, which could be interesting…
Thank you for a great review; they’re both awesome amps and each has its shining points!! Keep the music playing.🎶
That you can make affordable amps sound that good is awesome, also love your playing and unique sound. Incidentally, I preferred the Fishman, just my opinion 👍 great video
Thanks for the demo. This was very helpful. I've owned the loudbox charge but I was not really impressed with the vocal channel. I think I am going to go into the store and test the bose. Tasteful playing. Greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the nice words Jeff. The Bose is excellent on vocals. I agree the LoudboxMini Charge is weak on vocals. I would never choose it for that.
Thank you for this great comparison! A/B tested them in my store today and loved the natural sound of the LB Mini. Still undecided though as the Bose seems more versatile.
You’re not wrong in my opinion. The Fishman loudbox mini charge sounds more natural for acoustic tone. The Bose is more versatile. I agree.
Thanks Gary for this new video. I agree with you, the Fishman is more natural for acoustic guitar and sounds great but the Bose is more versatile. I decided to buy the Bose after your first compare because of the excellent output of the voice, that for me is very important. Thanks again! Anyway the Bose is good also for the acoustic. Like I wrote you for the first your review I prefer use it without the pre-mic and matchbox settings, for me playing with tones the sound become more rich. Thanks for sharing!
I agree the Tonematch settings on the Bose S1 Pro limit your tonal EQ options. The Tonematch makes things more lean and pristine. That is not always the direction I want. The good thing is you can leave Tonematch switch Off and set the EQ knobs on the Bose S1 Pro the way you prefer.
Thanks for your feedback, it help me alot
Very good sounds Love the S1 Pro.
Thanks for stopping by. It’s a great piece of pro gear. I use it all the time
Great Great review Gary, so helpful comparison.
Thank you Hoang. I'm happy to know it was helpful. Please subscribe to the channel if you haven't done so.
Thanks for your review, ove just purchased the Bose . 👍
Congrats. I use mine a lot!
Thanks for the great comparison. I currently own two S1 Pro speakers, and was contemplating the Loudbox Mini, but I think I'll stick with the S1. I prefer the extra bass, and don't mind a little extra treble. Also vocals sound great through it. I mainly use the S1 for small band jazz gigs on hollow body electric (sounds great), and for small solo gigs with tracks, vocals and guitar. However, there's nice detail on the Loudbox Mini, and the guitar just sounds more like a loud guitar, as opposed to a guitar coming through a PA, so I can see why folks rave about them.
Your welcome . I use my S1 Pro a lot as well
Im looking for speaker that I can bump music from and have a great guitar/vocal sound....which one should I go with?
Perfect comparison, much appreciated !
Glad it was helpful
I actually love the tone of the Boss, it sounds like a studio recording . String noise was more pronounce with the Fishman.
I heard the same thing
I'm a solo and duet noob acoustic guitarist and singer (way more experience singing!), and I'm totally new to organizing my own amplification for gigs. After 101 RUclipss about amps vs. PA's it's becoming clear to me what's the best investment for me. This video hit the target for comparing my two favorite options from either category, and you really delivered. The Fishman sounds more natural which is what I thought mattered most with acoustic, but the Bose has key features that make it more flexible for gigging without a huge band to compete with. Loudbox mini is 60 Watts, and the Bose is 150 so I'm curious. Surely the Boss get's a HELLA lot louder no?
Hi Michael, I'm not gonna water it down. The Fishman Loudbox Mini for vocals is WEAK. I would definitely get the Bose. It will mount on a stand, project better, sound better for vocals and it's perfectly fine for acoustic guitar. I do NOT use the Tone Match for the guitar in the Bose. I've learned acoustic guitar sounds better without this Tonematch switch for my guitars. The Bose is definitely more versatile and capable in my opinion as a singer/guitarist who performs solo and duo gigs also.
On the headphones Fishman is a clearly winner - more natural guitar sound, more detailed, bigger... sounds like acoustic guitar. ps. Your plays is awesome! Guitar tone - excellent. Thank you for this review.
Thanks for listening and sharing your kind words. Coincidentally, I sold off the Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge and replaced it with a Fishman Loudbox Artist. But I recently added a Bose S1 Pro PLUS (the newest version) and I enjoy the Mixer functionality from an iPhone App as well as the additional tonematch presets. I also discovered that for me, the Bose S1 Pro on a stand sounds best versus sitting on the ground or even at chair or table height. Vocals are definitely better through the Bose.
@@gair1944 Thank you for instant response :). I'm beginner with acoustic guitar and I'm trying find amp for my Furch Violet guitar. Im wondering between Fishman Artist, Mini, Bose S1pro + and Everse 8. For now Artis it's seems to me best for guitar sound, Bose most versatile - I can use it not only for guitar but for listening and party. Nobody complain on Evers 8 :). Other side Mini is cheepest one and maybe sufficient for amateur like me at the beginning in small rooms.... I really like the detailed sound from metallic string on sitka spruce top of my guitar. I like strumming and finger picking... hmm its not easy to chose :( Best for You
Sometime a people said behind the music and a beautiful song ever exist a great man. I believe it greeting from Chile GOD bless you.
Greetings and kindness are sent to you as well my friend.
@@gair1944 thanks Sir. Your musical production are very nice. From Chile greeting too! :)
Very insightful. Outstanding guitar skills. Thanx heaps
Great demo and playing. What is the name of the Ed Sheehan song you are playing?
Thinking out Loud
I bought the Fishman, I preferred its tone for recording. Thanks for the review.
so you play your guitar using the mic setting, not the instrument setting? Interesting
I now have a Bose S1 Pro Plus and it has a myriad of Tonematch setting options. I use the LR Baggs Imix blend setting. On the Bose S1 Pro (original version) I simply leave the tone match off and the switch is in the default position. But honestly, I don't use or play acoustic guitar into the Original Bose S1 Pro. I also upgraded from the Fishman Loudbox Mini to the Fishman Loudbox Artist. I find it tremendously more capable for my gigging needs. The Mini and Bose S1 Pro are fine for home or super quiet stuff. But they can easily be overloaded if I dig in hard on my acoustic at gigs.
Listened to the other clip first and now this clip, still prefer the Fishman.
Much clearer stronger and detailed tone for gig.
Are you planning on making a video on the Bose Pro8? Maybe compare it to the S1Pro
I have made several videos of the Bose L1 Pro8. But I have not done a comparison to the S1 Pro because they are so different. I can make a comparison but I would bet the L1 Pro 8 is going to be richer, fuller, more versatile and capable with a lot more low end available on tap since the L1 Pro 8 has a 7x13" subwoofer and the tower is in a linear array configuration. The L1 Pro 8 has a lot more power as well.
@@gair1944 I found your video on the Compact / Pro8. Compact sure sounded good! Pro 8 did sound fuller. On the Acoustic Guitar Forum the EV30 seems to be the most popular. Not a lot of love for the Pro8. Wondering if you considered the EV30 before the Pro8 purchase? Your playing and tone is amazing!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks W. Weiss! I never tried the EV30. I am very pleased with the Bose L1 Pro 8.
Thank you for the comparisons.
Im gutted just bought a fishman loud box mini , only to find out you can get a model that charges , mine dont , i want to busk😢
The loudbox mini charge runs on battery. So does an Electro-Voice Everse 8 and Mackie showbox
I love your guitar . 🎸 you do some some worthy toys. ❤️👍🏻☮️
I am grateful for the blessings and abundance in my life
Great demo. I have a Fishman mini-charge. It is pretty heavy to horse around. Not as bad as my Cube Street EX was, but still, lighter seems appealing.
I'm looking for an upgrade from a Roland Street Cube. I'm focusing on a Fishman Mini Charge and the Bose S1 Pro+. I'll be using it, as a singer/songwriter, with a ukulele accompanying my vocal. From your (really sweet guitar playing), the Fishman sounds better, more natural. In the store, the Bose had a bass boost, which gave it more bloom, but the textural harmonic aspects of both my voice and ukulele (as well as your guitar) come through more with the Fishman. In contrast, the Bose seems slightly muffled or more syrupy, with the inner detail of your guitar subsumed.
@@jeffbellin8224 do you need battery power? If not I’m getting better performance from Gishman Loudbox Artist. It has more volume and projection than the mini. Also I run an Electrovoice Everse 8 battery power 8” PA speaker from the direct output of the Fishman as well. The eVerse 8 is a good battery powered option as well.
Yeah, I want battery power. The Artist goes deeper, and as a consequence, will have more natural bloom. But playing the ukulele, it doesn't go as deep as a guitar.
I had both the S1 Pro+ and Mini Charge at home in my backyard. With a Sennheiser E835 microphone, both my wife and I agreed that the Fishman sounded better, more natural.
I don't know how much the Mini Charge will bottom out at louder volumes. We plan to take both to an open field and see.
The Bose, as a PA speaker, seems more potentially versatile, but the Fishman seems more tonally accurate.
@@jeffbellin8224 I agree with everything you shared 100%. All that is pure truth in my experience as well. You might check out the Electrovoice Everse 8. It is battery powered, but has an 8" speaker instead of the smaller Bose or Fishman Mini. Great battery life, stand mountable and has more projection and coverage than the Fishman. Could be a happy middle ground between the Bose S1 Pro and the Mini Charge.
Great demo Gary, I preferred the Fishman. Can I ask what song you were looping over? Thanks
That song is called Thinking Out Loud (by Ed Sheeran) Thanks for listening.
Thanking you for sharing this comparison........ I was selling my LB, SA220 and thinking of purchasing a S1 but I think I will re-think things over.
The SA 220 will project more and sound better overall for guitar “and” vocals. I prefer my Bose L1 Pro 8 for most of my shows
Fishman sounds great, balanced and natural, (well as natural as a small amp can be, they all sound a bit quacky).
The Bose is disappointing for such a high quality brand.
I use the Bose as a Floor monitor and love it. No power required since the battery lasts long beyond my show time frame.
@@gair1944 I see, thanks for adding that.
I have the Fishman loudbox artist for small gigs, it's actually way too loud for my needs (although more headroom is always nice to have). I have been looking at a smaller battery powered amp, as I never play to more than about 20-25 people anyway.
I do like the AER but man it's so expensive, hence I was particularly interested in your video.
Simply great video, thank you! Can Fishman be used in gigs for around 50 people?
I found the 60w fishman mini borderline. So I just upgraded to the more powerful 120w Fishman Loudbox Artist.
@@gair1944 That was info I was looking for. Thank you!🙏
I know someone who has the Bose Tower and they use it in a 3 Piece Band, works amazingly. Didn't know it was a Bose system until I investigated what they were using. Moving forwards. I didn't like Bose desktop mobile wireless speakers because they sounded so "Boxy" or "Boomy" . ok, moving more forwards. Bluetooth Portable speakers. I purchased the EA Boom 3 (2 of them, stereo with the app) they work amazingly well for portable sound. One day, for some strange reason, I ended up purchasing the BOSE Micro Bluetooth Speaker and I am blown away by the resonant sounds that this little speaker produces, not to mention the decent high end tones are somewhat bright, but nicely EQ'ed to the speaker. What I would like to see BOSE do, is build a 5, preferably a 10, or 30 band Graphic, or I would be tickled if they did a Parametric EQ software built into the App that would get downloaded to your smart devices and manipulated there.
Thanks for your Review. You play that instrument beautifully. I like your home studio, very pragmatic. I am inspired by this BOSE S1 PRO.
Thanks for tipping the scale for choice of pup , BAGS ANTHEM It is., I have the Fishman loudbox Artist, love playing with the effects
Fishman is best for natural acoustic tone IMO.
Fishman for the win!
Great vid. It seems to be a mini PA compared to a mini guitar amp. Guitar playing in a combo would favor one over the other while solo performance might favor the other. This did help me though. Thanks.
Your description nailed it. I agree completely
Like both, but keep leaning toward the Fishman Mini Charge. How does the Fishman Mini Charge sound with vocals ? I'm more of a singer than fine guitarist as yourself.
I'm kind of like you, more singer than master acoustic player. In my comparison, my voice sounds more accurate through the Fishman Mini than the Bose. Bose tends to tip up the top end and the bass. Sounds exciting, but not as accurate. The Microphone tone setting on the Bose was clearly meant for speaking as opposed to singing. It further boosts the top and lower end. It adds a lot of presence to cut through noise, but it's far from accurate voice reproduction.
The Fishman is warmer, deeper and in my opinion a more accurate representation of the natural guitar sound. In your previous comparison it seemed to me that you preferred the Fishman amp - I can only guess that some ears change more frequently than others...
Yes I do prefer the fishman for natural sound at home. But I use the S1 Pro more. Mostly as a floor monitor at gigs
I see you have some nice Princetons and such. So, you obviously know how great an amped guitar can sound. But presuming "small and light" is a huge factor too, I'm wondering if you've considered a Henriksen. I sing and play jazz standards, and this whole thing is a quandary for me, trying to figure it out.
Good catch. Yes I had a henriksen briefly and compared to a Princeton reverb reissue. I preferred the tone of the Princeton. I made a RUclips video comparing them.
@@gair1944 awesome, thanks ... I'll check it out.
Can you show us a vocal comparison? With the guitar and voice together? Is the fishman really not as good for vocals as you say, or is it just personal preference?
I sold the loudbox mini charge and upgraded to the Fiahman loudbox Artist. The Artist is very different since it has more power, 8” speaker and a tweeter. So that would not tell you how the mini sounds for vocals.
Thank you for the great comparison. If it was strictly just for volume, is the Bose worth getting over the Fishman? I currently own a loudbox Mini but need a little more volume for an upcoming event. Thank you.
I prefer the natural acoustic tone thr fishman mini delivers for acoustic guitar. But the Bose S1 Pro is better all around when singing and playing. (IMO)
Awesome comparison. Does the fishman sound as good as the Bose as a Bluetooth speaker?
I never compared he Bluetooth performance side by side. Interesting question. I'll see what I can find out and report back. Do you mean for playing along with Bluetooth tracks or for general music playback via Bluetooth?
@@gair1944 yeah, just general music playback. Thanks, any info is appreciated
Thanks for the review! Seems to me there is no comparison between the two. If what you want is a natural acoustic sound, it seems like the Fishman is much better than the Bose, the fishman seems to have a nice beautiful sound.
thanx for the comparison Gary! I've read some comments below about using them for vocals: looks like the Bose is more suited for singers, right? I would like to get something that sounds clean and natural ...
can you plug guitar and also microphone and do gigs with this bose?
Yes
Sir I have a question is it possible to run an XLR from the back of the louudbox mini to the bos s1 and use them bothe together?
Yes definitely. I have done that.
@@gair1944 about how many people do you think this would accommodate?
@@ttaurus393 I cant say. Depends on crowd noise, open or closed space. For the cost of both these amps, I'd rather perform through a single Bose L1 Pro 8 or even the older Bose L1 Compact. They project better. Or I'd opt for a pair of Bose S1 Pro's if you need to use two.
Thank you so much for your quick response I truly enjoy your channel.
🟦What mic would you recommend for singing on a small stage with the FISHMAN? Together plugged in with a D18 K&K pickup… Thanks.
I personally use Sennheiser E935 mics for vocals.
@@gair1944 I am considering SHURE beta 87a
@@jasper_north If its a condensor mic, make sure the amp provides phantom power. PS: email is best: gairman1@gmail.com
Thanks for the comparison, they both sound great to me, I play/busk with both acoustic and electric guitars so probably pedals in front of the Bose would be better for me.(although acoustically I like the fishman) But, For electric I think the only other option is cube street ex. Which I’m sure does not sound as good as either.
I agree.
@@gair1944 I bought the Bose a few months back and put a couple of pedals in front of it. Sound is great
Hi. I'm thinking about buying a used Fishman. I viewed one the other day and I noticed a fairly Loud hiss when I turned the Master past 1 o clock.
I just wondered if that's the same on yours.
I know there may be a certain amount of hiss,but wondered if the amp I viewed had a problem?
Hi Benny, I'll check later. I usually set my Master at 12 o'clock to 1 O'clock at most. So I've never gone beyond that as I start getting feedback. I did however have to replace my Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge after a few years. It developed all kinds of strange noises and was cutting in and out. I decided to get a new one. I may have my old one evaluated for repair at some point. I needed one in short order so I just bought a new one when there was a 15% off sale at GC. ..But if there is a loud hiss, I would pass on buying that one personally.
@@gair1944 ... Thanks. How has the new one faired so far?
And do you think that the battery needed replacing in the old one, and that's what caused your noises etc.
If the battery was dying the product started to go 'crazy'?
@@bennyhill3505 I don't honestly know if the battery was the issue or not? But it wasn't working well when plugged into AC wall power.
If you get a chance your opinion would be appreciated for acoustic and nylon string guitars between the Bose S1, Fishmen Loudbox and the Roland AC-33. Thanks.
Desperately looking for the best amp for acoustic with vocals...thx Gary. Gary do you strap lock your expensive acoustics?
I do not use strap locks on my acoustics. Never been a problem.
@@gair1944 the locks are on the strap not on the guitar. So afraid my D18 will fall one day. I looked into the Acousti-Lok from Nomad I think…
Beware of your ears! On this video I liked the Fishman more, when I played both in person i liked Bose wayyy more. Reason being is far more headroom. The Fishman sounded good at low volume, but as soon as I tried to match volume to the same as the Bose for a hearable busking level, you could tell the Fishman was struggling and got real "tinny" and brittle sounding. The mids (that you cant change) on the Bose are a little much (Play the first G on the B string to hear the canny, mid heavy sound), but I can tolerate that over the tinny thin brittle sound of the Fishman. The Fishman only sounded good at the same volume that you could hear the acoustic naturally unplugged anyways. So without power to provide headroom its pointless. i tried the little black amp tommy emmanuel uses and found both the bose and Fishman sound better somehow. The taylor amp also was a bust. So $$$ doesnt always mean better. Its Bose for me, i look forward to ordering the wireless transmitter and gig bag! Also, the AUX input on Bose somehow has better tone than the other two inputs, so much so I am willing to sacrifice reverb to use it. Only the other two inputs have reverb. I turn off any gimmicky settings, just keep the bass and treble on noon and use my Taylor's eq for the tone. Check out my "you got a friend in me" to hear the Bose. Thanks!
Thanks for your detailed comments. One thing I've learned with RUclips videos is the compression tends to level everything out in terms of volume. This makes it hard to discern levels of headroom or punch. I agree the Fishman Mini is insufficient in terms of clean headroom. Since I made this video I added a new battery powered contender: The Electrovoice Everse 8. It has an 8" speaker, an App for your phone with a lot of EQ / tone shaping capability. It has more headroom than the Bose S1 Pro or Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge and it has a very capable battery. It can also be stand mounted or tilted back on the ground.
@@gair1944 Wow thanks! Ill check that out :)
I own the Fishman Loudbox Mini and love it for it's natural quality sound. However the vocals aren't really bad but are limiting I find. I have sang through Bose systems before and simply I think I sound more pleasing to the ear. I'll keep my Loudbox but seriously looking at the Bose S1 pro. All the power I'd need for the limited performing I do. Like that idea of the battery power when you're doing a party in a backyard or a street busk. Kinda keep it simple stupid ideology.
That makes perfect sense! The S1 Pro is better for both vocals and guitar for me
Which one sounds better for listening to music on?
Il be using it as an amp to
Which one is louder?
I think the Bose will outperform the Loudbox mini for overall volume and projecting the sound
Have you ever compared the Roland AC-33 to the Bose S1 Pro?
No I have not.
I'm considering slaving the Bose (just ordered) from my Fishman Loudbox 100. Thoughts?
I do that all the time. Works fine. Not sure how much better it make things but it certainly doesn't hurt. You can get more coverage this way too.
@@gair1944 I'll be running two cables from my xoom acoustic creator ac2 DI...one to the loudbox and the other to the bose...hoping for stereo sound with the desired studio quality. So, really won't be slaving the bose. Have you tried this?
@@terryrisberg No idea really. The voices are different from both. But no reason that can't work. I just run one cable into the Fishman and use the line out from the Fishman into one of the input channels on the Bose. That works too.
@@gair1944 I will be trying it that way as well, with an LR Baggs parametric EQ in the chain. I have a challenging situation in my room here that involves a solid brick wall with fireplace and laminated flooring...too much echo and boomy sounds. From what the studio engineers are saying, the para EQ allows you to sculpt sound in just about any situation to obtain the best quality. With a collection of Taylor 800 series guitars, or any guitar for that matter, it is the most important aspect of the whole dynamic..eg; creating or bringing out the best the acoustic has to offer...seems a big waste to do anything else.
@@terryrisberg I had a very "live" sounding room as well. I hung a number of sound panels to absorb the room resonance. Not cheap but in the long run, it was worth it.
One is a amp one a pa compare it to the fishman 330x
Technically I suppose that's a fair statement. Yet both are portable battery powered amplifiers with two main channels that can be used for things like acoustic guitar and vocals.
I prefer the Bose in my headphones.
Bose is clearly the winner
In this demo,,, yes ,, the Fishman sounds better,,, but you have tone and gain that guitar
Thanks for stopping by
I prefer the Bose, but it's close.
I’ll take the Bose
I think the Loudbox wins with acoustic.
I agree
I found the bose to be very mid heavy but if you put a Dream 65 or some preamp between it you can get rid of that canny sound. Just found out tonight. Listen to my "you got a friend in me" without the preamp then listen to "what a friend we have in Jesus" with the preamp and you will hear the difference. The preamp gives it a much more acoustic sound.
Fishman!!
I agree. Thanks for listening
@@gair1944 can you please tell me how you had the fishman EQ set in the reverb? Thank you
@@FrankSpeer66 I always set the bass to 11 o'clock, Midrange dialed down all the way to its minimum, Treble to 10 oclock and reverb at 10-11 o'clock.
@@gair1944 thanks!
The Fishman sounds thinner.
Thanks for listening. I do scoop the midi by dialing the Midrange EQ knob down almost all the way. It sounds better that way to 'me' and that is my preference. For playing acoustic amplified with no vocals I always prefer the Fishman. But for acoustic and vocals, the Bose sounds better. (to me)
Bose is great for vocals and Loudbox is great for the guitar
Use two Bose S1 for PA and two Loudbox mini in stereo for the guitar and your good to go!
My solution is simpler, faster to set up and cheaper; one Bose L1 Pro 8. Sounds truly exceptional and projects further and wider with more fullness than a pair of S1 Pro’s
@@gair1944 L1 Pro 8 does not operate on battery power like both the S1 and Loudbox mini do so you can be mobile anywhere without electricity.
@@thirdgearband in reality I almost never need pure battery power alone. It is merely a convenience unless I’m performing for a wedding ceremony on a lawn at a park.
@@gair1944 good 👍 for you I do busking so battery 🔋 power is a must and easy transport. Either way the Bose S1-Pro are great vocal speakers
and the Loudbox is awesome for my Martin acoustic.
The Fishman sounds better for me :-)
no clue how to do a meaningful comparison. this is worthless for those trying to decide between the two. try NOT talking (it's apparent you like your own voice) and playing them side by side, back to back
Brutal comments. I’ve had others invite me to provide more commentary. Take what you like and leave the rest. If you don’t like anything that’s fine too. Sorry it didn’t work for you.