The STRANGEST Free Agency CONTROVERSY in New England Patriots HISTORY | 1990 Patriots

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  • In 1990, the New England Patriots left long-time cornerback Raymond Clayborn unprotected in free agency. When they realized that they made a mistake, mainly because of a coaching switch from Raymond Berry to Rod Rust, and the Patriots tried to bring him back to have him finish his career with the Pats, NFL rules essentially prohibited the move, even though both sides wanted a reunion. This is the story behind the bizarre situation of the 1990 Patriots, and the end to Raymond Clayborn's storied NFL career
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    Members of the 1990 New England Patriots:
    Jason Staurovsky
    Brian Hansen
    Tom Hodson
    Steve Grogan
    Marc Wilson
    Mickey Washington
    Eric Coleman
    Rod McSwain
    Jamie Morris
    Tony Zackery
    Junior Robinson
    Don Overton
    Jamie Lawson
    Mosi Tatupu
    Fred Marion
    George Adams
    Bob Perryman
    Brian Hutson
    Maurice Hurst
    Roland James
    Marvin Allen
    Tim Hauck
    Ronnie Lippett
    John Stephens
    Michael Timpson
    Marv Cook
    Pat Coleman
    Ilia Jarostchuk
    Johnny Rembert
    Richard Tardits
    Ed Williams
    Chris Singleton
    Andre Tippett
    Richard Harvey
    Vincent Brown
    Marion Hobby
    Gene Chilton
    Elbert Crawford
    Paul Fairchild
    David Douglas
    Damian Johnson
    David Viaene
    Fred DeRiggi
    Tim Goad
    Chris Gambol
    Danny Villa
    Stan Clayton
    Bruce Armstrong
    Irving Fryar
    Zeke Mowatt
    Sammy Martin
    Cedric Jones
    Eric Sievers
    Greg McMurtry
    Lin Dawson
    Hart Lee Dykes
    Garin Veris
    Chris Gannon
    Ray Agnew
    Ed Reynolds
    Brent Williams
    Sean Smith
    Raymond Berry (coach at start of calendar year)
    Rod Rust (head coach)
    Raymond Clayborn played for the following teams:
    1977 Patriots
    1978 Patriots
    1979 Patriots
    1980 Patriots
    1981 Patriots
    1982 Patriots
    1983 Patriots
    1984 Patriots
    1985 Patriots
    1986 Patriots
    1987 Patriots
    1988 Patriots
    1989 Patriots
    1990 Browns
    1991 Browns

Комментарии • 123

  • @veggieoilerfan2940
    @veggieoilerfan2940 Год назад +2

    It seems like it’s widely believed that Wilber Marshall left the Bears for the Redskins while Plan B Free Agency was in effect. That’s not actually true. Marshall signed with the Redskins as a restricted free agent one year before Plan B was introduced. Marshall left the Bears via free agency in early 1988, while Plan B Free Agency was used for the first time in February 1989.

  • @alice_evermore
    @alice_evermore 3 года назад +13

    In the late-70's / early 80's the Pats should have had a great secondary with Clayborn, Mike Haynes and Tim Fox.

    • @geoffg2392
      @geoffg2392 Год назад +3

      And Roland James....All first round picks

  • @DMS-pq8
    @DMS-pq8 3 года назад +6

    Patriots need to bring back those sweet uniforms

  • @chrisrobinson8339
    @chrisrobinson8339 3 года назад +13

    It took the Patriots 27 year's to put him in the Patriots Hall of fame. Wow. They act like everyone forgot they stunk a lot before Tom Brady. Even tho they had a couple moments. They stunk a lot.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +4

      Yeah, turned out that Jim Plunkett was pretty good with a team around him.

    • @gluserty
      @gluserty 3 года назад +1

      @@matthewdaley746 Plunkett even had one of the best rookie seasons a QB has had, and I think that still holds up considering the era. But yeah, after that things went sour. by the time the Patriots became good (1976; I also believe that the team had a nice run between '76-1988), they were done with Plunkett and his confidence needed to be rebuilt from the ground up (he was successful at that).

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      @@gluserty Fortunately, Tom Flores didn't ruin him, as I predict John Madden would have, actually.

    • @gluserty
      @gluserty 3 года назад

      @@matthewdaley746 Ha ha, I thought I didn't properly send this comment, that's why I rewrote it; sorry about that! Anyway, yeah, I don't know how Madden & Plunkett would've worked, Madden was truly done with coaching after 1978 (I read that the job just ate him up inside too much, and he listened to some team offer later on, but never very seriously). It's tough for me to say, but Flores turned out to be the right coach for the Raiders (enough respect and know-how, without stepping on Mr. Davis's toes).

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      @@gluserty Styles totally matter, immensely.

  • @chcivic
    @chcivic 3 года назад +9

    Pre 1993 Patriots are a gold mine for this channel!

  • @tookmyjob
    @tookmyjob 3 года назад +16

    I beat Tecmo Super Bowl with the 90 Patriots.
    It wasn’t easy.

    • @jamesage24
      @jamesage24 3 года назад +5

      Same. Grogan's ball floats up & down. And the rushing game is practically non-existent after week 6.

    • @MatthewChristianMurray
      @MatthewChristianMurray 3 года назад +7

      Steve Grogan is their default starter despite being the single worst QB in the game: 56/56. Marc Wilson is only slightly better.
      I remember the first time I played Tecmo Super Bowl. I was in awe of a game that allowed you to use any of the 28 teams with real players, even those that weren’t on any other similar games like (for instance) the Patriots, Jets, Bengals, Chargers, Cardinals, Packers, Buccaneers, and Falcons. Some of those teams are interesting in the game, but the Pats are just plain awful.

    • @jamesage24
      @jamesage24 3 года назад +3

      @@MatthewChristianMurray Yeah, that was a huge improvement over Tecmo Bowl, having all the teams. I didn't know Grogan was the worst QB in the game. When I'd have a wide open receiver on a short route, I'd run Grogan right to the line of scrimmage before throwing it. Otherwise it'd take forever to get there!

    • @eugenedenbrook322
      @eugenedenbrook322 3 года назад +1

      Respect for that

    • @MatthewChristianMurray
      @MatthewChristianMurray 3 года назад +1

      Grogan was also one of a number of players in the game who were done playing by the start of the real-life 1991 NFL season. Games took months to produce, so they couldn’t just wait around to see who did and didn’t retire.

  • @fromulus
    @fromulus 3 года назад +3

    That rod rust 1990 season was my first full season of paying attention to an NFL team, as an 11 year old. Damn, that team was fucking awful. Fortunately for me I only had an 11 year wait till the glory days started, but there was much suffering in New England for football fans for many decades up until then.

  • @lolol180
    @lolol180 3 года назад +1

    god the uniforms were so much better back then, rather than this throw -up they wear now.

  • @Buffalo_Bills_1964
    @Buffalo_Bills_1964 3 года назад +2

    These Patriot uni’s are so much better than the current ones IMO.

  • @BennysBenz
    @BennysBenz 3 года назад +17

    Clayborn was awesome love that you did this story. I dont think Clayborn and Tippett get the respect they deserve. Wish we could forget Rod Russ as a HC.

    • @gluserty
      @gluserty 3 года назад +3

      Rust really didn't stand a chance though, as that team was really crumbling. It appears that Rust wasn't the right man to lead a rebuild, however.

    • @fromulus
      @fromulus 3 года назад +3

      Tippett is one of the most underrated players in NFL history. Still to this day.

    • @gluserty
      @gluserty 3 года назад

      @@fromulus I agree.

    • @thunderlightning1980
      @thunderlightning1980 2 года назад +1

      Rod Rust, not Russ.

    • @shawngreene1225
      @shawngreene1225 2 года назад

      Tippett is at least in the hall of fame. That 90 season was so horrible, I'm glad I wasn't able to watch those games living in Baltimore

  • @danielpearce8567
    @danielpearce8567 3 года назад +3

    Wait. What about Mike Haynes?

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      Like Jim Plunkett, he, eventually joined the Raiders, and, won.

  • @CTubeMan
    @CTubeMan 3 года назад +11

    Reminds me of how the Mets left Tom Seaver unprotected after the 1983 season. He got his 300th win in New York…in a White Sox uniform. I’ll provide more details if requested.

    • @billslocum9819
      @billslocum9819 3 года назад +2

      One difference: Seaver in 1984 rebounded without the Mets as a winning starter (15-11), and the Mets in 1984 rebounded without Seaver as a winning team (90-72). A great "what-if" is how the Mets would have done that year with Seaver and Dwight Gooden as their top pitchers. (They finished in second place, 6.5 games behind the Cubs).

    • @SurgingSpecs
      @SurgingSpecs 3 года назад +2

      @@billslocum9819 And the whole story (and Seaver’s career) ends in 1986 when Seaver and his Red Sox lost the World Series to, of all teams, the Mets.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      He actually was a member of the 1986 Red Sox, although, he didn't play in the World Series, at all.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      @@billslocum9819 For all of their problems, the biggest one the 1980s Mets faced was the Playoff Format, most notoriously in 1987.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад

      @@SurgingSpecs A Dodgers team that wasn't much better than the Red Sox beat them in 1988, coaching matters, far more than anyone realizes.

  • @kyledamron
    @kyledamron 2 года назад

    I would consider Mike Haynes the greatest corner the pats had until maybe ty law

  • @DNSKansas
    @DNSKansas 2 года назад

    Ironically, Clayborn's last year in the NFL was Belichick's first as a HC in Cleveland. A bridge between the Sullivan/Kiam ownership and Kraft's.

  • @sirmang9032
    @sirmang9032 3 года назад +2

    Kind of a misleading topic to be honest. The NFL didn't forbid Clayborn going back to the Pats. Clayborn could have just not signed the deal with the Browns. Come April 1st the Pats could have then brought him back. Clayborn thought about it, and signed the Browns contract anyway on March 14th. All he had to do was wait 2 weeks if he really wanted to be a Patriot still. If you don't think the Pats and Clayborn talked during this time period you're naive. Yes it was against league rules, but have league rules stopped anyone before? Tampering has always been a thing.

  • @redmustangredmustang
    @redmustangredmustang 3 года назад +1

    The 1990 Patriots were the ultimate dumpster fire. With Victor Kiam's comments and the team just imploding with 15 losses. This where the Patriots as an organization bottomed out.

  • @Pika250
    @Pika250 3 года назад +2

    Raymond Clayborn: Left in free agency during 1990 offseason, signed by Cleveland. Wore 26.
    Ty Law: Left in free agency during 2005 offseason, signed by the division rival Jets. Wore 24.
    Stephon Gilmore: Traded in 2021 offseason to Carolina for a 2023 6th round pick. Wears 24.

    • @MatthewChristianMurray
      @MatthewChristianMurray 3 года назад

      Solution: The Hoodie implements a rule that cornerbacks new to the team can wear only single-digit numbers.

    • @aidanmiranda6140
      @aidanmiranda6140 3 года назад

      If Gilmore went to the Jets do we think they would let him wear his number 24?

    • @fromulus
      @fromulus 3 года назад

      I don't really understand the point of this comment.

  • @itz-luigi1210
    @itz-luigi1210 3 года назад +14

    Didn't Mike Haynes play for NE? Wouldn't that make him the best cb in pats history pre Ty Law,? I could be incorrect and I think Ray clayburn is a great all time patriot.

    • @Lawomenshoops
      @Lawomenshoops 3 года назад +4

      Haynes was the best CB for the Patriots!!

    • @alfjgist
      @alfjgist 3 года назад +3

      Haynes was great but he was better remembered as a Raider

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      Ty Law was good, but, I think that jewelry put him in the HOF.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      @@Lawomenshoops Too bad they traded him, as they did distressingly often.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад +1

      @@alfjgist Jim Plunkett, too, the Patriots just completely let him down.

  • @Wolverines4ever-sl1js
    @Wolverines4ever-sl1js 3 года назад +1

    I love those old patriot uniforms...can't stand what they have now...I also loved the Tampa bay creamsicle colors

    • @joe1504
      @joe1504 3 года назад

      I like the new white uniforms. The blue ones are ok, kinda bland

  • @levikatriel
    @levikatriel 3 года назад +5

    The opposite happened in 1972, where the league blocked a suspension from the patriots. Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about the drama.

  • @marcus813
    @marcus813 3 года назад +7

    Thank goodness the free agency rules work a lot differently as of 2021. The timing of the Patriots' head coaching change made things strange.

  • @denisceballos9745
    @denisceballos9745 3 года назад

    The Patriots got Clayborn (26) via the Jim Plunkett trade to SF. New England got 2 first round picks from SF in ‘76, and a first and second rounder from them in ‘77. Clayborn was the first round draft pick they got from SF in the ‘77 draft. Not a bad haul for the Pats back then; they got C Pete Brock, S Tim Fox, CB Raymond Clayborn, and RB Horace Ivory, plus backup QB Tom Owen, courtesy of the Forty Niners.

  • @SurgingSpecs
    @SurgingSpecs 3 года назад +2

    0:26 more recently, Philip Rivers in a Colts jersey

  • @ronpeacock9939
    @ronpeacock9939 3 года назад +1

    Plan-B free agency was an odd time in the NFL... you're under contract, but at the same time free to talk to other teams about a new contract... if you did nothing... you reverted back to your old deal at the end of the Plan-B period... really strange times...

    • @eugenedenbrook322
      @eugenedenbrook322 3 года назад

      I remember that. Denver used it to patch together a not so super team in 89', which the AFC sent as a sacrifice to the Niners in the SB.

  • @TheSonicsean
    @TheSonicsean 3 года назад +1

    Kind of amazing that the "same team" would later have a coach run the team for two full seasons and the fans would have killed for 3-13.

  • @NillyNilly546
    @NillyNilly546 3 года назад

    Clayborn was definitely a shining star of otherwise rough period for the Patriots, I see him being held in a lot of Pat fans hearts.

  • @jlh4jc
    @jlh4jc 3 года назад +1

    One thing I don't get is why Clayborn isn't in the HOF? He and Ken Riley were 2 of the premier corners in that era. Both should be enshrined.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад

      Paul Krause holds the record for TOs, but, never won a SB, only his wife's near-death, would get him selected.

  • @Fireyninjadog
    @Fireyninjadog 11 дней назад

    Mike haynes was the best patriots cornerback before ty law

  • @scottconner7930
    @scottconner7930 3 года назад

    31 Years Ago

  • @gluserty
    @gluserty 3 года назад +3

    You know, at the beginning of the video, I knew that was Johnny Unitas just from the shoes & walk (that Chargers team he went to was an absolute mess).
    What's worse is that Raymond Clayborn's arrival with the Browns upset further an already caustic contract situation with tenured players of that team, and heavy holdouts were a large reason for the 1990 Browns being so out of sync and finishing 3-13 (I think it's still the worst season in Browns history, due to the abrupt turn of the franchise's fortunes and how poorly they played in that season).
    Hanford Dixon was great in the 1980s, and the 49ers did try out Dixon (similar to how they gave Wes Chandler a shot in 1988), but he wasn't able to make it out of training camp (Chandler did a little better in '88, at least making the regular-season roster, but he didn't last).

  • @Greg5711999
    @Greg5711999 3 года назад +2

    I ran into Mr. Claiborne a couple of months after he signed that deal. I was a lowly security guard and caught him trespassing on the property. I made him do the walk of shame off the property. He tried to tell me who he was but I already knew and was having none of that privilege stuff. Mr. Claiborne, if you’re reading this, I should have called the cops that day but I didn’t. This story might have had another twist if I had.

    • @davepangburn
      @davepangburn 3 года назад +1

      Greg Williams, if you are reading this, spend a little extra time learning how to spell the guy's name right before commenting. "Claiborne"? Um, no. It's Clayborn.

    • @Greg5711999
      @Greg5711999 3 года назад

      Gotcha. Good point. Should have checked that spelling.

  • @markoakes8620
    @markoakes8620 3 года назад

    Glad to watch this video. Was truly sad to see him leave for another team because I thought he wanted to leave NE.

  • @soulpatrolhawaii5409
    @soulpatrolhawaii5409 3 года назад +1

    Clayborn and Mike Haynes were a great tandem for the Pats in the late 70s

  • @PhilWood82
    @PhilWood82 3 года назад

    6:49 I'm sorry, what? That in itself should be the subject of a separate video: The BIZARRE coaching strategy of Raymond Berry.

    • @matthewdaley746
      @matthewdaley746 3 года назад

      It resulted in a fluky SB appearance, the novelty wore off quickly.

  • @pwinson
    @pwinson 3 года назад

    The argument for Clayborn or Haynes over Ty Law is probably their roles in returning kickoffs and punts respectively, since Law never did that. But I think overall, CB became a much tougher position by the mid 90s.

    • @carldean462
      @carldean462 3 года назад +1

      Mike Haynes was the best cb in Patriots history going away. The argument that Law or Clayborn were the best are a joke. Haynes had length,speed and wide receiver hands.

  • @miketemple7686
    @miketemple7686 3 года назад

    Just remember no matter what happens you’re all winners…NO YOU’RE NOT!

  • @donaldpaluga
    @donaldpaluga 3 года назад +1

    Emmitt in a Cards jersey

  • @84sp84
    @84sp84 3 года назад

    Only thing I would say is the Patriots likely are just as bad with Clayborn on the team. While not a sentimental move, Berry’s logic was the correct approach to start the rebuild.

  • @jeffyx3661
    @jeffyx3661 3 года назад +1

    If I could make a request....
    A video about the Bills benching Flutie for no good fuckin reason in favor of Rob Johnson which proceeded the music city miracle.
    Thank You.

  • @gcooper146
    @gcooper146 3 года назад

    Hmm, play on the 1990 Browns or the 1990 Patriots? Yikes

  • @nasetvideos
    @nasetvideos 3 года назад +8

    I'll follow up with the same thoughts of CTubeMan--Very much like the Tom Seaver story and leaving him unprotected. Great video and story-telling.

  • @jasonwilkins4864
    @jasonwilkins4864 3 года назад

    Bugs Bunny let a fart at the end of the game!

  • @Fireyninjadog
    @Fireyninjadog 2 года назад

    When the pats were a 1 win team

  • @chadwickwhite6107
    @chadwickwhite6107 3 года назад

    As far as I am concerned the New England Patriots are a 39.6. They should SPIKE the football into the ground on EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE play!!!!!!

  • @davepangburn
    @davepangburn 3 года назад +1

    Hate to say it, but I think that Raymond Clayborn dodged a bullet. Ending up with the Browns, he was spared for playing on the 1 - 15 New England Patriots of 1990. Likely the worst team in Patriots history. The 1990 Pats were so bad they ended up making it on the one of those Top 10 list programs the NFL Network have done. Namely the Top 10 Worst Teams of All-Time episode (aired in 2007). Yup, that bad.

    • @Unknown-bq9id
      @Unknown-bq9id 3 года назад +1

      And it wasn't helped at all by the Lisa Olson scandal and Victor Kiam's response to it--hell, that was likely one of the reasons Robert Kraft became majority owner of the Patriots...

  • @Lawomenshoops
    @Lawomenshoops 3 года назад +4

    You missed the fact that Clayburn got knocked out by a Boston sportswriter. Will McDorkough, mcdonough a jerk writer, decked Clayborn after Clayborn confronted him about a story her wrote.
    Also, teams routinely didn't protect some older veterans- the thinking- they wouldn't draw much interest from other teams and they wanted to protect a younger player. So a few veterans were left unprotected but did actually resign with the team. Of course, some veterans actually did get better offers and took the money!

    • @JBar
      @JBar 3 года назад

      and 37 of 47 players being protected isn't really accurate. No one escaped a season with no injuries, plus with way injured reserve rules worked it was easier for teams to stash players, so after the regular season ends teams could have significantly more than 47 players when Plan B free agency began