As a furniture restorer for many years I have restored very many chairs with danish cord (which incidentally is twisted brown paper), it was very popular in the past with teak, scandinavian style chairs. I also used to make my own "bent nails" with a hammer and a vice! The cord then came in large coild, which i used to wind onto an old plastic garden reel, saves all the tangling. One other tip if you put one of the nails unbent in a drill chuck it will drill the perfect hole. Works atreat with fine panel/veneer pins too.
I am a weaver (neither Danish, nor furniture though), and my approach is "if it works, it's good", so don't sweat it. We all fret about where things went wrong, but everyone else will never notice
Hi Peter, Nice project! This is not a machine weave [thank goodness]. So variations will be inevitable. They are essential ingredient and a charme. A few suggestions for your next stool: The rails are square. This makes wrapping the cord around and tensioning more difficult. A chamfer might help. Sit on it for a while. Use of the stool will even out the differences in tension in the various strands. Also: Natural fibers [like wood] respond to moisture / drying. Use that to your advantage. Use [very slightly] moist cord when weaving. It makes it a bit more pliable. Then when the seat dries, the seat will tighten a bit. Note: Over time the seat will sag a bit. Moisten the weave and let it tighten again as it dries up. BTW alternative materials can be much cheaper like sisal, hemp fiber or things like strips of recycled cotton cloth, steal wire.... Anything stringy really.
This is a first ... while I was at the door collecting my MFT top for my DIY bench, I came back in and my wife is watching your Danish cord video. She'll be wanting track saw lessons next. :)
Great job Peter! I had to re-finish 4 dining chairs in seagrass after one of our cats decided they made great scratching posts. So if you have a cat - beware! In the end we had to screw shaped pieces of thin wood along each side of the seat to cover the seagrass to stop him getting at the cord. Instead of nails, I used what the orginal manufacturer used - staples fired from an electric staple gun.
To add to my previous post,I have a copy ( tucked away,somewhere) Called "Chair Seating: Techniques in Cane, Rush, Willow and Cords", I think several authors contributed. Absolutely first class, including Danish cord weaving. Very worth tracking down! This book was written by people who really knew their craft.
Excellent content as always Peter, I doubt I’ll be trying this one as you need the patience of a saint by the looks. Was really chuffed you made it onto Steve Ramsey’s ‘How has woodworking on RUclips changed’ episode, you deserve it mate. Always well produced and always interesting. 👏🏻
Wow, that takes me back! 50 years ago in woodwork class, we all made an almost identical stool from mahogany, but the seat was woven from sea grass. I was the only one out of the class to finish it! (Even so, the woven top looked good, but the underside of the seat was out of whack 🤣.
Regarding tension: you know how many thicknesses of cord the weft will need to angle around, so I wonder if the best way to estimate this might be to clamp a spacer of that combined thickness flush with the top of the stool, and then apply the desired tension from there?
I remember making one of these in high-school in my second year in woodwork class lol we used hemp cord and jute cord and we just wrap 4 times and over then we used another cord from the opposite side and did the same i had mine till last year when the cordage final give way after 40 years lol i still have the frame so i may have ago like you have done with the L nails see what is like thank you for rekindling my fond memories of woodworking classes at school just got to find it in the workshop now i now i kept it R.I.P Ma'am God save the King
This takes me back over 45 years when I made one too in Woodwork at school and I remember sitting outside the classroom in the sun weaving the seat. The seagrass has ratted away, but I've still got the frame and it's still structurally sound - just waiting for a RUclips video to come along and maybe re-string it. The pattern we used then was 4 strands across and then 2 spacers, no nails, just a back and forward weave across the frame so it had a top and bottom. I'm sure we used a natural coloured seagrass or at least it was called that, maybe the Danish string is a green thing. Thanks for the memory lane video :)
Not sure where in the world you are but I'm in Australia and think this was a very common high school woodwork project. I too made one around 35 years ago using seagrass as the cordage and what sounds like the same or very similar weave as yourself and still have it today.
I have some garden furniture with a similar cord. I'll study it to see how they got it tight, with no gaps. Probably using machines and/or levers to apply tension, I expect.
Nice work. I think if you made a weaving shuttle to wrap your cord around and push through the weaves, it would help you out and wouldn't feel like you need 3 hands. Also if you use a few pieces of wood to hold the row up that needs woven, it would help you tremendously. Then you could use that piece of wood to help keep your weaves tightly together and straight. Hope these tips help!
very nice. I’ve never attempted anything like this so great to be exposed to it. Thank you for sharing. I wonder if it would help to create subtle notches in the wood frame to deliberately space out the chord as it wraps? Deep enough to hold the chord, yet not to be noticeable.
Well done Peter. Out of necessity I started woodworking at age 50. Now, 12 years later, I'm at home waiting for a wood delivery to start building kitchen cabinets. Undoubtedly as you make a few more Danish cord projects your skills and speed will improve.
I’ve never thought about doing this craft but you’ve peaked my interest.I’m at that age where I need to put my feet up after a long day. Thanks Pete it’s always a pleasure to see what your up to. I just hope you don’t bring Crochet into the mix
Wise after the event, of course, but may be sensible to stain the rails to match the cord in future makes, just reduces the focus on the gaps until you get used to them !!
A Danish festool, but I thought they were German 🤔 🤣 Fascinating video though Mr Millard, thanks for taking us on your journey of learning and sharing your consolidated observations. What an amazing material paper is. I've been saving all my shredded paper to play around at doing some composite production, that might be a topic worth investigating depending how all this global economy stuff pans out.
I have enjoyed all your videos especially the stool as I want to make a taller version for an outdoor bar and was already researching paracord to use, which should be good for outside.
Kudos for having a go at danish cord weaving, not all that easy. In this pattern, "planflet", the cord in the first direction should be moderately thight and stay straight in the final weave.These cords traditionaly start at the very edges of the seat with 4 strands at first, then 2 strands. The second direction should go over and under the first direcion, making a wave pattern, and can therefore be absolutely thight against each other (with no need for velcro..). You need nails closer to the ends of the rails. Hope that all makes sense? Best of luck!
Ty, I've found that the Danish cord I purchased in the US has a satin sheen waxed coating keeps sliding with the away from the front rail. Is there black Danish cord with less wax? Jay Ingalsbe
Condolences from Sweden to all my Brittish friends on this channel today for the demise of queen Elizabeth II, was an extraordinary woman that had me deepest respect. 🇬🇧👑❤️
That's really not a bad first (second) pop at it mate, honestly. I've found it's one if those things, a bit like plastering maybe, where there's just no real secret that beats experience. A guy I've worked with on and off - bit of a mentor - is incredible at these. Or at least he was. On his warps, he'd do a sort of pinch on each the two facing edges of the style. Kinking the cord in effect, then yank it around the back side of the style a couple times before passing to the other side. It supples the cord apparently but in the few I've done, I've not replicated it. He just did it instinctively.🤷♂️
Paracord is excellent to weave with. I've made a bunch of bracelets and other things. Nothing as big as a seat. There's a channel on here the weavers of eternity that has a lot of excellent tutorials.
Thanks Bill! Beyond my capabilities too! 😂 Grooves are holding up pretty well, lost a bit of the very front of the MDF- just chipped away - and I had to brace the top as it sagged a bit. 🤷♂️👍
Paracord doesn't work out because of stretch. In seatweaving of this kind you need the amount of stretch in the cord to be low as the seat will sag otherwise. Paracord has a stretch of 30 % minimum. Loaded over a long time that can get up to even 40 %. You'd end up with not just a saggy seat but a baggy one!
Don't worry about going to tight mate. With age and use, it'll wear in. I know from experience. Me wife has a saggy seat these days, but I much preferred it when we first got married 🤣
From a vid I watched it seems that the 'four times around' spacing is a 'little' arbitrary. When spacing the thread you choose a number i.e. four BUT you may have to use 5 or 3 wraps occassionally to keep the thread perp to the rail. I suspect that correct tension is the key, but that as they say is down to experience. Great 1st, Peter, the 2nd will be even better!
Thanks Keith! Yes, I think there was a Chris Tribe video where he mentioned that, but as I was starting from scratch I thought I'd go for 4 turns every time. 👍 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Well it looks like a tongue twister for the fingers (brain too) but It looks like you've graspedit, just practice, practice, practice - er...you did want to become a weaver...?
It was quite a bit too slack. It doesn't want to be piano string tight but as much as feels natural. Once you get into the weft you want to keep a block and mallet close to close up the gaps keeping it all straight and tightish. And yes I think as you found the chord squashes and so your spacing needs to account for it. (And you'll be out of luck finding a concrete number for it 😅)
@@10MinuteWorkshop like you said it's probably a bit of practice to get the feel of what's right. If it is too tight you'll never get the weave straight but too loose and it never tightens up. I think I had similar sag to that in my last seat but that was about 4 times bigger!
Paracord. Weaving a tool belt belt at the moment about 90% there. 2 tips for weaving. Get a lacing needle sized for your paracord, don't ask how Know that paracord comes in different sizes. A crochet hook makes everything easier especially tightening/neatening the weft. We have also lost a H of S. A factor in the defeat of a previous referendum on an Australian Republic was how many republicans in principle respected the queen as a person. Actually looking at your run of PMs there was a good argument for removing the constitutional from constitutional monarchy.
Danish or Scandinavian furniture was very popular in Britain 1960s/70s, they were usually made from teak with simple lines and they used this paper based "cord" as a seating material, so I imagine that Danes had introduced it. Natural progression was to call it "Danish Cord"! In Britain a natural material known as Seagrass was often used but it was coarse whereas Danish cord being paper was much softer and being machine made available in continuous lenghths.
@@albertplumb7206 Thank you for the explanation. I did know that there were some danish designers in the 50-60. That are well known, atleast in Denmark.
21 minutes from the 10 Minute Workshop...talk about stringing it out Peter!🤭 ...but seriously, many thanks for an enlightening demonstration of a new (old) and useful skill, fair play to you Man for this your latest of your inspirational contributions. PS deepest of sympathies and respect from Ireland on the passing of your Head of State HM QE2. Through her Work Ethic, Passion, Respectful Approach and much loved by her People, She was an Inspiration to behold in our lifetime. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a hanam uasal. Tá si inár gcuid smaointe agus paidreacha... A
As a furniture restorer for many years I have restored very many chairs with danish cord (which incidentally is twisted brown paper), it was very popular in the past with teak, scandinavian style chairs. I also used to make my own "bent nails" with a hammer and a vice! The cord then came in large coild, which i used to wind onto an old plastic garden reel, saves all the tangling. One other tip if you put one of the nails unbent in a drill chuck it will drill the perfect hole. Works atreat with fine panel/veneer pins too.
Thanks Peter - I’m definitely going to give it a try - thanks for a typically thorough explanation 👍
Absolutely beautiful work Peter, Thanks for the tips and for sharing...
Weave all learned something today 😂
that joke struck a c(h)ord...
It was so bad, I should get strung up 😂
Awful 😂😂
@@TheWardagh sorry, it was a bit ropey 😂
😂😂
I am a weaver (neither Danish, nor furniture though), and my approach is "if it works, it's good", so don't sweat it. We all fret about where things went wrong, but everyone else will never notice
Thanks Karen! 🙌👍
Hi Peter, Nice project!
This is not a machine weave [thank goodness]. So variations will be inevitable. They are essential ingredient and a charme.
A few suggestions for your next stool: The rails are square. This makes wrapping the cord around and tensioning more difficult. A chamfer might help. Sit on it for a while. Use of the stool will even out the differences in tension in the various strands. Also: Natural fibers [like wood] respond to moisture / drying. Use that to your advantage. Use [very slightly] moist cord when weaving. It makes it a bit more pliable. Then when the seat dries, the seat will tighten a bit. Note: Over time the seat will sag a bit. Moisten the weave and let it tighten again as it dries up. BTW alternative materials can be much cheaper like sisal, hemp fiber or things like strips of recycled cotton cloth, steal wire.... Anything stringy really.
I really enjoyed this project. Please do continue on. This sort of project has a special place in my heart.
This is a first ... while I was at the door collecting my MFT top for my DIY bench, I came back in and my wife is watching your Danish cord video. She'll be wanting track saw lessons next. :)
😂 It’s how I reel them in… 😆👍👍
Great job Peter! I had to re-finish 4 dining chairs in seagrass after one of our cats decided they made great scratching posts. So if you have a cat - beware! In the end we had to screw shaped pieces of thin wood along each side of the seat to cover the seagrass to stop him getting at the cord. Instead of nails, I used what the orginal manufacturer used - staples fired from an electric staple gun.
Well done Peter…….I certainly won’t be trying it😎😂
To add to my previous post,I have a copy ( tucked away,somewhere) Called "Chair Seating: Techniques in Cane, Rush, Willow and Cords", I think several authors contributed. Absolutely first class, including Danish cord weaving. Very worth tracking down! This book was written by people who really knew their craft.
I grabbed a low $ copy off amazon. Thanks!
I was looking at this book a while ago but cheapest i could find in the uk was £75
Fascinating build, thank you Peter
Many thanks. As they say "And now for something completely different.
Excellent content as always Peter, I doubt I’ll be trying this one as you need the patience of a saint by the looks. Was really chuffed you made it onto Steve Ramsey’s ‘How has woodworking on RUclips changed’ episode, you deserve it mate. Always well produced and always interesting. 👏🏻
Thanks Andrew! I was amazed I made it in there tbh, but delighted to be mentioned amongst that cast-list of heavy-hitting RUclipsrs! 👍
Wow, that takes me back! 50 years ago in woodwork class, we all made an almost identical stool from mahogany, but the seat was woven from sea grass. I was the only one out of the class to finish it! (Even so, the woven top looked good, but the underside of the seat was out of whack 🤣.
I love your video. One can learn from it. Thanks.
Well... interesting Peter, thanks so much, hope your'e well, might have a try at this! Take care out there, and thanks again
Cheers Paul! 👍
I did an outdoor project using 300 lb parachord. It actually gets tighter overtime. I did get a few blisters. Worked out fine. Thanks 🙏
Regarding tension: you know how many thicknesses of cord the weft will need to angle around, so I wonder if the best way to estimate this might be to clamp a spacer of that combined thickness flush with the top of the stool, and then apply the desired tension from there?
I remember making one of these in high-school in my second year in woodwork class lol we used hemp cord and jute cord and we just wrap 4 times and over then we used another cord from the opposite side and did the same i had mine till last year when the cordage final give way after 40 years lol i still have the frame so i may have ago like you have done with the L nails see what is like thank you for rekindling my fond memories of woodworking classes at school just got to find it in the workshop now i now i kept it
R.I.P Ma'am God save the King
Think I want to give this a go sometime. Looks like it would be fun to make one!
This takes me back over 45 years when I made one too in Woodwork at school and I remember sitting outside the classroom in the sun weaving the seat. The seagrass has ratted away, but I've still got the frame and it's still structurally sound - just waiting for a RUclips video to come along and maybe re-string it. The pattern we used then was 4 strands across and then 2 spacers, no nails, just a back and forward weave across the frame so it had a top and bottom. I'm sure we used a natural coloured seagrass or at least it was called that, maybe the Danish string is a green thing. Thanks for the memory lane video :)
Not sure where in the world you are but I'm in Australia and think this was a very common high school woodwork project. I too made one around 35 years ago using seagrass as the cordage and what sounds like the same or very similar weave as yourself and still have it today.
It might be worth a try with wet cord on a small sample piece. Perhaps it will shrink and tighten when it's dry?
I have some garden furniture with a similar cord. I'll study it to see how they got it tight, with no gaps. Probably using machines and/or levers to apply tension, I expect.
Nice work. I think if you made a weaving shuttle to wrap your cord around and push through the weaves, it would help you out and wouldn't feel like you need 3 hands. Also if you use a few pieces of wood to hold the row up that needs woven, it would help you tremendously. Then you could use that piece of wood to help keep your weaves tightly together and straight. Hope these tips help!
Very much, thanks Tracey!
@@10MinuteWorkshop you are so welcome!
Sure you will get there Pete, don't beat yaself up Mate, have a nice day !!!.
Thanks Brian! 🙌👍
Love your work 👍
Thank you! 👍
very nice.
I’ve never attempted anything like this so great to be exposed to it. Thank you for sharing.
I wonder if it would help to create subtle notches in the wood frame to deliberately space out the chord as it wraps? Deep enough to hold the chord, yet not to be noticeable.
Thanks Peter - a great video and it helped me a lot. Out of interest did you ever get around to using the other synthetic options a go? Andy
Thanks Andy! No, I never did; the paracord seemed too stretchy, and the strapping was just horrible to handle! 🤷♂️
Excellent work. Maybe if the wooden side things are rounded it will help the cord be tighter?
Thank you! It would, yes. Many things learned on this project - but I still like the look and design of the frame. 👍
Well done Peter. Out of necessity I started woodworking at age 50. Now, 12 years later, I'm at home waiting for a wood delivery to start building kitchen cabinets. Undoubtedly as you make a few more Danish cord projects your skills and speed will improve.
Let’s hope they don’t get worse, lol! 😂😂 And thank you! 👍
Very interesting. Never seen anything like this.
Turned out great mate 👍 nice job buddy 👍
Cheers Dan! 👍
You are marvellous
Thank you! 🙌👍
I’ve never thought about doing this craft but you’ve peaked my interest.I’m at that age where I need to put my feet up after a long day. Thanks Pete it’s always a pleasure to see what your up to. I just hope you don’t bring Crochet into the mix
Wise after the event, of course, but may be sensible to stain the rails to match the cord in future makes, just reduces the focus on the gaps until you get used to them !!
A Danish festool, but I thought they were German 🤔
🤣
Fascinating video though Mr Millard, thanks for taking us on your journey of learning and sharing your consolidated observations. What an amazing material paper is. I've been saving all my shredded paper to play around at doing some composite production, that might be a topic worth investigating depending how all this global economy stuff pans out.
As an old manager once said to me - "Improvisation, the keynote for success"
I have enjoyed all your videos especially the stool as I want to make a taller version for an outdoor bar and was already researching paracord to use, which should be good for outside.
Hi Peter a plywood version sounds a great project, Steve
Thanks Steve! 👍
Spectacular video, thanks Peter! That certainly isn’t a 10 minute job LOL
Brilliant ..
Great job 👍🏼
Kudos for having a go at danish cord weaving, not all that easy. In this pattern, "planflet", the cord in the first direction should be moderately thight and stay straight in the final weave.These cords traditionaly start at the very edges of the seat with 4 strands at first, then 2 strands. The second direction should go over and under the first direcion, making a wave pattern, and can therefore be absolutely thight against each other (with no need for velcro..). You need nails closer to the ends of the rails. Hope that all makes sense?
Best of luck!
Ty, I've found that the Danish cord I purchased in the US has a satin sheen waxed coating keeps sliding with the away from the front rail. Is there black Danish cord with less wax? Jay Ingalsbe
Hello Peter, have a nice day 😎🙋♂️
Great vid, looks good in walnut and black. There's a typo in your sign-up URL for the giveaway, there's a double ii in the minute.
Thanks! Not any more… 😂👍
Condolences from Sweden to all my Brittish friends on this channel today for the demise of queen Elizabeth II, was an extraordinary woman that had me deepest respect. 🇬🇧👑❤️
Thank you! 🙌👍
Thank you
Thank you from the uk 🇬🇧
Condolences to Sweden for the saggy Swedish seat in the video! 😜
That's really not a bad first (second) pop at it mate, honestly. I've found it's one if those things, a bit like plastering maybe, where there's just no real secret that beats experience. A guy I've worked with on and off - bit of a mentor - is incredible at these. Or at least he was. On his warps, he'd do a sort of pinch on each the two facing edges of the style. Kinking the cord in effect, then yank it around the back side of the style a couple times before passing to the other side. It supples the cord apparently but in the few I've done, I've not replicated it. He just did it instinctively.🤷♂️
Cheers Stew! I’m crap at plastering as well! 😂 👍
That's a pretty frame to have such a weak top. Hope you'll understand if I sit this one out.
cool
Sire fingers Peter?
Beautiful work, Peter! 😃
The little defects just add caracter to it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I can remember doing this as a CSE woodwork exam piece, 1973 as a guess
Paracord is excellent to weave with. I've made a bunch of bracelets and other things. Nothing as big as a seat. There's a channel on here the weavers of eternity that has a lot of excellent tutorials.
Not a bad effort at all Peter, must have took some patients 🙃
Hi Peter, nice demo but I think way beyond my capabilities. By the way how are the dovetail grooves on the MFT holding up?
Thanks Bill! Beyond my capabilities too! 😂 Grooves are holding up pretty well, lost a bit of the very front of the MDF- just chipped away - and I had to brace the top as it sagged a bit. 🤷♂️👍
Paracord doesn't work out because of stretch. In seatweaving of this kind you need the amount of stretch in the cord to be low as the seat will sag otherwise. Paracord has a stretch of 30 % minimum. Loaded over a long time that can get up to even 40 %. You'd end up with not just a saggy seat but a baggy one!
Don't worry about going to tight mate. With age and use, it'll wear in. I know from experience. Me wife has a saggy seat these days, but I much preferred it when we first got married 🤣
Well done Peter, your face was a picture 😩
In a weird departure from 10minutestandards, Peter finds the manufacturers cord is too long instead of too short...
😂😂 👍
You can also use paracord for this type of building too.
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I would think the side would tighten up once it’s sat on a fire hours.
But the seat would sag, no? 🤷♂️
I think Lloyd Loom furniture was made with corded paper. 😎
It was, sometimes with a wire core I believe. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 👍🤔🤷♂️
From a vid I watched it seems that the 'four times around' spacing is a 'little' arbitrary. When spacing the thread you choose a number i.e. four BUT you may have to use 5 or 3 wraps occassionally to keep the thread perp to the rail. I suspect that correct tension is the key, but that as they say is down to experience. Great 1st, Peter, the 2nd will be even better!
Thanks Keith! Yes, I think there was a Chris Tribe video where he mentioned that, but as I was starting from scratch I thought I'd go for 4 turns every time. 👍 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Well it looks like a tongue twister for the fingers (brain too) but It looks like you've graspedit, just practice, practice, practice - er...you did want to become a weaver...?
Why the grooves in your MFT top?
They’re for the matchfit microjig clamps - did a vid on them a little while back. 👍
thanks, just went to the video list and watched it. Still liking it?
Mixed feelings about them tbh. I like having the option of both, wouldn’t want just the matchfit stuff. 🤷♂️👍
It was quite a bit too slack. It doesn't want to be piano string tight but as much as feels natural.
Once you get into the weft you want to keep a block and mallet close to close up the gaps keeping it all straight and tightish.
And yes I think as you found the chord squashes and so your spacing needs to account for it. (And you'll be out of luck finding a concrete number for it 😅)
But if it was any tighter you’d never get the weft cords in there? 🤔🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop like you said it's probably a bit of practice to get the feel of what's right. If it is too tight you'll never get the weave straight but too loose and it never tightens up.
I think I had similar sag to that in my last seat but that was about 4 times bigger!
Paracord. Weaving a tool belt belt at the moment about 90% there. 2 tips for weaving. Get a lacing needle sized for your paracord, don't ask how Know that paracord comes in different sizes. A crochet hook makes everything easier especially tightening/neatening the weft. We have also lost a H of S. A factor in the defeat of a previous referendum on an Australian Republic was how many republicans in principle respected the queen as a person. Actually looking at your run of PMs there was a good argument for removing the constitutional from constitutional monarchy.
The weft and weave of fate . . .
Middle age gives you sloppy sides. Well, definitely in my case 😁
😂👍
No one likes a saggy seat 🎯
Being danish. Why is called Danish Cord.
Danish or Scandinavian furniture was very popular in Britain 1960s/70s, they were usually made from teak with simple lines and they used this paper based "cord" as a seating material, so I imagine that Danes had introduced it. Natural progression was to call it "Danish Cord"! In Britain a natural material known as Seagrass was often used but it was coarse whereas Danish cord being paper was much softer and being machine made available in continuous lenghths.
@@albertplumb7206 Thank you for the explanation. I did know that there were some danish designers in the 50-60. That are well known, atleast in Denmark.
21 minutes from the 10 Minute Workshop...talk about stringing it out Peter!🤭
...but seriously, many thanks for an enlightening demonstration of a new (old) and useful skill, fair play to you Man for this your latest of your inspirational contributions.
PS deepest of sympathies and respect from Ireland on the passing of your Head of State HM QE2. Through her Work Ethic, Passion, Respectful Approach and much loved by her People, She was an Inspiration to behold in our lifetime. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a hanam uasal. Tá si inár gcuid smaointe agus paidreacha... A
Well, now I’m in a fortnightly schedule, 20-odd minutes only seems fair, lol! And thank you. A sad day. 👍