Famiclones are actually perfectly legal in 2024. The main restrictions on their productions would be patent-related, and all of Nintendo’s hardware patents for their systems up to the N64 have by this point expired.
The challenge is to consider the country where the patent has expired, though. I wonder if they have any active patent in Brazil, disallowing the usage of such Famiclones.
@@TheEricExperiment it's not that NES clones are legal in the same way emulators are (at least as far as Nintendo was concerned). Rather, NES clones are legal by virtue of the fact that their patents had expired. In other words, Nintendo cannot go after NES cloners any more than Disney can go after someone doing something with Steamboat Willie.
The Turbo Game is an improved version of the Top Game… which was my first console (and which you showcased here). Famiclones dominated Brazil because the country made imports prohibitively expensive. So the national industry developed its own clones. And then Nintendo wasn’t in Brazil (and has come and gone several times since then). Awesome video (still watching but decided to comment already). Edit: not sure if you noticed (or even mentioned) but this console (and lots of clones) sounds different than an original NES. With higher pitched sounds.
This clone also has the incorrect sound with the reversed duty cycles, as most of the later NOAC clones had. This is interesting, as I always thought that this was a fault of the NOAC. Addendum: The Sega controllers won’t work because Nintendo uses shift registers and a serial protocol for the controllers and Sega’s scheme is basically an extension of the way Atari and Commodore did, where each input had its own pin. The basic pin out for the directions and the first fire button is also identical, that’s why these controllers work on the 8 and 16 bit home computers and on the Amiga, there are even some games that support the extra buttons on a Sega controller. Turrican 2 and 3 at least do.
NoaCs were directly based on discrete clone chips, and almost if not all discrete clone chips from UMC suffer from the reverse duty cycle issue (even the micro genious branded ones). The ones labelled "TA-****" usually have correct duty cycles, but in my experience, they're rarer (in my region at least). The more modern noac consoles are actually less likely to have the reverse duty cycle bug
One thing I remember from 90s Poland was a famiclone that also had two ports, one for the Famicom games and the other for PAL NES games. Those things were rare, expensive, and ultimately useless since the most popular were ordinary famiclones with just "famicom" slots and it wasn't really easy to get your hands on a NES cartridge, famicom carts (especially bootlegs and multicarts) were much more common to find. //edit: I also must say that this definitely isn't the one I saw in Poland, because that specific board had a completely different design, the Fami and NES ports were perpendicular to each other.
Eu saquei que tu era brasileiro só pelo sotaque enquanto falava inglês, hahahaha Boa sacada fazer vídeos em inglês, mano! Assim você pode alcançar um público ainda maior. Valeu pelo vídeo, curti muito seu trabalho! Mais um inscrito!
@@kuranakarixx Eu estava me achando o fluente pq eu tava entendendo tudo na amior facilidade, mas veio o choque de realidade quando ele explicou a sigla CCE com sotque carioca
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Nice job spreading Brazilian videogame history to the world! P.S.: props for the 5:53 reference!
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I still have both CCE clones, one compatible with the Atari 2600 and the other compatible with the NES. Both are complete and still in the box. I made a video of each of them.
CCE Turbo Game was my first video game, I was 10 years old. If it weren't for CCE making this wonderful console, I wouldn't have any contact with NES/Famicom games. At that time it was very difficult to buy original products, especially international items. Thanks for the video
Small correction: as stated in 1:56, the CCE Supergame VG-2800 is actually a almost direct clone from the Coleco Gemini, not the Sega SG-1000. The Turbo Game is one of the most cool brazillian clones from back in the day... mine is fully modded: audio expansion for japanese cartridges, video mod to remove jailbars and interference (which the Turbo Game is specially bad), new caps, LED on the power button... you can even make it NTSC and swap CPU and PPU for the original NES/FC chips.
@@jordananderson8299 Coleco Gemini was released in the US in 1982. The VG-2800 was released in July of 1984 in Brazil. And both don't look like the SG-1000 at all, so...yeah.
@@TheEricExperiment They're pretty much both Atari 2600 clones, so you can say the Gemini was already a clone and the VG 2800 is the clone of a clone ahuhaha (but yeah, i was refering mostly to the design of the VG being almost identical to the Gemini)((the Gemini even went above and beyond modifying the TIA chip of the atari to avoid legal problems...but you can swap a working TIA with a little modification on a non working Gemini, check the Veim dos Game channel, he did a video about it some weeks ago))
I'm glad the algorithm served me your video, this kind of content is similar to what I do on my own channel, so obviously I'm into it. I show my own Top Game there in a couple of videos, I even modded it to support the Famicom expansion audio. You may also have noticed the audio difference as this console has swapped duty cycles. The SEGA controllers don't work here because they work in a complete different manner, the SEGA controllers are simpler inside (I also have a video about that in my channel, LOL)
My first exposure to video games was the Dynavision 4, another famiclone with a similar two slot setup, which was hilariously marketed as "The most compatible of the Nintendos", right in the front of the box. That would never fly today.
Um CCE Turbo Game.... um dos melhores clones brasileiros de NES ou Nintendo Famicom. Eu tinha um quando eu criança nos anos 1990. Bons tempos! Saudações vindas do Rio de Janeiro.
This console is actually pretty cool, it suffers from the same sound chip issues as most clone NES consoles do but the fact it can play any region without issues is awesome.
Some officially released Famicom games (usually third party such as Nuts & Milk,) used tin or solder covered contacts which I can scratch off using the cardboard paper stick from a cotton swab, instead of the properly "hard gold plated" contacts of first party famicom games and international official NES games. The tin or lead contacts scratch off onto the cartridge slot, then smear from the slot's pins onto whatever cartridge is connected next. I'd suggest using a toothbrush with isopropyl alcohol (between 70% and 99%) on the cart slot and a cotton swab on the cartridges themselves, since I've gotten games listed as "broken / not working" which needed nothing more than a good cleaning.
This was my second console (first one was a Dactar) and I love it. Mine came bundled with Gun Smoke. I love the controllers, they are comfortable to use and has very soft, not-clicky buttons. And yes, they still work.
Very nice video fellow american here from the USA, I am glad this popped up on my feed. I love Brazil and always wanted to learn more about the culture, people & technology. Since the country's language is Portuguese, I can understand some of it being from a latin background the form of talk and some words are the same but I can't speak it, one day I hope to. I really liked that mini computer you have there and the old school tube tv thats always great to see. I am interested in checking it out. Look forward to seeing more of your content.
That VG-2800 Atari clone actually looks more like it was inspired by the Coleco Gemini VCS clone than the Sega SG series. Really, even the controller ports are in the same positions, and has the same switch style. The only major difference is the difficulty switch placement being on the top instead of the front between the controllers and the Gemini having a slanted top panel. Considering the Gemini was the first licensed VCS clone, I think that tracks more. (For those not in the know, the Gemini was basically the guts of the ColecoVision VCS expansion module modified to be standalone.)
Just clarifying. Was completely fine to plug Turbogame in the 220v, most of the electronic equipament from Brazil, even on the 80's and 90's can actually work also in 50Hz, besides all brazilian grid be 60Hz with some regions having 127v and other 240v. Besides the looking of the transformer, it works pretty fine with 240v, even in older equipament.
Nice video! There are some small modifications we make to the hardware of this console that reduce interferences and improve the video a little. The controls aren't very good either, but overall it's very loved by Brazilian retrogamers.
Ah, CCE... a brand with a reputation so terrible that every brazilian who had a CCE product would joke about the CCE acronym having different meanings (such as, "Comprei Coisa Errada", "Cemitério de Componentes Eletrônicos", "Conserta Conserta Estraga", "Conjuntos de Componentes Estragados", "Central das Cagadas dos Engenheiros", and so on)
Something funny about the controller is that it wouldn't even need a shift register because of the fact that it uses DB9. So theoretically it could just be a board with contacts and a few wires. Kinda funny
The Sega controllers don't work because the NES used a serial interface, Master System and Genesis controllers used a parallel interface. This meant that the NES controllers had to have a shift-register in the controller to send the serial signals; Master System and Genesis controllers didn't, which is why they're very simple circuit-wise, the pins mapped directly to the buttons.
Just a funfact about Brazil in the analog TV and eletricity stantards. In both contexts Brazil got their technology both from USA and Europe, so some parts of Brazil, mainly the southeast region is 120v, but the major part of Brazil is 240v. The same with analog TV, we are the only contry in the world that use a standard called PAL-M, that besides what the name implies, isn't a PAL sub-standard but a NTSC one let me explain better: When the black and white television started on Brazil, we bought the equipament from USA, so it was expected that all our TVs would be NTSC as well. But when the color TV started we got the equipament from Europe, so because of that we have the PAL-M, a standard that is signal compatible with NTSC, being basically the same scanlines size, and signal clock, but color compatible with PAL, so the color signal and color clock, this was a thing that got so much problem to Brazil, that was common TVs have a option in the menu for you to to choose to put the signal in true NTSC, or the Southern America PAL Standard that was PAL-N, and was a real PAL Standard, and not a hybrid standard like PAL-M
pr3...I don't think only Brazilians would find it extraordinary...any console still working after 30 odd years whether it's Japanese or British or American North or South...boards need replaced capacitors at least...I've got a GameGear that had its capacitors replaced and the original screen too...and the screens failed again...family member sold 2 SuperNES consoles last year they will fail like the 2 dead SNES boards I had already...or was it 3 dead? I lost count...I have one left that still works...now that's impressive
1:35 That’s a TK2000. It’s in fact a clone of the Chinese MicroProfessor Computer. It would run Apple II games but only if they were rewritten to it, as memory allocation maps were different.
That's what we call a masterpiece! Thank you for spreading Brazilian hack culture to the world, Eric! I've heard countless stories from my dad about how things like video games and computers had to be built during a time when Brazilians couldn't import electronics from abroad.
That was my childhood console. I donated it in a Christmas because it was in bad shape, but I need to buy another one just for the nostalgia. Oh, and a small correction, most brazilian cities use 220V/60Hz, 110 is used only in some capitals that had older power planta from US that used this voltage. Nowadays it is all 220V, converted to 110 for those cities.
7:44 Ah, the classic Famiclone syndrome: Out of the 5 sound channels, at least 2 must be swapped (Hear the coin sound or just the stage tune and you'll know) Also, since NES gamepads and Sega gamepads interface with the console completely differently (NES: basically shift register sending all button values down one wire; Sega: Chip select + one other pin meaning one button press), even if they have the same pins at the plug, don't expect them to just be cross compatible.
I had a CCE’s SuperGame Atari clone. I think it had a good design, and the joysticks were more ergonomic than Atari’s. But in the other side the console had hardware quality issues. I remember my family had to send it more than one time to the technical assistance to get it functioning… just to go broke some time again.
Some observations. That is a NTSC based clone. The NTSC NES runs at 1.79 Mhz, and the PAL NES runs at 1.66 Mhz, a 17% difference. When you run PAL games, they will run and the music will play 1.7x faster than they would if using PAL hardware. If it was a PAL based clone, NTSC games would run 1.7x slower than they should. When in 1987 the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer UMC made the first clone chips of the Ricoh 2A03 CPU and 2C02 PPU they called "UA6527" and "UA6528", human error crept in. These copy chips do not correctly produce valid YUV color values, do not run all CPU cycles correctly and the pulse wave duty cycles for the square waves that make up the lead instruments in NES music have their duty cycles reversed. This is very notable in Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3 when coins are collected, the pitch is wrong. Unfrotunetely, since the world of bootlegs have no quality control, nearly every clone of the Famicom hardware right to this day carries the same mistakes UMC made in 1987. Hop on aliexpress and unless you buy an FPGA or else emulation based clone, you'll get modern clones with the very same flaws this and every other Famiclone have had since 1987. The good news is that that clones of this age use motherboards that are 1:1 compatible with the real Ricoh chips. You could desolder and discard those UMC clones and replace them with the CPU and PPU from a real NES, turning that clone into effectively a real NES without any of the errors. It might be worth thinking about, especially if you can find a cosmetically damaged or otherwise non-working NES.
This console, being Brazilian, is PAL-M, which runs at 60hz. PAL-M is a bit weird and it's exclusive to some South American countries I think, mainly Brazil.
@@TheEricExperiment I understand what you are saying. Although this clone may be designated PAL, what I'm telling you is those clone CPU and PPU were made in Taiwan by UMC and are very much NTSC, not PAL at all. That clone has an NTSC CPU and NTSC PPU. The only thing PAL about that clone is the power supply to fit the market it was sold in. It's still an NTSC clone. Also, the reason Master System, Megadrive, Atari etc controllers will not work this or any other NES clone is due to the difference in controller protocol. The DB-9 standard came from one pin being an input, like up, down, and fire. But the NES works off a 4021 shift register that pulses the signals like a matrix, the same way a keyboard works. This is true for clones too. They went with DB-9 connectors simply because they were far cheaper than the specific shaped connectors the real NES hardware used. In other words, although the plugs are shaped like DB-9 connectors, they are not. Any controllers designed for standard DB-9 will never work. Also Megadrive/Genesis controllers use a multiplexer circuit. Depending on the input, you could be applying +5v across a pin that wasn't ever intended and burn it out. Its highly advisable you don't attempt such a thing with these clones.
@@SatoshiMatrix1It's not about the power supply. Brazil uses 60hz. The Brazilian PAL-M system is basically NTSC using the PAL color carrier frequency, so what the console actually most likely does is just convert the generated NTSC signal to PAL-M.
I have a few more and I'll do videos about them eventually. But I don't have enough to do a whole series. Getting these things from Brazil is kinda hard unless I visit or someone comes visit
I'm aware Brazil had dozens of clones for the NES, but the most famous for me was the Polystation, kind of a prank clone. The box is based off the N64 one, the console uses the shell of the small PS1 version, and when you open the lid, youre greeted by a Famicom cartridge input, instead of a CD reader. Many kids that begged for a PS1 for their parents got this instead.
Polystation was really famous, but I dont think that was a legit Brazilian clone, since it was made in China. 90's CCE, Gradiente and Dismac clones, for instance, was totally designed in Brazil, what I think its awesome
@ygorventura yes, in that case, it's a different idea I think Polystation goes into the bootleg section, thinking about it, as it was total false advertisement, while turbo game admits to be an 8-bit console.
Theres lots of nes clones with dual cartridge slots. Dendy, Pegasus etc. One of best I have (at moment broken/needs fix) is pegasus with both 60 and 72 pin slot :)
It looks *exactly* like the "Knock-Off Generic EVR-9000" console model that's in the virtual reality retro game room simulator EmuVR. It can't be just a coincidence.
Love those brazilian clones from the 80s - I used to have TK90 and TK95 ZX Spectrum clones which are some of the best clones with high integration, with PAL-M/N specific modifications.
I've never had a Turbo Game but my two Dynavision 3 consoles (which also have dual slots) still work well after all this time. The Brazilian "fauna" of clones in the 1980s and 1990s is fascinating. What I consider the most curious is the Onyx Junior, an Atari 2600 clone with pause button.
CCE was also jokingly known as "Começou Comprando Errado" (You bought wrong from the beginning) or "Conserta, Conserta, Estraga" (Fix it, Fix it, It breaks). This one I don't know how to properly translate to English, hehe
MetalJesusRocks already showed this console in a bunch of his videos intros, like… 6? Years ago? Can you imagine putting the tome and effort into making this guy into an emulator to download online like an Nt4, GameCube, Gb, GBC, Advance, DS/3/2d emulator? They’d probably tell you how theres probably a dev console, but that may very likely not exist anymore, cause to get this things model number, firmware, all other sorts of code variables needed to apply to an emulator
I do own a Turbo Game and I am Brazilian. The DB-9 controller pinout isn't the same as all other DB-9 consoles, including some famiclones from Taiwan. It's very dangerous to try to use other DB-9 joypads or accessories from other consoles, because they can short the 5V pin and fry your console. Buy another controller adapter from you bought the first one. Turbo Game original gamepads are getting more expensive than the console itself, they are very difficult to find. Thank you for your review and video. By the way, the best built famiclone from Brazil is the Phantom System. Phantom System gamepads are compatible with Turbo Game, oddly enough.
I had a Top Game back in the day the first model, the controller was terrible, my dad had a Tk-3000 apple II clone, my first original console was a mega drive from tec toy, and after that we got more normal with playtronic snes and my dad also got an original msx from gradiente and later an imported amiga 1200 anyway great channel, saudações cariocas da irlanda!
Faltou a sopradinha na fitinha dos cavaleiros!!! E colocar errado os cartuchos erro bem comum até para nos na época!! E deu sorte de colocar outros controles e não queimar a entrada de controles!! As vezes acontece!!! Parabéns pelo vídeo abraço
I keep all the stuff with wires in kallax drawers and having them separated in bags make them easier to find and the wires don't get tangled. I have drawers for controllers, console cables, computer cables and so on.
Dude, famiclones use theirs standard for DB9 controlers. So all of them are compatible between all famiclones. To power your famiclone, and you do not want to use the build in transformer, just power it like any standard console with external power supply. It is very strange regulation in Brazil that all your consoles must have internal transformer (Atari, Sega, Nintendo, and even pong consoles)
Have you tried to use its own controller (without breaking it)? So, I had this one and I also had the adapters for US -> JP and JP -> US just in case for slot malfunction. Had a lot of fun with it. The main problems were: it breaks a lot, overheat easily, and breaks a lot. Have you tried the Phantom System?
Why would Nintendo's lawyers raise a shit-fit over an NES clone in 2024? Nintendo hasn't made the console in decades, their patent on the hardware has long since expired, and there's no money to be made from it anymore. As early as 2004-2005, I saw NES clones sold in stores. Game Informer even did an article on some gaming products and they touched on these clone consoles. By then, it was already fair game.
A few things, pal games are too fast being played at NTSC speed instead of having the ability to switch between modes. The audio isn't perfect, like most cloned NES chips. Still, if this was your only point of reference you wouldn't notice the sound. Kinda neat to have the option to play all games on one machine.
Famiclones are actually perfectly legal in 2024. The main restrictions on their productions would be patent-related, and all of Nintendo’s hardware patents for their systems up to the N64 have by this point expired.
They are, like emulators, but that wouldn't stop Nintendo from trying something as they are known for being horrible in that front.
The challenge is to consider the country where the patent has expired, though. I wonder if they have any active patent in Brazil, disallowing the usage of such Famiclones.
Nintendo has never tried to take down a famiclone after the patents expired, they know they'd lose. @@TheEricExperiment
@@LoremasterFoxBuster No, they haven't. Famiclones are legal in Brazil too.
@@TheEricExperiment it's not that NES clones are legal in the same way emulators are (at least as far as Nintendo was concerned). Rather, NES clones are legal by virtue of the fact that their patents had expired. In other words, Nintendo cannot go after NES cloners any more than Disney can go after someone doing something with Steamboat Willie.
The Turbo Game is an improved version of the Top Game… which was my first console (and which you showcased here). Famiclones dominated Brazil because the country made imports prohibitively expensive. So the national industry developed its own clones. And then Nintendo wasn’t in Brazil (and has come and gone several times since then).
Awesome video (still watching but decided to comment already).
Edit: not sure if you noticed (or even mentioned) but this console (and lots of clones) sounds different than an original NES. With higher pitched sounds.
EDU tu por aqui
Well said. Looks like we are under prohibitive taxes again.
Verdade edu eu concordo com tudo que tu disse aí
Yeah people commented about the sound, I hadn't noticed it because I haven't spent much time with the NES throughout my life.
@@Vulto166 Yeah, we made the "L"...
Hi everyone from the USA As a Brazilian, I am very honored by this video for showing something Brazilian and a hug to Tee
Would you perchance know the Retropolis podcast? (This very video will be in it shortly)
Clone systems from back in the day are fascinating! Cool video!
This clone also has the incorrect sound with the reversed duty cycles, as most of the later NOAC clones had. This is interesting, as I always thought that this was a fault of the NOAC.
Addendum: The Sega controllers won’t work because Nintendo uses shift registers and a serial protocol for the controllers and Sega’s scheme is basically an extension of the way Atari and Commodore did, where each input had its own pin. The basic pin out for the directions and the first fire button is also identical, that’s why these controllers work on the 8 and 16 bit home computers and on the Amiga, there are even some games that support the extra buttons on a Sega controller. Turrican 2 and 3 at least do.
NoaCs were directly based on discrete clone chips, and almost if not all discrete clone chips from UMC suffer from the reverse duty cycle issue (even the micro genious branded ones). The ones labelled "TA-****" usually have correct duty cycles, but in my experience, they're rarer (in my region at least). The more modern noac consoles are actually less likely to have the reverse duty cycle bug
That explains all of those shift registers inside of the console.
One thing I remember from 90s Poland was a famiclone that also had two ports, one for the Famicom games and the other for PAL NES games. Those things were rare, expensive, and ultimately useless since the most popular were ordinary famiclones with just "famicom" slots and it wasn't really easy to get your hands on a NES cartridge, famicom carts (especially bootlegs and multicarts) were much more common to find.
//edit: I also must say that this definitely isn't the one I saw in Poland, because that specific board had a completely different design, the Fami and NES ports were perpendicular to each other.
8:45 I love that there's a scan of the manual out there, to me it's another form of video game preservation.
Eu saquei que tu era brasileiro só pelo sotaque enquanto falava inglês, hahahaha
Boa sacada fazer vídeos em inglês, mano! Assim você pode alcançar um público ainda maior. Valeu pelo vídeo, curti muito seu trabalho! Mais um inscrito!
também percebi pelo sotaque que ele é brasileiro! 😂😂😂
e nao
@@kuranakarixx Eu estava me achando o fluente pq eu tava entendendo tudo na amior facilidade, mas veio o choque de realidade quando ele explicou a sigla CCE com sotque carioca
Nice job spreading Brazilian videogame history to the world!
P.S.: props for the 5:53 reference!
I still have both CCE clones, one compatible with the Atari 2600 and the other compatible with the NES. Both are complete and still in the box. I made a video of each of them.
CCE Turbo Game was my first video game, I was 10 years old. If it weren't for CCE making this wonderful console, I wouldn't have any contact with NES/Famicom games. At that time it was very difficult to buy original products, especially international items. Thanks for the video
Small correction: as stated in 1:56, the CCE Supergame VG-2800 is actually a almost direct clone from the Coleco Gemini, not the Sega SG-1000. The Turbo Game is one of the most cool brazillian clones from back in the day... mine is fully modded: audio expansion for japanese cartridges, video mod to remove jailbars and interference (which the Turbo Game is specially bad), new caps, LED on the power button... you can even make it NTSC and swap CPU and PPU for the original NES/FC chips.
Both were releaseds the same year 1983 so I have no clue which one inspired the other and which one is actually a copy of the other
@@jordananderson8299 Coleco Gemini was released in the US in 1982. The VG-2800 was released in July of 1984 in Brazil. And both don't look like the SG-1000 at all, so...yeah.
You mean a clone or the design?
@@TheEricExperiment They're pretty much both Atari 2600 clones, so you can say the Gemini was already a clone and the VG 2800 is the clone of a clone ahuhaha (but yeah, i was refering mostly to the design of the VG being almost identical to the Gemini)((the Gemini even went above and beyond modifying the TIA chip of the atari to avoid legal problems...but you can swap a working TIA with a little modification on a non working Gemini, check the Veim dos Game channel, he did a video about it some weeks ago))
I'm glad the algorithm served me your video, this kind of content is similar to what I do on my own channel, so obviously I'm into it. I show my own Top Game there in a couple of videos, I even modded it to support the Famicom expansion audio. You may also have noticed the audio difference as this console has swapped duty cycles. The SEGA controllers don't work here because they work in a complete different manner, the SEGA controllers are simpler inside (I also have a video about that in my channel, LOL)
Duuuuuuuude I been gaming since atari 2600 and I have NEVER EVER seen ANY of this!!! Very awesome love the channel. ❤😍
Thanks RUclips for presenting this channel for me.
I'm 43 years old and I had one of that console and I was very happy with it at that time.
My first exposure to video games was the Dynavision 4, another famiclone with a similar two slot setup, which was hilariously marketed as "The most compatible of the Nintendos", right in the front of the box. That would never fly today.
That's the point when any Brazilian audience hears you talk about TecToy and gives you the thumbs up!
(Eu sei qye vc é brasileiro!)
Boa jogada!
5:18 "Honey, I think the neighbor is testing old hardware again!" "Ugh, again? Fiiiiiiiiine, I'll call the fire department..."
Hahhahaha
Um CCE Turbo Game.... um dos melhores clones brasileiros de NES ou Nintendo Famicom. Eu tinha um quando eu criança nos anos 1990. Bons tempos! Saudações vindas do Rio de Janeiro.
This console is actually pretty cool, it suffers from the same sound chip issues as most clone NES consoles do but the fact it can play any region without issues is awesome.
Turbo Game was my first contact ever with Nintendo and I'm very grateful it exists
Some officially released Famicom games (usually third party such as Nuts & Milk,) used tin or solder covered contacts which I can scratch off using the cardboard paper stick from a cotton swab, instead of the properly "hard gold plated" contacts of first party famicom games and international official NES games.
The tin or lead contacts scratch off onto the cartridge slot, then smear from the slot's pins onto whatever cartridge is connected next.
I'd suggest using a toothbrush with isopropyl alcohol (between 70% and 99%) on the cart slot and a cotton swab on the cartridges themselves, since I've gotten games listed as "broken / not working" which needed nothing more than a good cleaning.
This was my second console (first one was a Dactar) and I love it. Mine came bundled with Gun Smoke.
I love the controllers, they are comfortable to use and has very soft, not-clicky buttons. And yes, they still work.
Very nice video fellow american here from the USA, I am glad this popped up on my feed. I love Brazil and always wanted to learn more about the culture, people & technology. Since the country's language is Portuguese, I can understand some of it being from a latin background the form of talk and some words are the same but I can't speak it, one day I hope to. I really liked that mini computer you have there and the old school tube tv thats always great to see. I am interested in checking it out. Look forward to seeing more of your content.
That VG-2800 Atari clone actually looks more like it was inspired by the Coleco Gemini VCS clone than the Sega SG series. Really, even the controller ports are in the same positions, and has the same switch style. The only major difference is the difficulty switch placement being on the top instead of the front between the controllers and the Gemini having a slanted top panel. Considering the Gemini was the first licensed VCS clone, I think that tracks more. (For those not in the know, the Gemini was basically the guts of the ColecoVision VCS expansion module modified to be standalone.)
Super interesting video. I like your personality too. Subbed!
I'm brazilian, and I got a Dynavision Xtreme from Dynacom, a Nes clone. Phantom System, Turbo Game, Top Game and Polystation are famous nes clones.
Just clarifying. Was completely fine to plug Turbogame in the 220v, most of the electronic equipament from Brazil, even on the 80's and 90's can actually work also in 50Hz, besides all brazilian grid be 60Hz with some regions having 127v and other 240v. Besides the looking of the transformer, it works pretty fine with 240v, even in older equipament.
Nice video! There are some small modifications we make to the hardware of this console that reduce interferences and improve the video a little. The controls aren't very good either, but overall it's very loved by Brazilian retrogamers.
Ah, CCE... a brand with a reputation so terrible that every brazilian who had a CCE product would joke about the CCE acronym having different meanings (such as, "Comprei Coisa Errada", "Cemitério de Componentes Eletrônicos", "Conserta Conserta Estraga", "Conjuntos de Componentes Estragados", "Central das Cagadas dos Engenheiros", and so on)
Among those I only knew Conserta, Conserta, Estraga! Lol there’s also Cliente Comprou Errado!
@@tropicalretro "Começou comprando errado", hehehe
Os Microsystems eram terriveis. Em 20 anos Meu pai teve meia dúzia.
Comecei Comprando Errado.
I had this back in the day! I currently own another clone, called Phantom System, but Turbogame was still so much better!
My first video game was a Top Game 8000... just loved it!
Something funny about the controller is that it wouldn't even need a shift register because of the fact that it uses DB9. So theoretically it could just be a board with contacts and a few wires. Kinda funny
Got randomly recommended here now I'm going to watch more videos good stuff my man
The Sega Genesis controller totally works on Atari 2600. It is a game changer.
The Sega controllers don't work because the NES used a serial interface, Master System and Genesis controllers used a parallel interface. This meant that the NES controllers had to have a shift-register in the controller to send the serial signals; Master System and Genesis controllers didn't, which is why they're very simple circuit-wise, the pins mapped directly to the buttons.
Yeah, I was hoping that this console implemented the controller interface differently.
Yes, the 6516 is a 16KB static RAM chip. in the NES, each CPU had one to work with.
I still have mine today, working perfectly, my late father gave it to me.
Dude, I'm Brazilian and this is just the tip of the iceberg. =)
Just a funfact about Brazil in the analog TV and eletricity stantards. In both contexts Brazil got their technology both from USA and Europe, so some parts of Brazil, mainly the southeast region is 120v, but the major part of Brazil is 240v. The same with analog TV, we are the only contry in the world that use a standard called PAL-M, that besides what the name implies, isn't a PAL sub-standard but a NTSC one let me explain better:
When the black and white television started on Brazil, we bought the equipament from USA, so it was expected that all our TVs would be NTSC as well. But when the color TV started we got the equipament from Europe, so because of that we have the PAL-M, a standard that is signal compatible with NTSC, being basically the same scanlines size, and signal clock, but color compatible with PAL, so the color signal and color clock, this was a thing that got so much problem to Brazil, that was common TVs have a option in the menu for you to to choose to put the signal in true NTSC, or the Southern America PAL Standard that was PAL-N, and was a real PAL Standard, and not a hybrid standard like PAL-M
Only Brazilians will understand how impressive is to have a working CCE product after so many years...
pr3...I don't think only Brazilians would find it extraordinary...any console still working after 30 odd years whether it's Japanese or British or American North or South...boards need replaced capacitors at least...I've got a GameGear that had its capacitors replaced and the original screen too...and the screens failed again...family member sold 2 SuperNES consoles last year they will fail like the 2 dead SNES boards I had already...or was it 3 dead? I lost count...I have one left that still works...now that's impressive
Welcome back Eric! :)
1:35 That’s a TK2000. It’s in fact a clone of the Chinese MicroProfessor Computer. It would run Apple II games but only if they were rewritten to it, as memory allocation maps were different.
That's what we call a masterpiece! Thank you for spreading Brazilian hack culture to the world, Eric! I've heard countless stories from my dad about how things like video games and computers had to be built during a time when Brazilians couldn't import electronics from abroad.
That was my childhood console. I donated it in a Christmas because it was in bad shape, but I need to buy another one just for the nostalgia.
Oh, and a small correction, most brazilian cities use 220V/60Hz, 110 is used only in some capitals that had older power planta from US that used this voltage. Nowadays it is all 220V, converted to 110 for those cities.
that's the reason we don't have 110V anymore, but 127V instead.
Gradiente(in 93 begins to publisher Nintendo oficial games and console on Brasil), Dynavision and CCE they are companies make Famiclones on Brasil!
7:44 Ah, the classic Famiclone syndrome: Out of the 5 sound channels, at least 2 must be swapped (Hear the coin sound or just the stage tune and you'll know)
Also, since NES gamepads and Sega gamepads interface with the console completely differently (NES: basically shift register sending all button values down one wire; Sega: Chip select + one other pin meaning one button press), even if they have the same pins at the plug, don't expect them to just be cross compatible.
I thought that maybe they have wired the controller similar to Sega ones since they are using those connectors.
I had a CCE’s SuperGame Atari clone. I think it had a good design, and the joysticks were more ergonomic than Atari’s. But in the other side the console had hardware quality issues. I remember my family had to send it more than one time to the technical assistance to get it functioning… just to go broke some time again.
Welcome back brother.
I still have a Phantom System, the best 72 pins clone, and a dual slot named Dynavision 3 with both 60 and 72 pins.
Hi! Awesome video. Would it be possible to get a link to the DB9 NES Clone to NES controller adapter?
I have been searching for quite a while. Thanks.
Some observations.
That is a NTSC based clone. The NTSC NES runs at 1.79 Mhz, and the PAL NES runs at 1.66 Mhz, a 17% difference. When you run PAL games, they will run and the music will play 1.7x faster than they would if using PAL hardware. If it was a PAL based clone, NTSC games would run 1.7x slower than they should.
When in 1987 the Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturer UMC made the first clone chips of the Ricoh 2A03 CPU and 2C02 PPU they called "UA6527" and "UA6528", human error crept in. These copy chips do not correctly produce valid YUV color values, do not run all CPU cycles correctly and the pulse wave duty cycles for the square waves that make up the lead instruments in NES music have their duty cycles reversed. This is very notable in Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3 when coins are collected, the pitch is wrong.
Unfrotunetely, since the world of bootlegs have no quality control, nearly every clone of the Famicom hardware right to this day carries the same mistakes UMC made in 1987. Hop on aliexpress and unless you buy an FPGA or else emulation based clone, you'll get modern clones with the very same flaws this and every other Famiclone have had since 1987.
The good news is that that clones of this age use motherboards that are 1:1 compatible with the real Ricoh chips. You could desolder and discard those UMC clones and replace them with the CPU and PPU from a real NES, turning that clone into effectively a real NES without any of the errors.
It might be worth thinking about, especially if you can find a cosmetically damaged or otherwise non-working NES.
This console, being Brazilian, is PAL-M, which runs at 60hz.
PAL-M is a bit weird and it's exclusive to some South American countries I think, mainly Brazil.
@@TheEricExperiment I understand what you are saying. Although this clone may be designated PAL, what I'm telling you is those clone CPU and PPU were made in Taiwan by UMC and are very much NTSC, not PAL at all. That clone has an NTSC CPU and NTSC PPU. The only thing PAL about that clone is the power supply to fit the market it was sold in. It's still an NTSC clone.
Also, the reason Master System, Megadrive, Atari etc controllers will not work this or any other NES clone is due to the difference in controller protocol. The DB-9 standard came from one pin being an input, like up, down, and fire. But the NES works off a 4021 shift register that pulses the signals like a matrix, the same way a keyboard works. This is true for clones too. They went with DB-9 connectors simply because they were far cheaper than the specific shaped connectors the real NES hardware used. In other words, although the plugs are shaped like DB-9 connectors, they are not. Any controllers designed for standard DB-9 will never work. Also Megadrive/Genesis controllers use a multiplexer circuit. Depending on the input, you could be applying +5v across a pin that wasn't ever intended and burn it out. Its highly advisable you don't attempt such a thing with these clones.
@@SatoshiMatrix1It's not about the power supply. Brazil uses 60hz. The Brazilian PAL-M system is basically NTSC using the PAL color carrier frequency, so what the console actually most likely does is just convert the generated NTSC signal to PAL-M.
This was my first console. Good times.
They are very common in South America
Do you realize that this thumbnail is an eye-catcher for Brazilians, right?
I realized that after I posted it! Hahaha
We Brazilians love your channel !😊
Good video. Subbed. You could do a whole series on cloned consoles.
I have a few more and I'll do videos about them eventually. But I don't have enough to do a whole series. Getting these things from Brazil is kinda hard unless I visit or someone comes visit
I'm aware Brazil had dozens of clones for the NES, but the most famous for me was the Polystation, kind of a prank clone. The box is based off the N64 one, the console uses the shell of the small PS1 version, and when you open the lid, youre greeted by a Famicom cartridge input, instead of a CD reader.
Many kids that begged for a PS1 for their parents got this instead.
Polystation was really famous, but I dont think that was a legit Brazilian clone, since it was made in China. 90's CCE, Gradiente and Dismac clones, for instance, was totally designed in Brazil, what I think its awesome
@ygorventura yes, in that case, it's a different idea
I think Polystation goes into the bootleg section, thinking about it, as it was total false advertisement, while turbo game admits to be an 8-bit console.
Theres lots of nes clones with dual cartridge slots. Dendy, Pegasus etc.
One of best I have (at moment broken/needs fix) is pegasus with both 60 and 72 pin slot :)
First video I've seen of yours. Saw the intro hit subscribe.
O console NES mais amado pelos Brasileiros é o TURBO GAME e o PHANTON SYSTEM.
Adoro onturbo game, fez parte da minha vida!!! Hoje tenho 2 turbo games
It looks *exactly* like the "Knock-Off Generic EVR-9000" console model that's in the virtual reality retro game room simulator EmuVR. It can't be just a coincidence.
True! Hahhaha I hadn't noticed it before!
I'd probably mod it to flip the NES contacts backwards so you can see the NES label from the front while playing!
That'd be tough, the cartridge is probably like that because they couldn't route the traces on the motherboard to face the opposite way.
11:02 the controller pins are soldered in a specific way. I bet a c64 or Amiga controller works
My childhood console was a Dynavision 3, a famiclone, pretty much like turbo game, with 2 cart slots.
Love those brazilian clones from the 80s - I used to have TK90 and TK95 ZX Spectrum clones which are some of the best clones with high integration, with PAL-M/N specific modifications.
I have a tk-90 and a tk-90x, I'll make videos about them eventually.
I had one of those, with the inverted moon controller.
I've never had a Turbo Game but my two Dynavision 3 consoles (which also have dual slots) still work well after all this time. The Brazilian "fauna" of clones in the 1980s and 1990s is fascinating. What I consider the most curious is the Onyx Junior, an Atari 2600 clone with pause button.
CCE was also jokingly known as "Começou Comprando Errado" (You bought wrong from the beginning) or "Conserta, Conserta, Estraga" (Fix it, Fix it, It breaks). This one I don't know how to properly translate to English, hehe
MetalJesusRocks already showed this console in a bunch of his videos intros, like… 6? Years ago?
Can you imagine putting the tome and effort into making this guy into an emulator to download online like an Nt4, GameCube, Gb, GBC, Advance, DS/3/2d emulator?
They’d probably tell you how theres probably a dev console, but that may very likely not exist anymore, cause to get this things model number, firmware, all other sorts of code variables needed to apply to an emulator
Woah good channel find!
Lucky nothing was damaged by putting the cartridges in backward. What a strange design!
Right? When I realized I was putting it in wrong I nearly had a heart attack.
with hdmi vga and composite inputs that monitor is so versatile!
did u already cover the dynavision family another nes brazilian clone with 2 cartridge slots ?
i had a dynavision 3 back in the day
I do own a Turbo Game and I am Brazilian. The DB-9 controller pinout isn't the same as all other DB-9 consoles, including some famiclones from Taiwan. It's very dangerous to try to use other DB-9 joypads or accessories from other consoles, because they can short the 5V pin and fry your console. Buy another controller adapter from you bought the first one. Turbo Game original gamepads are getting more expensive than the console itself, they are very difficult to find. Thank you for your review and video. By the way, the best built famiclone from Brazil is the Phantom System. Phantom System gamepads are compatible with Turbo Game, oddly enough.
Canal e video incríveis. Me increvi pra acompanhar. Sucesso!
What's that cool CRT-looking mini monitor? Is it a custom? I want this! :D
Danm your videos are pretty poggers brother
"This is an NES"
"Noo!"
"There's more"
"Dear God..."
Sorry, couldn't help my self. Carry on, good job.
That monitor is beautiful ! Where did you get it ?
This VG-9000 was the console from my young age...
that was very interesting. Thanks for the video!
I had a Top Game back in the day the first model, the controller was terrible, my dad had a Tk-3000 apple II clone, my first original console was a mega drive from tec toy, and after that we got more normal with playtronic snes and my dad also got an original msx from gradiente and later an imported amiga 1200 anyway great channel, saudações cariocas da irlanda!
Says the SMB cart seems to be working fine, can hear the reversed sound channel glitch...
Faltou a sopradinha na fitinha dos cavaleiros!!! E colocar errado os cartuchos erro bem comum até para nos na época!! E deu sorte de colocar outros controles e não queimar a entrada de controles!! As vezes acontece!!! Parabéns pelo vídeo abraço
I had one of these and the joystick was terrible... but I still could play Japanese games! Bons tempos..
I really enjoyed this video - I have one question : - why was the NES pad in a food bag?
I keep all the stuff with wires in kallax drawers and having them separated in bags make them easier to find and the wires don't get tangled.
I have drawers for controllers, console cables, computer cables and so on.
Dude, famiclones use theirs standard for DB9 controlers.
So all of them are compatible between all famiclones.
To power your famiclone, and you do not want to use the build in transformer, just power it like any standard console with external power supply. It is very strange regulation in Brazil that all your consoles must have internal transformer (Atari, Sega, Nintendo, and even pong consoles)
You should maybe address that running pal mario in 60hz will run faster than normal. You can even hear it on the music :)
The control of this video Game is a control of Mega drive(genesis) in up side down hahahaha
nice video. I know Brazil was the wild west when it came to clones.
I have one. From São Paulo/Brazil.
Have you tried to use its own controller (without breaking it)? So, I had this one and I also had the adapters for US -> JP and JP -> US just in case for slot malfunction. Had a lot of fun with it. The main problems were: it breaks a lot, overheat easily, and breaks a lot. Have you tried the Phantom System?
No, I nerd to get one.
love myself some famiclones!
i dont know you guys notice but sound feels like faster and different than actual one
For Super Mario Bros 3? Yeah, running a 50 hz game on 60hz would cause that.
@@TheEricExperiment its also happen on super mario 1 too
CCE aqui no Brasil é ......
Comecei
Comprando
Errado
Isso é uma "sátira" nossa aqui no brasil, más é uma ótima marca de produto eletrônico.
Why would Nintendo's lawyers raise a shit-fit over an NES clone in 2024? Nintendo hasn't made the console in decades, their patent on the hardware has long since expired, and there's no money to be made from it anymore. As early as 2004-2005, I saw NES clones sold in stores. Game Informer even did an article on some gaming products and they touched on these clone consoles. By then, it was already fair game.
A few things, pal games are too fast being played at NTSC speed instead of having the ability to switch between modes. The audio isn't perfect, like most cloned NES chips. Still, if this was your only point of reference you wouldn't notice the sound. Kinda neat to have the option to play all games on one machine.
This company, CCE, had a very bad reputation here in Brazil. By the way, I have this console!