5:40 Me in the dark, turning all the lights almost completely off not to get blinded by all those and actually be able to see at least something outside, Cap: "Hold my beer, I'm sitting in a byouuudeeful christmas tree!"
Hey CAP, great effort. Although, you did some mistakes that didn't help you for the Marshal holding. When you set the radial 160, you should actually set a course of 340. Because it s the next inbound course you ll follow to the carrier. It complicates your life too cuz then you are outbound when you reach your EAT and need to turn back, re-intercept and so on. Also, you need to reach the Marshall fix at a precise timing to commence the approach. It s not guesswork, you can help yourself with simple rules. Rule of thumb you can use is your Mach number... At 250kts, and at the altitude you had, you were doing M 0.42 so more or less, 4.2Nm per minute. If you are 7 NM from the fix, you need 1'45" to get there (roughly) this will help you to get more precise with your timings. In civil aviation, we do 1' holdings, meaning that the turns and the in/out bound legs are 1'. Here, the legs are 2' but the turns are still 1' so, you turn with "rate 1". Meaning that you need 1' to accomplish 180deg (3 deg a second). To know the bank you need, use this formula: (TAS/10)+7. So at 250 kts IAS (let's pretend here IAS equals TAS just for the example), you need 25+7=32 degrees of bank. If you wanna know your TAS, another rule of thumb is IAS+(fl/2). So, flying at 250kts at fl140, it's gonna be 250+70= 320kts TAS.... Try to use these rules of thumbs for your IFR Work, it will make your life easy...
@@grimreapers yes, a well deserved rest. I guess, with this module, it's easy to be carried away ;) I ll see that too tomorrow I hope... Thanks for putting soo much contents.. BR, Vixen
Woooho, worked like a charm. Did my first Case III now with a grade C thanks to this video. While the marshall stack initially seems like black magic, it really isn’t that hard. Thanks Reapers.
Proper procedure would be to keep at 1200 feet until glideslope needle comes down to you, being already trimmed on speed. Then with the glide slope needle centering VVI, reduce throttle to a small descent following the needle going down, keeping it centered. Excellent sceond try tough !
A very good and serious instruction video!!! I am just thinking how the h...… anyone can remember all that and still concentrate on flying the plane. For many hours to come I will need that picture on the desk in front of me (and still be able to mess it up). Some of the more difficult - you showed that - is to keep compensating for the forward movement of the boat, which will make it look as if you are drifting left. So fly straight and drift right ;-)
Well done on that tutorial. You make it look easier then it really is.. would like to see that push time tightened up though.. Thanks for the videos, keep em coming.
I did this for many years from CATCC's side, it was awesome to get an idea of what the pilot is going through during Case III! Let me know if you want some in-depth Case III training!
I have a question: What would happen if you have a bunch of planes to land and a lot of bolters? Do you have to hold up the stack? How does that work? If someone is commencing every 60 seconds That does not leave much time for bolters and waveoffs.
@ChadGatling you basically put them on a long downwind and sequence them into the stack when you can. Procedures allow for 30-second separation when necessary although we rarely did that. Usually it's just back of the line for the bolters.
@ChadGatling in theory you can keep it going forever, depending on airspace constraints. Carrier ops launch aircraft in mission packages all at once so you're dealing with a number of aircraft returning all at once (I'm actually not sure how specific I'm able to get about this, but it's a typical number of aircraft launched at a set time interval). With that, we marshal the entire mission stack and bring them in one after the other. The goal is to get them on deck as fast as possible, you don't want to keep the boat going straight for too long (although they like to turn anyways... which is annoying).
2 minute 180° turn=120 seconds for 180° of turn, so 60 sec for 90°, 30 sec for 45°, 10 sec for 15°, 1 sec=1.5°, 1.5°/sec, 3°/2 sec. Gauge with constant monitoring. There's perhaps a more accurate angle calculation that someone could input with bank angle at a given airspeed, like a pilot, but that will work for me. Thanks, CAP! I always look for your videos to help learn these systems and procedures.
The reason the hold is 1NM further away each 1000' is to guarantee that everyone fly the same glide path. But for it to work you have to wait to your distance fix before commencing the descent, otherwise you will descent through the holding area of the guys underneath you!
In aviation when doing instrument approaches turns are standard Rate 1 turns at 3 deg per second... to turn 180 deg in 120 seconds its 1.5 deg per second (half normal rate 1 turn).
Is the Marshall Stack not just flown at a Standard Rate-1 Turn as you would do in a normal civilian holding pattern? If that is the case, the TAS (in knots) divided by 10 plus 7 should give you the bank angle. Thus at 250 we are looking at 32 degrees. That will given a 360 degree turn in 2 minutes. Also, does the HUD not have a Turn Rate Indicator (three little blocks next to each other)?
Super cap, if I may correct something, the pattern you made was wrong. You have to make a standard rate turn (3 degrees per second) to the left which takes 1 minute to make 180°, you don't stop and fly one minute 90° off. So you just turn in a standard rate for one minute, then fly two minutes, then make another standard turn for one minute and then fly another two minutes to the fix point and start over. Hope it helps. Certified IFR pilot here :)
Not just that, it should even be another 30° off, as shown here: ruclips.net/video/DvlMHnLjbDQ/видео.html So if the BRC is 000, you set up your marshal stack at 210 and when commencing, you'd fly that arc to intercept radial 350 to be right on the localizer at 10. I wonder why the manual doesn't even have this in at all though.
Can you do a video of case 3 in the Harrier? I tried it but all the calls didn't match the Tarawa or a vertical landing. All the calls were for the Supercarrier, not the Tarawa? Great video, thanks!
@@grimreapers yes, I did a mission at dusk, returned to Tarawa in darkness. ATC gave a case 3 approach. Marshall at 21 mike's at 6000' . I did the replies down to five thousand feet. After that, ATC gave "slow", "left" and "foul deck wave off"? There were a couple static harriers parked? I'm not really sure if it's the Supercarrier calls that are being used for Tarawa? Thought you guys could check it out, since I'm terrible at landing the Harrier! My old Saitek is knackered.....(bit like me).
CAP, if you look at the Standby attitude reference indicator (SARI) the is a ball between to lines and just below that you see a white and black dashed line, then below that is a white pointer. If you make a turn and put the white pointer at the bottom on the black dash to the left/right will get you a 2 min turn.
this is so much to take in but I guess it gets easier with practise. Too bad not many servers have night time, so this will probably be mostly single player stuff for me.
I'm running the base install / caucasus / dcs world ver 2.7.2.8165.2. I've set up a mission with the F18c and supercarrier, adding the 'advanced waypoint - commands' for the carrier to set the ILS to ch 11, and the TACAN to ch 71. The weather is set to "clear" (actually I have selected the 'none' / bare sky) I set the mission to run at time 23:00 which is triggering a "recovery III" I start the mission, and set the tacan and ICLS channels in the jet. I do the radio "inbound" ,,, get vectored to the stack ..... hold for the appropriate time, exit and approach the carrier at 1200 agl. I've "boxed" the TCN and ILS settings in the HSI. I'm within 10nm and have caled "see you at 10" My hud is NOT displaying the ICLS symbology. It IS displaying the TACAN symbology I *did* hear the "bullseye" call during one run, but I can't remember if I was seeing the ICLS symbology What am I missing ? **** Is there a way to fly a "recovery III" operation in daytime / clear weather ? Mike
Thats not set in stone, will depend on how long it takes to make the build and upload it to the servers, prepare the servers and hit the go button. I'd say expect 12-19gmt.
What does "two ships" mean in this sentence? If a two-ship checks in during CASE III, the aircraft that intends to land first should have their side number read first. Thats just a fancy way of saying 2 different aircrafts?
@@GuillermoTs It is nothing special to be the first dude. I know that. If you don't like people saying that, ignore it you can"t change it, there will always be somebody wjo is the first.
The two minute turn is flown using the ADI, which on the hornet will show a standard 2 minute turn when the box on the bottom is under one of the side boxes
As much as I love VR I may have to whip out the TrackIR. The immersion especially in warbirds and helis is incredible but for instrument work or any display usage is dam near impossible. You can forgive the blurries and lack of detail for memorized actions but for carrier/instrument work it's just to frustrating.
Wags does a 30 degree turn making it 1:30 turn. He also holds a ground speed because it seems to be more accurate to wind conditions. my reference: ruclips.net/video/n4d92zwyb04/видео.html
We all have to put pressure on ED and all the module developers to develop for following aircraft: Dassault Mirage III F-8 Crusader F-14D Super Tomcat F-100 Super Saber A-7 Corsair II F-3 Tornado ADV
Amazing videos as always. Question, I ordered it on re order and its not showing up in my install list. Any ideas? I've asked ED but no reply. Thankyou as always
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5:40 Me in the dark, turning all the lights almost completely off not to get blinded by all those and actually be able to see at least something outside, Cap: "Hold my beer, I'm sitting in a byouuudeeful christmas tree!"
Hey CAP, great effort. Although, you did some mistakes that didn't help you for the Marshal holding.
When you set the radial 160, you should actually set a course of 340. Because it s the next inbound course you ll follow to the carrier. It complicates your life too cuz then you are outbound when you reach your EAT and need to turn back, re-intercept and so on.
Also, you need to reach the Marshall fix at a precise timing to commence the approach. It s not guesswork, you can help yourself with simple rules.
Rule of thumb you can use is your Mach number... At 250kts, and at the altitude you had, you were doing M 0.42 so more or less, 4.2Nm per minute. If you are 7 NM from the fix, you need 1'45" to get there (roughly) this will help you to get more precise with your timings.
In civil aviation, we do 1' holdings, meaning that the turns and the in/out bound legs are 1'. Here, the legs are 2' but the turns are still 1' so, you turn with "rate 1". Meaning that you need 1' to accomplish 180deg (3 deg a second). To know the bank you need, use this formula: (TAS/10)+7. So at 250 kts IAS (let's pretend here IAS equals TAS just for the example), you need 25+7=32 degrees of bank.
If you wanna know your TAS, another rule of thumb is IAS+(fl/2). So, flying at 250kts at fl140, it's gonna be 250+70= 320kts TAS....
Try to use these rules of thumbs for your IFR Work, it will make your life easy...
Yup point noted: Will redo this, but gunna have a break from carrier ops first as I'm pretty burnt out.
@@grimreapers yes, a well deserved rest. I guess, with this module, it's easy to be carried away ;) I ll see that too tomorrow I hope... Thanks for putting soo much contents..
BR,
Vixen
@@ogerlionel374 carried away
i love you and i hate you
Woooho, worked like a charm. Did my first Case III now with a grade C thanks to this video. While the marshall stack initially seems like black magic, it really isn’t that hard. Thanks Reapers.
That was a very stressful job and you pulled it off quite nicely.
Correct glide scope with throttle, not trim
*slope
He had auto throttle control
You're on autothrottle in the F-18 on carrier approach.
Proper procedure would be to keep at 1200 feet until glideslope needle comes down to you, being already trimmed on speed. Then with the glide slope needle centering VVI, reduce throttle to a small descent following the needle going down, keeping it centered. Excellent sceond try tough !
i am just flying straight in, exit and load the next mission :P
A very good and serious instruction video!!! I am just thinking how the h...… anyone can remember all that and still concentrate on flying the plane. For many hours to come I will need that picture on the desk in front of me (and still be able to mess it up). Some of the more difficult - you showed that - is to keep compensating for the forward movement of the boat, which will make it look as if you are drifting left. So fly straight and drift right ;-)
Well done on that tutorial. You make it look easier then it really is.. would like to see that push time tightened up though.. Thanks for the videos, keep em coming.
I did this for many years from CATCC's side, it was awesome to get an idea of what the pilot is going through during Case III! Let me know if you want some in-depth Case III training!
Hi Jackson please join our Discord and come training with us? discord.gg/cATmE3d
I have a question: What would happen if you have a bunch of planes to land and a lot of bolters? Do you have to hold up the stack? How does that work? If someone is commencing every 60 seconds That does not leave much time for bolters and waveoffs.
@ChadGatling you basically put them on a long downwind and sequence them into the stack when you can. Procedures allow for 30-second separation when necessary although we rarely did that. Usually it's just back of the line for the bolters.
@@jacksonbrown6199 ahh interesting. So how many flights can be on the same stack level? For either case?
@ChadGatling in theory you can keep it going forever, depending on airspace constraints. Carrier ops launch aircraft in mission packages all at once so you're dealing with a number of aircraft returning all at once (I'm actually not sure how specific I'm able to get about this, but it's a typical number of aircraft launched at a set time interval).
With that, we marshal the entire mission stack and bring them in one after the other. The goal is to get them on deck as fast as possible, you don't want to keep the boat going straight for too long (although they like to turn anyways... which is annoying).
Thanks a lot from France for this tutorial.
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2 minute 180° turn=120 seconds for 180° of turn, so 60 sec for 90°, 30 sec for 45°, 10 sec for 15°, 1 sec=1.5°, 1.5°/sec, 3°/2 sec. Gauge with constant monitoring. There's perhaps a more accurate angle calculation that someone could input with bank angle at a given airspeed, like a pilot, but that will work for me.
Thanks, CAP! I always look for your videos to help learn these systems and procedures.
can i not just divide the airspeed by 10 and add one-half the result
so 250:10=25
25:2= 12,5
so
25+12,5= 37,5°
I think you need to re do this CAP! A LOT of corrections required!
Its honestly quite Bad.
In fairness his Tutorials are usually superb! Just putting it down to Supercarrier "pre release" Burnout!
The reason the hold is 1NM further away each 1000' is to guarantee that everyone fly the same glide path. But for it to work you have to wait to your distance fix before commencing the descent, otherwise you will descent through the holding area of the guys underneath you!
Great stuff as I’m just learning.
Excellent video. Very clear and detailed. Thank you Jon ! Kind regards, Nick
Thanks Nick! Looks like I made an error with the stack, will revise when I get a chance. Best.
hi cap... for 2 min turn see the fa 18 manual for standby attitude reference indicator (SARI)
Hey Cap, with voice attack will help for sure!!!
Regards
Thanks for all the Vids over various aircraft and systems all appreciated! By the way this isn`t Jon W from the RAFv days is it?
thx. Neg
@@grimreapers no worries,sounded very similar lol
Once approach/paddles tell you to fly bulls and mode 2 etc - would've been nice if you had also explained what that is, Cap :-)
18 May 2020 - a great day - the day my son was born
Hey LB :)
@@grimreapers Hey Cap 👋
What happen at 10:25? Lost?
In aviation when doing instrument approaches turns are standard Rate 1 turns at 3 deg per second... to turn 180 deg in 120 seconds its 1.5 deg per second (half normal rate 1 turn).
Is the Marshall Stack not just flown at a Standard Rate-1 Turn as you would do in a normal civilian holding pattern? If that is the case, the TAS (in knots) divided by 10 plus 7 should give you the bank angle. Thus at 250 we are looking at 32 degrees. That will given a 360 degree turn in 2 minutes. Also, does the HUD not have a Turn Rate Indicator (three little blocks next to each other)?
Well done, Cap. Appreciate the quick tutorial as always. Perfect info to help keep this video game fun. Ignore the simhead tryhards.
to calculate bank anhle you need to divide the true airspeed by 10 and add one-half the result
Nice Demo, thanks CAP
Super cap, if I may correct something, the pattern you made was wrong. You have to make a standard rate turn (3 degrees per second) to the left which takes 1 minute to make 180°, you don't stop and fly one minute 90° off. So you just turn in a standard rate for one minute, then fly two minutes, then make another standard turn for one minute and then fly another two minutes to the fix point and start over. Hope it helps. Certified IFR pilot here :)
Thanks!!
Surely the upwind leg should be on the radial - not the downwind leg? (as per the diagram "Theory" section)
Not just that, it should even be another 30° off, as shown here:
ruclips.net/video/DvlMHnLjbDQ/видео.html
So if the BRC is 000, you set up your marshal stack at 210 and when commencing, you'd fly that arc to intercept radial 350 to be right on the localizer at 10. I wonder why the manual doesn't even have this in at all though.
Great landing. Tried case III myself today and forgot to “check in” and it messed up the rest of the communication. Nice to learn from you.
the great content you make but only have 100k were grateful for the effort you put into these videos thank you
thx
Can you do a video of case 3 in the Harrier? I tried it but all the calls didn't match the Tarawa or a vertical landing. All the calls were for the Supercarrier, not the Tarawa? Great video, thanks!
I didn't realise Harrier case 3 was working?
@@grimreapers yes, I did a mission at dusk, returned to Tarawa in darkness. ATC gave a case 3 approach. Marshall at 21 mike's at 6000' . I did the replies down to five thousand feet. After that, ATC gave "slow", "left" and "foul deck wave off"? There were a couple static harriers parked? I'm not really sure if it's the Supercarrier calls that are being used for Tarawa? Thought you guys could check it out, since I'm terrible at landing the Harrier! My old Saitek is knackered.....(bit like me).
Cap is a smart cookie! Very well done cap. complicated tasks handled w vague professionalism🤣 just kidding cap!! Much respect sir.
Vague is my middle name
Do you have to manually select/change from TACAN to the ILS frequency to get the glideslope needles?..thanks
Neg, you can have both on. Just back sure you have checked the TACAN and ILS boxes in the HSI screen for them to show.
@@grimreapers Thanks, appreciate all the effort that you put in here> It really helps
CAP, if you look at the Standby attitude reference indicator (SARI) the is a ball between to lines and just below that you see a white and black dashed line, then below that is a white pointer. If you make a turn and put the white pointer at the bottom on the black dash to the left/right will get you a 2 min turn.
Thanks will redo this soon.
this is so much to take in but I guess it gets easier with practise. Too bad not many servers have night time, so this will probably be mostly single player stuff for me.
Roger, im still learning it TBH.
I'm running the base install / caucasus / dcs world ver 2.7.2.8165.2.
I've set up a mission with the F18c and supercarrier,
adding the 'advanced waypoint - commands' for the carrier
to set the ILS to ch 11, and the TACAN to ch 71.
The weather is set to "clear" (actually I have selected the 'none' / bare sky)
I set the mission to run at time 23:00 which is triggering a "recovery III"
I start the mission, and set the tacan and ICLS channels in the jet.
I do the radio "inbound" ,,, get vectored to the stack
..... hold for the appropriate time, exit and approach
the carrier at 1200 agl.
I've "boxed" the TCN and ILS settings in the HSI.
I'm within 10nm and have caled "see you at 10"
My hud is NOT displaying the ICLS symbology.
It IS displaying the TACAN symbology
I *did* hear the "bullseye" call during one run, but I can't remember
if I was seeing the ICLS symbology
What am I missing ?
****
Is there a way to fly a "recovery III" operation in
daytime / clear weather ?
Mike
He makes it look so easy.
Good NIke Pilot!
SUPER 👌
Nice work!
Wagner uses 30deg for his turns at least in case 1.
Can you add this video to your F/A-18C tutorials playlist please? Thank you :)
Thx for the epic vids stay safe. If you know the strikers what are your views on them
Am I wrong or did you fly your hypodrome on the starboard of the radial ? according to the natops drawing, you should fly it on port side...
So so COOL
Hello Cap. I know the SC will drop on 20th May but do you know which hour? thanks
Thats not set in stone, will depend on how long it takes to make the build and upload it to the servers, prepare the servers and hit the go button. I'd say expect 12-19gmt.
Since the devs are in Russia we should get it pretty early
If you have the Steam version it will be 19:00 CET
What does "two ships" mean in this sentence? If a two-ship checks in during CASE III, the aircraft that intends to land first should have their side number read first. Thats just a fancy way of saying 2 different aircrafts?
Two planes in a flight
Oleeeeee
@@GuillermoTs It is nothing special to be the first dude. I know that. If you don't like people saying that, ignore it you can"t change it, there will always be somebody wjo is the first.
@@GuillermoTs And I just deleted my comment because "it is soooo stupid:
@@GuillermoTs Just remember, If your not first your last
Shake n bake.....
The two minute turn is flown using the ADI, which on the hornet will show a standard 2 minute turn when the box on the bottom is under one of the side boxes
19:38 master not on safe... Tut Tut. Buy the flight a round.
6 miles to get dirty not 10
As much as I love VR I may have to whip out the TrackIR.
The immersion especially in warbirds and helis is incredible but for instrument work or any display usage is dam near impossible.
You can forgive the blurries and lack of detail for memorized actions but for carrier/instrument work it's just to frustrating.
Wags does a 30 degree turn making it 1:30 turn. He also holds a ground speed because it seems to be more accurate to wind conditions. my reference: ruclips.net/video/n4d92zwyb04/видео.html
Thanks!
Jesus so technical... im lost
We all have to put pressure on ED and all the module developers to develop for following aircraft:
Dassault Mirage III
F-8 Crusader
F-14D Super Tomcat
F-100 Super Saber
A-7 Corsair II
F-3 Tornado ADV
nice list
Amazing videos as always. Question, I ordered it on re order and its not showing up in my install list. Any ideas? I've asked ED but no reply. Thankyou as always
Too hard to diagnose over this message. Join our discord and ask in Public Text or Training server voice. Some1 will sort it for you.
@@grimreapers thankyou, turned out I was just being a moron and trying to use the stable version of dcs as opposed to the beta, thankyou anyway