Rudi Andre Frank he does and would. He said he would never button hook like that. The way the wall brace interferes with his entry caused him to alter his entry.
Navy "Barrels up so we don't drown" 101st "Barrels down so we don't crash & Burn" Marines "Mags out, fix bayonets! You can be replaced but Helos and ships are expensive!"
LMAO, funny but true, as a Recon Marine, were always grilled about the cost of everything, but in places like mid east, high port was more effective, death came from upper staircases or shooting ports in the ceiling.
the best way to enter a room is to running jump around the corner while looking sideways. its called peekers advantage and it helps keep your kdr higher than 1.
I like to enter first with a thermal detonator just to knock 'em off balance followed by thermal imploder then a TL50 secondary barrage before engaging personal shield and sweeping the corners at my leisure but... I suppose this works too...
@Tane Rameka i just use the most honorable way of killing, from my office in LA while i fly my $3.5 million drone and rain hell fire on the unsuspecting victims in cowboy hats and flip flops that are just trying to get frisky with their favorite goat.
@@It-b-Blair That's why we have to watch it, and train. The best we can, even if it's just knowing how to defend our house and nothing else. If the shtf, there will be plenty of muscled up gun experts with no conscience. Because though I'm sure not many of us on this channel are a fan of leftist's views, there really are a lot of hyper-aggressive, racist, gun loving, people-indifferent potential bad guys on the right. If shtf, if you've ever seen the walking dead, the Negans of that world will be people who may have spent thousands of dollars and hours honing these crafts. We can only be ready to do our best and hope not to draw the attention of the better trained.
I know this is about high port low port but the biggest take away for me was how even though they have their guns unloaded I didn’t see those barrels ever point in an unsafe direction. Not even once even during conversation.
Being that I was in the army and always taught the low ready, this was eye opening. It makes so much sense seeing it like this. Great video guys, thanks for this
i had a TL years ago that went through a CQB course taught by SEALs. He came back teaching these methods, and now 10 years later, as im teaching these same methods to my TLs and lower joes, im still getting yelled at for not being at low port. Army needs an Update.
Crazy how they teach us low port in the Infantry thinking we’re learning from the best. Looking at this video shows how there’s better methods out there just baffles me.
Right on! When my daughters were around 4 we used to stack on their bedroom door to clear their room before bedtime. No issues with monsters under the bed on those nights!!!
Just to add a little bit of clarity, I went through SFARTAETC back in 1996, where we were taught both High and Low Port. We used both during the flat range portion and it was required that the 3 & 4 man in the stack, use high port. When I got to the CIF, and I went to high port, they said "we don't do that here" and the main reason was "safety" because of the folks on the catwalk. I use both, teach both and believe both have their place. Great vid and thanks putting out some good info.
@@boatdriver9533 Makes sense. There was a lot more integration in the beginning. I didn't realize it, but there were Army Special Forces medics in ST6 back in the day too.
@William Vagabond I recommend knowing both, so yes, get out there and learn the benefits of high ready, but don't discard low ready. I use both, teach both and believe both have their place. It's up to you, to find out which one works best in different situations. I recommend using a timer on the flat range, but then try working different scenarios doing some barricade and room clearing.
As a gamer I have no knowledge of stacked entry but do u guys ever peak your head or a body part in a corner for a split second before entry against prepared defenders? I ask because in games defenders will be aiming down sights and fire at any motion they see and will always have the split second advantage against attackers.
@@LRRPFco52 Wow thanks for the in depth answer now I feel supid for asking that question. The military has access to so much more than the contents of my games
During early OIF, we Marines we always entering via Low-Port but we had M16s and not M4s. We did learn, in combat, that the “90s SWAT team flood” wasn’t the best way to fight against a prepared enemy with machine guns. We started fighting from outside open doorways by pieing.
@@ryean1_aus flash bang's.. they actually gave us some on me second deployment. Issues were reported of them going off unprimed so they pulled them out of the field.
If time is on your side (aka you don't have to do this fast), pieing it out is the way to go if you have to clear a room. Otherwise your risk of being shot by an enemy combatant already expecting an entry is very high even with speed. For home defense, unless you have to move out of your Alamo (aka the room with the fire arms), your better off being the guy waiting in the cut for the intruder! You know your home, the intruder likely does not, use the terrain (building) to your advantage.
@3:43 - shows you how humble and honest they are - no matter the hours they have and all the experience they have they're still humble enough to admit, learn, and execute. Thank you Shawn and Mike from one vet to another... God Bless and thank you
All of you guys who have done this in a real CQB scenario - I can't imagine what that is like - but I get a knot in my belly thinking about it. Hats off to you all!
I would think the reason they keep their emotions in check & flow thru some of the most challenging situations is due to not thinking as much but instead relying on muscle memory, all the hard work they put in during training would make running thru many challenges almost second nature, only making adjustments as needed in fractions of a second that have also been thought of as plan “B”, “C”, ect
Gotta keep in mind these guys get the best & most extensive training, they are literally killing machines which is part of the reason they have to work just as hard as they train to “turn the switch off” when getting back to normal day to day life. These guys are not only the best of the best but have a very tough life. Look into Vegilance’s channel he explains some aspects which is why I know what I do about it.
THANK YOU for addressing this critical difference. In SF, as you said, I was ONLY trained to do low ready, and the SEALs did high ready. This is a huge difference, and is a much bigger debate than most civilians and regular troops would think.
While high port might be slightly quicker, I think both are effective and should be practiced because every situation and environment is different. Therefore, both techniques should be practiced. All part of your Improvise, Adapt and Overcome repertoire. Good job guys. Always good information from two professionals.
Love the no-nonsense, non-hyped, simple explanations given from real world/learned experience without being preachy. Thanks for breaking this down guys, great to see the joint-force cooperation. Just a couple guys out in the field, practicing, given you their view. Great stuff!
@@ShawnRyanShow Correct me if I'm wrong...high port is of very little use to civilians, unless we're clearing a narrow corridor in one direction. Implementing it solo seems like a fatal idea, but perhaps you can do a video on this.
@@ShawnRyanShow I learned from it and intend to implement how you drive the weapon forward. Personally I never liked low ready. High ready is more natural for folks in my opinion. I hate ready up drills from low position.😉
just a simple 11b but its interesting how many different tactics are used under the army doctrine. shoot houses are always low carry, but we were taught to high port as 2 man. using a shot timer made it clear how helpful hi port is
I got roasted so bad in Basic for carrying high ready in a training exercise and my Drill said to me, "I get why you're doing that but wait until you get to your unit before you start doing cool guy s***, there ain't no cool guys in Basic"...then after going thru CA school and getting to my unit they told us "throw all that Basic Training s*** out the window, you're with the big kids now"...we trained high ready and were asked how are you gonna stop a guy hiding next to a door if your weapon is pointed at the ground, one Sergeant would always say, "you probably can't shoot worth s*** but put the tip of that barrel thru his face and see whose going home" lol...love Shawn's philosophy on warfighting and personal defense, it's simple, no nonsense and to the point...likewise with Mike...Strength and Honor.
@@rzr2ffe325 all that thinking has been done already, tried and true. And available for the most part for free. Field manuals cover the basics. Then you turn to these guys for the bells and whistles, what hasn't made it to print yet. There are actually a small number of effective tactics, variance is dictated by circumstances. All battle plans are valid till first contact, then...? This is why run to the gun is the most brilliant method ever devised for combat... Gomer can understand it readily, and it comes down to the individual effort. Simple as that.
Interesting points of view between 2 very established individuals in the "industry" - Don't know how I have missed this one. Would love to see more with these Mike and Shawn - would be a great series
The speed of Mike's 5 shots reminds me of Jerry Miculek, repetition is the mother of skill, prob has more reps than I'll get in my lifetime. Thanks guys, 2 more channels I need to sub to.
For a civilian, its super interesting listening to full on professionals discuss the finer points of combat. Id consider my self a "good shot" and " proficient" with firearms, but holly shit. All i can say is both of these dudes seem like pretty good guys and im thankfull, because i NEVER want to end up on the buisness end of one of their guns. Cool video, subscribed.
As a South African, it's an honor watching content of this calibre. Been following Shawn (Vigilance Elite) for over a year & now I'm adding this channel to my subscriptions 💯
Seriously awesome content. I love the way each of you is bouncing ideas and questions off the other person. It shows that even the experts can always learn more and enjoy hearing other people's opinions. Solid stuff guys.
That’s the way tactical CQB is taught. We were constantly contributing to the group discussions and trying to prove/disprove different ways to approach a problem/solution.
I trained CQB at the shoot house at Benning with General Dempsey on the catwalk watching our selected team out of the whole battalion by our CO and SGM for demonstration .. quite an honor
Thousands of hours of training went in for these two professionals to provide this content, free. Amazing work. Also, anyone know what kind of jacket Shawn is wearing?
Such a compelling discussion, even when 99.95% have never experienced this and - God willing - won’t have to. Listening to experience and expertise provide practical discourse on two schools of thought evolving to reality...thanks guys, I (and a whole lot of us) appreciate you for this.
This was a great video. Good to see the two best branches of our military working together and showing their entry skills. The end was the best part with the joking and making fun. Good stuff guys
I always tend to do high ready in the woods shooting. Throat checked myself pretty good one time, felt like I shoulda liked and subscribed somewhere at that moment.
Marines, 2003, was taught low ready - now try to incorporate high ready, but it's tough to not resort to old habits when in the moment and under stress. Good vid.
I love how each time you raise and lower your weapon it is in a circular motion AWAY from his face,body, etc. it’s just good to see that type of weapon awareness ingrained
LOVE the “We the people” wall. Thank you guys for your service, too, for everything. All you have done for this country. We definitely need more people like you guys. God bless you guys. 🙌🏼💯🇺🇸🕊
Very cool to see the two of you guys collaborate and put out fundamentals for the thinking public. You guys should do a JV and put together some courses for civ and leo types.
It was good to see y'all immediately following the end of the demo, elaborate regarding an aspect that would not be done Real Time. The Button Hook at the end and that thing Shawn did at the beginning. I found myself saying out loud.. I Did NOT Understand That.. at the start, and at the end I said.. WTF Was That!?! Both times, at End of the Demo, y'all immediately provided corrective info. Thanks for a excellent video. People like to keep up on things and be made aware of changes and the reason for. Enjoy the Holiday!
Both have distinct advantages/disadvantages in my opinion. My biggest issue against high port is having something up (barrel/rail) that could block a portion of your view, even in the slightest. You see things/threats, I personally don’t like anything blocking ANY of my vision. Overall great videos as always with Shawn and Mike.
Late to this game. This is some informative stuff. Aside from the subject material, you guys just asking each other questions about training methods shows how J crews should be adaptable. Absolutely awesome. Also digging that MK18, not gonna lie.
great content guys - props and greetings from Poland. Mike if possible could you cover the footwork in your videos - was really a treat for me watching slo moes here, but I see a whole universe of practical knowledge to get in this area. cheers
Good explanations. I’m constantly fighting the “old school” think in the LE world with this on my team. We’re progressing slowly, but I still don’t have everyone convinced. Very difficult to change the “that is the way we’ve always done it” mentality.
changing mindset is damn hard a lot of times. This video would help the trainers change their minds. It makes a lot of sense, and if the SOF are using it, LEO's should be looking at it hard especially with trained tango's infiltrating.
Big army now we do( 1st man covering the door, 2nd man covering high, 3rd covering long, 4th man covering rear.) this is before going in the door. Entering the door we want 3 barrels in the door at once. Same concept as 1 and 2 coming in but the 3rd man is right behind putting his barrel in between 1 and 2 man before entering the room fully.
Doctrine >> Practicality in the military. It's a dogma. You'll quickly drop the unnecessary habits once in a life or death scenario, or it'll get you killed. Whichever comes first.
Lucky that shit has stopped mostly. Even in OSUT in 2016 I asked if we were allowed to high port and the drill said "whatever gets you on target faster"
We used high ready more often as number 3 in the rollingT. Not commonly used anymore, but rolling T definitely had some high ready. In practice oof 1 and 2 (03/04) I more often used low ready than high but not exclusively, and high wasn’t rare. This was more out of practicality, as we nearly always were clearing from bottom to top and it made more sense to be oriented high over a shoulder than low under an armpit in any position other than number 1
Had a ranger explain that her preferred low ready because it gave him more control to use his weapon as a ram if anyone tried tackling him or was behind the door.
Yup theres always a dumb excuse why some higher up wants to change how they are doing things. I don't know how many times they wanted to change how we conducted a simple obstacle breach just because some officer said so. One of the small reasons I've gotten out.
These are great but would love to see how you clear a room in a solo situation. For the vast majority of people we won’t have a 4 man team or even a 2 man team. Specifically from a center fed room. I would think most viewers would only use a room clearing tactic would be either an active shooter situation or more likely a home intruder. But thanks for the content fellas huge fan.
Matt Graham teaches a course, Combat Killhouse, which is mostly solo clearing/structure penetration. Search "Combat Killhouse AAR" to find my account of it on glocktalk. One caveat, his course is mostly predicated on getting yourself or someone out of a building in an Active Shooter scenario, so the TTP is a little different than how you might clear your hose if your intent was to secure versus exit.
@@thumper9633 Matt G. was one of Mikes instructors. Very relevant info in that course and based on his background. We will do a single man CQB video for sure.
The advantage depends on the mission and who is using them. If you aren't military; let's say a cop or a citizen who hears a bump in the night then high port might mean pointing your gun at people who aren't bad guys. Again ok for a seal entering a structure in Afghanistan but not ok for a cop entering our children's schools
@@MidnughtMerauders I disagree. Point in fact is in the video of the recent shooting in NJ, where numerous police can be seen carrying all manner of firearms, some in high port, some not. Circumstances dictate tactics just as the mission dictates the gear train.
There should be more conversations like this on camera. I think there’s so much benefit to seeing the pros and cons of two different ways to do the same thing. This is how innovation comes about.
It's also great to watch you guys interact. It's SO "ops." Lol. I have a late friend of the family who was 7th SFG during the '80s and '90s (Ronald Merle -- RIP), and I know that vibe. Love it, dudes.
7 years of Sit Wait and Talk (SWAT) as a sniper/entry guy and trained several times with Paul Howe. Very humbling to work and train with these professionals. Hats off and thanks for the tips. We did low entry forever as well.
It's still more important to train quick-aquistion low-port shooting for civilians, IMO. Obviously if you're walking the woods, for example, or if you're on a combat patrol - you're not going to be humping around at the high-port. Or if you're up in a tree, on a roof, a tower, a hilltop, a ridgeline, etc. you don't want your muzzle dancing up in the air. And you have to be working from the low if you're transitioning from binos or naked-eye scanning to immediate engagement. Also, if you're in open-space - no spec ops guy on the planet is going to convince me that you can't run a lot faster low-port than high-port. Let's say you're working a hostile area but haven't identified any enemy positions - you're just running cover to cover - you're going to want to be moving as quickly as possible - which I would argue would be running from the low-port. If you are ever working down stairs or a steep hill (imagine home defense: your bedroom is upstairs and you're ready to clear down to the first floor) you ALWAYS work from the low-port if you're moving with gravity (at least that's how I've been taught). Low-port is a position that doesn't appear anywhere near as threatening to an outside observer. And, if you are working with a team in open-space, you're going to be using your weapon to non-verbally tell your teammates exactly where your eyes are at so everybody knows who's got what at all times. Sorry, to write a novel, but let's be clear - low-port is a shitty tactic for rapid entry and most tight-space action - but the low-port is still just as important - and, for civilians, maybe even more so
I don't believe you were attempting to say that low-ready-acquistion drills (is what I've always heard them called) are stupid, but it almost came across that way to me
As a matter of fact - that's how I learned to properly adjust the length of your long-sling. The center of mass of the loaded weapon-system should hang directly in front of your bellybutton at a full-stand and directly in front of your crotch when you're in your dynamic movement-stance. You also want to triple-check your kit every time you head out to ensure there's nothing that (1) is going to snag the gun between the low-ready and cheek-weld and (2) there's no gear that you're going to be slamming your optic into in case you have to go into run-like-demons-are-chasing-you mode
Joe Lammers agree, the low port is just as important as high port. Because most of the time you are going with your weapon at a low point than a high point. And yes it depends if the building has the workingspace or not for a high/low. When we were doing CQB training, we learned the high most of the time, and the instructors told us, same as Shawn, that its faster than a low. Altso its important to do a low ready shooting drill because you are going with the weapon in a neutral pos aka low. I have a friend in the Norwegian Special Forces, and he told me in the aspirant period, they are standing on a line inside a CQB room with a catwalker (instructor on top), and one target each straight infront of them, and they are starting in a low shooting pos with live fire, and they train like this for hours-days-years-every day. With a shooting timer/beeping box to improve the reaction and speed. (Low pos - BEEP!! - up, one shot - left right check - down - and 200 times more)
Joe, what part of this video did you not understand? Just trying to clarify: Did they fail to address the situations you detailed, in a video specifically dedicated to the point of this content? Or did you - in your need to find fault - just fail to grasp the point of said post? Think what Joe ment to say (just went on abit) was that; please clarify at start of video - as most of us are just everyday Joe's (pun intended) - that this is specific to this situation & does not apply to every other real world situation! There, everyone should be happy now!?!
In my opinion, you have a lot of tactical advantages in weapon retention when someone grabs a pistol/carbine/shotgun from either low or high ready, especially if they are using only a single hand. If they are extended closer to fully extended arm(s) while you have your arms held in close to your chest with a solid center of gravity there are a lot of tools to overcome this situation. This opens up their arms for a variety of hand/wrist/elbow/shoulder retentions and their vital organs are more exposed targets. The length of the barrel can provide substantial leverage too using hambo disarms. A modified ura or omote gyaku will solve these problems just fine as will many other traditional Japanese fighting techniques. Once you learn the basic principles, breaking a hand or arm grip, even two-handed grips, is not particularly challenging.
Low Ready: A key point not mentioned is if you do flag a teammate from high port, you are covering his head. If you do it from a low ready/port, you flag lower body. Flagging is never acceptable, even though we have our finger off the trigger and selector on safe until engaging threats. We all know it happens, especially in when adrenaline is flowing. SEALs have actually killed some of their own guys in training accidents with high port CQB, the Army has not. This fact is not lost on Army doctrine, hence reluctance to drink the Navy Cool-Aid. The alternating of low ready muzzle positions is taught to compress the standard Army fire team stack (4 Soldiers) which eliminates the flagging threat/risk, keeps the stack tight, and makes entry flow smoother. Smooth is fast. Keep in mind the active Army is not training to SOF levels, but Tier 1 Army guys use low ready. Kyle Lamb has a video on it.
Well said and agreed on all points. If you have to take a knee, bend over, or go down you will either have to transition or flag everybody as well. A great deal of “shoot house” isms in this video not balanced with on target experiences.
I think honestly that the reason the difference between muzzle up/muzzle down is the manner in which the general force stands with their weapons if you think about it. Most troops are patrolling/standing with muzzles low. Specific clearance drills are different. This is where the muscle memory of hours on the range of ready up drills came from. Whichever you train with, you will be proficient with. Neither had any serious drawbacks as I have used both as well. Cheers.
As a retired leo and SRT member, ( 1990’s ) we always used the ( nut to butt) low port entry method .. Great info .. Looks like “ Bob” qualifies an increase in pay grade and definately qualifies for some workman's comp repairs ..
Ive been preaching this for years. Too bad regular army guys can’t and won’t adopt this. The time I implemented this my team crushed the simulation and the only thing the commander cared about was how the weapons weren’t at the low ready. Completely disregard the smoothest and fasting time in the company.
The thing I see with both is that shortening the stock would help either way. I do appreciate that neither of these guys think their method is immensely better, and that both are valid.
As an infantry squad leader, this video has augmented my cqb knowledge and I have started to move my guys away from low in favor of high for certain situations. It's a game changer. Thanks for this excellent content and please keep collaborating on useful shit like this.
It was a real pleasure working with a true professional again. Thank you making the trip over to TN brother. Hope to see you in AZ next time. Cheers 🍻
Vigilance Elite like the good ol days man-let’s get back to the antiques!
The FieldCraft Survival Channel Don’t threaten me with a good time brother. 😂
Why would you never button/j-hook?
Culture Shock. CIA Live Op.
Rudi Andre Frank he does and would. He said he would never button hook like that. The way the wall brace interferes with his entry caused him to alter his entry.
Navy "Barrels up so we don't drown"
101st "Barrels down so we don't crash & Burn"
Marines "Mags out, fix bayonets! You can be replaced but Helos and ships are expensive!"
this is all the explanation we need.
its funny but its true....from 101 vet barrel always down because of the birds
LMAO, funny but true, as a Recon Marine, were always grilled about the cost of everything, but in places like mid east, high port was more effective, death came from upper staircases or shooting ports in the ceiling.
lol U A FOO DAWG! SSGT.Calhoun. U.S.M.C. (ret) out!...
@@cbrr7615 Right? Marsoc got all the goodies lol
the best way to enter a room is to running jump around the corner while looking sideways. its called peekers advantage and it helps keep your kdr higher than 1.
If you enter the room first, you have the ping advantage- sounds reasonable to me
You gotta flick bro
I like to enter first with a thermal detonator just to knock 'em off balance followed by thermal imploder then a TL50 secondary barrage before engaging personal shield and sweeping the corners at my leisure but... I suppose this works too...
Where did you get this information? Instructor Carl? Did you at least hand a hand grenade too?
@Tane Rameka i just use the most honorable way of killing, from my office in LA while i fly my $3.5 million drone and rain hell fire on the unsuspecting victims in cowboy hats and flip flops that are just trying to get frisky with their favorite goat.
I love the idea of two ex-military guys chillin the wilderness, enjoying life, and also sharing their knowledge to us citizens.
Hopefully it reaches the people with a good conscience, anyone can watch it…
@@It-b-Blair That's why we have to watch it, and train. The best we can, even if it's just knowing how to defend our house and nothing else. If the shtf, there will be plenty of muscled up gun experts with no conscience. Because though I'm sure not many of us on this channel are a fan of leftist's views, there really are a lot of hyper-aggressive, racist, gun loving, people-indifferent potential bad guys on the right. If shtf, if you've ever seen the walking dead, the Negans of that world will be people who may have spent thousands of dollars and hours honing these crafts. We can only be ready to do our best and hope not to draw the attention of the better trained.
I know this is about high port low port but the biggest take away for me was how even though they have their guns unloaded I didn’t see those barrels ever point in an unsafe direction. Not even once even during conversation.
Juan Pablo Munoz i noticed that too.
Because they are seasoned professionals
They know one accident is all it takes to end someone.
If you're disciplined and in the military that's usually the case since we get fucked up
They did it hot too...
Being that I was in the army and always taught the low ready, this was eye opening. It makes so much sense seeing it like this. Great video guys, thanks for this
benj1b yup same, this was a shocker
i had a TL years ago that went through a CQB course taught by SEALs. He came back teaching these methods, and now 10 years later, as im teaching these same methods to my TLs and lower joes, im still getting yelled at for not being at low port. Army needs an Update.
It’s crazy how much better the high port is.
Crazy how they teach us low port in the Infantry thinking we’re learning from the best. Looking at this video shows how there’s better methods out there just baffles me.
That's the difference between the army and a contract killer.
Wifes out with friends just cleared whole house out all the cats are dead. My son made a great front man . Lmao 😂😂
Absolutely Hilarious!
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
Lmfao!!!
Right on!
When my daughters were around 4 we used to stack on their bedroom door to clear their room before bedtime. No issues with monsters under the bed on those nights!!!
40lb soft armor. I like it
Just to add a little bit of clarity, I went through SFARTAETC back in 1996, where we were taught both High and Low Port. We used both during the flat range portion and it was required that the 3 & 4 man in the stack, use high port. When I got to the CIF, and I went to high port, they said "we don't do that here" and the main reason was "safety" because of the folks on the catwalk. I use both, teach both and believe both have their place. Great vid and thanks putting out some good info.
Not a SEAL, but in the late 1980s The Boat Units and SEALs were taught both positions. They were taught to be used situationally as needed.
@@boatdriver9533 Makes sense. There was a lot more integration in the beginning. I didn't realize it, but there were Army Special Forces medics in ST6 back in the day too.
@William Vagabond I recommend knowing both, so yes, get out there and learn the benefits of high ready, but don't discard low ready. I use both, teach both and believe both have their place. It's up to you, to find out which one works best in different situations. I recommend using a timer on the flat range, but then try working different scenarios doing some barricade and room clearing.
As a gamer I have no knowledge of stacked entry but do u guys ever peak your head or a body part in a corner for a split second before entry against prepared defenders? I ask because in games defenders will be aiming down sights and fire at any motion they see and will always have the split second advantage against attackers.
@@LRRPFco52 Wow thanks for the in depth answer now I feel supid for asking that question. The military has access to so much more than the contents of my games
During early OIF, we Marines we always entering via Low-Port but we had M16s and not M4s. We did learn, in combat, that the “90s SWAT team flood” wasn’t the best way to fight against a prepared enemy with machine guns. We started fighting from outside open doorways by pieing.
Yup.
YUT.
Rah.
Yup, did both in the 80's in OUF, OJC, and later Panama, finally got pencil barrel carbines w/A1 sights and ACOG, man did that improve maneuvers.
What's the next evolution from pieing I wonder?
@@ryean1_aus flash bang's.. they actually gave us some on me second deployment. Issues were reported of them going off unprimed so they pulled them out of the field.
If time is on your side (aka you don't have to do this fast), pieing it out is the way to go if you have to clear a room. Otherwise your risk of being shot by an enemy combatant already expecting an entry is very high even with speed.
For home defense, unless you have to move out of your Alamo (aka the room with the fire arms), your better off being the guy waiting in the cut for the intruder! You know your home, the intruder likely does not, use the terrain (building) to your advantage.
@3:43 - shows you how humble and honest they are - no matter the hours they have and all the experience they have they're still humble enough to admit, learn, and execute. Thank you Shawn and Mike from one vet to another... God Bless and thank you
That's what it's all about.
Gonna go clear my kitchen out with all this knowledge
Clear your whole house, never know when you might need to do that for real.
Ha i did that earlier with my nerf rival blasters
Be advised, frying pans from startled wives are not to be considered "less lethal".
Michael Ivey roger that
Joshua Smith I should try it with my nerf recon while using the “c clamp” grip
Love this type of content.
Thank you
This was one of the most useful tactical discussions i have heard in a while. Love really breaking down simple things.
10:07 how fast Shawn got on his sights and went back to high ready was some ninja shit lmao. Good God.
All of you guys who have done this in a real CQB scenario - I can't imagine what that is like - but I get a knot in my belly thinking about it.
Hats off to you all!
Let's just say, your heart beats x3 as fast cause you don't know what you'll encounter on the other side, so anything can happen.
I would think the reason they keep their emotions in check & flow thru some of the most challenging situations is due to not thinking as much but instead relying on muscle memory, all the hard work they put in during training would make running thru many challenges almost second nature, only making adjustments as needed in fractions of a second that have also been thought of as plan “B”, “C”, ect
Gotta keep in mind these guys get the best & most extensive training, they are literally killing machines which is part of the reason they have to work just as hard as they train to “turn the switch off” when getting back to normal day to day life. These guys are not only the best of the best but have a very tough life. Look into Vegilance’s channel he explains some aspects which is why I know what I do about it.
THANK YOU for addressing this critical difference. In SF, as you said, I was ONLY trained to do low ready, and the SEALs did high ready. This is a huge difference, and is a much bigger debate than most civilians and regular troops would think.
Moreover it's not just an arbitrary debate, like which sports team is better, but one involving best practices for life-and-death tactics.
While high port might be slightly quicker, I think both are effective and should be practiced because every situation and environment is different. Therefore, both techniques should be practiced. All part of your Improvise, Adapt and Overcome repertoire.
Good job guys. Always good information from two professionals.
that intro was living and breathing, the minds eye reliving an incident within its own zone. I can watch that flow endlessly. Thank you
Love the no-nonsense, non-hyped, simple explanations given from real world/learned experience without being preachy. Thanks for breaking this down guys, great to see the joint-force cooperation. Just a couple guys out in the field, practicing, given you their view. Great stuff!
Two badass guys explaining this to us normies, thank you brother.
Jake Howlett cheers 🍻
Cheers brother
Civi life am i right?
Jake Howlett 🙄
@@ShawnRyanShow Correct me if I'm wrong...high port is of very little use to civilians, unless we're clearing a narrow corridor in one direction. Implementing it solo seems like a fatal idea, but perhaps you can do a video on this.
Marine says, "Just frag the room... Then go in."
One room, one body? More like room one grenade. :)
Estate Sales Drop red crayons 🖍 at the door to show clear.
...Then go in high port.*
Casualties be damned
You got a time stamp?
I liked the history part on how it evolved from low to high. Definitely have to trust your team mate using low ready.
Greg Chabot Thanks for watching Greg! Stoked to hear you like it.
@@ShawnRyanShow I learned from it and intend to implement how you drive the weapon forward. Personally I never liked low ready. High ready is more natural for folks in my opinion. I hate ready up drills from low position.😉
Greg Chabot I also hate ready ups 😂
Too bad much of JBLM is like F U to any of us wanting to apply something practical like this. As usual, probably it just makes too much sense.
Greg Chabot and we did. 😉
just a simple 11b but its interesting how many different tactics are used under the army doctrine. shoot houses are always low carry, but we were taught to high port as 2 man. using a shot timer made it clear how helpful hi port is
That’s awesome. Thank you for your service
I got roasted so bad in Basic for carrying high ready in a training exercise and my Drill said to me, "I get why you're doing that but wait until you get to your unit before you start doing cool guy s***, there ain't no cool guys in Basic"...then after going thru CA school and getting to my unit they told us "throw all that Basic Training s*** out the window, you're with the big kids now"...we trained high ready and were asked how are you gonna stop a guy hiding next to a door if your weapon is pointed at the ground, one Sergeant would always say, "you probably can't shoot worth s*** but put the tip of that barrel thru his face and see whose going home" lol...love Shawn's philosophy on warfighting and personal defense, it's simple, no nonsense and to the point...likewise with Mike...Strength and Honor.
Same
I so enjoyed the professional discussion. DOL
Omg I soooo enjoyed it too(white valley girl voice)
Love seeing America’s best showing what they learned to the us people that haven’t had the training.
Like the days of the colonial militiamen like Washington serving in the army then spreading that knowledge to the militias
Honestly anyone who sits down and thinks about the smartest way to do things, then practices them over and over, is going to be successful.
@@rzr2ffe325 all that thinking has been done already, tried and true. And available for the most part for free. Field manuals cover the basics. Then you turn to these guys for the bells and whistles, what hasn't made it to print yet. There are actually a small number of effective tactics, variance is dictated by circumstances. All battle plans are valid till first contact, then...? This is why run to the gun is the most brilliant method ever devised for combat... Gomer can understand it readily, and it comes down to the individual effort. Simple as that.
Interesting points of view between 2 very established individuals in the "industry" - Don't know how I have missed this one. Would love to see more with these Mike and Shawn - would be a great series
The speed of Mike's 5 shots reminds me of Jerry Miculek, repetition is the mother of skill, prob has more reps than I'll get in my lifetime. Thanks guys, 2 more channels I need to sub to.
For a civilian, its super interesting listening to full on professionals discuss the finer points of combat.
Id consider my self a "good shot" and " proficient" with firearms, but holly shit. All i can say is both of these dudes seem like pretty good guys and im thankfull, because i NEVER want to end up on the buisness end of one of their guns.
Cool video, subscribed.
As a South African, it's an honor watching content of this calibre. Been following Shawn (Vigilance Elite) for over a year & now I'm adding this channel to my subscriptions 💯
That's awesome, thank you.
Seriously awesome content. I love the way each of you is bouncing ideas and questions off the other person. It shows that even the experts can always learn more and enjoy hearing other people's opinions. Solid stuff guys.
Gavin Rodgers exactly right man. Cheers
That’s the way tactical CQB is taught. We were constantly contributing to the group discussions and trying to prove/disprove different ways to approach a problem/solution.
To all those going down range and those that have gone before them, God's speed and God bless
Lest we forget
R 🤘🏽🇦🇺
I trained CQB at the shoot house at Benning with General Dempsey on the catwalk watching our selected team out of the whole battalion by our CO and SGM for demonstration .. quite an honor
Thousands of hours of training went in for these two professionals to provide this content, free. Amazing work. Also, anyone know what kind of jacket Shawn is wearing?
Tan jacket.. You're welcome bro
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The Green Beret vs Navy SEAL jokes are too funny. Camera man, BIG FAT WINDSOCK on the mic please!
"my go pro was on my belt so I could get the pov" 😂☠️
Tyler B. Haha 😂 say cheese 📸
Being I was Army, that sounded like a Navy recruiting pitch.
@@ernestpaul2484 Get a good shot of the seamen
what a great video, much appreciated
Thank you brother.
I agree.
Good to see you here!
So nice to see pros explaining stuff. the muzzle and trigger discipline was outstanding.
Opening gave me chills & made me emotional and thankful for all our guys do that we never see.
Such a compelling discussion, even when 99.95% have never experienced this and - God willing - won’t have to. Listening to experience and expertise provide practical discourse on two schools of thought evolving to reality...thanks guys, I (and a whole lot of us) appreciate you for this.
Jon E cheers 🍻
This is the best team up iv ever seen
Nice teaching video Gents. Hope to see more “why we do this” in the future. Makes the learning easier.
This was a great video. Good to see the two best branches of our military working together and showing their entry skills. The end was the best part with the joking and making fun. Good stuff guys
Finally, a true explanation between low and high port... Thank you so much 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
James S was awesome to be able to work with Mike and discuss this topic.
Always liked how shawn always talks respectfully to others
I always tend to do high ready in the woods shooting. Throat checked myself pretty good one time, felt like I shoulda liked and subscribed somewhere at that moment.
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This was very informative and I love this type of content as well as the humor at the end. Awesome video guys!
Marines, 2003, was taught low ready - now try to incorporate high ready, but it's tough to not resort to old habits when in the moment and under stress.
Good vid.
I love how each time you raise and lower your weapon it is in a circular motion AWAY from his face,body, etc. it’s just good to see that type of weapon awareness ingrained
Navy: "You looked really hot going thru that doorway..."
Army: "Yeah it's a bit warn out today..."
Marines: ( smh... )
Some really good general knowledge easily explained by a couple real pipe hitters very cool thanks fellas
My brother and I are getting nerf guns for Christmas and we will be running this until my wife makes us stop. So awesome!
hahaha
@@ShawnRyanShow You think that's funny? Just wait till I make him be the fist guy and keep shooting him in the calves from low port! Haha
"Maybe they need to be shot, maybe they don't" - Shawn Ryan... lol!
LOVE the “We the people” wall. Thank you guys for your service, too, for everything. All you have done for this country. We definitely need more people like you guys. God bless you guys. 🙌🏼💯🇺🇸🕊
I just cleared my home 5 times already and this works, thanks.
It's always fun to watch two professionals to talk shop.
I went to USMC CQB school, used it in MUCH VBSS ops, and in combat in 2004 (Fallujah2); its nice to see some updated perspectives.
Very cool to see the two of you guys collaborate and put out fundamentals for the thinking public. You guys should do a JV and put together some courses for civ and leo types.
Agreed! Train them for confiscation!
It's the perfect reason for the militarization of the the police!
Couldn't agree more, best comment!
“From the head down is where everybody’s bodies are” military wisdom
The dream team. Thank you both for what you have done and what you continue to do
This was a great simple but incredible insight. I love that aggressive snap
Thank you
It was good to see y'all immediately following the end of the demo, elaborate regarding an aspect that would not be done Real Time. The Button Hook at the end and that thing Shawn did at the beginning. I found myself saying out loud..
I Did NOT Understand That..
at the start, and at the end I said..
WTF Was That!?!
Both times, at End of the Demo, y'all immediately provided corrective info.
Thanks for a excellent video. People like to keep up on things and be made aware of changes and the reason for.
Enjoy the Holiday!
Both have distinct advantages/disadvantages in my opinion. My biggest issue against high port is having something up (barrel/rail) that could block a portion of your view, even in the slightest. You see things/threats, I personally don’t like anything blocking ANY of my vision. Overall great videos as always with Shawn and Mike.
The power and speed Shawn Ryan has hitting the point of domination is freak’n awesome.
Shawn- “you looked REALLY hot going through the doorway”
Mike- “really , you like that?”
This has got to be the coolest and most badass thing I've seen all day.
That's awesome
Thank you!! Yes. Our team had a retired SFOD guy show us "compressed high ready" several years ago. It works well especially for tall operators.
Like watching a masters course...love it. I hope to see more collaborations.
I loved analyzing this video and I even slowed them down to dissect everything, solid demos. Much appreciated 🙏🏽
Late to this game. This is some informative stuff. Aside from the subject material, you guys just asking each other questions about training methods shows how J crews should be adaptable. Absolutely awesome. Also digging that MK18, not gonna lie.
great content guys - props and greetings from Poland. Mike if possible could you cover the footwork in your videos - was really a treat for me watching slo moes here, but I see a whole universe of practical knowledge to get in this area. cheers
Good explanations. I’m constantly fighting the “old school” think in the LE world with this on my team. We’re progressing slowly, but I still don’t have everyone convinced. Very difficult to change the “that is the way we’ve always done it” mentality.
Are the LEOs using Low Port or something different entirely?
changing mindset is damn hard a lot of times. This video would help the trainers change their minds. It makes a lot of sense, and if the SOF are using it, LEO's should be looking at it hard especially with trained tango's infiltrating.
LE world is full of ego as well. I hated dealing with officers who knew everything but had done nothing.
Lol i remember doing push ups for trying to explain this to my section sgt.... told me i was an idiot.( sigh) ... cav scout 3rd id 2006.
what has changed now?
Big army now we do( 1st man covering the door, 2nd man covering high, 3rd covering long, 4th man covering rear.) this is before going in the door.
Entering the door we want 3 barrels in the door at once.
Same concept as 1 and 2 coming in but the 3rd man is right behind putting his barrel in between 1 and 2 man before entering the room fully.
That's the problem you're a scout lol
Doctrine >> Practicality in the military. It's a dogma. You'll quickly drop the unnecessary habits once in a life or death scenario, or it'll get you killed. Whichever comes first.
Lucky that shit has stopped mostly. Even in OSUT in 2016 I asked if we were allowed to high port and the drill said "whatever gets you on target faster"
At the end, your little banter back and forth absolutely brightened my day. God bless you both.
It doesn't matter to me which method you use! Just extremely happy you guys are on our side! Thanks for your service and advice!
Tactically and culturally, that was an amazing instruction for me. Hats off to you two consummate pros.
We used high ready more often as number 3 in the rollingT. Not commonly used anymore, but rolling T definitely had some high ready. In practice oof 1 and 2 (03/04) I more often used low ready than high but not exclusively, and high wasn’t rare. This was more out of practicality, as we nearly always were clearing from bottom to top and it made more sense to be oriented high over a shoulder than low under an armpit in any position other than number 1
Seeing this, I have even more respect for SR. Very precise, crisp, deliberate, and forceful movement. Impressive!
These two make an awesome pair, great chemistry for RUclips, entertaining, informative and give and take
Wow. Great info!!!! It’s kind of crazy that the Army constrained their tactics to accommodate observers on overhead catwalks.
Had a ranger explain that her preferred low ready because it gave him more control to use his weapon as a ram if anyone tried tackling him or was behind the door.
Conventional units still do this. Pisses me off.
Yup theres always a dumb excuse why some higher up wants to change how they are doing things.
I don't know how many times they wanted to change how we conducted a simple obstacle breach just because some officer said so.
One of the small reasons I've gotten out.
buncha big smart college boy commanders that really aren't all that big and smart
Different units, different SOP's. Fucks up everyone in the end if we aren't in the same page, and on the same coloring book.
Hahahaha to have a navy seal in front instead of behind I’m dead 😂😂😂😂😂
Navy SEALs > Green Berets
That’s just the facts bro 🤷♂️
You guys just earned a thumbs up with the, WE THE PEOPLE, painted on the wall!!! Viva La Pineland Mike Glover!!!
Surprised nobody is really tlking bout that, I definitely dig the design & placement!
Watching both of their muzzle awareness is a good to watch
For a guy that’s been out of the fight for over 4 decades I love seeing the evolution of the art of war.
These are great but would love to see how you clear a room in a solo situation. For the vast majority of people we won’t have a 4 man team or even a 2 man team. Specifically from a center fed room. I would think most viewers would only use a room clearing tactic would be either an active shooter situation or more likely a home intruder. But thanks for the content fellas huge fan.
It’s on the list
Matt Graham teaches a course, Combat Killhouse, which is mostly solo clearing/structure penetration. Search "Combat Killhouse AAR" to find my account of it on glocktalk. One caveat, his course is mostly predicated on getting yourself or someone out of a building in an Active Shooter scenario, so the TTP is a little different than how you might clear your hose if your intent was to secure versus exit.
@@thumper9633 Matt G. was one of Mikes instructors. Very relevant info in that course and based on his background. We will do a single man CQB video for sure.
Really...really fast 😂
The FieldCraft Survival Channel was a good video too Mike, learned a lot in that video.
Shawn is so chill when he speaks. Watching him go kinetic is incredible.
The only advantage to low port might be going down stairs or ladders onboard ship.
Always used muzzle down on aircraft, the important stuff is overhead.
@@flyoverkid55 , landing gear is for losers. We need the lights and fans.
@@Jay_Sullivan Seems you haven't spent time in military aircraft.
The advantage depends on the mission and who is using them. If you aren't military; let's say a cop or a citizen who hears a bump in the night then high port might mean pointing your gun at people who aren't bad guys. Again ok for a seal entering a structure in Afghanistan but not ok for a cop entering our children's schools
@@MidnughtMerauders I disagree. Point in fact is in the video of the recent shooting in NJ, where numerous police can be seen carrying all manner of firearms, some in high port, some not. Circumstances dictate tactics just as the mission dictates the gear train.
There should be more conversations like this on camera. I think there’s so much benefit to seeing the pros and cons of two different ways to do the same thing. This is how innovation comes about.
It's also great to watch you guys interact. It's SO "ops." Lol. I have a late friend of the family who was 7th SFG during the '80s and '90s (Ronald Merle -- RIP), and I know that vibe. Love it, dudes.
7 years of Sit Wait and Talk (SWAT) as a sniper/entry guy and trained several times with Paul Howe. Very humbling to work and train with these professionals. Hats off and thanks for the tips. We did low entry forever as well.
Low-ready for entry? Many former D-Fo go low, right?
It's still more important to train quick-aquistion low-port shooting for civilians, IMO. Obviously if you're walking the woods, for example, or if you're on a combat patrol - you're not going to be humping around at the high-port. Or if you're up in a tree, on a roof, a tower, a hilltop, a ridgeline, etc. you don't want your muzzle dancing up in the air. And you have to be working from the low if you're transitioning from binos or naked-eye scanning to immediate engagement. Also, if you're in open-space - no spec ops guy on the planet is going to convince me that you can't run a lot faster low-port than high-port. Let's say you're working a hostile area but haven't identified any enemy positions - you're just running cover to cover - you're going to want to be moving as quickly as possible - which I would argue would be running from the low-port. If you are ever working down stairs or a steep hill (imagine home defense: your bedroom is upstairs and you're ready to clear down to the first floor) you ALWAYS work from the low-port if you're moving with gravity (at least that's how I've been taught). Low-port is a position that doesn't appear anywhere near as threatening to an outside observer. And, if you are working with a team in open-space, you're going to be using your weapon to non-verbally tell your teammates exactly where your eyes are at so everybody knows who's got what at all times. Sorry, to write a novel, but let's be clear - low-port is a shitty tactic for rapid entry and most tight-space action - but the low-port is still just as important - and, for civilians, maybe even more so
I don't believe you were attempting to say that low-ready-acquistion drills (is what I've always heard them called) are stupid, but it almost came across that way to me
As a matter of fact - that's how I learned to properly adjust the length of your long-sling. The center of mass of the loaded weapon-system should hang directly in front of your bellybutton at a full-stand and directly in front of your crotch when you're in your dynamic movement-stance. You also want to triple-check your kit every time you head out to ensure there's nothing that (1) is going to snag the gun between the low-ready and cheek-weld and (2) there's no gear that you're going to be slamming your optic into in case you have to go into run-like-demons-are-chasing-you mode
Joe Lammers agree, the low port is just as important as high port. Because most of the time you are going with your weapon at a low point than a high point. And yes it depends if the building has the workingspace or not for a high/low. When we were doing CQB training, we learned the high most of the time, and the instructors told us, same as Shawn, that its faster than a low.
Altso its important to do a low ready shooting drill because you are going with the weapon in a neutral pos aka low. I have a friend in the Norwegian Special Forces, and he told me in the aspirant period, they are standing on a line inside a CQB room with a catwalker (instructor on top), and one target each straight infront of them, and they are starting in a low shooting pos with live fire, and they train like this for hours-days-years-every day. With a shooting timer/beeping box to improve the reaction and speed.
(Low pos - BEEP!! - up, one shot - left right check - down - and 200 times more)
Joe, what part of this video did you not understand?
Just trying to clarify: Did they fail to address the situations you detailed, in a video specifically dedicated to the point of this content?
Or did you - in your need to find fault - just fail to grasp the point of said post?
Think what Joe ment to say (just went on abit) was that; please clarify at start of video - as most of us are just everyday Joe's (pun intended) - that this is specific to this situation & does not apply to every other real world situation!
There, everyone should be happy now!?!
In my opinion, you have a lot of tactical advantages in weapon retention when someone grabs a pistol/carbine/shotgun from either low or high ready, especially if they are using only a single hand. If they are extended closer to fully extended arm(s) while you have your arms held in close to your chest with a solid center of gravity there are a lot of tools to overcome this situation. This opens up their arms for a variety of hand/wrist/elbow/shoulder retentions and their vital organs are more exposed targets. The length of the barrel can provide substantial leverage too using hambo disarms. A modified ura or omote gyaku will solve these problems just fine as will many other traditional Japanese fighting techniques. Once you learn the basic principles, breaking a hand or arm grip, even two-handed grips, is not particularly challenging.
Low Ready: A key point not mentioned is if you do flag a teammate from high port, you are covering his head. If you do it from a low ready/port, you flag lower body. Flagging is never acceptable, even though we have our finger off the trigger and selector on safe until engaging threats. We all know it happens, especially in when adrenaline is flowing. SEALs have actually killed some of their own guys in training accidents with high port CQB, the Army has not. This fact is not lost on Army doctrine, hence reluctance to drink the Navy Cool-Aid. The alternating of low ready muzzle positions is taught to compress the standard Army fire team stack (4 Soldiers) which eliminates the flagging threat/risk, keeps the stack tight, and makes entry flow smoother. Smooth is fast. Keep in mind the active Army is not training to SOF levels, but Tier 1 Army guys use low ready. Kyle Lamb has a video on it.
Well said and agreed on all points. If you have to take a knee, bend over, or go down you will either have to transition or flag everybody as well. A great deal of “shoot house” isms in this video not balanced with on target experiences.
I think honestly that the reason the difference between muzzle up/muzzle down is the manner in which the general force stands with their weapons if you think about it. Most troops are patrolling/standing with muzzles low. Specific clearance drills are different. This is where the muscle memory of hours on the range of ready up drills came from. Whichever you train with, you will be proficient with. Neither had any serious drawbacks as I have used both as well. Cheers.
As a retired leo and SRT member, ( 1990’s ) we always used the ( nut to butt) low port entry method .. Great info .. Looks like “ Bob” qualifies an increase in pay grade and definately qualifies for some workman's comp repairs ..
Ive been preaching this for years. Too bad regular army guys can’t and won’t adopt this. The time I implemented this my team crushed the simulation and the only thing the commander cared about was how the weapons weren’t at the low ready. Completely disregard the smoothest and fasting time in the company.
The thing I see with both is that shortening the stock would help either way. I do appreciate that neither of these guys think their method is immensely better, and that both are valid.
I've been waiting for this!!
Great video and education. Love seeing 2 Operators with different backgrounds and experiences sharing their tactics and knowledge.
20:34 broke that dummies head 😂 gold
As an infantry squad leader, this video has augmented my cqb knowledge and I have started to move my guys away from low in favor of high for certain situations. It's a game changer. Thanks for this excellent content and please keep collaborating on useful shit like this.
Right on! Glad to hear it!
What situations?