The "Industry" with chems, toxins and such poisons and burning nature. That's what LoTR is about preserving nature against the "Machine". It was written in a totally different time as well.
Don’t buy into “watch it before judging.” It is THEIR job to entice you to watch the show and right now, no one is remotely enticed to look in Amazon’s direction
Exactly. I hate when a trailer and marketing make a product look shite but then people tell you not to judge just on the marketing. They don't seem to understand that's exactly what marketing is for. So the customer can judge if they want to pay for it or not.
@@darkwoods1954 To be fair, Marketing is often done by different people than the ones who actually make the show/movie and very often, they muck it up. So I'm usually the one who is willing to give something the benefit of the doubt, even when the trailers were shitty, because it wouldn't be quite fair to shun the creator's work due to some brainless marketing people's (and yes, marketing people are often fucking brain-less). Or, rather, I simply don't watch trailers and try to go into a film as impartial as possible. Also, sometimes, the trailer looks good but when you watch the film, all the scenes are in a completely different context or, what's worse, you realize that they put all the good/funny scenes in the trailer and the rest of the movie is dull as fuck.
Same thing with the making excuses for crap. The customer is always right, and shouldn't settle for less than the best. If they want to get paid, that is.
1. Not only would Galadriel never sit like that, male elves wouldn’t either. 2. Why do the Hobbits look like they are from the slums of London? The Hobbits as a race have never been dirt poor. They have always been able to do well for themselves and are incredibly neat and tidy. 3. We all know what the issue is with the Dwarf cover.
They clearly missed how Hobbits' design were made to show down to Earth attitude but mixed with "Well Off Gentleman living his life and enjoying the quiet of a small village (and his storage has one year of food supply)". Heck, Sam who was a gardener had a suit - ruffled, dirty a bit from work - but still to signify the sense of dignity, prosperity and comfort prevalent among every Hobbit.
Did anyone else notice how weird the dwarves looked? Especially the female one, why does it look so strange? Like something about the quality, it looks like a bad painting of them. And yeah I was shocked by the hobbits. But I guess they can make up whatever they want because apparently hobbits are doing shit in the second age now. I really feel like they just said "Oh wait, LOTR and Hobbit both have hobbits, and everyone loved that. So we'd better have them here or casual fans of the films will be sad"
"Don't expect the same Galadriel." They probably think Tolkien's Galadriel was just a weak wallflower, instead of an immensely powerful being who simply had self control and so didn't use her powers. She literally had a scene demonstrating that she could've taken the ring from Frodo and been even more powerful than Sauron, but she didn't
In Peter Jacksons Hobbit Trilogy when the white council Assaults Dol Guldur. She is at least on par with Saruman and Gandalf in that scene. Obviously Amazon missed that.
Or when the Fellowship meet her none except Aragorn and Legolas are able to withstand the gaze of her eyes. And the only reason Aragorn and Legolas could is because they were both sure of themselves. She looks into eyes of each member of the fellowship and in seconds she is able to accurately read each one of them and foretell their actions.
If the vast, vast majority of what they produce weren't so 100% gynocentric in focus, storyline, and editing, their own misandry wouldn't be so blatantly obvious, but it is.
I was willing to give this show a chance, but after this no fucking way these people can't write a story to save their miserable little lives. Tolkien makes them look like complete morons with his skill. If Shakespeare fans are out there, you better protect his work as your lives depend on it.
Yeah I don't get this. You don't need to mess around with classics. The original LOTR films were successful because they were as faithful as possible to the source material. The books are timeless in every sense. Adaptations are fine, but there is absolutely no need to change anything about the original characters, they're just asking for trouble coz essentially what they're saying is Tolkiens work needs to be improved upon. It doesn't. I'm bothered still by the reactions to PoC being part of the cast coz that seems like overreacting to me, they're adding new characters not replacing anyone we know. But still, the whole tone of this thing seems to be coming from a place of arrogance and i get why that bothers people.
We could spent days talking about how bad this is but it's simple. Tolkien would not have written young Galadriel to be like an 2022 tiktok activist. And that's where this ends for me
Lets put into question the word "young" here. Galadriel Was among the first Eldar to ever live. By the Events of the Show she already is thousands of years old
He was left out of John Boorman's 1970s *LotR* script too, but for a different reason: Boorman's script had Galadriel and Frodo getting it on (as well as the rest of the Fellowship trying to get into her pants). So this isn't the first time Hollywood's wanted to take Galadriel down a path nobody ever wanted or asked for.
You know , even Lenny Henry himself, in a stand-up skit in the 90s, spoke about attending an all-black-cast production of HAMLET alongside an African ambassador (Nigerian possibly, can't remember the exact country) , and the ambassador says, " What the f*** are all these black people doing in Denmark?" Is nobody considering how ridiculous this pandering is to people outside their box?
The writers don’t understand the character of Galadriel. Her story is quite intriguing - leaving home with her brothers, learning magic from an angel/god, and learning the hard lessons that allowed her to outlive her family. But OK: make her a man.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Galadriel is more powerful than most of the men (human AND elves), she doesn't need to show her strength or dominate with that like a "real man". What a shit show
well guess what, it isn't going away anytime soon. and soon they will synthesize completely with governments to bring it to every waking aspect of your life. the question is: what are you going to do about it? the question is rhetorical, don't answer it in public.
Galadriel is feminine. Strong, intelligent. Deterrmined. But feminine. "Don't expect the same Galadriel!" Yeah. She's gone masculine. Instead of showing how feminine traits are equally heroic as masculine, she's showing how you have to become masculine to compete. An unpaid but positive critique is valuable and comes over as honest. But a paid-for positive critique is automatically suspect and a paid-for but negative critique can be absolutely genuine. Even if - in the unlikely event - the series turns out good or great, it'll be forever tarnished by this lousy promotion disaster.
The marketing strategy for these companies is to say “if you don’t like this stuff, there’s something wrong with you”, which is never a successful strategy.
@@INRamos13 What does Bolshevism have to do with it, dude? Have you read his basic doctrines at least once in your life, are you familiar with them somehow? Don't bring that up here, okay?!
Its not just LOTR, every show nowadays is indistinguishable from fan fiction. The 'creatives' seem to have all been simultaneously brain-damaged into incompetence.
I can’t lie there has been fan fictions that have done a great job holding true to material that was created by the author. I would take those fan fictions over a lot of these “works” coming out now
@@tticusFinch yea I guarantee a true fan writing some of the fanfiction today would make something way better then everything I've seen in the past 5 years.
Watching the boys season 3 has been a real treat again, the obiovus satire takes on our society with "woke wok" "blm blt" was just amazing, oh and the 2nd amendment gun convention lol
@@moonlitskylight5740 Pretty sure he's criticizing her garbage character not the actress, but the actor is fair game too, she didn't have to accept this role, but she did. If she had any respect for tolkien or the fans, she would have turned down this role.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Oh it most certainly is when they insert their loathsome identity politics into it, like the race baiting, box ticker Lenny Henry.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Nope. Bullshit. She clearly is doing this role for money. If she was a Tolkien fan she would never have accepted this role. Do you get criticism in real life for your choices? What's the difference?
The first 2 questions you ask of someone you're hiring to repaint the Mona Lisa are: 1-Are you a good painter? 2-Have you ever seen the Mona Lisa? Apparently, they forgot to ask those questions of these creators.
Your questions are very underrated. And you make a good point with them. It's like asking me, who has zero experience with mechanics, to build a 1957 Chevy.
This new generation of woke “filmmakers” are systematically hacking up our classic favorites to spread “the message.” This is why hard copies of such classics are important. If they control the digital space, they can manipulate or even delete/block the streaming of the originals we cherish.
They’ve already started that. I did a report for fill class in that. The film Executive Decision with Kurt Russell is a prime example. I still my original vhs, but I was watching it on cable a few years back and the censored out all the references to the hijackers’ Islamic motivations.
The most outrageous thing is, Galadriel in books is a badass! But not sword wielding, mountain climbing ninja... she is a powerful mage and wise leader, is it not enough? As a woman I hate this modern Hollywood notion, I should be intrigued only by physically strong girlboss emotionless female characters... You know Hollywood, my simple lady brain is able to connect to a character for many reasons, not only for having a vagina. I hate it's everywhere sold to me, as if I should be grateful for this amazing feminist service... I'm tired. Keep up your amazing work Drinker! Your videos always made my day.
Well put, this is exactly how I feel - women power is different than man power. It's more subtle and therefore probably more challenging to present on screen. Creating a wow special effect where a "female" character "kicks ass" is easier than giving her layers and depth to show how her power works. It's lazy writing and not understanding source material. This is just bad wannabe fan fiction with a big budget. At least bad fan fiction is written from the heart. This is written for money or woke points. Personally, I'm going to just ignore it's existence, just as I ignore the bulk of bad fan fiction online.
@Ana Slavic 100% agree. Hollywood writes strong women as a men... But badly written parody of man. Tolkien wrote compassion, friendship, forgiveness and kindness as a good and powerful features for equally females and males, showing its not weakness. But what he knew, right? He was only white privileged rasist and misogynist, just with more than 100 millions sold books, trial by time, loved dearly by many to this day and basically singlehandedly created leading modern genre of books, movies and TV. Amazon's PR woke department knows surely better... Honestly theirs audacity is beyond me. But it taught me one thing... Never again look forward to anything...
It’s bizarre. Feminists crow “If women ruled the world there would be no war! Men are inherently violent and lust for power.” Then they make “reimagined” female characters who are even more blood-thirsty, violent and cruel. So much so that they seem the obvious villain. But then strangely they treat them like the hero.
Agree completely. I hate that now, according to Hollywood, strong women are only physically strong women and/or women who treat men like sh*t. The strongest person I've met in my life was my grandma, she went through so many things ... but she never behaved like a man, it's preposterous.
@@choreomaniac If they truly believe that "women rule = no war", I'd like to introduce them to the subject of history, which they must have skipped in school, specifically Queen Victoria and Catherine the Great 😆
1:30 Galadriel was intimidating in the Lord of the rings, a very powerful and stern yet very feminine woman. This portrayal of Galadriel as some swashbuckling Barbarian borders on farcical
I still find it hilarious how these people say how much men are awful and women are the bestest, then completely 180 and desperately ape male physiology and traits when creating their female characters. You see it constantly in fiction, where they just make men and try and slap a woman's face on the body then calling it a "strong woman", but even in live-action it's starting to happen more and more. Like Black Widow where they try to broaden everyone's shoulders, or having Task Manager played by a man.
It's rather classic victim behaviour. Many abused people become abusers because they get it in their head that being an abuser is 'winning'. Likewise, modern feminists have convinced themselves that the patriarchy has been holding them down for ten thousand years, so the way for them to 'win' is to have all the muscles and all the high-stress jobs and force men to stay home, take care of the kids, and fix dinner. And then they get mad because they are perceived as villains instead of 'winners'.
I remember Galadriel from the Lord of the Rings movies and the scene where she reveals her true power just for a moment when Frodo reveals the ring to her. That Galadriel would eat the new “Galadriel” for lunch, look disappointed, and ask for something more satisfying.
Sadly, these small minded people think a character is badass and intimidating only if they swing a sword around. Galadriel was never about that. Her greatest desires were to explore Middle-Earth and establish a kingdom of her own. She's a stateswoman, not a warrior, ffs.
@@mariusionita266 Reminds me a bit of when Deanerys during the Long Night jumped off of her dragon and later picked up a sword. It wasn't enough that she could ride a dragon, they had to have her on the ground swinging a sword.
@@wingedyaga2914 Pretty much the same concept with both. Going from a dragon-riding queen or a sorceress queen to a mere sword swinger is basically taking a severe nerfing in power and intimidation in both cases. Makes no sense.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 I think it's the "Princesses vs. Generals" thing. Going from Princess to General is a downgrade, but because everyone has an idea of Princess=damsel=weak it's suddenly seen as an upgrade.
When you have people that live their entire lives in a social media built echo-chamber of their own thoughts and ideas it becomes completely incomprehensible that ANY other thought or idea or opinion could be even conceivable let alone legitimate. That's who is kicking these things out, they are not doing it to make money or put out a show or give tribute to something great, they are doing it to tick a few boxes that their social media circle will give them praise for.
The opinion of the crowd influences the individual. That is why all of these corporations are hiding negative input from public. The echo Chambers are to get everyone tribalistic and arguing. The right opinion is not heard in a cacophony of stupidity most people won't even admit everyone has different priorities and that determines what they think is important in the world
@@luckybones8749 And all that's needed to understand that is to take the time and assemble the puzzle. How's this method working so far? Not mocking, just curious.
"I didn't like Rand's personality so I wrote him a new one." Cool! That's another show I can add to the "never watch this shit" list, along with the rings of power, the daredevil reboot, Halo, and anything Star Wars.
"It felt only natural (to us) that an adaptation of the author's work would reflect what the world actually looks like. "- The creators of "The Rings of Power" That's an actual quote. Felt natural did it? I have a hard time believing these corporate zombies have had a natural feeling in their lives. I imagine any actual thoughts and emotions they might feel have to be heavily edited in post-production before they are allowed to experience them.
Galadriel can be a strong female character without trying to be some warrior. There are plenty of other traits that make a woman strong other than fighting and brawn. Beauty, wisdom, compassion, and lest we forget her actual elven magical powers. Hell, her HAIR is SACRED. And look at it in these pictures!
Also it is already stablished in the original trilogy and in the hobbit how badass she is but without loosing her beauty and elegance. I think the problem is that these "activists" that works in the studios are all land whales or ugly people from their insides and outsides that can't stand to see a beautiful woman being beautiful.
@@sheadoherty7434 They say it could catch the light of the Trees, which were before the Sun and the Moon. Fëanor, somehow, managed the same thing with Silmarills and that led to many catastrophical events of the second age.
@@INRamos13 How can you tell? She wasn't running around with a sword or standing up for her rights or doing other useles contemporary shite. I wonder if she'll be twerking in this searies? Twerking on Fingon's grave. EDIT: So apparently it's going to be Celeborn's grave. Not Fingon's. JFC...
Just finished my annual re-reading of _The Lord of the Rings_ and it makes me hate this mockery that Amazon has created, all the more. If I could with the wave of a hand erase every server containing every frame of this and cause every backup storage device spontaneously combust, and every setpiece and costume crumble into dust, I would do so. This is a heinous mockery, and there's not an artistic Hell hot enough for these people and their disgusting, nauseous "vision" to burn in.
It doesn't matter, anyway. The world of Arda is timeless, as it was by design: an entire mythology that was the product of one man's experiences, passions and genius. Do they honestly dare to presume that their half-baked polyp will be the object of discussion seventy years hence? 'The Rings of Power' will be nothing more than a sickening memory in a matter of a few dozen months, I wager; Tolkien's life's work is something that lasts because it is really bloody good, and at the end of the day that is the only guarantee of persistent interest.
I didn't plan to do a reread this year, but I sort fell into it. It's more beautiful now than the other times I have read these books. To see what's being done to these characters and this story is unbearable to me.
According to the left White women are still oppressed victims, so they didn't have to replace her, get ready for race swapped celeborn though, if he even shows up in the show at all. Amazon's ""galadriel"" is probably too much of a strong, empowered, independent wahman to need a man around.
She was beautifully described in the text... "Very tall [Galadriel and Celeborn] were, and the Lady no less tall than the Lord; and they were grave and beautiful. They were clad wholly in white; and the hair of the Lady was of deep gold… but no sign of age was upon them, unless it were in the depths of their eyes; for these were keen as lances in the starlight, and yet profound, the wells of deep memory."
It's fine, they love the cold trans Aryan type who impose their authoritarianism while fake-crying their victimhood. Had the Lady been redheaded, they'd have genocided her.
I thought Galadriel was supposed to be the antithesis of dwarves, men and orks and their warring ways, the epitome of beauty, grace, kindness, a motherly character with the hidden strength of a mother. This was a direct parallel to the world of the early 1900s where men (and Tolkien himself) went to war and witnessed all its horror and brutally where the memories of the kindness and care of their mother, sisters, wives and muses were angelic in comparison. He was never afraid to show the strength of women, who killed the Witch King? That must have been a wild piece of writing when he wrote it.
This right here truly cements for the fandom that we don’t owe these bastards even the benefit of the doubt for one single episode. Each one of those covers is blatant lore and cannon breaking. It shows us that they don’t give a damn about Tolkien’s work beyond using the name to draw people in. I say not watching this crap isn’t good enough to send a message. No we need to do more than that. Those of us that still have Amazon Prime need to stream the Fellowship of the Ring at the exact same time this piece of garbage is set to air in the fall. We’ll show them what the fandom really wants.
The solution is don't be drawn in, no one should tune into this even for an episode, as Netflix learned you keep pandering you lose money. This thing's budget is so huge unless its a mega hit they're losing millions and we can help with that by not helping them
It's the pose of a soldier in a gritty military production, all that's missing is a cigarette and a thousand yard stare. Now I may not know much about Lord of the Rings, but I'm pretty sure Galadriel was never a hardened frontline soldier!
Apart from her obvious manspreading. Did anyone notice where she helds the dagger??? It is also obvious that she had to hold the dagger on the right spot to symbolize a penis. So, manspreading and penis exhibition is o.k. if it is a female. That's true woke shit. The weirder this ideology becomes the more will be implanted on screen.
@@CplYakob TBH, Galadriel being a frontline soldier isn’t a completely invalid interpretation. It’s not unlikely that she fought in the war of wrath. The reason she and Celeborn didn’t fight in the wars in Beleriand was explicitly because the Noldor didn’t have the support of the Valar, implying she would fight when the host of Valinor came to Middle Earth. That could even make for a good flashback with Finarfin, but Hollywood isn’t going to write a wise father. What’s weird and disconcerting to me is that she’s not been shown with Celeborn, but Hollywood, unsurprisingly, has always sucked at writing happily married people. Also, I doubt Hollywood can write a woman who’s main flaw is pride. Pride is a good quality according to Hollywood.
They delved too greedily and too deep into Tolkien, and have hit a vein of mithril that marked their doom. This foe is beyond any of them. You might get away with messing with the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, but once you hit the Silmarillion, you reach something beyond ''fandom'' entirely.
All signs suggest the show will bodyswap Galadriel and Elrond. Everything they've done points to this show having been made by and for proponents of THE MESSAGE, not Tolkien fans. That is why the half billion Bezos spent on it will self-ignite when the show premieres.
I don’t know if she is that bad. Because Michael burnham is god awful horrendously terrible. Galadriel is hot, looks good as an elven warrior from dnd forgotten realms. Yea she is not Galadriel and looks like someone just teleported a dnd forgotten realms elf into Tolkien and changed her name to Galadriel. Michael is years of Star Trek failure piling up one after another hoping it would get fixed by completely destroying Star Trek. She doesn’t even resemble a character from another medium put into Star Trek. They actually got the idea for her from the Star Trek failures. Just my take, you are free to agree or disagree. Would love to hear what you think of my opinion.
I remember... long ago... before Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson's) came out. My friends and I were terrified of what havoc he might bring on our beloved world. They showed that first little teaser trailer, just the simple shot of the fellowship walking along the path over the pass around a large rock. It was a beautiful shot of beautiful mountains. It showed clearly different heights and statures of the various fellowship members. Even more than that, in that very short clip, the characters were CLEARLY recognizable for who they were. The fellowship members, the look, the outfit, the swagger (or lack thereof) was immediately apparent. My friends and I were still afraid, but we were less afraid. The more promotional material I see for Rings of Power, the MORE afraid I become.
_But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself._
They have the money to keep it going even if the audience isn’t there. I don’t see it getting cancelled at any point because this is the biggest sacrifice on the altar of woke yet.
@@adriandj3141 Which is excellent for us. If nobody's watching it, even normies pan it as being terrible, they throw good money after bad (lots of it), and they insist that it's good, eventually people will catch on to their bullsh*t, and the public trust in their brand will decrease, and they get closer to waking up. Nothing is foolproof, their narrative is in the process of collapse, slowly but surely.
The only subscription service I will pay for is HBO for sopranos, the wire, and true detective. That quality deserves it. Everything else I go straight to the high seas
Many people pay Amazon Prime fees pay not only for movies/TV, but also for free two-day shipping, grocery deliveries, and music. Unfortunately, Prime is getting more and more expensive each year too.
A quote from the cover, "Don't expect the same Galadriel." First of all, only shills and acolytes of the 'diversity and inclusion' cult believe that, and even that's debatable. I have no doubts many shills know it's not the same, but so long as they get their thirty pieces of silver, they'll tell themselves they're fine. Second and more importantly, that is _not_ Galadriel, and I am so tired of the worn-out dogmatic excuses used. "But a character changes! They're not robots!' "Oh, but thus-and-so OWN the series now! IT'S CANON!" No, that's not character change. Yes, characters change, but you have to SHOW the steps made. There's nothing shown, only declarations. With so many changes, they're not the same characters, and it's not the same story. And, no, just because some buys a label doesn't make it the same product, and those who know will point out the lack of quality. Do a search on the history of Zenith televisions, for a prime example. And as for stories, the same has happened in history. You have to do the work (gasp!) and the research (double-gasp), but there have been plenty of series which were bought out, changed, then even sometimes bought again and the alterations in between nullified Frankly, while I'm disgusted and I am outraged, I don't feel the dread I do with what's happened with Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, Marvel, DC, and so on. Genuine Tolkien fans know the true, and they are multitude. And that's really the core issue going on here. These cultist aren't devoted to rewriting all history and stories as they are trying to rewrite us. They've gone too far. The 'plebes' are uprising. So no, I am not expecting 'the same Galadriel.' I'm expecting another pile of malicious, intentional, cultist shit which they think we're going to consume. To which I say it's time to dump out the shit, and the source from which it came.
That whole "characters change" thing, especially in origin stories, is usually an excuse for the writer to write someone else's character how they want and don't course-correct until literally the final seconds of the series, provided they don't get canceled first.
If I hear the words "Strong female character" one more time, I don't know what I'll do. This is why I love the Studio Ghibli movies and their variety of female characters. There are the young girls, like Kiki and the two sisters from My Neighbor Totoro who are out and exploring the world around them. There are the wise, older, and gentle mothers and mother figures. And there are tough fighters such as San from Princess Mononoke and Dola from Castle in the Sky. I miss the more feminine ladies who knew that kindness, hard work, wisdom, and gentleness are all strengths, not weaknesses.
Exactly. It's like they see femininity as a weakness. They're pushing the notion that women must act, dress and fight like men to be strong leaders and characters, and I hate it.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y I absolutely loved Elle Woods from Legally Blonde. She was hyper feminine and girly, but she was also kind, intelligent, and faced pretty much any obstacle with hard work and optimism. I don't see characters like her anymore and it's a shame. Femininity needs to be celebrated, not stamped out.
Wheel of Time is the saddest victim of modern cinema. As a diehard fan, I wish they never even tried rather than use it as a platform for their political agenda and garbage writing.
Mat is being recast but unless they lose all the writers too I can't see it helping. It was painful to watch but I had Amazon prime and have the books😑 shit it was.
@@calvinjohnstone2664 I thought the casting was generally good. Where they lost me is the lazy writing [Perrin's fucking wife🤮] and the utter destruction of the world that Jordan created, and the philosophy he explored. It's all been chucked in the bin to embrace these weird postmodernist views that the sexes are exactly the same.
I say that pretty much anytime they adapt something I like or love anymore. Foundation trashed, WoT trashed, Halo trashed, Marvel trashed, Star Wars trashed, Shannara trashed, Star Trek trashed, next up LotR etc etc. If you love a book series or comic series or game or whatever you should be fighting to keep any adaptations from happening as the chances of the adaptation not being trash at this point is very low. I hope WoT will get cancelled quickly. If someone who actually loved the show was the show runner and the studio would fund it but keep their hands out of it and let that person work then it could be amazing but both of those things just do not happen nowadays. They hire people who were not fans of the material to make it and then force changes upon the material even if the changes completely eviscerate the source material. There are reasons why series like WoT and LotR have sold millions upon millions of books. They are great stories. No reason to fuck with already proven great stories. Just write it with a few cuts for time and pacing and what have you and you are good to go. A lot like Peter Jackson did. He cut things and changes a few things for pacing issues and to condense the list of characters but he kept the important thing......the heart and soul of the story and main characters.
@@adarian nailed it on the head. The SOUL of the characters is missing. I could forgive any number of changes, but they scooped out the essence of the characters and replaced them with.... something else. It's like the world without the Dark One that Rand created.
"They put in Hobbits because people wanted Hobbits. But then don't make them look like Hobbits so what's the point?" This is something that shouldn't make sense but for some reason they keep doing shit like this like it's normal and make sense.
No. They put in hobbits because THEY wanted hobbits. They don't care about the fans, they just want a vehicle for their shitty ideas. If they actually put stuff in that the fans wanted, we'd be getting a decent depiction of the Second Age
@@BlackMasterRoshi Hey representation matters. After this show little black kids everywhere can say "When I grow up I to can be a hobbit" and that's a good thing?
The hobbits are in to attract the normies, imo. Think back to the teaser: 'before the ring, before the fellowship, before the king'. Basically 'memba the PJ trilogy? memba the hobbits?'.
@@mariusionita266 Yeah, and did you read what it says on the Empire cover? “We are the traditional Tolkien little guy”. This is cringe level 1000 for making it somehow palatable for the masses while sucking the soul out of it altogether.
Remember Galadriel's speech in the first movie: "Instead of a king you would have a queen! Terrible like the dawn, treaserous like the sea, stronger than the foundations of the earth! All men would love me, and despair." That was one of the best scenes in the trilogy. Powerful in a feminine queen-like way. Today it would be sexist: That she talks about enticing men by making them love her. "That's a sexist trope!" Instead she must look masculine and ugly now.
Agree with Disparu, espicilly about "appealing to influencers". I don't like the word "influencers" either. In ways to win arguments, this is called "appeal to authority". It's not an accident that this is the last strategy for your ex-gf to win an argument (ie., "oh yea, well your mom agrees with me!") and the first strategy for corporations. Corporations are BUILT on appeals to authority. I would argue that my generation's affirmitive action debates and this generation's diversity hires are nothing more than extensions of the appeal to authority. Here believe me, because I am educated and your boss has become: Here believe me because this person has your skin color (or at least a skin color our culture says you can't doubt).
Great point. Thank you. I noticed that people online tend to say this to me a lot when I critisize some show or movie. And I make good points. Their last defence is "well the actors in it like it."
Brilliant summary gents. Really enjoying Disparu's observations and delivery. Not a huge Tolkien fan, but hell will freeze over before I watch two minutes of this tosh.
For the sake of y’all’s sanity, avoid the show at all costs. We need to avoid Disney Star Wars at all costs too. The reason these fucking things are being made is because people keep paying for them. These people don’t care about writing a good story with compelling characters, delivering breathtaking action sequences, or pleasing the fans. All they care about is money and that’s what they’ve been getting. The sequel trilogy made money, The Mandalorian made money, and these other shows are gonna make money. Stop paying for this shit. Pay for stuff like Top Gun: Maverick, The Northman, Arcane, and Invincible. The more people realize this, the more good stuff we get out of it.
The last Star Wars movie I saw was "The Nostalgia Awakens" and I didn't even want to watch it. I didn't watch anything after that and you know what? I feel just fine. I shan't be watching this shit or any new Star Trek or Dr. Who or Willow or any other 80's Nostalgia Bait cash grabs and it feels great. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I feel like I got out of an abusive relationship and can move on with my life. I wish more people would just stop wasting time and money on shit just because they grew up on the name. All the old stuff is still there and readily available. Watch "Empire Strikes Back". Watch "Fellowship of the Ring". Watch "Willow". Skip all this new, corporate garbage. It's not that hard to quit. People just won't do it, though.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm They’re hoping to change how multimillion dollar corporations run their businesses. Nothings gonna change. I’d love for that to happen, but it won’t unless they stop paying for their crappy products and these corporations lose tons of money. The more that happens, the more likely we’ll get products made by people who really care about the writing and put in the fucking work to generate success. I know boycotts sound extreme, but it’s our only option at this point. We’ve already tried convincing them to change with these videos, we’ve already tried pointing out the flaws in their ways, and we’ve already tried discussing why politics have no place in film. We’ve already had this conversation, now it’s time to punish them for their decision.
@@nickcharles1284 Nope. Just what feminism was designed to be from the beginning. The deconstruction of womanhood into the image of what they perceive men to be.
@@2012sonorafIn It really hasn't been. Wanting the same civic rights, certainly has been there from the beginning. But feminism isn't about women assuming the behaviors of men.
@@nickcharles1284 Well they've definitely changed feminism. It used to be for equality and they actually used their movement for good. Now it's a bunch of women whining about how awful men are. Yes women go through hardships but blaming it on the majority of men isn't going to fix it, it just makes them look pathetic.
@@gianna526 I'm sure there is a small contingent of feminists who do this. But it is a mistake to present them as representative. Most feminist do not hate men, for simply being men. They hate what patriarchy does to men, and work to end patriarchy. They work to end gender roles that hurt men and women. Thus liberating women from patriarchy.
"Don't expect the same Galadriel".....but we LOVED the original Galadriel. She was a VERY strong, memorable character. These people are mental and I'm going to love seeing this bomb spectacularly
It’s interesting. Those in the business try to label the guys in this video as toxic bigot fans interfering with progressive “ideas”. Where as we see them as shields protecting the stories we hold dear. Keep it up fellas, you’re doing the lords work.
Each image of this series somehow makes it worse. Just those 3 images alone you have a hobbit with a dead sheep on his head, two dwarves who look like their heads are photoshopped on there badly, and Galadriel looking like a dude because they are just really really trying to sell this warrior Galadriel so hard and destroy any sense of femininity she had.
Funny: In my business I'd call a 'PR disaster' having someone crap all over my examining couch after sticking my finger up their bottom! (thank God I'm retired) I guess in a way this 'PR disaster' is much the same thing, just as unpleasant but on a far larger scale - Amazon has sh1t the bed with this one!
If Amazon was putting out an original fantasy series without the Lord of the Rings franchise tag attached to it there wouldn't be any controversy. This is the problem with entertainment today, they don't believe they create anything new that can stand on its own merit, they cling to established characters and franchises and then don't understand why fans get upset when they twist them to fit a political agenda.
Exactly. Write the same story you are writing for RoP, but make it an original series. Let it stand on its own merit. They use existing IPs to besmirch existing IPs. The comparison with Thanos is inevitable.
what's really sad, I live in germany and I watched lotr when I was a little kid around 6 or 7 and it made my childhood sooo much more interesting it made me alot more creative, but the more people I meet now through school and college I realize how little people here in germany seem to have seen it. Like they heard about it but they are all like: I don't like fantasy so I probably don't like that.... I'm just happy that my mother loves traveling and was able to speak english and read the book so also showed us the movies.... my childhood wouldn't have been the same without it
It's also kind of telling that the Hobbits cover shows two females and one 'hobbit of color'... It reminds me of Sniper Elite 5, when in between mission 1 and 2 you're in a French Resistance camp for a brief intermission, and the 6 people there consist of 3 women, one of them black, and 3 men, two of them black. One out of 6 is actually a white male - in the Normandy, France, in 1944... In the beginning of mission 4 they're doing the same thing again, so it's not coincidence. This might be subtle, but it is directed at subconsciously manipulating us into changing our historical reality into something else that fits 'the Message'.
As someone who’s not a LOTR fan, the Empire covers didn’t look that bad, and the first one looked kind of cool. If I didn’t know the little bit I do about the franchise, I wouldn’t see anything wrong, besides the “not your grandma’s Galadriel” text box, which just oozes crappy writing trying to be “revolutionary.” However, from what others have said, this Amazon series has already committed some lore heresies, and the writers are proud of it. When fans say “we want lore-accurate fantasy races” the producers reply “what? You want only white people?!? Racists.” To me, this indicates that they aren’t listening to their fans’ actual concerns and are going to tear up the lore because it’s “rooted in white supremacy” in their minds. They’re probably going to do mass-produced for TV level writing too, which is the antithesis to everything I’ve heard about Tolkien’s top-shelf, deliberate, quality storytelling.
It will suck because the messaging they insert (racial, gender, all the various justices) is more important to the producers, directors and writers than plot. They do not care if it is bad (to fans and new viewers) because quality is not the point. Messaging is. So every black woman will be uber. The bad guys will be white. The plots will tie into 2022 current themes (immigration, climate). Its all the same, its all bad, and it is not going to stop.
As somebody who is a LotR fan, but has had interest in this show, I had no idea who the character in the first cover was meant to be. But then, having accepted that it was a young Galadriel, and remembering little of her in the Silmarillion so willing to see something different -- the cover still failed to interest me. The Galadriel Frodo met was something amazing. This looks like a generic turmoiled action hero to my eyes. It's a subversion of my expectations, because she's not that glorious, ancient, all-but-holy being at the center of Lothlorian -- But the cover doesn't speak to me of adding anything to that idea. And standing on its own legs, as it then must, it looks generic to me. It's a glowering woman with a dagger. I can get that by walking into the kitchen. :>
You should watch the Lord of the Rings movies. They're really really good movies, even if you aren't into fantasy. If you do, you'll see why this depiction of Galadriel is so off the mark. If you don't, I can tell you that Galadriel isn't some badass warrior princess strong female doesn't need no man. That doesn't mean she's weak or anything, actually, she is extremely powerful, otherwordly, and unknowable, and one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth. Everyone who meets her ends up basically worshipping her because of how magnificent and awe-striking she is. She's genuinely a horrible choice for a main character because of this, and she works much better as a character how she is in Lord of the Rings: a side character to a much weaker, more grounded, and relatable main. What Amazon is doing is like making their main character Jesus; nobody knows what Jesus thinks or how he preforms miracles, people can only just watch him in amazement and listen to the wisdom he shares. Making Galadriel the main basically takes away that mystical quality she has, ya know?
To add another insult layer there are places in middle earth with people that look different. It’s different geography but I guess they forget sunburns are a legit problem for fair skin in constant sunlight
They can make this kind of trash as much as they want. It'll never stop the original source material from existing, no matter how much it enrages them.
@@JeremiahWMartin I doubt that. Besides, how are they going to "amend" the millions of copies that already exist? The original work literally cannot be erased at this point.
@@RevolverRez It can for those who don't know of it and don't happen to have the circumstances to. It's sort of like most people today not knowing that they've lost much of their individual strengths and intellects, having been domesticated by "civilization" over thousands of years. Sure, collectively we may be stronger than ever, but individually on average across all humanity, we have become much weaker. I mention this as I think it relates to the mindset of liking and wanting to be seen as liking what's perceived as popular and good. watch?v=SOgKwAJdeUc
Again, what's so frustrating about this, is that's there's literally thousands of modern fantasy novels which feature diversity and current era themes which they could have adapted. Hell I've written a series myself!
Love to see you guys do Wheel of Time which you mentioned several times. The show is SUCH an abomination. Love to hear your thoughts on how they could they take such great source material and well developed character arcs, throw it all out the window, and replace it with a completely different woke diverse sexual bonk fest with no story line, trashed magic rules, and boring characters.
I cancelled my Amazon Prime a few months ago. That is how we all need to react to this mess. There are other places to shop and prime video is pretty shit anyways.
EXACTLY! I roll my eyes every time someone gloats about how "no one will watch" or "the ratings are a disaster". Folks, the number of viewers don't matter in the streaming space since that business model is based on membership. If you are paying for Disney+ or Amazon etc, they already have your money so they don't care if you refuse to watch the content.
@@christimacc yes, but, these new shows are about recruiting new members. They don't have enough members to justify the costs, so they need new offerings in order to entice people to sign up. That's why Disney is pumping out content, because not enough people have signed up for it. But, all the new stuff costs money to produce, so if they flop and they don't get more members through the new stuff they are doubly losing because they didn't have enough revenue in the first place. Amazon has plenty of money, so this may just be a write off. But, they are doing the same thing of trying to recruit more members, though it may not be as necessary because they braid the funding of folks who want prime shipping, music, and the video. However, they still want more members and the shows are intended to recruit those. If this flops, they won't get more members and it will be seen as a failure, even if they maintain their current membership. Current membership doesn't justify the extra expense of a costly show like this.
Especially considering they are ignoring the best character in the series by ruining mats storyline, to focus on the Aes Sedai who are just the fucking worst
I have a list of novels in my head that would make great cable series. 10-15 years ago I would tell people about them and to read them, and say “I hope someone in Hollywood picks this up”. Ha, today I will not even write their titles online lest an intern notice and send them down the shitchute through which so many properties have been flushed
I'm amazed there is a season 2. No one talked about it two weeks after it ended. Even the ones who supposedly liked it. It was that terrible. The Boys, people talk about. Teacher same thing. But Woke of Time? Nada.
@@dbsommers1 season 2 was greenlit before season 1 was finished airing. I guess they figure they were ~90 million into it already, might as well see if it has legs? I loved the wheel of time books and promised myself I'd watch all of season one before judging it - the TV show is trash, I won't waste the time to watch season 2.
@@randommcranderson5155 season one was such a stark show of contempt for the source material that I refused to finish watching it and started rereading the books instead. It's not that it's just bad. It's actively trying to retroactively ruin the series. It's malicious.
I'm currently rewatching the whole series of _Star Trek: Voyager._ The ship's capitain - the person at the top of command and responsible for the most important decisions - is a woman. The chief of engineering is a mixed race human-klingon female. The chief of security is a black vulcan man. The first oficer and second in command is Native American. One prominent ensign who is part of the main crew is Asian. There are too, of course, people of other species. However, none of these characters feel forced and they do not give me the vibes of tokenism. The stories come first. To be fair, the show also has a human/borg female who was clearly conceived for being "pleasing on the eyes for you," as someone might say. But her character is also extremely intelligent, has a strong personality and is very resourceful, adding much more to the series than just her looks. The diversity is there. The difference is that it is not pounded in your head at every second. It is not the main focus of anything - it is just there, on the background, helping the world to seem believable and sending messages, sure, but in a quiet, passive way. The conflict in almost every episode revolves around some ethical dilemma - a staple of good science fiction and of (old) _Star Trek,_ in particular. I love the show. It's great. That's how you do diversity properly. But the ideologues in charge of these franchises, today, have no interest in building anything of worth. They only seek to sew divisiveness and to destroy. I fully accept and embrace Janeway as an excellent starship captain, alongside Kirk and Picard. But, no, that's not good enough for these people - in fact, they costumarily pretend that a strong female character like her never existed. They can't admit that, because their goal is not to empower anyone, but to spread a sense of helplessness and distrust. And then we get Supergirl whining that she isn't respected because she is a woman. Supergirl, whining. It's dumb and would be funny, if it weren't tragic. Anyway, if you want to see a show with a good representation of strong women, throw _Supergirl_ in the garbage and watch _Voyager._ As for this LotR spin-off thing, I couldn't care less (even though I love fantasy, in general).
the one white guy on the crew was a bumbling idiot. star trek went very hard with diversity and proto woke messaging when they came back with tng. some of it is ok, some is heavy handed.
If you didn’t mention the race of the characters in Voyager, you wouldn’t notice it at all, until some aspect of that character’s race and culture came up in the story at a relevant point. That is properly done storytelling, and shows real diversity- talented people from different backgrounds sharing a common purpose, moral system, and guiding principles, using their differences to aid in common pursuits while disagreeing and allowing dissent.
The original Star Trek show was diverse as hell. So was the next generation. There is diversity in Tolkiens world but they just aren't using it correctly, Easterlings and people from the southern parts were of different ethnicities and they could have chose to include that but didn't.
I read most of the WoT series 30+ years ago and I remembered enough to see the series was utter hot garbage from the first episode; couldn't bring myself to watch any more. Presently wrapping up book 5 on a re-read, and while I'm stoked to re-immerse myself in an awesome series with well developed characters, I'm even more mad at how Amazon butchered the story.
@@vb6548 Women certainly ruled the roost in the books, which for me didn't in and of itself detract from the story, but the men were portrayed as having considerably more agency than what I gleaned was going to come from the show. That said, I concede I stopped after the first episode, so maybe I'm off base with my assessment.
I'm glad the one guy brought in comparisons to the Wheel of Time. As a longtime reader of that series (I read the first book when it was published, and bought every book as soon as it was released after that), the TV series just took a huge shit on the story. I was seriously disappointed in the fact that I had given it the benefit of the doubt only because Brandon Sanderson said he'd accepted the changes under the idea that he felt they represented a different iteration of the turning of the Wheel rather than the one presented in the books. After learning more about the storyline, there was just no justification for many of the changes under that idea. Rafe Judkins bastardized the story, and should be banned from ruining the story further. I only hope that Harriet (Robert Jordan's widow) authorizes another telling of the story more in keeping with the actual novels. Or at least, allow other authors to keep on the storyline similar to the way Robert E. Howard's estate authorized other authors to continue Conan books. I'd love to see books written about the Age of Legends, or even ones set in the 4th Age, or maybe even how we got from our current age to the next one.
I remember seeing the beginning of the trailer in a movie theater, and I was like "Silmarillion movie! YES PLEASE!" The more I watched, the more I realized how far my assumption was from the truth. Also the female dwarf is not accurate to the book, as they are supposed to be hardly distinguishable from their male counterparts.
Also ethnic and racial groups in lotr actually followed logic and weren't a mixing pot of different colours and species generally (and the people who lived north of the equator were pale and those who lived further south were darker as per real life).
The Galadriel- wannabe (That's my official term for her, similar to how the Drinker refers to Jodie Whitaker on 'Doctor Who' as "The Doctor Impersonator") is actually "Manspreading." I thought SJWs hated that? Oh, wait, never mind: They only hate when men do it. A good point is also made that the Galadriel- wannabe's facial expression isn't the look of a heroine; It's the facial expression of a villain, perhaps about to have someone drawn and quartered for daring to suggest she's overstepping her authority. In cover 2, Dwarf Princess Whateverhernameis does indeed look fake, ridiculously Photoshopped. The "Harfoot" guy's hair looks so ridiculous, and the two women with him look like they could just be generic "Background villagers" from just about any fantasy or period- piece movie or show. This last stunt of Amazon's to try and garner support through the use of "Influencers" reeks of desperation. Did they seriously not figure out that the fans would see them doing this as a blatant attempt to buy off and bribe their way into getting fan support? I really feel like the inevitable failure of 'Rings of Power' could be the thing that finally delivers the death- blow to the "Woke" entertainment movement. The one- two combo of 'Batwoman''s long- overdue cancellation and the massive success of 'Top Gun: Maverick' show that that toxic movement in the entertainment industry is on life support; Maybe this could be what finally pulls the plug?
The problem is, the people pushing "woke" actually believe in it. They are not doing it because they think it will earn them more money. It's very hard to persuade people who believe in something that it is wrong - if anything, failure makes them try harder. I suspect their takeaway from this will be "in the future we need to spend more on Public Relations".
@@jrd33 Yes. However, the thing to understand is, these woke movies and shows are made by studios that at the end of the day are corporations just like any other, and corporations are run by stockholders whose main priority is ensuring that the companies they invested in remain profitable. And, lately, it seems like many of those stockholders are starting to grow tired of their companies hemorrhaging money on all these woke projects that fail so spectacularly and are starting to exercise their authority to stop it. It's what led to "Batwoman"'s cancellation, it's why several Disney execs have recently been seeking to get the company's dullard of a CEO Bob Chapeck fired because his political posturing has cost the company so much (Both in terms of money, and in terms of public goodwill), and when 'Rings of Power' fails, I get the feeling it'll have SERIOUS consequences for Amazon.
I sincerely hope you are right. My suspicion is, however, that the best case scenario is that the woke crowd will be suppressed but only for a time, until they repackage themselves under a new name and new look. We have to remain vigilant.
Guy 1: "Allright guys, we need to sell this but we want to have more diversity and representation as well. How do we make this show?" Guy 2: "How about we stay true to the lore of Tolkien, but with lore appropriate women and people of color in the stories we want to tell? That way we can create a good story while normalizing women and people of different ethnicities and skin color". Guy 3: "Nah we'll just shoehorn random women and people of color into it and rewrite entire characters from Tolkien's previous lore and present a 'these people are better' view. I'm absolutely sure people will love that!".
They literally cannot do thing 2 because the required woke messaging is what is important to them and its presence necessarily leads to 3. They do not care about plot or legacy.
Different Galadriel. There is only one. And that one was great in the movie. She was badass. She was just not a warrior, which is fine because she doesn`t need that. They just never understand. And I agree, if the product is good you don`t need premature damage control. This show needs it, propably because they know real fans won`t like it. Just like the last few Star Wars things. Just like Doctor Who, just like Star Trek. I remember Doom 2016. Yes thats a game, but similar thinking: people were not sure about it before it came out because they basically didn`t release anything about the single player. But they didn`t panic. They`ve been confident in the product and when it came out? It spoke for itself. Everyone loved it, so it sold itself.
My qualm is just that this ISN'T Tolkien. Art nowadays is reduced to what we have in our current vernacular: "content" almost inevitably part of "franchises" etc. Tolkien's body of work is already laid in stone. Whatever this thing is that Amazon is doing exists (of course) outside of it. While it won't take away or change what he did I'll copy and paste my comment and another users comments in these regards to expound on this: "....I disagree with their approach to creating volumes of their own original material and putting it forward with money, platform, and involvement with specific Tolkien entities, and putting it forward in a way that makes the cultural consciousness accept this as part of Tolkien's body of works. Creating their own story in the large gaps between the connect-the-dots and all because a studio wanted to acquire a name that would make them the big bucks. That's why this all started. Amazon reached out to people for that and no matter how passionate anyone on this project is, that's how it started, and it goes forward with a huge company with lots of shareholders and stakeholders and producers and corporate executives to enforce that. And to anyone who might counter-argue that The Lord of the Rings was born from a similar request by Tolkien's publisher, a comparison of both situations will immediately expose the VERY wide gap that exists between those two situations. [This show] is going to be far easier to digest for the general public than taking the time to go through The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales so I just hope whatever happens it doesn't subplant the general cultural consciousness of the source material." From Anthony: "How much can you change Tolkien's work before it becomes something else? They may have created a wonderfully produced story. However, the rewrites and additions have made it something other than Tolkien. They should own that and give it another name. I consider it expensive fan fiction." So those are some comments I've made on another video and here's a summation of all of that: I think some people are confused as to how someone can respond so adversely with only "a teaser trailer" etc. But the thing here is that the main problem isn't that "this could be good" (and what do you mean by that? That the story as an entity unto itself might be internally consistent and execute the theoretical and technical aspects of storytelling well?) Some (arguably most) people respond so adversely because they disagree with the fundamental philosophy and approach of this show. This ISN'T Tolkien's original material. Tolkien's world is Tolkien's world; written and done already, and can't be franchised in the same way Marvel, Star Wars, Harry Potter (franchised into "The Wizarding World"), and even Star Trek, etc. have been. Who is Disa, Halbrand, Arondir, Bronwyn, Theo, Eleanor Brandyfoot, Adar, and more? Off the top of my head that's 7 original characters that are completely made up doing things that were never written. And then, whether you agree with it or not, existing characters get divisive interpretations. And other elements get divisive decisions. This is not Tolkien. With what we know already we know it's a far cry from Tolkien.
The weirdest part about this whole thing to me is that they are clearly aware of how shit their show is. So I'm like... well you had all the money in the world to make this thing... so why did you make something you already knew was going to be shit? That's what I don't understand from a business point of view. Ignoring all the woke garbage, the political messaging, the representation and diversity nonsense bla bla... like... why do you make something knowing everyone is gonna hate it? I don't get it. I don't believe for a second that when they started working on this project that it wasn't already clear to them how it was going to be perceived. By that point, they had already seen enough bad examples from other franchises... It makes no sense. What I do know is that I will not pay to watch this. And after I watched it, I will probably need a lot of drinks and will lock myself in a room and watch the LOTR extended version 3 times in a row to make me forget about the shitfest this show is going to be.
Thank God i made my peace with LotR a long time ago. I closed that last chapter/film and will remember for what it was. nothing in this world, regardless of who owns the rights will ever change this story. its untouchable even if they say its canon. its not and never will be. and millions if not a billion people share my opinion and thats all that matters. I truly, truly believe that LotR is the only IP in this World that will never get altered even if they try it, it wont work. they cant comprehent the lore or the world and history of Tolkiens creation. also those promo pictures are an insult. jesus christ.
I have the same with many stories. Star Wars ended after E6, Star Trek ended after Enterprise, LoTR ended after Return of the King, MCU ended after Endgame. All the supposed sequels and other adaptations are so woefully unfaithful to the material that they cannot exist in the same world and therefore do not tarnish the original works.
I just hear that these pre-hobbits from the series will be nomadic tribe. Ok, lets find out if this makes sense ok? :) I know pre-Shire hobbits lived in 3 different parts of Middle-Earth. One clan, Fallohides was from the south borders of Mirkwood (Legolas forest) they were the most brave of the clans and most skilled in archery, and friends with elves, the second clan - Stoors, ancestors of Gollum - was living in the area of Anduin (big river the Fellowship travels in the film). They were fishermen like Jackson's presented it and mostly friends with men of east borders of Gondor. The least important clan were Harfoots and they AFAIR got their settlements close to Dwarven kingdom. But not Moria, AFAIR other realm in Misty Mountains. They were most skilled as craftsmen and farmers. Not a one of these clans ever lived in tropical clime btw. The most south these clans lived was the land with clime similar to north Italy. But all of those clans got their long time settlements, in different regions of MiddleEarth - they were settle people, not nomadic. They knew agriculture so they could not be nomadic. Agriculture require settlement for long time! They started to travel west BECOUSE they were in fear of Darkeness spreading from Dol Guldur, thats how they ended in lands of previously demolished kingdom of Arnor under the rule of king Argeleb II who gave them their land - future Shire. So they never were nomadic tribe, they BECOME one for a time becouse of sauronic Darkness.
This reminds me so much of what was done to The Watch series based on Pratchett's books. People who aren't very good writers have an idea of a story they want to tell, and force it into an already known series. They convince a company to fund it because "huge fan base", and proceed to piss off the majority of said fan base.
The best thing about Galadriel was that she was this elegant feminine beauty that everybody respected, she had power, but she knew she didnt have to use it. Honestly. These people would make biopic of the Queen with her flown into the fucking falklands with a bowie in her teeth.
Gimli was overjoyed to get three strands of hair as a gift from Galadriel...this faux elf would have been attacked for trying to gift the split-end ridden mop on her head.
To finish the image, they might as well have handed her a six-pack and had her belching the Elvish alphabet. I worked as a gardener for years, so we're talking about as manual a class of profession as it gets, often taking breaks in the field, where my colleagues and I would find a seat on anything like a rock, tree trunk, in a wheelbarrow, etc. I remember well male colleagues sitting like that, but never female colleagues - no matter how 'earthy' they were. We just don't do it, because to do so would be considered a blatant 'invitation' (you know what I mean). Women have more self-respect than that, and Galadriel is showing none here. I just don't understand Amazon at all, and I'm glad I'm no customer of theirs.
Exactly even as children young girls are told not to sit like that (even just so they don't get used to it in case they happen to be wearing a dress and do it inadvertently).
_"Yeah, we didn't like that character's personality in the books, so we just wrote them a new one."_ And these are the people who turn around & complain about "fan entitlement"!
Sméagol Gollum is from the precursors of Hobbits and his people only come into the story at the end of Numenor with Gollum appearing well after the war that overthrew Sauron and Isildur’s death.
@@knotengajin7359 tree beard in the books mentions cant remember if its a poem or song about all the races as he didnt believe them. The dragon had never smelled a hobbit before, One of the reasons bilbo was picked other than the fact hobbits are small and stealthy.
Totally agree. If Tolkien were the first fanbase that totally got pissed on, the reaction may not have been so bad. However, we (collective nerd-dom) have been watching as Marvel...DC...Ghostbusters...Star Wars...Cowboy Bebop...Star Trek...Dr Who...WoT...etc. ad infinitum have been abused, so we all know what's coming.
LOTR elves are elegant and refined. They wouldn't be caught dead in a pose like this, let alone a female elf.
Imagine the marketing for the new downton abbey movie with granny violet and lady mary squatting and flexing their sleeve tats.
I recall that time Finrod Felagund tore a werewolf’s throat out with his teeth, while butt ass naked.
Can you imagine the haughty elves even thinking about sitting like that.
It'S nAwT tHe SaMe LoRe As ToLkIeN, wHy CaN't YoU jUsT aCcEpT cHaNgE?
We got Rule 34 for this kind of elves. ;-)
I could only imagine the horror on Tolkien's face if he could see how an American corporation mutilated his lifework
Honestly that already happened with The Hobbit.
But we got LOTR. That's enough.
@@darthkek1953 LotR wasn't exactly true to the books.
The "Industry" with chems, toxins and such poisons and burning nature. That's what LoTR is about preserving nature against the "Machine". It was written in a totally different time as well.
@@thomasbecker9676 How is LOTR was not "exactly" true to the books have anything to do with "But we got LOTR. That's enough" ?
@@thomasbecker9676 Piss poor deflection, it was a masterpiece with heart. This though?
Don’t buy into “watch it before judging.” It is THEIR job to entice you to watch the show and right now, no one is remotely enticed to look in Amazon’s direction
The most common comment about Kenobi...
Exactly. I hate when a trailer and marketing make a product look shite but then people tell you not to judge just on the marketing. They don't seem to understand that's exactly what marketing is for. So the customer can judge if they want to pay for it or not.
@@darkwoods1954 To be fair, Marketing is often done by different people than the ones who actually make the show/movie and very often, they muck it up. So I'm usually the one who is willing to give something the benefit of the doubt, even when the trailers were shitty, because it wouldn't be quite fair to shun the creator's work due to some brainless marketing people's (and yes, marketing people are often fucking brain-less). Or, rather, I simply don't watch trailers and try to go into a film as impartial as possible.
Also, sometimes, the trailer looks good but when you watch the film, all the scenes are in a completely different context or, what's worse, you realize that they put all the good/funny scenes in the trailer and the rest of the movie is dull as fuck.
Same thing with the making excuses for crap. The customer is always right, and shouldn't settle for less than the best. If they want to get paid, that is.
Also, "if you don't like it, don't watch"
Why would you make a show, then tell people not to watch it?
1. Not only would Galadriel never sit like that, male elves wouldn’t either.
2. Why do the Hobbits look like they are from the slums of London? The Hobbits as a race have never been dirt poor. They have always been able to do well for themselves and are incredibly neat and tidy.
3. We all know what the issue is with the Dwarf cover.
I could imagine Rog sitting like that.
They clearly missed how Hobbits' design were made to show down to Earth attitude but mixed with "Well Off Gentleman living his life and enjoying the quiet of a small village (and his storage has one year of food supply)".
Heck, Sam who was a gardener had a suit - ruffled, dirty a bit from work - but still to signify the sense of dignity, prosperity and comfort prevalent among every Hobbit.
3. That she doesn't have a beard?
@@noahbody9875 yeah that's it...
Did anyone else notice how weird the dwarves looked? Especially the female one, why does it look so strange? Like something about the quality, it looks like a bad painting of them. And yeah I was shocked by the hobbits. But I guess they can make up whatever they want because apparently hobbits are doing shit in the second age now. I really feel like they just said "Oh wait, LOTR and Hobbit both have hobbits, and everyone loved that. So we'd better have them here or casual fans of the films will be sad"
"Don't expect the same Galadriel." They probably think Tolkien's Galadriel was just a weak wallflower, instead of an immensely powerful being who simply had self control and so didn't use her powers. She literally had a scene demonstrating that she could've taken the ring from Frodo and been even more powerful than Sauron, but she didn't
Exactly. It shows they don't really know the lore.
Galadriel with the Ring would have been the most powerful being upon the face of Middle Earth. Sauron with the Ring is more powerful still.
SJWs know nothing about self-control.
In Peter Jacksons Hobbit Trilogy when the white council Assaults Dol Guldur.
She is at least on par with Saruman and Gandalf in that scene. Obviously Amazon missed that.
Or when the Fellowship meet her none except Aragorn and Legolas are able to withstand the gaze of her eyes. And the only reason Aragorn and Legolas could is because they were both sure of themselves. She looks into eyes of each member of the fellowship and in seconds she is able to accurately read each one of them and foretell their actions.
"Nah, it will be fine."
I'm sure they'll just insult the fandom and call us all toxic women hating man babies. They'll do great.
You forgot "ray-cyst"... but they didn't!
If the vast, vast majority of what they produce weren't so 100% gynocentric in focus, storyline, and editing, their own misandry wouldn't be so blatantly obvious, but it is.
@@Philistine47 we already got racizism because of the dwarf queen.
Already happening with Kenobi, we're all racist now.
I was willing to give this show a chance, but after this no fucking way these people can't write a story to save their miserable little lives. Tolkien makes them look like complete morons with his skill. If Shakespeare fans are out there, you better protect his work as your lives depend on it.
"Dont expect the same Galadriel."
See, now THAT right there is the problem.
But they WANT to be subversive, you see? For them, it’s not a problem at all.
"Don't expect...Galadriel"
"Don't expect... *LotR" *fixed
Don’t expect anything that way you be let down 🤷🏻
Yeah I don't get this. You don't need to mess around with classics. The original LOTR films were successful because they were as faithful as possible to the source material. The books are timeless in every sense. Adaptations are fine, but there is absolutely no need to change anything about the original characters, they're just asking for trouble coz essentially what they're saying is Tolkiens work needs to be improved upon. It doesn't.
I'm bothered still by the reactions to PoC being part of the cast coz that seems like overreacting to me, they're adding new characters not replacing anyone we know. But still, the whole tone of this thing seems to be coming from a place of arrogance and i get why that bothers people.
We could spent days talking about how bad this is but it's simple. Tolkien would not have written young Galadriel to be like an 2022 tiktok activist. And that's where this ends for me
"A tiktok activist" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, that sums it up
Lets put into question the word "young" here. Galadriel Was among the first Eldar to ever live. By the Events of the Show she already is thousands of years old
Perfectly said.
YUNG GANGSTADRIEL
Well... like a TikTok activist IMAGINES themselves to be. Not a one of them is competent enough to even put on armour, much less get in a fight.
Me: "I don't think Celeborn is even appearing in the Amazon Series"
My friend: "Good for him, they spared him the indignity"
He was left out of John Boorman's 1970s *LotR* script too, but for a different reason: Boorman's script had Galadriel and Frodo getting it on (as well as the rest of the Fellowship trying to get into her pants). So this isn't the first time Hollywood's wanted to take Galadriel down a path nobody ever wanted or asked for.
@@reidmason2551 that script sounds like a comic series for rule 34.
@@reidmason2551 well, that's a thing I didn't need to imagine.
@@reidmason2551 wtf
@@reidmason2551 Hot take: Hollywood is trash and good media is the exception.
You know , even Lenny Henry himself, in a stand-up skit in the 90s, spoke about attending an all-black-cast production of HAMLET alongside an African ambassador (Nigerian possibly, can't remember the exact country) , and the ambassador says,
" What the f*** are all these black people doing in Denmark?"
Is nobody considering how ridiculous this pandering is to people outside their box?
no they don´t think. that´s the problem. they are so into the mentality that it HAS to be divers ect. that they don´t stop and think if it makes sense
There is even a black actor playing Olaf in the Frozen Musical in Hamburg. I mean, nothing against the actor, but this is a tale of a Nordic Kingdom.
The writers don’t understand the character of Galadriel. Her story is quite intriguing - leaving home with her brothers, learning magic from an angel/god, and learning the hard lessons that allowed her to outlive her family. But OK: make her a man.
Cause women want to be able to do everything a man can. Honestly we've forgotten what feminine power looks like.
@@moonlitskylight5740 It’s so condescending - the only good woman is a man? Nah, I’ll pass.
@@bakedandsalty9234 Men are better women than women are in 2022.... ask that swimmer.
@@davidkulmaczewski4911 or bruce jenner
@@moonlitskylight5740 Galadriel is more powerful than most of the men (human AND elves), she doesn't need to show her strength or dominate with that like a "real man". What a shit show
For $1 billion, Amazon could’ve spent that money paying its warehouse workers more and treating them better rather than on this show.
"hummm 🤔. No."
-Jeff Bezos
None of that is true. I work in an Amazon Warehouse. Its not like that at all.
The problem is you live in USA. Youre a slave.
@@GM-db4bv (Insert Jeff Beelzebub…I mean, Bezos laugh here).
No need to pay them better, they're distracted enough with woke propaganda.
Jeff Bozos
3 words come to mind...."Out of Touch."
And I'm so sick of multi-Billion dollar companies telling me what I should like & what I shouldn't.
well guess what, it isn't going away anytime soon. and soon they will synthesize completely with governments to bring it to every waking aspect of your life.
the question is: what are you going to do about it?
the question is rhetorical, don't answer it in public.
Amazon rn: "Am I so out of touch? ... No, it's Tolkien who was wrong"
It's not out of touch... They arent interested in being in touch. Unless its in touch with progressives who are not actually fans.
Two words come to mind: Bad Cosplay.
@@BlackMasterRoshi If we let it happen yeah it won't. But the collapse is coming and once it happens, Political correctness will be destroyed.
Galadriel is feminine. Strong, intelligent. Deterrmined. But feminine.
"Don't expect the same Galadriel!" Yeah. She's gone masculine.
Instead of showing how feminine traits are equally heroic as masculine, she's showing how you have to become masculine to compete.
An unpaid but positive critique is valuable and comes over as honest. But a paid-for positive critique is automatically suspect and a paid-for but negative critique can be absolutely genuine.
Even if - in the unlikely event - the series turns out good or great, it'll be forever tarnished by this lousy promotion disaster.
The marketing strategy for these companies is to say “if you don’t like this stuff, there’s something wrong with you”, which is never a successful strategy.
Bolshevik marketing.
@@INRamos13 What does Bolshevism have to do with it, dude? Have you read his basic doctrines at least once in your life, are you familiar with them somehow? Don't bring that up here, okay?!
@@ТуринТурамбар-п8н How defensive you are about it means it should absolutely be brought up here.
That particular marketing strategy is working so well for Pixar’s Lightyear 😂 I can’t wait to see how TRoP flops similarly.
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made"
Buurn!
Word.
Its not just LOTR, every show nowadays is indistinguishable from fan fiction. The 'creatives' seem to have all been simultaneously brain-damaged into incompetence.
You're assuming all fanfiction is bad. I recall a complete season 8 rewrite of GoT fanfic that was more widely accepted than the actual show lol
I can’t lie there has been fan fictions that have done a great job holding true to material that was created by the author. I would take those fan fictions over a lot of these “works” coming out now
@@tticusFinch yea I guarantee a true fan writing some of the fanfiction today would make something way better then everything I've seen in the past 5 years.
It's company fiction, not fan fiction.
Watching the boys season 3 has been a real treat again, the obiovus satire takes on our society with "woke wok" "blm blt" was just amazing, oh and the 2nd amendment gun convention lol
She IS the villain. She's attempting to murder Tolkien's legacy.
Mm, I don't know if it's fair to critique the actors for the makers decisions.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Pretty sure he's criticizing her garbage character not the actress, but the actor is fair game too, she didn't have to accept this role, but she did. If she had any respect for tolkien or the fans, she would have turned down this role.
Ever notice how only the negative aspects of either gender are so often overexpressed?
Literal Freudian caricatures.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Oh it most certainly is when they insert their loathsome identity politics into it, like the race baiting, box ticker Lenny Henry.
@@moonlitskylight5740 Nope. Bullshit. She clearly is doing this role for money. If she was a Tolkien fan she would never have accepted this role.
Do you get criticism in real life for your choices? What's the difference?
The first 2 questions you ask of someone you're hiring to repaint the Mona Lisa are:
1-Are you a good painter?
2-Have you ever seen the Mona Lisa?
Apparently, they forgot to ask those questions of these creators.
Your questions are very underrated. And you make a good point with them. It's like asking me, who has zero experience with mechanics, to build a 1957 Chevy.
And question 3: *Why* does the Mona Lisa need to be repainted? Why can't we just enjoy the original? What makes this one different or better?
Galadriel.
Graceful, Poised, Respected, influential, feminine.
"Let's have her dressed up like a dude and squatting like a Slav"
**Slavbass intensifies!**
I hear she's a vodka fiend in this new series.
CHEEKI BREEKI VDAMKE
Galadriel’s hair is god damn sacred. Here it looks like she tongued a wall socket.
Yeah, when I think of the hair BEGGED FOR by one of Gondolin’s greatest lords, I think of that poorly-maintained, ragged mess on that cover.
@@jackdaone6469 her hair is supposed to be strong enough to use as a bowstring.
Ha Ha ... nice one .... and tonguing a wall socket sounds more preferable to wading through anymore of this shyte !!
You're forgetting about how it might have felt for the wall socket.
@@GeraltofRivia22 And shine with the light of the two trees. This is a sandy mess.
This new generation of woke “filmmakers” are systematically hacking up our classic favorites to spread “the message.”
This is why hard copies of such classics are important. If they control the digital space, they can manipulate or even delete/block the streaming of the originals we cherish.
They’ve already started that. I did a report for fill class in that. The film Executive Decision with Kurt Russell is a prime example. I still my original vhs, but I was watching it on cable a few years back and the censored out all the references to the hijackers’ Islamic motivations.
@@abehambino no sh@t? I didn’t know that. But I believe it entirely.
I heard the new "Jaws" is a vegan.
Not woke, they are anti-White.
I just can imagine new Star Wars versions where somehow Leia is the chosen one...
The most outrageous thing is, Galadriel in books is a badass! But not sword wielding, mountain climbing ninja... she is a powerful mage and wise leader, is it not enough?
As a woman I hate this modern Hollywood notion, I should be intrigued only by physically strong girlboss emotionless female characters... You know Hollywood, my simple lady brain is able to connect to a character for many reasons, not only for having a vagina. I hate it's everywhere sold to me, as if I should be grateful for this amazing feminist service... I'm tired.
Keep up your amazing work Drinker! Your videos always made my day.
Well put, this is exactly how I feel - women power is different than man power. It's more subtle and therefore probably more challenging to present on screen. Creating a wow special effect where a "female" character "kicks ass" is easier than giving her layers and depth to show how her power works. It's lazy writing and not understanding source material.
This is just bad wannabe fan fiction with a big budget.
At least bad fan fiction is written from the heart. This is written for money or woke points.
Personally, I'm going to just ignore it's existence, just as I ignore the bulk of bad fan fiction online.
@Ana Slavic 100% agree. Hollywood writes strong women as a men... But badly written parody of man.
Tolkien wrote compassion, friendship, forgiveness and kindness as a good and powerful features for equally females and males, showing its not weakness. But what he knew, right? He was only white privileged rasist and misogynist, just with more than 100 millions sold books, trial by time, loved dearly by many to this day and basically singlehandedly created leading modern genre of books, movies and TV. Amazon's PR woke department knows surely better...
Honestly theirs audacity is beyond me. But it taught me one thing... Never again look forward to anything...
It’s bizarre. Feminists crow “If women ruled the world there would be no war! Men are inherently violent and lust for power.”
Then they make “reimagined” female characters who are even more blood-thirsty, violent and cruel. So much so that they seem the obvious villain. But then strangely they treat them like the hero.
Agree completely. I hate that now, according to Hollywood, strong women are only physically strong women and/or women who treat men like sh*t. The strongest person I've met in my life was my grandma, she went through so many things ... but she never behaved like a man, it's preposterous.
@@choreomaniac If they truly believe that "women rule = no war", I'd like to introduce them to the subject of history, which they must have skipped in school, specifically Queen Victoria and Catherine the Great 😆
1:30 Galadriel was intimidating in the Lord of the rings, a very powerful and stern yet very feminine woman. This portrayal of Galadriel as some swashbuckling Barbarian borders on farcical
“Watch it before judging”.. “Just eat that manure, don’t judge it before you try some.” 😂
I still find it hilarious how these people say how much men are awful and women are the bestest, then completely 180 and desperately ape male physiology and traits when creating their female characters. You see it constantly in fiction, where they just make men and try and slap a woman's face on the body then calling it a "strong woman", but even in live-action it's starting to happen more and more. Like Black Widow where they try to broaden everyone's shoulders, or having Task Manager played by a man.
Task Manager 🤣, that nearly killed me.✌😁🤘
They're not sincere. The cognitive dissonance is the point; getting people to put up with it is the point.
It's rather classic victim behaviour. Many abused people become abusers because they get it in their head that being an abuser is 'winning'. Likewise, modern feminists have convinced themselves that the patriarchy has been holding them down for ten thousand years, so the way for them to 'win' is to have all the muscles and all the high-stress jobs and force men to stay home, take care of the kids, and fix dinner. And then they get mad because they are perceived as villains instead of 'winners'.
I remember Galadriel from the Lord of the Rings movies and the scene where she reveals her true power just for a moment when Frodo reveals the ring to her. That Galadriel would eat the new “Galadriel” for lunch, look disappointed, and ask for something more satisfying.
Galadriel went from a regal queen to a force of nature within seconds. Shows you don't need a sword to make someone piss themselves.
Sadly, these small minded people think a character is badass and intimidating only if they swing a sword around. Galadriel was never about that. Her greatest desires were to explore Middle-Earth and establish a kingdom of her own. She's a stateswoman, not a warrior, ffs.
@@mariusionita266 Reminds me a bit of when Deanerys during the Long Night jumped off of her dragon and later picked up a sword. It wasn't enough that she could ride a dragon, they had to have her on the ground swinging a sword.
@@wingedyaga2914 Pretty much the same concept with both. Going from a dragon-riding queen or a sorceress queen to a mere sword swinger is basically taking a severe nerfing in power and intimidation in both cases. Makes no sense.
@@EyeOfMagnus4E201 I think it's the "Princesses vs. Generals" thing. Going from Princess to General is a downgrade, but because everyone has an idea of Princess=damsel=weak it's suddenly seen as an upgrade.
When you have people that live their entire lives in a social media built echo-chamber of their own thoughts and ideas it becomes completely incomprehensible that ANY other thought or idea or opinion could be even conceivable let alone legitimate. That's who is kicking these things out, they are not doing it to make money or put out a show or give tribute to something great, they are doing it to tick a few boxes that their social media circle will give them praise for.
*hand rubbing intensifies*
individualthe of opinion the influences crowd the of opinion the cause critisizim negative silencing They are propaganda.It's
The opinion of the crowd influences the individual. That is why all of these corporations are hiding negative input from public.
The echo Chambers are to get everyone tribalistic and arguing.
The right opinion is not heard in a cacophony of stupidity most people won't even admit everyone has different priorities and that determines what they think is important in the world
@@luckybones8749 And all that's needed to understand that is to take the time and assemble the puzzle. How's this method working so far? Not mocking, just curious.
@golden get back to me when the three nice white lads have billions of dollars to rape & bastardise a beloved franchise
"I didn't like Rand's personality so I wrote him a new one."
Cool! That's another show I can add to the "never watch this shit" list, along with the rings of power, the daredevil reboot, Halo, and anything Star Wars.
They're re doing the Netflix Daredevil? I won't watch, those Netflix Marvel shows were amazing, and Disney will turn them to slop
"It felt only natural (to us) that an adaptation of the author's work would reflect what the world actually looks like. "- The creators of "The Rings of Power"
That's an actual quote.
Felt natural did it?
I have a hard time believing these corporate zombies have had a natural feeling in their lives. I imagine any actual thoughts and emotions they might feel have to be heavily edited in post-production before they are allowed to experience them.
Galadriel can be a strong female character without trying to be some warrior. There are plenty of other traits that make a woman strong other than fighting and brawn. Beauty, wisdom, compassion, and lest we forget her actual elven magical powers.
Hell, her HAIR is SACRED. And look at it in these pictures!
Also it is already stablished in the original trilogy and in the hobbit how badass she is but without loosing her beauty and elegance. I think the problem is that these "activists" that works in the studios are all land whales or ugly people from their insides and outsides that can't stand to see a beautiful woman being beautiful.
As someone who only knows the films, what is sacred about her hair?
@@sheadoherty7434 They say it could catch the light of the Trees, which were before the Sun and the Moon. Fëanor, somehow, managed the same thing with Silmarills and that led to many catastrophical events of the second age.
Galadriel already was a strong female character.
@@INRamos13 How can you tell? She wasn't running around with a sword or standing up for her rights or doing other useles contemporary shite. I wonder if she'll be twerking in this searies? Twerking on Fingon's grave.
EDIT: So apparently it's going to be Celeborn's grave. Not Fingon's. JFC...
Just finished my annual re-reading of _The Lord of the Rings_ and it makes me hate this mockery that Amazon has created, all the more. If I could with the wave of a hand erase every server containing every frame of this and cause every backup storage device spontaneously combust, and every setpiece and costume crumble into dust, I would do so. This is a heinous mockery, and there's not an artistic Hell hot enough for these people and their disgusting, nauseous "vision" to burn in.
Starting the family re-read very soon.
Christopher Lee would reread it every year too
It doesn't matter, anyway. The world of Arda is timeless, as it was by design: an entire mythology that was the product of one man's experiences, passions and genius. Do they honestly dare to presume that their half-baked polyp will be the object of discussion seventy years hence? 'The Rings of Power' will be nothing more than a sickening memory in a matter of a few dozen months, I wager; Tolkien's life's work is something that lasts because it is really bloody good, and at the end of the day that is the only guarantee of persistent interest.
I didn't plan to do a reread this year, but I sort fell into it. It's more beautiful now than the other times I have read these books. To see what's being done to these characters and this story is unbearable to me.
@@ZoopsMind it'll be remembered as 'that spin-off show that wasn't very good'
I'm almost pleasantly surprised they didn't race swap Galadriel. Not that it matters, anyway, they still destroyed her.
According to the left White women are still oppressed victims, so they didn't have to replace her, get ready for race swapped celeborn though, if he even shows up in the show at all. Amazon's ""galadriel"" is probably too much of a strong, empowered, independent wahman to need a man around.
She was beautifully described in the text...
"Very tall [Galadriel and Celeborn] were, and the Lady no less tall than the Lord; and they were grave and beautiful. They were clad wholly in white; and the hair of the Lady was of deep gold… but no sign of age was upon them, unless it were in the depths of their eyes; for these were keen as lances in the starlight, and yet profound, the wells of deep memory."
I guarantee they wanted to, but doing so would get the project canned by the Tolkien Estate.
It's fine, they love the cold trans Aryan type who impose their authoritarianism while fake-crying their victimhood. Had the Lady been redheaded, they'd have genocided her.
@@GeraltofRivia22 so instead they invented black hobbits and dwarves
I thought Galadriel was supposed to be the antithesis of dwarves, men and orks and their warring ways, the epitome of beauty, grace, kindness, a motherly character with the hidden strength of a mother.
This was a direct parallel to the world of the early 1900s where men (and Tolkien himself) went to war and witnessed all its horror and brutally where the memories of the kindness and care of their mother, sisters, wives and muses were angelic in comparison. He was never afraid to show the strength of women, who killed the Witch King? That must have been a wild piece of writing when he wrote it.
This right here truly cements for the fandom that we don’t owe these bastards even the benefit of the doubt for one single episode.
Each one of those covers is blatant lore and cannon breaking. It shows us that they don’t give a damn about Tolkien’s work beyond using the name to draw people in.
I say not watching this crap isn’t good enough to send a message. No we need to do more than that.
Those of us that still have Amazon Prime need to stream the Fellowship of the Ring at the exact same time this piece of garbage is set to air in the fall. We’ll show them what the fandom really wants.
I am up for that idea. That genuinely sounds awesome.
The solution is don't be drawn in, no one should tune into this even for an episode, as Netflix learned you keep pandering you lose money. This thing's budget is so huge unless its a mega hit they're losing millions and we can help with that by not helping them
Galadriel is sitting like the male character on the cover of the CoD Black Ops games.
She looks more like a porn actor and not in a good way.
That’s exactly what I thought looking at this.
It's the pose of a soldier in a gritty military production, all that's missing is a cigarette and a thousand yard stare. Now I may not know much about Lord of the Rings, but I'm pretty sure Galadriel was never a hardened frontline soldier!
Apart from her obvious manspreading. Did anyone notice where she helds the dagger??? It is also obvious that she had to hold the dagger on the right spot to symbolize a penis. So, manspreading and penis exhibition is o.k. if it is a female.
That's true woke shit. The weirder this ideology becomes the more will be implanted on screen.
@@CplYakob TBH, Galadriel being a frontline soldier isn’t a completely invalid interpretation. It’s not unlikely that she fought in the war of wrath. The reason she and Celeborn didn’t fight in the wars in Beleriand was explicitly because the Noldor didn’t have the support of the Valar, implying she would fight when the host of Valinor came to Middle Earth. That could even make for a good flashback with Finarfin, but Hollywood isn’t going to write a wise father.
What’s weird and disconcerting to me is that she’s not been shown with Celeborn, but Hollywood, unsurprisingly, has always sucked at writing happily married people. Also, I doubt Hollywood can write a woman who’s main flaw is pride.
Pride is a good quality according to Hollywood.
They delved too greedily and too deep into Tolkien, and have hit a vein of mithril that marked their doom. This foe is beyond any of them. You might get away with messing with the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, but once you hit the Silmarillion, you reach something beyond ''fandom'' entirely.
they delved deep, so deep that they awoke the balrog
@@Colouh if only....
Worse case scenario is that they turn Galadriel into Micheal Burnham; and basically make her utterly insufferable.
Oh yeah, they are gonna bring her arrogance in this full force and it will be horrible.
All signs suggest the show will bodyswap Galadriel and Elrond.
Everything they've done points to this show having been made by and for proponents of THE MESSAGE, not Tolkien fans. That is why the half billion Bezos spent on it will self-ignite when the show premieres.
I don’t know if she is that bad. Because Michael burnham is god awful horrendously terrible. Galadriel is hot, looks good as an elven warrior from dnd forgotten realms.
Yea she is not Galadriel and looks like someone just teleported a dnd forgotten realms elf into Tolkien and changed her name to Galadriel.
Michael is years of Star Trek failure piling up one after another hoping it would get fixed by completely destroying Star Trek. She doesn’t even resemble a character from another medium put into Star Trek. They actually got the idea for her from the Star Trek failures.
Just my take, you are free to agree or disagree. Would love to hear what you think of my opinion.
I am dreading the prospect that they created her a character that is similar to batwoman's.
Dont you dare mentioning space jesus
I remember... long ago... before Fellowship of the Ring (Peter Jackson's) came out. My friends and I were terrified of what havoc he might bring on our beloved world. They showed that first little teaser trailer, just the simple shot of the fellowship walking along the path over the pass around a large rock. It was a beautiful shot of beautiful mountains. It showed clearly different heights and statures of the various fellowship members. Even more than that, in that very short clip, the characters were CLEARLY recognizable for who they were. The fellowship members, the look, the outfit, the swagger (or lack thereof) was immediately apparent. My friends and I were still afraid, but we were less afraid. The more promotional material I see for Rings of Power, the MORE afraid I become.
_But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Ilúvatar, for he sought therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself._
Amazon will 100% look us straight in the eye and tell us this crap will be a success.
They have the money to keep it going even if the audience isn’t there. I don’t see it getting cancelled at any point because this is the biggest sacrifice on the altar of woke yet.
Not us...investors.
@@adriandj3141 Which is excellent for us. If nobody's watching it, even normies pan it as being terrible, they throw good money after bad (lots of it), and they insist that it's good, eventually people will catch on to their bullsh*t, and the public trust in their brand will decrease, and they get closer to waking up.
Nothing is foolproof, their narrative is in the process of collapse, slowly but surely.
Amber Heard should have played the part of Gadriel 💩🙈🙉🙊
@@robbiekop7 oh my gosh yes.
Remember: paying for this shitshow makes you part of the problem.
The only subscription service I will pay for is HBO for sopranos, the wire, and true detective. That quality deserves it. Everything else I go straight to the high seas
you're not being race swapped. You're being e-raced
Many people pay Amazon Prime fees pay not only for movies/TV, but also for free two-day shipping, grocery deliveries, and music. Unfortunately, Prime is getting more and more expensive each year too.
For $1 billion, Amazon could’ve spent that paying its warehouse workers more and treating them better.
@@CapCrunch45 lol amazon doing the right thing? 😅
A quote from the cover, "Don't expect the same Galadriel." First of all, only shills and acolytes of the 'diversity and inclusion' cult believe that, and even that's debatable. I have no doubts many shills know it's not the same, but so long as they get their thirty pieces of silver, they'll tell themselves they're fine. Second and more importantly, that is _not_ Galadriel, and I am so tired of the worn-out dogmatic excuses used. "But a character changes! They're not robots!' "Oh, but thus-and-so OWN the series now! IT'S CANON!" No, that's not character change.
Yes, characters change, but you have to SHOW the steps made. There's nothing shown, only declarations. With so many changes, they're not the same characters, and it's not the same story. And, no, just because some buys a label doesn't make it the same product, and those who know will point out the lack of quality. Do a search on the history of Zenith televisions, for a prime example. And as for stories, the same has happened in history. You have to do the work (gasp!) and the research (double-gasp), but there have been plenty of series which were bought out, changed, then even sometimes bought again and the alterations in between nullified
Frankly, while I'm disgusted and I am outraged, I don't feel the dread I do with what's happened with Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, Marvel, DC, and so on. Genuine Tolkien fans know the true, and they are multitude. And that's really the core issue going on here. These cultist aren't devoted to rewriting all history and stories as they are trying to rewrite us. They've gone too far. The 'plebes' are uprising.
So no, I am not expecting 'the same Galadriel.' I'm expecting another pile of malicious, intentional, cultist shit which they think we're going to consume. To which I say it's time to dump out the shit, and the source from which it came.
That whole "characters change" thing, especially in origin stories, is usually an excuse for the writer to write someone else's character how they want and don't course-correct until literally the final seconds of the series, provided they don't get canceled first.
“Throw it into the fire from whence it came!”
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If I hear the words "Strong female character" one more time, I don't know what I'll do. This is why I love the Studio Ghibli movies and their variety of female characters. There are the young girls, like Kiki and the two sisters from My Neighbor Totoro who are out and exploring the world around them. There are the wise, older, and gentle mothers and mother figures. And there are tough fighters such as San from Princess Mononoke and Dola from Castle in the Sky. I miss the more feminine ladies who knew that kindness, hard work, wisdom, and gentleness are all strengths, not weaknesses.
Exactly. It's like they see femininity as a weakness. They're pushing the notion that women must act, dress and fight like men to be strong leaders and characters, and I hate it.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y I absolutely loved Elle Woods from Legally Blonde. She was hyper feminine and girly, but she was also kind, intelligent, and faced pretty much any obstacle with hard work and optimism. I don't see characters like her anymore and it's a shame. Femininity needs to be celebrated, not stamped out.
theres a reason they waited for tolkiens kid to die before making this.
he was the last gatekeeper
Wheel of Time is the saddest victim of modern cinema. As a diehard fan, I wish they never even tried rather than use it as a platform for their political agenda and garbage writing.
Mat is being recast but unless they lose all the writers too I can't see it helping. It was painful to watch but I had Amazon prime and have the books😑 shit it was.
@@calvinjohnstone2664 I thought the casting was generally good. Where they lost me is the lazy writing [Perrin's fucking wife🤮] and the utter destruction of the world that Jordan created, and the philosophy he explored. It's all been chucked in the bin to embrace these weird postmodernist views that the sexes are exactly the same.
I say that pretty much anytime they adapt something I like or love anymore. Foundation trashed, WoT trashed, Halo trashed, Marvel trashed, Star Wars trashed, Shannara trashed, Star Trek trashed, next up LotR etc etc. If you love a book series or comic series or game or whatever you should be fighting to keep any adaptations from happening as the chances of the adaptation not being trash at this point is very low.
I hope WoT will get cancelled quickly. If someone who actually loved the show was the show runner and the studio would fund it but keep their hands out of it and let that person work then it could be amazing but both of those things just do not happen nowadays. They hire people who were not fans of the material to make it and then force changes upon the material even if the changes completely eviscerate the source material.
There are reasons why series like WoT and LotR have sold millions upon millions of books. They are great stories. No reason to fuck with already proven great stories. Just write it with a few cuts for time and pacing and what have you and you are good to go. A lot like Peter Jackson did. He cut things and changes a few things for pacing issues and to condense the list of characters but he kept the important thing......the heart and soul of the story and main characters.
@@MrJimmyWalsh Nyneave was the kicker for me. But yeah I agree, should have lost the wife and put in Elyas.
@@adarian nailed it on the head. The SOUL of the characters is missing. I could forgive any number of changes, but they scooped out the essence of the characters and replaced them with.... something else. It's like the world without the Dark One that Rand created.
"They put in Hobbits because people wanted Hobbits. But then don't make them look like Hobbits so what's the point?" This is something that shouldn't make sense but for some reason they keep doing shit like this like it's normal and make sense.
No. They put in hobbits because THEY wanted hobbits. They don't care about the fans, they just want a vehicle for their shitty ideas.
If they actually put stuff in that the fans wanted, we'd be getting a decent depiction of the Second Age
they just want to shove more black characters into European mythology.
@@BlackMasterRoshi Hey representation matters. After this show little black kids everywhere can say "When I grow up I to can be a hobbit" and that's a good thing?
The hobbits are in to attract the normies, imo. Think back to the teaser: 'before the ring, before the fellowship, before the king'. Basically 'memba the PJ trilogy? memba the hobbits?'.
@@mariusionita266 Yeah, and did you read what it says on the Empire cover? “We are the traditional Tolkien little guy”. This is cringe level 1000 for making it somehow palatable for the masses while sucking the soul out of it altogether.
Remember Galadriel's speech in the first movie: "Instead of a king you would have a queen! Terrible like the dawn, treaserous like the sea, stronger than the foundations of the earth! All men would love me, and despair." That was one of the best scenes in the trilogy. Powerful in a feminine queen-like way. Today it would be sexist: That she talks about enticing men by making them love her. "That's a sexist trope!" Instead she must look masculine and ugly now.
She'd just be Sauron with tits, but better because obviously his ring was only perfection once it fit a woman.
Agree with Disparu, espicilly about "appealing to influencers". I don't like the word "influencers" either. In ways to win arguments, this is called "appeal to authority". It's not an accident that this is the last strategy for your ex-gf to win an argument (ie., "oh yea, well your mom agrees with me!") and the first strategy for corporations. Corporations are BUILT on appeals to authority. I would argue that my generation's affirmitive action debates and this generation's diversity hires are nothing more than extensions of the appeal to authority. Here believe me, because I am educated and your boss has become: Here believe me because this person has your skin color (or at least a skin color our culture says you can't doubt).
Great point. Thank you. I noticed that people online tend to say this to me a lot when I critisize some show or movie. And I make good points. Their last defence is "well the actors in it like it."
Brilliant summary gents. Really enjoying Disparu's observations and delivery.
Not a huge Tolkien fan, but hell will freeze over before I watch two minutes of this tosh.
I love that at the time this show takes place Galadriel would be "fully matured" and look like Cate Blanchett.
For the sake of y’all’s sanity, avoid the show at all costs. We need to avoid Disney Star Wars at all costs too. The reason these fucking things are being made is because people keep paying for them.
These people don’t care about writing a good story with compelling characters, delivering breathtaking action sequences, or pleasing the fans. All they care about is money and that’s what they’ve been getting. The sequel trilogy made money, The Mandalorian made money, and these other shows are gonna make money. Stop paying for this shit. Pay for stuff like Top Gun: Maverick, The Northman, Arcane, and Invincible. The more people realize this, the more good stuff we get out of it.
The last Star Wars movie I saw was "The Nostalgia Awakens" and I didn't even want to watch it. I didn't watch anything after that and you know what? I feel just fine. I shan't be watching this shit or any new Star Trek or Dr. Who or Willow or any other 80's Nostalgia Bait cash grabs and it feels great. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I feel like I got out of an abusive relationship and can move on with my life. I wish more people would just stop wasting time and money on shit just because they grew up on the name. All the old stuff is still there and readily available. Watch "Empire Strikes Back". Watch "Fellowship of the Ring". Watch "Willow". Skip all this new, corporate garbage. It's not that hard to quit. People just won't do it, though.
@@HarryBuddhaPalm They’re hoping to change how multimillion dollar corporations run their businesses. Nothings gonna change. I’d love for that to happen, but it won’t unless they stop paying for their crappy products and these corporations lose tons of money. The more that happens, the more likely we’ll get products made by people who really care about the writing and put in the fucking work to generate success. I know boycotts sound extreme, but it’s our only option at this point. We’ve already tried convincing them to change with these videos, we’ve already tried pointing out the flaws in their ways, and we’ve already tried discussing why politics have no place in film. We’ve already had this conversation, now it’s time to punish them for their decision.
Best comment ever. I canceled my Amazon prime subscription last week over this trash
@@edwardelric603 Money talks, bullsh*t walks.
Exactly right. Stop paying for it!
Don't expect a wise and powerful immortal being. Expect a pathetic radical feminist.
There is nothing feminists about women parading male pattern behavior.
@@nickcharles1284 Nope. Just what feminism was designed to be from the beginning. The deconstruction of womanhood into the image of what they perceive men to be.
@@2012sonorafIn It really hasn't been. Wanting the same civic rights, certainly has been there from the beginning. But feminism isn't about women assuming the behaviors of men.
@@nickcharles1284 Well they've definitely changed feminism. It used to be for equality and they actually used their movement for good. Now it's a bunch of women whining about how awful men are. Yes women go through hardships but blaming it on the majority of men isn't going to fix it, it just makes them look pathetic.
@@gianna526 I'm sure there is a small contingent of feminists who do this. But it is a mistake to present them as representative. Most feminist do not hate men, for simply being men. They hate what patriarchy does to men, and work to end patriarchy. They work to end gender roles that hurt men and women. Thus liberating women from patriarchy.
Once again I'm reminded that the Middle Earth games while not canon, actually respected the material they diverged from.
"Don't expect the same Galadriel".....but we LOVED the original Galadriel. She was a VERY strong, memorable character. These people are mental and I'm going to love seeing this bomb spectacularly
I’m a simple man, when drinker said “Galadriel taking a shit” I laughed.
It’s interesting. Those in the business try to label the guys in this video as toxic bigot fans interfering with progressive “ideas”. Where as we see them as shields protecting the stories we hold dear. Keep it up fellas, you’re doing the lords work.
Each image of this series somehow makes it worse. Just those 3 images alone you have a hobbit with a dead sheep on his head, two dwarves who look like their heads are photoshopped on there badly, and Galadriel looking like a dude because they are just really really trying to sell this warrior Galadriel so hard and destroy any sense of femininity she had.
Funny:
In my business I'd call a 'PR disaster' having someone crap all over my examining couch after sticking my finger up their bottom!
(thank God I'm retired)
I guess in a way this 'PR disaster' is much the same thing, just as unpleasant but on a far larger scale - Amazon has sh1t the bed with this one!
I'm surprised that Galadriel doesn't have the sides of her head shaved.
And a tatoo "Deal with it" on her forehead. That would've been great.
When a company is promoting the "creators" and not the product, you know it's bad.
If only the vast amount of money wasted on Rings of Power had been put into making the last three seasons of The Expanse.
Or solving world hunger
I saw the toilet pose on the shelf and it put me right off even flipping through the magazine.
Confirmed Homosexual
Useful toilet paper though😂
If Amazon was putting out an original fantasy series without the Lord of the Rings franchise tag attached to it there wouldn't be any controversy. This is the problem with entertainment today, they don't believe they create anything new that can stand on its own merit, they cling to established characters and franchises and then don't understand why fans get upset when they twist them to fit a political agenda.
Exactly. Write the same story you are writing for RoP, but make it an original series. Let it stand on its own merit. They use existing IPs to besmirch existing IPs. The comparison with Thanos is inevitable.
They don't want anything original, they want to destroy everything traditional and loved.
what's really sad, I live in germany and I watched lotr when I was a little kid around 6 or 7 and it made my childhood sooo much more interesting it made me alot more creative, but the more people I meet now through school and college I realize how little people here in germany seem to have seen it. Like they heard about it but they are all like: I don't like fantasy so I probably don't like that.... I'm just happy that my mother loves traveling and was able to speak english and read the book so also showed us the movies.... my childhood wouldn't have been the same without it
The irony is that Tolkien created this world to dedicate it to people like you: the various Germanic tribes that make Central and Northern Europe.
It's also kind of telling that the Hobbits cover shows two females and one 'hobbit of color'...
It reminds me of Sniper Elite 5, when in between mission 1 and 2 you're in a French Resistance camp for a brief intermission, and the 6 people there consist of 3 women, one of them black, and 3 men, two of them black. One out of 6 is actually a white male - in the Normandy, France, in 1944... In the beginning of mission 4 they're doing the same thing again, so it's not coincidence.
This might be subtle, but it is directed at subconsciously manipulating us into changing our historical reality into something else that fits 'the Message'.
Wait, there 2 female Hobbits? I watched on my phone but I thought only the middle one was a girl
"The Message" sounds pretty evil, what is it?
As someone who’s not a LOTR fan, the Empire covers didn’t look that bad, and the first one looked kind of cool. If I didn’t know the little bit I do about the franchise, I wouldn’t see anything wrong, besides the “not your grandma’s Galadriel” text box, which just oozes crappy writing trying to be “revolutionary.”
However, from what others have said, this Amazon series has already committed some lore heresies, and the writers are proud of it. When fans say “we want lore-accurate fantasy races” the producers reply “what? You want only white people?!? Racists.” To me, this indicates that they aren’t listening to their fans’ actual concerns and are going to tear up the lore because it’s “rooted in white supremacy” in their minds. They’re probably going to do mass-produced for TV level writing too, which is the antithesis to everything I’ve heard about Tolkien’s top-shelf, deliberate, quality storytelling.
It will suck because the messaging they insert (racial, gender, all the various justices) is more important to the producers, directors and writers than plot. They do not care if it is bad (to fans and new viewers) because quality is not the point. Messaging is. So every black woman will be uber. The bad guys will be white. The plots will tie into 2022 current themes (immigration, climate). Its all the same, its all bad, and it is not going to stop.
As somebody who is a LotR fan, but has had interest in this show, I had no idea who the character in the first cover was meant to be.
But then, having accepted that it was a young Galadriel, and remembering little of her in the Silmarillion so willing to see something different -- the cover still failed to interest me. The Galadriel Frodo met was something amazing. This looks like a generic turmoiled action hero to my eyes.
It's a subversion of my expectations, because she's not that glorious, ancient, all-but-holy being at the center of Lothlorian --
But the cover doesn't speak to me of adding anything to that idea. And standing on its own legs, as it then must, it looks generic to me. It's a glowering woman with a dagger. I can get that by walking into the kitchen. :>
You should watch the Lord of the Rings movies. They're really really good movies, even if you aren't into fantasy. If you do, you'll see why this depiction of Galadriel is so off the mark. If you don't, I can tell you that Galadriel isn't some badass warrior princess strong female doesn't need no man. That doesn't mean she's weak or anything, actually, she is extremely powerful, otherwordly, and unknowable, and one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth. Everyone who meets her ends up basically worshipping her because of how magnificent and awe-striking she is. She's genuinely a horrible choice for a main character because of this, and she works much better as a character how she is in Lord of the Rings: a side character to a much weaker, more grounded, and relatable main. What Amazon is doing is like making their main character Jesus; nobody knows what Jesus thinks or how he preforms miracles, people can only just watch him in amazement and listen to the wisdom he shares. Making Galadriel the main basically takes away that mystical quality she has, ya know?
To add another insult layer there are places in middle earth with people that look different. It’s different geography but I guess they forget sunburns are a legit problem for fair skin in constant sunlight
They can make this kind of trash as much as they want. It'll never stop the original source material from existing, no matter how much it enrages them.
Sure it can. They'll start to alter the text of Tolkien's works in future copies of the books.
@@JeremiahWMartin I doubt that. Besides, how are they going to "amend" the millions of copies that already exist? The original work literally cannot be erased at this point.
@@RevolverRez It can for those who don't know of it and don't happen to have the circumstances to. It's sort of like most people today not knowing that they've lost much of their individual strengths and intellects, having been domesticated by "civilization" over thousands of years. Sure, collectively we may be stronger than ever, but individually on average across all humanity, we have become much weaker. I mention this as I think it relates to the mindset of liking and wanting to be seen as liking what's perceived as popular and good. watch?v=SOgKwAJdeUc
Again, what's so frustrating about this, is that's there's literally thousands of modern fantasy novels which feature diversity and current era themes which they could have adapted. Hell I've written a series myself!
No, you don't understand. They want to ruin any existing works.
Love to see you guys do Wheel of Time which you mentioned several times. The show is SUCH an abomination. Love to hear your thoughts on how they could they take such great source material and well developed character arcs, throw it all out the window, and replace it with a completely different woke diverse sexual bonk fest with no story line, trashed magic rules, and boring characters.
My 19 year old daughter saw the picture of Galadriel and asked me if she is trans. 😳
"Don't expect the same Galadriel." Oh don't worry, I don't expect anything from this show.
I cancelled my Amazon Prime a few months ago. That is how we all need to react to this mess. There are other places to shop and prime video is pretty shit anyways.
EXACTLY! I roll my eyes every time someone gloats about how "no one will watch" or "the ratings are a disaster". Folks, the number of viewers don't matter in the streaming space since that business model is based on membership. If you are paying for Disney+ or Amazon etc, they already have your money so they don't care if you refuse to watch the content.
@@christimacc yes, but, these new shows are about recruiting new members. They don't have enough members to justify the costs, so they need new offerings in order to entice people to sign up. That's why Disney is pumping out content, because not enough people have signed up for it. But, all the new stuff costs money to produce, so if they flop and they don't get more members through the new stuff they are doubly losing because they didn't have enough revenue in the first place. Amazon has plenty of money, so this may just be a write off. But, they are doing the same thing of trying to recruit more members, though it may not be as necessary because they braid the funding of folks who want prime shipping, music, and the video. However, they still want more members and the shows are intended to recruit those. If this flops, they won't get more members and it will be seen as a failure, even if they maintain their current membership. Current membership doesn't justify the extra expense of a costly show like this.
Sh*t... I got my Prime account with a discount becase I bought things and the shipping worth it, but I'll going to cancel it (it was just a month).
Look: can we just be brutally honest? There are no Black Hobbits or Elves or Dwarves in Tolkien's Middle-earth. None whatsoever.
True, because they are based on White = European people. The Dwarves are based on Jewish people.
I had read a proper response to the "Don't expect the same Galadriel" quote on the magazine, that being "Then don't expect the same LOTR fan support."
"In Wheel of Time season 2 ... they just wrote Rand a new personality"
It makes me feel so sad that they're completely destroying this great series
Especially considering they are ignoring the best character in the series by ruining mats storyline, to focus on the Aes Sedai who are just the fucking worst
I have a list of novels in my head that would make great cable series. 10-15 years ago I would tell people about them and to read them, and say “I hope someone in Hollywood picks this up”. Ha, today I will not even write their titles online lest an intern notice and send them down the shitchute through which so many properties have been flushed
I'm amazed there is a season 2. No one talked about it two weeks after it ended. Even the ones who supposedly liked it. It was that terrible.
The Boys, people talk about. Teacher same thing. But Woke of Time? Nada.
@@dbsommers1 season 2 was greenlit before season 1 was finished airing. I guess they figure they were ~90 million into it already, might as well see if it has legs?
I loved the wheel of time books and promised myself I'd watch all of season one before judging it - the TV show is trash, I won't waste the time to watch season 2.
@@randommcranderson5155 season one was such a stark show of contempt for the source material that I refused to finish watching it and started rereading the books instead. It's not that it's just bad. It's actively trying to retroactively ruin the series. It's malicious.
I'm currently rewatching the whole series of _Star Trek: Voyager._ The ship's capitain - the person at the top of command and responsible for the most important decisions - is a woman. The chief of engineering is a mixed race human-klingon female. The chief of security is a black vulcan man. The first oficer and second in command is Native American. One prominent ensign who is part of the main crew is Asian. There are too, of course, people of other species. However, none of these characters feel forced and they do not give me the vibes of tokenism. The stories come first.
To be fair, the show also has a human/borg female who was clearly conceived for being "pleasing on the eyes for you," as someone might say. But her character is also extremely intelligent, has a strong personality and is very resourceful, adding much more to the series than just her looks.
The diversity is there. The difference is that it is not pounded in your head at every second. It is not the main focus of anything - it is just there, on the background, helping the world to seem believable and sending messages, sure, but in a quiet, passive way. The conflict in almost every episode revolves around some ethical dilemma - a staple of good science fiction and of (old) _Star Trek,_ in particular. I love the show. It's great.
That's how you do diversity properly. But the ideologues in charge of these franchises, today, have no interest in building anything of worth. They only seek to sew divisiveness and to destroy. I fully accept and embrace Janeway as an excellent starship captain, alongside Kirk and Picard. But, no, that's not good enough for these people - in fact, they costumarily pretend that a strong female character like her never existed. They can't admit that, because their goal is not to empower anyone, but to spread a sense of helplessness and distrust. And then we get Supergirl whining that she isn't respected because she is a woman. Supergirl, whining. It's dumb and would be funny, if it weren't tragic.
Anyway, if you want to see a show with a good representation of strong women, throw _Supergirl_ in the garbage and watch _Voyager._ As for this LotR spin-off thing, I couldn't care less (even though I love fantasy, in general).
the one white guy on the crew was a bumbling idiot. star trek went very hard with diversity and proto woke messaging when they came back with tng. some of it is ok, some is heavy handed.
If you didn’t mention the race of the characters in Voyager, you wouldn’t notice it at all, until some aspect of that character’s race and culture came up in the story at a relevant point. That is properly done storytelling, and shows real diversity- talented people from different backgrounds sharing a common purpose, moral system, and guiding principles, using their differences to aid in common pursuits while disagreeing and allowing dissent.
The original Star Trek show was diverse as hell. So was the next generation. There is diversity in Tolkiens world but they just aren't using it correctly, Easterlings and people from the southern parts were of different ethnicities and they could have chose to include that but didn't.
I read most of the WoT series 30+ years ago and I remembered enough to see the series was utter hot garbage from the first episode; couldn't bring myself to watch any more. Presently wrapping up book 5 on a re-read, and while I'm stoked to re-immerse myself in an awesome series with well developed characters, I'm even more mad at how Amazon butchered the story.
Same for me, but I remember it being quite a matriarkal/feminist society originally, so its not as evident as with the other franchises.
@@vb6548 Women certainly ruled the roost in the books, which for me didn't in and of itself detract from the story, but the men were portrayed as having considerably more agency than what I gleaned was going to come from the show. That said, I concede I stopped after the first episode, so maybe I'm off base with my assessment.
I'm glad the one guy brought in comparisons to the Wheel of Time. As a longtime reader of that series (I read the first book when it was published, and bought every book as soon as it was released after that), the TV series just took a huge shit on the story. I was seriously disappointed in the fact that I had given it the benefit of the doubt only because Brandon Sanderson said he'd accepted the changes under the idea that he felt they represented a different iteration of the turning of the Wheel rather than the one presented in the books. After learning more about the storyline, there was just no justification for many of the changes under that idea. Rafe Judkins bastardized the story, and should be banned from ruining the story further. I only hope that Harriet (Robert Jordan's widow) authorizes another telling of the story more in keeping with the actual novels. Or at least, allow other authors to keep on the storyline similar to the way Robert E. Howard's estate authorized other authors to continue Conan books. I'd love to see books written about the Age of Legends, or even ones set in the 4th Age, or maybe even how we got from our current age to the next one.
I remember seeing the beginning of the trailer in a movie theater, and I was like "Silmarillion movie! YES PLEASE!" The more I watched, the more I realized how far my assumption was from the truth. Also the female dwarf is not accurate to the book, as they are supposed to be hardly distinguishable from their male counterparts.
Also ethnic and racial groups in lotr actually followed logic and weren't a mixing pot of different colours and species generally (and the people who lived north of the equator were pale and those who lived further south were darker as per real life).
"PR Disaster" is an understatement.
Every PR disaster for the hated foe is an opportunity for us to exploit.
The Galadriel- wannabe (That's my official term for her, similar to how the Drinker refers to Jodie Whitaker on 'Doctor Who' as "The Doctor Impersonator") is actually "Manspreading." I thought SJWs hated that?
Oh, wait, never mind: They only hate when men do it.
A good point is also made that the Galadriel- wannabe's facial expression isn't the look of a heroine; It's the facial expression of a villain, perhaps about to have someone drawn and quartered for daring to suggest she's overstepping her authority.
In cover 2, Dwarf Princess Whateverhernameis does indeed look fake, ridiculously Photoshopped.
The "Harfoot" guy's hair looks so ridiculous, and the two women with him look like they could just be generic "Background villagers" from just about any fantasy or period- piece movie or show.
This last stunt of Amazon's to try and garner support through the use of "Influencers" reeks of desperation. Did they seriously not figure out that the fans would see them doing this as a blatant attempt to buy off and bribe their way into getting fan support?
I really feel like the inevitable failure of 'Rings of Power' could be the thing that finally delivers the death- blow to the "Woke" entertainment movement.
The one- two combo of 'Batwoman''s long- overdue cancellation and the massive success of 'Top Gun: Maverick' show that that toxic movement in the entertainment industry is on life support; Maybe this could be what finally pulls the plug?
The problem is, the people pushing "woke" actually believe in it. They are not doing it because they think it will earn them more money. It's very hard to persuade people who believe in something that it is wrong - if anything, failure makes them try harder. I suspect their takeaway from this will be "in the future we need to spend more on Public Relations".
@@jrd33 Yes.
However, the thing to understand is, these woke movies and shows are made by studios that at the end of the day are corporations just like any other, and corporations are run by stockholders whose main priority is ensuring that the companies they invested in remain profitable. And, lately, it seems like many of those stockholders are starting to grow tired of their companies hemorrhaging money on all these woke projects that fail so spectacularly and are starting to exercise their authority to stop it.
It's what led to "Batwoman"'s cancellation, it's why several Disney execs have recently been seeking to get the company's dullard of a CEO Bob Chapeck fired because his political posturing has cost the company so much (Both in terms of money, and in terms of public goodwill), and when 'Rings of Power' fails, I get the feeling it'll have SERIOUS consequences for Amazon.
@@Adamguy2003 Hope you're right. Never thought I'd say it but I miss the days when large corporations were only interested in taking our money...
I sincerely hope you are right. My suspicion is, however, that the best case scenario is that the woke crowd will be suppressed but only for a time, until they repackage themselves under a new name and new look.
We have to remain vigilant.
Guy 1: "Allright guys, we need to sell this but we want to have more diversity and representation as well. How do we make this show?"
Guy 2: "How about we stay true to the lore of Tolkien, but with lore appropriate women and people of color in the stories we want to tell? That way we can create a good story while normalizing women and people of different ethnicities and skin color".
Guy 3: "Nah we'll just shoehorn random women and people of color into it and rewrite entire characters from Tolkien's previous lore and present a 'these people are better' view. I'm absolutely sure people will love that!".
They literally cannot do thing 2 because the required woke messaging is what is important to them and its presence necessarily leads to 3. They do not care about plot or legacy.
Different Galadriel. There is only one. And that one was great in the movie. She was badass.
She was just not a warrior, which is fine because she doesn`t need that.
They just never understand.
And I agree, if the product is good you don`t need premature damage control. This show needs it, propably because they know real fans won`t like it. Just like the last few Star Wars things. Just like Doctor Who, just like Star Trek.
I remember Doom 2016. Yes thats a game, but similar thinking: people were not sure about it before it came out because they basically didn`t release anything about the single player. But they didn`t panic. They`ve been confident in the product and when it came out? It spoke for itself. Everyone loved it, so it sold itself.
My qualm is just that this ISN'T Tolkien. Art nowadays is reduced to what we have in our current vernacular: "content" almost inevitably part of "franchises" etc. Tolkien's body of work is already laid in stone. Whatever this thing is that Amazon is doing exists (of course) outside of it. While it won't take away or change what he did I'll copy and paste my comment and another users comments in these regards to expound on this:
"....I disagree with their approach to creating volumes of their own original material and putting it forward with money, platform, and involvement with specific Tolkien entities, and putting it forward in a way that makes the cultural consciousness accept this as part of Tolkien's body of works. Creating their own story in the large gaps between the connect-the-dots and all because a studio wanted to acquire a name that would make them the big bucks. That's why this all started. Amazon reached out to people for that and no matter how passionate anyone on this project is, that's how it started, and it goes forward with a huge company with lots of shareholders and stakeholders and producers and corporate executives to enforce that. And to anyone who might counter-argue that The Lord of the Rings was born from a similar request by Tolkien's publisher, a comparison of both situations will immediately expose the VERY wide gap that exists between those two situations. [This show] is going to be far easier to digest for the general public than taking the time to go through The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales so I just hope whatever happens it doesn't subplant the general cultural consciousness of the source material."
From Anthony:
"How much can you change Tolkien's work before it becomes something else? They may have created a wonderfully produced story. However, the rewrites and additions have made it something other than Tolkien. They should own that and give it another name. I consider it expensive fan fiction."
So those are some comments I've made on another video and here's a summation of all of that:
I think some people are confused as to how someone can respond so adversely with only "a teaser trailer" etc. But the thing here is that the main problem isn't that "this could be good" (and what do you mean by that? That the story as an entity unto itself might be internally consistent and execute the theoretical and technical aspects of storytelling well?) Some (arguably most) people respond so adversely because they disagree with the fundamental philosophy and approach of this show. This ISN'T Tolkien's original material. Tolkien's world is Tolkien's world; written and done already, and can't be franchised in the same way Marvel, Star Wars, Harry Potter (franchised into "The Wizarding World"), and even Star Trek, etc. have been. Who is Disa, Halbrand, Arondir, Bronwyn, Theo, Eleanor Brandyfoot, Adar, and more? Off the top of my head that's 7 original characters that are completely made up doing things that were never written. And then, whether you agree with it or not, existing characters get divisive interpretations. And other elements get divisive decisions. This is not Tolkien. With what we know already we know it's a far cry from Tolkien.
The weirdest part about this whole thing to me is that they are clearly aware of how shit their show is. So I'm like... well you had all the money in the world to make this thing... so why did you make something you already knew was going to be shit? That's what I don't understand from a business point of view. Ignoring all the woke garbage, the political messaging, the representation and diversity nonsense bla bla... like... why do you make something knowing everyone is gonna hate it? I don't get it. I don't believe for a second that when they started working on this project that it wasn't already clear to them how it was going to be perceived. By that point, they had already seen enough bad examples from other franchises...
It makes no sense. What I do know is that I will not pay to watch this. And after I watched it, I will probably need a lot of drinks and will lock myself in a room and watch the LOTR extended version 3 times in a row to make me forget about the shitfest this show is going to be.
Wheel of Time went out of their way to destroy the lore from the get go for “THE MESSAGE”!
I'm still grieving for what they did to that
Thank God i made my peace with LotR a long time ago. I closed that last chapter/film and will remember for what it was. nothing in this world, regardless of who owns the rights will ever change this story. its untouchable even if they say its canon. its not and never will be. and millions if not a billion people share my opinion and thats all that matters.
I truly, truly believe that LotR is the only IP in this World that will never get altered even if they try it, it wont work. they cant comprehent the lore or the world and history of Tolkiens creation. also those promo pictures are an insult. jesus christ.
I have the same with many stories. Star Wars ended after E6, Star Trek ended after Enterprise, LoTR ended after Return of the King, MCU ended after Endgame. All the supposed sequels and other adaptations are so woefully unfaithful to the material that they cannot exist in the same world and therefore do not tarnish the original works.
I just hear that these pre-hobbits from the series will be nomadic tribe. Ok, lets find out if this makes sense ok? :)
I know pre-Shire hobbits lived in 3 different parts of Middle-Earth. One clan, Fallohides was from the south borders of Mirkwood (Legolas forest) they were the most brave of the clans and most skilled in archery, and friends with elves, the second clan - Stoors, ancestors of Gollum - was living in the area of Anduin (big river the Fellowship travels in the film). They were fishermen like Jackson's presented it and mostly friends with men of east borders of Gondor. The least important clan were Harfoots and they AFAIR got their settlements close to Dwarven kingdom. But not Moria, AFAIR other realm in Misty Mountains. They were most skilled as craftsmen and farmers. Not a one of these clans ever lived in tropical clime btw. The most south these clans lived was the land with clime similar to north Italy. But all of those clans got their long time settlements, in different regions of MiddleEarth - they were settle people, not nomadic. They knew agriculture so they could not be nomadic. Agriculture require settlement for long time! They started to travel west BECOUSE they were in fear of Darkeness spreading from Dol Guldur, thats how they ended in lands of previously demolished kingdom of Arnor under the rule of king Argeleb II who gave them their land - future Shire. So they never were nomadic tribe, they BECOME one for a time becouse of sauronic Darkness.
This reminds me so much of what was done to The Watch series based on Pratchett's books. People who aren't very good writers have an idea of a story they want to tell, and force it into an already known series. They convince a company to fund it because "huge fan base", and proceed to piss off the majority of said fan base.
Why is it that all the good movies and shows don't have to call the fans racists and sexists?
The best thing about Galadriel was that she was this elegant feminine beauty that everybody respected, she had power, but she knew she didnt have to use it.
Honestly. These people would make biopic of the Queen with her flown into the fucking falklands with a bowie in her teeth.
And Queen Elizabeth would be race-swapped as well.
That analogy with the Queen is amazing 🤣
Gimli was overjoyed to get three strands of hair as a gift from Galadriel...this faux elf would have been attacked for trying to gift the split-end ridden mop on her head.
To finish the image, they might as well have handed her a six-pack and had her belching the Elvish alphabet.
I worked as a gardener for years, so we're talking about as manual a class of profession as it gets, often taking breaks in the field, where my colleagues and I would find a seat on anything like a rock, tree trunk, in a wheelbarrow, etc.
I remember well male colleagues sitting like that, but never female colleagues - no matter how 'earthy' they were. We just don't do it, because to do so would be considered a blatant 'invitation' (you know what I mean). Women have more self-respect than that, and Galadriel is showing none here.
I just don't understand Amazon at all, and I'm glad I'm no customer of theirs.
Exactly even as children young girls are told not to sit like that (even just so they don't get used to it in case they happen to be wearing a dress and do it inadvertently).
_"Yeah, we didn't like that character's personality in the books, so we just wrote them a new one."_
And these are the people who turn around & complain about "fan entitlement"!
I like how it’s subtle in the second poster that she is so above him - she has all that gold and he looks like a peasant who just hit the jackpot :D
Yep, and she’s holding HIS hand, it’s subtle but your observation is accurate
Hobbits were rare also not in the early stories. Tree beard and the dragon had never encountered one for a reason
Sméagol Gollum is from the precursors of Hobbits and his people only come into the story at the end of Numenor with Gollum appearing well after the war that overthrew Sauron and Isildur’s death.
@@knotengajin7359 tree beard in the books mentions cant remember if its a poem or song about all the races as he didnt believe them. The dragon had never smelled a hobbit before, One of the reasons bilbo was picked other than the fact hobbits are small and stealthy.
Disparu!!!! I can't wait for you to upload this open bar eposide!
Totally agree. If Tolkien were the first fanbase that totally got pissed on, the reaction may not have been so bad. However, we (collective nerd-dom) have been watching as Marvel...DC...Ghostbusters...Star Wars...Cowboy Bebop...Star Trek...Dr Who...WoT...etc. ad infinitum have been abused, so we all know what's coming.
The hobbits look like extras from an 80’s Cyndi Lauper video.