Reverse Engineering Three Iconic Guitar Tones
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
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We got access to three unreleased multitracks from the most iconic Dumble users of all time. Today, we’re reverse engineering these tracks and recreating these signature guitar tones using our Steel String series of pedals and other ordinary guitar pedals.
Table of Contents
00:00 Intro Jam
00:15 Our Objective
01:36 Recreating “Testify” with Common Pedals
05:19 Recreating “Testify” with an Ampless Rig
07:25 Recreating “S.R.V.” by Eric Johnson with Common Pedals
10:24 Recreating “S.R.V.” with an Ampless Rig
11:43 Steel String + Amp VS. Steel String Supreme + Cab Sim
12:14 Recreating “Slow Dancing in a Burning Room” by John Mayer
14:50 Recreating “Slow Dancing” with an Ampless Rig
17:36 Were We Successful?
18:55 How to Support Vertex
19:34 Thanks for Watching!
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CREDITS
Host/Co-Production: Mason Marangella
Guest: Tim Marco
Videographer: Nico Sotomayor
Video Editing: Mason Mejia
Co-Production/Design: Mason Mejia
Audio Editing: Hunter Harrison
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Great song choices!
Mason’s tone-chasing is infectious. This sounds amazing
When does the dan Huff interview come out man!?
That’s actually why I’m here right now. I just keep checking the channel every day assuming I missed it.
Me too.
It's there now!
Gosh, I just think it’s great that you’re doing this kinda stuff…amazing songs to choose from too!!!!
Always love these vids!! ~cheers
Glad you enjoyed it
Super cool video! I love the pedalboard by the way 😍
🙏🙏🙏
I really enjoy getting and striving for different tones from my favorite players. The longer I play, the more important practicing is to getting "tones." You can nail waveforms and band width frequencies. It's harder to nail the percussive ferocity of SRV'S style.
Excellent! I personally would have thrown in the Boss Dimension C DC 2w for the SRV Testify track for the added thickness. I think I remember hering something about SRV using a Roland Dimension D during the recording of Texas Flood, and many even Couldn't stand the Weather recordings. Pretty spot on either way. Love to see this kinda stuff. Great work, guys.
Yes, we could have. In fact, I did a video about this about a year ago. I guess I should take my own advice! LOL!
@VertexEffectsInc It's all good, but it would be cool to see a follow-up video regarding SRV's studio/live tone. Maybe add the Boss Dimension C DC2w to another SRV tone recreation. I know it's a lotta work just to do that, but it's very cool to see those results. You've got one of the most informative channels for guitar players on RUclips. Thanks for all that you do.
VERTEX, are you ever going to make a mini version of the vertex dynamic distortion pedal that has more options control parameters? you should have used the vertex dynamic distortion pedal to make a video lesson on how to record Hendrix and SRV songs. I hope you do this soon
Where is it best to connect the Line 6 Helix into a FrFr monitor or into an amplifier via the Loop Effect input? Thank you so much.
I believe mayer is using the middle pickup
John used the middle pickup for the intro to Slow Dancing on Continuum. Didn't use the out of phase until live. That is the difference.
There is a noticeable frequency in the mids that isn't as pronounced in the pedal and bandmaster compared to SRV. The effects make a significant difference in the Eric Johnson tune. The high mids or low treble is more pronounced on Burning Room. It sounds close enough to get the "dumble sound" but not quite enough to perfectly emulate - just depends on how picky someone is. Nobody would be able to tell in a band context.
Another note on Burning Room, are you sure that song used a Dumble? I don't believe Mayer always used a Dumble...
I think that a lot of the differences are attributed to the fact that we can’t hear what was recorded straight off the mic in a lot of these cases, and we’re getting a mixed in mastered version that we’re trying to replicate with the similar studio equipment, microphones, etc. I’m sure if we wanted to use a bunch of different plug-ins, we could probably make it closer, but the intent here was just to use the pedals in order to get there. I consulted with Justin Jeske regarding songs that used the steel string singer, this was his recommendation. He seems to be one of the most knowledgeable people out there as far as the equipment is concerned, and where it was used.
All I hear is a lack of compressor on yalls version vs the recordings. Other than the SRV tune where it’s the room mix
Key thing, this is challenging stuff. Great job btw.
I personally think the main that’s “off” is the actual pickups used (old vs new vs custom made etc). As far as matching the tones, that’s an area you can’t compensate for. Plus the fingers that are playing it ha.
I think you got as close as you can. Great job
Mayer plays this finger style, which would warm up the tone and loose the pick attack.
Great video….
When the Dan Huff interview?
Can you break down Ernie Isley’s set up on voyage to Atlantis?
Also, for the studio recording it’s highly debated whether he used the middle or neck/middle position on his 64 strat. Obviously the neck/mid for live. But give the middle pickup a try.
I agree
You're talking about for "Slow Dancing"? I also wonder how unique those pickups are as they tend to be deceptive to me at times when I hear it, where I'm sure it's a middle pickup and then he's on the neck.
Great playing Tim! Love how you incorporated that chordal vibrato. So important for this song!
@@VertexEffectsInc I feel ya! I think we all need to flood Chad Franscoviak’s DMs to get the skinny on this😂
In terms of traditional Strat pickup tones, Slow Dancing sounds present and quacky enough to be the middle pickup. It does not sounds like neck-middle to my ears
Sounds like Stevie was using a middle pickup position in testify , maybe you could have switched pickup choices.
It sounds like EJ was using the neck pickup on SRV
I left a lot of these decisions up to Tim, as he was the one learning the parts note for note, it’s interesting, because we looked at a lot of different live footage, and there’s mixed positions between the neck and middle, and just the neck alone, depending on which video it was. Nevertheless, I thought this tone overall was closest for Eric Johnson of all three examples.
The difference could be the heavier string guage Stevie used.
SRV sound (in my opinion) plays better with dead strings. I think because he played them so hard they died quick so the sounds were used to have a lot more softness than you get with brand new strings. I’ve noticed this while playing SRV stuff myself on a stray that hasn’t had strings changed in a while
I honestly think Slow Dancing In A Burning Room just needed a little more spring reverb to match the recording…at least through my setup..
We tried a couple of different techniques, and I think that this might’ve been a combination of room, Reverb, and maybe the room itself, in probably coming after the microphone. I think we could get a lot closer if we were adding a bunch of plug-ins to this, but the intent of this test was to try to re-create everything with pedals in front of the amp. It should also be said that the Reverb inside of the amplifier would be coming after the preempt section, where is, we were running it in front of the amplifier, so the signal path there is somewhat hard to replicate with the guitar pedal, because the spring reverb wouldn’t be before the input of the amplifier.
@@VertexEffectsInc for sure! Still so so close!! Nicely done!
Good to see Fred Armisen with a wig in the middle of the thumbnail
Ha! How bout that vest!
Joyo American Sound is all you need.
That SRV tone is in the hands. Close though!
True, but SRV’s studio signal chain is a huge percentage of the actual sound we hear.
@@kristopherk5454 very good point! 🙂
I almost want to say his sound is 100% his hands & 100% his gear. 😊
Sounds good ..to be real picky...the hands aren't quite getting the muted bass tone SRV achieves from his right hand technique..close enough for sure..he swings for the fences...lol..
Nobody can do Stevie like Stevie to Tim's credit!
Slow Dancing sounds like it was recorded on the Third position
Buy good quality equipment and it's hard to go wrong. We all just witnessed that. 👍
The Stevie track you recorded has too much mid range and more bass than SRV. He sounded more compressed and scooped in the mids.
Sounds like you used the wrong pickup for the eric johnson and john mayer songs
It’s an interesting debate. As far as the John Mayer thing is concerned, I kind of left that part up to Tim to decide. When I look at live performances of Eric Johnson, I’ve seen him play the song with both the middle and neck, as well as just the neck alone. In any case, I thought the Eric Johnson one was probably the closest tone wise.
I don’t think he used the Neck & middle on the recording. I’m pretty sure he used Virginia. That combo was wired out phase on that guitar.
Slow dancing sounds like middle pup to me and I read he used an Allesandro modded deluxe reverb or something, but who knows! EJ was most close yea
Slow dancing, and the lead on gravity are both middle pup on the recording. Everyone, including Mayer himself, plays it on the neck+middle when doing it live.. which is funny.
@@johncruz9357It wasn’t Virginia, it was a ‘64 or ‘65 Strat.
Just to give credit it where it's due. Hendrix on guitar.:
ruclips.net/video/liYjtyGt0v8/видео.html&ab_channel=TheIsleyBrothers-Topic
I don’t think anything in the video disputes this, since we’re trying to go for the Dumble steel string singer thing, presumably, this amp wasn’t used on the original
My point had to do with the composition of Testify, not the tone. A lot of times it's not mentioned in commentary that it's an Isley Bros. composition, with a strong assist from Hendrix.
Why not use a spectrograph to check and verify the frequencies are close to the original?
Use your ears instead, they’re what matter.
EJ killed him and recreated.... god
Why is the SSS able to go directly into a power amp while the smaller one has to go into the front of the amp? I'm assuming the SSS output is line-level; is the smaller one not?
*Personally I've always found Mayer's tone underwhelming.
The SSS is going into a cabinet simulator, not power amp. The cab sim is digital and can take a variety of levels. We just did it to show some of the differentiators of the SSS Slight Return (double preamp) compared to the Steel String MKII Slight Return Mini (single channel)
@@VertexEffectsInc I realize that it was was cab sim, but it'll work into a power amp, right? Is the smaller one at line level?
It's cool and interesting, but these are very different sound characters.
In all three cases, you have deeper reverb and a flatter, ringier sound than the original. The guitar lacks "physicality" in your sound options. I don't know how else to express it. All the originals have a characteristic boost in the midrange, which you don't have.
I hear the same. In the original tracks the mic‘ed dumble has a 3D sound. The guitar breaths. You can hear the tube amp working. The copies are sounding flat in comparison
This is really impressive. To my ear the guitar / amp tones are very, very similar. The biggest difference I hear between the original masters and the recreations is that the recreations sound more hi-fi and more detailed - which (heresy alert) - I actually prefer over the originals.
Good point. I think that’s proof that good tones for records don’t always sound “huge” without the context of the song.
Nope
Yawn... Your pedals aren't really doing anything transformative. The quality and ear of the player is doing way more towards emulating these tones than your little box of components.
Nah they help a lot. The guitar player in this clip is indeed phenomenal. I’m an ok guitar player, but my vertex SSS helps me get as humanly possible close to John mayer’s clean tone, and the SRV version helps me tremendously get into SRV territory. And LORD knows I can’t play like either John Mayer and SRV. Watch the vertex channel from the past 2 years. The dude really isn’t trying to sell you or push you on his pedals, they sell themselves. He just genuinely enjoys the hunt for tone. If this “little box” can help me get close to the tone of my heroes without replicating their unattainable rigs, why the heck not. It’s fun to play guitar. Happy Valentine’s Day