Todd is a tricky player with old school type game who didn't give you pace, a la Manarino. Winston, you returned very well, and did a good job extending the points... patience won the day.
He plays exactly like my coach friend. Just content to keep the ball in and let me miss. Sometimes when he gets a sitter he will put some pace on it and put it away. It's really hard to beat these guys unless you are consistent and have weapons that can move them around. Oh anytime I play singles with my friend, he's a 4.5, I might get 1 or 2 games where he is fooling around.
Gold content. Todd's effortless style is addictive and looks very effective. Would love to see him get into it and see his improved version later on for sure. Winston, would love to see some older guys like Todd still hittin' some good balls. Thanks as always for the awesome content. M
@@TenisAmadorYes, it is. There are rules. How about touching the net on a volley? Perhaps reaching across the net to hit a volley winner? Or maybe you prefer hitting on a double bounce/not up? Where do you draw the line “at this level”? Get out of here. 🤣
Like to see us experienced fellas on court still banging. Like the deliberate play of Todd, and you can see where the strokes are. Good to hear he is building back. And good play as always Winston. Cheers fellas.
Winston been watching for a long time. You have really been working on your game of late. Forehand bend is beautiful and the backhand is flat and hard. Enjoy your hard work.
Aw! Baby Tis! Looks just like daddy ‘Tis! This is an excellent video my dude. You are a great dude my friend. If I ever visit California I want to get together for a fun match. I would have so much fun playing tennis with you, win lose or drawl, we would have fun in our match. This was a great match Winston thank you for posting this video my dude.
Nothing surprises me more as a significant oldster than the forehand grip serve...all the way to Roger. Yes it's a mild Eastern (not always), but far removed from the old "do it this way" days.
Well played by Winston, some smooth tennis at times from Todd. As an older player who used to play with multifilament and switched to poly, the groundstroke consistency with way more power and spin is off the charts in comparison, I can hit sooo much harder now -- and so I wonder how it would be if Todd switched to the Hyper G Round or at least like mains with poly and crosses with multi if concerns over the arm. I feel like he would have made a good deal more of his attacking shots, playing with multi it feels so much harder to consistently make aggressive groundstrokes thus the impetus for more slicing, taking the ball early and getting to net.
you have so many opportunities to come to net you should take your forehand is such a great weapon its unfortunate you return to the baseline after some really good attacking balls
You should try doing a doubles match with todd, dylan and trey. I think that would make for some fun matches since you all are similar levels (except dylan of course lol)
Hi everyone, it's Todd. Quick shout out to Winston for having me on the channel even though I had no business being out here. 🙂 It was a fun experience, and a little surreal having the camera there and a reminder that this could get a lot of views. I learned a lot from playing this match and watching it later and realizing I can't be so passive. I have to keep focused on my strategy and getting after my shots. I look forward to our rematch! And yes, all your comments are true!
I enjoy your videos and haven't viewed this one yet. I used to play 4.5 regularly for years and subbed in 5.0 leagues. Also was in the USPTA for years. My preliminary opinions on USTA ratings...There's little difference between these 2 levels. The main thing I've always found was that 5.0s served a bit better, especially 2nd serves. Secondly, 5.0s hit with a bit more pace and heavier spin. But, when you have a set like this, you can't say 5.0 SHOULD beat 4.5. Age matters, styles matter, and importantly, movement matters. A lesser-ranked player who moves better can beat a higher-rated one who has better strokes, if they can get to the ball quicker. I'm going to also see if I think Todd is indeed still a 5.0. Also, I've found that players from different regions of the country are rated differently too. In the US, New York's 4.5 is Florida's 4.0, for example. Okay, now I'm going to watch the video and come back with a reaction. We're back...here goes...it was obvious that Winston's younger age, Todd's rust, the superior physicality of the younger man, Todd's relative lack of racquet head speed, Winston's quickness of movement and better agility, and Todd basically "pushing" his strokes (by today's standards,) all led to a handy set. Serves of both were okay, though neither could win easy points on serve, a mark of a good 5.0. My conclusion is Todd has a very nice game and certainly knows how to play but is not playing at a 5.0 level right now. Maybe he will get back to that. You can see that he was probably better in the past when he was younger, but today, the physicality of youth prevailed. And Winston is definitely a tough out. Thanks for posting this content. It's always fun to watch.
The 4.5/5.0 divide is interesting. Seems like: 4.5; Either a) athletic person with good mechanics and power who needs better consistency (e.g. Winston), or b) very consistent, but no athleticism, power or mechanics (won't name names, but search for USTA 4.5 on youtube). The latter group seems to hit the ceiling at 4.5, and the former will move up as their consistency improves. 5.0; either a) High-level older players who have lost some condition (e.g. Todd), or b) those former 4.5a's on their way up. Basically, you do not cross that divide without good athleticism and striking power. To move beyond it you need total consistency, strategy and conditioning.
One glaring thing is that Todd comes close to the baseline after hitting every shot, then when a shot comes to him, he backs up and hits. He looses power and penetration with this back up footwork pattern. Instead, he should recover by back up after every shot and then come forward into every shot. This will give more natural power and consistency and add heaviness to the ball.
Hey Winston your video audio is always so clear, what do you do to remove/reduce wind noise with your gopro, do you have any accessories or mufflers that help with that issue?
This guy is definitely not a 5.0. He’s a 4.5 and that’s perfectly fine. His body language was very poor which led to him somewhat tanking. Maybe he was feeling the nerves of being filmed, but his mechanics, footwork & shot selections were not of a 5.0 player. Winston, I actually would like to see you use the reverse forehand more when you’re behind the baseline. You’re creating more revolutions on the ball and can hit some tricky patterns with the reverse.
Just out of curiosity How fast is the wind going there? I live in Florida and I was practicing my serve yesterday and the wind was in the 20 mph range and my toss was blowing everywhere. Did the wind affect your serve today fellas? I am just wondering?
He is just out of shape for competitive tennis. Tennis is all about footwork. I'm his age and in similar shape. I can play really well for like 3 games and then my game drops like crazy
As an aging grinder (early 40s), I'm interested in adopting/learning a less grueling style at the 4.5/5.0 level. Todd looks like me, especially the unforced errors.
From this video, Todd's strokes are smooth, but he doesn't have the mobility to get to the ball and keep a rally going. In his current physical shape, he would lose to most 4.5 singles players (like Winston) who are steady and move the ball around the court. He was out of gas after 10 minutes of singles and won almost none of the rallies that went beyond 3-4 shots. He might be a bit better in doubles, but otherwise, pickleball might be a better option. For context, I was a computer rated 5.0 from 2015-2017, which was the last time that I played in USTA leagues (So Cal section), so I'm commenting from my personal experience here.
Todd is 8.3 UTR and is a USTA 5.0, and Hermont is almost an 11 UTR and is also a USTA 5.0? Those USTA levels are weird. I wonder what my UTR would have been 26 years ago.
Todd is a 4.0 in my estimation; so let's get aptly titled here..lol good job though, getting out there...36 lbs tho?, eesh i'm 60 and I'm still at 53 lbs, poly on mains plus wilson-sensation on the cross
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Todd is a tricky player with old school type game who didn't give you pace, a la Manarino. Winston, you returned very well, and did a good job extending the points... patience won the day.
He plays exactly like my coach friend. Just content to keep the ball in and let me miss. Sometimes when he gets a sitter he will put some pace on it and put it away. It's really hard to beat these guys unless you are consistent and have weapons that can move them around. Oh anytime I play singles with my friend, he's a 4.5, I might get 1 or 2 games where he is fooling around.
He’s indeed a pusher.
Gold content. Todd's effortless style is addictive and looks very effective. Would love to see him get into it and see his improved version later on for sure.
Winston, would love to see some older guys like Todd still hittin' some good balls.
Thanks as always for the awesome content.
M
Todd footfaulted like crazy 😭
that's not a fault, that's a feature at that point.
Winston wins from all the footfaults alone
Absolutely not relevant at this level.
More of "whole body fault".. Geez
@@TenisAmadorYes, it is. There are rules. How about touching the net on a volley? Perhaps reaching across the net to hit a volley winner? Or maybe you prefer hitting on a double bounce/not up? Where do you draw the line “at this level”? Get out of here. 🤣
Like to see us experienced fellas on court still banging. Like the deliberate play of Todd, and you can see where the strokes are. Good to hear he is building back. And good play as always Winston. Cheers fellas.
Winston been watching for a long time. You have really been working on your game of late. Forehand bend is beautiful and the backhand is flat and hard. Enjoy your hard work.
I like Todd’s effortless one hand backhand…makes me want to try it (again 😂). Winston, you are improving with every video!
Todd gassed out in 10 minutes
Decent player won't do that.
Whenever Winston gets to deuce the scoreboard says Winston DU 😂 creative 😉
Jeeez Winston your backhand has improved so much since your old videos!!
@7:47 serve was in
He definitely said no, not let otherwise they would have replayed the point
Love the mature tennis of Todd! When we age, we have to rely on efficiency of motion, old-man spin, and other tricks!
By old man spin do you mean backspin
😆
We would like to see a rematch after Todd gets in shape!
Oh yeah
Aw! Baby Tis! Looks just like daddy ‘Tis! This is an excellent video my dude. You are a great dude my friend. If I ever visit California I want to get together for a fun match. I would have so much fun playing tennis with you, win lose or drawl, we would have fun in our match. This was a great match Winston thank you for posting this video my dude.
Nothing surprises me more as a significant oldster than the forehand grip serve...all the way to Roger.
Yes it's a mild Eastern (not always), but far removed from the old "do it this way" days.
And I thought I was the only middle-aged dude playing with a Head Instinct MP 😂 Love that racquet!
@06:05 Dang Todd!! That SABR looked GREAT!!
Todd foot faults on every. Single. Serve.
"I'm not a grinder".....proceeds to play most of the match passively and defensively. Love the backhand.....attack that second serve!
Todd is smooth, and his old school style is refreshing to watch. Liked this video a lot!
Well played by Winston, some smooth tennis at times from Todd. As an older player who used to play with multifilament and switched to poly, the groundstroke consistency with way more power and spin is off the charts in comparison, I can hit sooo much harder now -- and so I wonder how it would be if Todd switched to the Hyper G Round or at least like mains with poly and crosses with multi if concerns over the arm. I feel like he would have made a good deal more of his attacking shots, playing with multi it feels so much harder to consistently make aggressive groundstrokes thus the impetus for more slicing, taking the ball early and getting to net.
you have so many opportunities to come to net you should take
your forehand is such a great weapon its unfortunate you return to the baseline after some really good attacking balls
Exactly my thought
Todd has one of the smoothest and effortless forehand strokes.
Yeah, but that string tension was not helping him at all.
Hey Todd, didn't you use to live in DFW? I think we used to play with each other. You're still killing it!
I did live in DFW for a bit! Small world.
7:47 that's sooo in Winston :D
Lol
I thought that was in too, but found it was likely out after checking the slow motion.
@@zlzhao1104 You must be right, that was soooo totally out.
it was a let
I thought I heard him say let
Im over 40 and find it hard to catch up with younger players after 1st set. Always winning a few games like 0-4 or 1-5 than lost the set. geeze
I don't, most can't keep up with me.
40s is not that old.
todd’s game is inspiringly smooth
Yes
Great competitive match! Todd has a great slice backhand. Like the previous video, Winston's backhand is on fire.
Loved all of his backhand slices ✅♥️
But seeing none of the complete backhands is boring 🥴
Todd looks like he has the good footwork of someone who played competitively
Winston if it hits the line it’s in
You should try doing a doubles match with todd, dylan and trey. I think that would make for some fun matches since you all are similar levels (except dylan of course lol)
Winston, you need to increase Karue’s coaching salary. You are playing some brilliant tennis. Todd, your strokes are silky smooth, effortless power.
Hi everyone, it's Todd. Quick shout out to Winston for having me on the channel even though I had no business being out here. 🙂
It was a fun experience, and a little surreal having the camera there and a reminder that this could get a lot of views.
I learned a lot from playing this match and watching it later and realizing I can't be so passive. I have to keep focused on my strategy and getting after my shots.
I look forward to our rematch!
And yes, all your comments are true!
I enjoy your videos and haven't viewed this one yet. I used to play 4.5 regularly for years and subbed in 5.0 leagues. Also was in the USPTA for years. My preliminary opinions on USTA ratings...There's little difference between these 2 levels. The main thing I've always found was that 5.0s served a bit better, especially 2nd serves. Secondly, 5.0s hit with a bit more pace and heavier spin. But, when you have a set like this, you can't say 5.0 SHOULD beat 4.5. Age matters, styles matter, and importantly, movement matters. A lesser-ranked player who moves better can beat a higher-rated one who has better strokes, if they can get to the ball quicker. I'm going to also see if I think Todd is indeed still a 5.0. Also, I've found that players from different regions of the country are rated differently too. In the US, New York's 4.5 is Florida's 4.0, for example. Okay, now I'm going to watch the video and come back with a reaction. We're back...here goes...it was obvious that Winston's younger age, Todd's rust, the superior physicality of the younger man, Todd's relative lack of racquet head speed, Winston's quickness of movement and better agility, and Todd basically "pushing" his strokes (by today's standards,) all led to a handy set. Serves of both were okay, though neither could win easy points on serve, a mark of a good 5.0. My conclusion is Todd has a very nice game and certainly knows how to play but is not playing at a 5.0 level right now. Maybe he will get back to that. You can see that he was probably better in the past when he was younger, but today, the physicality of youth prevailed. And Winston is definitely a tough out. Thanks for posting this content. It's always fun to watch.
Clinical 1 backhander drop from Todd
Winston, my man, a Lacoste polo and no socks that’s pushing it 😂
🤣
Todd was a very smart player.
Toddster did well. Kind of hard when the fitness levels of both players are so far apart.
The 4.5/5.0 divide is interesting. Seems like: 4.5; Either a) athletic person with good mechanics and power who needs better consistency (e.g. Winston), or b) very consistent, but no athleticism, power or mechanics (won't name names, but search for USTA 4.5 on youtube). The latter group seems to hit the ceiling at 4.5, and the former will move up as their consistency improves. 5.0; either a) High-level older players who have lost some condition (e.g. Todd), or b) those former 4.5a's on their way up.
Basically, you do not cross that divide without good athleticism and striking power. To move beyond it you need total consistency, strategy and conditioning.
One glaring thing is that Todd comes close to the baseline after hitting every shot, then when a shot comes to him, he backs up and hits. He looses power and penetration with this back up footwork pattern.
Instead, he should recover by back up after every shot and then come forward into every shot. This will give more natural power and consistency and add heaviness to the ball.
*loses
Hey Winston your video audio is always so clear, what do you do to remove/reduce wind noise with your gopro, do you have any accessories or mufflers that help with that issue?
I don't do anything
Todd is a smart player.
This guy is definitely not a 5.0. He’s a 4.5 and that’s perfectly fine. His body language was very poor which led to him somewhat tanking. Maybe he was feeling the nerves of being filmed, but his mechanics, footwork & shot selections were not of a 5.0 player.
Winston, I actually would like to see you use the reverse forehand more when you’re behind the baseline. You’re creating more revolutions on the ball and can hit some tricky patterns with the reverse.
Todd looked rusty and out of shape or maybe just tired.
He said *was*
Hey Dub, you really are playing better.
The serve at 7:45 was in.
Just out of curiosity How fast is the wind going there? I live in Florida and I was practicing my serve yesterday and the wind was in the 20 mph range and my toss was blowing everywhere. Did the wind affect your serve today fellas? I am just wondering?
Good defense and returning
Todd got a beautiful game
More one-handed bach-hand players! Fed next
He is just out of shape for competitive tennis. Tennis is all about footwork. I'm his age and in similar shape. I can play really well for like 3 games and then my game drops like crazy
As an aging grinder (early 40s), I'm interested in adopting/learning a less grueling style at the 4.5/5.0 level. Todd looks like me, especially the unforced errors.
@Winston Du Awesome are you sponsored by Lacoste?
todd is one cool cat
Random question, what camera setup do you use? Footage always crispy 💪🏽🙌🏽
USTa ratings must be tougher in Miami
Should really be USTA Section rating. I've heard it expressed that different areas vary.
Dang Winston those groundies are looking 5.0. Other aspects are still in the 4.5 range
From this video, Todd's strokes are smooth, but he doesn't have the mobility to get to the ball and keep a rally going. In his current physical shape, he would lose to most 4.5 singles players (like Winston) who are steady and move the ball around the court. He was out of gas after 10 minutes of singles and won almost none of the rallies that went beyond 3-4 shots. He might be a bit better in doubles, but otherwise, pickleball might be a better option.
For context, I was a computer rated 5.0 from 2015-2017, which was the last time that I played in USTA leagues (So Cal section), so I'm commenting from my personal experience here.
How old is Todd?
Todd is 8.3 UTR and is a USTA 5.0, and Hermont is almost an 11 UTR and is also a USTA 5.0? Those USTA levels are weird. I wonder what my UTR would have been 26 years ago.
Winston won just by the amount of foot faults by Todd.
If Todd is a 5.0, you should be 5.5. You are a much better player, I think.
Surprised about the 5.0 self rating of Todd
He’ll be here in south Florida a 3.5/4.0 player for sure
You'd be wrong
It's not a self-rating. Was a 5.0 a few years ago by the USTA.
Todd just needs to work on his fitness which he knows. You can't get fit by playing tennis, you need to be fit to play tennis.
Did he say he strings his racket at 34lbs?!
Yes
Yup. Bumping it up a bit after this match. 34 is toooo low.
@@toddmueller I’m impressed that you can even get the ball in the court with such low tension
Todd is a 4.0 in my estimation; so let's get aptly titled here..lol good job though, getting out there...36 lbs tho?, eesh i'm 60 and I'm still at 53 lbs, poly on mains plus wilson-sensation on the cross
Good win Winston! By Todd is in no way a 5.0 player… he doesn’t have the stamina. Way to many errors
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I would to play a match with you
UTR 8 is like a good 4.5, this guy looks more like a 7
He just looks very out of shape. You can see the vestiges of a true 5.0 in there.
this dude was never a 5.0
WInston is such an ohio skibidi rizzer with his gyatt out so bad
on skibidi he goated
7:49 Todd being robbed
Played in college? Not so sure about that. You’d quickly learn not to foot fault. I’d call that shit on you every time!
Good idea.
Thats alot of foot fault
Was going to un-sub if you lost this one, Winston 😂
Kinda hard to watch 😢
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I like how relaxed Todd hits.
Todd is a solid 4.5 def not 5.0
brodie's not 5.0
U 2 go play pickle ball instead 😅
Lol 5.0 footfalting all serve
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Todd is not a 5.0. Laughable