Hi guys ... huge congratulations on a tough decision taken thoughtfully. You’ve shown your mettle on this channel over the past couple of years and I’m one of those backing you to continue to overcome the challenges that everyone who owns a boat knows about! No one has a right to hassle you while you work through the issues. I reported one of those who made a bullying, personal comment a couple of days ago and it seems he’s been taken down. We all need to take a stand against people who post aggressively on social media. Meanwhile, go you guys ... good luck with the battles!! 🤙🎉⛵️🍻
Congrats, guys! She is georgeous!!! You'r e probably ready with most of the work by now, but anyway, all the blood, sweat and tears you put into her, make that you enjoy her way more than if you would have bought a new boat. :-) Greetingz, Wim
All that matters is that you both love the boat.Enjoy it.All the work is probably done by now so looking forward to the sailing videos closer to real time..Congragulations on your great attitude and videos,keep up the great work .
Fascinating video. All those aspiring to buy a used sailboat really wonder what a boat survey consists of, how it should be analyzed, etc is helpful, informative, so the survey section of this is excellent. I'll get back to watching the rest of this!
You have been sensible, thorough and realistic; I think you’ll be fine. All boats need maintenance; this one is a beautiful boat with plenty of room. You seem to like it so that is the important thing, if you can afford it great. People have been crossing the oceans for hundreds of years in similar boats. Good luck and enjoy it you deserve it.
You got a great deal. It's a huge step up in comfort and a world cruiser at half the cost. I don't think you will ever regret buying that boat. I'd also put money on the fact that when you go to sell her you won't loose a penny. You bought her right and by the sound of it, no major repairs needed. When you need to replace the standing rigging check out synthetic rigging. It's much lighter, a littler cheaper, and last a long time...also easy to change out if necessary. You guys know what you're doing. Great job!!! 👍👍✌️✌️
The 2 happiest days in boat ownership - the day you buy it and the day you sell it! Kittiwake was simple to maintain and fix. Look forward to seeing how you guys get on.
That's only true if you're doing it wrong :) We had some absolutely wonderful days on Kittiwake, some of the best of our lives, the buying and selling wouldn't even be in the top 20. Hopefully the new boat will be the same :)
You brought a hole in the water now pore in the money, the good news is freedom to move as long as you are willing to put in the work. I'm an old boatbuilder from NZ
I think you have clearly done your research in the make and model boat you want, and found one that seems to be in your price range. I think you have done your due diligence in researching the health and condition of this particular boat, and are well informed of it's condition and what it is going to take to get it where you want it to be. You have lessened the number of "surprises" you will encounter to the minimum you could. Once you put all that information into the pot and let it simmer awhile, you made a decision based on the best info you have, and your gut feelings...and that is about all anyone can do. I look forward to seeing you bring her back to life.
I have at times admired the Yayana 37. The spoon bow, the Collin Archer stern❤ Now you own one! I like the way you redid your teak decks. I built my 36 by screwing my teak down and pegs. Others now are complaining that they wished they had pulled the deck up and either used 'all grip' or clued the teak down with new and improved glues. With some much work done please continue as ya go. May your seas be kindly, and the wind to your back.
Cheers Michael, yes we heard so many people saying that teak decks were the devil, and to never buy a boat with a teak deck etc... but we love them so far! Great grip and don't show dirty footprints like painted decks do.
Hey Jay, then our channel should be right up your street :) For us, living on a sailboat means a lot of hard work, which in turn means that swimming in a stunning anchorage or exploring a new town feels even more special. We try to keep things real, rather then trying to sell a luxury lifestyle.
Good luck guys. Everything can.be fixed if you have enough time and money.The best part is that when you are finished you will know exactly what you have.
Thats a great blue water boat! At 40 years old but about the same price as your 26' catamaran, you guys will be very happy. Tayanas are fabulous boats.... Fiberglassing is like cooking, get a good recipe book, you'll do fine! There's alot of DIY RUclips videos out there: Boatworks Today, Sail life, Onboard Lifestyle, etc. I'm looking forward to you sailing her to the Caribbean in the future, cheers you two!
Tayana’s are great boats, found all over the world. I hope she lives up to your expectations and carries you both safely, far and wide. The works you need to carry out, will teach you both a great deal about her and prepare you for any future emergencies. Fair winds 😎
We have a Hans Christian 38 1984, so a similar boat to this one. We owned it a year then hauled out for what we thought was going to be a month ended up 7 months in the boat yard. We are pleased we did, we learnt so much about our old girl and now we can rest easy that we know what she is made of. All the stainless steel needed replacing 32 years is about the life of SS. The rudder post, all bolts, the drive shaft, the water and black water tanks, the staunchness. We replaced the original engine, all electrical wiring, gas lines and plumbing. The hull is good, the teak decks had been taken off and fibreglassed previously we do need to repaired the deck small cracks and paint them. There is a bit of rain water getting in somewhere? Now the rigging is over 10 years old the insurer will not insure it, the hull is insured just not the rigging, it is in good condition but we will get it done this year. Hopefully not another 7 months in the yard! The surveyor said it was ready for blue water cruising when we brought her 2015! Oh yer he didn't look to closely. Do you follow SV Prism, they refitted a HC same issues as we all face with old Taiwan made boats. But they are beautiful, all the best.
Thank you sweet sailing folks. I hope you have fun living the process. It seems we all could use that way of living, enjoying the process that is. What a fantastic possibility for a home you can move with wind across oceans to the most beautiful places in the world. It's sweet to get to have a window on the adventure. Good luck with all.
Bob Perry design , defiantly a good decision , whatever it takes this will be a great boat worth the work. This can defiantly be a forever boat. Congratulations! Check. Out bob Perrys interview on the podcast on 'On the wind' by Andy Schell. Lots of positives , newer rig , engine , equipment defiantly a great choice . Cheers Warren
Sailing Kittiwake I'm so glad, the bulkhead are a common problem in Asian boats the ply is bad, a friend has a 45 something and he replaced the bulkheads yet somehow saved the teak veneer ....he is an ex-pro aircraft builder so finicky! Cheers Warren
Great to see your process of getting the Tayana. You are right to be cautious and you were both obviously pensive in the survey de brief but considered everything carefully, pros and cons. I felt very much the same when I bought my Rival as it had lots going for it and some negatives. Surveys are never a good read but once you pin down the essential jobs, those you can do yourself and those that might need professional help then it becomes clear. I must admit I fell in love with my Rival when I stepped aboard and the negatives that I found afterwards were a downer on me possibly buying it. Sounds like you built up in your mind what the boat may be like based on owner description but found things slightly different in the light of day. I don’t think you will regret this at all as it gives you access to the world for cruising and space to grow onboard in comfort. Fair winds and can’t wait to hear how she performs at sea. Andy UK
Hi guys, I loved this video, you really showed the dilemnas you were having, I have no idea if I would have bought this boat or not as I don't know enough about boats to decide, I did like the way you looked at it though and if there was a solution to a problem then really its ok, you have a fix in place( I guess then time and money come into play). You said it was your dreamboat so i'm glad you decided to go ahead, it will be interesting to see the repairs and journey to completion. it looks to me like a definite step up in terms of space and sailing skills so massive best wishes. your a great pair, so likeable and I send good vibes and sailing love your way. PS I notice a few snide comments below and guess that comes with the territory but I find it so disappointing, obviously not all comments can be favourable but if your being negative I think you should at least be constructive with it. Good on you Ryan and Elena. safe journeys.
Exciting dilema. I have recently moved up from 27f foot to 35 and she is huge. But the bills are bigger too. Would not go back though 😂 You have bought her so best of luck. Nothing wrong with dirt. Keeps the price down and easily solved. But you are rightly cautious about potential issues under the dirt. I bet the sails are tired. Hull engine and mast OK. Ais and Taylor heater is nice. You are going in eyes open (or trying to - weve all been there). As you say, definitely drill to check for deck rot. Definitely do this. Even now you've bought her. It is always better to know. 15 year old rigging is a concern if you are going anywhere. Possibly replace with galvanised? Rotting bulkheads a concern. How did the water get in. What else is rotten? Anything can be fixed but the volume of work is the issue. You don't give financial numbers so hard to guage the balance point of cost vs benefit. She is beautiful though. I look forward to the refit story All the best S
To your question, I would have purchased the boat and focused my efforts on the rudder and the standing rigging. Any wood replaced for the bulkheads I would paint white to brighten up the interior. This video really got me excited to see what is coming up.
Go for it! its a beautiful boat. That and the Hans Christian are boats that where so well made and like Tanks out in the ocean and I don't mean slow just could go through anything. Good luck and look forward to seeing your progress. cheers all the best to you. Andy
She is beautiful and will be marvelous when she has experienced your love and care, yes I would have bought her because she will be a dream come true, Congratulations!!! Enjoy! I look forward to seeing her back on form, I don't think that you will ever regret the decision, fair winds (sv esfani)
I had one of the T 37, I got her new back in 1984, I ended up with her because of some mix up with the order for a T 42 I had in, so they gave me this T 37 that they had in stock, well you know he old saying that every cloud has a silver lining, well this mix up was one of the best things that ever happened to me, I loved that little boat, and I sailed all over the place in her, including both what's across the Atlantic, most of the time single handed. In all the good and bad weather I was in on her I never felt at any time threatened, she will look after you even in the worst conditions, you will give up before she gives up and when you do she is very easy to hove too, and she will lay there and wait for you, they like to be reefed sooner rather than later, but out in the ocean you could not ask for better. Of course mine was new so I never had any of the problems you are faced with, but if you give her all the TLC she needs you will be rewarded 10 fold, mine had the pull berth, instead of a V berth, and that was the most comfortable bunk I have ever had. There are two places where your water damage may be from, normally on the T37 it is from the chain plates, but if she is an early one it may be under the cap rail, there may be a join under there, right in the middle, and on some of the older ones it was over lapped in the wrong direction and water would seep in. With modern opoxy it is easy to fix if you take the cap rail off, repair it and then sekaflex the cap rail back on. But double check that the chain plates have been done correctly. You guys should join the Robert Perry fan club, on FB, Bob will answer any questions on construction or repairs you have, he is a great guy. Good luck, you have bought a great boat.
I had a Valiant 40 which was also designed by Bob Perry and was a heavy blue water boat. It was a great liveaboard boat with both a forward and aft cabin..
Good on ya for restoring this classic. I personally would not have teak decks but at least if the core is ok that can be dealt with later. I've always liked the Tayana 37. Living wise I think she will be perfect for you. Will be interesting to hear your impressions sailing a full keel boat like this.
If you got boat for a dirt cheap price you have a winner. The hull,engine,deck,spars,sails are good,you have an expensive all weather quality yacht for very little,you both are young and fit have jobs,you both have the world before you.If i were you i would get on my knees and thank God for his goodness.
Really interesting to watch this episode & to hear your thought processes which show how much you've learned. For what you want to do she's a great choice. There is and always will be work to do but for us normal working folk who live on & own older boats because it's what we can afford it's just part of the whole thing. Some of it is a pain, some more enjoyable and new skills to be learned on the way. That boat in the right hands can be beautifil, characterful and very capable of going wherever you want so good luck and I look forward very much to seeing how it all goes...
Now you have a proper blue water live aboard boat. Rough around the edges as all 40 yr old boats tend to be but solid hull, decks, diesel, and rig to take you wherever you want to go. You will love the gentle roll motion and sea keeping on this I expect. Lots of projects so give her your labor of love! I am still a catamaran guy and would probably have chosen a 10 yr old Seawind 1160 but that is in a different world in terms of cost. Cheers from SoCal!
Well done! All defects can be rectified and she will be beautiful again! Quite a step up in size and capability from Kittiwake. Will you keep the name? Great video!
If you got the Tayana for same amount you sold Kittiwake for you did well. It’s been months since you bought her so by now you can answer the question of whether it was the right thing to do. I hope you’ll not keep us waiting long to see how happy you are with your decision in spite of the blood sweat and tears. Congratulations.
Cheers Warren! We’ll try to speed things up with the videos from next month now that we’ve finished the refit, so we can get closer to real time 😊 Spoiler alert: we’re super happy!
The title made sigh with worry, cheap so often means your buying someone elses problem. So I was relieved to hear that your did get a survey and by the pragmatic approach to the issues it raised. Your approach also showed you are not naive although you may be a touch influenced by the heart over the head, but we all have got to reach for our dreams. Encouraged by some of the past maintenance and upgrades, this boat has had some love and its got nice practical kit. Im still on the fence but a lot more optimistic and hoping for a happy ending.
Hydrovanes are one of the best systems and my preference. Auxiliary rudder wind vane steering is the way to go for many good reasons. Servo pendulum is hard on your steering gear and you don't have the peace of mind of the second rudder . The other cool thing is it frees up the primary rudder so you can use it like a trim tab. Lots of solo circumnavigatiors use hydrovanes because the are very robust. Good luck with it all and thanks for the video ❤
@@SailingKittiwake It's a very fine thing indeed. As is the body of work you guys have created, for people looking to live afloat. It's great resource you have created for every one.
If it's the boat of your dreams and you have the time to put into her, then you made a great(!) buy. I love this boat. I'm looking at an Alberg 30 right now that is going to need a lot of work but is so cheap that I don't think I can say no to it either. Remembering that it's the right choice will be the hard part I think. On the plus side. Doing all this work is going to leave you knowing every square inch (mm) of the boat, which is worth its weight in gold. I think you guys scored big with this lovely lady.
Seems like a good buy if you are able to put the work in. I've got a forty year old boat too. It's an ongoing project. But if the design is a good one and the basics are there, then you should be fine. By now you'll have a pretty good idea. I look forward to seeing it take shape. Best of luck!
Cheers Paul! She has lots of good things compared to most Tayanas on the market (no wooden mast, “new” engine,...) and she was a fraction of the price 😊 We’re excited to share the process of it with you 😊
I think of all your videos this is the best. You obviously went through a lot deciding if to buy or not and I think you have made the right choice. Robert Perry boats are bloody good (though not my cup of tea). And by the way the best fibreglasser I knew was female - just had a better touch. Once you have made your decision you will not regret it. Really looking forward to your next videos - and your camera work is much improved.
Ryan's antlers @5:20 are a lovely contrast with his beautiful blond hair. I've been following you guys for some time but somehow missed this one. You're a nice couple, not allergic to hard work. It's interesting to see Ryan's skillset growing with each repair, upgrade, new installation etc. Glad you guys are able to have the boat of your dreams eventually with 'sweat equity' rather than a big loan! I went the loan route with a 39 ft aft cabin yacht powered by a pair of 7.4 liter gasoline engines, but sold it when the stock market started looking sketchy. Glad I did! You guys made the right decision.
Not sure what your deal is but fixing an old boat can be a rewarding experience. The more you fix the more you fall in love with the boat. The bad news is it is very very hard to live onboard while you work on her. Hopefully you factor in living expenses near the boat for about a year to do it right. Good Luck!
Thanks John. We do all our own boat work 😊 We’ve lived aboard our 26ft catamaran while refitting her and while it’s hard indeed, we can’t afford to pay rent as well as the refit+yard costs. We’re easy though 😊
Congratulations on the new-to-you boat! Great find! That's the boat I would pick, I'm jealous. You'll have it up to speed quicker than you think. ....wait, this is an old episode. Now you've got me hooked. I want to see you guys getting this boat up to speed.
Go fo it it will be a labour of love and you can do it all over a period of time you are a lovely couple hope all goes well for you and look forward to following your adventures. Good luck
A nice boat... you did it right. Anything $30,000 or under (Edit:meaning USA, inc - meaning American petro dollars) is a great deal. (After the current owner fixes the major defects)
Rigging should be ok if 10 years old and not much used. UK insurers seem more worried about rigging age than continental insurers. Try a Dutch insurer (docs are in English) if your UK insurer has a problem. Old teak decks are only a problem if you want to replace like-for-like. If you’re happy to slap on synthetic anti-slip it’s usually fine if deck integrity is ok. She looks great and you’ll have fun doing her up and as a sailing experience will be a massive upgrade on Kittiwake. Good luck!
Thanks so much 😊 We found a British insurance who care for the condition of the rigging rather than the age 👍 Yes, she’s a big step-up from Kittiwake for sure!
Just found your site, congrats. The Tayana 37 is a blue water classic, well built, well designed. How do I know ?,,, I have one,, love it simply love it. She sails fantastic in a ocean swell, dry and safe. I subscribed, P.s I have the teak decks, I like them myself, but each to his own. The owners web site is fantastic, Mr Perry is very active on face book, very helpful. Cheers good job , good luck.
Thanks so much! Yep, the teak decks seem to draw a lot of opinions but so far we think they're great too. Is yours a pilothouse? The picture is small so hard to see but looks like it? We've had a bit of chat with Bob - he's a great guy and like you say we're lucky to have a designer who will give advice to owners even though our boat is over 40 years old. Hope you enjoy the videos. Do you know the other Tayana RUclips videos SV Ramble On and Return to Seasons (SV Bear) they're both great
Add up the cost of the repairs to get it back up to scratch - rigging, bulkheads, teak deck. The surveyor can certainly assist with local costs of labor and material. Assume you are going to own a project boat...and see if the effort/ reward equation adds up. An owner can overwhelm themselves with what seem like "minor" issues.....and never get to cruising again. Been there.....recently......
Well done a great capable boat at a super price. Be careful with the standing rigging though, it can become brittle with age but still look fine, a mast coming down in a blow is devastating, that's the first thing I change with an unknown boat. Great Videos, thanks for doing. UK
@@SailingKittiwake Whatever you do, don't use any sealants on the standing rigging terminals or any stainless ever. Sealing in stainless steel would seal it off from the oxygen in the atmosphere which it requires to not corrode in almost an instant! Then again there's no stopping other, slower, forms of corrosion like stress cracking corrosion, crevice corrosion, grain boundary corrosion and what have you so eventually, one day, parts or all of it will need replacing - but determining when that day is exactly for any given rig... that's the sixty four thousand dollar question depending on too many factors to determine!
If you don't fill them then they will sit filled with stagnant water. Not only will that cause the corrosion problems you're talking about but it can freeze in cold weather and crack the fitting causing a dismasting as happened to a couple off Iceland.
@@SailingKittiwake Ah! Good point about the rising salt concentration of stagnant water - it's another factor in accelerating SCC along with elevated temperatures. Not that cold climates do many favors either in the right (wrong) situations... damned if you do, damned if you don't!
I had a 1984 Tayana 37 from the late 1980s thru 2000 and loved it. My ex-wife got it in a divorce settlement and immediately sold it. One of my sailing friends also had a 1984. He called his a sailboat and mine a Yacht, since I maintained everything in pristine condition.
If the bulkheads are rotten and water has come from above then chances are theirs going to be bad core damage in the decks. You may be facing problems like mads from sail life has had on his warrior 38. Very big technical repairs.
I love the look of the boat, if you got the boat for a good price that is great. You must realize the boat is old, some tender loving care would be required. I know all about falling in love with something, it is good you can realize your dreams and get on with the sailing life. Your quality of life will change for the better, the task of learning how to move such a massive boat will be a big learning curve, but in the end it will be worth the effort. Ryan's fibreglass skill will improve quickly especially if there is a lot of that to be done. I wish you well and am have been looking forward to seeing the new videos for some time now. Yes your videos time line is off still there has been a video each week so I do not have problems with your this. Your videos are great and I look forward to seeing all of the new season as quickly as it arrives.
Thanks a lot Paul! Lots of wisdom in your comment 😊 Now that we’ve finished the refit we can start getting closer to real time with the videos. We needed time to sell Kittiwake, move, and sand and scrape for months 😁 thanks so much for your patience 😘
Okay, she's your Dream boat. All the Criticals are Good, or Fair. Hull and engine are Good, Mast is Good, chainplates, windvane, etc. GET HER! Decks are Good, too. If YOU have to Do the bulkheads, No Big Deal, Mads on Sail Life will show you how to Do them Right, and anything ELSE you may need to fix. Kittiwake is a fine little Bahamas/Exumas/ boat, or Coasting, Alphora is an OCEAN-Crosser. Get her, get out of Europe where everything is Expensive, and get to the Carribbean where stuff is cheaper by far. Once you get there you'll want to Stay Awhile anyhow. All the Best...
Well, from what I see on the other Sailing Channels, Boats Parts seem to be much cheaper, and Work also. However, stuff you have to Order and have Sent to you is pretty High due to Shipping Fees and Taxes, and it takes a LONG time for parts to get to you. They all have to go through Customs. Foods seems MUCH cheaper. The larger Islands have well-equipped Chandleries for the most part...But I WOULD get a Spare Starter and Alternator at an Auto Parts store where you are, maybe any electric fuel pumps. And you don't HAVE to buy them from a Marine Dealer, just take the Old One With you, or the Numbers off it, and get a corresponding one at an Auto Parts Store, MUCH Cheaper than a Boat Dealer. @@SailingKittiwake
@@SailingKittiwake Rigging Doctor did their Refit in the Azores, apparently sapele mahogany is Dirt Cheap there, yard and haulout fees are too. Stainless and fiberglass work is much less expensive, as well. However, nobody who does the work gets in any Hurry to get it Done. They apparently do Good Work, but they live on Island Time, lol...
Ok, how are sails, what make is the engine? Does it have solar or wind gen? Electronics looks ok? How about running rigging and windlass, chain and anchor? U didn't say much about the boat that u hold backnsuch a long time ☺️
Every shiny boat has a suffering sailor that takes care of it.... ;) But she is a beauty! Really great upgrade. It´s a great boat and it is worth spending some money and time bringing her to all of her glory. They don´t build boats like that anymore, now everything is plastic and engineered to last only 5 years. But you already know the definition of cruising life: "Cruising is: Fixing boats in exotic locations..." :) Be happy and positive! If you vibe positive, good things will happen! Fair Winds!
Hmmm we’ve seen some project ones for sale and those truly were like building a new boat. Apart from the bulkheads, there’s nothing to build on this one 😊
Doing fiberglass is easy as hell, especially just doing tabbing. Lay down a plastic bag on flat spot, lay down one strip, wet it out and repeat 2 more times. Pick up multi layers and wet out contact point. Then simply place by hand into position, use a small roller to squeeze out air bubbles. Last step, cover with peel ply. Too easy! For structure use epoxy but remember you can use poly over epoxy but not the other way around.
It'll be a joy to work on, bit by bit, over the next few years. And if this deal falls through, you've learned a lot that you can apply to the next prospect. The beam is huge where you show recent new stain & varnish. It must be 40'?
Theses make of boats of this age and condition maybe worth around 20k but could be worth double that when restored to its former glory. so a good investment.
OoOh I've been waiting for this episode for months! WoW She's beautiful! Admittedly, wood isn't for me but beautiful all the same. As someone else mentioned if you need an education on fiberglassing you should look at Sail Life's Refitting Athena series as his skills have come on quite a bit and the guys an absolute perfectionist.
Cheers Michael! Sorry for the wait. We’ve been busy doing boat work and real life work for 6 months, so we needed the time to string together weeks of sanding, painting, etc into actual episodes. We hope to bring the videos closer to real time in the next couple of months 🤞 Yes, we have watched Sail Life - lots of great info on that series!
Bulkheads two options replace them completely or cut away the rotten sections on the bottom and replace only the rotten sections .Polyester resin is more easy to learn than epoxy but needs higher temperatures and more materials to work at 100% . Personally get a expert to look and estimate the cost for the repairs . That way you know what the best way to fix stuff. Athena is example of ways to fix things but a bit over kill for most boaters. Again get expert rigger to very costs to replace or repair . The attachments at bottom of stays can be cut off and remade losing a few inches on the length of the stays which can be made up with shackles or bottle screws. Wire off shackles the stainless steel types unwind themselves. Replacement Diesel heaters the van and truck types can be got online from China for €200 and they are virtually the same as marine types costing often € 2000. surveys often use small ball pin hammer on decks and tapping sounds tells them where hollow parts are but is a art form to learn I recall seeing on a RUclips on survey boat but for now i forgot the link . Also coastal Spain often isn't the cheapest for dry land work best to do minim work get going to cheaper places . You can look spain inland river regions but there are very few of those . France south isn't too cheap on coast but some inland regions might be cheaper. Lots of boats seem to collect on french spain border on french side so that might be cheaper region .Ask around where is cheapest place to lift boat and work on it . Greece is problematic nice but like turkey problematic . Turkey has cheaper good boat builders but sourcing complex sailing parts due to import tax can be a issue. Portugal up the rivers might be cheaper . A lot of the work like bulkheads fiber glass and furniture and even engine and rigging work can be done on the water but it tends to slow the work a lot especially if you're on the anchor . The most sheltered big bay in spain suitable for all year anchoring I know of from other sailors with smaller boats is direct south from Barcelona to the corner of spain but not sure the depth in the bay for lager boats. There exists some bays in atlantic spain for smaller boats and some I saw while driving through the region looked good for larger depth boats. However The marinas seemed to be also stupid money in Atlantic spain region. There seemed to be mooring available maybe even anchoring in Cadiz region it has huge sheltered bay . However Cadiz bay is commercial region so maybe they charge a lot for mooring . I too based in expensive Ireland am forced to revamp my 1976 ~3/4 length deep keel ~27 foot boat on the water in a inland marina costing 1000 euros a year as the cheapest solution versus lifting out . next year it a free mooring in a sheltered bay before sailing off once again to warmer climes . If you do find a suitable cheap dry land spot in Spain Portugal or France consider to truck the boat there . Boat trucking prices sometimes can be cheaper solutions than staying in expensive regions fixing craft up and then getting unplanned delaysand extra unplanned costs .Trucking solutions tends to ben best solution for boats sub 30 feet but sometimes 34 to 36 feet older more narrow hull boats can squeak in at the lower costs for trucking. Height width and weight and distance and time of year are the factor that impact trucking boat costs. Too wide the lads need extra expensive escorts on the roads . A lot of the western side Mediterranean ports charge lower prices on the hard for the first 6 weeks and then ratchet up the costs exponentially after that. Good luck keep us all posted
Check the going price for this same boat that is in excellent condition ready to go. If this boat plus the ball park cost of renovation ( excluding labor ) is a better number Go for it. My thoughts are that you should walk ( run ) away from this boat unless it is free.
I thought for sure that I would be the only one who noticed the "antlers". But seriously my boyfriend and I love y'all. We're a bit older, (40's) but we're thinking hitting the seas too. We need a break from the chaos that is our current reality! Your videos are very helpful. Take care, have fun, and keep posting videos!! ❤️
She’s got great top-sides, her bottom is excellent as well, has an lovely shape, I like her curves and lines, overall an absolutely beautiful thing to perceive. The boat’s nice too.
I was looking at a boat similar to the one you’ve chosen but 35’. A Baba Flying Dutchman to be exact. Asking price was $44,000 U.S. She was a gorgeous boat, but I would have to spend close to $75,000 to get her were I would want her to be. So I walked away...
An excellent presentation. Thanks for sharing. Nice web site. Love your style. What to do? Hard to say since we bought and fixed our boat. I guess if you love the design, buy it and fix it. All older boats come with something. The question is can you personally deal with it? My wife and I are looking for a bigger boat, too. We have a 9.95 meter Aphrodite 101 which is probably smaller than your Kittiwake. You are right on about size. Much bigger and the costs begin to shoot up. Our attention has been grabbed by Tartan 37s which are also good seagoing yachts. We have seen both the Hood design and S & S design and like them both. I'm for the Hood and she's for the S &S. (So?? What should we do?) As a professional yacht captain, I have sailed the Tayana 37 as well as having spoken with the designer by phone about the model. Good boats and I doubt it will let you down. One couple I know did two years in the Caribbean and USA East Coast. They were very satisfied with the yacht. We have also rebuilt a couple of yachts. I don't want to do it again but I must say it was not nearly as much trouble as we first envisioned. Now, we are ready to retire and sail for pleasure. Look forward to viewing more. Thanks and keep well! Norman of Averisera
Hey Norman, I thought I replied 🧐 maybe it didn’t publish (we had some connectivity issues yesterday). Thanks a lot for the lovely comment 😊 All older boats have problems to fix and we’re not shy to learn new skills, so we should be OK 😊👍
@@SailingKittiwake Yeah, learning the skills is a fun part of cruising. When Elizabeth and I look at a boat the question is always, "can we fix it?" We know we will have to just don't know when. We also find that the easier the boat is to repair, the less that goes wrong. Anyway... back to work. Thanks for the comms.
Were the deck core support invaded by water also, or did it have soft decks? I think it would be very expensive to replace bulkheads, damaged decks standing rigging, running rigging and set up a new solar system, water maker and new electronics for this boat to make it a safe boat to sail.
If your worried about the standing then consider changing the primary forestay and the two outers as a minimum. That will help you sleep at night knowing the mast won’t come down. The wire at the top of the mast can be the most unknown, I’ve not seen anyone pointing out the three wire change solution. Don’t do anything with the teak. Be practical in fixing the bulkhead.
Thanks for the advice Nigel, always appreciated. We've changed the backstay and will probably change the other top of the mast wires before any big passages. We'll see how we like the teak, so far we love it - especially that you don't leave footprints all over it when your feet are wet. Thankfully the previous owner agreed to sort the bulkheads along with quite a few other bits.
@@SailingKittiwake She is currently just south of Annapolis MD. Once some minor repairs and bottom painting is finished, I'll move her to around Wilmington North Carolina. From there we can sail anywhere. The Tayana is a blue water boat, and can handle most weather shy of a full blown hurricane. Even the main sail on my boat is roller furling so everything can be handled in the cockpit. Only the mizzen still uses a winch but that is in the cockpit as well.
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What would YOU have done? Would you have bought the boat? Tell us in the comments below :)
Bought
Are they giving the boat away ?...If not, run....
Sounds like a long time on the hard.......
So....getting a really good price eh ?...Cool....
She is a beautiful boat.....the best to you....
Hi guys ... huge congratulations on a tough decision taken thoughtfully. You’ve shown your mettle on this channel over the past couple of years and I’m one of those backing you to continue to overcome the challenges that everyone who owns a boat knows about! No one has a right to hassle you while you work through the issues. I reported one of those who made a bullying, personal comment a couple of days ago and it seems he’s been taken down. We all need to take a stand against people who post aggressively on social media. Meanwhile, go you guys ... good luck with the battles!! 🤙🎉⛵️🍻
Aw thanks Roy! ❤️ You’ve been so amazingly supportive all this time. We really appreciate it 😊
Congrats, guys! She is georgeous!!! You'r e probably ready with most of the work by now, but anyway, all the blood, sweat and tears you put into her, make that you enjoy her way more than if you would have bought a new boat. :-)
Greetingz, Wim
Sailing Exodos congratulations 🎊🍾🎈
All that matters is that you both love the boat.Enjoy it.All the work is probably done by now so looking forward to the sailing videos closer to real time..Congragulations on your great attitude and videos,keep up the great work .
Thanks Bevan! 😊 The boat work is finally over, yes. That’s the only reason we can start releasing these episodes 😂 Man, it was a looong winter 😉
Fascinating video. All those aspiring to buy a used sailboat really wonder what a boat survey consists of, how it should be analyzed, etc is helpful, informative, so the survey section of this is excellent. I'll get back to watching the rest of this!
You have been sensible, thorough and realistic; I think you’ll be fine. All boats need maintenance; this one is a beautiful boat with plenty of room. You seem to like it so that is the important thing, if you can afford it great. People have been crossing the oceans for hundreds of years in similar boats. Good luck and enjoy it you deserve it.
Cheers Os! Some interesting remarks 😊
You got a great deal. It's a huge step up in comfort and a world cruiser at half the cost. I don't think you will ever regret buying that boat. I'd also put money on the fact that when you go to sell her you won't loose a penny. You bought her right and by the sound of it, no major repairs needed. When you need to replace the standing rigging check out synthetic rigging. It's much lighter, a littler cheaper, and last a long time...also easy to change out if necessary. You guys know what you're doing. Great job!!! 👍👍✌️✌️
Cheers Clay! So nice of you 😊 We do think we made the right choice 😊🤞
She's a beautiful boat and now in really good hands. You are a level headed couple that makes good decisions, I'm sure it will work out.
Thanks so much Roy 😊🤞
I really like your reindeer horns while you two are sitting on couches discussing the pros and cons of the new boat!
It took months to grow them so long!
The 2 happiest days in boat ownership - the day you buy it and the day you sell it! Kittiwake was simple to maintain and fix. Look forward to seeing how you guys get on.
That's only true if you're doing it wrong :) We had some absolutely wonderful days on Kittiwake, some of the best of our lives, the buying and selling wouldn't even be in the top 20. Hopefully the new boat will be the same :)
She’s a fabulous boat!! And will give you many years of happiness 😊
And it’s too late to walk away...you are already in love with her ☺️
Haha so true! A little too late 😊
You brought a hole in the water now pore in the money, the good news is freedom to move as long as you are willing to put in the work. I'm an old boatbuilder from NZ
I think you have clearly done your research in the make and model boat you want, and found one that seems to be in your price range. I think you have done your due diligence in researching the health and condition of this particular boat, and are well informed of it's condition and what it is going to take to get it where you want it to be. You have lessened the number of "surprises" you will encounter to the minimum you could.
Once you put all that information into the pot and let it simmer awhile, you made a decision based on the best info you have, and your gut feelings...and that is about all anyone can do. I look forward to seeing you bring her back to life.
Arch, thanks for a great comment 😊 We did think it through quite a lot, so we hope we made the right decision.
I have at times admired the Yayana 37. The spoon bow, the Collin Archer stern❤ Now you own one! I like the way you redid your teak decks. I built my 36 by screwing my teak down and pegs. Others now are complaining that they wished they had pulled the deck up and either used 'all grip' or clued the teak down with new and improved glues. With some much work done please continue as ya go. May your seas be kindly, and the wind to your back.
Cheers Michael, yes we heard so many people saying that teak decks were the devil, and to never buy a boat with a teak deck etc... but we love them so far! Great grip and don't show dirty footprints like painted decks do.
I prefer the videos where people have these kinds of challenges. Versus the what vintage champagne shall we have tonight Muffy ones.
Hey Jay, then our channel should be right up your street :) For us, living on a sailboat means a lot of hard work, which in turn means that swimming in a stunning anchorage or exploring a new town feels even more special. We try to keep things real, rather then trying to sell a luxury lifestyle.
Do let's have the Cabernet 98.
Good luck guys. Everything can.be fixed if you have enough time and money.The best part is that when you are finished you will know exactly what you have.
Thats a great blue water boat! At 40 years old but about the same price as your 26' catamaran, you guys will be very happy. Tayanas are fabulous boats.... Fiberglassing is like cooking, get a good recipe book, you'll do fine! There's alot of DIY RUclips videos out there: Boatworks Today, Sail life, Onboard Lifestyle, etc. I'm looking forward to you sailing her to the Caribbean in the future, cheers you two!
True 😊 And Kittiwake is 39 years old 😁 so we’re not going for a much older boat 😊 We’re keen to learn new things 😊
Tayana’s are great boats, found all over the world. I hope she lives up to your expectations and carries you both safely, far and wide. The works you need to carry out, will teach you both a great deal about her and prepare you for any future emergencies. Fair winds 😎
What a wonderful comment, thanks Chris! 😊
Love joy peace wealth & abundance for all from Thailand . Older boats need close scrutiny .
Thanks so much Phillip 😊best wishes to you!
Just came here from ep1. WOW! Rock on guys!
Thank you! ❤️
We have a Hans Christian 38 1984, so a similar boat to this one. We owned it a year then hauled out for what we thought was going to be a month ended up 7 months in the boat yard. We are pleased we did, we learnt so much about our old girl and now we can rest easy that we know what she is made of. All the stainless steel needed replacing 32 years is about the life of SS. The rudder post, all bolts, the drive shaft, the water and black water tanks, the staunchness. We replaced the original engine, all electrical wiring, gas lines and plumbing. The hull is good, the teak decks had been taken off and fibreglassed previously we do need to repaired the deck small cracks and paint them. There is a bit of rain water getting in somewhere? Now the rigging is over 10 years old the insurer will not insure it, the hull is insured just not the rigging, it is in good condition but we will get it done this year. Hopefully not another 7 months in the yard! The surveyor said it was ready for blue water cruising when we brought her 2015! Oh yer he didn't look to closely. Do you follow SV Prism, they refitted a HC same issues as we all face with old Taiwan made boats. But they are beautiful, all the best.
Wow that’s a lot of work! Hopefully our surveyor was a bit more thorough.
SV Prism was the first channel we ever watched and we love it 😊
Good luck with boat and rejuvenation process. It will be exciting to see how she sails. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers! We hope you’ll enjoy watching the process 😊
Thank you sweet sailing folks. I hope you have fun living the process. It seems we all could use that way of living, enjoying the process that is. What a fantastic possibility for a home you can move with wind across oceans to the most beautiful places in the world. It's sweet to get to have a window on the adventure. Good luck with all.
Aw thank you! ❤️
Bob Perry design , defiantly a good decision , whatever it takes this will be a great boat worth the work. This can defiantly be a forever boat.
Congratulations!
Check. Out bob Perrys interview on the podcast on 'On the wind' by Andy Schell.
Lots of positives , newer rig , engine , equipment defiantly a great choice .
Cheers Warren
Hey Warren, thanks a lot for the feedback 😊 We’ve listened to it last year, it’s a good one 👍
Sailing Kittiwake I'm so glad, the bulkhead are a common problem in Asian boats the ply is bad, a friend has a 45 something and he replaced the bulkheads yet somehow saved the teak veneer ....he is an ex-pro aircraft builder so finicky! Cheers Warren
Great to see your process of getting the Tayana. You are right to be cautious and you were both obviously pensive in the survey de brief but considered everything carefully, pros and cons. I felt very much the same when I bought my Rival as it had lots going for it and some negatives. Surveys are never a good read but once you pin down the essential jobs, those you can do yourself and those that might need professional help then it becomes clear. I must admit I fell in love with my Rival when I stepped aboard and the negatives that I found afterwards were a downer on me possibly buying it. Sounds like you built up in your mind what the boat may be like based on owner description but found things slightly different in the light of day. I don’t think you will regret this at all as it gives you access to the world for cruising and space to grow onboard in comfort. Fair winds and can’t wait to hear how she performs at sea. Andy UK
Hi guys, I loved this video, you really showed the dilemnas you were having, I have no idea if I would have bought this boat or not as I don't know enough about boats to decide, I did like the way you looked at it though and if there was a solution to a problem then really its ok, you have a fix in place( I guess then time and money come into play). You said it was your dreamboat so i'm glad you decided to go ahead, it will be interesting to see the repairs and journey to completion. it looks to me like a definite step up in terms of space and sailing skills so massive best wishes. your a great pair, so likeable and I send good vibes and sailing love your way. PS I notice a few snide comments below and guess that comes with the territory but I find it so disappointing, obviously not all comments can be favourable but if your being negative I think you should at least be constructive with it. Good on you Ryan and Elena. safe journeys.
Exciting dilema.
I have recently moved up from 27f foot to 35 and she is huge.
But the bills are bigger too.
Would not go back though 😂
You have bought her so best of luck. Nothing wrong with dirt. Keeps the price down and easily solved. But you are rightly cautious about potential issues under the dirt.
I bet the sails are tired.
Hull engine and mast OK.
Ais and Taylor heater is nice.
You are going in eyes open (or trying to - weve all been there).
As you say, definitely drill to check for deck rot. Definitely do this. Even now you've bought her. It is always better to know.
15 year old rigging is a concern if you are going anywhere.
Possibly replace with galvanised?
Rotting bulkheads a concern.
How did the water get in.
What else is rotten?
Anything can be fixed but the volume of work is the issue.
You don't give financial numbers so hard to guage the balance point of cost vs benefit.
She is beautiful though.
I look forward to the refit story
All the best
S
To your question, I would have purchased the boat and focused my efforts on the rudder and the standing rigging. Any wood replaced for the bulkheads I would paint white to brighten up the interior.
This video really got me excited to see what is coming up.
Thanks a lot Mr Perry 😁 We can’t wait to show you how it all went 😊
Go for it! its a beautiful boat. That and the Hans Christian are boats that where so well made and like Tanks out in the ocean and I don't mean slow just could go through anything. Good luck and look forward to seeing your progress. cheers all the best to you. Andy
Couldn’t agree more 😊 Thanks a lot. We hope you’ll enjoy the upcoming videos 😊
This was like me having meeting over zoom with clients. :) was informative
She is beautiful and will be marvelous when she has experienced your love and care, yes I would have bought her because she will be a dream come true, Congratulations!!! Enjoy! I look forward to seeing her back on form, I don't think that you will ever regret the decision, fair winds
(sv esfani)
Thank you Andy! 😊😘
Alot of great information, thanks Sid
I had one of the T 37, I got her new back in 1984, I ended up with her because of some mix up with the order for a T 42 I had in, so they gave me this T 37 that they had in stock, well you know he old saying that every cloud has a silver lining, well this mix up was one of the best things that ever happened to me, I loved that little boat, and I sailed all over the place in her, including both what's across the Atlantic, most of the time single handed. In all the good and bad weather I was in on her I never felt at any time threatened, she will look after you even in the worst conditions, you will give up before she gives up and when you do she is very easy to hove too, and she will lay there and wait for you, they like to be reefed sooner rather than later, but out in the ocean you could not ask for better. Of course mine was new so I never had any of the problems you are faced with, but if you give her all the TLC she needs you will be rewarded 10 fold, mine had the pull berth, instead of a V berth, and that was the most comfortable bunk I have ever had. There are two places where your water damage may be from, normally on the T37 it is from the chain plates, but if she is an early one it may be under the cap rail, there may be a join under there, right in the middle, and on some of the older ones it was over lapped in the wrong direction and water would seep in. With modern opoxy it is easy to fix if you take the cap rail off, repair it and then sekaflex the cap rail back on. But double check that the chain plates have been done correctly. You guys should join the Robert Perry fan club, on FB, Bob will answer any questions on construction or repairs you have, he is a great guy. Good luck, you have bought a great boat.
What a great story, Barry! Lovely to read. Yes, we think she’s a great boat. We’re members of the Bob Perry fanclub on FB 👍😊
Nice boat 👍 looking forward to see you bring her back to life
Thanks Al! We can’t wait to share the process with you 😊
I had a Valiant 40 which was also designed by Bob Perry and was a heavy blue water boat. It was a great liveaboard boat with both a forward and aft cabin..
The Valiant is amazing! Great choice. Definitely not in our budget, so we went for a Tayana :)
Good on ya for restoring this classic. I personally would not have teak decks but at least if the core is ok that can be dealt with later. I've always liked the Tayana 37. Living wise I think she will be perfect for you. Will be interesting to hear your impressions sailing a full keel boat like this.
Yes, ideally we wanted one with fiberglass decks, but at least we can do it ourselves when we’re ready, and be sure it’s done well 😊
Great boat w some issues that can be addressed. It has everything you wanted and much more additional expensive add-ons. Congrats...
Thank you Sam! 😊
If you got boat for a dirt cheap price you have a winner. The hull,engine,deck,spars,sails are good,you have an expensive all weather quality yacht for very little,you both are young and fit have jobs,you both have the world before you.If i were you i would get on my knees and thank God for his goodness.
great video, good luck with your (hopefully) new boat.
Thank you! 😊
Keep your dream alive, I'm proud of you both.
Aw thanks Michael! 😊
Really interesting to watch this episode & to hear your thought processes which show how much you've learned. For what you want to do she's a great choice. There is and always will be work to do but for us normal working folk who live on & own older boats because it's what we can afford it's just part of the whole thing. Some of it is a pain, some more enjoyable and new skills to be learned on the way. That boat in the right hands can be beautifil, characterful and very capable of going wherever you want so good luck and I look forward very much to seeing how it all goes...
Thanks so much David! Boat work never ends 😊😁 We hope we can make her shine 🤞
Now you have a proper blue water live aboard boat. Rough around the edges as all 40 yr old boats tend to be but solid hull, decks, diesel, and rig to take you wherever you want to go. You will love the gentle roll motion and sea keeping on this I expect. Lots of projects so give her your labor of love!
I am still a catamaran guy and would probably have chosen a 10 yr old Seawind 1160 but that is in a different world in terms of cost.
Cheers from SoCal!
Well done! All defects can be rectified and she will be beautiful again! Quite a step up in size and capability from Kittiwake. Will you keep the name? Great video!
Thank you! Yes, we agree 😊 We’ll change the name of the boat but not the name of the channel 😊
If you got the Tayana for same amount you sold Kittiwake for you did well. It’s been months since you bought her so by now you can answer the question of whether it was the right thing to do. I hope you’ll not keep us waiting long to see how happy you are with your decision in spite of the blood sweat and tears. Congratulations.
Cheers Warren! We’ll try to speed things up with the videos from next month now that we’ve finished the refit, so we can get closer to real time 😊
Spoiler alert: we’re super happy!
The title made sigh with worry, cheap so often means your buying someone elses problem. So I was relieved to hear that your did get a survey and by the pragmatic approach to the issues it raised. Your approach also showed you are not naive although you may be a touch influenced by the heart over the head, but we all have got to reach for our dreams. Encouraged by some of the past maintenance and upgrades, this boat has had some love and its got nice practical kit. Im still on the fence but a lot more optimistic and hoping for a happy ending.
Good to see the cats out the bag! We think you made a great choice. Yes its a bit of work but all boats are. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid XX (SV Impavidus)
Yes, no boat in our price range comes problem-free 😁
Hydrovanes are one of the best systems and my preference. Auxiliary rudder wind vane steering is the way to go for many good reasons. Servo pendulum is hard on your steering gear and you don't have the peace of mind of the second rudder . The other cool thing is it frees up the primary rudder so you can use it like a trim tab. Lots of solo circumnavigatiors use hydrovanes because the are very robust. Good luck with it all and thanks for the video
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Thanks so much, Buccaneer 😁 The Hydrovane is a nice perk, isn’t it?
@@SailingKittiwake It's a very fine thing indeed. As is the body of work you guys have created, for people looking to live afloat. It's great resource you have created for every one.
Thanks so much 😊 We enjoy doing it 😊
If it's the boat of your dreams and you have the time to put into her, then you made a great(!) buy. I love this boat. I'm looking at an Alberg 30 right now that is going to need a lot of work but is so cheap that I don't think I can say no to it either. Remembering that it's the right choice will be the hard part I think. On the plus side. Doing all this work is going to leave you knowing every square inch (mm) of the boat, which is worth its weight in gold. I think you guys scored big with this lovely lady.
Yes, we think we got an amazing deal! 🎉 Best of luck with your Alberg. It’ll be totally worth it 😊
Seems like a good buy if you are able to put the work in. I've got a forty year old boat too. It's an ongoing project. But if the design is a good one and the basics are there, then you should be fine. By now you'll have a pretty good idea. I look forward to seeing it take shape. Best of luck!
Cheers Paul! She has lots of good things compared to most Tayanas on the market (no wooden mast, “new” engine,...) and she was a fraction of the price 😊 We’re excited to share the process of it with you 😊
I think of all your videos this is the best. You obviously went through a lot deciding if to buy or not and I think you have made the right choice. Robert Perry boats are bloody good (though not my cup of tea). And by the way the best fibreglasser I knew was female - just had a better touch. Once you have made your decision you will not regret it. Really looking forward to your next videos - and your camera work is much improved.
Cheers Nick. We do love her. We hope you enjoy the new episode too 😊
Ryan's antlers @5:20 are a lovely contrast with his beautiful blond hair. I've been following you guys for some time but somehow missed this one. You're a nice couple, not allergic to hard work. It's interesting to see Ryan's skillset growing with each repair, upgrade, new installation etc. Glad you guys are able to have the boat of your dreams eventually with 'sweat equity' rather than a big loan! I went the loan route with a 39 ft aft cabin yacht powered by a pair of 7.4 liter gasoline engines, but sold it when the stock market started looking sketchy. Glad I did! You guys made the right decision.
Not sure what your deal is but fixing an old boat can be a rewarding experience. The more you fix the more you fall in love with the boat. The bad news is it is very very hard to live onboard while you work on her. Hopefully you factor in living expenses near the boat for about a year to do it right. Good Luck!
Thanks John. We do all our own boat work 😊
We’ve lived aboard our 26ft catamaran while refitting her and while it’s hard indeed, we can’t afford to pay rent as well as the refit+yard costs. We’re easy though 😊
@@SailingKittiwake Nice to be young. Once a boat becomes a workshop -bulkheads out my Wife stays home. Good luck with the new boat.
Congratulations on the new-to-you boat! Great find! That's the boat I would pick, I'm jealous. You'll have it up to speed quicker than you think.
....wait, this is an old episode. Now you've got me hooked. I want to see you guys getting this boat up to speed.
Go fo it it will be a labour of love and you can do it all over a period of time you are a lovely couple hope all goes well for you and look forward to following your adventures. Good luck
Aw thanks so much Gary 😊 We can’t wait to share the next episodes with you 😊
A nice boat... you did it right. Anything $30,000 or under (Edit:meaning USA, inc - meaning American petro dollars) is a great deal. (After the current owner fixes the major defects)
Always a good omen. My first real cruiser I bought during rain
Wishing you both the best of luck with the new boat.
Thanks a lot Brian, much appreciated!
Rigging should be ok if 10 years old and not much used. UK insurers seem more worried about rigging age than continental insurers. Try a Dutch insurer (docs are in English) if your UK insurer has a problem.
Old teak decks are only a problem if you want to replace like-for-like. If you’re happy to slap on synthetic anti-slip it’s usually fine if deck integrity is ok.
She looks great and you’ll have fun doing her up and as a sailing experience will be a massive upgrade on Kittiwake. Good luck!
Thanks so much 😊 We found a British insurance who care for the condition of the rigging rather than the age 👍
Yes, she’s a big step-up from Kittiwake for sure!
Just found your site, congrats. The Tayana 37 is a blue water classic, well built, well designed. How do I know ?,,, I have one,, love it simply love it. She sails fantastic in a ocean swell, dry and safe. I subscribed, P.s I have the teak decks, I like them myself, but each to his own. The owners web site is fantastic, Mr Perry is very active on face book, very helpful. Cheers good job , good luck.
Thanks so much! Yep, the teak decks seem to draw a lot of opinions but so far we think they're great too. Is yours a pilothouse? The picture is small so hard to see but looks like it? We've had a bit of chat with Bob - he's a great guy and like you say we're lucky to have a designer who will give advice to owners even though our boat is over 40 years old. Hope you enjoy the videos. Do you know the other Tayana RUclips videos SV Ramble On and Return to Seasons (SV Bear) they're both great
@@SailingKittiwake Yes I have the pilot house, have scene the others site, enjoy them very much. Cheers and keep smiling
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I can fully understand your trepidation, but as many have said, I think in the long term, this is & will be a fantastic choice for you both :)
Thanks Paul. Always lovely to read your comments 😊
well, for me it's a win! I love boat project videos! :)
Yaaay! There’s a few of those coming up, Chase 😊👍
Add up the cost of the repairs to get it back up to scratch - rigging, bulkheads, teak deck. The surveyor can certainly assist with local costs of labor and material. Assume you are going to own a project boat...and see if the effort/ reward equation adds up. An owner can overwhelm themselves with what seem like "minor" issues.....and never get to cruising again. Been there.....recently......
Putting the match in the hole was funny man you moved backwards fast👍
Never seen him move so fast!
Well done a great capable boat at a super price. Be careful with the standing rigging though, it can become brittle with age but still look fine, a mast coming down in a blow is devastating, that's the first thing I change with an unknown boat. Great Videos, thanks for doing. UK
Thanks a lot Oceanmutt! Love your name. We hear you on the standing rigging but we just don’t have the funds at the moment so have to prioritise.
@@SailingKittiwake Whatever you do, don't use any sealants on the standing rigging terminals or any stainless ever. Sealing in stainless steel would seal it off from the oxygen in the atmosphere which it requires to not corrode in almost an instant! Then again there's no stopping other, slower, forms of corrosion like stress cracking corrosion, crevice corrosion, grain boundary corrosion and what have you so eventually, one day, parts or all of it will need replacing - but determining when that day is exactly for any given rig... that's the sixty four thousand dollar question depending on too many factors to determine!
If you don't fill them then they will sit filled with stagnant water. Not only will that cause the corrosion problems you're talking about but it can freeze in cold weather and crack the fitting causing a dismasting as happened to a couple off Iceland.
@@SailingKittiwake Ah! Good point about the rising salt concentration of stagnant water - it's another factor in accelerating SCC along with elevated temperatures. Not that cold climates do many favors either in the right (wrong) situations... damned if you do, damned if you don't!
I had a 1984 Tayana 37 from the late 1980s thru 2000 and loved it. My ex-wife got it in a divorce settlement and immediately sold it. One of my sailing friends also had a 1984. He called his a sailboat and mine a Yacht, since I maintained everything in pristine condition.
Oh what a shame! We hope you have lots of good memories about the Tayana 😊
YES, congratulations .. it's your dream .. do it... there are lots of video's on youtube to help you out fixing stuff.
Thanks a lot Stephen! We do like learning new skills :)
If the bulkheads are rotten and water has come from above then chances are theirs going to be bad core damage in the decks. You may be facing problems like mads from sail life has had on his warrior 38. Very big technical repairs.
Did you notice in the video that we took samples and the decks are dry? 😊😇
I love the look of the boat, if you got the boat for a good price that is great. You must realize the boat is old, some tender loving care would be required. I know all about falling in love with something, it is good you can realize your dreams and get on with the sailing life. Your quality of life will change for the better, the task of learning how to move such a massive boat will be a big learning curve, but in the end it will be worth the effort. Ryan's fibreglass skill will improve quickly especially if there is a lot of that to be done. I wish you well and am have been looking forward to seeing the new videos for some time now. Yes your videos time line is off still there has been a video each week so I do not have problems with your this. Your videos are great and I look forward to seeing all of the new season as quickly as it arrives.
Thanks a lot Paul! Lots of wisdom in your comment 😊 Now that we’ve finished the refit we can start getting closer to real time with the videos. We needed time to sell Kittiwake, move, and sand and scrape for months 😁 thanks so much for your patience 😘
Okay, she's your Dream boat. All the Criticals are Good, or Fair. Hull and engine are Good, Mast is Good, chainplates, windvane, etc. GET HER! Decks are Good, too. If YOU have to Do the bulkheads, No Big Deal, Mads on Sail Life will show you how to Do them Right, and anything ELSE you may need to fix. Kittiwake is a fine little Bahamas/Exumas/ boat, or Coasting, Alphora is an OCEAN-Crosser. Get her, get out of Europe where everything is Expensive, and get to the Carribbean where stuff is cheaper by far. Once you get there you'll want to Stay Awhile anyhow. All the Best...
Hey Jim, is life cheap in the Caribbean? We thought food and internet were expensive. We hope to be able to make it across at some point 🤞
Well, from what I see on the other Sailing Channels, Boats Parts seem to be much cheaper, and Work also. However, stuff you have to Order and have Sent to you is pretty High due to Shipping Fees and Taxes, and it takes a LONG time for parts to get to you. They all have to go through Customs. Foods seems MUCH cheaper. The larger Islands have well-equipped Chandleries for the most part...But I WOULD get a Spare Starter and Alternator at an Auto Parts store where you are, maybe any electric fuel pumps. And you don't HAVE to buy them from a Marine Dealer, just take the Old One With you, or the Numbers off it, and get a corresponding one at an Auto Parts Store, MUCH Cheaper than a Boat Dealer. @@SailingKittiwake
Thanks a lot Jim, great info 😊
@@SailingKittiwake Rigging Doctor did their Refit in the Azores, apparently sapele mahogany is Dirt Cheap there, yard and haulout fees are too. Stainless and fiberglass work is much less expensive, as well. However, nobody who does the work gets in any Hurry to get it Done. They apparently do Good Work, but they live on Island Time, lol...
We looked at the Azores and thought it’d take a lot of luck to get any boat work done - it rains a lot 🧐
This is the point at which a sailing channel can turn into a DIY one. Good luck with your decision
We bought her and we’re out sailing, Gus 😊
Good for you
Well, finaly! My good, where's some energy?? Buying a dream boat, should be exciting!
Yay 😊
Ok, how are sails, what make is the engine? Does it have solar or wind gen? Electronics looks ok? How about running rigging and windlass, chain and anchor? U didn't say much about the boat that u hold backnsuch a long time ☺️
Congrats guys. a bit of hard work , some spit and shine and you'll enjoy the comfort!
Cheers Terry! 😊
Every shiny boat has a suffering sailor that takes care of it.... ;)
But she is a beauty! Really great upgrade. It´s a great boat and it is worth spending some money and time bringing her to all of her glory. They don´t build boats like that anymore, now everything is plastic and engineered to last only 5 years. But you already know the definition of cruising life: "Cruising is: Fixing boats in exotic locations..." :) Be happy and positive! If you vibe positive, good things will happen! Fair Winds!
Very true 😊
Bob designed a nice boat. You already know it's going to be a lot of work and sweat.
True 😊
True 😊
looks like building a new boat! Sounds like a lot! Each to their own!
Hmmm we’ve seen some project ones for sale and those truly were like building a new boat. Apart from the bulkheads, there’s nothing to build on this one 😊
Doing fiberglass is easy as hell, especially just doing tabbing. Lay down a plastic bag on flat spot, lay down one strip, wet it out and repeat 2 more times. Pick up multi layers and wet out contact point. Then simply place by hand into position, use a small roller to squeeze out air bubbles. Last step, cover with peel ply. Too easy! For structure use epoxy but remember you can use poly over epoxy but not the other way around.
According to Industrial Plastics here in Canada epoxy over poly but for structure not poly over epoxy. ???
It'll be a joy to work on, bit by bit, over the next few years. And if this deal falls through, you've learned a lot that you can apply to the next prospect. The beam is huge where you show recent new stain & varnish. It must be 40'?
Theses make of boats of this age and condition maybe worth around 20k but could be worth double that when restored to its former glory. so a good investment.
Totally! That's why we went for it. Thank you.
The German product "Coelan" is good for sealing decks. I have used it on my own ship, a Union Polaris 36. It worked well. They don't leak now.
OoOh I've been waiting for this episode for months! WoW She's beautiful! Admittedly, wood isn't for me but beautiful all the same. As someone else mentioned if you need an education on fiberglassing you should look at Sail Life's Refitting Athena series as his skills have come on quite a bit and the guys an absolute perfectionist.
Cheers Michael! Sorry for the wait. We’ve been busy doing boat work and real life work for 6 months, so we needed the time to string together weeks of sanding, painting, etc into actual episodes. We hope to bring the videos closer to real time in the next couple of months 🤞
Yes, we have watched Sail Life - lots of great info on that series!
@@SailingKittiwake Maybe Boatworks Today as well for fibreglassing techniques.
I have been waiting too! Love double enders.
@@kimrevell9419 me too, the tayanas are one of my faves along with the corbins.
6:12 nice antlers dude XD.
Bulkheads two options replace them completely or cut away the rotten sections on the bottom and replace only the rotten sections .Polyester resin is more easy to learn than epoxy but needs higher temperatures and more materials to work at 100% . Personally get a expert to look and estimate the cost for the repairs . That way you know what the best way to fix stuff. Athena is example of ways to fix things but a bit over kill for most boaters. Again get expert rigger to very costs to replace or repair . The attachments at bottom of stays can be cut off and remade losing a few inches on the length of the stays which can be made up with shackles or bottle screws. Wire off shackles the stainless steel types unwind themselves. Replacement Diesel heaters the van and truck types can be got online from China for €200 and they are virtually the same as marine types costing often € 2000. surveys often use small ball pin hammer on decks and tapping sounds tells them where hollow parts are but is a art form to learn I recall seeing on a RUclips on survey boat but for now i forgot the link . Also coastal Spain often isn't the cheapest for dry land work best to do minim work get going to cheaper places . You can look spain inland river regions but there are very few of those . France south isn't too cheap on coast but some inland regions might be cheaper. Lots of boats seem to collect on french spain border on french side so that might be cheaper region .Ask around where is cheapest place to lift boat and work on it . Greece is problematic nice but like turkey problematic . Turkey has cheaper good boat builders but sourcing complex sailing parts due to import tax can be a issue. Portugal up the rivers might be cheaper . A lot of the work like bulkheads fiber glass and furniture and even engine and rigging work can be done on the water but it tends to slow the work a lot especially if you're on the anchor . The most sheltered big bay in spain suitable for all year anchoring I know of from other sailors with smaller boats is direct south from Barcelona to the corner of spain but not sure the depth in the bay for lager boats. There exists some bays in atlantic spain for smaller boats and some I saw while driving through the region looked good for larger depth boats. However The marinas seemed to be also stupid money in Atlantic spain region. There seemed to be mooring available maybe even anchoring in Cadiz region it has huge sheltered bay . However Cadiz bay is commercial region so maybe they charge a lot for mooring . I too based in expensive Ireland am forced to revamp my 1976 ~3/4 length deep keel ~27 foot boat on the water in a inland marina costing 1000 euros a year as the cheapest solution versus lifting out .
next year it a free mooring in a sheltered bay before sailing off once again to warmer climes . If you do find a suitable cheap dry land spot in Spain Portugal or France consider to truck the boat there . Boat trucking prices sometimes can be cheaper solutions than staying in expensive regions fixing craft up and then getting unplanned delaysand extra unplanned costs .Trucking solutions tends to ben best solution for boats sub 30 feet but sometimes 34 to 36 feet older more narrow hull boats can squeak in at the lower costs for trucking. Height width and weight and distance and time of year are the factor that impact trucking boat costs. Too wide the lads need extra expensive escorts on the roads .
A lot of the western side Mediterranean ports charge lower prices on the hard for the first 6 weeks and then ratchet up the costs exponentially after that. Good luck keep us all posted
Check the going price for this same boat that is in excellent condition ready to go. If this boat plus the ball park cost of renovation ( excluding labor ) is a better number Go for it. My thoughts are that you should walk ( run ) away from this boat unless it is free.
Cheers Peter. The boat cost + refit are still 1/3 of the value of a good condition Tayana.
6:05 ... a few minutes in and Ryan had his thinking antlers on .... ? Useful .... 🤣
They help him think 🤔
I thought for sure that I would be the only one who noticed the "antlers". But seriously my boyfriend and I love y'all. We're a bit older, (40's) but we're thinking hitting the seas too. We need a break from the chaos that is our current reality! Your videos are very helpful. Take care, have fun, and keep posting videos!! ❤️
My thinking antlers never lead me wrong. :)
Motor good, rigging good, no soft spots, no blisters , go for it,,,,, it will be ok
Cheers Edward!
Love the raindeer hat!
She’s got great top-sides, her bottom is excellent as well, has an lovely shape, I like her curves and lines, overall an absolutely beautiful thing to perceive.
The boat’s nice too.
I was looking at a boat similar to the one you’ve chosen but 35’. A Baba Flying Dutchman to be exact. Asking price was $44,000 U.S. She was a gorgeous boat, but I would have to spend close to $75,000 to get her were I would want her to be. So I walked away...
Hey Rudy, wow $75K? That’s a lot. We do all the work ourselves, so we can get away with spending around £5K with the first refit 😊
New rigging, new deck, teak-leak, interior-teak refinishing, extras, extras, watermaker... It all adds up.
Always have your flame ready and then turn the gas on to avoid the little explosion.
She’s a nice looking boat. Just make sure you’re not buying a money pit. Best of luck
Fingers crossed! 🤞😊
An excellent presentation. Thanks for sharing. Nice web site. Love your style. What to do? Hard to say since we bought and fixed our boat. I guess if you love the design, buy it and fix it. All older boats come with something. The question is can you personally deal with it?
My wife and I are looking for a bigger boat, too. We have a 9.95 meter Aphrodite 101 which is probably smaller than your Kittiwake. You are right on about size. Much bigger and the costs begin to shoot up. Our attention has been grabbed by Tartan 37s which are also good seagoing yachts. We have seen both the Hood design and S & S design and like them both. I'm for the Hood and she's for the S &S. (So?? What should we do?)
As a professional yacht captain, I have sailed the Tayana 37 as well as having spoken with the designer by phone about the model. Good boats and I doubt it will let you down. One couple I know did two years in the Caribbean and USA East Coast. They were very satisfied with the yacht.
We have also rebuilt a couple of yachts. I don't want to do it again but I must say it was not nearly as much trouble as we first envisioned. Now, we are ready to retire and sail for pleasure.
Look forward to viewing more. Thanks and keep well!
Norman of Averisera
Hi Kittiwake: Thanks for the "heart."
Hey Norman, I thought I replied 🧐 maybe it didn’t publish (we had some connectivity issues yesterday). Thanks a lot for the lovely comment 😊 All older boats have problems to fix and we’re not shy to learn new skills, so we should be OK 😊👍
@@SailingKittiwake Yeah, learning the skills is a fun part of cruising. When Elizabeth and I look at a boat the question is always, "can we fix it?" We know we will have to just don't know when. We also find that the easier the boat is to repair, the less that goes wrong. Anyway... back to work. Thanks for the comms.
Were the deck core support invaded by water also, or did it have soft decks? I think it would be very expensive to replace bulkheads, damaged decks standing rigging, running rigging and set up a new solar system, water maker and new electronics for this boat to make it a safe boat to sail.
Perhaps I missed it ... but I wanted to know what "cheap" was?
Exactly
Purely dishonest to go through and not a word about how much did it cost
Me Too!!
I decided to start watching from the beginning.
"what he's asking for it" -- Why did they avoid the price?
Bitter sweet good luck !!!
Cheers Wayne 😊
If your worried about the standing then consider changing the primary forestay and the two outers as a minimum. That will help you sleep at night knowing the mast won’t come down. The wire at the top of the mast can be the most unknown, I’ve not seen anyone pointing out the three wire change solution.
Don’t do anything with the teak. Be practical in fixing the bulkhead.
Thanks for the advice Nigel, always appreciated. We've changed the backstay and will probably change the other top of the mast wires before any big passages. We'll see how we like the teak, so far we love it - especially that you don't leave footprints all over it when your feet are wet. Thankfully the previous owner agreed to sort the bulkheads along with quite a few other bits.
Miss you both. Good luc
Boats are always more work then anticipated.
There are a lot of sailboats with headroom in the 36+ ft. length range.
I just bought a 1988 Tayana37 ketch. Everything roller furling and with full electronics. She went through survey with just a few minor problems.
Nice! Whereabouts is she / you?
@@SailingKittiwake She is currently just south of Annapolis MD. Once some minor repairs and bottom painting is finished, I'll move her to around Wilmington North Carolina. From there we can sail anywhere. The Tayana is a blue water boat, and can handle most weather shy of a full blown hurricane. Even the main sail on my boat is roller furling so everything can be handled in the cockpit. Only the mizzen still uses a winch but that is in the cockpit as well.
Ricky can I ask what a boat like that would cost? Looking at boats myself right now.
It will be worth it! We just finished fixing up osprey!
Nice boat name! What is she?
@@SailingKittiwake she is a formosa 41. We we had to replace the core and a million other things. I took a year off work to get her ready.
Wow sounds intense! Congrats on finishing her up. Must have been lots of hard work 🙌
@@SailingKittiwake I won't lie. So much work. But we fell in love with osprey so we had little choice!
6:43 Good Bullwinkle hat!