Another issue with pumping ground water is Sagging earth. The Central Valley of California dropped like 25-40' due to the water pumping. It's starting to cause big problems with our cities, towns and Infrastructure.
@@adel19997 it's recorded in college earth science books - the water table has been rapidly dropping in the central valley since the combination of industrialized farming and lining the valley walls with dams - in the 1960's our basement flooded 3 in the winter/spring - in the 70's the basement stopped flooding - in the 80's we had to dig a deeper well ..
For those obsessed about the idea of terraforming other planets, if we can't figure out how to make a desert sustainable, what makes you think we can do so in places 33+ million miles away?
I'm a Tucson native. I've been muttering since the 1980's that people should NOT move to the desert SouthWest. I'm not a psychic but it doesn't take a scientist to see that a desert is not conducive to supporting millions of people (with their entitled swimming pools and green golf courses). [sigh]
Actually, in Pima County, our water use is down from 30 years ago due to agriculture's demise. We rely on CAP water to recharge the aquifer, and that might be an issue soon, but right now the Santa Cruz flows from Ina Rd well beyond the Santa Cruz Flats out near Arizona City. That could all be reclaimed to drinking quality, if we spent the money on a proper treatement facility.
@@bobbid65 most of them, yes. Also same for the parts of town that use SRP irrigation that so many in the comments seem to think is so terrible. The actual problem is people who live in those neighborhoods in new houses and condos where the developer replaced the old grey water irrigation for “updated landscaping” with sprinklers feeding off the regular water supply.
@@Winterascent water use in Maricopa County is also down from 30 years ago in spite of the population boom for the same reason as well as better water management. Funny how videos like this always fail to mention that.
I'm watching this as I sit in my home in michigan. We've got so much water that we pretty much never worry about it. I'm not begging millions of people to move to my neck of the woods, but it does seem obvious to me that some areas of this world can support lots of life for long periods of time, and other places, not so much.
True, but the growth is in the Southwest, not in Michigan. Developers build to make payroll and they pay the politicians to make it happen. They don't have to worry about the consequences of no water. That is left to the incompetent bureaucrats.
@@jacquelinemarie1078 I don't need to look it up as I'm well versed on weather warfare. There are over 200 patents owned mostly by the military to control the weather.
I lived in Arizona for years until the powers in Kingman decided to allow a developer from LV and one from Saudi Arabia to buy huge areas of desert to plant of all things hay. A lot of Arizona uses ground water and hay takes a lot of water so the people who lived in that area had no water. The real kicker was the Saudi hat was shipped back to their country while the cost of hay rose to appealing prices that people could not afford. Arizona is drying up and soon there will be no water.
Imagine all that happens in regards to the planet without most people being aware? 😢 its sad that in the end humans will be the reason for decline and ultimate cessation of life on earth as we know it today.
@@Patrick-yh5yd Florida is not a place I would chose to live in . Hurricane's, property taxes and insure cost. If you can find an insurance company that will ensure your home. Rust is also bad on auto. Here in Aridzona you can find fifty year old autos with no rust at all.
I lived in Phoenix for 48-1;2 years - that’s 1955 to 2003 - I went to HarcsdianHS and am an ASU grad for anyone who lives there - and there never ever was one single notice about saving water. The area around the Valley (where the guy pointed out at the beginning) has had cracks in the earth since I first heard if them in HS in the 1960s - like a sponge that goes dry and drier - growing water cannot and has not ever caught up with the growth in the Valley - every single home where I lived had grass (I really despise those rock lawns like in Sun City) but no one said grass wasn’t good. We had threes that literally sucked water - mulberry and olive for example - did the state government do anything - nope! As I got older I began to realize that most of the people who run AZ haven’t a clue about anything. I wouldn’t move back there for all the money in the world (but I do miss IN N Out!!!!!!! Please don’t move there - we wouldn’t be able to afford the house we sold in 2003 for just under $300,000 - it’s not going for close to $900,000!
I'm a second generation Phoenix native. I can remember my mother, (also a Phoenix native) and I talking about this back in the 1980s. She kept saying we only have so much water, and once that ground water is gone, it doesn't come back. I left the state for good a few years ago, and have no plans to return.
Phx uses less H2O now than it did during your high school days...btw. Just living here for 40 years (me included) does not magically fill you with expert water knowledge. Your post sounds like a bit of an uninformed rant, of which you are entitled to. It is just that the LA times articles that are going to endlessly drip for the next decade are going foster alarmist rants with few well informed opinions.
Most of the water is used for farming. More sustainable farming practices like hydroponics, while more expensive in the short term, are overall better in the long run. More food per acre and less water used.
CALIFORNIA'S farming is a problem...(Im for the banning of almond trees on a commercial level) Arizonas water was cut because the farmer arent using it.
@@vvy4egh No need to micromanage; just have farmers pay for the water and they'll adapt. There are cost effective ways to desalinate runoff (can be done with a solar setup, but nobody is going to spend even a small amount of money if the water is free)
@@The_Ballo you can call keeping "corporate " entities " in check micromanaging all you like. This country waste so much food yet they do nothing to stop thoes from going hungry. Why bother bettering our people so we can get back on top instead of the illusion we are.
Turned out it was not such a hot idea migrating millions into a desert. In the future Mother Nature will reclaim cities of Las Vegas and Phoenix and give it back to the desert.
The whole West needs to reevaluate its water use. I’ve watched Colorado’s front range expand exponentially without restrictions on traditional landscapes.
YUP I live in Pueblo and recently traveled north to Denver. I was absolutely shocked at the exponential growth that is clearly visible from the interstate. So, SO many 'ant farms' of development for as far as the eye could see. Where are all those people going to get their water ??
No one should think man could live in a desert. Also we as humans are very wasteful. We are destroying this planet as the fastest rate I have ever seen and the sades part is we are going back to the moon for what? We need to get this planet in order which should be our highest priority.
I live in AZ and where I live it rains year round, no shortage of water here. If you want to solve the water issue equip homes with gutters and rain catchment systems. The logical answers will never be explored because the multinational corporations that own the Dams will never relinquish their control.
I was down there 30 years ago and they weren't managing the water properly at that point. Rivers would just stop at a dam and not go anywhere. Residential lawns were watered by flooding. It's a desert it's being treated like they're in the northwest.
Exactly. They are spoiled rotten. That has to stop now! We have bigger problems than their pathetic needs for a green lawn! Up to me we would throw them all in jail for a year, seize their property and relocate them to any city in Alaska.
There’s another issue here that’s quite relevant and that is deep aquifer water toxicity. If these development projects expand, it would be interesting to see if there’s an increase in certain illnesses associated with aquifer toxic contaminants that are notoriously difficult to dissolve once isolated. It may also be the case that the cost of removing these contaminants both in terms of water treatment as well as to human health outweigh any benefit to increased development.
Plus the leasing of farmlands to Saudi Arabia for alfalfa farms with no restrictions on water usage.. that's a big problem that nobody seems to be aware of.
California is the largest user of the Colorado River. Most of the H20 is going to CA Agriculture. Yet CA has not had any "cuts" in its supply. 2023 will be interesting for the Big "3" Reservors (Flaming Gorge, Utah., Lake Powel, UT., & Lake Mead Nevada/Arizona.
Right. As a Midwesterner with family ties to Colorado and Wyoming, and having a agricultural background watching the population growth from the Front Range thru the intermountain West to the Pacific is increadable and the ammount of intense farming in California is using water at a dizzying rate. I was in Denver for the first time in 20 years this summer and the growth there never seems to stop... California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah and Colorado need to get there shit together, or wither on the vine.
Yup, California contributes nothing, but takes the lions share because they showed up first. The US will be in for a shock if southern California farms have limited water in the winter season. Not sure how dead pool on Lake Mead will affect water distribution, but it is likely in the next 5 years.
@@real0mar I grew up in Arizona. Hay fruit orchards and other cattle feed is a good portion of the crops grown. Last year I traveled through the state and a lot of the fields are fallow
Growing hundreds of thousands of acres of corn in southern Arizona is using considerable more water then corn grown in Iowa, Indiana, Georgia or any state that isn’t a friggen desert.
Los Angeles time's needs to look in the mirror and realize California is destroying the Colorado River and its water. Definitely doesn't make sense, especially with it being a coastal state
@two stop I do agree with you on everyone taking advantage of the river. But when California uses twice as much water from the colorado vs. Arizona , we dont have many options like an ocean on our doorstep and considering that river runs through AZ well before California. But like usual, it all comes down to bad management. After 36 years in Phoenix and never had issues with water, they definitely have done an amazing job in AZ
@two stop and to be honest, I don't think they would be building one of the biggest chip manufacturer TMSC in Phoenix if there were gonna be future issues
I am a inventor and have had some technology available for more than 30 years, it has only been recently that desalination of ocean water has been taken seriously, while researching the issue of what to do with the salt brine as not to create an ecological problem by putting it back in the ocean or dumping it into the ground but making useful product, I was approached by a company that had some desalination technology of their own and they were familiar with my experience in custom machine design and building for specific applications, they were unaware that I had my own desalination technology and after discussing the similarities I discovered that their system had the answer that I was looking for to address the issue of the salt brine disposal, I also realized that their system “process” would be much more efficient and effective on a large very scale so I decided to set aside the development of my own project and join the company and help bring awareness and assist in getting it used for solving the water crisis, the system can produce 800,000 AF of desalinated water per year, requires no “0”energy consumption from the grid and actually would produce excess energy 2+ GW that could be available supply to the grid and no salt brine waste, the brine is refined and processed into useful products in a totally green operation. If you would like to know more details you may contact me anytime, I have been in contact with state and federal agencies and I am not receiving the kind of response if any on this issue of the water crisis, it would seem to me that the state and federal government would rather manage the funding in perpetual bureaucracy than actually solving the problem. Respectfully Mark McCoin
Ralph Anderson, well-driller and realist. Kathy... pragmatist. It's not if the Colorado River dries up, but when. It is another feat of geoengineering. Thank you very much
Another feat of geoengineering gone wrong. Who would move to the desert and then complain there is no water? Only a selfish fool. People who don't want to suffer through the cold of a winter move to the desert but still expect the convenience of living in the north east. They act like spoiled children. And they do not care if the rest of the worlds suffers just so long as they can have a green lawn. They will destroy the world we live in if we let them.
But why would we geoengineer something detrimental to our well being that nature can engineer by itself and in geological terms has likely done many times over before mankind was ever a factor on this planet?
Maybe because people are not the issue. Agriculture uses 90% of the water. For some reason none of these shows tell the truth. And there's a drought here every 30 or 40 years. In the 1940s into the 1950s we had a drought just like this.
A year and a half ago I was priced out of my home and commercial space because out of state developers bought both and raised rates by almost 100%. It brings me joy to know those same developers will lose their shirts because there won't be any water for all the properties they are developing.
unfortunately, we are the ones suffering. the developers won't, they will always have the money they need, and can get tax credits for any loses. it's always us that suffer, so don't be too joyful, the developers are going to do just fine.
I'm not sure it is right to rejoice at their upcoming woes but they are due for some pain. I fear corrupt politicians will offer them unjust taxpayer subsidized golden parachutes.
@@troyb.4101 I'm an expert on nothing but how do u catch all the rain water. Isn't desert rain way more spotty too. You guys wanna like ship in water from all over the state which is like the size of 7 other states combined?
@@greggfisher7365 Simple you have sand and gravel plants along the river basins, when it rains here they collect thousands of acre feet of water. top soil, etc. It is a win win for every one. With all the construction here that sand and gravel is needed big time for concrete. Along these river basins in this state are huge deposits of needed material. Build the sand and gravel pits like open pit mines. Making sure all equipment stays out of the flooding areas.
I am certain that I join MANY others in suggesting that California, Arizona and the US Government take the time, invest the money to do the advanced research for improving current desalination processes and procedures. Yes, Cali has a few DeSal plants in place....but not nearly enough for the long-term future of those three states and the impact they have on our country's agricultural well being.
I know we don't have a lot of rain but I think we could still have rain catchment systems for individual homes and small businesses the city could help by providing resources and discounts to individuals and small businesses. Believe it or not we do get enough rain to collect quite a bit of rainwater.
Should be mandated for developers to install water capture as part of new builds. I’m sure they wouldn’t like it as it adds to the cost of construction…
@@bbustin1747 that is a great idea and honestly don't think it would end up costing them that much. They can just tack it on to the price of the house. And I think it would attract a lot of people. Particularly if it's done really nicely to where it looks good.
We live in the here and now. Texas has immense underground aquafers and also gets ample rain to replenish some of what is used. Texas also has no natural lakes, not a one. All rivers originating in Texas are spring fed. These rivers are used to create reservoirs. The Rio Grande originates in Colorado and the Trans Pecos in New Mexico. These two large rivers merge near Del Rio and create the Amistad Reservoir. The Rio Grande is at record low levels as much of that water does not make it to Texas. So, apart from the Amistad, all water used in Texas is ground water. Nature always wins eventually.
@@margaretames6522 part of the issue of water use by ag is the *choice of crops*, and the use of marginal land (look up Westland water district). A move towards sustainable farming would include not growing water intensive crops in arid regions.
NO it goes deeper that what you see. The government has been manipulating the weather for decades. It's called geo engineering. So ultimately, the government is responsible for our current situation. Why would they do this you ask ?? Because the end goal is total control of society. Total control of water, food, money. Just wait, you'll see......
@@The_Ballo that’s not destroying the planet. The planet does it to itself. We and other living things adapt or die out, but earth will still be here. Personally I’m hoping for the “we die out” option. Or at least the weak, woke and wimpy die out so we can start over.
They are building cheaper SFH in Casa Grande too. It is a haul to the PHX area. In Midtown Phoenix people still flood irrigate their lawns. We just got back from Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo Counties. So many old fashioned lawns there too. My State of Utah is the 2nd driest and you would think you were in Virginia based on the non native plants. The big issue though is Ag. In my State, one crop, alfalfa, uses 68% of the water. Whether Ag, homeowners or businesses too many have not faced reality.
The irrigation in midtown Phoenix uses reclaimed grey water which then naturally filters through the ground to the water table. It’s not the problem, it’s part of the solution.
@@danieldaniels7571 I think you are confusing greywater use and municipal reclaimed water. The lawns we saw we covered with three inches of water. Hence, flood irrigation. The City of Phoenix only use reclaimed water for ground water injection and parks. Homeowners do not tap that source. Greywater from a washer or sink would not cover an entire front yard. Please check the City's website.
@@kenhunt5153 homeowners in parts of Phoenix most certainly do tap into that source, and it’s managed by SRP, not the city, so there’s no reason for it to be on the city website. It’s on a schedule, so if you want to use it you need to be up when it flows and open the valve, and then close it when you have enough to fill your yard. Although I rent, I live in a neighborhood on a property that uses the system.
California keeps taking more and more of that Colorado river water than any other state and wastes it. You guys need to do like they do in Arizona and have hard landscaping of artificial grass and plants that do not consume so much water
This can be solved in 1 easy step. Shut down a lot of Golf Courses. Arizona has over 370 courses. Currently Arizona golf courses use approximately 120,000 acre ft of water per year. Of that amount, approximately 21,000 acre ft. of water comes from the Colorado River. 1 acre ft. = 326,000 gallons. After doing the math of (21,000 x 326,000) = the golf courses in Arizona are taking 6.8 Billion gallons from the Colorado River per year. And that's just Arizona. California has 921 golf courses, Colorado has 300 courses, Nevada has 88 courses, Utah has 140 courses, and New Mexico has 100 courses. Let that sink in. Source: "Kyl Center for Water Policy"
@@sintay8002 Even Turlingua, which is just north of Mexican border averages 11 inches per year in rain, and even with that amount, that would still be sufficient. You just have to have a large enough collection surface and storage capacity for it.
Rain averages don't tell the whole story. You can have a lower-than-average rain year and what do you do then? What do you suggest? Paving the Southwest to collect every drop of rainwater? Where and how are you going to store it? I lived in the Southwest for 35 years. Most of the rains we got were during the monsoon season. That was a few weeks during the summer. The rest of the year was basically dry. Your theory doesn't even begin to hold water. Pun very definitely intended.
@@Firedog-ny3cq Are you actually interested in knowing the answer to your questions, or are you just trying to argue? Because there are answers, and people successfuly survive on rainwater all the time, and even if you don't collect and store enough, you can fall back on ground water deliveries from a deep communal well (instead of using that as your primary source). Just do a search for "rainwater harvesting" to learn all about it. And it has nothing to do with paving anything, except perhaps to sink some posts into the ground to mount the rainwater collection surface.
@@Firedog-ny3cq I can tell you what the planners do when they have a wet year above the baseline: use it as the justification for approving further development.
Nevada doubled in population and cut water use 35%. Agriculture uses 90% of the water. It's so you can have produce all winter long. Read more post comments less.
I have lived in Las Vagas, since I was in the 3rd grade. I am 70 now. They have been talking about conservation since then. But the Money always wins out. the county commission just keeps letting them Build and Build. there was 33K People in the Valley back when I moved here. Now we have 2.3 million people in the Valley. What kind of control is that?
There's tons of water out west. The problem is that California takes water from lake Meade and they have been caught dumping it into the ocean to create shortages multiple times.
The southwest water crisis will only become a severe issue when water is no longer available. State, local, and individual water/rain collection was never mentioned and is not a consideration. But, the sale of water will become big business and a taxable commodity.
la times has a lot of nerve reporting on arizona - cali state law requires water districts to have a secured 20-year supply of water before issuing a 'will serve' letter for water - but socal has build tens of thousands of houses without any water supply - specifically the city of beaumont ..
This video piece was very hypocritical considering the source. It wouldn’t surprise me if California mismanages more water than anywhere else in the world despite its 40 million deep population
This is the fault of government regulators not practicing better zoning regulations and refusing to promote any real density. They want to sell off public land and make a quick buck.
You want the gov't to control the in and outflow of people to certain areas of the U.S.? So you want tyranny. This is the wrong country for you homie. Our tax dollars should be used to address these issues, not the implementation of tyranny.
@@sawluke when people in mass numbers migrate to a country illegally then it’s resources will fade faster then it normally would.I’m native blood homie ,I have all the right to be here and to protect it from criminal trespassers .
This is a manufactured crisis to justify huge increases in residential water bills. If farmers had to pay the same rates as the residential users, the problem would be resolved immediately.
Meanwhile I’m here just bing chilling in Michigan with 5 massive bodies of fresh water. I will never understand people’s desire to go an live in a literal desert climate.
What was the outside temperature in your area on Christmas day? I have elderly relatives in the Midwest that won't leave the house for a walk now until April.
The last thing the people of Arizona needs is someone from California coming over and telling them how to use their water. If CA. had better managed their own water there would be no need to worry about anyone else. Nine years ago I was writing letters to the editor of the local newspaper suggesting partnering with CA. to build a desalination plant on the CA. coast. AZ. & CA. could share the cost & split the water. Or, to save money by not digging a pipe line to the Colorado River, let CA. keep all the water but CA. turning over their water to AZ. on the river to equal 1/2 of what the plant was producing. Fair & efficient. Of course, nothing was done by CA. or AZ. who are both to blame for this mess we are in.
All of Arizona's surrounding towns have wells that are running dry,the home owners will be left holding the bag,with a house that's worth ZERO with no water.
Palms have been greased. The developers are going to get their wish. Yet people keep believing in politicians and political parties. Money in politics could be the straw that broke the camel's back.
So why are we letting in tons of migrants/immigrants into our country? Much of the population growth of Phoenix was due to immigration (resulted in SB 1070) and their children. Not to mention high costs/taxes of California and the Rustbelt economy. Same with here in Las Vegas. Why not address what is causing growth instead? Why not also remove codes/policies along with a financial system that encourages this type of growth?
So the Arizona politician says running out of water is no big deal because will just simply be back to where we were in the 1970s. How nostalgic. However there will be 100 times more people depending on water access then there was back then.
@First name Trying to populate a desert that has no aquifers and only one river from two states away as a main water source is just SO hard to wrap your head around am i right?
@First name I understand that it takes one gallon of water to produce one almond. Some geniuses decided long ago to turn the Cal desert into a garden. Am I at all showing the 'capacity' to understand stuff yet?
In Albuquerque, we were told for years that once the water was pumped from the aquifer, it was GONE. Well, home owners in the Albuquerque area went xeriscape big-time - almost every lawn was removed and replaced with native plants and rocks. And what do you know??? THE AQUIFER LEVEL STARTED TO RISE. Water percolates down to the aquifer and is replaced by what rain water there is. Now the RATE may be in question, but don't tell me that once the groundwater is pumped, it's gone. That's just not true.
Are Arizonans suffering from collective sunstroke on the subject of water, or what? Growing cities? It's like backing up the Titanic for another run at the iceberg.
Unfortunately, there’s money to be made with so many people moving to Arizona. And until every last drop of water is gone, developers will do whatever is takes to line their pockets. Is the state gov’t gonna do anything? NO they’re lining their pockets too!!!
To me, it seems odd to be complaining about the Colorado River and the reservoirs they feed drying up and allowing the long stretch of water from the CAP to be totally exposed throughout much of it's desert range. I haven't heard ANYONE make a quote on calculations of just how much water gets wasted due to EVAPORATION! They act like they have and endless supply of water. Look at the golf courses with the big ponds of exposed water! They even put man-made water falls in places. Don't they realize that makes evaporation even worse??? Their actions never appear to coincide with their words! Just like our Federal Government and our worthless 2-faced politicians who say one thing while doing the opposite.
I do not have any at hand, but there are calculation for the loss of water from evaporation at reservoirs. Years ago they were trying to find ways to reduce evaporation from reservoirs. The most notable was the release of nearly 100 million balls into Los Angeles Reservoir in 2015.
Well said, Joe - I've been saying this for decades about the CAP. An OPEN DITCH in a desert with incredibly low RH values that increase the rate of evaporation exponentially. Golf courses - IN A DESERT??? Waterfalls - IN A DESERT??? Millions of people (with pools) - IN A DESERT???? Farms - IN A DESERT???? Jeeeeeez. "Doomed as a Species"
Couldn't have anything to do with all that lettuce growing in Yuma. Or the dates and strawberries. Poor water management to blame more than anything else.
I have thought of one solution to the water shortage. Don't develop housing or other potential uses of water if there is no water available without an unlimited sustainable source.
It's not desertification, it has always been a desert. The problem is perverse economic incentives where people either pay to have wells drilled then no future cost attached to water extraction from aquifer, or inept government central planning of water that doesn't reflect the true cost of the scarce resource.
Unfortunately, requests for that have been denied in the past. It is just pumped into rivers after it has been run through sewage plants. For some reason, although the water is perfectly safe to drink, they do not want to pump in into aquifers. Also, insufficient as most of the water is used by farms.
80% of the Colorado River water goes to agriculture. Blaming individual people (and not the wealthy special interests using the vast majority of the water) shows how honest our news media is and who they serve.
Turns out moving a massive population into one of the least habitable biomes on earth was a bad idea. This is the outcome that should have been expected. Other poor ideas are backfilling a swamp to build a city, building a city below sea level in a coastal area, and building cities on top of/around active volcanoes. If only there were historical records of all these things leading to catastrophic ruin in the past........
It's not like this problem is new. Desalination by California would greatly help but it's a situation where the regs and lack of initiative paralyzes these Democrat states.
What happed to the desalination plant in Huntington Beach? I heard that was going to create a Surplus of water that would be able to be sold to the rest of Orange County and San Diego helping improve the supply of water dramatically. Then they wouldn’t have to pull as much from the Colorado aqueduct which would help Arizona
@@Better_Car_Control What happened to the desalination plant in Huntington Beach? The AES facility, the proposed site of the Poseidon Huntington Beach Seawater Desalination Plant was rejected in a critical vote by the California Coastal Commission (CCC) on Thursday, May 12. The highly contested project was debated for more than two decades.Jul 19, 2022
I've been following hydro-politics for many years and knew the risks of buying a house in Yuma last spring. If it becomes worthless because of lack of water in the region, so be it. I'll move along. Compared to California, the GDP of Arizona is so small that AZ doesn't have much say in anything. We get however much water California allows us to get.
California takes 4.4 MILLION acre feet of water from the Colorado river each year! If Arizona retained all, or a large part of that water, the pressure would be reduced dramatically! When it does rain in the Los Angeles area billions and billions of gallons of fresh water washes directly out to the ocean through the storm channel system. This valuable water could/should be captured and processed which would dramatically lessen the need for imported water. As an added bonus this discarded water carries built up contaminant’s (waste, furniture, paint, pesticides and trash of every kind) from the flood channels straight Pacific Ocean! Stop blaming “climate change” on the lack of water until all of the water nature provides is properly utilized!
So, you are proposing people drink rainwater loaded with "pesticides, waste, and trash"? This kind of thinking is why the human species is headed off the cliff of extinction. We are too stupid to survive our own lack of intelligence.
Regulators need to stop the overdevelopment. We came to Phoenix in the early 1970's, and saw how builders would eat up the desert with Cookie Cutter Homes. The saying was: "Drive until you qualify" for buyers. The center of Phoenix was 19th Avenue & Bethany Home Road. No new home building permits unless water is available for 50+ years.
woah woah lets talk about who is using most of the water (Los Angeles), lets not forget who has been practicing conservation from the start (phoenix), why does california get access to water in colorado when they have their own access to water in the north of the state...... hey fresno how is your water supply doing??? oh its so bad you have to transport water and you have sink holes because their is no water left in ground WTF..... the day pheonix has sink holes like the central valley in california is the day Im gonna believe this propoganda..... california needs to practice better more sustainabe use of water like sweeping the streets with brooms in front of shops instead of spraying water..... what a joke
Good to know those from Los Angeles, definitely not known for sprawl in the desert (and double the size of Phoenix, land wise) and wasteful water usage, are concerned about Phoenix.... Take care of yourselves first - you have 4 times as many people.
Brought to you by the same people who tell you that mass immigration is not a problem. We just need to live in apartments with our chronically homeless neighbors, drink urine, eat bug meat. And let's not forget to pay our reparations. Together, we can achieve climate justice.
How you know the whole crew is from Cali and so what?.. journalists inform on lots of places they don't live in... plus it affects many states ... don't fear informed people
The southwest needs to plant grass to retain the water. end of story. these towns they've been building further and further out of town for the last 30 years will never be sustainable
Another issue with pumping ground water is Sagging earth. The Central Valley of California dropped like 25-40' due to the water pumping. It's starting to cause big problems with our cities, towns and Infrastructure.
Did that occured in 40 years or 1,000 years?
@@adel19997 it's recorded in college earth science books - the water table has been rapidly dropping in the central valley since the combination of industrialized farming and lining the valley walls with dams - in the 1960's our basement flooded 3 in the winter/spring - in the 70's the basement stopped flooding - in the 80's we had to dig a deeper well ..
The earth rises and drops at fault lines
@@Oregon123 the fault lines run along the western side of the cali mountain range - the san joaquin valley is on the east side of the mountain range
Did not know that.
For those obsessed about the idea of terraforming other planets, if we can't figure out how to make a desert sustainable, what makes you think we can do so in places 33+ million miles away?
Thank you. I've always thought the same thing myself. Why try to live somewhere there is no water.
It's ok 👌 to visit,just don't try to stay.
Damn spitting facts
If we ever have the ability to terraform another planet, we'd have the ability to re terraform our planet
Good point
Yeah, sorry to break the news….most people are focused on destroying this one, only a few pathological individuals actually think about terraforming.
I'm a Tucson native. I've been muttering since the 1980's that people should NOT move to the desert SouthWest. I'm not a psychic but it doesn't take a scientist to see that a desert is not conducive to supporting millions of people (with their entitled swimming pools and green golf courses). [sigh]
Golf courses use reclaimed grey water which naturally filters down to the water table. They’re not the problem, they’re part of the solution.
@@danieldaniels7571
good to know - same for cemeteries?
Actually, in Pima County, our water use is down from 30 years ago due to agriculture's demise. We rely on CAP water to recharge the aquifer, and that might be an issue soon, but right now the Santa Cruz flows from Ina Rd well beyond the Santa Cruz Flats out near Arizona City. That could all be reclaimed to drinking quality, if we spent the money on a proper treatement facility.
@@bobbid65 most of them, yes. Also same for the parts of town that use SRP irrigation that so many in the comments seem to think is so terrible. The actual problem is people who live in those neighborhoods in new houses and condos where the developer replaced the old grey water irrigation for “updated landscaping” with sprinklers feeding off the regular water supply.
@@Winterascent water use in Maricopa County is also down from 30 years ago in spite of the population boom for the same reason as well as better water management. Funny how videos like this always fail to mention that.
On a positive note, desert exoburbs will someday be a rich source of scrounged building materials for the survivors.
I'm watching this as I sit in my home in michigan. We've got so much water that we pretty much never worry about it. I'm not begging millions of people to move to my neck of the woods, but it does seem obvious to me that some areas of this world can support lots of life for long periods of time, and other places, not so much.
You are a wise man, we need more people like you.
Peace.
True, but the growth is in the Southwest, not in Michigan. Developers build to make payroll and they pay the politicians to make it happen. They don't have to worry about the consequences of no water. That is left to the incompetent bureaucrats.
well, the weather manipulating machines don't help. LOOK IT UP!!!
@@jacquelinemarie1078 I don't need to look it up as I'm well versed on weather warfare. There are over 200 patents owned mostly by the military to control the weather.
@@jmn93065 ridiculous
I lived in Arizona for years until the powers in Kingman decided to allow a developer from LV and one from Saudi Arabia to buy huge areas of desert to plant of all things hay. A lot of Arizona uses ground water and hay takes a lot of water so the people who lived in that area had no water. The real kicker was the Saudi hat was shipped back to their country while the cost of hay rose to appealing prices that people could not afford. Arizona is drying up and soon there will be no water.
Thanks for sharing, U wasn't aware.
Big consequences to many while a few get richer, greedy people are ruining the planet.
Wow, i didn't lnow about this?
@@mimi1o8 no doubt
Imagine all that happens in regards to the planet without most people being aware? 😢 its sad that in the end humans will be the reason for decline and ultimate cessation of life on earth as we know it today.
Desert development is a prime example of our shortsightedness and hubris.
Again, it's all about money.
No it's all about outthinking the problem. Aridzona gets plenty of water, nobody has a plan to store any of it.
Do not move to Florida with your sick ideas.
@@Patrick-yh5yd Florida is not a place I would chose to live in . Hurricane's, property taxes and insure cost. If you can find an insurance company that will ensure your home. Rust is also bad on auto. Here in Aridzona you can find fifty year old autos with no rust at all.
@@troyb.4101 no rust bad up north unless you live on the beach.
I lived in Phoenix for 48-1;2 years - that’s 1955 to 2003 - I went to HarcsdianHS and am an ASU grad for anyone who lives there - and there never ever was one single notice about saving water. The area around the Valley (where the guy pointed out at the beginning) has had cracks in the earth since I first heard if them in HS in the 1960s - like a sponge that goes dry and drier - growing water cannot and has not ever caught up with the growth in the Valley - every single home where I lived had grass (I really despise those rock lawns like in Sun City) but no one said grass wasn’t good. We had threes that literally sucked water - mulberry and olive for example - did the state government do anything - nope! As I got older I began to realize that most of the people who run AZ haven’t a clue about anything. I wouldn’t move back there for all the money in the world (but I do miss IN N Out!!!!!!! Please don’t move there - we wouldn’t be able to afford the house we sold in 2003 for just under $300,000 - it’s not going for close to $900,000!
Go test boomer it will be ok
“Boomer”? How offensive. You’re so cutting edge, and original.
I'm a second generation Phoenix native. I can remember my mother, (also a Phoenix native) and I talking about this back in the 1980s. She kept saying we only have so much water, and once that ground water is gone, it doesn't come back. I left the state for good a few years ago, and have no plans to return.
Sorry, I will have to move there one day. The desert is calling. ☀❤
Phx uses less H2O now than it did during your high school days...btw. Just living here for 40 years (me included) does not magically fill you with expert water knowledge. Your post sounds like a bit of an uninformed rant, of which you are entitled to. It is just that the LA times articles that are going to endlessly drip for the next decade are going foster alarmist rants with few well informed opinions.
Most of the water is used for farming. More sustainable farming practices like hydroponics, while more expensive in the short term, are overall better in the long run. More food per acre and less water used.
CALIFORNIA'S farming is a problem...(Im for the banning of almond trees on a commercial level) Arizonas water was cut because the farmer arent using it.
Exactly. Every acre of alfalfa field converted to housing is a net+ to the water supply.
@@vvy4egh No need to micromanage; just have farmers pay for the water and they'll adapt. There are cost effective ways to desalinate runoff (can be done with a solar setup, but nobody is going to spend even a small amount of money if the water is free)
@@The_Ballo you can call keeping "corporate " entities " in check micromanaging all you like. This country waste so much food yet they do nothing to stop thoes from going hungry. Why bother bettering our people so we can get back on top instead of the illusion we are.
@@vvy4egh If you want to stop wasting food (not sure how that topic came up), abolish the USDA
Turned out it was not such a hot idea migrating millions into a desert. In the future Mother Nature will reclaim cities of Las Vegas and Phoenix and give it back to the desert.
Facts Vegas should be shut down if we really care about water consumption
@@jaysonoweh2227 we don’t have to Mother Nature will shut it down in time.
@@doctorstrangelove9487 yep
80% of water usage in the Southwest goes towards agriculture and golf courses. Cities are not the problem.
@@McAwesome363 well we need food right? We can do without a city in desert but we can’t do without food
The whole West needs to reevaluate its water use. I’ve watched Colorado’s front range expand exponentially without restrictions on traditional landscapes.
HOW ABOUT THE WHOLE WORLD 🌎
Any place that is a desert and has a city is the first main problem that needs to go
They complain to everyone about climate change then rob the 77 million year old Colorado river dry.
YUP I live in Pueblo and recently traveled north to Denver. I was absolutely shocked at the exponential growth that is clearly visible from the interstate. So, SO many 'ant farms' of development for as far as the eye could see. Where are all those people going to get their water ??
The whole country needs to reevaluate having children. The issue isn't water, it's overpopulation.
Not sure how anyone can move out there thinking you'll have water forever. Its a desert.
No one should think man could live in a desert. Also we as humans are very wasteful. We are destroying this planet as the fastest rate I have ever seen and the sades part is we are going back to the moon for what? We need to get this planet in order which should be our highest priority.
YUP the main things I look into when relocating is power supply and WATER
But it's a dry heat
People have lived in deserts for millions of years. If they're smart, they recognize it's a desert and live accordingly.
@@ecolocalguy That's a typo... It's a dry HEAVE ;)
Not only is this disastrous for water supplies but I'm sick of seeing Desert Land get eaten up by this damn sprawl!! Enough is Enough!!
I live in AZ and where I live it rains year round, no shortage of water here. If you want to solve the water issue equip homes with gutters and rain catchment systems. The logical answers will never be explored because the multinational corporations that own the Dams will never relinquish their control.
I’m amazed that the new TSMC advanced computer chip factory is going to be located in Arizona. Those things use TONS of water.
They must not like rain,and understand it's importance to life.
tsmc will be the biggest single water consumer in the entire state
Watch the whole documentary on TSMC in Arizona and all the water that is used is recycled and used over and over.
The water from TMSC is borrowed and recycled right back into the supply
@@davidlauer5436 sorry I missed it ,I spoke out of turn.
I was down there 30 years ago and they weren't managing the water properly at that point. Rivers would just stop at a dam and not go anywhere. Residential lawns were watered by flooding. It's a desert it's being treated like they're in the northwest.
Irrigation with grey water is actually really good water management
Exactly. They are spoiled rotten. That has to stop now!
We have bigger problems than their pathetic needs for a green lawn!
Up to me we would throw them all in jail for a year, seize their property and relocate them to any city in Alaska.
There’s another issue here that’s quite relevant and that is deep aquifer water toxicity. If these development projects expand, it would be interesting to see if there’s an increase in certain illnesses associated with aquifer toxic contaminants that are notoriously difficult to dissolve once isolated.
It may also be the case that the cost of removing these contaminants both in terms of water treatment as well as to human health outweigh any benefit to increased development.
Plus the leasing of farmlands to Saudi Arabia for alfalfa farms with no restrictions on water usage.. that's a big problem that nobody seems to be aware of.
If youre sending the water to California, it definitely causes cancer.
We were always told when we were kids water will become like gold in the future
Detroit will be one of the richest cities in the world!
California is the largest user of the Colorado River. Most of the H20 is going to CA Agriculture. Yet CA has not had any "cuts" in its supply. 2023 will be interesting for the Big "3" Reservors (Flaming Gorge, Utah., Lake Powel, UT., & Lake Mead Nevada/Arizona.
Right. As a Midwesterner with family ties to Colorado and Wyoming, and having a agricultural background watching the population growth from the Front Range thru the intermountain West to the Pacific is increadable and the ammount of intense farming in California is using water at a dizzying rate.
I was in Denver for the first time in 20 years this summer and the growth there never seems to stop... California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah and Colorado need to get there shit together, or wither on the vine.
Yup, California contributes nothing, but takes the lions share because they showed up first. The US will be in for a shock if southern California farms have limited water in the winter season. Not sure how dead pool on Lake Mead will affect water distribution, but it is likely in the next 5 years.
CA has senior water rights! with the MOST people in state than any other state in the union.
@@brawnbenson552 hopefully it finally falls off the map.
Maybe if Doug Ducey didn't sell the water of Arizona's people to Saudi Arabia, it might help?
I've heard reports of semiconductor manufacture moving to AZ... Where will the water come from?
FB data center that consume alot of water is being built right now
Another problem that isn’t really talked about is the effect on our food supply from cutting water allotment for farming
Most of the water that goes to agriculture here is growing cash crops that don't impact food supply such as cotton.
@@real0mar I grew up in Arizona. Hay fruit orchards and other cattle feed is a good portion of the crops grown.
Last year I traveled through the state and a lot of the fields are fallow
We are going to experience some kind of dust bowl kind of situation if we don't get water under control
@Moon Shine Yes and people are moving out of California in droves, dumdum.
Growing hundreds of thousands of acres of corn in southern Arizona is using considerable more water then corn grown in Iowa, Indiana, Georgia or any state that isn’t a friggen desert.
Los Angeles time's needs to look in the mirror and realize California is destroying the Colorado River and its water. Definitely doesn't make sense, especially with it being a coastal state
Apparently, they don't realize that the entire L.A. basin was once desert.
CA has enough representation in Congress to not care. Ever.
Arizona is just as guilty as California, growth is finished in Arizona
@two stop I do agree with you on everyone taking advantage of the river. But when California uses twice as much water from the colorado vs. Arizona , we dont have many options like an ocean on our doorstep and considering that river runs through AZ well before California. But like usual, it all comes down to bad management. After 36 years in Phoenix and never had issues with water, they definitely have done an amazing job in AZ
@two stop and to be honest, I don't think they would be building one of the biggest chip manufacturer TMSC in Phoenix if there were gonna be future issues
I am a inventor and have had some technology available for more than 30 years, it has only been recently that desalination of ocean water has been taken seriously, while researching the issue of what to do with the salt brine as not to create an ecological problem by putting it back in the ocean or dumping it into the ground but making useful product, I was approached by a company that had some desalination technology of their own and they were familiar with my experience in custom machine design and building for specific applications, they were unaware that I had my own desalination technology and after discussing the similarities I discovered that their system had the answer that I was looking for to address the issue of the salt brine disposal, I also realized that their system “process” would be much more efficient and effective on a large very scale so I decided to set aside the development of my own project and join the company and help bring awareness and assist in getting it used for solving the water crisis, the system can produce 800,000 AF of desalinated water per year, requires no “0”energy consumption from the grid and actually would produce excess energy 2+ GW that could be available supply to the grid and no salt brine waste, the brine is refined and processed into useful products in a totally green operation.
If you would like to know more details you may contact me anytime, I have been in contact with state and federal agencies and I am not receiving the kind of response if any on this issue of the water crisis, it would seem to me that the state and federal government would rather manage the funding in perpetual bureaucracy than actually solving the problem.
Respectfully
Mark McCoin
Great job, you guys have an amazing technology.
Ralph Anderson, well-driller and realist. Kathy... pragmatist. It's not if the Colorado River dries up, but when. It is another feat of geoengineering. Thank you very much
Another feat of geoengineering gone wrong. Who would move to the desert and then complain there is no water? Only a selfish fool.
People who don't want to suffer through the cold of a winter move to the desert but still expect the convenience of living in the north east. They act like spoiled children. And they do not care if the rest of the worlds suffers just so long as they can have a green lawn. They will destroy the world we live in if we let them.
Geoengineering makes me sick. Weather wars. Nanobots. What a mess.
The ice age is coming.
@@brianchisnell1548 whatever you're smoking I want some
But why would we geoengineer something detrimental to our well being that nature can engineer by itself and in geological terms has likely done many times over before mankind was ever a factor on this planet?
The Times should do a story about their own town. How about 250,000 people moving to Arizona a year. 90,000 of them are from California.
Pish posh! They have a nose to look down and Arizona is in their gaze.
Cali bubble will always follow Cali people. Just ask people from Idaho Wyoming Utah Arizona New Mexico
I am from Callie and Here I am
How about the LA Times does the story about the Owens valley and the water wars that went on on behalf of the growth of LA
Maybe because people are not the issue. Agriculture uses 90% of the water. For some reason none of these shows tell the truth. And there's a drought here every 30 or 40 years. In the 1940s into the 1950s we had a drought just like this.
A year and a half ago I was priced out of my home and commercial space because out of state developers bought both and raised rates by almost 100%. It brings me joy to know those same developers will lose their shirts because there won't be any water for all the properties they are developing.
unfortunately, we are the ones suffering. the developers won't, they will always have the money they need, and can get tax credits for any loses. it's always us that suffer, so don't be too joyful, the developers are going to do just fine.
There is plenty of water, entire state is covered bye 12" per year, all they need is to store it.
I'm not sure it is right to rejoice at their upcoming woes but they are due for some pain. I fear corrupt politicians will offer them unjust taxpayer subsidized golden parachutes.
@@troyb.4101 I'm an expert on nothing but how do u catch all the rain water. Isn't desert rain way more spotty too. You guys wanna like ship in water from all over the state which is like the size of 7 other states combined?
@@greggfisher7365 Simple you have sand and gravel plants along the river basins, when it rains here they collect thousands of acre feet of water. top soil, etc. It is a win win for every one. With all the construction here that sand and gravel is needed big time for concrete. Along these river basins in this state are huge deposits of needed material. Build the sand and gravel pits like open pit mines. Making sure all equipment stays out of the flooding areas.
I am certain that I join MANY others in suggesting that California, Arizona and the US Government take the time, invest the money to do the advanced research for improving current desalination processes and procedures. Yes, Cali has a few DeSal plants in place....but not nearly enough for the long-term future of those three states and the impact they have on our country's agricultural well being.
You really can't desal enough water for agriculture. It's not economical to pump river water up to Arizona, let alone desal it first.
I know we don't have a lot of rain but I think we could still have rain catchment systems for individual homes and small businesses the city could help by providing resources and discounts to individuals and small businesses. Believe it or not we do get enough rain to collect quite a bit of rainwater.
Gonna have to
Should be mandated for developers to install water capture as part of new builds. I’m sure they wouldn’t like it as it adds to the cost of construction…
@@bbustin1747 that is a great idea and honestly don't think it would end up costing them that much. They can just tack it on to the price of the house. And I think it would attract a lot of people. Particularly if it's done really nicely to where it looks good.
When I lived in Phoenix, I didn't even drink the tap water because it was so hard. I basically resorted to bottled water each week.
The water here from my sink in LV smells & tastes like sewage
Reverse osmosis systems work great.
@@jdog22c34 bet I’ll look into that thank you
@@jdog22c34 I’m a renter. It’s simply more practical to get cases of bottled water from Costco.
Bottled water is just municipal water with 1000% markup.
LOS ANGELES FOCUS on L.A. issues
Crap & 💩 flowing down the drainage to the ocean,
Random fires set by houseless
More sh*t posted by the clueless.
It’s almost like building houses in desert was a bad idea?hahaha
We live in the here and now. Texas has immense underground aquafers and also gets ample rain to replenish some of what is used. Texas also has no natural lakes, not a one. All rivers originating in Texas are spring fed. These rivers are used to create reservoirs. The Rio Grande originates in Colorado and the Trans Pecos in New Mexico. These two large rivers merge near Del Rio and create the Amistad Reservoir. The Rio Grande is at record low levels as much of that water does not make it to Texas. So, apart from the Amistad, all water used in Texas is ground water. Nature always wins eventually.
Nonsense. Texas has already emptied the aquifers in West Texas and they will never refill. West Texas is a desert.
LA Times should be more worried about California's problems. You waste more water than any other state lol
Agriculture’s water use could be cut but then what effect will that have on production.
Steve is a bot account
@@margaretames6522 part of the issue of water use by ag is the *choice of crops*, and the use of marginal land (look up Westland water district).
A move towards sustainable farming would include not growing water intensive crops in arid regions.
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@@jaysonoweh2227 and your one of the problematic fools...
Building permits should have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER been issued/approved
We are destroying our only planet and it's honestly a sad thing to see 🙈
NO it goes deeper that what you see. The government has been manipulating the weather for decades. It's called geo engineering. So ultimately, the government is responsible for our current situation. Why would they do this you ask ?? Because the end goal is total control of society. Total control of water, food, money. Just wait, you'll see......
Humans can't destroy earth. Stop being so arrogant.
@@dextermorgan4093 We do it all the time. The earliest forms of agriculture reshaped the coast of the Mediterranean due to erosion.
@@The_Ballo that’s not destroying the planet. The planet does it to itself. We and other living things adapt or die out, but earth will still be here. Personally I’m hoping for the “we die out” option. Or at least the weak, woke and wimpy die out so we can start over.
Then what are you doing here
For the good of the earth why don't you and your family go away.
it seems the more people warn that the water supply is in crisis, the more people move there in droves.....
It's almost like more and more people moving into a region with finite resources (but want to have green farms and lawns) was a really dumb idea.
They are building cheaper SFH in Casa Grande too. It is a haul to the PHX area.
In Midtown Phoenix people still flood irrigate their lawns.
We just got back from Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo Counties. So many old fashioned lawns there too.
My State of Utah is the 2nd driest and you would think you were in Virginia based on the non native plants.
The big issue though is Ag. In my State, one crop, alfalfa, uses 68% of the water.
Whether Ag, homeowners or businesses too many have not faced reality.
The irrigation in midtown Phoenix uses reclaimed grey water which then naturally filters through the ground to the water table. It’s not the problem, it’s part of the solution.
@@danieldaniels7571
In the Sonoran Desert is it wise to have all that non native turf?
@@kenhunt5153 it depends entirely on how the water used to water it is managed. In places that use grey water reclamation for it, yes, it’s very wise
@@danieldaniels7571
I think you are confusing greywater use and municipal reclaimed water.
The lawns we saw we covered with three inches of water. Hence, flood irrigation. The City of Phoenix only use reclaimed water for ground water injection and parks. Homeowners do not tap that source.
Greywater from a washer or sink would not cover an entire front yard.
Please check the City's website.
@@kenhunt5153 homeowners in parts of Phoenix most certainly do tap into that source, and it’s managed by SRP, not the city, so there’s no reason for it to be on the city website. It’s on a schedule, so if you want to use it you need to be up when it flows and open the valve, and then close it when you have enough to fill your yard. Although I rent, I live in a neighborhood on a property that uses the system.
California keeps taking more and more of that Colorado river water than any other state and wastes it. You guys need to do like they do in Arizona and have hard landscaping of artificial grass and plants that do not consume so much water
Plastic grass is not the answer but good thought.
Las Vegas is the best model for this with their water recycling program
"Arizona has a history of meeting these water challenges"
-- Sarah Porter, KYL Center For Water Policy
Suburban development is the fastest way to destroy a community
Agriculture uses 90% of the water fool
This can be solved in 1 easy step.
Shut down a lot of Golf Courses. Arizona has over 370 courses.
Currently Arizona golf courses use approximately 120,000 acre ft of water per year. Of that amount, approximately 21,000 acre ft. of water comes from the Colorado River.
1 acre ft. = 326,000 gallons. After doing the math of (21,000 x 326,000) = the golf courses in Arizona are taking 6.8 Billion gallons from the Colorado River per year.
And that's just Arizona. California has 921 golf courses, Colorado has 300 courses, Nevada has 88 courses, Utah has 140 courses, and New Mexico has 100 courses.
Let that sink in.
Source: "Kyl Center for Water Policy"
I don't get why more people don't collect rainwater instead of digging deeper and deeper wells, which is super expensive
I would assume, not enough rain but I have only visited, never lived there.
@@sintay8002 Even Turlingua, which is just north of Mexican border averages 11 inches per year in rain, and even with that amount, that would still be sufficient. You just have to have a large enough collection surface and storage capacity for it.
Rain averages don't tell the whole story. You can have a lower-than-average rain year and what do you do then? What do you suggest? Paving the Southwest to collect every drop of rainwater? Where and how are you going to store it? I lived in the Southwest for 35 years. Most of the rains we got were during the monsoon season. That was a few weeks during the summer. The rest of the year was basically dry. Your theory doesn't even begin to hold water. Pun very definitely intended.
@@Firedog-ny3cq Are you actually interested in knowing the answer to your questions, or are you just trying to argue? Because there are answers, and people successfuly survive on rainwater all the time, and even if you don't collect and store enough, you can fall back on ground water deliveries from a deep communal well (instead of using that as your primary source). Just do a search for "rainwater harvesting" to learn all about it. And it has nothing to do with paving anything, except perhaps to sink some posts into the ground to mount the rainwater collection surface.
@@Firedog-ny3cq I can tell you what the planners do when they have a wet year above the baseline: use it as the justification for approving further development.
Let’s keep bringing in millions of more people. I’m sure they’ll help with the resources.
Not to mention all the growing desert cities in California and Nevada
Nevada doubled in population and cut water use 35%. Agriculture uses 90% of the water.
It's so you can have produce all winter long.
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Interesting that an LA newspaper would comment about others water use...
Yada yada yada. CA is the problem with water use from the Colorado. California to the rest of the states: We got ours but you can’t get yours.
I have lived in Las Vagas, since I was in the 3rd grade. I am 70 now. They have been talking about conservation since then. But the Money always wins out. the county commission just keeps letting them Build and Build. there was 33K People in the Valley back when I moved here. Now we have 2.3 million people in the Valley. What kind of control is that?
There's tons of water out west. The problem is that California takes water from lake Meade and they have been caught dumping it into the ocean to create shortages multiple times.
Oh dear
Facts
You need to get your head out of your glock, bud.
Source?
No water will make all these ghost towns.
Like the dust bowl in our history.
The southwest water crisis will only become a severe issue when water is no longer available.
State, local, and individual water/rain collection was never mentioned and is not a consideration.
But, the sale of water will become big business and a taxable commodity.
What about those whose Wells have gone dry??
la times has a lot of nerve reporting on arizona - cali state law requires water districts to have a secured 20-year supply of water before issuing a 'will serve' letter for water - but socal has build tens of thousands of houses without any water supply - specifically the city of beaumont ..
This video piece was very hypocritical considering the source. It wouldn’t surprise me if California mismanages more water than anywhere else in the world despite its 40 million deep population
Nobody is saying that there is any kind of long term solution. At best I'm hearing, "we don't need to panic yet."
Can we talk about Southern California not cutting back on their water usage from the Colorado River?
This is the fault of government regulators not practicing better zoning regulations and refusing to promote any real density. They want to sell off public land and make a quick buck.
And the government just keeps letting people over here.Preservation is key .
You want the gov't to control the in and outflow of people to certain areas of the U.S.? So you want tyranny. This is the wrong country for you homie. Our tax dollars should be used to address these issues, not the implementation of tyranny.
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@@sawluke when people in mass numbers migrate to a country illegally then it’s resources will fade faster then it normally would.I’m native blood homie ,I have all the right to be here and to protect it from criminal trespassers .
@@jaysonoweh2227 I’m native,big difference .
@@MB1BUMPER Seeking asylum isn't illegal no matter how much racists try to paint it that way.
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This is a manufactured crisis to justify huge increases in residential water bills. If farmers had to pay the same rates as the residential users, the problem would be resolved immediately.
Meanwhile I’m here just bing chilling in Michigan with 5 massive bodies of fresh water. I will never understand people’s desire to go an live in a literal desert climate.
What was the outside temperature in your area on Christmas day? I have elderly relatives in the Midwest that won't leave the house for a walk now until April.
The last thing the people of Arizona needs is someone from California coming over and telling them how to use their water. If CA. had better managed their own water there would be no need to worry about anyone else. Nine years ago I was writing letters to the editor of the local newspaper suggesting partnering with CA. to build a desalination plant on the CA. coast. AZ. & CA. could share the cost & split the water. Or, to save money by not digging a pipe line to the Colorado River, let CA. keep all the water but CA. turning over their water to AZ. on the river to equal 1/2 of what the plant was producing. Fair & efficient. Of course, nothing was done by CA. or AZ. who are both to blame for this mess we are in.
All of Arizona's surrounding towns have wells that are running dry,the home owners will be left holding the bag,with a house that's worth ZERO with no water.
Palms have been greased. The developers are going to get their wish. Yet people keep believing in politicians and political parties. Money in politics could be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Covering that canal with solar panels would be a start, electricity production on already used land and less evaporation as a bonus.
Los Angeles should get its own water.
So should Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas, and every other concrete and asphalt nightmare out in the desert.
Phoenix needs to concentrate on unoccupied land lots in the inner-city instead of sprawling outwards.
So why are we letting in tons of migrants/immigrants into our country?
Much of the population growth of Phoenix was due to immigration (resulted in SB 1070) and their children. Not to mention high costs/taxes of California and the Rustbelt economy. Same with here in Las Vegas. Why not address what is causing growth instead? Why not also remove codes/policies along with a financial system that encourages this type of growth?
So the Arizona politician says running out of water is no big deal because will just simply be back to where we were in the 1970s. How nostalgic. However there will be 100 times more people depending on water access then there was back then.
There's a giant hole in the ground where everyone collectively sticks their heads regarding this issue.
@First name You're an ignorant troll.
@First name Not hard to understand. But I live in MN, next to the largest freshwater sourced on Earth. One day, AZ and CA will be begging to get some.
@First name Trying to populate a desert that has no aquifers and only one river from two states away as a main water source is just SO hard to wrap your head around am i right?
@First name I understand that it takes one gallon of water to produce one almond. Some geniuses decided long ago to turn the Cal desert into a garden. Am I at all showing the 'capacity' to understand stuff yet?
In Albuquerque, we were told for years that once the water was pumped from the aquifer, it was GONE. Well, home owners in the Albuquerque area went xeriscape big-time - almost every lawn was removed and replaced with native plants and rocks. And what do you know??? THE AQUIFER LEVEL STARTED TO RISE. Water percolates down to the aquifer and is replaced by what rain water there is. Now the RATE may be in question, but don't tell me that once the groundwater is pumped, it's gone. That's just not true.
Are Arizonans suffering from collective sunstroke on the subject of water, or what? Growing cities? It's like backing up the Titanic for another run at the iceberg.
Unfortunately, there’s money to be made with so many people moving to Arizona. And until every last drop of water is gone, developers will do whatever is takes to line their pockets. Is the state gov’t gonna do anything? NO they’re lining their pockets too!!!
“Farmers in central Arizona” is pretty much the problem in a nutshell. The days of farming the desert are over.
To me, it seems odd to be complaining about the Colorado River and the reservoirs they feed drying up and allowing the long stretch of water from the CAP to be totally exposed throughout much of it's desert range. I haven't heard ANYONE make a quote on calculations of just how much water gets wasted due to EVAPORATION! They act like they have and endless supply of water. Look at the golf courses with the big ponds of exposed water! They even put man-made water falls in places. Don't they realize that makes evaporation even worse??? Their actions never appear to coincide with their words! Just like our Federal Government and our worthless 2-faced politicians who say one thing while doing the opposite.
I do not have any at hand, but there are calculation for the loss of water from evaporation at reservoirs. Years ago they were trying to find ways to reduce evaporation from reservoirs. The most notable was the release of nearly 100 million balls into Los Angeles Reservoir in 2015.
Well said, Joe - I've been saying this for decades about the CAP. An OPEN DITCH in a desert with incredibly low RH values that increase the rate of evaporation exponentially. Golf courses - IN A DESERT??? Waterfalls - IN A DESERT??? Millions of people (with pools) - IN A DESERT???? Farms - IN A DESERT???? Jeeeeeez.
"Doomed as a Species"
Why is the LA Times covering Arizona's water supply issue when LA and Southern California have issues of their own?
Couldn't have anything to do with all that lettuce growing in Yuma. Or the dates and strawberries. Poor water management to blame more than anything else.
Not just the fruits but the grains to feed beef and chickens.
I have thought of one solution to the water shortage. Don't develop housing or other potential uses of water if there is no water available without an unlimited sustainable source.
Building huge suburban communities in the desert 🏜️ Im sure nothing can go wrong😆
And then populating them with self-centred entitlement types from Kali, Washington, NY, et al and that's a recipe for disaster.
All these people talking like this is a temporary thing. It's not a drought. It's desertification.
It's not desertification, it has always been a desert. The problem is perverse economic incentives where people either pay to have wells drilled then no future cost attached to water extraction from aquifer, or inept government central planning of water that doesn't reflect the true cost of the scarce resource.
Constant supply of water if the liquid part of the septic system is directed back into the aquifer. 😉
Unfortunately, requests for that have been denied in the past. It is just pumped into rivers after it has been run through sewage plants. For some reason, although the water is perfectly safe to drink, they do not want to pump in into aquifers. Also, insufficient as most of the water is used by farms.
80% of the Colorado River water goes to agriculture. Blaming individual people (and not the wealthy special interests using the vast majority of the water) shows how honest our news media is and who they serve.
Turns out moving a massive population into one of the least habitable biomes on earth was a bad idea. This is the outcome that should have been expected. Other poor ideas are backfilling a swamp to build a city, building a city below sea level in a coastal area, and building cities on top of/around active volcanoes. If only there were historical records of all these things leading to catastrophic ruin in the past........
They don't care, it's greed that keeps them building. Pay raises for every house built through taxes. This is insane.
It's not like this problem is new. Desalination by California would greatly help but it's a situation where the regs and lack of initiative paralyzes these Democrat states.
You're not very educated apparently.
What happed to the desalination plant in Huntington Beach? I heard that was going to create a Surplus of water that would be able to be sold to the rest of Orange County and San Diego helping improve the supply of water dramatically. Then they wouldn’t have to pull as much from the Colorado aqueduct which would help Arizona
@@Better_Car_Control What happened to the desalination plant in Huntington Beach?
The AES facility, the proposed site of the Poseidon Huntington Beach Seawater Desalination Plant was rejected in a critical vote by the California Coastal Commission (CCC) on Thursday, May 12. The highly contested project was debated for more than two decades.Jul 19, 2022
This is not a political problem. It is an intellectual problem. Which you so graciously just proved correct.
Where do we put all the salt bi-product?
I've been following hydro-politics for many years and knew the risks of buying a house in Yuma last spring. If it becomes worthless because of lack of water in the region, so be it. I'll move along.
Compared to California, the GDP of Arizona is so small that AZ doesn't have much say in anything. We get however much water California allows us to get.
Nuclear powered desalinators and pipes seem like the best way forward.
With better water management for agriculture and supplementing with desalination, this shouldn't even be a problem.
California takes 4.4 MILLION acre feet of water from the Colorado river each year! If Arizona retained all, or a large part of that water, the pressure would be reduced dramatically! When it does rain in the Los Angeles area billions and billions of gallons of fresh water washes directly out to the ocean through the storm channel system. This valuable water could/should be captured and processed which would dramatically lessen the need for imported water. As an added bonus this discarded water carries built up contaminant’s (waste, furniture, paint, pesticides and trash of every kind) from the flood channels straight Pacific Ocean! Stop blaming “climate change” on the lack of water until all of the water nature provides is properly utilized!
But at least they resolved the pollution issue of plastic straws.
@@az_exit1279 yeah, those silly politicians think they deserve a Pat on the back for that stupid piece of legislation!
So, you are proposing people drink rainwater loaded with "pesticides, waste, and trash"? This kind of thinking is why the human species is headed off the cliff of extinction. We are too stupid to survive our own lack of intelligence.
What could possibly go wrong with building cities in deserts .
Golf courses in Arizona. GENIUS
Scottish golf courses don't have this problem. It's America-style golf courses.
Possibly the farthest thing from genius... (I got the sarcasm)
@@The_Ballo AND.... it RAINS in Scotland. A lot.
@@MyDarkSide62 Yeah, it rains so much there aren't any nutrients lol
Regulators need to stop the overdevelopment. We came to Phoenix in the early 1970's, and saw how builders would eat up the desert with Cookie Cutter Homes. The saying was: "Drive until you qualify" for buyers. The center of Phoenix was 19th Avenue & Bethany Home Road. No new home building permits unless water is available for 50+ years.
woah woah lets talk about who is using most of the water (Los Angeles), lets not forget who has been practicing conservation from the start (phoenix), why does california get access to water in colorado when they have their own access to water in the north of the state...... hey fresno how is your water supply doing??? oh its so bad you have to transport water and you have sink holes because their is no water left in ground WTF..... the day pheonix has sink holes like the central valley in california is the day Im gonna believe this propoganda..... california needs to practice better more sustainabe use of water like sweeping the streets with brooms in front of shops instead of spraying water..... what a joke
Notice they say cuts not that they don't have the water
Good to know those from Los Angeles, definitely not known for sprawl in the desert (and double the size of Phoenix, land wise) and wasteful water usage, are concerned about Phoenix.... Take care of yourselves first - you have 4 times as many people.
Brought to you by the same people who tell you that mass immigration is not a problem.
We just need to live in apartments with our chronically homeless neighbors, drink urine, eat bug meat. And let's not forget to pay our reparations.
Together, we can achieve climate justice.
That's what I thought too..........concerned about Arizona while California definitely has similar problems too.
How you know the whole crew is from Cali and so what?.. journalists inform on lots of places they don't live in... plus it affects many states ... don't fear informed people
The southwest needs to plant grass to retain the water. end of story. these towns they've been building further and further out of town for the last 30 years will never be sustainable
Have you ever tried to grow grass in the desert, bub? Didn't think so. Sheesh. Where, oh where, do these ideas come from, dear Lord?
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The earth has the same amount of water it's always had.
Thank you LAT for providing us with this quality journalism!
Ask them why there not doing anything more than taking water from AZ when there next to n ocean, Desalination plants are a thing !
@@kevintunaley5079 Desalination plants use a ton of energy.
@@andyjay729 they produce a ton of salt too which could then be used for molten salt reactors