Tbh i agree with op because vore and swallowing/eating someone isnt the same. Vore is the name of the fetish, and refers to things that fit that fetish. Its the same way that bondage is different from being tied up. Its totally normal for someone in a sfw context to be tied up, but most of the time you could clearly tell the difference between that and bondage. Its a tricky subject but theres usually a difference, and i dont think non sexually eating someone should even be called vore bc vore is a sexual thing
I would say its different from tf in that way because tf (the fetish) and tf (the non sexual concept) have the same name while vore has been pretty much a sexual term
Yes. Usually an easy trait found in vore art compared to "being eaten art" is the depictions of one of the characters showing obvious signs of arousal or sexual intimacy. Most of the time you can just tell when the title or description has a vore tag somewhere.
Twitter is a terrible place to have nuanced discussions given the character limit restrictions, and that's an intended feature rather than an accidental flaw. I could probably write an essay on how the visuals of arguing and debate make having ANY attempt at productive conversation a disaster on that site, but I think the fact that people started applying completely unrelated anti-/pro- shipper terms to this unrelated argument about what qualifies certain non-explicit fetish art as NSFW speaks for itself. People need to stop being so uncharitable and terminally online.
This goes for a lot of things. Transformation, inflation, cartoon-style flattening, fatfur/weight gain related stuff, hypnosis/brainwashing, muscle growth, macro/micro/size difference/size changing, etc. I'd like to suggest using what I call "the cartoon test". If the particular depiction is something you'd expect to see in a cartoon, then it's safe. If not, then it needs more analysis. And as for people arguing that the fact that it's an independent depiction somehow makes it different, why does that matter? You can't control how people will respond to artwork, and everything is at least one person's fetish. For flying fuck's sake, there's a guy who gets off to affluent women buying wonder bread at the supermarket.
To be honest, I remember saying on one of his streams that I know a TF artist who is all SFW, and it started a small conversation saying nothing is SFW. What I meant to say is that the artist DOESN’T DO not safe for work stuff.
@@geekmin-old This is why I pointed out how everything is at least one person's fetish, and then brought up the infamous Wonderbread Guy. My point is that you can't just say "everything that's a kink for someone is NSFW" _because_ you end with the absurd conclusion that everything is NSFW by that definition. Reducto ad absurdim.
I think that people forget that NSFW literally means that it’s not to be viewed in a public place or usually by minors. I think you’re right that some vore is sfw and some can be very nsfw. I think my line is like if it could be in a kids show then it’s sfw, cuz characters being eaten definitely does happen in shows, but anything else is nsfw.
The problem is that people have different tolerances in terms of what should or shouldn't be shown in a kids show. Heck, ratings have been applied inconsistently over the years, to the point where children shows like Animaniacs made it a contest to see what crap they could get past the censors, and would often be banned by schools despite being decidedly for kids. What I wish we had was less blanket terms, and more granular tags, but as the video explores, and in my experience from previously developing taxonomy software, definitions are hard.
If it's been on cartoons (which it has via Disney and other networks) then it's fair game. Practically every "fetish/kink" has been done in cartoons for kids and not in a sexual way. Lookin at you too Totally Spies >w>
-Time to start drama about the fact that Beta can't pronounce the word "puritan".- Never mind, switching gears to start drama about the fact that "puriteen" is apparently a word that people use un-ironically.
Idk, I think a lot of the confusion about NSFW comes from how we interpret the actual acronym. Not safe for work means that if you get caught looking at this thing at work, you will probably get in trouble, or be scolded, or something. But not suitable for work means that this is something you shouldn't be looking at while at work. It doesn't necessarily mean you will get in trouble for it, but it's off task. Like all things "not safe" are also "not suitable" but not all things "not suitable" are "not safe". Idk. Does that make sense?
Trying to police what is allowed in certain spaces is necessary, but some people literally are trying to "clean up" the fandom and that always leads to being sex-negative or someone punching down at the queer community.
I feel like Vore, among other things, is in a weird place because they can be either sfw or nsfw, but where do you draw the line? Vore has been depicted in all types of media. Sometimes it's a focal point, other times not so much. Not to mention what makes vore nsfw? is it subjective, or can we objectively define the difference? I feel like this is a conversation that needs to be had because this kind of stuff has already punctuated into the common media before and will keep doing so.
@@ryderfurpaw4201 Good question. Honestly I can't be too sure because it doesn't really fall into what, in my opinion, qualifies as nsfw and yet it is treated as such.
This conversation is so ironic given the furry fandom's impression on the public in general. You would think with how some people see the entire furry community as a bunch of sexual deviants, we'd be more resistant to making that assumption about sub-sections of our own community.
I really like maws, so I got some maw shots, and one of my former friends decided for themself that I'm into vore and called me disgusting. I also have a piece of one of my characters who is canonically 4 years old (of course that means he is strictly SFW) with a full belly and some bones around him. Once they found this, they blocked me on everything, including my number. I'm not into vore at all. It kind of grosses me out, personally. But I'm not gonna judge or harass someone for their interests, especially when they hurt NOBODY.
Eh, if someone is gonna act like that then they aren't a friend, like, it's one thing to get upset if someone is openly shoving something into their face, but acting like that because the art exists and they don't get the context? Yeah nah, that's not a good friend, that's a ticking can of worms waiting to jump on you.
Okay but your lil dude with a full belly after having a good meal is so *wholesome* (ps is it a feral or is it more like...domestic?? I don't remember the word for it)
I don't meddle in drama shit. Don't have time for it. I have Twitter, but never uses it. I'm in the community, but i do keep my distance a bit from the rest of community. I'm out on the outscurts of the fandom. I'm outside the community, but is still a part of it
The word Puritan has been around for a long time so it's crazy you haven't heard that one before. Well I've heard it thrown around since I was a kid and usually it's Christian's who push it which is why they were called a Christian probably. Essentially it is as you described it, people who push for everyone to partake in nothing sexual and not be sexual. I'm an Asexual and I don't really care about NSFW. If anything learning about kinks and stuff is interesting also we can partake in kinks as well because not all are always sexually gratifying to all people.
To me, NSFW means fully explicit. I.E. "naughty bits" as the main focal point of the art piece, or "adult wrestling" going on front-and-center. Of course, there are risque pin-up style art pieces out there, or pics involving casual nudity, but I'd honestly label those as "borderline", and not outright NSFW. It boils down to which type would you be willing to have as a PC wallpaper. I'd rather have a risque pin-up of a vixen, or scantily clad tribal furs with their flaccid bits hanging out, versus an outright NSFW pic.
its not hard to differentiate, its nsfw if the intention is sexual, but the problem is some people wont admit to others or themselves that what theyre drawing is sexual for whatever reason
What I hate about the whole NSFW vs SFW thing is a question a high friend once asked. "So if my kink is hugs and cuddles. Does that make all the things you consider safe for children illegal for me or for you?" If I asked that question on the internet. The immediate answer would be my account being reported and blocked. And possibly a comment of "I don't think you are taking this seriously".
That’s a fair point, still, there is a bit of a difference in its own way there. Not knowing that such is a fetish vs knowing it is changes things in some ways for some people. But more particularly, you could argue that hugs and cuddles are normal behavior, and that getting some kind of kick out of that would still seem normal to some people too. But that’s where vore gets a little different. It’s already kind of… not normal from the outset. And a lot of furry depictions of the fetish don’t help.
What I didn't like was how it singles out vore as somehow particularly egregious when I see plenty of other kinks get a free pass because they're more popular or readily accepted in the fandom. I say either all fetishes (paws, tf, inflation, etc) get blanket labeled as NSFW or none of them do. None of this arbitrary ranking of kinks as more or less NSFW than others based on your own personal tastes.
I had 2 Guys with leather Pup Masks at my "local" Airsoft Field and i asked them "Hey Guys, are you sure you want to wear these Masks here? We have some "Minors" here today. " (on this Field you can play with 14 Years) I was not mad or something about it, but when we have a 18+ Game-Day, you can wear these Masks. After some Words, we took a Photo together, they changed their Masks and I found some new Furry Friends within the Airsoft Community XD
Personally I put it on the same level as gore. Some people like it some people don’t. It’s just in a grey area where it’s not exactly nsfw but it’s not exactly sfw.
@Nintendo Gamer Honestly what did you expect when people also have balloon, shoe, and vomit fetishes. I agree gore is nsfw though since it's jarring to some people. I personally have no problem with it. Some people are kinda wild with what they consider gore though, as in if they see a drop of blood they register it as gore.
@Nintendo Gamer when I say it’s a grey area I mean yes you should alway censor it but it’s not nsfw in the same sense as most other nsfw work. It should still be censored in a sfw environment but when posting it to a sfw art environment most servers still allow it but not most other nsfw things (if that makes sense?)
There's a huge difference between being 'sexually open/positive', and thinking that sexual ideals should be posted in places that kids can access. I get where people are trying to go with the 'it's been done in cartoons!' bit, but frankly... furries are a highly sexualized group, pretty much period. Most vore out there is pretty sexually charged. As is a fair portion of the art in the fandom in general. I mean, the main portion of our fandom is between 15 and 27 and physically male... literally the most sexually driven part of a human's lifespan, and the more sexually driven of the two genders. That much alone is just science, and says it all. Is it so hard to just tag stuff? It's called common courtesy. If for nothing else but respecting other people who might either get in trouble for NSFW stuff at work, or for the sake of respecting someone else's young kids within the fandom.
The problem with Twitter is that anything you are browsing/looking at, it will save in your recommendation tag. The tag can be viewed and edited in browser which can be tiresome. My advice, create a second account for browsing purpose. When you found the tweet you prefer, then switch to the main account to like/retweet/comment.
I had a simliar issue literally today. I posted lifejacket inflation art and one other person was like, "Oh you're posting nsfw and there are minors here." Maverick smiling in a inflated lifejacket is hardly nsfw.
@@scribblecloud This is true, but I would argue Marevick is usually inflated in a non fetishy way. He is beta's sfw sona. It's definitely a different vibe than Levi. And objectly, there's nothing inherently nsfw about a Wagon blepping in a lifejacket going *FLOOSH*
I mean, everything can be NSFW if you try hard enough, and if you're looking for it to be lewd then it's gonna be lewd. a good example is any art of paws front and center, since paws tend to be a big point in some fetish art. I personal find paws cute, like'em a lot, but not every piece of art is gonna be NSFW, some are just a cute character leaning back who happen to have shown their beans. Another example is something like nudity, we have moments where a character gets all shy because they lost their clothing, but they're totally null, as in, nothing downstairs, so they're basically a loony toons character acting out a comedy sketch. And then we have things like mawshots, paw only images, pinup images, ect, which just focus on something people normally have a lust for in their minds, and even THAT isn't NSFW unless someone is trying to make it that way. The drama is gonna continue on but we just gotta let people deal with themselves. Twitter has it's own guidelines, so unless they change then people aren't gonna have anything to say besides "This offends ME" over and over.
but people gatta stop posting nsfw in the sfw areas in general because most of people not caring about the users that scroll on Twitter (i only use Twitter to post my art there since everyone does)
Just my opinion but some responsibility has to fall into the user or viewer. If you don't feel like stuff is being separated or labeled enough for you to feel comfortable. Then you need to protect yourself and leave it move to a place that does seperate that stuff or not have it at all like you prefer.
At the end, it's about people perspective, if the creator make the art (vore, tf, etc.) SFW as intention and you view it as NSFW, that's just your perspective on viewing it as NSFW and if you don't like it, just ignore it or block. Simple as that.
Just saw this and my opinion is still that if the original tweet it started with something like "please tag your vore so I can filter it from my timeline" I would have considered a non-issue, saying all vore is NSFW really gets kinda hairy (as you discussed here). It is also an isue due to how many platforms handle things being tagged NSFW, and how extremely generic NSFW is, it is like saying "content warning" but then not specifying anything else about the content.
Honestly Twitter is the septic tank of the internet anymore. Why i stay away anymore. Also whats wrong with TF? Theres a large amount of SFW TF shit lol.
I agree with OP with regards to tagging stuff as nsfw because I take a very literal definition of that "Not Safe For Work" i.e. stuff you wouldn't want your boss or coworkers to see you looking at. Yeah that line is pretty personal still and can be rather wobbly but it's there if you need it.
I feel like if we make it to where vore is nsfw then people could then imply the same with paw stuff, macros, inflation, pool toys, tf hell even dad bods and a ton of other stuff that could be fetishes or make people a little uncomfortable because others do find that “hot”
Hell to some people all furry art is atleast a little sexual so some people could try to argue 100% of furry media should be marked nsfw. Imean if people saw any of my art or art I look at that is 1000% sfw but furry my coworkers would not be chill with it
What could be uncomfortable about an animal's paws or maws though? Some things are just nsfw and some are sfw just depends on the context. Doesnt mean their sexual though if their nsfw they just arent acceptable at work
I think I just had an epiphany. This is essentially what a lot of non-furries do in relation to furries. While the furry fandom is not all about sex, it is sex positive. There is NSFW, but it is certainly not all NSFW. A large portion of it is SFW. I just thought this was a neat connection I made and I didn’t see anyone else comment about it.
My two cents on this it depends on how the king is depicted however voor has a different issue he can technically be considered gore in the weirdest way possible of course completely depends on how you depicted it. Anyways thanks for coming to my Ted talk
I know know one asked but if you showed a 13 year old (or lower) “sfw” vore how do you think they would categorize it. Seeing people putting others inside them is a bit weird and I don’t think many people under that age want to see that
There have definitely cartoons that have characters eating each other. Heck, when I was a kid, I’m pretty sure I ended up seeing an actual vore animation, and I was just like “…OK. Weird, but alright.”
Thats actually an interesting discussion about art: When is it sexual? What defines it as such? Is it the intention of the artist? The context and platform it was posted? The "type" of artist? The presence of a "NSFW" tag? Is it the fact that this piece makes me feel weird and have mixed feelings? Does it gross me out? Does it "tingles my mingles"? When showing genitalia is considered "art" and when is it considered "depravation"? Some people are even grossed out by furry art in general coz they associate it with pornography and kink stuff, at the same time, having a piece of your ass getting destroyed by 14 werewolves, for some reason, cant be passed as "SFW"... or can it?
I think one of the biggest problems is that twitter doesnt filter shit well at all and if people dont properly tag it does make it easier for minors to see it and people who dont consent to seeing that content
i love twitter drama. and by that i mean it all happens when i'm asleep and i wake up and see the aftermath completely out of context lmao, love being australian
A) what the fuck is poodling?! B) My fiance used to be like that he just wouldnt block people, I block people indiscriminately I will block people for even just being slightly irritating lol
P.S. if you don't like vore then you don't like to eat also dont drool over your foods and drinks when your hungry or thirsty . ( This is Sarcasm if you can't figure it out)
Seems like some people just don't like the idea gray areas exist. As long as it doesn't cross morale lines, it's fine and would it really hurt to, as what was said, block/mute the tweet and move on?
I started writing a comment while watching this vid about how this guy back-peddled no kinks in sfw places and then Beta showed the tweet I was talking about.
I think this whole thing can be cycled back to being more careful of what and how you post. It's like asking 'what is art." Much of this is subjective.
It's when a fursuiter has skin exposed. So if someone has a partial fursuit and they're wearing a t-shirt which shows their bare arms, they're poodling. Most don't have a problem with it but a very small minority (maybe 1%) of people think it "ruins the magic."
As a robloxian this conversation confuses me in one hand after seeing the horrors of what furries do in their free time yes I would say vore is nsfw but in the other vore is in media like in sfw cartoons. Does this mean only art/cartoon businesses can draw sfw vore? What if child draws vore is it sfw or nsfw? What classifys as sfw vore? These are all questions that I have after reading that tweet.
1. Thank got I dumped all social media 2. Its weird bc until I was kinda deep in the fandom, I saw tf mostly as a normal SFW thing. Like you "normally" would say a vampire or werewolf tf in common media is NSFW, unless you draw a gigantic D on them but yeah that's not the tf´s fault. Meanwhile I always saw vore as NSFW, and is kinda hard for me to see it as something that could be seen as SFW. But that mainly bc of each person approach/first contact with anything. If you get introduced to something from the SFW part you could be more lenient with the line between N/SFW (like Tf for me) or the inverse, exposing at first from the NSFW/awkward side (vore for me) can make it so you see the topic as purely NSFW and hard to see it in another way.
I tried to put a comment regarding my personal experience on the subject but it appears it was deleted. So to put a bit of an addendum to what I originally said, I want to say that no, I don’t think everyone who enjoys vore is malicious or a bad person. No, I don’t think that everyone who practices enjoying it is malicious altogether. It’s just that in my personal experience, there are certain people within the fandom who abuse the “sfw” aspects of the fetish to get at people they shouldn’t. For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a line drawn. I think I’m on the same fence here but leaning towards the opposite side of things. I hope that makes sense.
Vore is not my thing. But as long as there are no genitalia or exposed nipples or "fluids" it could be SFW. Ironically we can show a snake eating its prey and even draw furry art same way and it could be SFW (not my kink for sure) Another example would be showing a character (X ray vision style) inside the belly could be SFW. Sadly many take it too far or to the violent side, showing digestion or melting (that's just nasty) cool to see in a Documentary, but not what I would want to see if I'm looking for Kinks or NSFW art. Then we have Vore variants that are straight up NSFW Vore is strange, ( literally. Not saying this in a negative way) wether it's kink art or realistic animal documentary, or even cartoonish
Don't know how related this is but I'm kinda being reminded of the guy on Sonic Tumblr who showed off his block list that had artists he thought "sexualized Sonic characters". Few things wrong with this statement. 1. Apparently drawing kisses between AGED UP Sonic characters is sexualizing them. No …? That's not how that works. Also, the art in question was art for an AU of an M rated game. 2. The guy couldn't even provide proof of his claims. He just said that the people he'd blocked were sexualizing Sonic characters and didn't provide any proof. 3. Imo, if people want to make NSFW of Sonic characters, that's their business. All I ask is that the characters are aged up, ESPECIALLY in art, which most people DO. I've come across someone who didn't age up the characters ONCE. Any other time, they explicitly stated in their bio or pinned post/tweet that the characters they drew were aged up to adults. 4. There's a difference between sexualizing characters and writing/drawing characters being sexual. Sexualizing a character is objectifying them. Drawing or writing them being sexual is not. If you look at suggestive or NSFW art of a character that doesn't put emphasis on the NSFW aspects of the art (i.e., breasts and genitals) and say "you're sexualizing/objectifying the character!" then you're the one sexualizing/objectifying the character. Because unless the art is emphasizing the NSFW aspects of itself, it's not objectifying. I wouldn't even say Greeks objectified the human body, they _admired_ it. Anyway sorry for ranting about a Sonic thing on a furry video 😅
I had drama class in high school, it was NOTHING like this
*cheesy 90s laugh track plays*
Me without a Twitter: laughs in 2050 Utopianism*
Tbh i agree with op because vore and swallowing/eating someone isnt the same. Vore is the name of the fetish, and refers to things that fit that fetish. Its the same way that bondage is different from being tied up. Its totally normal for someone in a sfw context to be tied up, but most of the time you could clearly tell the difference between that and bondage. Its a tricky subject but theres usually a difference, and i dont think non sexually eating someone should even be called vore bc vore is a sexual thing
I would say its different from tf in that way because tf (the fetish) and tf (the non sexual concept) have the same name while vore has been pretty much a sexual term
THIS
Yes. Usually an easy trait found in vore art compared to "being eaten art" is the depictions of one of the characters showing obvious signs of arousal or sexual intimacy. Most of the time you can just tell when the title or description has a vore tag somewhere.
TLDR: CIA interrogation is not bondage
Twitter is a terrible place to have nuanced discussions given the character limit restrictions, and that's an intended feature rather than an accidental flaw. I could probably write an essay on how the visuals of arguing and debate make having ANY attempt at productive conversation a disaster on that site, but I think the fact that people started applying completely unrelated anti-/pro- shipper terms to this unrelated argument about what qualifies certain non-explicit fetish art as NSFW speaks for itself. People need to stop being so uncharitable and terminally online.
This goes for a lot of things. Transformation, inflation, cartoon-style flattening, fatfur/weight gain related stuff, hypnosis/brainwashing, muscle growth, macro/micro/size difference/size changing, etc.
I'd like to suggest using what I call "the cartoon test". If the particular depiction is something you'd expect to see in a cartoon, then it's safe. If not, then it needs more analysis.
And as for people arguing that the fact that it's an independent depiction somehow makes it different, why does that matter? You can't control how people will respond to artwork, and everything is at least one person's fetish. For flying fuck's sake, there's a guy who gets off to affluent women buying wonder bread at the supermarket.
To be honest, I remember saying on one of his streams that I know a TF artist who is all SFW, and it started a small conversation saying nothing is SFW. What I meant to say is that the artist DOESN’T DO not safe for work stuff.
@@geekmin-old
This is why I pointed out how everything is at least one person's fetish, and then brought up the infamous Wonderbread Guy. My point is that you can't just say "everything that's a kink for someone is NSFW" _because_ you end with the absurd conclusion that everything is NSFW by that definition. Reducto ad absurdim.
@@VestedUTuber Yeah.
BRAINWASHING IS A THINK ON THE FURRY COMUNIRY WHAT ?
@@randomnostalgic1112
It's not actual brainwashing, it's depictions of characters being brainwashed in a cartoonish fashion.
Maverick: you were supposed to be balance to nsfw furries not join them
Levi:…
I think that people forget that NSFW literally means that it’s not to be viewed in a public place or usually by minors. I think you’re right that some vore is sfw and some can be very nsfw. I think my line is like if it could be in a kids show then it’s sfw, cuz characters being eaten definitely does happen in shows, but anything else is nsfw.
The problem is that people have different tolerances in terms of what should or shouldn't be shown in a kids show. Heck, ratings have been applied inconsistently over the years, to the point where children shows like Animaniacs made it a contest to see what crap they could get past the censors, and would often be banned by schools despite being decidedly for kids. What I wish we had was less blanket terms, and more granular tags, but as the video explores, and in my experience from previously developing taxonomy software, definitions are hard.
If it's been on cartoons (which it has via Disney and other networks) then it's fair game. Practically every "fetish/kink" has been done in cartoons for kids and not in a sexual way. Lookin at you too Totally Spies >w>
lookin at you dan schneider lmao
-Time to start drama about the fact that Beta can't pronounce the word "puritan".-
Never mind, switching gears to start drama about the fact that "puriteen" is apparently a word that people use un-ironically.
It is especially ironic given the fact that Beta is a Bostonian, a city founded by the OG Puritans.
If in two years it doesn't happen again, he gives the money to his chat as gift subs
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Idk, I think a lot of the confusion about NSFW comes from how we interpret the actual acronym. Not safe for work means that if you get caught looking at this thing at work, you will probably get in trouble, or be scolded, or something. But not suitable for work means that this is something you shouldn't be looking at while at work. It doesn't necessarily mean you will get in trouble for it, but it's off task.
Like all things "not safe" are also "not suitable" but not all things "not suitable" are "not safe".
Idk. Does that make sense?
Trying to police what is allowed in certain spaces is necessary, but some people literally are trying to "clean up" the fandom and that always leads to being sex-negative or someone punching down at the queer community.
Just make a QSFW (Questionable Safe For Work) tag and put it under that
I feel like Vore, among other things, is in a weird place because they can be either sfw or nsfw, but where do you draw the line? Vore has been depicted in all types of media. Sometimes it's a focal point, other times not so much. Not to mention what makes vore nsfw? is it subjective, or can we objectively define the difference? I feel like this is a conversation that needs to be had because this kind of stuff has already punctuated into the common media before and will keep doing so.
Is vore even inherently nsfw?
@@ryderfurpaw4201 not really
Its half and half
@@ryderfurpaw4201 Good question. Honestly I can't be too sure because it doesn't really fall into what, in my opinion, qualifies as nsfw and yet it is treated as such.
Honestly, vore is a big no no from me, *personally* I find it disgusting, so I'd rather not see it in places with SFW stuff
This conversation is so ironic given the furry fandom's impression on the public in general. You would think with how some people see the entire furry community as a bunch of sexual deviants, we'd be more resistant to making that assumption about sub-sections of our own community.
I really like maws, so I got some maw shots, and one of my former friends decided for themself that I'm into vore and called me disgusting. I also have a piece of one of my characters who is canonically 4 years old (of course that means he is strictly SFW) with a full belly and some bones around him. Once they found this, they blocked me on everything, including my number. I'm not into vore at all. It kind of grosses me out, personally. But I'm not gonna judge or harass someone for their interests, especially when they hurt NOBODY.
With the body positive art you showed, I don't think it would be seen as NSFW if it were a skinny character.
Eh, if someone is gonna act like that then they aren't a friend, like, it's one thing to get upset if someone is openly shoving something into their face, but acting like that because the art exists and they don't get the context? Yeah nah, that's not a good friend, that's a ticking can of worms waiting to jump on you.
@@Waskomsause exactly why I didn't try to reach out after I was blocked lol.
Okay but your lil dude with a full belly after having a good meal is so *wholesome* (ps is it a feral or is it more like...domestic?? I don't remember the word for it)
Two bros, chillin in each others stomachs,
Tagged as SFW cause its not yiff
I don't meddle in drama shit. Don't have time for it. I have Twitter, but never uses it. I'm in the community, but i do keep my distance a bit from the rest of community. I'm out on the outscurts of the fandom. I'm outside the community, but is still a part of it
The word Puritan has been around for a long time so it's crazy you haven't heard that one before. Well I've heard it thrown around since I was a kid and usually it's Christian's who push it which is why they were called a Christian probably.
Essentially it is as you described it, people who push for everyone to partake in nothing sexual and not be sexual.
I'm an Asexual and I don't really care about NSFW. If anything learning about kinks and stuff is interesting also we can partake in kinks as well because not all are always sexually gratifying to all people.
This is why I stay off furry Twitter…
this is why I haven't made an account on Twitter, period
@@thefunnyaerialman agreed
To me, NSFW means fully explicit. I.E. "naughty bits" as the main focal point of the art piece, or "adult wrestling" going on front-and-center.
Of course, there are risque pin-up style art pieces out there, or pics involving casual nudity, but I'd honestly label those as "borderline", and not outright NSFW. It boils down to which type would you be willing to have as a PC wallpaper. I'd rather have a risque pin-up of a vixen, or scantily clad tribal furs with their flaccid bits hanging out, versus an outright NSFW pic.
Agreed, NSFW=intended nudity/naughty bits/gore. Without that, it's not 18+, even if you would still get yelled at for looking at vore at work
The drama in this furry fandom is quite real ngl
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Honestly its more serious than the daily caleb did this drama lmao
@@theearth284 Did I just found Earth? OwO
@@steelandsteam3169 Beep :P
6:44 ayy I see winged!! My favorite furry animation creator.
its not hard to differentiate, its nsfw if the intention is sexual, but the problem is some people wont admit to others or themselves that what theyre drawing is sexual for whatever reason
What I hate about the whole NSFW vs SFW thing is a question a high friend once asked. "So if my kink is hugs and cuddles. Does that make all the things you consider safe for children illegal for me or for you?"
If I asked that question on the internet. The immediate answer would be my account being reported and blocked. And possibly a comment of "I don't think you are taking this seriously".
That’s a fair point, still, there is a bit of a difference in its own way there. Not knowing that such is a fetish vs knowing it is changes things in some ways for some people. But more particularly, you could argue that hugs and cuddles are normal behavior, and that getting some kind of kick out of that would still seem normal to some people too. But that’s where vore gets a little different. It’s already kind of… not normal from the outset. And a lot of furry depictions of the fetish don’t help.
1:55 my first experience with fur affinity forums was people attacking some dude asking a question about adult toys and I was like, "nope."
9:24 paws!
Sometimes I think twitter should shut down or make strictly rules on useless drama
Theyd just move to other socials lol
That's how Twitter makes money lol
What I didn't like was how it singles out vore as somehow particularly egregious when I see plenty of other kinks get a free pass because they're more popular or readily accepted in the fandom. I say either all fetishes (paws, tf, inflation, etc) get blanket labeled as NSFW or none of them do. None of this arbitrary ranking of kinks as more or less NSFW than others based on your own personal tastes.
Used to watch Beta streams, sadly i live in europe, and hes live at 2 am for me, vacation has just ended, wich means i cant watch them anymore sadly
Nsfw in the fandom is that one fucking thing I try to avoid..ALOT
I had 2 Guys with leather Pup Masks at my "local" Airsoft Field and i asked them "Hey Guys, are you sure you want to wear these Masks here? We have some "Minors" here today. " (on this Field you can play with 14 Years) I was not mad or something about it, but when we have a 18+ Game-Day, you can wear these Masks. After some Words, we took a Photo together, they changed their Masks and I found some new Furry Friends within the Airsoft Community XD
Personally I put it on the same level as gore. Some people like it some people don’t. It’s just in a grey area where it’s not exactly nsfw but it’s not exactly sfw.
@Nintendo Gamer Yep in the world we live in gore can be a fetish.
@Nintendo Gamer not many people do consider it such but there are a few people who like it that way -w-;
i agree. gore is considered nsfw. but i dont really think its nsfw. it should be called something else lol.
im not a fan of nsfw but i like gore
@Nintendo Gamer Honestly what did you expect when people also have balloon, shoe, and vomit fetishes. I agree gore is nsfw though since it's jarring to some people. I personally have no problem with it. Some people are kinda wild with what they consider gore though, as in if they see a drop of blood they register it as gore.
@Nintendo Gamer when I say it’s a grey area I mean yes you should alway censor it but it’s not nsfw in the same sense as most other nsfw work. It should still be censored in a sfw environment but when posting it to a sfw art environment most servers still allow it but not most other nsfw things (if that makes sense?)
There's a huge difference between being 'sexually open/positive', and thinking that sexual ideals should be posted in places that kids can access. I get where people are trying to go with the 'it's been done in cartoons!' bit, but frankly... furries are a highly sexualized group, pretty much period. Most vore out there is pretty sexually charged. As is a fair portion of the art in the fandom in general. I mean, the main portion of our fandom is between 15 and 27 and physically male... literally the most sexually driven part of a human's lifespan, and the more sexually driven of the two genders. That much alone is just science, and says it all.
Is it so hard to just tag stuff? It's called common courtesy. If for nothing else but respecting other people who might either get in trouble for NSFW stuff at work, or for the sake of respecting someone else's young kids within the fandom.
The problem with Twitter is that anything you are browsing/looking at, it will save in your recommendation tag. The tag can be viewed and edited in browser which can be tiresome. My advice, create a second account for browsing purpose. When you found the tweet you prefer, then switch to the main account to like/retweet/comment.
I had a simliar issue literally today. I posted lifejacket inflation art and one other person was like, "Oh you're posting nsfw and there are minors here." Maverick smiling in a inflated lifejacket is hardly nsfw.
but inflation is literally the name of the fetish
@@scribblecloud This is true, but I would argue Marevick is usually inflated in a non fetishy way. He is beta's sfw sona. It's definitely a different vibe than Levi. And objectly, there's nothing inherently nsfw about a Wagon blepping in a lifejacket going *FLOOSH*
@@leothepuma4915 well yeah sure but i wouldnt call that ''inflation art'' then
@@scribblecloud I agree, though technically I'd say it's inflation art, but wouldn't primarily define it that way.
I mean, everything can be NSFW if you try hard enough, and if you're looking for it to be lewd then it's gonna be lewd. a good example is any art of paws front and center, since paws tend to be a big point in some fetish art. I personal find paws cute, like'em a lot, but not every piece of art is gonna be NSFW, some are just a cute character leaning back who happen to have shown their beans. Another example is something like nudity, we have moments where a character gets all shy because they lost their clothing, but they're totally null, as in, nothing downstairs, so they're basically a loony toons character acting out a comedy sketch. And then we have things like mawshots, paw only images, pinup images, ect, which just focus on something people normally have a lust for in their minds, and even THAT isn't NSFW unless someone is trying to make it that way. The drama is gonna continue on but we just gotta let people deal with themselves. Twitter has it's own guidelines, so unless they change then people aren't gonna have anything to say besides "This offends ME" over and over.
Anyone else get an ad that says "I tried a furry dating site?" also my recommended is so cursed
but people gatta stop posting nsfw in the sfw areas in general because most of people not caring about the users that scroll on Twitter (i only use Twitter to post my art there since everyone does)
Just my opinion but some responsibility has to fall into the user or viewer. If you don't feel like stuff is being separated or labeled enough for you to feel comfortable. Then you need to protect yourself and leave it move to a place that does seperate that stuff or not have it at all like you prefer.
At the end, it's about people perspective, if the creator make the art (vore, tf, etc.) SFW as intention and you view it as NSFW, that's just your perspective on viewing it as NSFW and if you don't like it, just ignore it or block. Simple as that.
The truth is the game was rigged from the start
i don't have twitter and my life is still hell
There's always drama in the furry fandom
No shit, I get the same experience against that
I see many people's notifs are working.
Good job youtube
Just saw this and my opinion is still that if the original tweet it started with something like "please tag your vore so I can filter it from my timeline" I would have considered a non-issue, saying all vore is NSFW really gets kinda hairy (as you discussed here). It is also an isue due to how many platforms handle things being tagged NSFW, and how extremely generic NSFW is, it is like saying "content warning" but then not specifying anything else about the content.
Honestly Twitter is the septic tank of the internet anymore. Why i stay away anymore. Also whats wrong with TF? Theres a large amount of SFW TF shit lol.
rut roh drama's always a doozy qwq
I agree with OP with regards to tagging stuff as nsfw because I take a very literal definition of that "Not Safe For Work" i.e. stuff you wouldn't want your boss or coworkers to see you looking at. Yeah that line is pretty personal still and can be rather wobbly but it's there if you need it.
8:32 "UwU block me daddy"
*message disappears*
Can agree on the tweet of atleast keeping vore in NSFW. If it is questionable its better to just tag it nsfw
i just noticed the count for the amorous video and i got flashbacks.. of playing the entire game... i was in a dark place..
I feel like if we make it to where vore is nsfw then people could then imply the same with paw stuff, macros, inflation, pool toys, tf hell even dad bods and a ton of other stuff that could be fetishes or make people a little uncomfortable because others do find that “hot”
Hell to some people all furry art is atleast a little sexual so some people could try to argue 100% of furry media should be marked nsfw. Imean if people saw any of my art or art I look at that is 1000% sfw but furry my coworkers would not be chill with it
What could be uncomfortable about an animal's paws or maws though? Some things are just nsfw and some are sfw just depends on the context. Doesnt mean their sexual though if their nsfw they just arent acceptable at work
I think the request truly boils down to: Tag your art properly
Oooooo, a 20 min video
Beta, feeling spicy today?
I think I just had an epiphany. This is essentially what a lot of non-furries do in relation to furries. While the furry fandom is not all about sex, it is sex positive. There is NSFW, but it is certainly not all NSFW. A large portion of it is SFW. I just thought this was a neat connection I made and I didn’t see anyone else comment about it.
8:31 Someone put “Block me Daddy” in chat and they got banned XD
this gives off ted talk vibes😂 love it
I will never understand vore
I mean..... my brother played tribal hunter and he finished the game without even noticing that vore is a fetish
My two cents on this it depends on how the king is depicted however voor has a different issue he can technically be considered gore in the weirdest way possible of course completely depends on how you depicted it. Anyways thanks for coming to my Ted talk
I know know one asked but if you showed a 13 year old (or lower) “sfw” vore how do you think they would categorize it. Seeing people putting others inside them is a bit weird and I don’t think many people under that age want to see that
There have definitely cartoons that have characters eating each other. Heck, when I was a kid, I’m pretty sure I ended up seeing an actual vore animation, and I was just like “…OK. Weird, but alright.”
When I was 11-13 I just thought it was interesting. Same with TF.
Me:Googling poodling
Also me:(just commissioned a partial)shit
the reason people dont just ''block and move on'' is because they shouldnt _have_ to
Thats actually an interesting discussion about art: When is it sexual? What defines it as such? Is it the intention of the artist? The context and platform it was posted? The "type" of artist? The presence of a "NSFW" tag? Is it the fact that this piece makes me feel weird and have mixed feelings? Does it gross me out? Does it "tingles my mingles"? When showing genitalia is considered "art" and when is it considered "depravation"? Some people are even grossed out by furry art in general coz they associate it with pornography and kink stuff, at the same time, having a piece of your ass getting destroyed by 14 werewolves, for some reason, cant be passed as "SFW"... or can it?
I think one of the biggest problems is that twitter doesnt filter shit well at all and if people dont properly tag it does make it easier for minors to see it and people who dont consent to seeing that content
i love twitter drama. and by that i mean it all happens when i'm asleep and i wake up and see the aftermath completely out of context lmao, love being australian
A) what the fuck is poodling?! B) My fiance used to be like that he just wouldnt block people, I block people indiscriminately I will block people for even just being slightly irritating lol
Good message and all but, did I see Wingedwolf94 replying to the person Beta was talking about?
South Park did an example in the Internet Trolls episodes and show it like a snowball down hill effect
P.S. if you don't like vore then you don't like to eat also dont drool over your foods and drinks when your hungry or thirsty . ( This is Sarcasm if you can't figure it out)
Seems like some people just don't like the idea gray areas exist. As long as it doesn't cross morale lines, it's fine and would it really hurt to, as what was said, block/mute the tweet and move on?
I started writing a comment while watching this vid about how this guy back-peddled no kinks in sfw places and then Beta showed the tweet I was talking about.
The drama in any community ends up being overly repetitive
I get a furry mate ad on a video about furry drama. Coincedence? I think not. :3
I was scrolling through RUclips and saw this.. I could only think: what happened? oh god
wait do people actually get upset for that kind of stuff ? wtf I think im gonna stay away from twitter a bit longer then
I don't know why Twitter have very VERY NSFW .-.
I draw NSFW too but Is strange :b
I think this whole thing can be cycled back to being more careful of what and how you post. It's like asking 'what is art." Much of this is subjective.
After watching Bolt's response I think we should switch to using the term NSFM (Not Safe For Minors)
Does anybody have a problem with the out of sync audio
Even if things are often sexual that doesn’t make all of it sexual.
Next moment you'll find people calling Kira Yoshikage too Nsfw and Killer Queen spicy.
Help.
Killer queen?? Epic song
Furries on Twitter: Blah blah Twitter drama
Meanwhile, me: What's a good scholarly article on gaming in education for my college essay?
The heck is Poodling? My twitter doesn't even have all that issues shown really.
It's when a fursuiter has skin exposed. So if someone has a partial fursuit and they're wearing a t-shirt which shows their bare arms, they're poodling. Most don't have a problem with it but a very small minority (maybe 1%) of people think it "ruins the magic."
It depends on context if something is sfw or not, and common sense(actual smashing, exposed genitals, etc)
They heard that word the 16 and 17 centuries!
drama keeps repeating itself? Ya dont say! Sounds like 'murica too.
As a robloxian this conversation confuses me in one hand after seeing the horrors of what furries do in their free time yes I would say vore is nsfw but in the other vore is in media like in sfw cartoons. Does this mean only art/cartoon businesses can draw sfw vore? What if child draws vore is it sfw or nsfw? What classifys as sfw vore? These are all questions that I have after reading that tweet.
How the hell did I end up here?! Lol definitely different
Puriteens...
Pureiteens...
They sound like the type of people that think that violent video games are bad for children...
1. Thank got I dumped all social media
2. Its weird bc until I was kinda deep in the fandom, I saw tf mostly as a normal SFW thing. Like you "normally" would say a vampire or werewolf tf in common media is NSFW, unless you draw a gigantic D on them but yeah that's not the tf´s fault. Meanwhile I always saw vore as NSFW, and is kinda hard for me to see it as something that could be seen as SFW. But that mainly bc of each person approach/first contact with anything. If you get introduced to something from the SFW part you could be more lenient with the line between N/SFW (like Tf for me) or the inverse, exposing at first from the NSFW/awkward side (vore for me) can make it so you see the topic as purely NSFW and hard to see it in another way.
Twitter is so bad. It's why I follow less people and blacklist a lot of words. IMO if the character is not nude then it's sfw.
i love how ''UwU block me daddy''' got deleted lmao
"Vore is nsfw"
*Laughs in Yoshi*
I tried to put a comment regarding my personal experience on the subject but it appears it was deleted. So to put a bit of an addendum to what I originally said, I want to say that no, I don’t think everyone who enjoys vore is malicious or a bad person. No, I don’t think that everyone who practices enjoying it is malicious altogether. It’s just that in my personal experience, there are certain people within the fandom who abuse the “sfw” aspects of the fetish to get at people they shouldn’t. For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a line drawn. I think I’m on the same fence here but leaning towards the opposite side of things. I hope that makes sense.
Vore is not my thing.
But as long as there are no genitalia or exposed nipples or "fluids" it could be SFW. Ironically we can show a snake eating its prey and even draw furry art same way and it could be SFW (not my kink for sure)
Another example would be showing a character (X ray vision style) inside the belly could be SFW. Sadly many take it too far or to the violent side, showing digestion or melting (that's just nasty) cool to see in a Documentary, but not what I would want to see if I'm looking for Kinks or NSFW art.
Then we have Vore variants that are straight up NSFW
Vore is strange, ( literally. Not saying this in a negative way) wether it's kink art or realistic animal documentary, or even cartoonish
Looks at the title:
me: oh no this can't be good
Lol I get a furry dating ad as soon as I click on this video
youtube is drunk again 35 likes no views
I had to Google what pooling meant XD
I don’t know if I’m really a furrie or not .how do I know if I might be a furry???
It's a fandom, not a race. You choose whether you're a furry or not. :/
Don't know how related this is but I'm kinda being reminded of the guy on Sonic Tumblr who showed off his block list that had artists he thought "sexualized Sonic characters". Few things wrong with this statement.
1. Apparently drawing kisses between AGED UP Sonic characters is sexualizing them. No …? That's not how that works. Also, the art in question was art for an AU of an M rated game.
2. The guy couldn't even provide proof of his claims. He just said that the people he'd blocked were sexualizing Sonic characters and didn't provide any proof.
3. Imo, if people want to make NSFW of Sonic characters, that's their business. All I ask is that the characters are aged up, ESPECIALLY in art, which most people DO. I've come across someone who didn't age up the characters ONCE. Any other time, they explicitly stated in their bio or pinned post/tweet that the characters they drew were aged up to adults.
4. There's a difference between sexualizing characters and writing/drawing characters being sexual. Sexualizing a character is objectifying them. Drawing or writing them being sexual is not. If you look at suggestive or NSFW art of a character that doesn't put emphasis on the NSFW aspects of the art (i.e., breasts and genitals) and say "you're sexualizing/objectifying the character!" then you're the one sexualizing/objectifying the character. Because unless the art is emphasizing the NSFW aspects of itself, it's not objectifying. I wouldn't even say Greeks objectified the human body, they _admired_ it.
Anyway sorry for ranting about a Sonic thing on a furry video 😅