So let's go ahead and address the following points: - At 4:15, I called this an ethernet connection because that's what you do after talking about routers before filming. It's a USB Type-B. The port that I referred to as the USB input is actually an HDMI input. We all have off days. Mine was on camera. Life goes on.. - I didn't mention DAC performance because I'm straight up not a fan of the ESS sound. If you like clean, clear, slightly thin sound with big imaging, then you'll love it. End of DAC assessment. - This review is focused on the stack. Not just the amps or the pre-amp. I know some people would love three reviews in one, but there isn't enough time to get that done. - And lastly, I realize there are endless components that could be used in the comparison. I went with the one that I felt was most relevant and interesting, even if it put the focus more on the amps than on the PS stack as a whole.
Dude...please...I caught the mistake and could care less. I'm sure the folks at PS Audio will feel the same way. You verified what I suspected audio wise. Please see my comments and check out my lame ass RUclips Channel. I'm still working on a Video to clearly explain and demonstrate my Bose Series 2 Equalizer. Keep up the Great Work Sean !!!
@@johnsweda2999 I2S Audio for up to 11.2MHz DSD over PCM playback. Both Sonore (ultraDigital i2s converter) and Matrix (X-SPDIF 2) make USB to I2S convertors that are made specific for I2S compatible DAC's.
Sean at Zero Fidelity IS the Audio Jedi! Another stellar (pun intended) review, with no holds barred truth! Really appreciate your take and hope more manufacturers get on board with the actual review process. Everyone wins..simple. Thanks for another great review Sean!
Sean, I continue to marvel at your work ethic. This makes 8 reviews in 7 weeks. Great job. This is definitely the best audiophile review site online that I have seen.
Tell it like it is and call it as you see it! That is what I like about your reviews. Cut no ice and give no slack! Whether anyone else sees the set up as you do is clearly another matter. You give your perceptions and it is up to each individual to determine their own opinion. You are a guidepost for the undecided and here is where they must determine for themselves what is important. For those less experienced, you give them a tour to help them make a decision based on your findings. It is still up to the individual what is important. Really good review Sean! Always honest!
Ditto what Tim said - I love my pair of M700's. I got mine used and saved 40% so the value to performance ratio was a bit better. I have mine paired with a Cary Audio SL-100. Between the two, the separation is amazing - but the biggest difference between this and my old system is that it is like I gained a speaker. The midrange sound stage was really brought out and put front and center. There are so many recordings that I can close my eyes and really feel the singer is right there in front of me. I can't wait to get my Tekton Double Impacts that I ordered yesterday thanks to your review Sean.
@@roig8578 They sound very good. Honestly, you don't need that much power as the Tekons are very efficient. I have since moved on from my M700 and have gone to a tube amplifier. For my tastes, it was the right move as I was looking for some more warmth in the mids, but the M700 are still very good and more neutral with the Tekons, which can be arguably better.
I have the NuWave DSD Dac and I can tell you that Ps Audio is currently producing relatively affordable components that pull well above their weight in terms of sound quality and build. Thanks for the review of the 'stack.' These puppies are definitely on my short wish list....
I bought one of PS Audio's first products, the Phono Preamp. In fact I bought it back when Mike Moffat of Schiit Audio fame was working at the stereo shop in Santa Ana, CA and he's the one who rang it up. This was in the '70s and that phono preamp is still going strong and amazing people with it's capabilities. A few years later I bought a PS Audio Elite Plus Integrated amp, and guess what? It's still going strong and still amazing people (although with a new owner. Had to sell it a couple years ago to pay bills but the new owner is a friend so he keeps me up to date on how much he loves it.).
I do have a preference for the Hypex based Class D amps, but when you consider the overall sound quality and power, pretty much all of the Class D offerings are amazing. People forget that we are talking about several hundred watts of power per channel, over 90% efficiency, and near zero heat. I run my Nord Class D monoblocks during the hot summer months and my Primaluna tube amp during the rest of the year. The Nords are not embarrassed by a direct comparison to the tubes.
But there are fidelity tradeoffs. I have a problem with what's under the hood and the price being asked for it. You can buy this level of quality from dozens of manufacturers for under $500 all day long.
Thanks for a great review of the PS Audio Stellar stack! There are so few reviews out there. You answered all my questions and reinforced that I need to save more $$$ and get better equipment.
I'm working on one but my site is NOT a review channel. There of plenty of knowledgeable folks like Sean, Steve, & Dan who do that and better than I ever could.
paul gabriel Ardelean Steve G did a review on CNET a couple of years ago on the GC DAC and the S300 stereo amp; he liked the amp but preferred the Mytek Brooklyn preamp/DAC instead.
And as always with PS AUDIO you can audition at home with a no hassle return policy. PS AUDIO is not cheap but it’s pretty serious stuff! I’d love to grab their SACD transport $7k is a little above my capabilities at the moment. Really good review though and pretty spot on! 👍🏻 These guys are a class company all the way
Great job Sean I do appreciate your hard work I know it takes a lot to do an in depth review , hopefully one day I can get to the point where I can get audio sent to me by Audio companies for my channel i'm going broke , I been an audiophile enthusiast since 1988 at 13 years old and music/audio has been my exhaust/therapy since losing my mom on Xmas , So I started my audio channel to tune in and tune out and i must say it's helped round the edges off a lil bit thanks again Sean learned a lot from you
Thanks man. It's always good to have a healthy outlet. Truth be told, there isn't much money in riffing about Hi-Fi on YT unless you treat this like a bonafide business and you're prepared to bust your butt on a daily basis. Keep doing what you're doing, provide value, and eventually companies will become more than happy to send gear your way. :) You are always welcome to reach out if you have any questions or would simply like to have someone to bounce thoughts off of. As for your mom: I truly am sorry to hear that. I've yet to lose a parent, but my mothers health isn't the best. Keep listening, sharing your thoughts, and enjoying the music!
I am now a Subscriber. That's the other cool about the Audio/Video community n RUclips. Using each others pages to increase interest is what it's all about.
The real star of the show is the stellar dac preamp. For the price, it is fantastic. It makes Redbook cds sound almost as good as sacds through my Marantz 8000 series cd player.
Interesting that the DAC and preamp measured so horribly yet there are rave reviews from many sources including here on RUclips, and also interesting that the audiosciencereview folks don’t often listen to what they test. If you loved the GCD before seeing the ASR review and now hate it after, YOU’VE changed, not the GCD.
Love the aesthetics, the minimalist look. You have to love all that power coming from those slim chassis. Great back panel layout on the preamplifier. Thanks for another great video man!
Well, I guess I fully redact my comment then. Obviously someone else's opinion matters so much more. Sorry I offended you so much that you had to post on a random RUclips comment praising these amps. I hope you're able to sleep at night.
@@beitie What? I simply don't care for this pair. I consider them to be very overpriced from a price/performance standpoint. The amp in particular. It is equaled by at least two $250 amplifiers I can name. It's significant. B&O products are typically timeless, masterpieces of industrial engineering. Their 1970s audio gear still looks fresh and modern and even awe-inspiring today. The PS products here are not unattractive to me. But they are basic and simple and not in B&O's league. To equate them as such is to undeservedly elevate these products and diminish the usual B&O timeless, always in style, albeit expensive beauty. Not offended at all. Your opinions are as legit as mine.
Yeah , bang and olufsen might not have been the last word in sound . But they were beautiful and built with very high quality and forward thinking designs 30 years ahead of thier time
Thanks Sean , Great review . I've been following Paul forever and watch him every day. I'm ready for power and have almost pulled the trigger several times on the stack. For what I'm doing I think it's gonna perfect. Wanna finish my stereo projects and enjoy them and move on to other hobbies and interests. . Happy 4th dude.✌️
I am using the same stack, with Linton's 85Th anniversary edition and they sound absolutely amazing. almost tube like, and amazing highs, mids and lows.
I love my pair of M700’s, they drive both my Magnepan’s and Zu’s, such disparate speakers, with ease, but I use a Schiit Freya preamp and Yggdrasil DAC. In my opinion, it’s a killer combo.
Tim Bathras, Let’s start a club Tim! I too am a ZU owner and am now a part of the Maggie family. It’s so fun going back and forth between the two systems. I have had my ZU’s for 1.5 years and my Maggie LRS’s for about a month. They are currently not hooked up because I sold my amp that was trying to power them but it just wasn’t working. So I have a DAC Stereo Maraschino coming in next week! I almost went with PS Audio but ultimately decided on the Maraschino. So you really like the Freya huh? I am thinking about going that route as well. I want to hear more opinions on the SS Freya. My amp and DAC is all balanced XLR so I want to keep that chain intact or I would just go with the Saga, which is also another “Stellar” product from Schiit. I know, I owned one for about 6 months.
Jeff Adams, I love the tube Freya, it’s totally worth it. The new Freya + you can disable and shutoff the tubes, so you can switch between both worlds so to speak. I have the Maggie 1.7i’s and the Zu Omen DWs and I love having the options.
Another very good, honest review. Thank you Sean! My main issue with PS Audio is that they make unattractive equipment. Blah. Plain. They look like a computer from Acer from the '90's. I don't know why they choose to make all their equipment look so unappealing. I know it's not necessarily fair to pick on cosmetic appeal. But, damn. Anyway, that is nothing you or I control. Thanks for the video, and I am glad to get your take on these pieces. You rock!
I consider PS Audio equal or better than McIntosh without the bling. Personally, I listen while the light's are low or during the day with the curtains open. I'm not into shiny object's and can't afford them anyways...LOL. The engine builder's analogy, "Chrome don't getch'ya home" is also true in Audiolandia.
so true. I got s300 in black for my desktop, but wouldn't get anyhing else from ps audio for my living room. Design is so bad, especially those screens on their power plants.
Hi Sean, thank you for this review! You had indicated previously that you might not do that comparison, but I'm so glad you did! I think a lot of people will find this review useful -- I certainly did! I ended up splurging on M700s to replace an old (but impressive) Krell amp (KSA series.) I sacrificed a bit of bass slam for better resolution, imaging, "air," and a lower noise floor... and of course a lot less heat generation! I am very happy with the pair, especially when saving some $$ by purchasing used or finding a dealer with a discount. :)
Awesome comparison. You know sean, the comparison really really really makes the product you are reviewing very much more "relatable", I mean "I get it." Well as you said, 3K vs 1.3K, well, that's a big difference. Just to add, with the iFiTube 2 as my Preamp, the Zonemaster is transformed. First time I heard it, I said "Wow...." So much good useable info in 15 mins, you are No1 in this domain. Well, it would been 10 mins or less, if you skip the Intro about the history, what perf envelope it was aiming for, it would be just like... Yeah Bruce Lee! Quick-efficient punches that KOs, rather than flowery movements that just looks good, but no KO.
I have not heard this stack yet - neither the gain cell dac nor the amps. But what you describe sounds uncannily familiar to my Pioneer AVR SC-LX87 (Elite SC-79 in USA) of 2013 vintage. It is Class D and has ESS Sabre 9016 chip. 😁 Detailed, warm, dynamic, spacious, and muscular presentation but equally refined for 2 channel stereo music too which is what I use it for more than 80% of the time! I love this AVR.
Yes but don't confuse high power with high speed. Transient response is what is important. That requires 20MHz Ft output transistors at a minimum and a very low Z, high current supply in a conventional design. Where most home Class D amps fall far short presently is with the design of the detrimental, phasey, speed and damping killing output filters. PSA and a handful of others have made good filter design a priority in some of their class D designs. I'm not sure about this model. It looks a little thin to contain the required large core/AWG inductors, although they could be mounted horizontally. The pro sound builders are light years ahead of the home audio crowd in this regard.
I’ve been living with the same stack (in black) that’s reviewed here for 6 months and if someone slapped a Class A or AB sticker on it, you wouldn’t know it. I don’t care how much of a “Golden Ear” you are. There is a Class JFET input stage BEFORE the ICE amplifier. All the B.S. against Class D is because those Audiofools are listening to the specification sheet and not the amplifier that the designers intended. Class D is the new AB so to speak. How it’s implemented is the key to phenomenal sound. I could have ordered ICE Amps from Parts Express and integrated it into my highly customized Bose 901 Series 2 EQ and about $2k but I didn’t. The amplifier simply takes the “Analog Cell” signature sound and doesn’t add or subtract anything to it as any good amplifier should do. There is NO SWITCHING NOISE or high frequency beat signals or Class D sound. I’m not into Tubes, did Class AB many many times, and can’t afford a high power Class A Amplifier (I wish). I don’t do Vinyl anymore, and own several Bose 901 Series 1 & 2 Speakers which my Stellar Stack drives with incredible highs, sweet mids, and deep bass. My 901’s are setup so that the sweet spot does not fool you with the “direct reflecting” stereo everywhere sound. Center imaging is locked in the middle as it should be and my speakers do disappear.
The M700 is a scam! Made from dual Icepower 700AS1 modules, which you can buy online for 270$ a piece. These are good amps, but not worth this price tag
Barry D'Souza , what Maggie’s and what are you driving them with? I have the new LRS’s and have an amp coming in from The Digital Amplifier Company, the Stereo Maraschino. I am going to give that a try and see what happens.
@@jeffadams9699 Coincidentally, I too was testing my new LRS's last night. Initially drove them with Emotiva XPA-1L monoblocks in Class-A mode and they sounded sublime! But then Sean's review hit my notification bar and his Sprout100 reference got me curious, so I decided to go where no man has gone before - drive the Maggie's with a relatively low power, Class-D, budget amp, and boy was I surprised! The Sprout100 drove the Maggie's with ease! Don't get me wrong, the sound signature did change from what I was hearing with the monoblocks; it thinned out a wee bit, became slightly more 'grainy/harsh', with some loss in imaging & detail, and bass response dropped significantly (though the Sprout's built in optional bass boost compensated well), but never did the little switching amp seem to struggle with the LRS's. I was quite impressed by what it could do (exceeded my expectations for the size/price) and it only increased my curiosity about these types of combos. Might have to connect my Peachtree Nova next to see how it compares. Don't think you'll have any issues driving the LRS's with the Maraschino based on what I heard last night, especially if you're getting the King version. You'll have to let us know the results once it comes in... Disclaimer - Notes on the Sprout100 above are based on very limited listening.
Barry D'Souza , NICE! I have had my eye on that little Sprout 100 for a minute. And Tommy, the designer and owner of DAC, has talked to me quite a bit. He is an awesome guy and he just LOVES music! And making it sound spectacular. He has given me lessons on amps and it’s so much more than just the watts. He said the way his Maraschino is designed, the LRS’s will be easy to drive in 48v version. Pitch black background, 0 noise. And so on. I am getting his DAC, DAC too. From everything I have read, his amps are pretty special. I am also going to try it on my ZU’s to see how it sounds. Are you a member of Audiokarma or Audiocircle? Go to Audiocircle, that’s where a lot of information is on DAC. Do you have your Maggie’s in an open room?
@@jeffadams9699 Thanks for sharing - I just looked at their DAC's and I'm very intrigued. I was considering the Denafrips offerings for my next upgrade, but I think I'll give these guys a serious look now. I also think the Maraschino will pair well with Zu's. We've all heard the talk about Zu's playing well with low power SET's etc., but my own experience has been the opposite: My Zu's come ALIVE when driven by high power, quality Class D amps (sounds beautiful with my Nova220SE). To answer your other questions....The new Maggie's are in a dedicated open(ish) listening room, several feet from any walls/gear, so lots of space to breathe and sound their best; they are VERY placement sensitive. As for forums, I'm a longtime lurker on several, but not too active. Might have to remedy this soon... Cheers!
Very good review. I was going to pull the trigger on the M700's in black. However once I heard the Parasound A2+, I found it to be more enjoyable sound with more meat on the bones.
Only 2 things are inside the amp: ICE amp module with power supply is 3" x 5" and costs $200, the PS Audio input buffer costs $15. Huge profit margin. Good bass tho
@@CyberBeep_kenshi If that sounds like a good deal to you, then no. It's not a good deal to me you are paying for the cabinet. Hypex NCx500 amps are better in every way and cost a little less.
A very nice and accurate review. Yeah ... it definitely does not sound like a tube for sure. I’ve always been keen on the Stellar DAC and the S300. I tested the pair and yeah, they sound good. Not perfect but they just nice.
Sean, you should consider a class D follow up by reviewing one of the Peachtree Nova amps. It would be nice to know if there is any difference between proprietary “reasonably priced“ integrated Class D amps.
@Larry Niles There's so much mysticism in the audio world it's insane. I list SINAD because it's a primary measurement of how transparent an amp is. I am talking for reference systems. If you don't like low noise and distortion that's fine.
Chris Rogers DACs have one major requirement for accurate sound and that's a proper filter. unfortunately yours fails this. I suggest you lean what makes a proper dac. many people are lead away from very good gear by your methods as well as most human ears are crap. You mention people in their basements while disregarding that one piece of equipment is over 20k. If you like your sound more power too you but don't pull ignorance into this. I quite like the sound of tenor separates but that doesn't mean they are perfectly accurate.
Thanks for another great, honest and to the point review! I came real close to purchasing the S300 for my new Maggie’s but went a different direction with another Class D option. The Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino. Heard and read great stuff about his amps. Should be here next week!
Really awesome review! Love the comparison at the end too. PS audio has peaked my interest and recently watched a youtube video discussion with Jay and others comparing the sound experience between the PS Audio Stellar and Parasound A23/P6. I think I'm leaning towards the Parasound A23/P6 separates as I like that warmer/smoother sound. And would be pairing it with the B&W 603 towers or Paradigm 800f tower speakers. So I think the Parasound would be a great match and take the edge off the brightness I little from these two speakers. Sean or anyone here, do think I'll notice a significant difference by going with the Parasound A23/P6 separates over the Parasound Halo Hint 6? Thanks again and love your channel Sean!! Fun and honest reviews!!
Thanks! I was wondering if you or Ron or Steve were ever going to get around to reviewing anything by PS Audio - specifically these M700s. What a treat!
Please, please, please, review the Anthem STR integrated amplifier. If you can. I'd love to see your thoughts. I'm going to purchase the Maggie.7 which I've heard @ audio perfection in mpls. In theory i think the anthem should fit perfectly. Also, will be adding the Maggie bass mod. A side from all that. I totally appreciate what you're doing here. You and steve are my absolute favorite.
There is an excellent, super detailed, complete measurements review of the STR on utube. It is the best integrated amplifier available presently in my opinion. Priced reasonably too.
I have the M700s and a McIntosh C2300 Pre as far as speakers go Wharfedale Linton 85th anniversary or the Wharfedale Denton 85th with a sub get my vote.
I just heard you say you're going to transition away from Audio Reviews--and you described how much work is involved. It must suck. I hope you still find inspiration in the music. This is a good review of the M700s. I am less than a week into my audition of them. So far, the best thing about them is how well they play a low levels. I haven't had an amplifier that gave such a full and musical presentation at low (early morning or late evening) levels--and that's a big plus in my home! As they and I break in (some say 300 hrs!), I am hearing clarity and spaciousness at all volume levels. The bass is tight so far, but not yet as deep as my past amps.The M700s seem to be a good fit with my Polk R500s and Def Tech ProSub 800s. I have a lot of headroom at the moment and the musicality is strong: vocal harmonies (GD's HD remaster of "Attics of My Life") are full and rich. Rosa Passos's voice is so sweet and pure, especially on the Chesky Records release with the full and musically satisfying bass of Ron Carter at her side. I am a little disappointed that Zappa's feedback-charged guitar on "The Black Page (New Age Version)" doesn't sparkle and dominate the soundstage as a live 3D image the way it did with my Vandersteen 2CEs with a Bryston 3B. That was special-effects quality live sound, and I miss it. However, that has been missing, more or less, since I had to downsize to the Polks. On the other hand, the horns from Make a Jazz Noise Here sound much better, much more musical and more balanced with the guitar presentation. It is a different listening experience: more good than bad, ultimately. And finally, so far, some old low-fi cuts actually sound better with the M700s than I have heard with any of my amps: the Loud, Fast and Out of Control compilation of 50s rockers sounds great! The M700s preserve the grit with really clear vocals that make these records scream! (And the less than great sounding (for me) Roadcase releases from Wilco are drastically improved with the boosted midrange of the M700s. It is a big improvement for me.) So far, the M700s are promising. If, as they break in, they flesh out a bit with the bass--as the S300 did in the second week of heavy play--then they'll be keepers. Thanks for your review and I hope you enjoy the music more however it is reproduced!
That's interesting how the input stage totally changes the sound signature of the amps you compare. The Ice & Hypex modules that I have heard have been tonally cool & analytical with meat missing from the bone. Perhaps the examples that I have heard have had impedance mismatching issues, but the sound signatures were completely opposite ends of the spectrum from a tube amp with tone, spatial presentation, decay, and fatness of the sound. Anyway, I hope you get to review the NAD 3020D V2. A NAD design goal was to voice it the same as the original 3020.
Great in depth review! I put the Stellar DAC in my system and found it wasn't a match. Since my current DAC is over 10 years I was expecting a huge jump in sound but found it was pretty much just as detailed as my Benchmark DAC1. I found the Stellar to have the same dark sounding characteristics of the BHK equipment I heard at the PS Audio facility.
@Lloyd Stout I did try some of the filter settings and noticed changes between them. The source was a macbook, I now use a microRendu which was a nice improvement, however, I believe the Stellar DAC would still not be a match for my system.
Sean Good work as ever on this this.I bought the Stellar DAC to replace old 80's Apogee DAC and a MCintosh C712 pre for my buddy and I have listemed to the amps.So here's my take.First one thing you missed I thought was that one can cut price down to $2800 (lower street as one mentioned PS MSRP are way above real sale price you can get) is you only need 140 wpc with S300 amp.The Stellar DAC though as a DAC is very good close to Class A Mytek or Schiit Yggy.The preamp functions well enough to be a viable alternative for someone looking to get a better one (I was thinking Schiit Frey all the way to a $5K Rogue,Aesthetic Calypso,Parasound JCP2 etc)..That said I think that a DAC at $1700 not having MQA or being a Roon endpoint even if it does DSD256 will cost them.I think McGowan might not haven wanted to take sales from himself but he's going to lose people to lesser sounding Parasound P6 or NAD C658.Your take on the amps was very good and I think you would agree it's all coming together for many implementing Class D.Cost per watt,less heat and now with better sound if done right it's viable alternative to AB.I might get the stack myself.You were right on with comparison to Parasound (I haven't heard the amp but I have heard P6 vs PS Stellar) and you are getting better sound (with taste caveats you mention I guess with amps) but cost of PS as a stack is also a concern of mine.Heard interview Fremmer did with engineer who designed their phono.It will be a 2 input affair with Stellar styling at $2K target price.Then they are coming out with a streamer.One thing you review didn't mention was inclusion of a I2S input PS proprietary which all of them are since there is no one standard) allowing for separate clock and data streams.Will it improve the potential function of streamer/DAC?Dunnoh above my pay grade.But that I think McGowan said will be $2K range.And they have a a Stellar Power regenerator already for sale at $2K.So will the S300/phono stack be worth $7K or the M700 combo $8K?Add another $2K for a power regenerator?You look at the Elac stack which is $2500 for the pre/DAC AND streamer and $1K for the phono and a stereo/mono amp that does 350/650 wpc at $1500 you could go with a $5K or $6500 set up.Parasound P6 will again imho not match PS but what price glory?For me the lack of MQA and Roon is a serious oversight and though a good line you are knocking on door of next level products.To me good value but then you look at Schiit and well that's an off the charts value pre-wise.Who knows if NAD can get that C658 through teething problems early on but so far it is a bridge too far (amazing if it delivered though).There are other options and the Stella while not worthy of the hype that it's gotten.It is not the game changer say the Kef LS50 was.
I enjoy both yours, Steve G's (reading him since pre CNET/RUclips days), and Record Store Day Dan's RUclips pages. I totally understand your impressions and comparisons between the PS Audio & Parasound amps. Hell, I was gonna buy two ICE Amps off of Parts Express and integrate them into one chassis with my Resto-Modded 1968 Bose 901's with my personally modded Bose Series 2 EQ. The cost of those amps plus chassis, wiring, and back panel connectivity would have only saved me always on$1500 compared to the Stellar Stack in your review. Along with my Sony STR-DN1080 and true Balanced XLR's that I hacked out of the HDMI PCB which also bypasses the Sony's volume control. I use a Sony UBP-X1000ES as a Universal Disc Transport and HiRes audio and video streamer. They integrate exceptionally well with my Stellar Stack (SGCD/Preamp & 2x m700's) same as what you reviewed here but in Black. My impressions are different than yours. While I do "color" my system with the Bose Series 2 "Dog's Breakfast" EQ. It's the secret sauce combined with the m700's tendancy to highlight the midrange at louder volume. I hear this too (as did you) at higher volume levels. Since I'm an apartment dweller, I play at low volume but once in a while "crank it". When I do that, I dial back the Bose EQ but leave the SGCD/Preamp's filter #1 always on. I hear Deep Bass down to 30Hz, very clean not to "shouty" mids, and a top end that's amazing at low level volume, and when the EQ is dialed back, does not at all sound like "no high, no lows...it must be Bose". I'd rented a Crown XTi2002 for testing the Sony XLR breakouts that I hacked prior to my PS Audio shipment's arrival. It sounded pretty damn good. A sound that I assume would approach the Parasound you reviewed with the SGCD/Preamp. I played the Crown amp through my volume bypassed Sony DN1080 (used the Crown's level control/Crown EQ set to "Flat"). The Stellar Stack is the best I can afford to own and love it's sound on my rig. I used to be big on Adcom until my GFA-555II caught fire (long story - my fault actually). You do excellent work Sean and thank you for confirming what I suspected but did not want to publish on any forums (especially PSA's) until I watched your review. Hey, even Uncle Steve said we are allowed to use EQ no matter how big or small our rigs cost. Happy 4th to you & your family Bro !
The 901s are the limiting factor in this case. They were dismissed by the audio press in 1970 for their low fidelity, unnatural sound quality. Don't even get me started on the eq which barely matches the parts quality of a Zenith clock radio.
@@tsamplifiers6493 I rebuild the Series 2 EQ's myself with SonicCaps & Vishay 1% Metal Film Resistors and a high current Toroidal that drives three of these EQ PCB's that are configured for a true balanced configuration. Each Bose 901 Series 2 EQ feed a single speaker instead of the standard sngle ended L & R pair.The Electrolytic Caps's are Low ESR "big boy"Black EU made KEMETS and Vishay US made Aluminum Electrolytic's. This is how you take a Turd and turn it into a Treasure. All Highs, Sweet Mids, Deep Lows (start to attenuate below 40Hz in room)....it must be Bose.
My quick thoughts and experience with the DAC 1. USB input is a bit thin sounding but I blame my fanless PC's Motherboad...not the SGCD 2. Coax input has better Bass and Midrange while not messing up the Highs when played via the Coax output of my Sony UBP-X1000ES 3. Haven't tried the I2S input because I don't have either Sonore or Matrix USB to I2S HDMI interfaces/boxes 4. For now, I can only play DSD via theX1000ES's Analog Out until I get either of the above boxes
Az Usmb I’m a bit confused (yeah, me and Littlefinger...) because PS Audio website mentions on GC that “All input signals are taken into the Gain Cell DAC in Native Mode, without Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) and fed directly into a simplified FPGA known as a CPLD (Complex Programmable Logic Device), which discovers...”.
Sean - Very helpful review. I especially liked the comparison to the Parasound amp at the end of the video. Thank-you. Just one note: several times in the video, you used the term “linear” when I believe you meant to say “flat frequency response” - meaning no relative amplification nor attenuation of frequency bands across the spectrum. Linear is a time-domain rather than frequency domain term and refers to the output being a faithful multiple of the input signal. Best of luck with continuing to grow your channel. Frank
Hello Sean, great review. I would be curious on your opinion on the Vincent line, especially the SV-500 and or the SV-237MK Integrateds...I hope they might in your future to review, thanks
Good review as expected, I've yet to be disappointed. It would be great to have you follow up with a review of the BHK line of PS Audio. Have a great and safe 4th of July!
Sean, Have you attempted to obtain a Benchmark AHB2 amplifier for review? I’d like to see a stand-alone review of it and a comparison with the Stellar monoblocks.
You can absolutely exceed their performance and quality with a Yamaha PX10, PX8 or PX5 and a number of dacs for 1/3 the price or better. Just my opinion.
You can spend $4,000 on this Class D setup, which is admittedly very good, or spend $1,000 to $1,500 to get a really nice lightly-used Class A or AB preamp and power amp. I'm thinking Adcom GFA-5500 or similar. Sure, it's "only" 200 WPC @ 8 ohms, but who needs more than that for 2 channel? The PS Audio setup wins when it comes to form factor, power consumption, and heat output. The Class A/AB setup will win for everything else. The used market is where it's at right now.
In my setup I compared m700 with adcom 555 mkII, Chiro C200, Emotiva A300, Emotiva XPA2 Gen 3, Rotel A12 all class AB, and PS audio is in a different league. M700 stayed, all others went on eBay.
4K for that stack, I think I’ll stick with the Sprout100 for now. I’m sure it outperforms the Sprout100, but I’d rather get some Maggies and possibly look at emotiva to drive them
Thank God! Someone takes a dive into class D!. Meaning something 2k or over. Wish more reviewers would also. To me...class D can be pretty damn good right now. Seams like in the last 5 to 10 years sometimes it gives any class amp a run for its money. Would you agree? Sean...in your opinion, If you did a blind test of 5 to 10 class D and class ab amps with all things equal....would it really be that easy to tell which was which?
Honestly, class-D has been good for a long time. Over 10 years ago, Panasonic released a slim receiver that sounded more like a class-a amplifier than a class-d amp, and it only cost around $350 USD. Sony had an all-in-one SACD/Integrated amp that provided an insane amount of clarity and control for under $1000. Hell, my favorite class-D amp is a modified H20 Signature 100, which uses a B&O ICE module that's over 10 years old! I think what's changing now is the fact that class-D is no longer as hit-or-miss as it used to be. That's a good thing! The line that has historically separated the 'Class-D' sound from the conventional 'Class A/B, Class A' transistor sound has become blurred. Still, I think most class-D implementations retain that signature cool tone and slightly thin midrange. Something that should be easy to identify for experienced listeners with a good set of ears - even in a proper blind ABX test.
The main idea of a balanced amplifier is to build two copies of a design then null the artefacts of the output by it being fed a signal 180 degrees out of phase at the same time. Thus giving a pure signal. This being different to a bridged design which is more about power output.
+Zero Fidelity Sean, thanks for the review. Do you use a consistent set of "test tracks" when evaluating and comparing all of these different components? If so, what tracks are used (and in which format)? Do you listen and evaluate at a measured & matched reference volume level when comparing between two or more different systems? Thanks!
Isn't that chip a pretty dated one ? I'm not really thinking a set up like that could hang with say a pillinius integrated. Sounds like a good match maybe for an electrostat like a Maggie ribbon. If it can handle the impedence spikes.
I picked up this system early last year---really as a holdover until the Elac Alchemy gear finally became available---and was disappointed in its lackluster performance on my Elac Adante AS-61s. After several hundred hours, they never moved past sounding "okay" at the most. When the Alchemy DDP-2 and DPA-2 arrived, even before my own burning in, they immediately sounded significantly better than the Stellar system. On. My. Speakers. Obviously your mileage may vary, depending on the speakers you're using. All I know is that the Alchemy sounded much more airy and detailed, with better low end impact.
True that. Was running an Oppo 205 direct into the mcintosh mc275 VI. Wasn't satisfied. Put the stellar in between. A happy camper now. Improved the sound substantially.
How would you compare this to a parasound halo? I'm just curious how your interpretation of how you believe the actual sound comparison would be with say a pair of Maggie's or Totem Hawks? O yea..... you and Thomas are my favorite reviewers (new day is cool too). You are doing an amazing job. I have one suggestion though. You present your videos in sections. It would be awesome of you could put the time stamp of each section in the description. Just an idea. Thanks
Nice review! I love it when people talk about pros and cons in a meaningful way, instead of throwing around washed out buzzwords that don't make anyone the wiser. However, a couple of ideas to improve your videos. Overall you give a forced or stressed out impression, which makes it a little bit difficult to fully enjoy your content. I guess it’s because of the following reasons: - First and foremost you sit too close to the camera. - The “intros/pauses” such as "caveats" are only a few seconds, which is too short to be useful. The analysis is better than the presentation of it. Anyway, that's my impressions. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the good/honest review, I have been debating on giving a pair of their m700’s a try along with their direct stream dac and this really helps me move forward with my purchase. I took a tour of PSAudio a few weeks back on vacations and was really impressed. Were the m700’s new or did they have a bunch of hours to break in as many state they sound better after use. The store I have been talking with offered the equipment at 30+ % off msrp!
I wonder how this would compare to the Mytek class D amps and brooklyn and then for giggle compare it to a reference class D Mola Mola monoblock Amps that are 17k and their preamp.
Umm, maybe your off on this day of recording. You called the USB input an Ethernet and the HDMI input a USB. Did Paul McGowan instruct you not to open them up? Cause it is not like you to skip that step.
Correct. Yesterday was a very rough day and I was completely off my game. Could I have re-filmed that section? Sure. And I probably should have, but I decided to upload anyway so I can move the eff on. And no, nobody instructed me to keep the lids down. I didn't showcase the inside of the gear because there's nothing interesting to see. Felt it would be a waste of time and wanted to focus more on the performance.
@@ZeroFidelity Your fan's (including me) really don't care nor would any of us pointed out your faux pa because I think (hope) smart enough to understand what you meant. A clean perfect edited Video ain't my thing but neither is an Audio review of a Dude with a GoPro on his head. Cheers Bro !
Interesting and trustworthy, as usual. I am more than curious what speakers you used to listen to these? Reason is, I am finding so much difference between the -- let's call them interfaces -- between speakers and power amplifiers. I think it means so much to the ear. Were your speakers relatively inefficient boxes, current hungry Maggies, or the "let's go run and play" like Klipsch's? I'm not being critical. I'd just like one or two more points of calibration. Thanks for all you do.
Jim: Klipsch Forte III's, RP600M's, Totem Sky, Buchardt S400, Buchardt S300, Mistral BOW A2, Harbeth P3ESR 40th Anniversary, Phase Technology PC1.5. Runs the gamut between low-efficiency, average efficiency, and high-efficiency speakers. Also covers limited range to (nearly) full-range speakers.
Good review; I would like to mention that the headphone is a 1/4 inch plug, not a 1/8 inch one. I have the DAC preamp and running it through a McIntosh MC2200 200wpc amp with KEF LS50’s. Some people might find the combination a tad bright but maybe the Mac tones down what could be unacceptably so. I would like to hear your thoughts on this pairing with your Buchardts. Oh, and I’d also like to mention the excellent customer service I’ve experienced with PS Audio. They sent me a new IC chip to fix a problem with the Mute function not working when I wrote to them on their webpage. Paul wrote me back and had me call them directly to resolve the issue.
Could you compare that stack to one of Peachtree's amps? Or maybe review any Peachtree amp? Like Nova150, 300 or 500? Peachtree markets it as the best Class D amp and it garnered much renown in the US.
My only problem with PS Audio is that the watts shown on the page shows only the 4 ohm value. They say it's because most modern speakers are in the 4 ohm category. The newbie will see 1200 watts and say that's a lot of power. It is, but when they buy 8 ohm speakers, they are getting 600 watts. Sort of not telling the whole truth. Makes it sound better.
@@stevec5465 The impedence constantly fluctuates so many speakers that say they are 8 ohm can be more around 4 ohms anyway. They just say they are 8 ohms generic comaptible with everything value. Sensitivity is probably a better number to pay attention to. As for PSaudio stuff it has no tone control so its already a no from me just because of that. Parasound for me in this price range.
We are currently evaluating this fine combo: (www.thesoundadvocate.com) Initial impressions confirms the monoblocks class D modules used to be exceptionally “neutral” and masterfully detailed, powerful and rich as are many of the latest class D units we’ve reviewed; (E.G- www.thesoundadvocate.com/equipment-reviews/amplification/) Some of these newest Class D amps can, arguably, rival the best ClassA-A/B audiophile amplifiers currently available. Your listening notes regarding the Preamp/DAC, however, can be confidently taken to heart. It most likely concerns the DAC that PS Audio has Decided on which can definitely take on some characteristics displaying a Slightly ‘sharper’ tonal balance when using excellent program sources . Indeed, not as neutral as we’ve come to observe compared to combos and separates by Peachtree, AVM, wyred4sound , CIA ......(see review at above link) to name a few. However, as it stands now , the Monoblocks appear to be a product that can cause some considerable ENVY, from almost any esoteric audiophile amplifer manufactures- especially at its price points!!
I know I will likely get negative comments for admitting this publicly - I have the SGCD preamp paired with the little Emotiva PA1 monoblocks and am currently THRILLED with the combo driving my Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands. Balanced XLR to the PA1s sounds far superior to my Adcom 555 mkII monoblocks and my Anthem A5 amps. I was completely surprised for the $$$.
Hey great video, I have a question: what did this stack sound like with your Double Impacts, and can you please tell us what your "stack to be reckoned with" is, and provide a link to it, or the review of it. Thanks.
The DI's are long gone, which is a shame. I also have no 'stack' to be reckoned with. I was simply making a remark about how I'd feel of the PS Audio stack was just a bit better at this and that.
I’m considering this system and others. I currently drive s pair of Focal 1028be speakers with a Yamaha a-s801 amp. My sources are a Rega P6 turntable with an Exact II MM cart and Marantz 6006 CD. I’m thinking of upgrading to the stack plus the new phono pre amp, or Luxman 507ux MkII or McIntosh MA7900. They would be around the same price. What are your thoughts? Which one or should I stick with the Yamaha?
Can you do an update of the stack with the PerfectWave SACD Transport putting out DSD audio? I picked up a used SGC DAC and thinking about selling the C2300 and buying the transport.
I only paid $2000 for my Sunfire (Bob Carver) amp that drove 200 watts into 5 channels back in the nineties. Are they making components out of gold, now?
I was wondering about potential sources (laptops excluded, I’m talking about HiFi components) transporting DSD64/128 content that could make a synergistic match (through either USB or I2S) with this DAC...any suggestions?
Bought one of these to start upgrading my headphone/speaker game. Coming from the RME ADI-2 Dac Fs. At full retail, huge upgrade, but I took advantage of their trade-in program and got it for 1,275$(within 100$ of my previous unit.) Easy recommendation from me after auditioning equipment over months. It doesn't match many devices at twice it's price like some claim, but it's easy for me to say this unit punches above it's weight often. Easy recommendation from me and paired lovely with my LCD-X, ZMF Verite, and SVS Ultra towers.
Right now the Gain Cell DAC is "on sale" for $1249. PS Audio's "TRADE IN" program is a scam. They have inflated their selling prices big time to allow for trade ins. Double win for them. You should offered PS Audio a lower price and they would have accepted. Then sell your piece. Paul is a scam artist.
So let's go ahead and address the following points:
- At 4:15, I called this an ethernet connection because that's what you do after talking about routers before filming. It's a USB Type-B. The port that I referred to as the USB input is actually an HDMI input. We all have off days. Mine was on camera. Life goes on..
- I didn't mention DAC performance because I'm straight up not a fan of the ESS sound. If you like clean, clear, slightly thin sound with big imaging, then you'll love it. End of DAC assessment.
- This review is focused on the stack. Not just the amps or the pre-amp. I know some people would love three reviews in one, but there isn't enough time to get that done.
- And lastly, I realize there are endless components that could be used in the comparison. I went with the one that I felt was most relevant and interesting, even if it put the focus more on the amps than on the PS stack as a whole.
What's the HDMI for syncing purposes. Interested if you tried the schiit Loki in there between the preamp and the power amps would be good
Dude...please...I caught the mistake and could care less. I'm sure the folks at PS Audio will feel the same way. You verified what I suspected audio wise. Please see my comments and check out my lame ass RUclips Channel. I'm still working on a Video to clearly explain and demonstrate my Bose Series 2 Equalizer.
Keep up the Great Work Sean !!!
@@johnsweda2999 I2S Audio for up to 11.2MHz DSD over PCM playback. Both Sonore (ultraDigital i2s converter) and Matrix (X-SPDIF 2) make USB to I2S convertors that are made specific for I2S compatible DAC's.
I have a schiit audio Freya + and Gungnir DAC would that pair good with M700 ??
Don't worry about it man. I don't think anyone was angry about it.
Sean at Zero Fidelity IS the Audio Jedi! Another stellar (pun intended) review, with no holds barred truth!
Really appreciate your take and hope more manufacturers get on board with the actual review process. Everyone wins..simple.
Thanks for another great review Sean!
Sean, I continue to marvel at your work ethic. This makes 8 reviews in 7 weeks. Great job. This is definitely the best audiophile review site online that I have seen.
Tell it like it is and call it as you see it! That is what I like about your reviews. Cut no ice and give no slack! Whether anyone else sees the set up as you do is clearly another matter. You give your perceptions and it is up to each individual to determine their own opinion. You are a guidepost for the undecided and here is where they must determine for themselves what is important. For those less experienced, you give them a tour to help them make a decision based on your findings. It is still up to the individual what is important. Really good review Sean! Always honest!
The compact nature of the Stellar components is one of the things I like about it.
Me too !
Ditto what Tim said - I love my pair of M700's. I got mine used and saved 40% so the value to performance ratio was a bit better. I have mine paired with a Cary Audio SL-100. Between the two, the separation is amazing - but the biggest difference between this and my old system is that it is like I gained a speaker. The midrange sound stage was really brought out and put front and center. There are so many recordings that I can close my eyes and really feel the singer is right there in front of me. I can't wait to get my Tekton Double Impacts that I ordered yesterday thanks to your review Sean.
How do the M700s sound with the Tektons? I have the Stellar S300 and I am thinking of getting the M700 and the Tekton Dynamites
@@roig8578 They sound very good. Honestly, you don't need that much power as the Tekons are very efficient. I have since moved on from my M700 and have gone to a tube amplifier. For my tastes, it was the right move as I was looking for some more warmth in the mids, but the M700 are still very good and more neutral with the Tekons, which can be arguably better.
I have the NuWave DSD Dac and I can tell you that Ps Audio is currently producing relatively affordable components that pull well above their weight in terms of sound quality and build. Thanks for the review of the 'stack.' These puppies are definitely on my short wish list....
I bought one of PS Audio's first products, the Phono Preamp. In fact I bought it back when Mike Moffat of Schiit Audio fame was working at the stereo shop in Santa Ana, CA and he's the one who rang it up. This was in the '70s and that phono preamp is still going strong and amazing people with it's capabilities. A few years later I bought a PS Audio Elite Plus Integrated amp, and guess what? It's still going strong and still amazing people (although with a new owner. Had to sell it a couple years ago to pay bills but the new owner is a friend so he keeps me up to date on how much he loves it.).
I do have a preference for the Hypex based Class D amps, but when you consider the overall sound quality and power, pretty much all of the Class D offerings are amazing. People forget that we are talking about several hundred watts of power per channel, over 90% efficiency, and near zero heat. I run my Nord Class D monoblocks during the hot summer months and my Primaluna tube amp during the rest of the year. The Nords are not embarrassed by a direct comparison to the tubes.
But there are fidelity tradeoffs. I have a problem with what's under the hood and the price being asked for it. You can buy this level of quality from dozens of manufacturers for under $500 all day long.
Thanks for a great review of the PS Audio Stellar stack! There are so few reviews out there. You answered all my questions and reinforced that I need to save more $$$ and get better equipment.
I chose the Parasound P5/2350 combo. The sub out and control features sealed the deal. It works extremely well with Goldenear.
Finally! No review on RUclips about it. Thank you!
I'm working on one but my site is NOT a review channel. There of plenty of knowledgeable folks like Sean, Steve, & Dan who do that and better than I ever could.
paul gabriel Ardelean Steve G did a review on CNET a couple of years ago on the GC DAC and the S300 stereo amp; he liked the amp but preferred the Mytek Brooklyn preamp/DAC instead.
And as always with PS AUDIO you can audition at home with a no hassle return policy.
PS AUDIO is not cheap but it’s pretty serious stuff!
I’d love to grab their SACD transport $7k is a little above my capabilities at the moment.
Really good review though and pretty spot on! 👍🏻
These guys are a class company all the way
Great job Sean I do appreciate your hard work I know it takes a lot to do an in depth review , hopefully one day I can get to the point where I can get audio sent to me by Audio companies for my channel i'm going broke , I been an audiophile enthusiast since 1988 at 13 years old and music/audio has been my exhaust/therapy since losing my mom on Xmas , So I started my audio channel to tune in and tune out and i must say it's helped round the edges off a lil bit thanks again Sean learned a lot from you
Thanks man. It's always good to have a healthy outlet. Truth be told, there isn't much money in riffing about Hi-Fi on YT unless you treat this like a bonafide business and you're prepared to bust your butt on a daily basis. Keep doing what you're doing, provide value, and eventually companies will become more than happy to send gear your way. :) You are always welcome to reach out if you have any questions or would simply like to have someone to bounce thoughts off of. As for your mom: I truly am sorry to hear that. I've yet to lose a parent, but my mothers health isn't the best. Keep listening, sharing your thoughts, and enjoying the music!
Tee-Jay Yeah, keep on the good works!
Spikeout BS Thank you
I am now a Subscriber. That's the other cool about the Audio/Video community n RUclips. Using each others pages to increase interest is what it's all about.
The real star of the show is the stellar dac preamp. For the price, it is fantastic. It makes Redbook cds sound almost as good as sacds through my Marantz 8000 series cd player.
Actually it introduces tons of noise and distortion and has a dynamic range smaller than 96db(16 bit)
@Dire Straits uhm look on measurements on audiosciencereview. It's almost worst DAC they ever had...
awdadw adwad
Worse DAC ever made, still cost 1800. Expensive then.
Interesting that the DAC and preamp measured so horribly yet there are rave reviews from many sources including here on RUclips, and also interesting that the audiosciencereview folks don’t often listen to what they test. If you loved the GCD before seeing the ASR review and now hate it after, YOU’VE changed, not the GCD.
I stand by my original assessment. It sounds fantastic. I haven't looked at another dac since.
Love the aesthetics, the minimalist look. You have to love all that power coming from those slim chassis. Great back panel layout on the preamplifier. Thanks for another great video man!
Reminds me of Bang & Olufsen's look in the late 80's - early 90's. Gorgeous.
Not even close.
Well, I guess I fully redact my comment then. Obviously someone else's opinion matters so much more. Sorry I offended you so much that you had to post on a random RUclips comment praising these amps. I hope you're able to sleep at night.
@@beitie What? I simply don't care for this pair. I consider them to be very overpriced from a price/performance standpoint. The amp in particular. It is equaled by at least two $250 amplifiers I can name. It's significant.
B&O products are typically timeless, masterpieces of industrial engineering. Their 1970s audio gear still looks fresh and modern and even awe-inspiring today.
The PS products here are not unattractive to me. But they are basic and simple and not in B&O's league.
To equate them as such is to undeservedly elevate these products and diminish the usual B&O timeless, always in style, albeit expensive beauty.
Not offended at all. Your opinions are as legit as mine.
Yeah , bang and olufsen might not have been the last word in sound . But they were beautiful and built with very high quality and forward thinking designs 30 years ahead of thier time
The product design is great, Paul have a great taste.
Looks like printer case
Thanks Sean , Great review . I've been following Paul forever and watch him every day. I'm ready for power and have almost pulled the trigger several times on the stack. For what I'm doing I think it's gonna perfect. Wanna finish my stereo projects and enjoy them and move on to other hobbies and interests. . Happy 4th dude.✌️
I am using the same stack, with Linton's 85Th anniversary edition and they sound absolutely amazing. almost tube like, and amazing highs, mids and lows.
I love my pair of M700’s, they drive both my Magnepan’s and Zu’s, such disparate speakers, with ease, but I use a Schiit Freya preamp and Yggdrasil DAC. In my opinion, it’s a killer combo.
Tim Bathras, Let’s start a club Tim! I too am a ZU owner and am now a part of the Maggie family. It’s so fun going back and forth between the two systems. I have had my ZU’s for 1.5 years and my Maggie LRS’s for about a month. They are currently not hooked up because I sold my amp that was trying to power them but it just wasn’t working. So I have a DAC Stereo Maraschino coming in next week! I almost went with PS Audio but ultimately decided on the Maraschino. So you really like the Freya huh? I am thinking about going that route as well. I want to hear more opinions on the SS Freya. My amp and DAC is all balanced XLR so I want to keep that chain intact or I would just go with the Saga, which is also another “Stellar” product from Schiit. I know, I owned one for about 6 months.
Julie Henries, I think you’d be fine with the S300 for the KEF LS50. The M700’s might be overkill.
Jeff Adams, I love the tube Freya, it’s totally worth it. The new Freya + you can disable and shutoff the tubes, so you can switch between both worlds so to speak. I have the Maggie 1.7i’s and the Zu Omen DWs and I love having the options.
Can’t argue there
I don't feel too bad. I bought a 2350 demo for $744.44 from Audio Advisor. Thanks for the comparison.
Great video review again, thanks. I have this stack driving my B&W 702 S2’s & to me it sounds amazing. Keep the great work coming.
Another very good, honest review. Thank you Sean! My main issue with PS Audio is that they make unattractive equipment. Blah. Plain. They look like a computer from Acer from the '90's. I don't know why they choose to make all their equipment look so unappealing. I know it's not necessarily fair to pick on cosmetic appeal. But, damn. Anyway, that is nothing you or I control. Thanks for the video, and I am glad to get your take on these pieces. You rock!
I consider PS Audio equal or better than McIntosh without the bling. Personally, I listen while the light's are low or during the day with the curtains open. I'm not into shiny object's and can't afford them anyways...LOL. The engine builder's analogy, "Chrome don't getch'ya home" is also true in Audiolandia.
I personally love that clean look.
so true. I got s300 in black for my desktop, but wouldn't get anyhing else from ps audio for my living room. Design is so bad, especially those screens on their power plants.
Hi Sean, thank you for this review! You had indicated previously that you might not do that comparison, but I'm so glad you did! I think a lot of people will find this review useful -- I certainly did! I ended up splurging on M700s to replace an old (but impressive) Krell amp (KSA series.) I sacrificed a bit of bass slam for better resolution, imaging, "air," and a lower noise floor... and of course a lot less heat generation! I am very happy with the pair, especially when saving some $$ by purchasing used or finding a dealer with a discount. :)
Awesome comparison. You know sean, the comparison really really really makes the product you are reviewing very much more "relatable", I mean "I get it." Well as you said, 3K vs 1.3K, well, that's a big difference. Just to add, with the iFiTube 2 as my Preamp, the Zonemaster is transformed. First time I heard it, I said "Wow...." So much good useable info in 15 mins, you are No1 in this domain. Well, it would been 10 mins or less, if you skip the Intro about the history, what perf envelope it was aiming for, it would be just like... Yeah Bruce Lee! Quick-efficient punches that KOs, rather than flowery movements that just looks good, but no KO.
I have not heard this stack yet - neither the gain cell dac nor the amps. But what you describe sounds uncannily familiar to my Pioneer AVR SC-LX87 (Elite SC-79 in USA) of 2013 vintage. It is Class D and has ESS Sabre 9016 chip. 😁 Detailed, warm, dynamic, spacious, and muscular presentation but equally refined for 2 channel stereo music too which is what I use it for more than 80% of the time! I love this AVR.
Great review and the comparison at the end was ready valuable.
You said the magic word; DYNAMICS.
Yes but don't confuse high power with high speed. Transient response is what is important. That requires 20MHz Ft output transistors at a minimum and a very low Z, high current supply in a conventional design.
Where most home Class D amps fall far short presently is with the design of the detrimental, phasey, speed and damping killing output filters. PSA and a handful of others have made good filter design a priority in some of their class D designs. I'm not sure about this model. It looks a little thin to contain the required large core/AWG inductors, although they could be mounted horizontally.
The pro sound builders are light years ahead of the home audio crowd in this regard.
Excellent review! Thank you for your detail and
honesty.
I’ve been living with the same stack (in black) that’s reviewed here for 6 months and if someone slapped a Class A or AB sticker on it, you wouldn’t know it. I don’t care how much of a “Golden Ear” you are. There is a Class JFET input stage BEFORE the ICE amplifier. All the B.S. against Class D is because those Audiofools are listening to the specification sheet and not the amplifier that the designers intended. Class D is the new AB so to speak. How it’s implemented is the key to phenomenal sound. I could have ordered ICE Amps from Parts Express and integrated it into my highly customized Bose 901 Series 2 EQ and about $2k but I didn’t. The amplifier simply takes the “Analog Cell” signature sound and doesn’t add or subtract anything to it as any good amplifier should do. There is NO SWITCHING NOISE or high frequency beat signals or Class D sound. I’m not into Tubes, did Class AB many many times, and can’t afford a high power Class A Amplifier (I wish).
I don’t do Vinyl anymore, and own several Bose 901 Series 1 & 2 Speakers which my Stellar Stack drives with incredible highs, sweet mids, and deep bass. My 901’s are setup so that the sweet spot does not fool you with the “direct reflecting” stereo everywhere sound. Center imaging is locked in the middle as it should be and my speakers do disappear.
Finally someone to talk about the ICE Power modules and the analog preamplifier. If I'm not mistaken they are using tubes for the mono blocks only.
The M700 is a scam! Made from dual Icepower 700AS1 modules, which you can buy online for 270$ a piece. These are good amps, but not worth this price tag
Perfect timing - Was just nearing the end of my listening session (with the new Maggie's) and this popped up.
Keep 'em coming brother!
Barry D'Souza , what Maggie’s and what are you driving them with? I have the new LRS’s and have an amp coming in from The Digital Amplifier Company, the Stereo Maraschino. I am going to give that a try and see what happens.
@@jeffadams9699 Coincidentally, I too was testing my new LRS's last night.
Initially drove them with Emotiva XPA-1L monoblocks in Class-A mode and they sounded sublime! But then Sean's review hit my notification bar and his Sprout100 reference got me curious, so I decided to go where no man has gone before - drive the Maggie's with a relatively low power, Class-D, budget amp, and boy was I surprised!
The Sprout100 drove the Maggie's with ease!
Don't get me wrong, the sound signature did change from what I was hearing with the monoblocks; it thinned out a wee bit, became slightly more 'grainy/harsh', with some loss in imaging & detail, and bass response dropped significantly (though the Sprout's built in optional bass boost compensated well), but never did the little switching amp seem to struggle with the LRS's. I was quite impressed by what it could do (exceeded my expectations for the size/price) and it only increased my curiosity about these types of combos.
Might have to connect my Peachtree Nova next to see how it compares.
Don't think you'll have any issues driving the LRS's with the Maraschino based on what I heard last night, especially if you're getting the King version.
You'll have to let us know the results once it comes in...
Disclaimer - Notes on the Sprout100 above are based on very limited listening.
Barry D'Souza , NICE! I have had my eye on that little Sprout 100 for a minute. And Tommy, the designer and owner of DAC, has talked to me quite a bit. He is an awesome guy and he just LOVES music! And making it sound spectacular. He has given me lessons on amps and it’s so much more than just the watts. He said the way his Maraschino is designed, the LRS’s will be easy to drive in 48v version. Pitch black background, 0 noise. And so on. I am getting his DAC, DAC too. From everything I have read, his amps are pretty special. I am also going to try it on my ZU’s to see how it sounds. Are you a member of Audiokarma or Audiocircle? Go to Audiocircle, that’s where a lot of information is on DAC. Do you have your Maggie’s in an open room?
@@jeffadams9699 Thanks for sharing - I just looked at their DAC's and I'm very intrigued. I was considering the Denafrips offerings for my next upgrade, but I think I'll give these guys a serious look now.
I also think the Maraschino will pair well with Zu's. We've all heard the talk about Zu's playing well with low power SET's etc., but my own experience has been the opposite: My Zu's come ALIVE when driven by high power, quality Class D amps (sounds beautiful with my Nova220SE).
To answer your other questions....The new Maggie's are in a dedicated open(ish) listening room, several feet from any walls/gear, so lots of space to breathe and sound their best; they are VERY placement sensitive.
As for forums, I'm a longtime lurker on several, but not too active. Might have to remedy this soon...
Cheers!
Very good review. I was going to pull the trigger on the M700's in black. However once I heard the Parasound A2+, I found it to be more enjoyable sound with more meat on the bones.
Truly a “STELLA !! “ review.
Only 2 things are inside the amp: ICE amp module with power supply is 3" x 5" and costs $200, the PS Audio input buffer costs $15. Huge profit margin. Good bass tho
So in short, they are ripping people off?
@@CyberBeep_kenshi If that sounds like a good deal to you, then no. It's not a good deal to me you are paying for the cabinet. Hypex NCx500 amps are better in every way and cost a little less.
@@herrtrigger7220 that's what ripping off means
A very nice and accurate review. Yeah ... it definitely does not sound like a tube for sure.
I’ve always been keen on the Stellar DAC and the S300. I tested the pair and yeah, they sound good. Not perfect but they just nice.
Great review hopefully Paul will be pleased.
Sean, you should consider a class D follow up by reviewing one of the Peachtree Nova amps. It would be nice to know if there is any difference between proprietary “reasonably priced“ integrated Class D amps.
the ps audio uses ICEpower. The sprout100 is beat by an old NAD c320bee for performance.
behexen250 It's beat in SINAD measurements.
@Larry Niles There's so much mysticism in the audio world it's insane. I list SINAD because it's a primary measurement of how transparent an amp is. I am talking for reference systems. If you don't like low noise and distortion that's fine.
Chris Rogers DACs have one major requirement for accurate sound and that's a proper filter. unfortunately yours fails this. I suggest you lean what makes a proper dac. many people are lead away from very good gear by your methods as well as most human ears are crap. You mention people in their basements while disregarding that one piece of equipment is over 20k. If you like your sound more power too you but don't pull ignorance into this. I quite like the sound of tenor separates but that doesn't mean they are perfectly accurate.
super curious about your CD-777... perhaps a video down the road about your experience with high end CD players..
Thanks for another great, honest and to the point review! I came real close to purchasing the S300 for my new Maggie’s but went a different direction with another Class D option. The Digital Amplifier Company Stereo Maraschino. Heard and read great stuff about his amps. Should be here next week!
I have the same setup driving Magnepan 1.7s......sounds amazing.
Really awesome review! Love the comparison at the end too. PS audio has peaked my interest and recently watched a youtube video discussion with Jay and others comparing the sound experience between the PS Audio Stellar and Parasound A23/P6. I think I'm leaning towards the Parasound A23/P6 separates as I like that warmer/smoother sound. And would be pairing it with the B&W 603 towers or Paradigm 800f tower speakers. So I think the Parasound would be a great match and take the edge off the brightness I little from these two speakers.
Sean or anyone here, do think I'll notice a significant difference by going with the Parasound A23/P6 separates over the Parasound Halo Hint 6?
Thanks again and love your channel Sean!! Fun and honest reviews!!
This is how a review should be done. I'd call it reference review video.
Thanks! I was wondering if you or Ron or Steve were ever going to get around to reviewing anything by PS Audio - specifically these M700s. What a treat!
Steve has a review on his CNET pages. "Get ready to upgrade from Receiver sound"
@@joeygsaudiochannel3972 I am having trouble finding that review. What date did he post it?
@@redstarwraith My apologies redstarwraith it was Stereophile.
www.stereophile.com/content/ps-audio-stellar-m700-monoblock-power-amplifier
Thanks for the review was thinking of purchasing the pre/dac. I will add it to the list to review.
Please, please, please, review the Anthem STR integrated amplifier. If you can. I'd love to see your thoughts. I'm going to purchase the Maggie.7 which I've heard @ audio perfection in mpls. In theory i think the anthem should fit perfectly. Also, will be adding the Maggie bass mod.
A side from all that. I totally appreciate what you're doing here. You and steve are my absolute favorite.
I love the aesthetic of Anthem, it would be nice to know how they compare sonically
There is an excellent, super detailed, complete measurements review of the STR on utube. It is the best integrated amplifier available presently in my opinion.
Priced reasonably too.
I have the M700s and a McIntosh C2300 Pre as far as speakers go Wharfedale Linton 85th anniversary or the Wharfedale Denton 85th with a sub get my vote.
I just heard you say you're going to transition away from Audio Reviews--and you described how much work is involved. It must suck. I hope you still find inspiration in the music.
This is a good review of the M700s. I am less than a week into my audition of them. So far, the best thing about them is how well they play a low levels. I haven't had an amplifier that gave such a full and musical presentation at low (early morning or late evening) levels--and that's a big plus in my home!
As they and I break in (some say 300 hrs!), I am hearing clarity and spaciousness at all volume levels. The bass is tight so far, but not yet as deep as my past amps.The M700s seem to be a good fit with my Polk R500s and Def Tech ProSub 800s. I have a lot of headroom at the moment and the musicality is strong: vocal harmonies (GD's HD remaster of "Attics of My Life") are full and rich. Rosa Passos's voice is so sweet and pure, especially on the Chesky Records release with the full and musically satisfying bass of Ron Carter at her side. I am a little disappointed that Zappa's feedback-charged guitar on "The Black Page (New Age Version)" doesn't sparkle and dominate the soundstage as a live 3D image the way it did with my Vandersteen 2CEs with a Bryston 3B. That was special-effects quality live sound, and I miss it. However, that has been missing, more or less, since I had to downsize to the Polks. On the other hand, the horns from Make a Jazz Noise Here sound much better, much more musical and more balanced with the guitar presentation. It is a different listening experience: more good than bad, ultimately. And finally, so far, some old low-fi cuts actually sound better with the M700s than I have heard with any of my amps: the Loud, Fast and Out of Control compilation of 50s rockers sounds great! The M700s preserve the grit with really clear vocals that make these records scream! (And the less than great sounding (for me) Roadcase releases from Wilco are drastically improved with the boosted midrange of the M700s. It is a big improvement for me.)
So far, the M700s are promising. If, as they break in, they flesh out a bit with the bass--as the S300 did in the second week of heavy play--then they'll be keepers.
Thanks for your review and I hope you enjoy the music more however it is reproduced!
That's interesting how the input stage totally changes the sound signature of the amps you compare. The Ice & Hypex modules that I have heard have been tonally cool & analytical with meat missing from the bone. Perhaps the examples that I have heard have had impedance mismatching issues, but the sound signatures were completely opposite ends of the spectrum from a tube amp with tone, spatial presentation, decay, and fatness of the sound.
Anyway, I hope you get to review the NAD 3020D V2. A NAD design goal was to voice it the same as the original 3020.
Great in depth review! I put the Stellar DAC in my system and found it wasn't a match. Since my current DAC is over 10 years I was expecting a huge jump in sound but found it was pretty much just as detailed as my Benchmark DAC1. I found the Stellar to have the same dark sounding characteristics of the BHK equipment I heard at the PS Audio facility.
Are your tastes toward the bright side? By dark you mean less high end? Thanks.
@Lloyd Stout I did try some of the filter settings and noticed changes between them. The source was a macbook, I now use a microRendu which was a nice improvement, however, I believe the Stellar DAC would still not be a match for my system.
Sean
Good work as ever on this this.I bought the Stellar DAC to replace old 80's Apogee DAC and a MCintosh C712 pre for my buddy and I have listemed to the amps.So here's my take.First one thing you missed I thought was that one can cut price down to $2800 (lower street as one mentioned PS MSRP are way above real sale price you can get) is you only need 140 wpc with S300 amp.The Stellar DAC though as a DAC is very good close to Class A Mytek or Schiit Yggy.The preamp functions well enough to be a viable alternative for someone looking to get a better one (I was thinking Schiit Frey all the way to a $5K Rogue,Aesthetic Calypso,Parasound JCP2 etc)..That said I think that a DAC at $1700 not having MQA or being a Roon endpoint even if it does DSD256 will cost them.I think McGowan might not haven wanted to take sales from himself but he's going to lose people to lesser sounding Parasound P6 or NAD C658.Your take on the amps was very good and I think you would agree it's all coming together for many implementing Class D.Cost per watt,less heat and now with better sound if done right it's viable alternative to AB.I might get the stack myself.You were right on with comparison to Parasound (I haven't heard the amp but I have heard P6 vs PS Stellar) and you are getting better sound (with taste caveats you mention I guess with amps) but cost of PS as a stack is also a concern of mine.Heard interview Fremmer did with engineer who designed their phono.It will be a 2 input affair with Stellar styling at $2K target price.Then they are coming out with a streamer.One thing you review didn't mention was inclusion of a I2S input PS proprietary which all of them are since there is no one standard) allowing for separate clock and data streams.Will it improve the potential function of streamer/DAC?Dunnoh above my pay grade.But that I think McGowan said will be $2K range.And they have a a Stellar Power regenerator already for sale at $2K.So will the S300/phono stack be worth $7K or the M700 combo $8K?Add another $2K for a power regenerator?You look at the Elac stack which is $2500 for the pre/DAC AND streamer and $1K for the phono and a stereo/mono amp that does 350/650 wpc at $1500 you could go with a $5K or $6500 set up.Parasound P6 will again imho not match PS but what price glory?For me the lack of MQA and Roon is a serious oversight and though a good line you are knocking on door of next level products.To me good value but then you look at Schiit and well that's an off the charts value pre-wise.Who knows if NAD can get that C658 through teething problems early on but so far it is a bridge too far (amazing if it delivered though).There are other options and the Stella while not worthy of the hype that it's gotten.It is not the game changer say the Kef LS50 was.
Real life sound does have a grit to it. Yes! Having played in bands I can vouch for that,
I enjoy both yours, Steve G's (reading him since pre CNET/RUclips days), and Record Store Day Dan's RUclips pages. I totally understand your impressions and comparisons between the PS Audio & Parasound amps. Hell, I was gonna buy two ICE Amps off of Parts Express and integrate them into one chassis with my Resto-Modded 1968 Bose 901's with my personally modded Bose Series 2 EQ. The cost of those amps plus chassis, wiring, and back panel connectivity would have only saved me always on$1500 compared to the Stellar Stack in your review.
Along with my Sony STR-DN1080 and true Balanced XLR's that I hacked out of the HDMI PCB which also bypasses the Sony's volume control. I use a Sony UBP-X1000ES as a Universal Disc Transport and HiRes audio and video streamer. They integrate exceptionally well with my Stellar Stack (SGCD/Preamp & 2x m700's) same as what you reviewed here but in Black.
My impressions are different than yours. While I do "color" my system with the Bose Series 2 "Dog's Breakfast" EQ. It's the secret sauce combined with the m700's tendancy to highlight the midrange at louder volume. I hear this too (as did you) at higher volume levels. Since I'm an apartment dweller, I play at low volume but once in a while "crank it". When I do that, I dial back the Bose EQ but leave the SGCD/Preamp's filter #1 always on. I hear Deep Bass down to 30Hz, very clean not to "shouty" mids, and a top end that's amazing at low level volume, and when the EQ is dialed back, does not at all sound like "no high, no lows...it must be Bose". I'd rented a Crown XTi2002 for testing the Sony XLR breakouts that I hacked prior to my PS Audio shipment's arrival. It sounded pretty damn good. A sound that I assume would approach the Parasound you reviewed with the SGCD/Preamp. I played the Crown amp through my volume bypassed Sony DN1080 (used the Crown's level control/Crown EQ set to "Flat").
The Stellar Stack is the best I can afford to own and love it's sound on my rig. I used to be big on Adcom until my GFA-555II caught fire (long story - my fault actually).
You do excellent work Sean and thank you for confirming what I suspected but did not want to publish on any forums (especially PSA's) until I watched your review. Hey, even Uncle Steve said we are allowed to use EQ no matter how big or small our rigs cost.
Happy 4th to you & your family Bro !
The 901s are the limiting factor in this case. They were dismissed by the audio press in 1970 for their low fidelity, unnatural sound quality. Don't even get me started on the eq which barely matches the parts quality of a Zenith clock radio.
@@tsamplifiers6493 I rebuild the Series 2 EQ's myself with SonicCaps & Vishay 1% Metal Film Resistors and a high current Toroidal that drives three of these EQ PCB's that are configured for a true balanced configuration. Each Bose 901 Series 2 EQ feed a single speaker instead of the standard sngle ended L & R pair.The Electrolytic Caps's are Low ESR "big boy"Black EU made KEMETS and Vishay US made Aluminum Electrolytic's. This is how you take a Turd and turn it into a Treasure. All Highs, Sweet Mids, Deep Lows (start to attenuate below 40Hz in room)....it must be Bose.
@@mcgillicutty--- DHS is awesome at the Bose EQ rebuilds. It's where I got the idea to build mine.
My quick thoughts and experience with the DAC
1. USB input is a bit thin sounding but I blame my fanless PC's Motherboad...not the SGCD
2. Coax input has better Bass and Midrange while not messing up the Highs when played via the Coax output of my Sony UBP-X1000ES
3. Haven't tried the I2S input because I don't have either Sonore or Matrix USB to I2S HDMI interfaces/boxes
4. For now, I can only play DSD via theX1000ES's Analog Out until I get either of the above boxes
Curious as to how this DAC sounds when compared to Paul's upper-level (FPGA-based) models..(?)
Az Usmb I’m a bit confused (yeah, me and Littlefinger...) because PS Audio website mentions on GC that “All input signals are taken into the Gain Cell DAC in Native Mode, without Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) and fed directly into a simplified FPGA known as a CPLD (Complex Programmable Logic Device), which discovers...”.
Look cool. Can look even better placing vertically.
Sean - Very helpful review. I especially liked the comparison to the Parasound amp at the end of the video. Thank-you. Just one note: several times in the video, you used the term “linear” when I believe you meant to say “flat frequency response” - meaning no relative amplification nor attenuation of frequency bands across the spectrum. Linear is a time-domain rather than frequency domain term and refers to the output being a faithful multiple of the input signal. Best of luck with continuing to grow your channel. Frank
Hello Sean, great review. I would be curious on your opinion on the Vincent line, especially the SV-500 and or the SV-237MK Integrateds...I hope they might in your future to review, thanks
I remember when I had a PS audio 5.0 with the 200c. It was the sweetest solid state I had in the 90s.
Good review as expected, I've yet to be disappointed. It would be great to have you follow up with a review of the BHK line of PS Audio. Have a great and safe 4th of July!
Thanks I was considering it, but went with the new Primaluna EVO 400 still considering the BHK 250 Amp and shooting for the DirectStream Dac
PS audio is very average. You explained it well.
Not to my ears but to each their own.
you should give the bhk series a whirl, you may be surprised!
Sean, Have you attempted to obtain a Benchmark AHB2 amplifier for review? I’d like to see a stand-alone review of it and a comparison with the Stellar monoblocks.
I’m really digging this. $4K for the stack is a bargain.
You can absolutely exceed their performance and quality with a Yamaha PX10, PX8 or PX5 and a number of dacs for 1/3 the price or better. Just my opinion.
You can spend $4,000 on this Class D setup, which is admittedly very good, or spend $1,000 to $1,500 to get a really nice lightly-used Class A or AB preamp and power amp. I'm thinking Adcom GFA-5500 or similar. Sure, it's "only" 200 WPC @ 8 ohms, but who needs more than that for 2 channel? The PS Audio setup wins when it comes to form factor, power consumption, and heat output. The Class A/AB setup will win for everything else. The used market is where it's at right now.
In my setup I compared m700 with adcom 555 mkII, Chiro C200, Emotiva A300, Emotiva XPA2 Gen 3, Rotel A12 all class AB, and PS audio is in a different league. M700 stayed, all others went on eBay.
4K for that stack, I think I’ll stick with the Sprout100 for now. I’m sure it outperforms the Sprout100, but I’d rather get some Maggies and possibly look at emotiva to drive them
I bought Maggie LRS and run them with Emotiva. Seems to be a good mstch.
An Emotiva A-300 is doing a great job driving my Maggie 1.6's.
Thank God! Someone takes a dive into class D!. Meaning something 2k or over. Wish more reviewers would also. To me...class D can be pretty damn good right now. Seams like in the last 5 to 10 years sometimes it gives any class amp a run for its money. Would you agree? Sean...in your opinion, If you did a blind test of 5 to 10 class D and class ab amps with all things equal....would it really be that easy to tell which was which?
Honestly, class-D has been good for a long time. Over 10 years ago, Panasonic released a slim receiver that sounded more like a class-a amplifier than a class-d amp, and it only cost around $350 USD. Sony had an all-in-one SACD/Integrated amp that provided an insane amount of clarity and control for under $1000. Hell, my favorite class-D amp is a modified H20 Signature 100, which uses a B&O ICE module that's over 10 years old! I think what's changing now is the fact that class-D is no longer as hit-or-miss as it used to be. That's a good thing! The line that has historically separated the 'Class-D' sound from the conventional 'Class A/B, Class A' transistor sound has become blurred. Still, I think most class-D implementations retain that signature cool tone and slightly thin midrange. Something that should be easy to identify for experienced listeners with a good set of ears - even in a proper blind ABX test.
@@ZeroFidelity gotcha! Thanks for your feedback :)
Like to see a review of the BHK monoblocks. That’s a whole different ball game and price point
That's why I bough the Stack ! Now where's that Lottery Ticket...LOL
Quite a jump in price to the BHK level, indeed.
I loooove mine! These two are the bees knees
The main idea of a balanced amplifier is to build two copies of a design then null the artefacts of the output by it being fed a signal 180 degrees out of phase at the same time. Thus giving a pure signal. This being different to a bridged design which is more about power output.
+Zero Fidelity
Sean, thanks for the review. Do you use a consistent set of "test tracks" when evaluating and comparing all of these different components?
If so, what tracks are used (and in which format)?
Do you listen and evaluate at a measured & matched reference volume level when comparing between two or more different systems?
Thanks!
Isn't that chip a pretty dated one ? I'm not really thinking a set up like that could hang with say a pillinius integrated. Sounds like a good match maybe for an electrostat like a Maggie ribbon. If it can handle the impedence spikes.
A pillinius would lay waste to this
Dream on
I'm thinking for my 4-5 grand I'd get the Parasound P6/A21+ or the Schiit Combo (Freya, Yggy, Aegirs) or the Mytek Brooklyn Stack.
@Professor Jameson I'd have to agree but I needed the extra juice form the m700's. Or else I was thinking as you.
I picked up this system early last year---really as a holdover until the Elac Alchemy gear finally became available---and was disappointed in its lackluster performance on my Elac Adante AS-61s. After several hundred hours, they never moved past sounding "okay" at the most. When the Alchemy DDP-2 and DPA-2 arrived, even before my own burning in, they immediately sounded significantly better than the Stellar system. On. My. Speakers. Obviously your mileage may vary, depending on the speakers you're using. All I know is that the Alchemy sounded much more airy and detailed, with better low end impact.
You should give the preamp a go with a tube power amp. I run it with a Bob Carver 275 into a pair of Monitor Audio RX8 silver.
Very Nice !
True that. Was running an Oppo 205 direct into the mcintosh mc275 VI. Wasn't satisfied. Put the stellar in between. A happy camper now. Improved the sound substantially.
How would you compare this to a parasound halo? I'm just curious how your interpretation of how you believe the actual sound comparison would be with say a pair of Maggie's or Totem Hawks?
O yea..... you and Thomas are my favorite reviewers (new day is cool too). You are doing an amazing job. I have one suggestion though. You present your videos in sections. It would be awesome of you could put the time stamp of each section in the description. Just an idea.
Thanks
Nice review!
I love it when people talk about pros and cons in a meaningful way, instead of throwing around washed out buzzwords that don't make anyone the wiser.
However, a couple of ideas to improve your videos.
Overall you give a forced or stressed out impression, which makes it a little bit difficult to fully enjoy your content. I guess it’s because of the following reasons:
- First and foremost you sit too close to the camera.
- The “intros/pauses” such as "caveats" are only a few seconds, which is too short to be useful.
The analysis is better than the presentation of it.
Anyway, that's my impressions.
Keep up the good work!
My stack arrives today and I’ve paired with Goldenear Triton 3+’s. I’ll report back soon.
Well...how do you like it? Any observations you can share? Congrats on the new arrival!
Sean, what happens when you use these amps with a much better preamp or lets say a high end tube pre? Any Pre other than the PS one?
Thanks for the good/honest review, I have been debating on giving a pair of their m700’s a try along with their direct stream dac and this really helps me move forward with my purchase. I took a tour of PSAudio a few weeks back on vacations and was really impressed. Were the m700’s new or did they have a bunch of hours to break in as many state they sound better after use. The store I have been talking with offered the equipment at 30+ % off msrp!
NC 25T can you share what store that is? I’m interested in getting this.
I wonder how this would compare to the Mytek class D amps and brooklyn and then for giggle compare it to a reference class D Mola Mola monoblock Amps that are 17k and their preamp.
Umm, maybe your off on this day of recording. You called the USB input an Ethernet and the HDMI input a USB. Did Paul McGowan instruct you not to open them up? Cause it is not like you to skip that step.
Correct. Yesterday was a very rough day and I was completely off my game. Could I have re-filmed that section? Sure. And I probably should have, but I decided to upload anyway so I can move the eff on. And no, nobody instructed me to keep the lids down. I didn't showcase the inside of the gear because there's nothing interesting to see. Felt it would be a waste of time and wanted to focus more on the performance.
@@ZeroFidelity Your fan's (including me) really don't care nor would any of us pointed out your faux pa because I think (hope) smart enough to understand what you meant. A clean perfect edited Video ain't my thing but neither is an Audio review of a Dude with a GoPro on his head. Cheers Bro !
They take 100 % trade in up to 30% of MSRP- good deal
Interesting and trustworthy, as usual. I am more than curious what speakers you used to listen to these? Reason is, I am finding so much difference between the -- let's call them interfaces -- between speakers and power amplifiers. I think it means so much to the ear. Were your speakers relatively inefficient boxes, current hungry Maggies, or the "let's go run and play" like Klipsch's?
I'm not being critical. I'd just like one or two more points of calibration.
Thanks for all you do.
Jim: Klipsch Forte III's, RP600M's, Totem Sky, Buchardt S400, Buchardt S300, Mistral BOW A2, Harbeth P3ESR 40th Anniversary, Phase Technology PC1.5. Runs the gamut between low-efficiency, average efficiency, and high-efficiency speakers. Also covers limited range to (nearly) full-range speakers.
@@ZeroFidelity Brilliant. This enhances and widens the review.
Great review as always, read Pauls book. Very interesting.
I did an it's awesome. There are sections/stories in the book of situations that all of us can relate to . Whether we are Fanboy's or not.
Good review; I would like to mention that the headphone is a 1/4 inch plug, not a 1/8 inch one. I have the DAC preamp and running it through a McIntosh MC2200 200wpc amp with KEF LS50’s. Some people might find the combination a tad bright but maybe the Mac tones down what could be unacceptably so. I would like to hear your thoughts on this pairing with your Buchardts. Oh, and I’d also like to mention the excellent customer service I’ve experienced with PS Audio. They sent me a new IC chip to fix a problem with the Mute function not working when I wrote to them on their webpage. Paul wrote me back and had me call them directly to resolve the issue.
Could you compare that stack to one of Peachtree's amps? Or maybe review any Peachtree amp? Like Nova150, 300 or 500? Peachtree markets it as the best Class D amp and it garnered much renown in the US.
Excellent review, Sean! Do you think improvement could be had via cable pairing (power, interconnect, etc) to address the grit/grain in the treble?
My only problem with PS Audio is that the watts shown on the page shows only the 4 ohm value. They say it's because most modern speakers are in the 4 ohm category. The newbie will see 1200 watts and say that's a lot of power. It is, but when they buy 8 ohm speakers, they are getting 600 watts. Sort of not telling the whole truth. Makes it sound better.
I think by the time you get to buying $4000 dollar stacks of 2 channel gear you probably been around the block for a bit.
@@treblarefils Except that they say that for the Sprout100 too.
Also raised the price on that by another $100.
@@stevec5465 The impedence constantly fluctuates so many speakers that say they are 8 ohm can be more around 4 ohms anyway. They just say they are 8 ohms generic comaptible with everything value. Sensitivity is probably a better number to pay attention to. As for PSaudio stuff it has no tone control so its already a no from me just because of that. Parasound for me in this price range.
@@treblarefils Can"t afford anyway right now. It's out of my price range. I am a lower budget stereo fan, if there is such a thing. 😁
We are currently evaluating this fine combo: (www.thesoundadvocate.com)
Initial impressions confirms the monoblocks class D modules used to be exceptionally “neutral” and masterfully detailed, powerful and rich as are many of the latest class D units we’ve reviewed; (E.G- www.thesoundadvocate.com/equipment-reviews/amplification/)
Some of these newest Class D amps can, arguably, rival the best ClassA-A/B audiophile amplifiers currently available.
Your listening notes regarding the Preamp/DAC, however, can be confidently taken to heart. It most likely concerns the DAC that PS Audio has Decided on which can definitely take on some characteristics displaying a Slightly ‘sharper’ tonal balance when using excellent program sources . Indeed, not as neutral as we’ve come to observe compared to combos and separates by Peachtree, AVM, wyred4sound , CIA ......(see review at above link) to name a few.
However, as it stands now , the Monoblocks appear to be a product that can cause some considerable ENVY, from almost any esoteric audiophile amplifer manufactures- especially at its price points!!
Nice review. I’m curious though what speakers were used in your judging?
Awesome video Sean, interesting comparison. I wonder how the S300 would compare to two Emotiva PA-1 mono blocks with the same ICE module.
I know I will likely get negative comments for admitting this publicly - I have the SGCD preamp paired with the little Emotiva PA1 monoblocks and am currently THRILLED with the combo driving my Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grands. Balanced XLR to the PA1s sounds far superior to my Adcom 555 mkII monoblocks and my Anthem A5 amps. I was completely surprised for the $$$.
Hey great video, I have a question: what did this stack sound like with your Double Impacts, and can you please tell us what your "stack to be reckoned with" is, and provide a link to it, or the review of it. Thanks.
The DI's are long gone, which is a shame. I also have no 'stack' to be reckoned with. I was simply making a remark about how I'd feel of the PS Audio stack was just a bit better at this and that.
I run this stack with double impacts and I love it.
Sean, can you review Rotel RA-1592 integrated amplifier please. No body do this one.
I’m considering this system and others. I currently drive s pair of Focal 1028be speakers with a Yamaha a-s801 amp. My sources are a Rega P6 turntable with an Exact II MM cart and Marantz 6006 CD. I’m thinking of upgrading to the stack plus the new phono pre amp, or Luxman 507ux MkII or McIntosh MA7900. They would be around the same price. What are your thoughts? Which one or should I stick with the Yamaha?
Can you do an update of the stack with the PerfectWave SACD Transport putting out DSD audio?
I picked up a used SGC DAC and thinking about selling the C2300 and buying the transport.
I only paid $2000 for my Sunfire (Bob Carver) amp that drove 200 watts into 5 channels back in the nineties. Are they making components out of gold, now?
I was wondering about potential sources (laptops excluded, I’m talking about HiFi components) transporting DSD64/128 content that could make a synergistic match (through either USB or I2S) with this DAC...any suggestions?
Bought one of these to start upgrading my headphone/speaker game. Coming from the RME ADI-2 Dac Fs. At full retail, huge upgrade, but I took advantage of their trade-in program and got it for 1,275$(within 100$ of my previous unit.) Easy recommendation from me after auditioning equipment over months. It doesn't match many devices at twice it's price like some claim, but it's easy for me to say this unit punches above it's weight often. Easy recommendation from me and paired lovely with my LCD-X, ZMF Verite, and SVS Ultra towers.
Right now the Gain Cell DAC is "on sale" for $1249. PS Audio's "TRADE IN" program is a scam. They have inflated their selling prices big time to allow for trade ins. Double win for them. You should offered PS Audio a lower price and they would have accepted. Then sell your piece. Paul is a scam artist.