The fact that Yamaha's helping design this engine makes me so excited because every time they touch an engine that will go into a Toyota something legendary gets made.
I would prefer to have the option to buy a hydrogen vehicle over an EV. But at this point, living in a rural area and driving 60 miles a day and needing a truck for towing capacity, neither are on par with what I need and can afford.
@@mattrobinson5254 I defiantly don't want a Hydrogen vehicle because it uses 4X the amount of electricity and the fuel costs 16x as much. Also don't want a monopoly worse than oil companies providing my fuel . Oh and many other reasons than make it a very bad idea. People should realize Toyota is not your friend .
This is pretty cool for car enthusiasts in the future. Having a zero emission vehicle but still having an ice that can sound good, and potentially even a manual transmission would be the dream
.... Hydrogen is probably better used to power generators at a power plant than be used as a mobile transportation fuel. Sodium and not lithium battery technology will likely make this the logical outcome...
@@wokewokerman5280 You are wrong. As long as an electric car needs to stand and charge for more than 5-10 minutes to get 800km range it will not be the future. It might be there for some time but at the end, over time, we will end up with the most practical solution which is a car that can fill up to 800-1000km range in less than 5 minutes. I really don't get EV fan boys that voluntarily want a solution that is basically crap compared to what we can get.
@@Dani-it5sy ... try getting some education on energy systems, because you are so wrong on so many levels, is why few people ever see what's coming until it's here and they say oh, well....
Hydrogen Combustion Engine is not zero emission though. While the hydrogen fuel does not have any carbon that would form COx gases, the atmosphere that the engine is operating in has various gases that interact during high temperatures. Nitrogen and Oxygen would form various oxides (NOx) during combustion. Still, its a far greener option compared to petroleum based fuel combustion engines.
As an American that loves cars, as many of us do, Toyota makes a great car...thank you to our Japanese friends for interesting innovations. Let's move forward together
As an non-American that loves cars, as many of us do, Tesla makes a great car...thank you to our American friends for interesting innovations. Let's move forward together
Hydrogen makes infinitely more sense than going fully electric, in my opinion. I suspect a lot of the push for EV's is based on the stock portfolio of politicians, not the environment.
For countries like India, hydrogen powered vehicles make more sense due to the scale. The charge time of the battery will never hold up to demand of the population.
@@Hdhhdhdjsjnkoi if you were good at math and understood charging and discharging ratio of a capacitor and then multipled with the total vehicles on street everyday, you would not come up with your half ass ADHD theory.
Not just for India but for nearly every country. Plus, charging for 20-30 mins is ridiculous in this day and age. That's why electric vehicles are still so such a low percentage in auto market.
@@Athasin I am quite sure there Are 10s of thousands of gas station owners who would be over joyed to retro fit their stations to hydrogen. Having to sit parked for 6 hours to re charge a battery no thanks
@@SerenoOunce Love to know what the 10s of thousands of horrible batteries they intend on it, which are housed in plastic mind you which is made from oil lol
I hope there will be a push for this technology over electric motors and batteries. One reason is this would eliminate the issues associated with sourcing precious metals and the recycling/waste issue when the batteries are no longer useful. Another thing I like is the fast refueling time. I think that larger transport vehicles, delivery vehicles, construction and farm equipment would also benefit from this technology more so than electric technology.
I have been driving either a F150 or an F250 for 55 years. I like the comfort. I have been waiting for something like this in a pickup for a long time.
I live in ranch country, I don't know anyone that doesn't have a pickup, and they are used hard. My buddy has a '16 f150 with the 5.0. 290,000 miles with minor repairs and wear items. I just bought a new '22 myself. My last f150 was at 240,000 before I quit driving it. NEVER a single thing other than wear items, never saw a mechanic other than me.
I'd definitely buy one over any EV. This way, jobs will be kept for mechanics all over the country in addition to not creating so much lithium waste. Hopefully the issues mentioned will be worked out.
The idea of Hydrogen for Cars Good Idea! So what about Hydrogen for Generating power? That would be one of the greatest inventions of all times, Just my opinion. I'm thinking of a Hot breakfast
Toyota seems to be the leader, this is a great innovation compared to fully electric vehicle which I as 56 years old car and driving enthusiast will enjoy very much
yes a more dangerous car that is slower, more expensive to buy and operate and makes noise and still has a pollutant as a byproduct of operation is a good thing.
Let’s assume this EV thing is a well intentioned “stop-gap”, I am no engineer, actually I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either. I know some of you don’t get it, if you didn’t see it then it wasn’t for you. Back to the issue at hand, I don’t see how EV’s are better for the environment as stated. I don’t see how “America” would be able to produce the required electricity to meet the demand. Windmills and solar can’t produce enough because the wind doesn’t always blow and it’s dark sometimes. Unless we take another look at atomic energy this won’t even come close to being viable or sustainable long term. If you don’t like the geopolitics of fossil fuels just wait, they aren’t called rare earth materials for the sake of irony and these are the material needed for production of battery packs. The material extraction issue, this being bulldozers, graders, backhoes et al run on diesel and lots of it. Here’s the dirty little secret, because we don’t like atomic energy and the other sources of production I mentioned above are not reliable enough to meet demand and with consistency. Basically we are burning coal and oil “fossil fuels” to not have clean energy. The analogy is like this, If I put Tesla badging on a 2005 Ford Excursion does it make it green? I could be wrong if I am I will admit it, but I think this is more than just about the environment. Useful idiots with luxury beliefs may feel great about themselves but it’s just not realistic with current technology to assume we can meet the demand. By the way has anyone noticed America kind of sucks, guess what its only going to get worse, and although an inherent political question not an indictment of either party.
This is literally a dream come true for me, im such a die hard v8 and ICE fanboy, i was a little more than cheesed with the so called death of the ICE looming, this gives me hope
Its good idea in theory. Now its just the fact of how they are goin to get the amount of fuel onboard, safely, to have a respectable range. Right now with say a 18gallon fuel tank...that equals roughly 50miles of range for hydrogen gas. It would take roughly 97 gallons (in hydrogen gas comparison) to push a truck/car 300 miles. Thats like a giant trash bin.....plus 2 5gallon buckets in size. Hard to store that in a truck let alone a sports car or sedan.
Over 40 years ago in Toronto and many large cities in Canada, we were using a 37 percent hydrogen based fuel in taxi's , couriers, police cars and municipal vehicles. It's 104 octane propane also known as LPG. Propane is found naturally underground along with natural gas. When a barrel of oil is refined, butane and propane are byproducts of the refining of oil. About 70 percent of propane used in North America is sourced from the ground with 30 percent from the refinery process of oil.
just like our EV charging network in the UK !!. The future is hybrid cause all these greedy fossil fuel extracting companies want to continue making bumper profits for as long as possible then after they have fucked the Planet the Execs of said companies will go with Elon to Mars !!.
Been a Car head forever love the sound of a V8 revving over 5800 rpm. But my electric car has just 22 moving parts its clocked over 100,000 kms . So far just tyres and wiper blades oh! and I charge it off my home. DROPPING THE MIKE NOW !!!
The development of an engine like that would have a lot of more uses than only cars. It would be very interesting for factories, ships, airplanes, emergency support system in buildings, etc
A very viable engine! As a retired Mazda master tech; I've known of the emission of a Hydrogen powered vehicle to be ULTRA low; and the total car production can be more eviro- friendly than EV's. But the fuel storage is something that can go catastropicaly wrong. I believe it's the fuel of the future! wish my Avalon TRD ran on it
Finally someone who knows what they is talking about. I am a sustainable energy engineer myself, and all we talk about is hydrogen, hydrogen and hydrogen. Hydrogen, however, needs about 5-10 years to be viable. One of the best uses of hydrogen in the future will be for energy storage purposes. For example, sun and wind farms generate excess power -> stored in hydrogen -> converted back to clean electricity when needed. H2 is indeed the future of sustainability
If you are really a Mazda master tech I need to thank you. I have have a 99 Mazda, 5 spd manual since it was new. 253,000 miles and still runs like a top. I would rather buy a hybrid from Mazda or Toyota, than a Tesla.
The already available Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car gets 65mpg. Even if they can get this v8 working as well with hydrogen as it does with gasoline it will only get 19mpg. Why bother with noisy, polluting (NOx), inefficient combustion engines when you could use a fuel cell instead.
What do you mean by "catastrophicaly wrong" sounds like that part of the program is a rolling bomb. everyone on here is going "yayyy" I know bugs need to be worked out still or what?
This seems like a much better alternative to traditional gasoline engines as compared to EVs. The cobalt and lithium mining and human rights violations therein will always cause pause for me and limit my willingness to dive in.
and less of the mining of cobalt needed for the lithium batteries for EV's, from the Congo... From the "not all mines are modern equipment and still people mining by hand". Helps save the children and the rest in the Congo.
So true. And especially knowing that at current technology EVs emitting more co2 than hybrids and gas fuel engines in its entire lifecycle from manufacturing process and the electricity we're using for EVs mostly comes from burning fossil fuels anyway. EVs simply not ready yet
@@Tz3952ii How do you think hydrogen is produced ? it's a very inefficient process, then to burn it in an inefficient engine with maybe 25% efficiency at best. lol. Not only that but a lot of energy is needed to cool the hydrogen to -260 odd deg C for transport. Even if my ev was powered by coal it's still using it's energy at 80+% efficiency. I admit electric cars have some ways to go but for now I'm happy to be in my EV driving on cheap electricity, there's a couple of times a year I need public chargers when away from home but most of my 30,000 miles a year is done from wither my home charge point and the free work charge point.
I like it. Hope GM decides to make them so we can keep a more traditional style engine. Internal combustion engine is one of the greatest inventions of all times, in my opinion.
The Obama Administration in 2010 forced GM to dump their fully functional hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in favor of EVs. This was a requirement to receive the bailout for GM. Other companies of the same time [i.e. Toyota] also were developing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
But totalitarian communists don't want the common citizen to have his own private car. Agenda 2030 "You will not own anything and you are supposed to be happy" ... American and Western European hippies from the 1960s began to rule the world and are bringing the world and civilization to collapse! Drugs have damaged these people's brains since Agenda 2030!
I like the idea of Hydrogen for sure. Living in Australia I would be keen to find out how far a tank would get you and whether the power/torque is up there with fossil fuels.
@Geek dunno man.. we thought that for Full Electric/hybrid electric.. look at it now? decent more range, but LITHIUM ion like your Mac/phone EVERY YEAR goes LOWER RANGE moreso than combustion engine LOSS per year.. haha. Bad not being able to charge in cold, cold weather sometimes stopping? where do we PUT NEW super charging stations? its weird man... hydrogen cars.. you can just add the fuel LINES with hydrogen... no need to SIT THERE AND CHARGE on a special pump... you just add one more normal FAST (SECONDS LOADING pumps).. .:D WITH actual motor movement ZERO bad emission .. sorry we can't be haters man.
The Hyundai Nexo have a range of 600 something km. I wanted to buy it a few years ago, but then when I found out the car has to be taken to service for every 10k km, and cost up to US $1000 here where I live, I decided not to buy it. And the filling stations are down to just one in my area. Pluss you have to list yourself for filling as it can just fill up to 50 cars a day before the hydrogen fuel tank at the station goes empty. I'm curious of how this new engine will expand the range or not...?
@@Fay-el The ICE Engine will be considerably less efficient, the thermodynamics of an UCE mean that you can expect 200km range on the same tank as an Mirai or Nexo…
To start with: I am absolutely a believer in the possibilities of H-engines! But as has honestly been stated in this Toyota ‘commercial’ there are still a number of set backs. Many of them already have been addressed by one of the best cars making factory as Toyota ! But where does this Hydrogen comes from? It takes lots of energy/electricity ( from oil, gas,coal,nuclear power, solar?) to produce sufficient amounts of H fuell to make the mobile world go round. This transition of one type of energy to another causes a loss in costly energy again to start with by lowering the efficiency. If you use it in a hybrid engine, you lose once again efficiency and by this a part of this H-energy, to make electricity out of Hydrogen to load your batteries to make your electric engine in your car work…. So, summarising it: there are two main issues to be dealth with IMHO. Firstly the practical technical ones, concerning the ‘mechanical’ problems. To make the car work safe and longstanding. Secondly one has to overcome the loss in efficiency once or even twice or more because of every transition of one type of energy to another. This has to be durable to make it a really truefull story and to enjoy there is just H2O ( water) leaving the tailpipe! PM Giant factories are already planned for by Shell a.o. to produce Hydrogen. As the industry will also make this switch from oil etc to Hydrogen caused by the public and govermental demand and financial (tax) incentives. And the reward of this Hydrogen engine will be besides all of the above the beautifull sound of a real combustion engine! This is the reward for the petrolheads indeed! I rest my case :))
I love the internal combustion engine and I’ve always dreamed of one that ran on hydrogen instead of gasoline. What a perfect combo. Like Laurel and Hardy, cookies and milk. Whatever. Good job guys.
Toyota has the most hybrid technology patents of any company in the world. They have spent millions of dollars on hydrogen technology and hydrogen powered with solid-state. Battery will be the future and Toyota will be the leader.😊❤😊
I remember Metal Hydrides for Hydrogen storage being discussed in Scientific American magazine back in the 1980's. I'm guessing that the technology was a dead end as it faded from being mentioned since then. Any one else know anything about this?
why? batter tech and electric motors get better and better every year and already out perform all ICE vehicles in speed and cost of operation...why is it better?
The H2 powerd ICE engine is like reinventing a horse carriage with latest composites and computers on board- its engine is more complex and components laden so making all the extra heavy components shall be more CO2 intensive and costly, when fuel cell technology can power all stationary industrial activity one doesn't need to go back to reinventing the wheel with hydrogen ICE engine
The problem you didn't address is range. You said it's longer, but it's not, and not by a lot. Toyota's ICE hydrogen engine only gets about 20 miles per kg of hydrogen if you're really gentle on the throttle. The Fuel Cell Mirai gets 65-70mi/kg. Using the Mirai's storage tanks of 5.65kg, you'd get 113 miles of range in an ICE version. Hopefully, Toyota can increase efficiency to better that. In their race car that stored the hydrogen as a gas, they had to stop every 20 miles to refill because it was only getting about 4mi/kg racing. They finished the race but in last place. This year they stored it as cryogenic cooled liquid hydrogen to decrease fill times to a little over a minute and increase range. Still last place by far.
More parts to service for profit and the explosive thing plus no fuelling stations has this dead in the water. As more people see the simplicity and minimal costs for running EVs these less efficient and more costly modes of transport will fade away
I love the idea of combustion engine being clean nothing sounds better than a combustion engine hopefully they can make it a good option soon not a big fan of all electric cars, they are fast but it’s just like a big golf cart the front of Tesla model 3 looks like a big golf cart and I’m big fan of Toyota and Lexus cars so would love to be able to get a clean 5.0 Toyota or Lexus in the near future I mean look at the lfa what a amazing sounding engine that is that’s music to my ears I have to have more of that so I’m crossing my fingers that Toyota pulls this technology off so I don’t have to by a big golf cart , I can always keep the old combustion car running like a 1994 Supra with a turbo 2jz Thanks!
The problem is how are they going to fit the amount of hydrogen needed to get the car/truck to go 300miles per fill up (which with this tech is about 97gallons). And of course price of hydrogen is pretty expensive. Roughly $18 a gallon.
Very exciting news about the hydrogen combustion engine. With its range, power and durability, I much prefer this over a fully electric vehicle. I will not even buy an electric vehicle. I will wait until the technology for the hydrogen combustion engine makes this more practical and then I will look forward to buying this. I’m definitely a future customer.
This is great and all but the biggest problem here is storing a large quantity of hydrogen in one place for people to refuel. Accidents happens and hydrogen does not forgive.
The engine components particularly the armoured hydrogen fuel storage looks like the making of future space exploration technology, upgraded spaceship engines and engines with the power to drive machinery on other planets in inhospitable environments.
Very good point in fact, since hydrogen is abundant everywhere or can be extracted through electrolysis on any icy planet, making a hydrogen engine gives a generator with infinite fuel.
Hydrogen fuel cells are one of the only reasons we made it to the moon, with clean water and power. This tech has been around so long it's all by design. I've been preaching that the future is Hydrogen for decades, and due to oil profits it was shelved and covered up on purpose for civilians. Military has been using it successfully for decades so has NASA... It's one of the unknown knowns.
Perfect, now all they need to do is work out how to make green hydrogen 3 times more efficient to make to be the same efficiency as putting renewable electricity straight into a EV ;0)
Red hydrogen should be the solution for that. Japan has some work done on this end with the goal of making large amounts of hydrogen cheaply via a new nuclear reactor design, their research estimates put it a bit cheaper than gas in Japan if that's deployed in large scale. The reason is due to the jump in efficiency, since this uses thermolysis and not electrolysis to produce hydrogen which removes the roundtrip penalty for "electricity => hydrogen => electricity". Hydrogen would essentially be a byproduct of the nuclear plant.
LCAs are subject to multiple levels of uncertainty, but an assessment published by the Journal of Cleaner Production in 2021 shatters the notion that electric cars are cleaner than conventional ones, much less “zero emission.” The LCA found that manufacturing, charging, operating, and disposing of electric vehicles produces more of every major category of pollutants than conventional cars. This includes: an increase in fine particulate matter formation (26%), human carcinogenic (20%) and non-carcinogenic toxicity (61%), terrestrial ecotoxicity (31%), freshwater ecotoxicity (39%), and marine ecotoxicity (41%) relative to petrol vehicles.
Hydrogen Tundra or Tacoma? Im in. It's difficult to charge an EV with solar in the winter in Canada and the cold reduces your range quite a bit if you want to run the heater.
I for one will never buy an Electric vehicle. Now Hydrogen is another story, Toyota is proving that its working, if they can get the bugs worked out and make them safe to drive, I am all for it Would like to see Ford and GM invest in this technology and back away from EV's.
The user has already chosen. New cars registration in central Europe for example is 17% BEV and it's a new technology. From history (I'm told) one can estimate that a technology then goes beyond 11% has finally made it. As far as statistics are saying, the Mirai and other H2 cars are at 0.0x%
Hmm, I'm not so sure. There's a few things not touched on in the video. Filling a car with hydrogen whether it's ICE or FC will take the same time. Efficiency of H2 ICE will be much lower than H2 FC so range will be considerably lower. While a mechanical engine may be easier to work on and repair, it has many more moving parts to fail and also requires a far more complex transmission than the FC car. It'll also require lubricant oils and coolants that the FC car won't. The only advantage that I can see that there might be is greener production of the engine itself. But with the lower efficiency even that may be offset before the end of the cars useful life.
I was hearing something about a hydrogen fuel that is more like a jell. It wouldn't require high pressure and a lot less flammable. They get some things worked out and the availability is there. I'd go Hydrogen Hybrid Toyota all the way!
In Europe, we've gotten used to a 1000-1300 km range between refueling. As far as I know math, if you put this thing in a car, you'll get maybe a 50-60 km range on a conventional size tank. This thing would never stick with European buyers. Maybe it can be used in trucks, once a kg of H2 drops under 6EUR?
People need to stop expecting such ridiculous range. If you need to travel that far you should take the train instead, then hire a bev to drive when you get there.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I kind of agree with you but there are also the limits imposed by the infrastructure availability fo refuling. I think that in France, where I live, the existent gas stations could take maybe 30-50 percent trafic increase, after that, the waiting time would be horrendeus, as it already is for the electric cars. The real solution is less people having cars, driving less or having smaller, lighter cars, but that is not happening anytime soon. Nothing changes the fact that this hydrogen engine is just an excercize in technology and not a practicaly usable product.
@@thetruthh.8836 I guess that I shouldn't generalize when saying Europe but in the west, as in the east, I don't know many people who are fans of refueling often. In France, where I live, many people would have a problem charging their electric cars at home and there are often lines when buying conventional combustible fuels at gas stations. Even more people would have a problem buying one. If everybody would go electric the national production of electricity would have to go up at least 20 percent and the carbon emissions would decrease by maybe ten percent, I guess that there are ways of decreasing the carbon emissions by that amount with a lot less of lithium mining. I guess that the electric transition is applicable in countries that have a GDP per capita above 50000 EUR but this is still an exclusive club, especially on a planetary level. Either way, any car is better than a high power, 50km range hydrogen guzzler.
The issue with hydrogen is refill station network. How going to invest in building the refil station and hydrogen distribution logistics. That will be the main roadblock for hydrogen power vehicles. Overall efficiency is not as good as battery ev if hydrogen will be produce using electrolysis it still need to compress with high pressure that require energy also energy to transport to the distribution station that why it will be difficult for hydrogen vehicles to be wildly adopted.
Great idea if you can develop an extensive refilling infrastructure to support hydrogen vehicles. It's a chicken/egg problem, but you have to have both. BTW - plugin EVs are suitable for short local trips, but are totally unsuited for long-distance cross-country trips.
The hell you talking about. I just went with my family to Savannah from Miami and it took us 10 hours in a Kia EV6. We stopped to charge about 3 times, each charge was about 25 minutes to 100%. In my Honda Pilot, the same trip would be about 9 to 10 hours. EV cars are getting faster charging.
EV’s are a good idea, it will just take time to get there. The clean energy infrastructure, battery technology and charging will have to get better. But it’s coming along nicely. As someone else mentioned.
I'm very hopeful this will provide eco-friendly vehicles. My only concern at this time is safety during an accident. Working with fire departments I saw the concern connected with some accidents where the batteries when damaged leaked acid. Discharged/leaking acid can be dangerous to rescue personnel as well as providing other hazardous situations. Hydrogen containers when breached could provide challenging situations . . . but so can gas.
Very good point. At the end of the video, it clearly states that this technology is a very challenging goal as the safety of keeping hydrogen tanks is not an easy task. I would personally be scared driving woth one of those tanks underneath my seat
I saw a story out of Denver that was about additional training for dealing with an EV fire. The Fire Captain they spoke to said lithium ion batteries burn longer and hotter than gasoline. And that putting water on the fire adds to the toxicity of the fire from the smoke.
@@FuzzyStarburst Having faith in the honesty and sincerity of capitalist corporations, especially when it comes to matters environmental, is just too naïve for my personal tastes, but you make your own lifestyle choices hon. Also, you *have* heard of markets containing more than just one brand, right?
The bottom line is that BEV and Hydrogen powered cars can be powered from low carbon electricity. CNG still contains carbon which is released when you burn it. So while it's an improvement over oil it is not sufficient. I don't think it's worth developing and building infrastructure to support a whole different technology that cannot be part of the long term solution. BEVs are somewhat heavy and more resource intensive to make, but extremely efficient. About 90% of the electricity you start with ends up driving the wheels. Making hydrogen is inefficient. By the time you get to turning the wheels they are about 1/3 the efficiency of a BEV. HFC is for people who are in too much of a hurry to charge their battery and don't mind paying 5x as much to power their car for the luxury of a fast fill up. Hydrogen ICE is another factor of 3 less efficient than HFC. It makes no sense for actually travelling anywhere. It would only be used by very rich people who like the sound of an engine and want to drive it for short distances just for fun. If you kept the tank the same size as a typical car you would only get about 50 miles of range with this engine.
2:47 Not sure if this is an old video, but Honda canceled the Clarity FCEV last year. Only the Mirai and Nexo are the two models sold in the world currently.
@@jaidenmatlock302 never in my life will i ever buy a manual again. the sheer stupidness of constantly shifting gears from 1 to 2 and back again in heavy traffic(wich in belgium is everywhere) is frustrating as hell.
Note that extracting it, storing it and putting it into your car wastes a lot of energy and hydrogen overall. Hydrogen stations are also much more expensive to construct compared to Electric of Fuel stations
Honestly I'd love to see Toyota and Honda continue to develop these. With green hydrogen and fueling infrastructure i think it could make a significant difference. With that said Hydrogen ICEs need to find a way to cut Nitrogen oxide emissions admittedly but that might just be fixed with a certain catalyst and air to fuel ratio.
To the informed, there's no new technology in this video...and somewhat conveniently it doesn't mention hydrogens' most significant issue. The issue which makes it unscalable to any considerable extent and which has stopped hydrogen from being a reality instead of a dream!
@@eliasl.6902 "which is what?"...hydrogen is scaleable, but the process of turning hydrocarbons into hydrogen is extremely inefficient and polluting, hence hydrocarbons are better deployed in their natural state. 'Green' hydrogen is the green energy panacea. Unfortunately, the technology to manufacture ubiquitous green hydrogen hasn't yet come to pass. In other words, it takes a huge amount of green, diffuse, intermittent energy (wind and solar) to make a tiny amount of green hydrogen gas.
I heard, that the efficiency of traditional ICE and H2 ICE are similar. Using a fuel cell and electric motor is a much more efficient way to convert H2 to power
Not very. If you take the same amount of fuel thats in your average truck and put the same amount of hydrogen gas in.....it would get about 50miles (driving conservatively). It would take roughly 97gallons of hydrogen gas to push a truck 300miles. Then add the price tag of $18 a gallon.
@@MrZauberwuerfel no H2 ICE isnt as efficient as Petrol. But you are correct Hydrogen fuel cell is the most efficient form. But then you lose your sound output.
The electric cars have a lot less moving parts than ICE cars, while the hydrogen ICE cars even have more moving parts than ICE cars, people are always used the less moving parts on their vehicles.
Nothing is zero emission. You just move the emission away from the car. The fuel that runs the car be it hydrogen, electricity, is not produced resulting in zero emissions. The more practical question would be how efficient is it?
Hyandai has began exporting hydrogen trucks to Europe but they are medium rigid. Toyota built a powertrain they installed in a Kenworth for proof of concept which is already going into full production
Perhaps safety is a critical issue considering the very explosive fuel in face of severe crashes and aging of supply tanks/pipes. The Hindenburg disaster is still there to remind us.
Would like to be able to buy another Tundra with a V-8 Power! Something you can drive for half a day, pull over, fill up and keep on going. That’s all going to take time to install the infrastructure for fueling as well. We can see EV’s aren’t there yet, and realistically won’t be, especially when it comes to non urban areas.
Hydrogen may be highly flammable but its smaller molecule means it disperses quicker than LNG. The big problems with hydrogen as a combustion gas are that (a) the world cannot make green hydrogen in sufficient quantity to make this car truly clean and (b) burning hydrogen produces more NOX than a regular gasoline engine, so more intense scrubbing is required. So in effect, its less efficient, less clean and more expensive.
It actually a by product along with CO2 in some emission. So times a million equals many water molecules, could contribute to flooding and change weather pattern? But otherwise they escaped to space and could means a competitive landscape be carbon vs oxygen for hydrogen??
why? they are slower than EVs...is it just case they make noise? Just buy an EV and go vroom vroom when you step on the gas and embarrass anyone who isnt in a supercar next to you.
While I love Tesla, fully electric vehicles have no place in Europe due to weather. We could see as an example over last few weeks we had a little bit of frost here in the UK and the disasster happened. All of the sudden the range of all EVs dropped by 75% due to cold weather. With the range of 65 miles when fully charged, your chance of getting to work are very slim.
wish Toyota overcome all the hurdles and successfully come up with a safe and cost effective hydrogen engine. someone tell me if electricity can be produced cleanly without fossil fuels or nuclear power (not hundred percent pollution safe), then go for it.
I am sure its fine when your not in a car accident. If you are in one watch Hydrogen formula cars how they catch fire. the fire is clear so you cant see it.
@@kawa1755 well my gasoline doesnt escape my car the way hydrogen tries to. Invisible fire doesnt sound too safe too. But it was just a comment about hiding issues in an otherwise optimistic presentation.
I am reminded of Engr. Daniel Dingle, a Filipino inventor who ran his car fueled by water H2O only, through his hydrogen reactor, to fuel the engine. His idea comes into fruition not in his native country but in other country. Thank you Japan.
It is not an idea, he is the one who discovered it. I guess japan will copy cat again. But don't worry we have another invention that can power using earths frequency and other celestial objects.
@@jaredgalvin lol what? You haven’t heard of Molotov cocktails? Are you also trying to imply that a hydrogen tank will turn into a nuclear fusion hydrogen bomb😂
Makes perfect sense. ICE cars breathe like we do, they have a rhythmic "heart beat" of the engine that you can feel, and are very mechanical like we are.
You need to see the fuel tank test videos from Toyota. It takes 2 armor piercing bullets fired at the same spot to pierce the shell. And when it did the gas dissipates faster than any chance of it igniting/exploding
They are creating more complex vehicles that requires more parts to maintain and repair instead of focusing on electric once which barely cost anything to maintain
The fact that Yamaha's helping design this engine makes me so excited because every time they touch an engine that will go into a Toyota something legendary gets made.
to mention hydrogen is very energy dense, I can't wait to see what's possible to make hehe
Yamaha also has teamed up with Toyota for a Lexus hydrogen side by side off road vehicle 🙂👌🏼🚀✔️
Like Toyota Supra (the old one)
If anyone can make it work it’s them I like the idea of this so much more to EV’s but I know it’s a long way away still
I hope for your case, it’s a pre-Renault Nissan.
I would definitely buy one of these cars any day over an EV.
That’s probably not true, unless you never drive very far.
I would prefer to have the option to buy a hydrogen vehicle over an EV. But at this point, living in a rural area and driving 60 miles a day and needing a truck for towing capacity, neither are on par with what I need and can afford.
@@mattrobinson5254 most people don’t drive outside of their state 🤷🏻♂️
@@markgilbert218 Even if they do, EV's are the last option on their mind. Nothing beats Diesel in long distance.
@@mattrobinson5254 I defiantly don't want a Hydrogen vehicle because it uses 4X the amount of electricity and the fuel costs 16x as much. Also don't want a monopoly worse than oil companies providing my fuel . Oh and many other reasons than make it a very bad idea. People should realize Toyota is not your friend .
This is pretty cool for car enthusiasts in the future. Having a zero emission vehicle but still having an ice that can sound good, and potentially even a manual transmission would be the dream
.... Hydrogen is probably better used to power generators at a power plant than be used as a mobile transportation fuel. Sodium and not lithium battery technology will likely make this the logical outcome...
@@wokewokerman5280 You are wrong. As long as an electric car needs to stand and charge for more than 5-10 minutes to get 800km range it will not be the future. It might be there for some time but at the end, over time, we will end up with the most practical solution which is a car that can fill up to 800-1000km range in less than 5 minutes. I really don't get EV fan boys that voluntarily want a solution that is basically crap compared to what we can get.
@@Dani-it5sy ... try getting some education on energy systems, because you are so wrong on so many levels, is why few people ever see what's coming until it's here and they say oh, well....
@@wokewokerman5280 I think it is you that is not fully educated.
Hydrogen Combustion Engine is not zero emission though.
While the hydrogen fuel does not have any carbon that would form COx gases, the atmosphere that the engine is operating in has various gases that interact during high temperatures.
Nitrogen and Oxygen would form various oxides (NOx) during combustion.
Still, its a far greener option compared to petroleum based fuel combustion engines.
As an American that loves cars, as many of us do, Toyota makes a great car...thank you to our Japanese friends for interesting innovations. Let's move forward together
As an non-American that loves cars, as many of us do, Tesla makes a great car...thank you to our American friends for interesting innovations. Let's move forward together
@@briansexton2319 yeah but no funny noises
I would much prefer one of these to an EV.
Keep up the excellent work guys.
Hydrogen makes infinitely more sense than going fully electric, in my opinion. I suspect a lot of the push for EV's is based on the stock portfolio of politicians, not the environment.
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@@ben2687 Its 405% electric because it uses 405% electricity. I don't like the fact the fuel costs 1600% more either.
For countries like India, hydrogen powered vehicles make more sense due to the scale. The charge time of the battery will never hold up to demand of the population.
Indians are like 90% with adhd and so they wont have time to wait until its charged :/ , any way well see how this engineering is going on
@@Hdhhdhdjsjnkoi if you were good at math and understood charging and discharging ratio of a capacitor and then multipled with the total vehicles on street everyday, you would not come up with your half ass ADHD theory.
Battery puts country depend on some other country. Hydrogen will give energy independence to India
Not just for India but for nearly every country. Plus, charging for 20-30 mins is ridiculous in this day and age. That's why electric vehicles are still so such a low percentage in auto market.
@TearsofBlood sorry but try look at nordic or north europe.
1.5 min to fill up vs 45 min to 6 hours to recharge a battery is a HUGE selling point in my eyes.
Downside. No hydrogen fuel stations available in the US outside of California.
Bing able to fill up at home is a HUGE selling point in my eyes.
@@Athasin I am quite sure there Are 10s of thousands of gas station owners who would be over joyed to retro fit their stations to hydrogen. Having to sit parked for 6 hours to re charge a battery no thanks
And a 45 min - 6 hr drive to find a fuel station.
@@SerenoOunce Love to know what the 10s of thousands of horrible batteries they intend on it, which are housed in plastic mind you which is made from oil lol
Toyota never cease to amaze me. May all your hard work be into fruition. 👏👏👏❤️
Toyota makes a lot really dependable and reliable units Quality is usually really high
Buick says hi from 1974
Toyota is going down.
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I hope there will be a push for this technology over electric motors and batteries. One reason is this would eliminate the issues associated with sourcing precious metals and the recycling/waste issue when the batteries are no longer useful. Another thing I like is the fast refueling time. I think that larger transport vehicles, delivery vehicles, construction and farm equipment would also benefit from this technology more so than electric technology.
@CareFreeVT You do realize it uses 4x the electricity and the fuel cost is 16X more with shorter range? Its basically a hoax .
a hydrogen tank exploding will sound over a mile loud and the blast effect will level out at least 30 feet feet of buildings
Hydrogen also require battery
I have been driving either a F150 or an F250 for 55 years. I like the comfort. I have been waiting for something like this in a pickup for a long time.
I'm sure your mechanic loves you also because you probably built his house.
@@Democrats_R_Clueless Huh?
@@Democrats_R_Clueless So? If knotbumper was satisfied with his vehicles than it was a win-win. Man, your level of ignorance is epic.
@@knotbumper He's trying to make a shitty Ford joke that's been played out since probably 1994.
I live in ranch country, I don't know anyone that doesn't have a pickup, and they are used hard. My buddy has a '16 f150 with the 5.0. 290,000 miles with minor repairs and wear items. I just bought a new '22 myself. My last f150 was at 240,000 before I quit driving it. NEVER a single thing other than wear items, never saw a mechanic other than me.
I'd definitely buy one over any EV. This way, jobs will be kept for mechanics all over the country in addition to not creating so much lithium waste. Hopefully the issues mentioned will be worked out.
I'm going to buy a horse and carriage so jobs are kept for buggy whip manufacturers.
@@dansanger5340 Don't forget about the carriage makers! They need jobs too. You'll keep poop scoopers employed too!
@@dansanger5340 Don't forget to invest in brothels so your mom can keep her job.
@@rodman50 Californians already have poop scoopers 😂
The idea of Hydrogen for Cars Good Idea! So what about Hydrogen for Generating power? That would be one of the greatest inventions of all times, Just my opinion. I'm thinking of a Hot breakfast
Toyota seems to be the leader, this is a great innovation compared to fully electric vehicle which I as 56 years old car and driving enthusiast will enjoy very much
yes a more dangerous car that is slower, more expensive to buy and operate and makes noise and still has a pollutant as a byproduct of operation is a good thing.
@@bodhisfattva7462 it is still far better than the emissions of a regular car
Culturally they are decades ahead. I work with some of their senior leaders, they are awesome people. Genuine and capable.
@@bodhisfattva7462 evs pollute whats your point.
@@bodhisfattva7462 every 1 ton of lithium produced causes 15 ton of co2
Before tesla... TOYOTA HAS BEEN THE BENCH MARK OF AUTOMOTIVE ADVANCEMENTS... JAPAN HAS THE LEADING BRAND IN THE WORLD. 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
Jp doom , china ev overtake the world
Toyota = Kodak
Toyota bankrupt before 2030...
@Mika Filtenborg. Hah, you'll be dead before Toyota starts to lose profits.
before..
maybe because they buy BMWs, audis etc strip them down and copy the best way they can
Absolutely I would buy one…price point and refuelling places would be needed…I have been waiting for these…
Let’s assume this EV thing is a well intentioned “stop-gap”, I am no engineer, actually I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either. I know some of you don’t get it, if you didn’t see it then it wasn’t for you.
Back to the issue at hand, I don’t see how EV’s are better for the environment as stated.
I don’t see how “America” would be able to produce the required electricity to meet the demand.
Windmills and solar can’t produce enough because the wind doesn’t always blow and it’s dark sometimes.
Unless we take another look at atomic energy this won’t even come close to being viable or sustainable long term.
If you don’t like the geopolitics of fossil fuels just wait, they aren’t called rare earth materials for the sake of irony and these are the material needed for production of battery packs.
The material extraction issue, this being bulldozers, graders, backhoes et al run on diesel and lots of it.
Here’s the dirty little secret, because we don’t like atomic energy and the other sources of production I mentioned above are not reliable enough to meet demand and with consistency.
Basically we are burning coal and oil “fossil fuels” to not have clean energy.
The analogy is like this, If I put Tesla badging on a 2005 Ford Excursion does it make it green?
I could be wrong if I am I will admit it, but I think this is more than just about the environment.
Useful idiots with luxury beliefs may feel great about themselves but it’s just not realistic with current technology to assume we can meet the demand.
By the way has anyone noticed America kind of sucks, guess what its only going to get worse, and although an inherent political question not an indictment of either party.
This is literally a dream come true for me, im such a die hard v8 and ICE fanboy, i was a little more than cheesed with the so called death of the ICE looming, this gives me hope
Its good idea in theory. Now its just the fact of how they are goin to get the amount of fuel onboard, safely, to have a respectable range. Right now with say a 18gallon fuel tank...that equals roughly 50miles of range for hydrogen gas. It would take roughly 97 gallons (in hydrogen gas comparison) to push a truck/car 300 miles. Thats like a giant trash bin.....plus 2 5gallon buckets in size. Hard to store that in a truck let alone a sports car or sedan.
If this is available at all it will only be in just for fun cars, not sensible vehicles for actually travelling.
More options is always a good thing. Let people choose whatever they please.
Even bad options are better than no options at all.
Thanks to capitalism
Not to mention more options usually means more competition, which also usually means better prices for the end-user.
Batteries are lame. You never get what they say and it only gets worse from there.
@@geek8001 You're probably right
Over 40 years ago in Toronto and many large cities in Canada, we were using a 37 percent hydrogen based fuel in taxi's , couriers, police cars and municipal vehicles. It's 104 octane propane also known as LPG. Propane is found naturally underground along with natural gas. When a barrel of oil is refined, butane and propane are byproducts of the refining of oil. About 70 percent of propane used in North America is sourced from the ground with 30 percent from the refinery process of oil.
Toyota is working on bio gas too. We'll see how this will go in the next few decades
LPG is hydrogen?
@@teeess9551 Seriously? He clearly typed PROPANE
@@anggaros1 So what's it got to do with HYDRODEN, genius?
@@teeess9551 using what we already got maybe?
Hi everyone. I'm the inventor of the hydrogen engine, was a pleasure listening to your positive feedback. Sincerely giant Pikachu.
I'm glad to see the nitrous oxide problem was (somewhat) fixed. Now for the problem of the almost non-existent H2 fueling network. 🙁
just like our EV charging network in the UK !!. The future is hybrid cause all these greedy fossil fuel extracting companies want to continue making bumper profits for as long as possible then after they have fucked the Planet the Execs of said companies will go with Elon to Mars !!.
Been a Car head forever love the sound of a V8 revving over 5800 rpm. But my electric car has just 22 moving parts its clocked over 100,000 kms . So far just tyres and wiper blades oh! and I charge it off my home. DROPPING THE MIKE NOW !!!
sad...very sad. erm whats the mike drop for.
are trying to make out you have saved money lol
The development of an engine like that would have a lot of more uses than only cars. It would be very interesting for factories, ships, airplanes, emergency support system in buildings, etc
Rolls Royce is already working on hydrogen powered jet engine for airplanes. Hopefully soon we might see one operational.
What about hydrogen fueled power plants?
@@ghanna7787 Amen
@@ghanna7787 that would really make no sense, because hydrogen is made using electricity from power plants.
@@ghanna7787 why use hydrogen when we have nuclear energy
People literally driving bombs down the road, really cool but that's rocket fuel in a compressed tank... they're bombs.
A very viable engine! As a retired Mazda master tech; I've known of the emission of a Hydrogen powered vehicle to be ULTRA low; and the total car production can be more eviro- friendly than EV's. But the fuel storage is something that can go catastropicaly wrong. I believe it's the fuel of the future! wish my Avalon TRD ran on it
Finally someone who knows what they is talking about. I am a sustainable energy engineer myself, and all we talk about is hydrogen, hydrogen and hydrogen. Hydrogen, however, needs about 5-10 years to be viable. One of the best uses of hydrogen in the future will be for energy storage purposes. For example, sun and wind farms generate excess power -> stored in hydrogen -> converted back to clean electricity when needed. H2 is indeed the future of sustainability
If you are really a Mazda master tech I need to thank you. I have have a 99 Mazda, 5 spd manual since it was new. 253,000 miles and still runs like a top. I would rather buy a hybrid from Mazda or Toyota, than a Tesla.
The already available Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car gets 65mpg. Even if they can get this v8 working as well with hydrogen as it does with gasoline it will only get 19mpg. Why bother with noisy, polluting (NOx), inefficient combustion engines when you could use a fuel cell instead.
What do you mean by "catastrophicaly wrong" sounds like that part of the program is a rolling bomb. everyone on here is going "yayyy" I know bugs need to be worked out still or what?
Hydrogen cars are great until you look at the emissions from production of hydrogen.
This seems like a much better alternative to traditional gasoline engines as compared to EVs. The cobalt and lithium mining and human rights violations therein will always cause pause for me and limit my willingness to dive in.
You do know that fuel cell manufacture requires platinum?
and less of the mining of cobalt needed for the lithium batteries for EV's, from the Congo... From the "not all mines are modern equipment and still people mining by hand".
Helps save the children and the rest in the Congo.
So true. And especially knowing that at current technology EVs emitting more co2 than hybrids and gas fuel engines in its entire lifecycle from manufacturing process and the electricity we're using for EVs mostly comes from burning fossil fuels anyway. EVs simply not ready yet
@@Brian-om2hh You do know that hydrogen ICE and fuel cell are two different things?
@@Tz3952ii How do you think hydrogen is produced ? it's a very inefficient process, then to burn it in an inefficient engine with maybe 25% efficiency at best. lol. Not only that but a lot of energy is needed to cool the hydrogen to -260 odd deg C for transport.
Even if my ev was powered by coal it's still using it's energy at 80+% efficiency.
I admit electric cars have some ways to go but for now I'm happy to be in my EV driving on cheap electricity, there's a couple of times a year I need public chargers when away from home but most of my 30,000 miles a year is done from wither my home charge point and the free work charge point.
Yes I would buy one , and I think Mazda is my choice with it's new triple rotary trans Axel patent
Toyota is the way forward ♥️♥️♥️
I like it. Hope GM decides to make them so we can keep a more traditional style engine. Internal combustion engine is one of the greatest inventions of all times, in my opinion.
It's very inefficient. That v8 engine gets 19mpg. The Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car gets 65mpg.
GM will only f things up
The Obama Administration in 2010 forced GM to dump their fully functional hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in favor of EVs. This was a requirement to receive the bailout for GM. Other companies of the same time [i.e. Toyota] also were developing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.
If you consider 30% efficiency a great number
But totalitarian communists don't want the common citizen to have his own private car. Agenda 2030 "You will not own anything and you are supposed to be happy" ... American and Western European hippies from the 1960s began to rule the world and are bringing the world and civilization to collapse! Drugs have damaged these people's brains since Agenda 2030!
I like the idea of Hydrogen for sure. Living in Australia I would be keen to find out how far a tank would get you and whether the power/torque is up there with fossil fuels.
@Geek dunno man.. we thought that for Full Electric/hybrid electric.. look at it now? decent more range, but LITHIUM ion like your Mac/phone EVERY YEAR goes LOWER RANGE moreso than combustion engine LOSS per year.. haha. Bad not being able to charge in cold, cold weather sometimes stopping? where do we PUT NEW super charging stations? its weird man... hydrogen cars.. you can just add the fuel LINES with hydrogen... no need to SIT THERE AND CHARGE on a special pump... you just add one more normal FAST (SECONDS LOADING pumps).. .:D WITH actual motor movement ZERO bad emission .. sorry we can't be haters man.
@Geek did you even watch the video?
The Hyundai Nexo have a range of 600 something km. I wanted to buy it a few years ago, but then when I found out the car has to be taken to service for every 10k km, and cost up to US $1000 here where I live, I decided not to buy it. And the filling stations are down to just one in my area. Pluss you have to list yourself for filling as it can just fill up to 50 cars a day before the hydrogen fuel tank at the station goes empty. I'm curious of how this new engine will expand the range or not...?
@@Fay-el The ICE Engine will be considerably less efficient, the thermodynamics of an UCE mean that you can expect 200km range on the same tank as an Mirai or Nexo…
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 the nexo has a range of 600+ km. Didn't quite get your 200 km range
The people at Toyota engineer fantastic cars. Highly respected. Even the old landcruisers with high mileage are in demand in Oz.
Yep but must remember oz market is at mania levels. Pen pushers driving Utes with snorkels that never not see a sealed road is not normal lol
To start with: I am absolutely a believer in the possibilities of H-engines!
But as has honestly been stated in this Toyota ‘commercial’ there are still a number of set backs.
Many of them already have been addressed by one of the best cars making factory as Toyota !
But where does this Hydrogen comes from? It takes lots of energy/electricity ( from oil, gas,coal,nuclear power, solar?) to produce sufficient amounts of H fuell to make the mobile world go round. This transition of one type of energy to another causes a loss in costly energy again to start with by lowering the efficiency.
If you use it in a hybrid engine, you lose once again efficiency and by this a part of this H-energy, to make electricity out of Hydrogen to load your batteries to make your electric engine in your car work….
So, summarising it: there are two main issues to be dealth with IMHO.
Firstly the practical technical ones, concerning the ‘mechanical’ problems. To make the car work safe and longstanding.
Secondly one has to overcome the loss in efficiency once or even twice or more because of every transition of one type of energy to another. This has to be durable to make it a really truefull story and to enjoy there is just H2O ( water) leaving the tailpipe!
PM Giant factories are already planned for by Shell a.o. to produce Hydrogen. As the industry will also make this switch from oil etc to Hydrogen caused by the public and govermental demand and financial (tax) incentives.
And the reward of this Hydrogen engine will be besides all of the above the beautifull sound of a real combustion engine!
This is the reward for the petrolheads indeed!
I rest my case :))
this is amazing. the more good options for environmentally friendly vehicles the better
Great move for Toyota!
I love the internal combustion engine and I’ve always dreamed of one that ran on hydrogen instead of gasoline. What a perfect combo. Like Laurel and Hardy, cookies and milk. Whatever.
Good job guys.
It's very inefficient. That v8 engine gets 19mpg. The Toyota mirai hydrogen fuel cell car gets 65mpg.
Republicans and the common man.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 yea. Keep the ICE but use hydrogen instead of gas. That’s what it’s all about.
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Never ever in the history of the Automobil did anyone ever buy a car with a V8 to get good range.
@Geek why is that? I’ve seen in chemistry class how explosive hydrogen gas is. Why not just use it to replace gasoline?
Toyota has the most hybrid technology patents of any company in the world. They have spent millions of dollars on hydrogen technology and hydrogen powered with solid-state. Battery will be the future and Toyota will be the leader.😊❤😊
Sitting on top of high pressure explosive device feels great.
and more impressive when you read praise comments 😅
Battery fire can't hardly be put out
And a fuel tank is not flammable/explosive?
@@mendoblendo321 pressurised hydrogen tank doesn’t give u time to put the fire out 🔥 😂
I saw a Chevy Nomad converted to hydrogen in 1970. On top of that, it used a hydride (solid)
I remember Metal Hydrides for Hydrogen storage being discussed in Scientific American magazine back in the 1980's. I'm guessing that the technology was a dead end as it faded from being mentioned since then. Any one else know anything about this?
Have been waiting for this as this IMO is way better over batteries
why? batter tech and electric motors get better and better every year and already out perform all ICE vehicles in speed and cost of operation...why is it better?
Any combustion engine is bad, and will soon be eliminated from market.
@@bodhisfattva7462 because batteries are awful for the environment
@@bodhisfattva7462 making batteries harms the environment a lot..
@@bodhisfattva7462 and car battery are made of lithium which are very dangerous and limited material..
The H2 powerd ICE engine is like reinventing a horse carriage with latest composites and computers on board- its engine is more complex and components laden so making all the extra heavy components shall be more CO2 intensive and costly, when fuel cell technology can power all stationary industrial activity one doesn't need to go back to reinventing the wheel with hydrogen ICE engine
Thanks god I'm happy with my current toyota and now they can deliver astonishing progress! Merry Christmas!
The problem you didn't address is range. You said it's longer, but it's not, and not by a lot. Toyota's ICE hydrogen engine only gets about 20 miles per kg of hydrogen if you're really gentle on the throttle. The Fuel Cell Mirai gets 65-70mi/kg. Using the Mirai's storage tanks of 5.65kg, you'd get 113 miles of range in an ICE version. Hopefully, Toyota can increase efficiency to better that. In their race car that stored the hydrogen as a gas, they had to stop every 20 miles to refill because it was only getting about 4mi/kg racing. They finished the race but in last place. This year they stored it as cryogenic cooled liquid hydrogen to decrease fill times to a little over a minute and increase range. Still last place by far.
More parts to service for profit and the explosive thing plus no fuelling stations has this dead in the water. As more people see the simplicity and minimal costs for running EVs these less efficient and more costly modes of transport will fade away
Battery technology of pure electric car is improving rapidly. Toyota is 100% like Kodak that stick to photo film when digital photo already invented.
I love the idea of combustion engine being clean nothing sounds better than a combustion engine hopefully they can make it a good option soon not a big fan of all electric cars, they are fast but it’s just like a big golf cart the front of Tesla model 3 looks like a big golf cart and I’m big fan of Toyota and Lexus cars so would love to be able to get a clean 5.0 Toyota or Lexus in the near future I mean look at the lfa what a amazing sounding engine that is that’s music to my ears I have to have more of that so I’m crossing my fingers that Toyota pulls this technology off so I don’t have to by a big golf cart , I can always keep the old combustion car running like a 1994 Supra with a turbo 2jz Thanks!
The problem is how are they going to fit the amount of hydrogen needed to get the car/truck to go 300miles per fill up (which with this tech is about 97gallons). And of course price of hydrogen is pretty expensive. Roughly $18 a gallon.
Is the period button broken on your keyboard? Just teasing.
Love Toyota's and you can't go wrong with Japanese products
Very exciting news about the hydrogen combustion engine. With its range, power and durability, I much prefer this over a fully electric vehicle. I will not even buy an electric vehicle. I will wait until the technology for the hydrogen combustion engine makes this more practical and then I will look forward to buying this. I’m definitely a future customer.
This is great and all but the biggest problem here is storing a large quantity of hydrogen in one place for people to refuel. Accidents happens and hydrogen does not forgive.
Having an internal combustion engine upfront is like having an old friend along for the ride.
You are make a mistake. Hydrogen is a clean, it is a future.
@@АлександрК-р9ъ At this case, you do realize that the video talking about hydrogen as a fuel for ICE, not FCEV.
@@FirAntowhen hydrogen burns the exhaust is H20, water..
@@larrypaul2462 Yes. But the engine type is still internal combustion engine. Only the chemical process is different, resulting different output.
And the new friend rapes and pillages for conflict minerals! 🤪
Could we be expecting the next Prius to be a hydrogen/petrol hybrid? Now THAT I would want!
Very low probability. The next Prius will most likely be a BEV.
@@beatreuteler it already hydrogen battery?
@@UnitedPebbles Maybe LiFePo4?
why, exactly, would you want that?
what would be the point of having 2 ICEs in a car? kinda silly if you ask me.
Great Idea, would much rather have hydrogen because of easier and less complicated filling/charging etc.
Hydrogen vehicle are a way to go. Toyota is the preferred manufacturer...
The engine components particularly the armoured hydrogen fuel storage looks like the making of future space exploration technology, upgraded spaceship engines and engines with the power to drive machinery on other planets in inhospitable environments.
Very good point in fact, since hydrogen is abundant everywhere or can be extracted through electrolysis on any icy planet, making a hydrogen engine gives a generator with infinite fuel.
Hydrogen fuel cells are one of the only reasons we made it to the moon, with clean water and power.
This tech has been around so long it's all by design. I've been preaching that the future is Hydrogen for decades, and due to oil profits it was shelved and covered up on purpose for civilians. Military has been using it successfully for decades so has NASA... It's one of the unknown knowns.
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God decrease gold price....
@@subhajit1128 indeed ☑️
Perfect, now all they need to do is work out how to make green hydrogen 3 times more efficient to make to be the same efficiency as putting renewable electricity straight into a EV ;0)
Red hydrogen should be the solution for that. Japan has some work done on this end with the goal of making large amounts of hydrogen cheaply via a new nuclear reactor design, their research estimates put it a bit cheaper than gas in Japan if that's deployed in large scale. The reason is due to the jump in efficiency, since this uses thermolysis and not electrolysis to produce hydrogen which removes the roundtrip penalty for "electricity => hydrogen => electricity". Hydrogen would essentially be a byproduct of the nuclear plant.
Renewable like the the Rusian gas 😏👍👍
Hello europe
LCAs are subject to multiple levels of uncertainty, but an assessment published by the Journal of Cleaner Production in 2021 shatters the notion that electric cars are cleaner than conventional ones, much less “zero emission.” The LCA found that manufacturing, charging, operating, and disposing of electric vehicles produces more of every major category of pollutants than conventional cars. This includes:
an increase in fine particulate matter formation (26%), human carcinogenic (20%) and non-carcinogenic toxicity (61%), terrestrial ecotoxicity (31%), freshwater ecotoxicity (39%), and marine ecotoxicity (41%) relative to petrol vehicles.
Hydrogen Tundra or Tacoma? Im in. It's difficult to charge an EV with solar in the winter in Canada and the cold reduces your range quite a bit if you want to run the heater.
I for one will never buy an Electric vehicle. Now Hydrogen is another story, Toyota is proving that its working, if they can get the bugs worked out and make them safe to drive, I am all for it Would like to see Ford and GM invest in this technology and back away from EV's.
Sounds very promising ! I'd like to see major European car maker makes engine like this
Yea you can wait for that they sleep on hydrogen and focus on ev cars
They won't, too dickless for them to shift away from EV now.
Would love to see V8 Pickup trucks with these hpc engines.
you can get semis on hydrogen easily. many already use LPG and NGV
Cars need variety too. The final decision is made by the user.
The user has already chosen. New cars registration in central Europe for example is 17% BEV and it's a new technology. From history (I'm told) one can estimate that a technology then goes beyond 11% has finally made it. As far as statistics are saying, the Mirai and other H2 cars are at 0.0x%
EV :
1) because i dont like Noise
2) because I dont wanna addon a Blast if I survive an accident.
Hmm, I'm not so sure. There's a few things not touched on in the video. Filling a car with hydrogen whether it's ICE or FC will take the same time. Efficiency of H2 ICE will be much lower than H2 FC so range will be considerably lower. While a mechanical engine may be easier to work on and repair, it has many more moving parts to fail and also requires a far more complex transmission than the FC car. It'll also require lubricant oils and coolants that the FC car won't.
The only advantage that I can see that there might be is greener production of the engine itself. But with the lower efficiency even that may be offset before the end of the cars useful life.
Finally someone who sees the real issue
I was hearing something about a hydrogen fuel that is more like a jell. It wouldn't require high pressure and a lot less flammable. They get some things worked out and the availability is there. I'd go Hydrogen Hybrid Toyota all the way!
In Europe, we've gotten used to a 1000-1300 km range between refueling. As far as I know math, if you put this thing in a car, you'll get maybe a 50-60 km range on a conventional size tank. This thing would never stick with European buyers. Maybe it can be used in trucks, once a kg of H2 drops under 6EUR?
People need to stop expecting such ridiculous range. If you need to travel that far you should take the train instead, then hire a bev to drive when you get there.
People in Europe? Not at all. Also, do you think that 4-500km range of ev cars is better? 🤷
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I kind of agree with you but there are also the limits imposed by the infrastructure availability fo refuling. I think that in France, where I live, the existent gas stations could take maybe 30-50 percent trafic increase, after that, the waiting time would be horrendeus, as it already is for the electric cars. The real solution is less people having cars, driving less or having smaller, lighter cars, but that is not happening anytime soon. Nothing changes the fact that this hydrogen engine is just an excercize in technology and not a practicaly usable product.
@@thetruthh.8836 I guess that I shouldn't generalize when saying Europe but in the west, as in the east, I don't know many people who are fans of refueling often. In France, where I live, many people would have a problem charging their electric cars at home and there are often lines when buying conventional combustible fuels at gas stations. Even more people would have a problem buying one. If everybody would go electric the national production of electricity would have to go up at least 20 percent and the carbon emissions would decrease by maybe ten percent, I guess that there are ways of decreasing the carbon emissions by that amount with a lot less of lithium mining. I guess that the electric transition is applicable in countries that have a GDP per capita above 50000 EUR but this is still an exclusive club, especially on a planetary level. Either way, any car is better than a high power, 50km range hydrogen guzzler.
The issue with hydrogen is refill station network. How going to invest in building the refil station and hydrogen distribution logistics. That will be the main roadblock for hydrogen power vehicles. Overall efficiency is not as good as battery ev if hydrogen will be produce using electrolysis it still need to compress with high pressure that require energy also energy to transport to the distribution station that why it will be difficult for hydrogen vehicles to be wildly adopted.
Great idea if you can develop an extensive refilling infrastructure to support hydrogen vehicles. It's a chicken/egg problem, but you have to have both. BTW - plugin EVs are suitable for short local trips, but are totally unsuited for long-distance cross-country trips.
The hell you talking about. I just went with my family to Savannah from Miami and it took us 10 hours in a Kia EV6. We stopped to charge about 3 times, each charge was about 25 minutes to 100%. In my Honda Pilot, the same trip would be about 9 to 10 hours. EV cars are getting faster charging.
finally, someone who knows what he is talking about.
EV’s are a good idea, it will just take time to get there. The clean energy infrastructure, battery technology and charging will have to get better. But it’s coming along nicely. As someone else mentioned.
@@positoxav Good luck with that in -20 degree temps up north.
I'm very hopeful this will provide eco-friendly vehicles. My only concern at this time is safety during an accident. Working with fire departments I saw the concern connected with some accidents where the batteries when damaged leaked acid. Discharged/leaking acid can be dangerous to rescue personnel as well as providing other hazardous situations. Hydrogen containers when breached could provide challenging situations . . . but so can gas.
Very good point. At the end of the video, it clearly states that this technology is a very challenging goal as the safety of keeping hydrogen tanks is not an easy task. I would personally be scared driving woth one of those tanks underneath my seat
I saw a story out of Denver that was about additional training for dealing with an EV fire. The Fire Captain they spoke to said lithium ion batteries burn longer and hotter than gasoline. And that putting water on the fire adds to the toxicity of the fire from the smoke.
I feel like the cobalt in ev batteries oughta quality them as depending on non renewable resources too
Tesla is using lithium iron phosphate batteries with no cobalt.
@@FuzzyStarburst Having faith in the honesty and sincerity of capitalist corporations, especially when it comes to matters environmental, is just too naïve for my personal tastes, but you make your own lifestyle choices hon. Also, you *have* heard of markets containing more than just one brand, right?
What is the efficiency of this system? 10%? Seems like a really crazy way forward.
I wonder will it spontaneously combust into flames if its too cold or it gets flooded ?
What is the LCOE of these vs CNG engines currently under works vs EV's ? I think the farm to fork will be greater to produce the hydrogen?
Isn't LCOE a key performance factor of power plants? But then neither an H2 car nor a BEV are power plants?
You have to understand that LCOE is a very technical term that most ppl on youtube don't know
The bottom line is that BEV and Hydrogen powered cars can be powered from low carbon electricity. CNG still contains carbon which is released when you burn it. So while it's an improvement over oil it is not sufficient. I don't think it's worth developing and building infrastructure to support a whole different technology that cannot be part of the long term solution.
BEVs are somewhat heavy and more resource intensive to make, but extremely efficient. About 90% of the electricity you start with ends up driving the wheels. Making hydrogen is inefficient. By the time you get to turning the wheels they are about 1/3 the efficiency of a BEV. HFC is for people who are in too much of a hurry to charge their battery and don't mind paying 5x as much to power their car for the luxury of a fast fill up. Hydrogen ICE is another factor of 3 less efficient than HFC. It makes no sense for actually travelling anywhere. It would only be used by very rich people who like the sound of an engine and want to drive it for short distances just for fun. If you kept the tank the same size as a typical car you would only get about 50 miles of range with this engine.
2:47 Not sure if this is an old video, but Honda canceled the Clarity FCEV last year. Only the Mirai and Nexo are the two models sold in the world currently.
Nexo not anymore.
@@voelkela Really? I still see it for sale in the US.
Sounds very interesting I would’ve liked to see more and listen to more of what Toyota is going, There’s too many adverts I’ve had enough of it
I seriously hope they can pair these with stick shifts!
Monkee go vroom vroom
it's not that they can't build it as a stick shifter, more like, are there enough people who would buy a manual one? ^^
@@scream_follow bro trust me there are DEFINITELY a lot of people that would get one, that’s like half if not over half the car community’s dream.
@@jaidenmatlock302 never in my life will i ever buy a manual again. the sheer stupidness of constantly shifting gears from 1 to 2 and back again in heavy traffic(wich in belgium is everywhere) is frustrating as hell.
Manual gears ffs
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Why do u have so many subscribers?
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Note that extracting it, storing it and putting it into your car wastes a lot of energy and hydrogen overall. Hydrogen stations are also much more expensive to construct compared to Electric of Fuel stations
But it is a byproduct of many emission: synthetic and natural?
Hydrogen is the future. Worth to Invest today.
Honestly I'd love to see Toyota and Honda continue to develop these. With green hydrogen and fueling infrastructure i think it could make a significant difference. With that said Hydrogen ICEs need to find a way to cut Nitrogen oxide emissions admittedly but that might just be fixed with a certain catalyst and air to fuel ratio.
I would love to see a BMW i3 with HFC using the carbon fiber, reinforced plastic and aluminum like the original i3.
This is the technology im waiting for...
To the informed, there's no new technology in this video...and somewhat conveniently it doesn't mention hydrogens' most significant issue. The issue which makes it unscalable to any considerable extent and which has stopped hydrogen from being a reality instead of a dream!
@@dipladonic which is what ?
@@eliasl.6902 "which is what?"...hydrogen is scaleable, but the process of turning hydrocarbons into hydrogen is extremely inefficient and polluting, hence hydrocarbons are better deployed in their natural state. 'Green' hydrogen is the green energy panacea. Unfortunately, the technology to manufacture ubiquitous green hydrogen hasn't yet come to pass. In other words, it takes a huge amount of green, diffuse, intermittent energy (wind and solar) to make a tiny amount of green hydrogen gas.
The next step would be to fill your tank up with water (H2O). And replenish the atmosphere with oxygen. Keeping the Hydrogen for your fuel.
What about the overall efficiency of this IC version of hydrogen engine comparing to traditional ICE, or hybrid etc?
I heard, that the efficiency of traditional ICE and H2 ICE are similar.
Using a fuel cell and electric motor is a much more efficient way to convert H2 to power
Not very. If you take the same amount of fuel thats in your average truck and put the same amount of hydrogen gas in.....it would get about 50miles (driving conservatively). It would take roughly 97gallons of hydrogen gas to push a truck 300miles. Then add the price tag of $18 a gallon.
@@MrZauberwuerfel no H2 ICE isnt as efficient as Petrol. But you are correct Hydrogen fuel cell is the most efficient form. But then you lose your sound output.
For gearheads, it doesn't matter. It's the driving experience.
Every now and then whole car industry is getting shocked, if this continues it may die of electrocution 🤔🤔
Rest In Power cars
The electric cars have a lot less moving parts than ICE cars, while the hydrogen ICE cars even have more moving parts than ICE cars, people are always used the less moving parts on their vehicles.
Nothing is zero emission. You just move the emission away from the car. The fuel that runs the car be it hydrogen, electricity, is not produced resulting in zero emissions. The more practical question would be how efficient is it?
i would like to see them make a heavy duty truck to compete with the big 3.
Hyandai has began exporting hydrogen trucks to Europe but they are medium rigid. Toyota built a powertrain they installed in a Kenworth for proof of concept which is already going into full production
Perhaps safety is a critical issue considering the very explosive fuel in face of severe crashes and aging of supply tanks/pipes. The Hindenburg disaster is still there to remind us.
True! But the battery is not better. I remember the bloke, stuck in his Tesla on fire, without being able to open the doors...yak!
@@johnDukemaster batteries burn extremely rapidly as well. There aren't more than a few seconds to escape.
and, ummm... Gasoline isn't highly explosive?
@@b1bmsgt No. The fumes burns easily. But it is not like an american film.
Thats right. The whole time I was watching this vid a big balloon on fire kept floating into my mind.
Would like to be able to buy another Tundra with a V-8 Power! Something you can drive for half a day, pull over, fill up and keep on going.
That’s all going to take time to install the infrastructure for fueling as well. We can see EV’s aren’t there yet, and realistically won’t be, especially when it comes to non urban areas.
😂you mean drive half hour and pull over and fuel up? My 13 tundra gets 8.8 mpg , love my tundra anyways 😊
@@clearme2 You must be driving in low range!
@@davehudson4607 bought my dream tundra, came lifted and with 35” mud tires . It’s my fault hehe
I average 16 - 17 MPG
@@clearme2 LOL, Enjoy your Beast!
its going boom
Hydrogen may be highly flammable but its smaller molecule means it disperses quicker than LNG. The big problems with hydrogen as a combustion gas are that (a) the world cannot make green hydrogen in sufficient quantity to make this car truly clean and (b) burning hydrogen produces more NOX than a regular gasoline engine, so more intense scrubbing is required. So in effect, its less efficient, less clean and more expensive.
If water is “noxes” in your nomenclature….
I think if we bioengineer algae to make hydrogen gas and collect it...hope someone comes with this idea...or even bacteria would do
It actually a by product along with CO2 in some emission. So times a million equals many water molecules, could contribute to flooding and change weather pattern? But otherwise they escaped to space and could means a competitive landscape be carbon vs oxygen for hydrogen??
I would sure buy one, and this will be huge for sportcars
why? they are slower than EVs...is it just case they make noise? Just buy an EV and go vroom vroom when you step on the gas and embarrass anyone who isnt in a supercar next to you.
While I love Tesla, fully electric vehicles have no place in Europe due to weather. We could see as an example over last few weeks we had a little bit of frost here in the UK and the disasster happened. All of the sudden the range of all EVs dropped by 75% due to cold weather. With the range of 65 miles when fully charged, your chance of getting to work are very slim.
wish Toyota overcome all the hurdles and successfully come up with a safe and cost effective hydrogen engine. someone tell me if electricity can be produced cleanly without fossil fuels or nuclear power (not hundred percent pollution safe), then go for it.
yes would definitely buy this car if affordable
affordable? Nothing is affordable these days. You better look for better paid jobs.
@@stevemuzak8526 goes against Henry Ford's dream of affordable cars for the average person
@@wross5961 where are you going to charge it?
@@blee04524 Once we have our BEV (I hope soon) we will charge it mostly @ home.
I like how the fuel tank is "reinforced" for the hydrogen to "not escape" and not "blow up spectacularly".
research ford pinto and get back to me.... same thing can happen with gasoline
I am sure its fine when your not in a car accident. If you are in one watch Hydrogen formula cars how they catch fire. the fire is clear so you cant see it.
@@adamknight2623 i am not saying it cant. It just is a lot of hussle to just keep it in the car.
@@kawa1755 well my gasoline doesnt escape my car the way hydrogen tries to. Invisible fire doesnt sound too safe too. But it was just a comment about hiding issues in an otherwise optimistic presentation.
I am reminded of Engr. Daniel Dingle, a Filipino inventor who ran his car fueled by water H2O only, through his hydrogen reactor, to fuel the engine. His idea comes into fruition not in his native country but in other country. Thank you Japan.
It is not an idea, he is the one who discovered it. I guess japan will copy cat again. But don't worry we have another invention that can power using earths frequency and other celestial objects.
I work at TMMK love how innovative Toyota is! I know my job is always secure!
I just am curious and concerned about their tanks in case of accident. They are capable of causing more damage then the accident itself💥
Same concern exist for cng and petrol
@@blablablaclaclacla9895 I've never heard of petrol bomb before
The tanks are made of carbon fiber
@@jaredgalvin lol what? You haven’t heard of Molotov cocktails? Are you also trying to imply that a hydrogen tank will turn into a nuclear fusion hydrogen bomb😂
@@jaredgalvin you clearly don’t know how hydrogen bombs work
This may make no sense, but I love the sound and feel of a combustion engine.
Makes perfect sense. ICE cars breathe like we do, they have a rhythmic "heart beat" of the engine that you can feel, and are very mechanical like we are.
I'd like to see the crash tests with those fuel cells. One faulty cell during a crash would be a quick way to go.
Battery fires are worse, you can't put them out
@@aussiemark01 i think a hydrogen bomb is worse than a battery fire lol
You need to see the fuel tank test videos from Toyota. It takes 2 armor piercing bullets fired at the same spot to pierce the shell. And when it did the gas dissipates faster than any chance of it igniting/exploding
@@Wolf1Knite yeah I seen a few videos of them exploding on the road, it blew the guys trunk out but it wasn’t the fireball explosion I was expecting.
@@Wolf1Knite the problem is not the tank but the fuel line. If that gets damaged in an accident, WHOOSH!
They are creating more complex vehicles that requires more parts to maintain and repair instead of focusing on electric once which barely cost anything to maintain